Everything Wrong with HBO's The Last Of Us (Zombie Sins)
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- LISTEN, I LOVED this series, but no zombie media is free of sin so lets go voer the television adaptation of one of the biggest zombie gaming narrative experiences of all time and see whats right, wrong and WTF about HBO's The Last of Us!
0:00 Intro Disclaimer
0:43 Episode 1: When You're Lost in the Darkness
13:22 Episode 2: InFeCtEd
24:01 Episode 3: Long, Long Time
31:49 Episode 4: Please Hold to My Hand
38:53 Episode 5: Endure and Survive
50:25 Episode 6: Kin
58:50 Episode 7: Left Behind
1:05:36 Episode 8: When We Are in Need
1:16:13 Episode 9: Look For The Light
1:26:08 Final Sin Tally
1:26:37 Bloopers, Memes and Outtakes
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1. "There are barely zombies" yes because they said IN show they gather in cities and for the most part avoided areas where zombies showed up. It's 20 years in. If you want dumb survivors, watch Walking Dead lol
2. Yes I added a sin instead of minusing it on two occasions That's my bad. Spent weeks on this video but I tend to always miss a sin on the sins videos haha. Thank you for pointing that out though!
3. Don't come in here with that "wokeness" comment. You'd probably be gay too in a zombie apocalypse.
4. I like the show! Watch the first 30 seconds of the video before you think otherwise lol
5. Yes I realize Ellie in TLOU2 came from Wyoming NOT Wisconsin. I reused footage from my sins on TLOU2 and forgot about that fact. Still though. Ellie traveled 1k+ miles without issues, and that's thr total point of my argument lol
honestly never thought about #3. I'd probaby be gay outside of an apocalypse too, but probably more so during one.
For number for to be honest it’s pretty surprising considering you’re doing a 1h30 minutes video about all the things wrong with it 💀💀
For #3 I disagree, for humanity’s survival I feel like there would be less gay people due to procreation reasons
@@DanVerbatim nah man, sometimes the homies just hit different when there's zombies outside
@@zackxeno1019 let me reiterate
The soldier being alone at the encounter with Joel and Sara could be a pretty dire indication of how spread thin the National Guard would likely be at the time
Yeah but even in dire situation the national guard wouldn’t do that.
@@JetBlack2024 exactly.
@@JetBlack2024Wouldn’t do that or wouldn’t _want_ it to happen? We don’t know if that guy started off with a full squad or not…
@@purpleemerald5299 one of the vehicles he is in has 5 soldiers max and that is with a gunner that is a fireteam not a squad
@@icantcomeupwithagoodusername24 Fireteam, squad, platoon, however many there were, they’re gone now.
Joel's glass plan didn't fail cause Henry and Sam were good at sneaking, it failed because he turned to face Ellie while they were sleeping --> fell asleep on the side of his good ear (which he never does) --> didn't hear them at all
This is such a good detail omg
Good explanation!
Fr don't know how they missed it, ge told ellie like 3 minutes before
That’s a super real thing I have hearing lose in my left ear and if I sleep on my right side I can’t hear as well. I doubt it’s a bad as Joel’s would be but I definitely notice it.
Not to mention he actually fucking mentions that in the show.
Just noticed that at the beginning of the movie with the neighbors grandma, the dog noticed something was off, and in one scene later on, they use dogs to identify infected from non-infected.
In episode 4, the reason Sam and Henry were able to sneak up on Joel was the same reason it took Ellie saying his name a couple times for him to wake up. Joel is partially deaf in his right ear, caused by his suicide attempt
He tried to commit suicide? I didn't know that
@@0ptionless316there’s a whole convo between them in the show about him shooting him self
@@saige8962 i guess I missed that part
@@saige8962yeah thats bullshit what ep and whats the time stamp
@@hntripI didnt catch it either while watching, but I looked it up and it’s apparently episode 9, there’s a clip on TH-cam of him and Ellie talking about his suicide attempt
Glad I'm not the only one who prefers to see the chaos of outbreaks like in Train to Busan rather than just skipping to the post apocalypse, though I agree this show did it very well
train to busan/walking dead,resident evil is still traditional virus zombie , which last of us hit home with fungus, which is a real thing happening to insect
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@@lazyvoid7107congrats on the face reveal
@@sdqsdq6274 not the same by a mile at this point no different than rabies and your common zombie movie
Honestly the beginning when it all starts to go to crap is my favorite part of
Honestly I’m with Joel on his final decision just because rushing to operate on Elly instead of just doing some flipping testing first goes to show that they weren’t going to succeed
Never understood that. Why were they in such a rush
@@Flipitmixit Cuz they were desperate and shown a sliver of light, during desperate times people hold on to the light desperately without rational thinking, they charge towards it not considering it could be an open flame which will burn them alive. Also as probably the only doctors within the group there’s no peer review and no one else who can question their knowledge, and over time they grow arrogant thinking they can’t be wrong, thus rushing to conclusions without proper assessment of all options.
@@KevenPirritano There are no more immune neither in the series nor in the game, that's just a misconception from the recordings.
@@KevenPirritano What are you on about? The game never states there are more infected, as far as we, the player, are concerned, Ellie is the only one. That's why it's so important for Ellie to make it halfway across the country. The head surgeon literally says "Her immunity is like nothing we've ever seen"
The Fireflies are already evil. Why not breed Ellie since she's the only immune person they had found. See if her kids are immune in 5-7 years and you have multiple guniea pigs. They fail with Ellie and they have no second chance.
Not only is the lawnmower a waste of gasoline, a well-maintained lawn is a beacon saying "hey there's people with supplies here! Come and get it!"
Fair point, they could mow their lawn the old fashion way with a roller mower and a lawn mower probably makes a bunch of unwanted noise, even tho there probably ain’t many infected out those ways
@@bless_M Still, having the only maintained lawn in town might as well be a billboard saying "RAIDERS SHOP HERE"
Hank wanted to live, not survive. He did other things which wouldn't have enhanced his survivability, but setting the table for dinner, indulging in nice food, picking up hobbies etc. meant that his psyche wasn't destroyed in all them years.
It was a fully-fenced secure compound with clear warnings that trespassers would be shot, traps, clean roads.. was idyllic. The grass wouldn't have made a difference because had anyone seen the base then they'd deduce it was inhabited and protected.
There is a reason why sam was looking out the window because in the game its explained that there is some brain activity left and that they are totally aware so he might be holding back because he knows ellie is there
No
@@dashingdavid297 "no" what? No to having more then one braincell? Cause that's what it seems like to me. And the actual comment is factually right so you'd have to only have a single braincell to refute that.
@@WhyDoIDoThings no
@@dashingdavid297"no" 🤓
@@WhyDoIDoThingsLOL plz
The infection already taking over Tess is the reason why she didn’t resist the ‘kiss’ with the infected. It had already begun taking control of her.
Or, or, she's in shock for seeing a relative. Wild theory but why else would she look so disgusted?
The infection probably wouldn't have spread that quick, and instead she was only staying still because if she moved to much the infected would have pounced and knocked the lighter out of her hands. You could be right, but it's more probable that it was just Tess being smart.
She failed. She didn't stop any zombie they all ran past her
@@layslayer lmao, in the video he even explained they spent like an hour traveling trough blocked paths and etc when she was bit in the neck and its 5-15min turning point. She SHOULD'VE died long before even going inside the building, not to mention she didn't show any symptoms.... Did you watch the video????
@ChoJun Ok, she could have been fully infected, but I don't think she would still be able to light the lighter if it's as bad as you make it sound. Yes I watched the video. Sorry for having my own interpretation.
An undead frost giant throwing Ellie against a wall would have taken this show to 10/10.
You mean a bloater? 😏 Lol!
Parallel HBO’s universes…
She killed that gaint in season 8
A rat king can do it on season 2
@@pemocity1450 this is a reference to game of thrones where bella ramsey also had a role
I feel like the Kiss of Death moment was supposed to pose a question of just how intelligent the cordyceps hive mind was, in that it was capable of inviting a doomed, seemingly surrendering individual, rather than just tearing them apart... But that was never further explored since we never see anyone not actively fighting back against the infection again, which I think was for the worse
It is amazing that this whole series with 9 episodes each lasting up to an hour and 20 minutes still has less zombies sins than some movies.
Cuz they are in the cities and Joel and ellie avoided the cities
The comment you're replying to isn't talking about zombies, but the sin counter of these videos. @@danielonyt716
Brain dead comment
I doubt any smart person would actively travel in cities unless they NEEDED to because that’s where most zombies are
The whole existence of this so-called "TV series" is a great sin against the human race. All those responsible for its production must be judged.
What does it for me is the that their first idea wasn't to draw some fluids, run tests, figure out and see how the fungus reacts to her and reverse engineer a cure but rather to cut her open and see what they could do. It's even dumber when you realize she's the first immune they've had, possibly the only one they'll get for the foreseeable future and the first response is "We think she developed immunity from her mother being infected with her and we also think she has hormones that make the fungus think she's already turned ergo let's cut her open and find out."
Ellie isnt immune She is Infected. She Infected with a different cordyceps.
@@DarkRa but so-called "people" are defending a bunch of psychotic homicidal terrorists who wanted to dissect a young girl because .... Look, that's what the Master said, okay?!
@@DarkRa She is immune to the disease, like we are when taking a vaccine, for example. Immune as in our immunological system has a way of fighting against and overcoming the pathogen.
@@giovanecaputo3540 DUDE She already infected so no she not immune. It already in her head and spine .
@@DarkRawell she would still be immune to the ophiocordyceps that everyone else is infected by…
One thing I want to say about the "Fire Fly/ Fed" alliance over Ellie is that it seemed obvious to me that the Fire Flies were going to use the cure to grow their own position and power not to mass produce for the masses. Otherwise they would give Ellie to the Feds as they are the only group with both the means, know how, and resources to actually pull such an endeavor off.
I'm pretty sure that's the same reason Marlene has Ellie keep her immunity secret - she probably thought Joel might take ellie and give her to phedra in order exchange for whatever he wants.
Idk with how kill on sight feds are I feel they wouldn’t accept the info of her being immune, they would just suspect an extra long incubation period
Look at the Washington Wolves They were terrible and worst then the government. They wanted to use Ellie to experiment because she was infected with cordyceps not the zombie cordyceps tho .
Wait a minute this is a wildly good point!
I thought they explained that Fedra would use it to continue to control people. Also Fedra were losing a lot of territory around this time so... why give them the cure when they can't even keep control?
"Instead of the birds in the bees it's the murder in the second degrees."
Lol. I love that.
Found it weird that Joel removed the broken baseball bat from his wound. Like, its pretty basic first aid knowledge not to remove the knife/item youve been stabbed with because it can keep you from bleeding out.
Joel is VERY forgetful
It’s Joel he has plot armour
@@saige8962 had plot armor lmfaooooo
Infection from a dirty azz club, also he got stabbed in the gut, no vital organs or major arteries/veins there.
A missed -1 sin, they used a real giraffe for the giraffe scene. 10/10 fun fact about the show for me now 😂
And then they CGIed the fuck out of the scene and ruined it +1 sin
I'm pretty sure that tess not moving while being kissed is because of the fungus taking hold of her movements, as her trouble with the lighter. With her last movement that she could actually make being the lighter
It's so the runners wouldn't get aggressive and knock the lighter out of her hands.
This was actually confirmed by the directors in the podcast. Tess was bitten in the neck, meaning she had very little time. Craig said that the fungus was already controlling her brain and that the lighter was her one last ounce of humanity.
she could of just use the sparks of the flint and steel instead of needing to lit the wick too
@pushyrummble8625 as flammable as that would've been, absolutely. The vapor coming off of it at ground level should've touched off at the slightest spark.
@@d3ltaohniner261 True, especially if it's acetone, but, I can see why she wouldn't be allowed to do that with the fungus controlling her brain and all.
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Reason for the infected not instantly attacking is because they are a “Stalker” (shown by the fungal growth on their head) so they will not blindly attack
Furthermore stalkers are between clickers and runners, theyre somwehat acclimated nd mellowed out right in the sweet spot of mental function and keeping some of their self preservation while having lesser echo location so they "stalk" and surprise attack instead of bum rushing
I love how in the hospital scene, the show actually focuses on the brutality of Joel. The game just feels like another area, but here you actually feel the weight of what he's doing
I'd argue that the game does a great job of taking it further. Your final fight is against fellow uninfected. When Joel gets to the operating room, you can choose to kill just the doctor that lunged at you or all three. That's my favorite question to ask people that have played the game.
To be honest, Joel removing the baseball bat from him should have been a sin because that caused him to bleed out more . If you have a object in you, it's better for you to keep it in so you don't lose any blood. That's why it's smarter to keep it in then bleed out like he was in the show.
Don't forget how in the world did he not get sepsis especially in a dirty rusted house
In the game he didn’t have a choice with this injury they could have been smarter with it in the show
@@My_NeighbourEllie got him antibiotics from the creepy church cult
That only applies if you living in a world where you have an option to get to professional health care where it can be removed surgically. Joel doesn't have that luxury. It needs to be removed as soon as possible to prevent any infection.
@@My_Neighbour WTF are you talking about? SEPSIS = INFECTION. HE HAD TO TAKE PENICILIN HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm amazed that they were able to fit as much as they did in only 9 episodes
A part of me is excited for the rat king in season 2, but I am mostly not excited for our favorite community punching bag.
@@P.H691 Whoever the actor of Abby will probably lock themselves at home and never go on twitter to avoid all the death threats sent to them.
@@P.H691 The Last of US has one game. I do not formally recognize the existence of any other The Last of Us games. 🗿
@@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation All kidding aside, the story of Part 2 is actually pretty good. It just clashes a lot with the gameplay shown.
@@P.H691 I just don't want to see any more flapjack boobs.
The one note about the school teaching geography only potentially made sense to me because she was training to work as a soldier. I think maybe then it could make sense depending on how spread out they were.
With the infected slowly approaching Tess, the show runner explained that the infected react with the intent of spreading the fungus. If their target acts hostile or attempts to flee, it will use more force to transmit (running and tackling). If the target isn’t resistant, it will react more calmly (walking and…kissing I guess?). But either way, it will accomplish its goal or die trying
Tess wasn’t the only one that survived the explosion. At the very least, Robert survived it as well. Robert later gets killed by the fireflies.
Was looking for this comment.
Was robert there during the explosion?
@@Jan-su1ot the camera is literally on Robert right before the explosion goes off next to him and Tess lol it’s right after Tess’s comment of drinking until her face stops hurting. She says she’s not gonna send Joel after him and asks “so are we good?”. Rob says yes. That’s when the bomb goes off.
i'm a little surprised they don't have more "armor" on in the 20 years that past even if its just simple scrap or magazines taped to the arms just to make it a little safer when dealing with infected
I never understood that in zombie movies. First time I saw it was in the walking dead. The riot gear. Like hell you dont have to wear to whole set but the Helmet and arm guards could do nicely.
@@whitewolf9159 i'm not saying you need to go out in EOD armor but something simple like you said a helmet, arm and leg guards
Everything related to zombies ever. Everyone runs around in bikinis when the enemy is trying to bite you
To be fair, a lot of the infected are dead at this point. I can see people being a bit more careless.
@@alexross1997 buddy it doesn’t matter. The infected still out number the uninfected thousands to one.
The menstrual cup scene was amazing. People always overlook that menstruation will be an issue for about half the surviving population and menstrual cups would be the smartest and safest way. I'm so glad that the show addressed that
i thought it was kinda weird and unnecessary. they definitely dragged it more than they should've imo, i was just uncomfortable watching it
@@omardontkno4947 why, it was pretty short and a necessary issue to address. I never understood why guys are so weird about periods
@@omardontkno4947 "especially with someone that's supposed to be a minor" ????????????? Periods aren't inappropriate, you sound really weird
The show is about a TEENAGER venturing through a zombie apocalypse. An orphan, with a father figure. That's what it is about, and with her, again, being a TEENAGER, it makes sense that puberty would come up at some point during the show.
The entire menstrual cup scene is about 30 seconds and was not dragged out at all and it was not weird. You're weird.
@@omardontkno4947 bruh are you 12?
@@feliciaroyers1646 It's a show that is supposedly based on a video game about two survivors of a zombie like apocalypse, it was in no way "a necessary issue to address". In no apocalyptic movie/show does the viewer; male or female think in the front of their minds "oh man I wish they covered in detail how women dealt with periods, that would really take this show up to a 10/10".
Stitching is to prevent scars and foreign matter from entering larger wounds. Unless she went in and sewed up the arteries, reconected the walls of his organs and sanatized the whole area, all she did was gaurantee internal bleeding. Especially without a drip tube to allow for blood puss etc to flow out.
Honestly it would have been better to just allow the wound to stay open and monitor for infection
Given how most video game adaptations are unimpressive or terrible, this show was an incredible breath of fresh air. It’s clear the people who made this show did their homework and actually looked at the source material. Most video game movies/television shows are made by people who don’t play video games and/or know nothing about video games.
It's cause 2 writers. And one of them was the original writer lmao
Neil Druckmann wrote the game that’s why it’s so close because he actually loves the source material unlike others who want to put their own spin on it. I hope production companies take note and involve the video game team for adaptations going forward!
The beauty of one of the writers for the show also being the one that created the source material plus the other write was a huge fan ahead of time
From here on out, this adaptation sets an example of how just being true to the lore of the game makes the adaptation loved by the audience, which are the fans of the game in the first place. That's why Henry went tf out from the witcher series as he himself know that the eitcher's adaptation is just a copycat spinoff from the game.
Having Neil Druckmann is why. He's the father of TLOU 😂
The DLC for the first game that showed Ellie getting infected did the arcade screen right. The games where not working Ellie and Riley just imagined playing the game. It was much better and more touching with the whole innocent of youth and trying to experience a world they never would.
I agree that the game executed the emotions of scene better, but I don't really know how they could pull that off the exact way for the show. TV is a much more passive medium than VGs are.
@@J-manli yeah though in the game we didn't see anything other then Ellie's face as Riley told her what was going on.
rhymes like dimes.
@@J-manli they could have not focused an entire episode on it
@@AmandaabnamA On the Riley stuff? there was plenty of content for an episode.
For those who didn't know the reason why the deaf boy didn't attack ellie was because he was turned away from her and deaf so he couldn't hear her move to attack her.
It's also why nug sets him off
18:20 I wanna know why, after confirming that stepping on fungi would 'wake' the infected, did Joel crush it with his gun to make sure they were safe. If it turned out it wasn't dry and dead they would've been screwed immediately!
I think Bill was running his generator off natural gas as he was shown diverting natural gas valves in the prepping montage and to my knowledge natural gas doesn't have a shelf life like normal gasoline so at least it wouldn't go bad, Not sure how much more realism this adds in terms of him not running out though because i cant imagine smaller new england towns would have that much in storage . Although Bill may have converted his system to propane when the natural gas supply ran out and started scavenging propane tanks from the surrounding towns.
As it was cut for most to all infrastructure, and you are correct it does not deteriorate, it would have lasted him as long as he needed
He ran on that ay juice lol
Propane tanks themselves have an expiration from my understanding of said tanks
I work in oil and gas and I can tell you that is still laughable. Pipes get corroded, valves need replacing, if not monitored and you hit a particularly hot spot of gas and no one is there to vent pressure you can cause explosions. It is impossible for one man to run an entire natural gas plant solo (for extend periods of time). Put it this way, those valves are >300lbs each. No fecking way an overweight prepper is solo lifting the valve and some how putting in the bolts at the same time. It's physically impossible. Those pipes need to be 10k rated (10,000 KPA) and those are also 300 lbs, it takes three people to move a pipe and they don't keep may spares, one breaks they just order a new one and it's there in less than 24 hours. Regradless of whether or no the generator is running on natural gas there is no way at all he would have power still past a year
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 forgive me if I’m wrong but I seriously doubt someone with your username is even an adult never mind actually working in this industry
I gotta say. That speech after Joel's scar hit pretty close to home man. This'll get lost to comments but thank you. I've been in some very dark places and hearing that made me think about what I've tried and how much I would've lost now if I did it. Again. Thank you.
They say in your final moments before doing it everyone changes there mind and regret it, look up the video of the man who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived
@AnthonyCarmine hate to say that's bit true. It took a very long time before I regretted it. Thankfully I have a very sturdy ribcage
A friend of mine hung himself just 2 weeks ago, I wish he spoke to me or if i had been better i could have prevented it.
I've heard that in the game, there's journals you can find that explain that the fireflys have tried the procedure before and failed on other immune people
Incorrect. Ellie is the only known immune person in the franchise. No other immune people have ever been confirmed or referenced to (other than that moment when Joel lies to Ellie and tells her there's an entire group of immune survivors). You're talking about a misconception about one of the tapes found at the university. It states that "in past cases", but it was referring to past cases of infected- not immune; followed by "The girl's infection is like nothing I've ever seen. The cause of her immunity is uncertain." in the same recording.
For episode 5 i think the reason joel could hit so many shots perfectly is because he was actually in the army before the apocalypse
He was never in the army LOOOOL
Is because he has 20 years of experience
I feel like Ellie’s “Cure” wouldn’t honestly change a thing about the world and the world they live in. It’s not like the Infected don’t go out of their way to attack her, we see that multiple times that regardless that she’s immune, they still go for her. With the amount of infected there are, the only thing they need to worry about is just not being Torn apart which Marlene even tells Joel will happen to her. The thought of a Vaccine is a great thought but it’s meaningless when the best it gives is False hope
That's incorrect. It is already established that most infected die after a month or so. Only a small proportion of them continue to evolver to become clickers and possibly bloaters. Therefore the cordyceps need a constant supply of infected humans to maintain their population. If a vaccine can be created and mass manufactured and disseminated (a gargantuan task in any scenario), then without new infected, the infected population would slowly dwindle, and potentially collapse after a few months. It just becomes a matter of attrition. Right now, with new people able to be infected growing their numbers, the attrition works against humans.
Not 100% true. Even if the infected still attack at least they wouldn't be 1 bite and done
Another thing I can't wrap my head around. Why would you do a deadly operation on the sole immune "specimen". Normally, they would at the very least try gathering samples in a non-intrusive, nondeadly way. Tissue samples, blood samples, urine, and anything that can be analyzed while leaving the source of the sample alive, kicking, and able to provide more samples. I feel it would be doubly true in this case, as they wouldn't have a second specimen to analyze after that.
Would I be in the same shoes as Joel, I'd probably end up doing the same thing, if not for fatherly instincts, at the very least for not wanting to "sacrifice" the sole freakin' immune person known.
But yeah, your point is good too. It's very unlikely a cure would bring any infected back to humanity, as pretty much everything is replaced by fungoid tissue, meaning that the actual threat to people's life is not solved. Unless they find a way to eradicate every infected, their numbers still mean that the world can't really recover, immunity to infection or not... Scientists' time would have been better spent finding a good fungicide than a vaccine in this case.
@@yochitoranaga The fireflies are already evil. Why didn't they force breed Ellie for more lab rats?
@@yochitoranaga Personally just think it's written to be sad. It wasn't as deep when the game came out as it is now yknow. They didn't know it was gonna be one of "those" games that will be talked about in game history until the end of time. I always took it as we're supposed to assume they would have been successful if they went through with it. Regardless of real world logic. Plus, real world logic takes the moral wrestling match out of it which is the whole reason for it being written that way. We're supposed to be like "holy crap which is better?" Being like "Here's a list of reasons the fireflies wouldn't have been successful anyway" just kinda neuters the struggle
The Fireflies method of trying to make a cure reminds me of The Girl With all The Gifts, how scientists were using children born with a fungal infection to try and make the same type of cure against the infected, but the doctors could only speculate and never found a concrete method to actually use it and they had dozens of subjects that they butchered and failed at, the same thing could have happened to Ellie, they screw up playing at a cure and they essentially just kill someone without gaining anything.
Very true but I feel, given the circumstance, it would be a worthy sacrifice, even if it does fail. Because there’s a chance it’ll succeed. Not at finding a cure but to find a kind of vaccine. A way for the body to fight or even live alongside the infection, like what’s happening with Ellie.
@@justinbayless8284 A vaccine would make sense for the people still alive. A cure on the other hand, there's no way you're turning one of those things back into a human being... I've always hated the fact that they throw around the word, "Cure" when everyone knows damn well they are actually talking about a vaccine. A vaccine is to prevent, a cure is to heal. A cure would be 100% useless. A vaccine on the other hand, would give the remaining people who ARE alive, a really good chance.
@@justinbayless8284 Slim chance of success with minimal means of giving the vaccine out to the few survivors left, and The Fireflies proved they’re fucking terrible at having their shit together and surviving. Fours times in the show they get wiped out to the man by a few people, and show they can’t survive as well a a couple of people can.
That’s not a hopeful band of survivors, that’s a gang of idiots that got lucky they were stopped before they murdered the one and only immune human in TWENTY years of infection with shit odds of a vaccine being made. My ration cards would be on the Fireflies being smoked with the only viable vaccines being destroyed by bandits or infected rampaging around, and nobody would bother to check for the data.
@@justinbayless8284 Not really, they had no idea what the fuck they were doing and likely didn't have the ability to fully utilize the things needed to even try
@@gremlininblue2601 Exactly. They didn't know how or why Ellie was immune, so maybe some blood tests for a start would have been a better idea. Butchering the only known person to have immunity should be the last, not the first thing to do.
Imagine for example if they cut her up, took the fungus out, only to realize it is just like the other, and Ellie's immunity must have come from some specific antibodies she would not be able to produce anymore... because she's dead. XD
And Marlene trying to convince Joel by saying "she would've wanted it" was just showing her hypocrisy and uncertainty on the topic. Because if Marlene was so sure Ellie would be happy and compliant to give her life, why hasn't she asked her? You've waited so long for her to come, why not wait a few more hours and get her consent?
I think the Biggest sin of all, is the Firefly lady that tasked the mission was already in Colorado waiting for them. Like you could have escorted her this whole time, with from my body count at the hospital with a small army that can’t even kill one guy. Even then still handed her off to a guy that nearly dies and starts to love the girl like she’s his own.
The initial task was for Joel and Tess to escort Ellie to the building we see Tess die in. Considering Marlene was injured during the gunfight and she was wanted by the military it made more sense to task two smugglers she worked with in the past to get Ellie to the firefly group. Obviously nobody could've anticipated what would happen to that group or predict that a reasonably small trek would turn into a cross country journey that would take months.
Despite the fact that Ellie's mom was under attack, her labor seemed pretty easy. She only pushed once and Ellie was out.
Maybe Ellie was already prairie-dogging it?...🤔
the experience of giving birth is all personal. while some will birth a child in less than 20 mins, some will struggle w it for a whole twenty four hours. and personally i have encountered both situations in my life
I figured there would be sin's for the weirdly placed bite marks on ellie, riley and anna. I get that the struggle scenes with the sprinters are chaotic, but if you notice, none of the infected get anywhere near where theyre ultimately bitten.
Also, something to keep in mind. Earlier in this episode you make note of the bite chart in the background of the Fedra Building where the little boy was killed, how it shows you the infection rate is dependent on where you were bit, right? Face/head is 5-15 minutes. Arm, hand, torso 5-12 hours, and the legs being 12-24 hours.
Anna was bitten on the thigh in her fight with the infected, so when you take into account the info-graphic, there probably wasn't enough time for Ellie to become exposed to the fungus through the Umbilical Cord the way everyone thinks. However, it is how she became infected. Anna killed the sprinter with the switchblade first, then immediately used it to cut Ellie's umbilical cord after finding the bite. She didnt sterilize the blade, so, I'd say she probably got infected that way.
Aren't they biting where major arteries are? Femoral, radian and brachial
I think the time table is for how long it takes to reach and control the brain, so it's possible enough infection went up her legs and into her abdomen before the cord was cut
Well, Anna used the same knife to cut Ellie's cord as she used on the zombie... So guessing plenty of bio hazard introduced that way too 🤣
Just got to say I would have categorized the bite to Tess's "neck" as a shoulder bite giving her 2-8 hours instead of 5-15 minutes
One thing ive always found odd in TLOU, are the fireflies, not just one thing they do but, their entire group. Theyre shown in the show and the game to actively attack and provoke save zones, to be essentially making things up as they go in terms of their plans regarding researching the infection, all with a barely existing leadership role. Its amazing they lasted as long as they had, but it really makes me question just how likely they would be at not only making, but testing, further testing and distributing a vaccine that they dont even know is plausible to work or exist. Like, had they decided to work with what remained of the government, CDC and military rather than putting what remains of the US population at risk with their attacks and destabilization, they probably would have been far more successful in not only finding out why Ellie was immune, but also in attempting to recreate her immunity in other test subjects, to then figure out a proper vaccine or even just a counter measure/suppressant using the mutated strain of the fungus (think the virus suppressant Antizin from Dying Light)
Well the original game, which was inspired by Children of Men, was littered with clues pointing out that the Fireflies were just a terrorist organization more concerned with destabilizing an existing power structure so they could fill the role, not unlike the Fishes. The cure, like the child/woman in Children of Men, was just a means to an end for them.
Well, is also funny how in the second game they say that they have another bases and that every firefly is supposed to go there.
Also they say that abbys dad is the only doctor able to saved everyone but in the end they hint that they have even more doctors and stuff.
So yeah, i say fireflys are just dumb xd
For episode 3 i do think Bill was being stupid to go out into the street but not for drama for the show but because he loved Frank and was trying to draw the gunfire away from the house to keep him safe. As it does show when Frank is heading to get his gun some shots go thrpugh the house so i think Bill was shooting from cover, saw them hitting the house and decided to draw the fire away to protect Frank. Dumb but for love
To me, I think this was really a realistic tactic for a Fudd to be operating. The infection started in 2003. People like Travis Haley nd TH-cam videos about shooting or tactics wasn't out until like 2008 I believe.
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>fudd
bill was a survivalist
a fudd sure as hell isnt a survivalist lol
fudds still put their trust in government, and bill was the exact opposite of that
@@contor7 Bill was a gun-fudd, he runs out in the open with a bolt action lol
the creator said in an interview the infected don’t have to spread the infection violently if you’re not trying to stop them from spreading it. since tess wasn’t fighting back the infected just calmly spread the fungus to her through her mouth. as for why tess didn’t fight back my theories are either she was in shock or trying to stay calm to not get attacked or the cordyceps was already taking hold of her brain and limiting her movement.
Honestly thought she was in shock, which given the situation...very appropriate. The last of us is relatively realistic especially when it comes to emotions and considering they don't know, but kind of fear that you are aware the entire time infected...I wouldn't have thought bad and just ran.
31:23 I kinda like that Poppa Joel didn't allow 14 year old Ellie to have a gun. At the beginning of the story he subconsciously viewed her as Sarah so I liked the plot device that he was trying to save her innocence even in a crazy world.
I also love the conversation they had both in game and in the show about giving her the gun and keeping themselves safe with it. Super responsible dad move even though their situation was fucked
Another small sin I`d say is the fact that Ellie survived the bite in the first place. Immunity to the fungus is one thing, but a human/animal bite can kill you via blood infection anyway, since mouths are known to contain many forms bacteria. Especially when it goes deeper than the first layers of skin.
Don't get me wrong, I like the outcome of her being alive, but it`s one small thing that I think didn't get addressed XD
Thats actually adressed by cordyceps having to have anti microbial properties just to keep the infected alive. Theyre immaciated people with with open wounds and later forms having open skulls if the fungus wasnt protecting againsy infection theyd all be dead wlas soon as they developed into stalkers
Tess is freaked out by the infected in that pathway because it wasn’t there the last time she came. Meaning there’s a hole in the QZ somewhere where infected can get through. Honestly kind of genius foreshadowing for a certain other QZ and maybe even a hint that the Boston QZ isn’t long for this world.
The opening of episode two really captured the severity of the situation and was one of the best scenes of the whole show.
How could not add the Dina moment in episode 6. and not take out a sin in episode 9 for having Ashley Johnson being Anna, Ellie's mother? that casting is very poetic.
Dude that montage at the end had me dying, every single one of those references is just gold and shows the breadth of your knowledge and comedic talent. Thank you so much for this
8:25 the explosion doesn't kill everyone, they're all found dead later in the apartment building where Joel and Tess find Marlene and Ellie
9:13 Jackson is in Wyoming, not Wisconsin
I feel like the kiss of death in ep2 was the fungus trying to connect with Tess as she was already infected, not speed up the process. The fungus sensed she was already infected so treated her like she already turned.
Much respect for the Metalocalypse riff. Bet 99% of people missed it.. good video sir. Keep it up.
At 46:58 I love how when wow says just it’s perfectly timed to Tommy’s voice actor getting killed😂
Tess wasn’t the only one to survive from that explosion in the first episode though: Robert survived as well and even managed to escape. The only ones who were killed were just the guys standing close to the wall.
Cool video tho
I can't stop thinking about the fact that canonically the Cordyceps outbreak happened under George W. Bush 💀
And all these banks are collapsing under the Biden administration. So what.
Makes sense, yea lol
@@ShyOff How?
Cordyceps don't melt steel beams
In the games it happened during Obama
Bill standing out in the middle of the street silhouetting himself against the backdrop of a fire is the most unbelievable thing
That panel in the beginning of the first episode is still my favorite scene in the show. That’s not to talk bad about any other part, no. That’s to say that scene is so well done and conveys the point so well it just stands high competitively.
A few things, first Bill going out into the street is actually a good move. His main goal is to protect Frank so he goes out to draw the raiders fire. Makes sense tactically given Bill’s goals and is also super sweet character building showing how munch Bill loves Frank. Second, Bill generates power using natural gas (see the scene where he breaks into a natural gas power plant) and natural gas has an indefinite shelf life.
Doesn’t work if you’re dead.
He had all types of traps in the entrance you would think being a survivalist he would have had a better plan for a scenario like that, that doesn't involve running out in the middle of the street.
Alright that natural gas comment is just foolish. Sure the gas has no shelf life but the pipes and valves fecking do. Look at the buildings around them thise are corroded to shit what the feck do you think will happen to the pipes? Before you dare say he replaced them solo I'll tell you there are 3 reasons why that is nonsense.
1) Good fecking luck finding them, they don't stock that many spares they usually order them in if needed for preplanned maintenance
2) Even if you did they weight over 300lbs each you're seriously saying an aging overweight prepper can solo lift 300lbs while screwing on the union?
3) Gas wells can hit hot spots over time. When this happens you need someone in the field to vent the pressure out the flare stack or else well boom.
Source: I've worked in Oil and Gas I did this stuff for a living up in Canada
To suggest one out of shape over weight 40 year old can run/maintain an entire gas plant, the pipelines, and the wells for beyond a few months is ridiculous.
Okay, so why doesn't Bill tell Frank to gtfo while he is *IN THE LINE OF FUCKING FIRE!*
There is not a damn thing tactical about standing in the middle of the street
And I’m pretty sure the creepy guy had a mountain of meat on his plate he was eating, while others had like a soup with 2/3 chunks of meat
If I’m not mistaken, the generator Bill has runs on natural gas (how he got his stove going), so he wouldn’t be using watered down gas 10-20 years later if he tapped into a gas line. If he was truly a “prepper”, he’d have that and not one that goes off gasoline.
I have a Generac installed for our house that kicks on automatically when the power goes out (so nothing is interrupted/flickers). It runs off of natural gas - only thing we do is check the oil regularly and make sure we have parts on hand in case of anything going awry. We were able to run it a week straight during the ice storm a couple years ago without ever worrying about gas … powered the whole house, allowed us to cook, stay warm, run hot showers, and house our neighbors and their daily needs. Definitely the way to go for such things. I’ll never go back to a gasoline generator.
So, thought I’d put that out there, because not a lot of people know that there are generators (like ones hospitals use) that are big and run off a natural source that one doesn’t have to scour all over for when it comes to residential use. Considering Bill’s stove was already tapped into a gas line (as we saw with the flame on the stove), it only makes sense a Generac equivalent is what he has setup to power everything that long. Definitely feasible as long as one maintains the unit.
15:55 elle: *twitches* joel: it's machine gun time
With Bill going outside I want to chalk that up to training failure. He's so used to infected that his instinct is they cant get him at distance. Like watching a professional shooter shoot once then drop their mag as part of a speed event.
I saw it as him being the paranoid pepper type. The ones we jokingly call "meal team six"
He has the skills but has never fired a gun at anything but infected or target practice, so when a real situation happened he made some panicked adrenalin mistakes.
@TinyTyranitar possible. I don't know how much they changed on his background but in the games he had encountered hunters and bandits all over the road on his scavenging runs.
Honestly if they let Joel and Ellie talk before the operation, I think Ellie would’ve have help him comes to terms with her going through the operation. But I wouldn’t think a vaccine would even work, base on the fact that in the first episode they state you couldn’t make a vaccine for this infection.
These people aren't fungal experts.
Yeah, ellie already being unconscious in the game when they find the fireflies was better
They said that because we have no way to prevent it since we have no way of testing it. But Ellie was that one “miracle” so they now know something in her is preventing the fungus from spreading. Just need to figure out how how to extract it and mass produce it. No guarantee it would work though
Because vaccines are for viruses not fungus. It's also annoying how so many shows and movies talk about vaccines as a cure when they're preventative only. Once you get something it's to late.
@@BuddhaAtheist29 Technically not impossible, just... really fucking hard. And not realistic by the point of the show.
When you stated saying “okay here’s my biggest issue with this episode” on the frame of frank and bill kissing I got scared for a sec lmao
Ya missed one, wheat flour couldn't have been a vector as nobody eats raw all purpose flour. It would require them to be undercooked - which is possible on a tiny scale - but it's unlikely the spores could survive anything past a high fever, or 105°F. The recipes for baking biscuits or cookies or frying pancakes allow for the bread to reach *at least* 145°F in order to kill off the potential salmonella from the eggs. Sure there would be isolated cases that could cause a spike in the infected, but the show suggests anyone who ate anything with raw flour as an ingredient is the reason it spread so fast, since it's such a common ingredient
Also in ‘Left Behind’ when Ellie asks Riley how she got recruited and Riley’s story is ridiculous. The leader of the Fireflies is just like “Hey, you’re out at night and say you don’t like fedra. Definitely not a plant. Welcome!”
Its soooooo stupid 😭
Presumably they've been keeping an eye on Ellie, so they would know all about her best friend Riley as well.
@@uponangelwings Marlene mentioned Riley to Ellie when she was getting ready to send her with Joel and Tess. So I think you're right.
@@uponangelwings but why would she recruit Ellies best friend if she wanted to keep ellie AWAY from them?
@@SwiftyEmpire it's not like Riley could have gotten Ellie into trouble because they were taking to her to another base in a different state remember? If anything, Riley had been getting Ellie into trouble before being a firefly, and taking her away from Ellie, by means of making her a firefly, would have HELPED with that.
the only thing that drove me nuts was in episode 2, why mess around with the lighter when Tess could've just grabbed some of the hand grenades on the floor and started pulling pins?
Also Joel should've definetly taken atleast one of those hand grenades.
The fungus was taking over her, she barely managed to light the lighter
hand grenades cause shrapnel, not explosions
@@PFMCDS that is correct, however I would assume (though I have not personally seen any tests and am open to being proven wrong) that hand grenades would ignite a large amount of poured gasoline , plus they're already using movie logic given how the building exploded when Tess lit the gas.
Good point with the grenades and Tess but I feel Grenades would make too much noise for Joel for him to even want them. I would take at least a couple, but only use them for extreme emergencies or even as a last resort, maybe even like a martyr.
@@PFMCDS true but they do ignite in order to spread that shrapnel, and with a highly volatile chemical like gas, that’s all it needs.
the soldier being alone at start is likely because they are stretch too thinly because of the sheer scale of the outbreak
I really appreciate the gag reel at the end of this episode.. The Last of Us is extremely dark and the laughs came right before I was about to start bawling about it all over again.
At 9:14, Ellie didn't travel from Jackson, WI. She was originally at Jackson, WY. Still a far distance to Santa Barbara, but not nearly as much.
Was about to comment this and was looking for someone who noticed.
@@dinkelbotjr1212 Same here. I was super confused when I saw that for a minute.
37:16 that joke was really unexpected and i don't know why. but that joke was perfect
1:14:00 I can actually explain the building going up in flames like that. Even a well-maintained building will age, and the wood will take on a quality known as Matchbox wood. Matchbox wood doesn't take long at all to start burning. I should know. Unfortunately, my childhood home burned down. It wasn't even five minutes before the entire house was up in flames, so I can only imagine how fast a 20-year-old neglected building would go up.
I think the most impressive thing about this show is how much impact some of the characters that only had a brief appearance had on the show.
Ibu Ratna (the Mycologist from Jakarta) made such an impact that I was still actively thinking of her even by Episode 9, the Ellie's FEDRA instructor from Episode 7 made me want to learn more about the day to day structure of the organization. The kid who got shot by Ellie in Kansas city made me think about the consequences of mistakes made in fear, and him begging for his mom and freaking out over his legs in the moment felt like such a realistic reaction. Marlon and Florence and their short little scene up in the mountains felt like such an oasis of comfort, and I found myself wanting to see more of them even though I knew in the show it wouldnt make sense. Anna of course made me wonder if she was part of the same group as Frank, as they were escaping around the same time and Frank mentioned a large group that was thinned out.
All of these characters were only in the show for 5 to 10 minutes at most, but they added so much richness to the world and story of the show. I've never seen a show utilize minor characters in such a strong way before.
The reason Fireflies didn't involve FEDRA on Ellie is because they thought FEDRA would have monopolized the cure and given it to only ppl they wanted to and/or sold (barter, etc) it to the general populous.
Fireflies would have done the exact same thing lmao
That's what the Fireflies were going to do anyways.
@@addison_v_ertisement1678yeah they’re hypocrites, it’s a whole plot point for them
Hate to burst your awesome bubble.. but there was nothing they could have taken out of Ellie that would have helped.
She is either infected with a mutant form of the fungus which would just require her biting people to make them immune..
.. or she has developed antibodies, which would just require blood.
The fireflies just wanted to experiment with her and kill her for fun, as there was literally nothing to learn but the pathway of the newer infection. Joel was 124,000% in the right for killing them.
Your memes at the end were top tier and A nice pallete cleanser. Thank you brother.
They explained why tess struggled with the lighter and also why she just kind of submitted. She was infected she was turning she was losing motor functions or rather she was losing her ability to use her own motor functions, she didn’t just submit cause “welp I’m dead anyways might as well be assaulted by a zombie at the same time” she literally COULDNT move because the fungi had already taken over.
Doesn't explain why she just didn't use one of the hand grenades.
If only she had any symptoms before that to showcase that fact
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i just now realized what made left behind even more heart breaking was that when ellie realized she was immune she had to kill riley
Bill and Frank was a bitter sweet story but gives me hope I might find someone one day.
@@illestdakillest5420 lol
I agree..It really ruined the whole character set up was ruined by him standing in the street shooting like that..Not to mention he didnt have a milatary grade rifle by the bed.
I appreciate how you keep the ridiculous sins to a minimum. Unlike a certain other Sin channel.
The characters smiled after a dangerous encounter, so unrealistic! plus ten sins!
its sad because Cinema sins used to be good, oh how the giants fall...
At least cinemasins is palatable.
@@speeddemon5339 ???
@@speeddemon5339 no it’s not
@@Dctctx in comparison.
For episode 3 I think that the attack wasn't the first but just the more crucial one for us to see. And by the time they're old the raiders probably after maybe 7 attempts just said screw it and opted to ignore it
Good job man, I couldn’t put down this video, great work 😊
Bro i swear, the few seconds of hearing the hillbilly menu music before the text made me go insane xD great video
You're so right, mountain mama was one of the best parts of this show. I kept replaying their part and would happily love to see more from them. Shame it wouldn't work with the plot, but I secretly like to imagine that they visit them from time to time after going back to Jackson after the end of the show
That would be cool
In the end is complicated for me to side with Marlene , because they don't really know if whatever they are going to do with Ellie will work, they are doing all of that only on "our doctor THINKS this and that" and that's not good enough reason to kill the only inmune person there (probably) is and if it doesn't work then they lose that
I agree honestly I'd believe it more if it was the CDC and FEDRA personnel saying this rather then one doctor of a group with no where near the necessary amount of supplies and equipment needed to make a anti-fungal agent that can kill the fungus and distribute it across the ruins of America
Honestly id make the same decision as joel because of all the ifs, doubly so if we include the posibility of knowing the info in the logs. Just knowing its being headed by a surgeon would be enough, there is no way a random surgeon is gonna manage this when pathologists before the fall failed.
Let alone some of the other info, like how they cant keep cordycepts alive under lab conditions, and the apparent age of said surgeon.
I love the idea of picking apart the realities of a zombie apocalypse movie.
We're gonna pick apart how Tommy should of taken longer to arrive at Joel's due to the amount of traffic that should of been on the road, as a zombie runs past with its limbs missing and starts eating people.
I've been waiting for this!
(I'm a bit behind, but I knew it would be coming, so I checked and it was here!)
Mr. Adler changed after Joel saved Sarah and put her in the truck with him and Tommy. There was no way to tell how long since he’s been bit, but after they got in the truck and drove off, you can then see him running out of the house and attacking a neighbor that was outside as Sarah watched. That could have been within the 5-15 minute mark he was bit.
God, Bill and Franks story hit me in so many different ways.
My brother passed away at 27 in November after a long fight with a rare autoimmune condition. His widow (my best friend) and I were watching together, and it was just....beautifully soul crushing. "Love me how I want to be loved", my brother said so many things that echoed that sentiment
The way Frank slowly declined over a long period was just...too real. The way Nick Offerman portrayed heartbreak and sorrow, before swallowing it all down and doing what he had to...chilling.
I think watching someone you love slowly wither into a pile of aches and pains is probably the hardest thing anyone could endure in their lives. Express the love, hug a little tighter, laugh harder, you never know when that last goodbye happens.
Brutal observation made me tear up😅
This is really well done....i just finished the season..its cool to see ur perspective about the series and its awesome to watch such a breakdown ...esp in a long format...really long....lol...something to listen to whilst im at work tmr
At the start joel said that the infection was mainly in the city to make it to where sarah felt safe he didn't truly know that
The one question I have about episode 5 is how the hell did Sam get diagnosed with cancer?? Most cancers require professional scans or biopsy surgery with lab tests to diagnose. There’s no way that’s happening 20 years into the apocalypse without a highly functional hospital.
Allegedly through Fedras hospital but it didn’t make much sense to me. What good would he be in the long run with cancer? He couldn’t populate the earth. Most likely the cancer would come back. Too many questions
the firefly flashbang scene in the final episode I thought was so good ONLY because of how smooth and sneakily they snuck them into frame while keeping them out of focus. I barely noticed them until right before they threw the flash, and my girlfriend didnt even see them at all. I enjoyed that along with Joel's murdur rampage. Me and my GF just sat in silence as we watched him undo and destroy all the hope there was for the world to possibly be saved solely because of his selfish attachment / desire to keep her alive. I was speechless, it was so good and tragic having a kind of realistic ending where a morally flawed and scared character made a selfish / bad choice.
There's a lot more to it than that, granted this is skipping ahead a bit from the games, but it's also implied on the story. You, and Joel, don't know this - but he felt it - the fireflies didn't have the cure. Killing your one medical research subject by invasively cutting open her brain to see what was inside is bad medicine, bad science, and bad ethics on both counts, considering they didn't get her consent or consult her about it either. Elle, in doubting Joel, doesn't understand this and blindly put faith in herself being the cure (supposedly she's not the cure anyway, but that's a rumor on the game lore). You're supposed to sympathize with the main characters, not a faceless doctor in a mask willing to kill, flashed on screen with one line for 4 seconds. The show is also pushing you towards distrusting the fireflies the whole season. You'll have to go back with your girlfriend and catch all these hints and subtleties you missed.
@@subcitizen2012 Scientifically there is no "cure" for fungi.
@Pockenn he didn't feel that at all. He did it for an understandable selfish reason. He loved his daughter.
And while it's been said to death they were wrong for using the word "vaccine" at no point do we know if it was writers mistake or not.
Okay, first off, the Fireflies didn't know what the fuck they were doing. If anyone was going to find a cure, it would not have been the people stupid enough to rip her apart instead of starting off with the most basic of fucking blood tests.
Second, in the next game, we find out that they did have more children to butcher, and they didn't find anything. They do know that what they were doing wasn't working, and did it anyways.
Third, related to two, Joel was killing child choppers, not the last hope of humanity.
MatPat theorised her immunity is another variant of cordyceps.
As someone who has loved the game for years im still 50/50 on the show