Morning Jim…I’m liking the retirement vibe and what an excellent thing to do. Gotta be better than a caravan….Great to know you’re enjoying it so far and thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
I too am a gentleman of a certain age who swapped a v7 iii for a v7 850. I ride all year round and did about 6,000 miles on the v7 iii and have so far racked up 5,500 miles on the v7 850 in 9 months of ownership.. I went for the 850 special for the the twin analogue clocks (single, offset clocks trigger my OCD), wire wheels and because, for me, bikes need to be shiny. I loved my v7 iii but the new model has much better handling, suspension, tyres, lighter clutch and the extra power makes overtaking much easier. I think the difference is rather more than your scientific 8%. I have made a few mods to my 850: a Givi fly screen (helps smooth wind flow and protects the clocks), heated grips, Halcyon bar end mirrors (which fold in and save garage space) and Hepco and Becker racks and C-bow panniers. I am having a centre stand (to save garage space and help cleaning and maintenance) and engine protection bars fitted at its next service. The only problem I have had is that the miles per gallon read-out is wrong but this is being dealt with under warranty. I know the new bike is heavier but, to be honest, I don’t really notice it even when pushing it around, and I am most definitely a wimp. It helps that the weight is low down, making slow riding easy. I love the large fuel tank and it’s 250 mile range (I get 60-65 mpg on North Yorkshire’s finest A and B roads). Carrying 21 litres of fuel adds to the weight but is a small price to pay to minimise trips to the petrol station. A smaller tank would do wonders for the published wet weight but I know what I would rather have. As someone short in the leg, I also love the sensible seat height and ergonomics: I can ride for hours in comfort. The ABS and traction control are enough for me: I don’t want the fragile complexity of 150 rider modes that I would never use, computerised suspension, radar-controlled cruise control, keyless ignition, a games console… For me, the Guzzi v7 850 is that very rare combination of form and function. It does all I need brilliantly , has classic looks with real character and never fails to put a smile on my face.
Good afternoon and thanks for your interesting thoughts on the 850. All very good points and well made. I think my perfect version of the 850 would be the Stone/Centenario with the clocks and headlight from the Special (I prefer mag wheels from a puncture repair perspective) plus I do like the matt black exhausts. I've only done 500 miles on mine so far and once it's run in I'm sure I'll really notice the extra power and handling - so I'm fully prepared to make an advance on the highly scientific 8% :-) Totally agree on the simplicity aspect - like you I have no desire to fiddle with menu's and worry about if a different setting is better or not. All I tend to do on the Guzzi is switch off the traction control completely (I still find it very intrusive) and then off I go. Tank size, low seat, good mirrors, shaft drive (and I'll be putting a screen on it) makes it a perfect long distance companion. It's a delight! I'm sticking with the slightly less charm though - but if I'd never experienced the V7III I wouldn't even notice that to be honest. Anyway, great to hear from another owner, thanks for watching and hope all is well in Yorkshire, cheers, Phil.
Aside from the how stunning this bike is and the review content, let me just say, this video is so well made. It's cheeky, cinematic and keeps my attention. Well done. Made me laugh a few times. Great comparison!
Good morning Dimitri, thanks for watching and hope you’re doing well. Thanks very much for your kind comments, it’s great to know the work is appreciated, cheers, Phil.
Hey Mark, Merry Christmas. Sounds like you’ve properly got the Guzzi bug! As you say they are sooooo much fun…I’d have one of every colour and model if I could 😀 Roll on retirement 😀 Anyway, thanks for watching, hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
I currently own both a V7 III Special and a V7 850 Special (next to a V7 850 GT from 1975). According to me the 850 has indeed lost a little bit of character, while gaining power and smoothness. The 750 sounds nicer (a bit louder) and its vibrations feel like a heartbeat, which got lost on the 850. The 750 also feels nimbler, probably because of the lower weight and narrower rear tyre. I had the shocks on the 750 changed for a pair of simple Hagons and they feel quite comfortable, although quickly bottom out. The 850 looks and feels a bit beefier. I don't have a preference for either one of them, so I am forced to keep them both... I have had and still have many bikes, and these are still my favourites. The 850 TT Centenario and California Vintage 90 Anniversario are also in my stable. If you favour air-cooled v-twins with shaft drive, as I do, there actually only is Moto Guzzi.
Good evening, totally agree with your all points with respect to the 750 and the 850 and if I had the space, like you you, I probably would have kept both. However, I do think the 850 is possibly the slightly better long term all round proposition mainly because of the very same things that create the slight loss of charm. Still…it’s air cooled, looks lovely with shaft drive and still a million miles away from modern bikes. If I come across a Stornello I might be tempted…Guzzi’s do get under your skin. Anyway, thanks for stopping by, hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Hi Eddy I recently put Hagons on my 750 from Gutsibits; found the handling improved significantly but at the expense of comfort. Have yours bedded in at all?
Hi, great video, choice of bike and beers! I’m a returning biker, tried lots but decided the Adventure style is not for me. The V7 is the last “retro” for me to ride (tomorrow) and is the one that pulls at my heart strings. Was thinking of a 2nd hand 750 but may pay the extra for an 850 now. At 6’ 1” I’m just hoping I fit…
Good evening - thanks for stopping by and yes, the beers were very nice but didn’t last long. Hopefully your test ride went OK - have you reached a decision and did you fit the bike OK? Let me know how you got on! Cheers, Phil.
I think, for me, this might just be the most beautiful bike out there. Perfect color combination with classic lines. Really pulls at my heartstrings. Too bad about the weight though. As always, big thumbs up for the Dalek as well.
Hey Mike, yes the weight increase is a but unfortunate but it’s not a deal breaker. Also worth noting that those are wet weights and the V7 has a big tank. Either way though, it has put a chunk of lungs on compared to the 750. Still, it is completely gorgeous. I’m smitten again! Listen to your heart….. Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
OMG! I can't believe you got a new Centenario and I am just seein this now! I watched all your previous videos on your previous bike with great fervor :) Thank you for your video! Cheers!
Good morning, thanks for stopping by and hope you’re doing well. You’ve watched all the other videos and still came back, what can I say 😀 Yes, the Centenario finally arrived after a 9 month delay and I’m very happy with it and can’t wait for the UK summer. It’s quite different to my old V7 in lots of ways so ideally I’d have both as mad as that seems, still I’m not complaining! Hope all is well where you are, happy new year, cheers, Phil.
Proper beer, proper French biscuits, proper Moto Guzzi, haha luv it. As an aspiring MG owner thx for the proper education, proper eye candy and proper entertainment. Cheers!
Great timing. I watched your previous vids on the old V7iii and enjoyed them. My Centenario is being delivered tomorrow so I have a vested interest in this!
Evening Jon, oooh very exciting! Glad you enjoyed the videos and you’re in for a treat tomorrow! Since the video (when I think I was clinging on to a previous affair) the new one now really does it for me. Love it! Thanks for watching, let me know how you get on, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thank you! Loved the reference to Salvador Dali BTW, very funny but I see what you mean. I don’t like digital dashes normally but I do like this one, it somehow captures that 1970’s digital watch ‘look’, maybe it’s triggering something nostalgic for me, don’t know. But I really like it.
Torn between the 750 and 850. I currently have a W800, which I absolutely love. It's a Japanese work of art. I will be adding a second bike to my collection and the Moto Guzzi V7 will be it. Thanks for the video🥂
Hey Steve, thanks for your comments and yes, the W800 is a sublimely lovely bike. I’ve never ridden one but the styling and the engine look just amazing! As for the 750/850 yeah it’s a difficult choice. I still stand by the fact the 750 is more charming, while the 850 has just that bit more of speed and handling about it. I’d have them both as you know which may suggest you can’t really go wrong with either! Obviously, I’m aware that won’t help at all - sorry! Anyway, hope all is well where you are, thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
I have really enjoyed the video! Thanks for bringing it out. I am picking up my v7850 special in grey tomorrow ! Can" t wait! Traded it in for my lovely v7 café from 2009. So I can really geel you......greetings from the Netherlands, bye
Hey Rene, not long to wait now! Glad you enjoyed the video and let me know how you get on tomorrow. Thanks for stopping by and greetings from the UK, cheers, Phil.
Hi, nice video, very useful first impressions. Waiting for new trips after your 'salty' Winter, enjoy your beer, your biscuits and, obviously, your new Moto Guzzi. Merry Christmas from Italy!
Good morning and Merry Christmas! Thanks for stopping by and great to know you enjoyed the video. It’s very salty here at the moment so the beer and biscuits are ready while the Guzzi battery is on charge. Hope all is well over in 🇮🇹 Ciao, Phil.
Hello again! Thanks very much, always good to know the work is appreciated. As for the stable, I think, finally, I may have found the perfect trio (for me). Well, until I decide to go electric of course 😀 More coming soon and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Good morning, ah there’s nothing like new bike day - especially when it’s a Guzzi. Fingers crossed you get good weather and can get some miles in. Great to know you enjoyed the video and the recovery is going well thanks - many thanks for asking. Let me know how you get on with your new bike, cheers, Phil.
Several of my friends have the V7 and love it. They make a lovely burble sound when I’m following - the bikes not my friends in case you were wondering.
Evening Ian, hope you’re doing ok. Burbling friends sounds kinda nice actually. Next time I’m out I’ll harangue some passers by and see what they say. Onboard it sounds like a “thrum”…Anyway, thanks for watching (again), cheers, Phil.
I just bought my first Guzzi a couple weeks ago ‘23 V7 Stone. Funny, you mentioned the mirror, I had a 2 1/2 hour ride home from the dealer, the right hand mirror came loose, and drove me bonkers! I’m still getting used to the gearbox, no where near as smooth as my T120 I used to have. There’s something about this bike, though (even with a few idiosyncrasies) that I just adore. I’ve only got a few hundred miles on it, but I’m always excited to hop on it!
Hey Scott, good to hear from you and great to know you’re enjoying the ride! As for the mirrors, yeah, it’s gotta be an Italian thing 😀 The gearbox does smooth out over time plus as you probably know now, it expects you to match gear changes to engine speed and what the shaft drive is doing - otherwise the bike does complain a bit. Isn’t it great to have to learn what works best though? For me that was all part of the charm as opposed to jumping on and knowing the bike perfectly within the first few minutes (which is also a good thing for other use cases). It’s been said many times - but the V7 is an old bike brought up to date while Triumphs for example are modern bikes designed to look old. Rattling clutch, odd ticking noises, rocking from side to side and they do like to rev. What could be better! All the best & thanks for stopping by. Let me know how you get on, cheers, Phil.
Hey Rich, thanks for stopping by. As for the OEM tyres on the V7III, I remember picking mine up and thinking the headstock was loose or the wheel bearings were shot…it was all over the place. I think it’s the first time I’ve ever swapped tyres before needing to….Terrible things! And yeah, Fullers is just lovely 😊 Cool pint of Pride on a summers evening…perfect! Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Très belle vidéo, magnifique région 😌 Je devrais prendre possession de la V7 Spécial Edition cette semaine, j'espère que la météo sera plus clémente dans le nord/pas de calais (France) les inondations ne facilite pas les déplacements. Bien à vous.
Bonjour, Ravi d'avoir de vos nouvelles et félicitations pour votre achat du V7 - je suis sûr que vous l'apprécierez beaucoup. Merci pour vos aimables commentaires sur la vidéo et le lieu. Oui, le temps et la pluie sont terribles ici depuis des semaines et des semaines également. Je fais le Pas-de-Calais - j'ai séjourné plusieurs fois à Arras et j'apprécie beaucoup la bière-de-garde. bonne chance, bravo, Philip.
hi Thank you for this Comparison. Again a beautiful video with great camera views. May be I think it over between the 750cc and the 850cc model. best regards from OWL/Germany
@@80eightReviews Hi Phil Thanks for your answer. We are looking forward for next year. Hopefully the world is better than. all the best from OWL/Germany Jürgen
I am so glad you got THAT one !!! I thought you were heading for the Blue V7 SPECIAL .. I love the 100 year color schemes from the race bike on the Centenario. Very classy ... I did like the analog clocks on the blue one though..I think the weight gain is due to the stronger shaft drive and frame work for the higher torque numbers of the 850 ..Very good on a high windy bridge 1000 miles from home at ant rate .. Glad you got us all seeing Salvador's mustache ... That is a great gift to the art world and the internet ... I love that tree at 8:40 ... Santa is bringing every good girl and boy I know McVitie's ..I know very middle of the road but I love them and a pile of them will fit into my wooden Pannier on the Triumph .. Heated grips sleigh bells and salty roads for me here in New England coming this season ... Congratulations for all three of your new beauties !!! Yours Guy
Good evening Guy, how are you - hope all is good in PA. As for the blue special, well, I was waiting for so long that when I heard a rumour specials were being delivered, I said to the dealer “I’ll have one when it comes in”…In the end the Centenario came in first, it was October and I couldn’t really refuse! Now that I’ve got it, it is of course the best colour ever! Kinda glad it’s got tubeless tyres even if the headlight is somewhat er, decisive 😀 As you say the weight is advantageous in some cases and it’s definitely much more planted than the old one. I can live with it plus I class it as a bit of middle age spread. Which, given all the biscuits I’m eating…I used to live near a McVitie’s factory years ago…The smell on a Friday afternoon was delicious. Plus they had a broken biscuit factory shop where I probably consumed my own body weight in milk chocolate digestives. These days I try and avoid them as I get Labrador syndrome and would get through a whole packet before breakfast. I think an emergency packet or seven in the pannier is a very sensible idea though…it’s all about being prepared for every eventuality. Thing is, do you dunk Guy? If you’ve really got sleigh bells on your Triumph, I think a video with sound track is in order. And if you don’t, I’ll order some - Triumph have a very comprehensive accessory catalogue. But yes, I think I’ve finally landed on an excellent trio of machines….next stop is electric in a few years time I think. Anyway, hope you, the family and pottery are all going strong Guy, great to hear from you again, cheers, Phil.
Lovely vid. Running the exact same bike . Get some Mistrals on it. It transforms the experience. Got mine from Guzzibits so avoided the dreaded import charges.
Morning Geoff, thanks for stopping by, great to know you enjoyed the review and are loving the bike. And thanks for the advice, hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
Excellent production again. Think the 850 in those colours gets the nod for me. Thanks for the tipple tip.. Proper Job is worth a try if you’ve not already.
Thanks very much! Yeah, it does look lovely I have to say. As for Proper Job, I think I had a few pints of that when working in Exeter a few years back. Very nice indeed. I think have may have been slightly put off it as I have vague memory of seeing a photo Nigel Farage drinking it, plus it doesn’t seem to make it this far north. I’ll get over my Farage hangup and seek some some out! Thanks for watching and hope all is good where you are, cheers, Phil.
Thanks Timothy…And in the sunlight, the green metal flake is sublime! I’ve got super bumpy roads near me so soft and comfortable suspension is key…Yes, I’d like “better” suspension but not “harder” suspension personally. I’m happy with my choice 😀 Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Thanks - that’s an app called Telemetry Overlay, it’s little fiddly but works really well - more details at the link below and thanks for watching, cheers, Phil. goprotelemetryextractor.com/
Another brilliant video your incredible videography is wonderfully accompanied by your upbeat banter. And London Pride my favorite beer!!!!! A fellow Guzzisti here! Oh Lord and the Dalek😂
Thanks very much. Beer, Guzzi and Daleks…what could be better. I still can’t get into Jodie Whittaker though - not her fault but the scripts are dreadful. We don’t get Pride on tap up here but the bottled stuff isn’t half bad. Love Fullers! Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
I just found this video today, not sure how it took me two years, but I found it most entertaining and you gave me a chuckle a few times. I too traded in my beloved 2020 V7 III Classic, but 5 months ago for a 2024 V7 Corsa. I find it has a greater than 8% improvement, from the rear suspension alone. Not only much better shocks but nearly 1" more travel. No more jots up the spine for this 67 year old! The power difference is also very noticeable and technically it is 25%, though to be fair, I was fine with the power of the 750. I have Mistral pipes on order and will have them in December and am installing a Matris fork kit in the next couple of weeks as well. The forks aren't terrible but they are a bit harsh and I will make them excellent. I thought I would hate the off center clock but I have not even been slightly disturbed by the off center placement. Love the tubeless rimes, love the bike, loved that you enjoy the beer and treats.......but I do love a good hazy IPA....ha ha. Cheers to your retirement!
Hey Scott, good to hear from and thanks for stopping by. Great to hear you're enjoying the Corsa! That's a lovely looking machine. As for the % improvements ha ha, we could talk about that at length I'd imagine! The increase in the power is the big one as you say - it turns it into something much more rapid (when needed). Must admit I didn't notice much difference with the shocks but then I only did 500 miles on mine. The Mistral pipes will sound and look lovely and that's a good decision on the fork kit. You'll have a properly lovely, usable and quite exotic (but not over the top) bike once all that's done. On the clocks, yeah, I quite like 'Off centre' design to be honest and the rule of thirds as applied to photos / paintings pretty much demands that. Anyway, on a Guzzi, when you're enjoying the ride, who needs clocks 😀 Right, I'm off for some snacks 😋 All the best, cheers, Phil.
Hi there, very much enjoyed your video and many thanks for posting it. I too have a V7 850 black Stone. Great bike! (I also have a RE Classic 350 in the shed; chalk and cheese!). Like you I hope next year to do some longer trips round the UK on the Guzzi. Currently thinking about a pannier system amongst other things. Any thoughts? Also, very intrigued seeing the digital info displayed over the riding video parts. What is it? I would appreciate any info/link to the product. Regards and safe riding and…. enjoy the beer and twigletts. Chris
Hey Chris, good to hear from you and thanks for your comments on the video. Good to know you[re enjoying the V7! As for a pannier system, well, I didn't get to take the 850 on any long trips as I went and broke my leg in an accident, but that's another story! Anyway, I did go over to Europe on my previous V7III and used a set of throw-over soft panniers that worked a treat and I was planning on using the same on my 850. If you check this video out : th-cam.com/video/JcYg6wOXhfU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=x35pQNpLy_339rB3 at around the 4:11 mark you'll see what I used and how I fitted them. Super easy, no hassle and no racks needed! As for the on-screen GPS info, I used an application called 'Telemetry Overlay' it's really good but you will need to buy a licence for it and have a camera that records GPS data so GoPro 7 - 10 for example. Here's the link : goprotelemetryextractor.com/telemetry-overlay-gps-video-sensors. As for the beer and Twiglets...Always! Hope that helps, all the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Great info. I will certainly seriously have a look at the throw over panniers, they looked great. I presume they rest against the shocks. Did you experience any problems when going over bumps and the shocks compressed. I ask ‘cos (quite) a while back, a friend came off his VFR due to his bags catching in the suspension. Regards, Chris
Hey Chris, no worries and hopefully the info was useful. But no, I had zero problems with the panniers gently resting against the shocks. I purposely didn’t tether them to any other part of the bike so that they could still move around on bumps and of course the shocks wouldn’t allow the panniers to get chewed up into the wheel. Yes the panniers may have bounced upwards on bumps but being tethered under the seat they were totally secure and caused no problems at all. I know it’s tempting to buy into racks and sorts of stuff but really it’s not needed. Cheers, Phil.
Your Green V7iii had me green with envy. Probably my favorite color. I own a w800 cafe but have my eye on a MG roamer. Not a popular model but I think it’s cool looking
Hello! Thanks for stopping by and yeah, I still think about the little green Guzzi - it was a little packet of matt green gorgeousness I have to say. I’ve got a good track record in selling bikes then feeling regretful 😀 Well, to be honest I quite like the V9 range and definitely prefer the roamer over the bobber - I mean an Italian bobber?! The roamer is cool looking I agree and the handling is supposed to be quite good also so I’d say go for it! As you say, there are not many about so that will just add to the feeling of riding something special. Let me know if you do get one, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the bike. Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Thanks for your thoughts. I have a 2012 V7 Special and was thinking of twisting to an 850cc version, but may now stick with my current bike and add a few improvements. I will happily watch more of your videos.
Good morning and thanks for taking the time to comment. Yeah it’s a bit of an edge case between the 750 and the 850…As I say towards the end of the video, I think the 850 is a little more sanitised (but not much) and it’s speed definitely makes it feel more like what we would expect from a bike. Although having said that I never suffered from a lack of speed on the 750! It’s a very fine balance….More coming soon where I will attempt to describe the conundrum - either way though, keeping your current bike is in no way a compromise. Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
I know, what is it about the mirrors? Mine started swinging around on its first journey (brand new back from the dealers) and then it did it again after the first service. Is loosening the offside mirror part of the service schedule I wonder? I had to buy a spanner (shame imoji) because I didn't have a 21mm open spanner.
Hey Gary, ha ha yeah. And like who has a 21mm open ended spanner? I had to buy one as well and it’s massive for a mirror. I’ve seen smaller axle nuts! It was exactly the same with my first V7…off side mirror, first ride home. Love Italian engineering 😀 Thanks for stopping by and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Ha ha I couldn’t possibly comment 😀 I will admit though that I do like and search out little badly surface roads as I quite like them 😀 All the best, cheers, Phil.
Fit some Mistral short exhausts. No need to take the dB killer out. Lovely sound. I've replaced the tyres with Bridgestone BT32 as I disliked the feel of the front. Fitted a 110/80 at the front. Am totally loving mine. Enjoy.
Morning - thanks for the info. I had Bridgestones on my old V7 and totally loved them so will swap at some point. I’ll check out the Mistrals, if they are not too loud I might go for them. Either way, brilliant bike and loving mine too, can’t wait for summer. Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Hi Phil, really enjoyed hearing your insights and comparisons. Got my Centenario in May, I love it. You played a big part in edging me to a V7 and then the launch shots made up my mind! I’ve found the performance to hit the sweet spot for me, you can really enjoy exploiting it without it always egging you on. The (surprisingly heavy) mirrors had to go in favour of bar-ends, which for me greatly improve the looks and also give a better field of vision as well, I’d recommend doing that (my OEMs also quickly worked loose!). I’d like to change the exhausts to Mistrals to improve the nice but muted soundtrack... are they under consideration?
Good evening! Thanks for your comments - really good to hear and really glad you’re enjoying the bike as otherwise I could be in a lot of trouble 😀 You’re right - I think it will have a really nice power sweet spot once I finish running it in. Even now I can feel it’s got a little more shove and urgency compared to the 750 yet in no way is it unmanageable. Can’t wait for summer 2022! As for the exhausts, I’m not really one for swapping to be honest, I can live with the quietness (as can my elderly neighbours) and I imagine they won’t release tons of power, so I’ll stick with stock I think. It’s just a shame they are so quiet and much quieter than the stock can on my Z900RS which in some respects is a bit loud. Either way though, it’s a brilliant bike and I’m totally smitten. And perhaps the mirrors might fall off one day…Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
What on bike camera are you using? I had a Drift Ghost S but it's packed up now. I'm guessing Go Pro? I liked the on-board lean angle and mph display👍 I'm torn between the 750 and 850 V7 .... As for beer.. if you ever get the chance, try Grain beer, made in Harleston in Norfolk❤
Morning Neil, good to hear from you and hope all is well with you. Important matters first - thanks for the beer tip, I'll check it out! As for the onboard camera - yes, it's a GoPro 10. Like all GoPro's it appears a little bit finicky to begin with but I've never had any serious problems with them and these days with the front/back screens much easier to use and the footage is great plus it has good 4k slo-mo also. In terms of the overlay, you can get basic overlays using the (rather awful GoPro Quik App) but the ones in the video were added by using a desktop application called 'Telemetry Overlay'. You have to import you GoPro footage, add gauges and things and then re-export. It's easy enough to do but just adds a bit of time to the process. One thing to note though is that the latest GoPro 12 doesn't capture GPS data which is annoying, so you'll need to be looking at the 11 or below. Same with the DJI action camera also. Hope that helps....Now Googling Grain beer..... All the best, cheers, Phil.
I'm looking for a first bike - and stumbled upon your videos. Absolutely love how beautifully presented they are - so cinematic and stunning to watch. If you decide to sell your bike in the future please let me know!
Good evening and thanks very much for your kind comments - it’s great to know the work is appreciated. The Guzzi would be a great first bike - easy to ride, not mad and of course, lovely to look at so you feel real pride of ownership. And has for selling hahahahah….Not yet….If ever! Thanks for stopping by and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thanks for the reply. Since watching your two videos on you tube I have developed a minor obsession with them! I'll let you know what I end up buying. Please make another video! The colour scheme on yours is absolutely lovely. We go to Como every year - I shall make a point of visiting the factory next time we go.
@@80eightReviews Hi Phil - so after seeing your videos I made a visit to the MG store in Brighton. They have two in stock. Your colour scheme is perfect - sets the bike off really well - definitely best colours. Looking forward to taking it for a test ride - DAS pass permitting. Hope this finds you well.
Good evening…great news and to be honest I only got the Centenario by accident - but I really love it now. Fingers crossed for the test ride - being obsessed is just the start…Let me know what you think! Cheers, Phil.
Hello! Yes, it’s a cracking bike and I really can’t wait for summer so I can get some proper miles in on it. Thanks for your kind comments and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@80:8 Photography & Design Hello again Phil Your video might be from some time ago, but I believe it is to this date the best review of the V7 850, as well as the best comparison to the older renditions of it. Especially the steam engine - analogy, to me, summed up briefly, what so many failed or tried to say, myself included. Despite me myself leaning into a similar direction of opinion overall, I was reluctant to judge the V7 850, before the bike got its second service interval at around 10k km, with which the last "factory flaw" was removed (they actually torqued down the main head of the steering bearings with approx 200Nm, like it took 3 people to open it, but warranty covered it, so now she handles EVEN BETTER with a proper free-swinging front fork and new bearings,) and the gearbox was "worked in" (it is no longer clunky at all). I now finally just about got home from the alps, and now I feel like I can judge the V7, after having done the penultimate test, 3 days of non-stop riding, 1 meal, 6h of sleep and 4 gas station stops per day, either to fuel up, drink smth, or pee. I even took it off-road, as there is nobody making sure I do not ride mountain-bike trails in the more remote areas on a friday around noon. I have to say, the low seat height, soft rear brake, medium width handle bar and torquey engine, really make it almost too easy. I am nowhere near a trail connaisseur, and I did avoid larger drops / holes, simply because I love my motorcycle with as few scratches as possible, but I reckon I could ride the desert with that, easily, if there was one round here. Gravel, green pastures, leaf and wood, were no problem. A couple suitable tyres, and I d risk it, but I love my Metzeler Roadtec 01s, so shame on me for using them outside their street habitat. I rode the V7 all winter, so I barely had any human interaction while riding, since nobody goes outside during covid and -5° to +10° for morr than necessary, but on these three days I had over 10 people, NON-RIDERS, that is, come up and say smth nice about the V7, astounding. Anyways, I ve decided to give my thoughts on the V7 850 here, mostly directed at the negatives previous generations displayed, not that they ever mattered to myself, but when I told my rather large circle of motorcycle friends (and I m about to throw You in with that lot at this rate) I was gonna buy a BRAND NEW guzzi, some speculated upon the issues older models had, instead of focusing on the few novelties listed within the brief promotion descriptions, which everyone instantly googled. I am about to shut these critics down, saddle up; I've owned the 2021 V7 850 for 8months and 13'000km now. I used to ride a MkII a couple years back for about a month / 3000ish km I am happy to say all the known issues are gone. The 2021 version comes with all the unnecessary tech goodies such as traction control and ABS. It s got 65hp instead of the previous 50, which was plenty but now it s got more than it needs, stock, so nobody can complain. It's Euro5 compliant so soccer mom's can stop holding their ears shut, bike enthusiasts can, as usual, mod the exhaust system and the planet can stay green. The transmission was always fine, even at -10degrees celsius, it only took 30-60sec to warm up and shift easily and precisely, now it just does it even sooner and with 0 miles on the odometer so even new-buyers with a lack of determination in their left foot get it done. After the 10k km service, the transmission worked perfectly from every cold start. The seat is now even better, so riding for 10h with a total of 30min off is entirely manageable, whether it s all highway speeds or none, as long as it is not for more than a day. Multiple days, I reckon 8h/d in the saddle should be doable for most people. Most of the aftermarket products available for the MkII and MkIII fit the 850 version, for people who like a plug-and-play-style of customization, despite the bike oozing simplicity and elegance even in its stock rendition. For the first time in a couple years, even the stock tyres are good. Mine lasted well over 8000km and never let me down, braking into corners and scraping pegs, they held, wet or dry, warm or cold. The 2021 850 has more rear suspension travel than ever, so while it always was a comfortable bike, it is now even more comfortable, which helps with terrible roads, offroading, two-up riding and touring. Despite all this, the engine is still reliable, soulful and lively and the bike weighs 218kg wet, but can easily be modified down to 200 for all those who d rather lift it into a van with friends instead of getting a ramp. The ECU mapping is no longer any issue. It was fine always if you ask me, but some people felt like the curve wasnt good enough, whined about a tiny power drop off between 2500 and 3000rpm on older models, or wanted to modify it, so it has even more torque down low for some reason and turn it into a complete cruiser. I can happily state it ll go from a stop in second gear without any throttle, slowly, but it will, just use the friction zone. With 72Nm of torque at 5000 rpm, 80% of it at 3000rpm, it now has too much torque for its design, so even if you forget to shift down or find yourself on a climb day-dreaming like the ~300kg / ~660lbs human+gear+motorcycle mural you are, you will pull ahead. Said torque also helps greatly when you fit one of the numerous available windshields, luggage racks and camping setups on your v7 for travelling. You might at best do 1000km / 620miles a day, most likely half of it because you either actually want to enjoy the area, instead of blasting through it, or because you met people and had a chat, per day, but then again You were not trying to buy a Goldwing. While every Guzzi so far has run to abnormal high mileage and only the first two maintenance / service intervals had any larger meaning, the V7 850, at least mine and another 3 owners' I talked to, barely needed any valve adjusting, so I m guessing we ll see another engine from the Moto Guzzi factory outliving its rider, due to engine design simplicity and a shaft drive. There are very small trade-offs between the V7 special and the V7 Stone as per usual, but switching the respective parts over is a matter of a day at most, because everything on this bike, as usual, is "right there". There is no longer issues with fuel filters, or any of those easily / cheaply replaceable parts. The only thing I can fault, is that they do not use titanium bolts everywhere for maximum shine, but I just got those myself, since I ride every single day. It is still not a cheap motorcycle, and it is still owned by Piaggo, so dealerships are mediocre in quality and quantity for most countries. I reckon any semi-skilled mechanic can work on an air-cooled V-Twin if need be and warranty has rarely ever helped anyone with a V7. Mine still has warranty on it as of now, but after reading through the specifics, I cannot see anything worthwile apart from electrical issues, which at best save someone 20% of the original price if all hell broke loose somehow... It helped me with a minor factory mistake by paying the 100-ish € for new steering head bearings. That would be all for now. Kind Regards, Ben
Good morning Ben! Thank you so much for writing this fabulous summary and opinion piece on the bike! It’s very insightful, well written and is a very good read - plus you have, by accident or design, preempted my (not so) cunning plan for my next V7 review. Basically while I’ve got enough footage and the bike has had its first service and is just about run in, for obvious reasons I won’t be able to do any more distance on it. Therefore my plan was to reach out and gather opinions from other V7 owners and summarise in the video. I think with the Guzzi, as it’s such an emotive brand, I want to hear from owners of other bikes to see what it is about Guzzi’s that create such passion. I know I’ve been obsessed with them since I could ride. The other part of the plan is to kick-start my blog and provide a written version of the video review and include again, other riders views and opinions together with images of their own bikes. Basically, I’d like the videos to have a lot more dimensions to them and include not just my own view. The videos will just include my own footage though because as you well know, quality video is hard to achieve and that’s one area I want to keep an eye on. What do you think Ben? Good / bad idea? Any thoughts on improving it? And as you’ve already ‘contributed’ would you be happy for me to use your words with attribution to your good self? Keen to hear what you think. As for your review above / I really notice the weight of the new V7 when pushing it around and you mention it can got to 200KG quite easily. How would you do that? Exhaust presumably? Look forward to hearing back from you, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Good evening Phil and thank You for Your cordial and eloquent (and extraordinarily quick) reply. It was by accident, then, but I love the idea to collect a multitude of impressions and, through Your vocal and visual talent, summarizing it all. Of course You can use any of my impressions. I see You have already collected a lot more diverse and great perspectives on moto guzzi motorcycles since posting the video, in such a brief time. Looks like You are bang on with Your quest! Moto Guzzi truly is an emotive brand, and that is coming from me, someone who rode cruisers and hardtail choppers for years, despite their numerous shortcomings, still fell in love with the V7, when he was given one as a placeholder, while his Springer was being serviced. I reckon most motorcycles need some form of irrational motivation within the buyer / rider to be loved, some more than others (yes, why would anyone want to ride a motorcycle with an absolute lack of any sort of suspension). Some bike manufacturers seemingly refuse to push for rationally / objectively better features. I believe the Neo-Retro category to be the perfect microcosm to observe this phenomenon, and the V7 a great example. It has all the good bits of modern technology, but, while there is the Guzzi V85TT with the same engine (but different valves), it more or less stayed at its performance profile. It improved by a fair bit by increasing the size of the engine, but in order to keep its (and this is purely emotive / subjective ) recognizable and lovable appearance, triggering these nostalgia effects and memories in so many people, as they think back to the V11 Sport, the V8, or the 197X versions of the V7, or at least pictures of them, they did not swap the valves. I am no mechanic, lord knows I call someone every time I do serious work on a motorcycle myself, even after seeing it done so many times in my life and assisting, but even I could make the V7 engine produce more horsepower, which means the team at Moto Guzzi could probably push the same engine beyond our imagination, possibly already have at some point just for the fun of it, but refused to give in to factsheet culture and stuck with emotion. This is a very tough call to make in a world, where producing exclusively in Central Europe and selling on a global scale, is a death sentence for most larger companies' upper level employees. Oh wow, this got serious rather quick now; let me lighten the mood: The 2022 Triumph Street Scrambler's 900cc parallel twin makes 64 horsepower and 59 lb-ft of torque (quote.) The torque is set to peak crazy low, somewhere above 3000, yet below 4000 rpm, but, as I have not been to a dyno-test with one and generally do not trust the internet / manufacturers to give accurate data, I do not know exactly where. The 2021 Moto Guzzi V7's 853cc transverse V-twin makes 65 horsepower and, while the torque curve is a beautiful figure, with 80% available at 3000rpm, it peaks 54 ft/lbs at slightly above or below 5000 rpm, leaving the two motorcycles' engines almost dead even in terms of performance and the buyers to choose with more reasonably important metrics in mind. A friend of mine called it "mad design decisions", but I simply love how every fellow motorcyclist coming my way is being greeted by a big old mustache LED light and a biker wave. As to Your question about weight: Just by swapping out the stock exhaust to Mistral's conical short exhausts, the Guzzi shed 10kgs out of her 218kg wet weight, and that is with the Mistral Conicals being certified Euro5 homologue and not needing a re-tune, while also having DB-Killers in, which basically are just more weight and less noise. The other 8 can easily be lost, via removal of the passenger foot pegs, reducing the saddle to a single, trimming front and rear fenders accordingly, swapping out the smaller parts for lighter iterations of same or smaller scale (e.g. shave a couple grams by getting smaller/shorter mirrors made from lighter and less material, same with other handlebar-allocated objects such as clutch and brake levers) and last but not least, removing or replacing covers on both sides of the motorcycle. If easy does not do it, You could always swap forks and wheels, chop the frame or swap the tank, but I believe this too drastic of a change, so while there is not much "on" the V7, there is still enough to get rid off to make her lose 18kg, especially when the stock exhausts, for whatever reason, are abnormally heavy, presumably to cut costs, yet meet emission standards. Ah, I wrote too much again. Kind Regards, Ben
@@benjamin.f.b. Today I tested the new 850 special and I really liked the bike. Little weird at the beginning because of the engine being transversal but it feels great. My question for you is, you said that you had a VII. I have a good deal on used 2017 VII special but it's more than 300 km away from me. Do you consider the VII a good bike while comparing with the 850? Do you think it is worth the trip to go see it and test it? Thanks! Regards
@@fagundes6666 Hi Fabio, I only now noticed your comment, I am so sorry for my late reply. The V7 mk2 / V7 II is a fine city and country road motorcycle, it has the same charm, or more, as the V7 850. The PRICE on used older V7 II beats the V7 850 by miles, so that alone could be the aspect winning the decision for You. I believe the 850 to be a complete allrounder bike, even two up for 2-5h is fine with the occasional stop, as long as neither of the two ppl riding it are abnormally heavy. Highways are NO problem at all, the 850 pulls harder and goes faster than a naked with an upright riding position should (wind, traction, comfort). I believe the 850 to be 10-20% better overall than the v7mk2, as there is only 4 things which the mk2 does better: price, colorways (up until now), an established aftermarket (there is LOADS of aftermarket stuff for the v7 mk2, and nlt as much for the V7 850, as not everything fits both and the 850 is newer, while the v7 mk2 has even got mk1 parts which fit, so loads of years) and sound (it is not euro5, therefore it can legally go at a noisier rate and be more charming that way, but it s not loud either) The V7 850 fixes every issue the v7 mk2 ever had just by existing. The power difference is very noticeable between the two (i recently ran a mk2 again for 2 days just to have a side by side comparison, it was a stock arrow exhaust one with semi-dead tyres but i really noticed the power difference regardless.) Most differences are so minor, you wouldnt notice them until excessive comparison. For example, I d argue the mk2 is a tiny bit more nimble, but then again the 850 seems more balanced during parking lot maneuvers, and better or more stable on a straight line, regardless of their small difference in ergonomics. It s really the power and the updated tech overall, as well as the stock tyres being good for once, and the lights being superb instead of mediocre, as well as never having to worry about e.g. oil leaks or fuel filters falling apart etc... it s a long list of minor improvements, which could all be done by the buyer to up the standards of a v7mk2 to the v7 850, except for the engine, that one is just flat out better, and the size/weight increase is just not noticeable, while the power is.
@@fagundes6666 Please consider other bikes from other manufacturers as well. The V7 850 is a premium bike for a premium price doing nothing incredible apart from its looks, which are subjective, shaft drive (rare) and tank size (MASSIVE). There are a multitude of similar style bikes from triumph, royal enfield, kawasaki, yamaha, honda and even smaller companies, which through a different aesthetic achieve the same or similar means of transportation: neither of them are racing machines, they are all relaxed rides aiming for comfort, some more than others, sure, but overall every classic motorcycle or even the neo retro category is an upright/near upright riding positioned motorcycle without any extra baggage/luggage/gadgets, going highway speeds just fine and comfortably deal with traffic, or semi-sporty mountain roads and serpentines. Guzzi and Triumph are both at the upper end of the price spectrum, without objectively being better than the rest, unless you just love the transverse engine, shaft drive and tank design, then you have to guzzi, just like some have to bonnie and others needs to go with the kawa w800, the RE interceptor 650 or continental GT, yamaha xsr 700-900 for those who want a more sporty feel and futuristic look, etc etc. They are all great, and motorcycles are expensive, just weigh your options and your wallet before deciding ^^
Buonasera Andrea, grazie per essere passato. Non avrei potuto dirlo meglio io stesso. È una moto molto bella e affascinante. Lo adoro! Spero che tutto vada bene dove sei, ciao, Phil.
I used to own a Honda CX 500 years ago with a similar engine configuration. I used to find that there was somewhat of a gyroscope effect on the engine, which seemed to make the bike not want to turn but instead go straight on like a wheel spinning and getting hold of the axle, wants to keep spinning in one plane and complains when turned.
Hello again! Yeah, there's a tiny bit of that with the Guzzi and of course it rocks to one side when revved in neutral but it's all very insignificant. and even compared to my previous V7, this one steers much more 'normally. I think the 18" front wheel is what gives it an old-school kinda feel, which to be honest, is rather nice. I can't wait to get back on it. Cheers, Phil.
Hi, I'm still not clear why you replaced the V7 III with newer but similar V7 with small incremental improvements. Obviously you liked the V7 enough to stay with MG. Is it worth it for someone with a nice V7 III to spend the extra money for the 850? Looking at it differently: I am currently looking at a new 850 Special, or for a little less money also at 2017 V7 III Anniversario (chrome gas tank, wire wheels, analog gauges, etc.) with 5000 miles, Agostini slip-ons, Hepco & Becker pannier bags, upgraded rear shock and front fork cartridge by Matris, all removed factory parts, full dealer service history.
Good afternoon - yeah good question! I'll do my best to answer it and the first thing to mention is context. Basically, the purchase was the "last keeper before retirement" bike. And looking into the future, I also knew that my Kawasaki Z900RS (as brilliant as it is) would probably get a little bit too much for me at some point. So the keeper had to be a Guzzi - and given I wanted to do lots of long distance trips on it, I felt the additional power of the 850 would provide that. I also had the funds to swap the bikes over... Now having ridden both bikes essentially back to back, the power IS welcome, as is the handling - but the 850 is quite a bit heavier. I don't regret getting the 850 at all - but in reality the V7III did everything I needed it to. On that basis, if funds were tighter, I would have just kept the 750 and added a few parts on it. So, if you've got the opportunity to get a nice 750, well, you won't be disappointed. Just sit on them both see what you think and decide if 50HP Vs 65HP is OK or not. I will say the 750 has more charm though! Hope that helps and thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
So funny to see this , I ordered a special and started the wait ,, Then I stumbled upon your review of the 900rs , I really thought I’d made a mistake with the v7 as I’m coming from an F3 and a line of Ducati before that , I began to think the v7 might be a bit underwhelming , I’ve had mine a month now and I think it’s going to be a keeper , had to up grade the front disc to Brembo as the sunstar rubbish they are fitting clunked the rivets are so loose , I’m Hexham based so maybe our paths may cross , lol I’ve hit the subscribe button .
Morning David, good to hear from you. I guess you had quite a wait also? I found myself changing my mind all the time and needed a good talking to from the wife to settle down. Now that I’ve got it I couldn’t be happier and I think with the extra power it’s got enough poke and speed to be the ‘only’ bike if it came to it. With the old 750, while it wa totally charming I always felt I couldn’t live without a bit more speed, hence a second bike that could provide that. First I’ve heard about the discs, I’ll keep an eye on it - thanks for the tip. I’ll be in mud mode for the next six months, so if you see someone scratching their head while staring at an OS map in the Hexham area it might be me. Thanks for the sub and thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Very nice! I am retired and I've been 10 years without a bike and from what I've seen from TH-cam content makers like yourself the V7 might be just what I need. I'm trying to find a deal on a new V7 Special, but regardless I should have one by the time the weather here in Arizona USA starts cooling down in October. I look forward to more Moto Guzzi content from your channel.
Hey Steve, thanks for dropping by and great to hear from you. Obviously I’m completely biased when it comes to Guzzi’s so I can’t really be trusted to offer an objective opinion but they are proper bikes, lovely to look at, a bit different, take some getting used to but very rewarding to ride and own. Good luck with finding your deal and let me know how you get on. Unfortunately I won’t be able to get much more Guzzi content out as I’ve gone and broken my leg but normal service will I hope be resumed next year 😀 Have a good day, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews From the TH-cam videos I've watched most owners are very fond of their Moto Guzzi's. If so many owners all speak about the bikes in the same fashion they must excellent motorcycles indeed and do the job they were designed for very well. I've gotten some quotes on a new 2022 Special but I think I'll wait until the 2023's hit the showroom's before making a purchase just be sure I don't miss out on anything, plus I expect there might be new paint schemes coming? Get well soon, hopefully you'll be fully healed and back on your bike this spring!
That’s one of the best descriptions of the suspension I’ve heard yet…crashy. I have a 2010 v7 classic and love the bike, but the suspension exactly as you described, crashy. Sometimes I feel like my rump is about to cave in when going over basic road imperfections. Gorgeous new 850 you have!
Hello! Thanks for stopping by. I’m glad the description worked and like you, it doesn’t stop me from enjoying the bike at all. I imagine you’ve got used to gently raising yourself off the seat when something challenging is heading your way on the road. Let’s face it, who wants a perfect Guzzi? As for the 850, thanks, it is really quite gorgeous and winter can’t end soon enough. Hope all is well where you are and happy Christmas, cheers, Phil.
Merry Christmas - great to know you’re loving your bike….I think I may have said the same thing a few times 😀 But yeah, it’s lovely! Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Hello again, well it makes a ‘different’ noise depending when it’s in or out but it’s not noisy as in loud. Basically it rattles a little when it’s out but is quiet when in! Cheers, Phil.
THANK YOU sir. Question please. Is there any/much 'engine braking' on the MG? What is it like? And how would you describe the seat comfort? Many thanks. Regards.
Hello, great to hear from you & thanks for stopping by. In answer to your questions, yes, there is engine braking and it’s very progressive and useful coming up to bends or other situations. If you change down and let the clutch out you just need to be aware of how the shaft drive reacts and make sure the revs are nicely matched and feed the clutch out. You can’t bang it down the gearbox like a truly modern bike and get the back wheel skipping! It becomes second nature after a few rides. As for the seat comfort - it’s one of the best! Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH sir. GREATLY APPRECIATED. (I mean it, it means a LOT to me.) ALL the VERY BEST. Greetings from the land of 'OZ'. (Australia)
I had a V7II, and now I have the V7 850. The V7II was rough, the 850 is more refined (for a Guzzi). The new tyres are a big upgrade, the Pirelli Sport demon were terrible when cold. The Dunlop's have more grip, I feel more comfortable leaning.
Hey Hugo, thanks for stopping by. Yes, I agree with all those points in comparison to my old V7III also. Especially the tyres / the OE Pirelli’s we’re just plain evil and I don’t think I ever got them warmed up enough to see their good side and to be honest, I doubt they have one! Hope you’re well, cheers, Phil.
What more could a person want Robert? Also it’s three bikes - yeah, I know, I’m spoiled rotten 😀 Hope all is well where you are, thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
So - Been a big Guzzi fan for years! and looking at the V7 to keep my Enfield Bullet 500 efi Classic happy. (it gets lonely!). Retirement is now only 2 months away (yippeee) and going to treat myself to one. Question is be it the 750 v3 or the new 850... Just gonna have to try both! Then again there is the V9....oh dear !
Hey Mel, thanks for stopping by. Yeah tricky decision…and neither is wrong, both are brilliant. As for the V9, well, it’s not the best handling bike or rather it does have a very different vibe. Back to the V7 the 850 has a bit more heft and speed about it, while the 750 has less but is charming like a clockwork cuckoo clock. So yes, try both - specs tell us nothing. That won’t help but sure you’ll have fun trying! Happy retirement and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
What boots you are wearing in your video? Looking for something that tall for track days and I like the look of them because they don't look like complete power ranger boots.
Hello! I’ve been wearing / using Daytona boots for ever…expensive but fabulous and waterproof. I tend to get 10 years out of a pair after much abuse and miles. Not sure if they are particularly for track days (more a touring boot) but I’m sure they offer enough protection even if they don’t have toe sliders…Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Daytona boots are indeed great and they'd last even longer than 10 yrs. if you were using the Daytona shoe polish 😂. The state yours are in is lamentable (5:03 - 5:12, no offense) 😉. Daytona which is a owner-managed mid-size company in Bavaria (nice portrait of the company here: th-cam.com/video/Aa7beEeLFpU/w-d-xo.html , unfortunately no subtitles) even offers to renew the sole of their boots and you may send them in for any type of repair. Can't tell if this is economically reasonable for UK owners.
Morning Thomas, there is special Daytona shoe polish? Wow! Lamentable boots…I feel ashamed, what can I say 😀 Thing is they are so comfortable I’ve used them for off road riding, doing the gardening, decorating as well as probably 100’s of thousands of miles. What really wrecked them was UK winter riding when they got soaked in salty water and of course, never got washed. Good links though, possibly not workable in these times of Brexit but I will speak to the financier and see what can be done 😀 Cheers, Phil.
Buenas tardes, gracias por visitarnos y espero que todo esté bien en Chile! Me encantaría visitar un día! Personalmente, diría que viajar con un pasajero en el CRF, ciertamente para distancias más largas, no sería muy bueno. Es una bicicleta pequeña, con un asiento duro y creo que sentirías que el rendimiento se resiente bastante. Sin embargo, si usted y su pasajero pueden soportar eso, seguro que podría funcionar. Tal vez la versión Rally podría ser una mejor opción. ¡Todavía recomendaría la actualización de la suspensión ya que dos personas (a menos que sean muy livianas) aplanarían la suspensión! Solo, con equipaje estaría bien y tengo la intención de hacerlo en algún momento. Espero que ayude, gracias por mirar y espero que todo esté bien contigo, Salud, Phil.
Hey Alex, well, wanting a Guzzi has nothing to do with power, specs and handling. It’s about wanting one for a reason you can’t quite understand but is like an itch. The fact that the V7 does handle well and has enough power now, is like icing on the cake. Dynamically the BMW is a fabulous bike and quite emotive also. Personally BMW’s don’t do it for me in this class of bike and Guzzi’s do…It could be the opposite for other folk. Yeah, sat on the fence so…Guzzi’s are special and if that’s important to you, you know what to do! Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
Hi Alex. Currently have a V7 850 have owned a R9T Racer in the past. V7 is a more chilled ride and much much more comfortable. R9T was a harder ride and the engine was not as revvy or sweet IMHO. Yes more powerful and faster but not massively so and who wants to go fast anyway?
I did enjoy your videos about your green Moto Guzzi V7. How do you like the newer model? I am looking forward to see your next video about this bike when it is broken in. Keep the good quality going!
Hey Vincent, thanks for stopping by and great to you’re enjoying the videos. As for the newer model, I still stand by my comment that it’s more effective yet has lost a tiny bit of charm. Although, it was really starting to get under my skin. I think once it’s run in and I can use all the rev range and get some proper miles on it, all will fine! More videos to come soon, hope you’re well, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Hi Phil, thank you for the answer. Everything well over here. On your side too? I am anxious about the next video's of your beautifull Guzzi.
Hey Rob, thanks very much, great to know you enjoy the reviews. Like you I wanted one forever. They’re all reliable these days and great in their own way, so looks and the flip of a coin should do the trick. That won’t help at all but you’ll know the right thing to do at some point. Thanks for stopping by, hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
I have a Honda CB1100ex and it is like a Swiss watch. I have a Guzzi Roamer and it is more like a cement mixer. I do like the Guzzi and find it the one I prefer to ride.
Good morning Mr. Williams - great to hear from you & thanks for stopping by. Really appreciate your comments and very glad to hear you enjoyed the video. All the best, hope you're warm (if in the UK or Iowa), cheers, Phil.
Hello! I was curious how your Moto Guzzi has been in terms of reliability? Also how do you find the handling of it compared to the z900rs? I currently have a z650rs, and its an amazing bike, does everything so well. However I test rode a 2023 v7 850 and it was intoxicating. Something about how unrefined it was, and the way it was shaking while riding, I keep thinking about it. Do you think I would regret selling my z650rs for the moto guzzi? I've mostly owned refined Japanese bikes, but something about the Moto Guzzi tempts me so.
Good morning and great to hear from you. In terms of your question I personally only speak about my V7III (the 750) on which I did around 10,000 miles as I had to sell my 850 with only 900 miles on it due to post accident mobility problems. Anyway, the 750 was spot on, no problems at, keep it in oil and it will go on forever. I took it for 2500 mile Euro tour one year and it was totally brilliant - used no oil and nothing weird happened and it was fun, comfortable and economical. Compared to the RS the handling of the Guzzi’s is perfectly fine but it’s ‘old fashioned’ mainly because of the 18’’ front wheel. Undoubtedly the RS on some sort of empirical scale handles ‘better’ a lot of which is down to the suspension, as the suspension on the Guzzi’s is basic and crashy. Despite that you can push on quite well on the Guzzi - it’s just different. Some folk don’t like Guzzi’s precisely because of the traits you mention - they rattle, rumble and do things their own way such that the rider has to spend time to learn how and when to get the best out of them. The RS on the other hand, within fives minutes of getting on it, you know what it’s going to do and when. I guess it’s the difference between an acquired taste and a strawberry ice cream 😀 Would you regret selling the Z650? Not for me to say but practically they do about the same job so it’s down to what you want out of a bike. Which one will make you smile more, even if it’s nominally less perfect on paper? Which one will make you smile more on opening the garage door? My plan for the future was to keep my 900RS until such time I no longer wanted the speed of a big bike and the Guzzi would be my forever bike just because I found it irresistibly charming to ride and look at. Hope that helps, let me know what you decide to do and thanks for watching, cheers, Phil. P.s. is you check out the other 850 video it features lots of remarks from other owners. Also, if any Guzzi owners are reading this, please feel free to give your thoughts, thanks 😊
@@80eightReviews Thank you for all the information! Sorry to hear about your accident, hope your recovery is going well. That's good to hear your V7 750 was reliable. Haha that analogy makes sense of why some people like the Moto Guzzi for the same reason others do not! The Moto guzzi felt the closest to my old Yamaha DS7 I used to have. It felt like an older less capable bike compared to my z650rs, but had so much character I was grinning the whole time riding. I suppose my regret question is partly wondering If I would be sacrificing too much giving up the z650rs, but it sounds like the Moto Guzzi is still a capable enough bike even if less so. That's interesting you mention the speed and confidence of the z900rs, which I know in your video you mentioned was partly a factor in your accident. I have been riding 15 years, but just came back after not for 3 years. Being older now, safety has been a bigger concern getting back into riding. I do already find myself driving a bit more recklessly then I would like with the z650rs and the confidence the handling inspires, and wonder if the Moto Guzzi would help tone that down for me. Perhaps I will see if the dealership will allow me to test drive the Moto Guzzi again, and see how I feel after that. Greetings from the US!
I've 5 grand on my '21 stone (matte black} now and so far am very happy with it. I am confused though why mine has the old bulbous incandescent indicators and not the nice slim ones like yours (LED?). Are they OEM or aftermarket? I sure would like to get a set for mine. Have not seen them as replacement parts anywhere either. Maybe it's a U.S. thing.
Good morning, thanks for stopping and good to know you’re enjoying the V7. As for the indicators they are the OEM fitment here and look the same as the ones shown in the Guzzi promo shots - at least on the European website. And yes, they are LED…I think! The 750’s had bulbous white lens filament bulbs, are yours like that then? Might be a US thing if so. Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Mine are identical to the 750, look nothing like the 850 promo pics, US website says indicators are not LED but yet in promo pics they are. They are the main thing I want to change besides the exhaust, which I did swap out for the Mistral set already. Am confused why US market didn't get the LED version. Perhaps due to production shortages or US DOT certification. The fact that the LED version does exist though suggests they may be available here eventually. Thanks.
Yeah, that’s a bit of a drag. Must admit I was somewhat disappointed when I found out the CRF300L model we get in Europe doesn’t feature the LED lighting they get over in Thailand. Most unfair!
Hey Gabriele, hope you’re doing well. The app is called goprotelemetryextractor.com/ and while it can be a bit fiddly it’s definitely worth persevering with, hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
Ive got a black V7 850 Stone in June this year. Just coming up to second service, its brilliant. Once first service is done it gets better. Gear box is defintely clunky for the first couple of thousand miles, and neutral can sometime be a bit shall we say Guzzi like. The engine is great, overtakes where I would be cogging down to 3rd on the V7III, can be taken in 4th or even 5th on the 850 Yes the front forks arent brill but still improvement over the V7III (I had one for about 10 months and did 6000 miles and sawpped it for the 850). Ive done a few night rides and the headlight is great. I really dont notice the weight. I have a 750 Nevada and it feels a way heavier to push around than the V7 850. As to what I prefer between the V7III and the V7 850, give me the 850 any day.
Hello, thanks for stopping by - good to hear your thoughts on the bike. I’m totally expecting the bike to improve as you say - my 750 really got to its best around 5000 miles so I’m expecting something similar with the 850. Now that I’ve had chance to do a couple of longer rides on the 850 I really notice the much improved handling, rear suspension and power, so I’m glad I made the change - like you say you can hang on to higher gears and the bike now properly squirts forward on the throttle, which is great. I’m OK with the weight - just I have a slope out of my garage and I have to put a bit more effort into it now! Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Know what you mean about slope out of garage have one of those too. After shoving my Spada or Nevada up it the V7 seems easier. Still exercise is supposed to be good for you
As far as Italian bikes, I have owned a ducati 860, moto morini 500 camel, laverda 3cl 1000, cagiva 650, and currently have a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 and a 2013 Moto Guzzi Stone 750. Have owned several German bikes to include BMW and Zundaps. Grew up with British bikes--meaning Triumph and BSA. Have never been interested in Harley. Owned several Suzuki's to include 2-stroke models and the Wankel rotary 750. The Moto Guzzis have been my favorite above all the rest. Quirky, reliable, tractor-like in that the Japanese "refinement" is not there--but if you love just being connected to machinery and sound--Moto Guzzi!--mike battle
Good afternoon, that sounds like a proper Italian passion. Totally get the quirky thing and that’s why I like the juxtaposition of my Z900 and the V7. It’s like electric VS Steam, digital VS analogue. And you had an RE-5! I remember seeing one of those years ago in a shop on Deansgate in Manchester and gazing in amazement at it (I had a GP100 at the time) - not so much the engine, but at the clocks housed in a transparent tube on top of the headlight. Taking the idea of ‘rotary’ way too far! Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Thanks for a very interesting alcohol fuelled analysis. Now 73, I have not ridden for 8 years but am tossing up between a used (and no doubt overpriced ) V7 III and a new 850cc model. I'm probably more confused now! I wouldn't put money on your future plans for no more new bikes in retirement, once in the blood...
Hey Peter, thanks for stopping by, glad you enjoyed the review even if it didn’t help too much 😊 Either bike is a delight to own and ride and both will put a smile on your face. You can’t go wrong. As for retirement plans, ha ha, I’ll back to you on that! Hope all is well where you are, let me know where the dilemma takes you, cheers, Phil.
Hobgoblin King Goblin, pretzels and Suzi Perry are my go to after a ride on my V7 iii now shod with Bridgestone BT 46 ‘s. So much better than the Demonics as you said. Almost jumped from my two year old V7 to the 850 but will give it a year to see if other versions come out, maybe a Rough? Just a quick question, is the seat height any different? Very important for my 29” inside leg measurement 😩. Great review as always and really looking forward to future updates 👍🏻
Hey Jez, yeah that’s not a bad combo to be honest. King goblin is much richer and special than the standard stuff and a cream cheese pretzel hits the mark. And Suzi is the constant, so no argument there! As for the 850, I totally expect there will be some nice variations coming out next year. But I refuse to look at them or be tempted. Though if a LeMans or Stornello popped up I’d be selling a kidney. On the seat height it feels exactly the same as before although it might be a touch wider so I don’t think you’d have any problems. More coming soon! Hope all is well where you are, thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
Love the video. I was always wondering if it was worth the upgrade. As it's my first street bike, I'm very happy with my 2020 V7 Stone S. The last of the 750's! It came with the Dunlop arrow tires and the different non-eagle LED headlight from the factory.. but the centernario is a gorgeous bike and I'd probably have one if they had one at the dealer when I was buying.. Cheers from Texas!
Good morning - thanks for your comments and great to know you enjoyed the video. Your 2020 V7 is a brilliant bike and I do think unless you’ve got particular reasons for upgrading and/or absolutely need that extra power, then it’s a marginal decision - aside from looks etc. I’m now really enjoying the power but on the 750 I was perfectly happy with it anyway! One for a test ride I think! Hope all is well is in Texas, greetings from the UK, cheers, Phil.
Hi Phil, glad to see you finally got your bike. Great videos, made all the difference for me in my decision, very happy with my 850 in orange! It's transformed the way I ride, on my old sports bike it was all about maximum speed everywhere, but on the Guzzi I enjoy it at all speeds; it's just such an engaging thing to be on. It's not fast, but it's fast enough, and can keep up a surprising amount of speed on cross country blats. Think the handling is my favourite bit, it's so much better than you think it'll be! Looking out at heavy snow now so time to tuck it up for winter. Thanks again Wilf
Hey Wilf, thanks for dropping by again and yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It’s a zero pressure, max fun motorbike. I don’t know about you but I do like to feel as though I’m properly working a bike and getting a lot out of it and as you say on faster machines, that tends to mean only one thing…despite that being much fun it can be rather intense and not to mention licence and life threatening. Plus I’m rubbish and the roads round here are so bumpy that it’s kinda pointless for me anyway. We’ve no snow yet but blimey it’s cold, so likewise with mine and it’s time for the CRF to earn it’s keep. Have a good Christmas and no doubt we’ll both resurface in the summer. Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
Stunning motorcycle. I am not even a rider but I love it. Now beginning to think getting into motorcycle. Would you recommend to start riding on this guzzi v7? Or is it too much? For the man in his forties.
Good morning and good to hear from you - plus it's good to know you like the bike! As for starting riding - presumably you'll be learning on smaller / lighter bike to begin with, but when moving on to something bigger the Guzzi would be just fine. It's not too overpowering, it's super easy to ride and the handling is lovely. There are probably bikes that have more 'normal' characteristics (say like a CB500) which won't rock from side to side when revving or have a slightly odd gear change feel (as does the Guzzi), but none of those things are problematic - they are just things to get used to. Hope that helps and let me know what you decide to do, All the best, cheers, Phil.
Yeah I have the same question.. I’ve riden many a scooter (125) and drive a manual car.. I kinda want to jump straight to this. Good idea? Or should start smaller?
Hello! Personally, I’d say you would be just fine. Probably the most significant thing to get used to is the weight compared to a smaller bike. Despite that the V7 is super easy to ride, has a low seat height and is very comfortable. Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
My V7iii gearbox was very sludgy when cold until i did the first service. The original fluid was way down and probably full of grease or something. New fluid and it was right as rain.
Good morning Johnny, thanks for stopping by and interesting to hear about your gearbox experiences. I had my first service a while back and that also seemed to improve things. I can't try it now though -hopefully in 2023! Cheers, Phil.
Great to hear you're enjoying the 850. I suspect part of the extra weight is the Euro 5 exhaust. I'm betting the accessories catalog would solve it - to the disappointment of your bank balance. Safe riding.
Thanks very much - I’ve now totally ‘got’ the 850 and love it to bits. Yes, I think your right, the exhaust is much bigger now, plus the rear wheel and shaft drive are much more chunkier than before. At the moment, I’m preferring the bank balance to reducing the weight though 😀 Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Hi. Thanks for the great videos. Long story but pretty sure we ve swapped bikes 😊 You got the centenario I ordered (waited so long I took the first available v7 into motech which was a light blue stone) and I ve bought your old green one for my sweetheart who is learning to ride at the moment.
Evening Paul, ha, oops - that might be the case. I ordered the light blue one back in February! We should gang up on Mark @ Motech and find out what was going on 😀 Great to know you got my old V7 though, your other half will absolutely love it. Would be interesting to get your thoughts on the two bikes now you’ve got them in the same garage. I’ve decided the 850 has a different sort of charm to the V7III but it is still totally Guzzi. Anyway, great to know you enjoyed the video and maybe see you Byker at some point! Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews I think Mark was totally frustrated with the whole situation of not having the bikes come in but he was great with us and I can't fault him. 😀 We should have a guzzi family reunion over a coffee...and a biscuit of course 😉 I ordered in Feb aswell, but only actually passed my tests in Sept so the 850 is my first bike and like you I saw the le man's on a magazine cover and knew if/when I got a bike it would be a guzzi. I ve rode both now and love your 750 for so many reasons but love the 850 for others...its win win as I love them both. Just hope jo can get through her tests ASAP so she can enjoy the guzziness. Thanks for the reply, and hope to grab that coffee sometime. Keep up the great videos 🙏
Hey Paul, yeah Mark, Neil and crew at Motech are absolutely brilliant - I was bugging them every month, knowing full well it wasn’t their doing and they were really flexible and understanding. Plus whenever I took my old V7 in for a service it always came back in tip-top condition. They are brilliant and gave me a great trade-in on the green one! As you quite rightly say, the bikes are different and have different aspects to enjoy. I’ve longed thought, like some mad Guzzi collector I really every model of V7 in every colour, including a Stornello….. As for a reunion, I think at the moment the emotions are too raw…I need green bike closure..I’ll be alright next year though 😀
@@80eightReviews haha yeah I get that. If I won the lottery I'd be a crazy collector but for now I'm just grateful for realising my lifelong dream of being on two wheels. Yeah i was more thinking next year, I doubt I ll be riding through the winter and happy to be a fair weather rider till I get more experience. Cheers 🍻
I'm starting to get an interest in this bike - the blue and chrome special version. You're a bad influence Phil! Does it have a fuel gauge or low fuel warning light at all? Couldn't see one in video? Cheers, Jon.
Hey Jon, I think you do need to get. It opens up a strange and beautiful new world of charm and experience. As for the fuel warning - you'll never need one as it does 250 miles to tank which is a good thing as 1) The stone / centenario has no fuel gauge or warning light while 2) The special does has a fuel warning light, which if my previous V7 was anything to go by, typically comes on at 200 miles when you've got around 4 - 5 litres left. You'll just get used to the old fashioned way of setting the trip every time you fill up which in any case, then allows you to keep a spreadsheet of calculated fuel consumption and do nice graphs and charts and things. Its whole new world as I said! Cheers, Phil.
Hey Jon, let me know how you get on! If it feels weird, or indeed it feels like an actual machine, as opposed to something from the digital era - that is the correct response and means you really need one 😀 Cheers, Phil.
Morning! Well, it's a great bike already but sorting out the rear shocks with some quality items, would really improve it. And if you sort out the front forks also you'd have a fabulous machine with suspension to match. Good to hear from you again, cheers, Phil.
You know what…so would I. Despite what I said in the video I might change my mind and swap something if Guzzi brought one out…Thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
Hi there, great review thanks. I've been pondering buying a V7 850 special but feel at 6ft tall it may be a tad too small for me, I would greatly value your thoughts on this. Happy new year and Cheers from Consett.
Hello and hope all is well is Consett this morning. Obviously you need to try it, but the bike is very roomy from a seat to pegs to handlebar perspective and despite the usual fear of hitting the cylinders with your knees that’s unlikely. It’s a very low bike which might make the bike feel “too small” when at a standstill but I would imagine that riding won’t be a problem. For reference I’m 5’10 / 32” leg. I guess it will be more about preference and whether the bike might feel a little “toy-like” as opposed to outright comfort - which I reckon will be fine. If you’re looking at carrying a pillion though, then yeah, it might be somewhat compromised. Hope that helps & thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
I’m on it Thomas. I might include a trend line also and currently thinking stacked 3D bar chart with pivot table? Love a good pivot table. I’m keeping well Thomas, likewise to you, cheers, Phil.
That’s shocking. Life isn’t worth living. We nearly ran out of dishwasher tablets the other day which could have been a total disaster. Going back to Twiglets though, the Christmas ones in a big drum are my favourite, they always seem to be really crunchy and savoury. Right, I’ve just had a snack attack…thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
As a past owner .. targa 750...breva1100 ive always had a twitch to return.... can it fit in shed next too himalayan and vstrom 1050xt......twitch twitch twitch....🥴🥴🥴atb .. 🍺
Hey Dave, well, if you don’t follow the twitch it can have many an unintended consequence and you can’t risk that. So best to follow, scratch the itch, etc. And while I don’t know your shed, of course it will fit 😀 And what a perfect trio that would make! As always, thanks for stopping by (again), hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
All good here at Biscuit Central, Phil! I think the V7 is possibly your ideal bike, as it's left field, slightly eccentric & doesn't follow the herd. 🤭 I'm with you on the Fullers, as London Pride is my default pint, but it's a shame the speedo's eagle emblem doesn't look like Guiseppe Garibaldi's moustache, because then you'd have a really cool Italian biscuit reference as well. Tell you what, you can have that one for free! 😉
Evening Hugh, I think it is…Since doing the filming I managed to get out on a longer ride, felt the TE Lawrence vibe and thought it would be fun to try some gravel…so fully bonded now. I think I was hanging on to a previous affair, which is never good is it? As for a pint of Pride, oh yes - even as a semi-professional northerner I have to admit it’s right up there. I think I associate it with those gorgeous London pubs with green ceramic tiles and dodgy geezers at the bar. Perfect! Garibaldi…Damn, spot on! It also reminds me of Alexei Sayle and his riff on the “revolutionary biscuits” of Italy, featuring the Garibaldi and Bourbon…Yeah, so I might have that 😀 Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
I like the “special” edition with the dual clocks and the chrome hand rails. Beautiful piece of machinery! I’ve never ridden one, yet, but it reminds me of the Harley Davidson 883 I used to own in that it rattles and shakes and acts like something from 50 years ago. I think this is probably a better version of a “modern retro” than the Harley sportster? Don’t know for sure, but it makes a little bit more power and weighs quite a bit less, and the suspension has to be better than the Harley as no self respecting motorcycle manufacturer could qualify whatever Harley uses as “suspension” except……well, you know.
Hey Robby, thanks for stopping by - it’s good to hear from you. Yes, the Special is totally lovely and like you I do prefer the twin clocks - it’s just I’ve a got a thing for matt paintwork and black exhausts 😀 And if you like machines which shake, rumble, rattle and roll - you would love the Guzzi. In someways it’s just an old bike that’s been made modern and while I’ve only ever ridden a Harley a million years ago (1200 Sportster for like 2 miles), I reckon your comparison is probably about right! The suspension on the Guzzi is basic but it does the job and it does handle very nicely and consistently. If you do end up with one, it would be great to know what you think. All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thanks for the reply and the wonderful review! I currently own a ‘21 Harley Davidson softail, Low Rider S and it’s a hoot of a bike! I love it! I am thinking seriously about something smaller and more nimble however to add to the collection. I really like the looks and reviews of the Kawasaki z900rs, but this Guzzi has really captured my interest! There’s just something about it that’s so unique and interesting? If things work out, I could possibly end up with both but no need to get greedy. There is a MG dealer in town, Tulsa, Oklahoma, but no Kawasaki dealer? No Triumph either? Not a deal breaker by any means but something to consider for sure. If push comes to shove I’m really leaning towards this V7. Anyway, thanks again and I’ll keep you posted.
Hey Oliver, how are you doing? Ok, I refuse to answer! Oh alright, I’ll answer in a slightly different way: If it was one bike for the next five years : The Z900RS. It’s fast, whooshy, exciting and I still need a bit of that every so often. It’s gorgeous and lovely but not as charming as the Guzzi. It is amazing though. Basically I’d sell it and then buy a Guzzi! If was one bike for the rest of my life : The Guzzi. It’s a bike I can see myself riding for a very long time both from the perspective of my ability to ride, what I want to do with my riding and the fact that it’s a bike to really grow into. Plus it will only look more lovely with age, it will get more charismatic, rarer and more interesting. And I guess I don’t want to be oiling chains when I’m 75. It will also be much cheaper to run than the Z when I retire. And that’s kinda the plan…I fully expect to sell the Z when it either maybe gets too much for me or I just don’t need the speed and handling anymore. Hopefully that’s quite a while away though. I also kinda expect to go electric at that point and assuming there is no petrol left I’ll turn the Guzzi into a dinner table or something. Hope that helps. Can I keep the CRF though? 😀 Anyway thanks for stopping by, hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thank you for the reply-as comprehensive & interesting as I expected! I’m yet to test ride a V7 (nearest dealership is not close by), though I enjoyer the z900rs when I tried it. I’m still enjoying my first proper bike-a modified Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor & I suspect the V7 may be next. Thank you for the videos & replies.
Lovely bike. I've never had a modern goose but had an 850 Le mans a while back now i have a Le Mans 1000. Beatutiful machine with souk and spirit. Ditch your echaust and bilund some termiglionis on it let it breathe. Are you the same person who did reviews on the SJCam years ago. If so, thank you. I have a couole of them. Great little cameras.
Morning, thanks for stopping by. Ahhh a LeMans….very nice! As for the SJCam, no it wasn’t me I’m afraid but good to know they are working out for you. Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Hi there, thank you for sharing the video and congratulations on your new bike. I'm very very tempted with the new V7 but I'm concerned about the weight as I'm only 164cm and about 60kg (pre-covid lockdowns) Does the weight of the bike feel similar on both old and new while riding? Is the weight of the bike more so a problem when moving around by foot? Cheers :)
Morning Antonella, thanks for stopping by, glad you enjoyed the video. As for the weight, it’s absolutely not noticeable while riding - indeed the 850 feels more nimble and easier to handle than the 750. I only notice it particularly as I have a slope in front of where I store the bike so pushing the 850 compared to the 750 does need noticeably more effort. On the level ground though it’s fine + the seat height is just as low as the 750. So yes, it’s only noticeable when pushing it around on foot really. Hope that helps and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
I am well the wrong side of 60 but still riding the same Guzzi Spada mark 1 that I bought in my 20s... I love it even more now. Ridiculously downtuned engine, agricultural gearbox, looks like a motorbike not a marvel comic wannabe, light and small, the easiest handling of any bike I have ever ridden... the perfect old bloke bike! but if I were going to get a new one (that warranty comment made me think) yup, that 850 looks good indeed.
Good evening - great to hear from you - Spada MK1 - lovely! And you’ve had it for 40 years or so? Brilliant. I wouldn’t mind one of those at all - beautiful looking bike…and practical. The V7 850 would feel like it’s from another planet in some ways (gearbox is smooth and clutch is light for instance) but I reckon you’d still feel the unmistakable Guzzi vibe and shake though. Anyway, great to hear from you, thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
Hey Les, thanks for stopping by and great to know the work is appreciated. As for the V100, it seems to be a cracking bike and I would be sorely tempted if it wasn’t for my dodgy leg, which, I think is going to restrict me to feet forward 2 wheelers from now on. Not to worry 😀 If you decide to get one, let me know! All the best, cheers, Phil.
Morning Andrew....Thanks for stopping by and yeah...I know exactly what you mean...Charm is an undefinable thing and as per the video I still believe the 850 has had a little bit shaven off compared to my previous V7III. I rode the V7II on a test ride and that had even more charm, though on balance the slightly better handling on the V7III (and power) swung it. I think anyone coming to the bike 'new' anyone would still think it's one of the most charming / subtly idiosyncratic bikes out there. I'd say when it comes to swap, head for the V7III first - loads out there at good prices and see what you think. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Hey Andrew, and the best thing about that is your bike is going to look even more lovely, so performance etc, is immaterial. You have absolutely the right attitude, cheers, Phil.
Enjoy your new Guzzi :) as I have some more years to work before enjoying my pension…. I stay a bit longer with my V7 III special 🤣 Great video again… looking forward to see your next one. Cause if the main actor is a Guzzi or the Honda (I ride a crf 250l too) the chance to see my favourite bikes is 2:3 😂 Cheers 🍻 from Germany
Hello! Thanks very much, great to know you enjoyed the video. It should be a CRF video coming next, not sure when yet but hopefully before Christmas…Hope all is good in Germany and the V7 is going well. Prost! Cheers, Phil.
Hi thanks for the video. I have just diacovered yohr channel and hoping to test drive a z900 in the next few weeks. What do you uae to produce the tracks and inclination overlays on the video as I have never seen this before. Thanks and enjoy.
Hey John, thanks for stopping and glad you enjoyed the video - let me know how you get on with the test ride. As for the telemetry overlays I use an application called "Telemetry Overlay" goprotelemetryextractor.com/telemetry-overlay-trial You'll need GoPro or other camera that records GPS then you just import the footage, choose which gauges you want then export either the overlay only or the combined footage. It works well but can be computer resource hungry. Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
Good afternoon...You're right - that could very much be the perfect V7 variant...I'm sure they'll bring something out like that at some point as lots of folk have mentioned it. Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Hey Rodrigo, how are you doing and thanks for stopping by. Porters, oh yes - any particular favourites you can recommend? Here in the UK as per the video Fullers and also Samuel Smiths are cracking beers. I’ve had Anchor porter also which is very nice! Glad you enjoyed the Guzzi review and it too is a very flavoursome and rich little motorcycle 😀 Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Hi Phil, I’m from Chicago and there is a local brewery from Wisconsin, Lakefront Brewery, that has a coffee stout that is delicious. Looking to get Guzzi a like yours soon. I like the all black and the color scheme you got.
Hey Rodrigo, well, it’s unlikely I’ll get your local brew over here but it sounds delicious. If I’m ever in Wisconsin… Ooh good choice on the Guzzi, I do really like the flat black one - and the only reason I got the anniversario version is that it was a cancelled order. Anyway, let me know how you get on when you make your purchase, cheers, Phil.
Hah, cracking video, i dont have a guzzi yet but i have yours for this evening, i have a beer and went to motogp last week so its BSB on catchup tonight. I do have a cb650 im really bonding with, im tempted by a guzzi but will the drop in 30hp make me cry? Im not sure. I do like the idea of one before everything goes electric though as i did my test on a ducati monster so the need for crazy design and character is there. 😎👍
Hey Pete, how are you doing? Blimey, sounds like to me you have the perfect life! I’m sure it’s well deserved 😀 I think you’ll be OK with the drop in power if you did go with the Guzzi, torque makes up for a lot plus, when you look down at the tank, see the eagle and those two cylinders sticking out, you’ll feel all warm and smiley inside. This is what Guzzi’s do to a person 😀 Of course though, you do meet the nicest people on a Honda! But, if mad design and character is your thing, the Guzzi has it in spades. Anyway, if you decide to make the jump, let me know! Hope all is well, thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Thanks for the great review on the swill and the bike. I love that I can have long legged and easy to live with. In my youth i have tried and failed miserably hit that nirvana. I am long in the tooth and a happy enuich now with my pleasantly charming dwarf of a wife. I look forward to livinng out the dreams of my youth with my Italian beauty.
Thanks Abe, good to have you back. How’s the voice? Quite high pitched? Look after yourself, dreams of one’s youth can create a degree of trouble, but I’m sure you’ll be fine. Happy 2022! Cheers, Phil.
I took redundancy and early(ish) retirement earlier this year and put my redundancy pay-off into an 850 Centenario. 1200 miles in a loving it so far
Morning Jim…I’m liking the retirement vibe and what an excellent thing to do. Gotta be better than a caravan….Great to know you’re enjoying it so far and thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
I too am a gentleman of a certain age who swapped a v7 iii for a v7 850. I ride all year round and did about 6,000 miles on the v7 iii and have so far racked up 5,500 miles on the v7 850 in 9 months of ownership.. I went for the 850 special for the the twin analogue clocks (single, offset clocks trigger my OCD), wire wheels and because, for me, bikes need to be shiny.
I loved my v7 iii but the new model has much better handling, suspension, tyres, lighter clutch and the extra power makes overtaking much easier. I think the difference is rather more than your scientific 8%. I have made a few mods to my 850: a Givi fly screen (helps smooth wind flow and protects the clocks), heated grips, Halcyon bar end mirrors (which fold in and save garage space) and Hepco and Becker racks and C-bow panniers. I am having a centre stand (to save garage space and help cleaning and maintenance) and engine protection bars fitted at its next service. The only problem I have had is that the miles per gallon read-out is wrong but this is being dealt with under warranty.
I know the new bike is heavier but, to be honest, I don’t really notice it even when pushing it around, and I am most definitely a wimp. It helps that the weight is low down, making slow riding easy. I love the large fuel tank and it’s 250 mile range (I get 60-65 mpg on North Yorkshire’s finest A and B roads). Carrying 21 litres of fuel adds to the weight but is a small price to pay to minimise trips to the petrol station. A smaller tank would do wonders for the published wet weight but I know what I would rather have.
As someone short in the leg, I also love the sensible seat height and ergonomics: I can ride for hours in comfort. The ABS and traction control are enough for me: I don’t want the fragile complexity of 150 rider modes that I would never use, computerised suspension, radar-controlled cruise control, keyless ignition, a games console…
For me, the Guzzi v7 850 is that very rare combination of form and function. It does all I need brilliantly , has classic looks with real character and never fails to put a smile on my face.
Good afternoon and thanks for your interesting thoughts on the 850. All very good points and well made. I think my perfect version of the 850 would be the Stone/Centenario with the clocks and headlight from the Special (I prefer mag wheels from a puncture repair perspective) plus I do like the matt black exhausts. I've only done 500 miles on mine so far and once it's run in I'm sure I'll really notice the extra power and handling - so I'm fully prepared to make an advance on the highly scientific 8% :-)
Totally agree on the simplicity aspect - like you I have no desire to fiddle with menu's and worry about if a different setting is better or not. All I tend to do on the Guzzi is switch off the traction control completely (I still find it very intrusive) and then off I go. Tank size, low seat, good mirrors, shaft drive (and I'll be putting a screen on it) makes it a perfect long distance companion. It's a delight! I'm sticking with the slightly less charm though - but if I'd never experienced the V7III I wouldn't even notice that to be honest.
Anyway, great to hear from another owner, thanks for watching and hope all is well in Yorkshire, cheers, Phil.
Aside from the how stunning this bike is and the review content, let me just say, this video is so well made. It's cheeky, cinematic and keeps my attention. Well done. Made me laugh a few times. Great comparison!
Good morning Dimitri, thanks for watching and hope you’re doing well. Thanks very much for your kind comments, it’s great to know the work is appreciated, cheers, Phil.
I have a 2020 v7 and the v85tt. Great bikes with tons of character an tons of fun. Congrats on reaching retirement.
Hey Mark, Merry Christmas. Sounds like you’ve properly got the Guzzi bug! As you say they are sooooo much fun…I’d have one of every colour and model if I could 😀 Roll on retirement 😀 Anyway, thanks for watching, hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
I currently own both a V7 III Special and a V7 850 Special (next to a V7 850 GT from 1975). According to me the 850 has indeed lost a little bit of character, while gaining power and smoothness. The 750 sounds nicer (a bit louder) and its vibrations feel like a heartbeat, which got lost on the 850. The 750 also feels nimbler, probably because of the lower weight and narrower rear tyre. I had the shocks on the 750 changed for a pair of simple Hagons and they feel quite comfortable, although quickly bottom out. The 850 looks and feels a bit beefier. I don't have a preference for either one of them, so I am forced to keep them both... I have had and still have many bikes, and these are still my favourites. The 850 TT Centenario and California Vintage 90 Anniversario are also in my stable. If you favour air-cooled v-twins with shaft drive, as I do, there actually only is Moto Guzzi.
Good evening, totally agree with your all points with respect to the 750 and the 850 and if I had the space, like you you, I probably would have kept both. However, I do think the 850 is possibly the slightly better long term all round proposition mainly because of the very same things that create the slight loss of charm. Still…it’s air cooled, looks lovely with shaft drive and still a million miles away from modern bikes.
If I come across a Stornello I might be tempted…Guzzi’s do get under your skin.
Anyway, thanks for stopping by, hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Hi Eddy I recently put Hagons on my 750 from Gutsibits; found the handling improved significantly but at the expense of comfort. Have yours bedded in at all?
Hi, great video, choice of bike and beers! I’m a returning biker, tried lots but decided the Adventure style is not for me. The V7 is the last “retro” for me to ride (tomorrow) and is the one that pulls at my heart strings. Was thinking of a 2nd hand 750 but may pay the extra for an 850 now. At 6’ 1” I’m just hoping I fit…
Good evening - thanks for stopping by and yes, the beers were very nice but didn’t last long. Hopefully your test ride went OK - have you reached a decision and did you fit the bike OK? Let me know how you got on! Cheers, Phil.
I think, for me, this might just be the most beautiful bike out there. Perfect color combination with classic lines. Really pulls at my heartstrings. Too bad about the weight though.
As always, big thumbs up for the Dalek as well.
Hey Mike, yes the weight increase is a but unfortunate but it’s not a deal breaker. Also worth noting that those are wet weights and the V7 has a big tank. Either way though, it has put a chunk of lungs on compared to the 750. Still, it is completely gorgeous. I’m smitten again! Listen to your heart…..
Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
OMG! I can't believe you got a new Centenario and I am just seein this now! I watched all your previous videos on your previous bike with great fervor :) Thank you for your video! Cheers!
Good morning, thanks for stopping by and hope you’re doing well. You’ve watched all the other videos and still came back, what can I say 😀 Yes, the Centenario finally arrived after a 9 month delay and I’m very happy with it and can’t wait for the UK summer. It’s quite different to my old V7 in lots of ways so ideally I’d have both as mad as that seems, still I’m not complaining! Hope all is well where you are, happy new year, cheers, Phil.
What a comprehensive story to tell about a bike. Thank you Sir! Cheers from Poland
Hello again! Thank you so much for your comments - they are very much appreciated 😀 Hope all is well with you, cheers, Phil.
Proper beer, proper French biscuits, proper Moto Guzzi, haha luv it. As an aspiring MG owner thx for the proper education, proper eye candy and proper entertainment. Cheers!
Thank you and absolute please - glad you enjoyed it. Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Great timing. I watched your previous vids on the old V7iii and enjoyed them. My Centenario is being delivered tomorrow so I have a vested interest in this!
Evening Jon, oooh very exciting! Glad you enjoyed the videos and you’re in for a treat tomorrow! Since the video (when I think I was clinging on to a previous affair) the new one now really does it for me. Love it!
Thanks for watching, let me know how you get on, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thank you! Loved the reference to Salvador Dali BTW, very funny but I see what you mean. I don’t like digital dashes normally but I do like this one, it somehow captures that 1970’s digital watch ‘look’, maybe it’s triggering something nostalgic for me, don’t know. But I really like it.
Torn between the 750 and 850. I currently have a W800, which I absolutely love. It's a Japanese work of art. I will be adding a second bike to my collection and the Moto Guzzi V7 will be it. Thanks for the video🥂
Hey Steve, thanks for your comments and yes, the W800 is a sublimely lovely bike. I’ve never ridden one but the styling and the engine look just amazing! As for the 750/850 yeah it’s a difficult choice. I still stand by the fact the 750 is more charming, while the 850 has just that bit more of speed and handling about it. I’d have them both as you know which may suggest you can’t really go wrong with either! Obviously, I’m aware that won’t help at all - sorry!
Anyway, hope all is well where you are, thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
I have really enjoyed the video! Thanks for bringing it out. I am picking up my v7850 special in grey tomorrow ! Can" t wait! Traded it in for my lovely v7 café from 2009. So I can really geel you......greetings from the Netherlands, bye
Hey Rene, not long to wait now! Glad you enjoyed the video and let me know how you get on tomorrow. Thanks for stopping by and greetings from the UK, cheers, Phil.
Hi, nice video, very useful first impressions. Waiting for new trips after your 'salty' Winter, enjoy your beer, your biscuits and, obviously, your new Moto Guzzi. Merry Christmas from Italy!
Good morning and Merry Christmas! Thanks for stopping by and great to know you enjoyed the video. It’s very salty here at the moment so the beer and biscuits are ready while the Guzzi battery is on charge. Hope all is well over in 🇮🇹 Ciao, Phil.
Another fine review, topped only by your video creation talents. I also doff my cap to your excellent stable choice. Keep up the great work.
Hello again! Thanks very much, always good to know the work is appreciated. As for the stable, I think, finally, I may have found the perfect trio (for me). Well, until I decide to go electric of course 😀 More coming soon and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
I really love this video. I pick up my V7 Stone in the next couple of days, can’t wait.
PS. I hope your recovery is going well.🙂
Good morning, ah there’s nothing like new bike day - especially when it’s a Guzzi. Fingers crossed you get good weather and can get some miles in. Great to know you enjoyed the video and the recovery is going well thanks - many thanks for asking.
Let me know how you get on with your new bike, cheers, Phil.
Several of my friends have the V7 and love it. They make a lovely burble sound when I’m following - the bikes not my friends in case you were wondering.
Evening Ian, hope you’re doing ok. Burbling friends sounds kinda nice actually. Next time I’m out I’ll harangue some passers by and see what they say. Onboard it sounds like a “thrum”…Anyway, thanks for watching (again), cheers, Phil.
I just bought my first Guzzi a couple weeks ago ‘23 V7 Stone. Funny, you mentioned the mirror, I had a 2 1/2 hour ride home from the dealer, the right hand mirror came loose, and drove me bonkers! I’m still getting used to the gearbox, no where near as smooth as my T120 I used to have. There’s something about this bike, though (even with a few idiosyncrasies) that I just adore. I’ve only got a few hundred miles on it, but I’m always excited to hop on it!
Hey Scott, good to hear from you and great to know you’re enjoying the ride! As for the mirrors, yeah, it’s gotta be an Italian thing 😀
The gearbox does smooth out over time plus as you probably know now, it expects you to match gear changes to engine speed and what the shaft drive is doing - otherwise the bike does complain a bit.
Isn’t it great to have to learn what works best though? For me that was all part of the charm as opposed to jumping on and knowing the bike perfectly within the first few minutes (which is also a good thing for other use cases).
It’s been said many times - but the V7 is an old bike brought up to date while Triumphs for example are modern bikes designed to look old.
Rattling clutch, odd ticking noises, rocking from side to side and they do like to rev. What could be better!
All the best & thanks for stopping by. Let me know how you get on, cheers, Phil.
I have a 2020 V7 III. Love the way you describe OEM tires. Can’t go wrong with Fullers.
Hey Rich, thanks for stopping by. As for the OEM tyres on the V7III, I remember picking mine up and thinking the headstock was loose or the wheel bearings were shot…it was all over the place. I think it’s the first time I’ve ever swapped tyres before needing to….Terrible things!
And yeah, Fullers is just lovely 😊 Cool pint of Pride on a summers evening…perfect!
Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Enjoyable review - thanks. Amazingly, we can get Fuller's London Porter here in Ontario - and I do! Happy riding. Nick
Thanks Nick…Fullers in Ontario - presumably it travels well then! Happy riding to you also and hope all is well in Canada, cheers, Phil.
Très belle vidéo, magnifique région 😌
Je devrais prendre possession de la V7 Spécial Edition cette semaine, j'espère que la météo sera plus clémente dans le nord/pas de calais (France) les inondations ne facilite pas les déplacements.
Bien à vous.
Bonjour, Ravi d'avoir de vos nouvelles et félicitations pour votre achat du V7 - je suis sûr que vous l'apprécierez beaucoup. Merci pour vos aimables commentaires sur la vidéo et le lieu. Oui, le temps et la pluie sont terribles ici depuis des semaines et des semaines également. Je fais le Pas-de-Calais - j'ai séjourné plusieurs fois à Arras et j'apprécie beaucoup la bière-de-garde. bonne chance, bravo, Philip.
hi
Thank you for this Comparison.
Again a beautiful video with great camera views.
May be I think it over between the 750cc and the 850cc model.
best regards from OWL/Germany
And thanks again! As before you won’t go wrong with either! I’d have them both if I could! All the best, cheers, Phil.
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Hi Phil
Thanks for your answer.
We are looking forward for next year.
Hopefully the world is better than.
all the best from OWL/Germany
Jürgen
I am so glad you got THAT one !!! I thought you were heading for the Blue V7 SPECIAL .. I love the 100 year color schemes from the race bike on the Centenario. Very classy ... I did like the analog clocks on the blue one though..I think the weight gain is due to the stronger shaft drive and frame work for the higher torque numbers of the 850 ..Very good on a high windy bridge 1000 miles from home at ant rate .. Glad you got us all seeing Salvador's mustache ... That is a great gift to the art world and the internet ... I love that tree at 8:40 ... Santa is bringing every good girl and boy I know McVitie's ..I know very middle of the road but I love them and a pile of them will fit into my wooden Pannier on the Triumph .. Heated grips sleigh bells and salty roads for me here in New England coming this season ... Congratulations for all three of your new beauties !!! Yours Guy
Good evening Guy, how are you - hope all is good in PA. As for the blue special, well, I was waiting for so long that when I heard a rumour specials were being delivered, I said to the dealer “I’ll have one when it comes in”…In the end the Centenario came in first, it was October and I couldn’t really refuse! Now that I’ve got it, it is of course the best colour ever! Kinda glad it’s got tubeless tyres even if the headlight is somewhat er, decisive 😀
As you say the weight is advantageous in some cases and it’s definitely much more planted than the old one. I can live with it plus I class it as a bit of middle age spread. Which, given all the biscuits I’m eating…I used to live near a McVitie’s factory years ago…The smell on a Friday afternoon was delicious. Plus they had a broken biscuit factory shop where I probably consumed my own body weight in milk chocolate digestives. These days I try and avoid them as I get Labrador syndrome and would get through a whole packet before breakfast. I think an emergency packet or seven in the pannier is a very sensible idea though…it’s all about being prepared for every eventuality. Thing is, do you dunk Guy?
If you’ve really got sleigh bells on your Triumph, I think a video with sound track is in order. And if you don’t, I’ll order some - Triumph have a very comprehensive accessory catalogue. But yes, I think I’ve finally landed on an excellent trio of machines….next stop is electric in a few years time I think.
Anyway, hope you, the family and pottery are all going strong Guy, great to hear from you again, cheers, Phil.
Lovely vid. Running the exact same bike . Get some Mistrals on it. It transforms the experience. Got mine from Guzzibits so avoided the dreaded import charges.
Morning Geoff, thanks for stopping by, great to know you enjoyed the review and are loving the bike. And thanks for the advice, hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
Excellent production again. Think the 850 in those colours gets the nod for me. Thanks for the tipple tip.. Proper Job is worth a try if you’ve not already.
Thanks very much! Yeah, it does look lovely I have to say. As for Proper Job, I think I had a few pints of that when working in Exeter a few years back. Very nice indeed. I think have may have been slightly put off it as I have vague memory of seeing a photo Nigel Farage drinking it, plus it doesn’t seem to make it this far north. I’ll get over my Farage hangup and seek some some out!
Thanks for watching and hope all is good where you are, cheers, Phil.
Really nice bike fancy the special model myself but them colors of yours look amazing
Thanks Timothy…And in the sunlight, the green metal flake is sublime! I’ve got super bumpy roads near me so soft and comfortable suspension is key…Yes, I’d like “better” suspension but not “harder” suspension personally. I’m happy with my choice 😀
Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Love the graphics of GPS and speed etc. Brilliant!!
Thanks - that’s an app called Telemetry Overlay, it’s little fiddly but works really well - more details at the link below and thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
goprotelemetryextractor.com/
Another brilliant video your incredible videography is wonderfully accompanied by your upbeat banter. And London Pride my favorite beer!!!!! A fellow Guzzisti here! Oh Lord and the Dalek😂
Thanks very much. Beer, Guzzi and Daleks…what could be better. I still can’t get into Jodie Whittaker though - not her fault but the scripts are dreadful.
We don’t get Pride on tap up here but the bottled stuff isn’t half bad. Love Fullers! Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews In total agreement about the Doctor
I just found this video today, not sure how it took me two years, but I found it most entertaining and you gave me a chuckle a few times. I too traded in my beloved 2020 V7 III Classic, but 5 months ago for a 2024 V7 Corsa. I find it has a greater than 8% improvement, from the rear suspension alone. Not only much better shocks but nearly 1" more travel. No more jots up the spine for this 67 year old! The power difference is also very noticeable and technically it is 25%, though to be fair, I was fine with the power of the 750. I have Mistral pipes on order and will have them in December and am installing a Matris fork kit in the next couple of weeks as well. The forks aren't terrible but they are a bit harsh and I will make them excellent. I thought I would hate the off center clock but I have not even been slightly disturbed by the off center placement. Love the tubeless rimes, love the bike, loved that you enjoy the beer and treats.......but I do love a good hazy IPA....ha ha. Cheers to your retirement!
Hey Scott, good to hear from and thanks for stopping by. Great to hear you're enjoying the Corsa! That's a lovely looking machine. As for the % improvements ha ha, we could talk about that at length I'd imagine! The increase in the power is the big one as you say - it turns it into something much more rapid (when needed). Must admit I didn't notice much difference with the shocks but then I only did 500 miles on mine.
The Mistral pipes will sound and look lovely and that's a good decision on the fork kit. You'll have a properly lovely, usable and quite exotic (but not over the top) bike once all that's done.
On the clocks, yeah, I quite like 'Off centre' design to be honest and the rule of thirds as applied to photos / paintings pretty much demands that. Anyway, on a Guzzi, when you're enjoying the ride, who needs clocks 😀
Right, I'm off for some snacks 😋 All the best, cheers, Phil.
Hi there, very much enjoyed your video and many thanks for posting it. I too have a V7 850 black Stone. Great bike! (I also have a RE Classic 350 in the shed; chalk and cheese!). Like you I hope next year to do some longer trips round the UK on the Guzzi. Currently thinking about a pannier system amongst other things. Any thoughts? Also, very intrigued seeing the digital info displayed over the riding video parts. What is it? I would appreciate any info/link to the product.
Regards and safe riding and…. enjoy the beer and twigletts.
Chris
Hey Chris, good to hear from you and thanks for your comments on the video. Good to know you[re enjoying the V7!
As for a pannier system, well, I didn't get to take the 850 on any long trips as I went and broke my leg in an accident, but that's another story!
Anyway, I did go over to Europe on my previous V7III and used a set of throw-over soft panniers that worked a treat and I was planning on using the same on my 850. If you check this video out : th-cam.com/video/JcYg6wOXhfU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=x35pQNpLy_339rB3 at around the 4:11 mark you'll see what I used and how I fitted them. Super easy, no hassle and no racks needed!
As for the on-screen GPS info, I used an application called 'Telemetry Overlay' it's really good but you will need to buy a licence for it and have a camera that records GPS data so GoPro 7 - 10 for example. Here's the link : goprotelemetryextractor.com/telemetry-overlay-gps-video-sensors.
As for the beer and Twiglets...Always!
Hope that helps, all the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Great info. I will certainly seriously have a look at the throw over panniers, they looked great. I presume they rest against the shocks. Did you experience any problems when going over bumps and the shocks compressed. I ask ‘cos (quite) a while back, a friend came off his VFR due to his bags catching in the suspension. Regards,
Chris
Hey Chris, no worries and hopefully the info was useful.
But no, I had zero problems with the panniers gently resting against the shocks. I purposely didn’t tether them to any other part of the bike so that they could still move around on bumps and of course the shocks wouldn’t allow the panniers to get chewed up into the wheel.
Yes the panniers may have bounced upwards on bumps but being tethered under the seat they were totally secure and caused no problems at all. I know it’s tempting to buy into racks and sorts of stuff but really it’s not needed.
Cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thank you Phil 🙏
Your Green V7iii had me green with envy. Probably my favorite color. I own a w800 cafe but have my eye on a MG roamer. Not a popular model but I think it’s cool looking
Hello! Thanks for stopping by and yeah, I still think about the little green Guzzi - it was a little packet of matt green gorgeousness I have to say. I’ve got a good track record in selling bikes then feeling regretful 😀 Well, to be honest I quite like the V9 range and definitely prefer the roamer over the bobber - I mean an Italian bobber?! The roamer is cool looking I agree and the handling is supposed to be quite good also so I’d say go for it! As you say, there are not many about so that will just add to the feeling of riding something special. Let me know if you do get one, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the bike.
Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Really liked the mustache comparison.
Thanks for your thoughts. I have a 2012 V7 Special and was thinking of twisting to an 850cc version, but may now stick with my current bike and add a few improvements. I will happily watch more of your videos.
Good morning and thanks for taking the time to comment. Yeah it’s a bit of an edge case between the 750 and the 850…As I say towards the end of the video, I think the 850 is a little more sanitised (but not much) and it’s speed definitely makes it feel more like what we would expect from a bike. Although having said that I never suffered from a lack of speed on the 750! It’s a very fine balance….More coming soon where I will attempt to describe the conundrum - either way though, keeping your current bike is in no way a compromise.
Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews thanks Phil, will subscribe to see how you get on with the new bike. Paul
I know, what is it about the mirrors? Mine started swinging around on its first journey (brand new back from the dealers) and then it did it again after the first service. Is loosening the offside mirror part of the service schedule I wonder? I had to buy a spanner (shame imoji) because I didn't have a 21mm open spanner.
Hey Gary, ha ha yeah. And like who has a 21mm open ended spanner? I had to buy one as well and it’s massive for a mirror. I’ve seen smaller axle nuts! It was exactly the same with my first V7…off side mirror, first ride home. Love Italian engineering 😀 Thanks for stopping by and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Seen those roads i would buy a offroad bike , did you import belgium road builders?
Ha ha I couldn’t possibly comment 😀 I will admit though that I do like and search out little badly surface roads as I quite like them 😀 All the best, cheers, Phil.
Fit some Mistral short exhausts. No need to take the dB killer out. Lovely sound. I've replaced the tyres with Bridgestone BT32 as I disliked the feel of the front. Fitted a 110/80 at the front. Am totally loving mine. Enjoy.
Morning - thanks for the info. I had Bridgestones on my old V7 and totally loved them so will swap at some point. I’ll check out the Mistrals, if they are not too loud I might go for them. Either way, brilliant bike and loving mine too, can’t wait for summer. Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Dave Berman does a great video on the Mistrals. He got burned with impot taxes mind!
Gotta love Brexit…
Hi Phil, really enjoyed hearing your insights and comparisons. Got my Centenario in May, I love it. You played a big part in edging me to a V7 and then the launch shots made up my mind! I’ve found the performance to hit the sweet spot for me, you can really enjoy exploiting it without it always egging you on. The (surprisingly heavy) mirrors had to go in favour of bar-ends, which for me greatly improve the looks and also give a better field of vision as well, I’d recommend doing that (my OEMs also quickly worked loose!). I’d like to change the exhausts to Mistrals to improve the nice but muted soundtrack... are they under consideration?
Good evening! Thanks for your comments - really good to hear and really glad you’re enjoying the bike as otherwise I could be in a lot of trouble 😀 You’re right - I think it will have a really nice power sweet spot once I finish running it in. Even now I can feel it’s got a little more shove and urgency compared to the 750 yet in no way is it unmanageable. Can’t wait for summer 2022!
As for the exhausts, I’m not really one for swapping to be honest, I can live with the quietness (as can my elderly neighbours) and I imagine they won’t release tons of power, so I’ll stick with stock I think. It’s just a shame they are so quiet and much quieter than the stock can on my Z900RS which in some respects is a bit loud.
Either way though, it’s a brilliant bike and I’m totally smitten. And perhaps the mirrors might fall off one day…Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
What on bike camera are you using? I had a Drift Ghost S but it's packed up now. I'm guessing Go Pro? I liked the on-board lean angle and mph display👍 I'm torn between the 750 and 850 V7 ....
As for beer.. if you ever get the chance, try Grain beer, made in Harleston in Norfolk❤
Morning Neil, good to hear from you and hope all is well with you. Important matters first - thanks for the beer tip, I'll check it out!
As for the onboard camera - yes, it's a GoPro 10. Like all GoPro's it appears a little bit finicky to begin with but I've never had any serious problems with them and these days with the front/back screens much easier to use and the footage is great plus it has good 4k slo-mo also.
In terms of the overlay, you can get basic overlays using the (rather awful GoPro Quik App) but the ones in the video were added by using a desktop application called 'Telemetry Overlay'. You have to import you GoPro footage, add gauges and things and then re-export. It's easy enough to do but just adds a bit of time to the process.
One thing to note though is that the latest GoPro 12 doesn't capture GPS data which is annoying, so you'll need to be looking at the 11 or below. Same with the DJI action camera also.
Hope that helps....Now Googling Grain beer.....
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Another class video thank you! I am looking forward to seeing the new Guzzi Mandello.
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it and me too! Hope all is good where you are, cheers, Phil.
I'm looking for a first bike - and stumbled upon your videos. Absolutely love how beautifully presented they are - so cinematic and stunning to watch. If you decide to sell your bike in the future please let me know!
Good evening and thanks very much for your kind comments - it’s great to know the work is appreciated. The Guzzi would be a great first bike - easy to ride, not mad and of course, lovely to look at so you feel real pride of ownership. And has for selling hahahahah….Not yet….If ever!
Thanks for stopping by and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thanks for the reply. Since watching your two videos on you tube I have developed a minor obsession with them! I'll let you know what I end up buying. Please make another video! The colour scheme on yours is absolutely lovely. We go to Como every year - I shall make a point of visiting the factory next time we go.
Thanks very much - and let me know how you get on! Cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Hi Phil - so after seeing your videos I made a visit to the MG store in Brighton. They have two in stock. Your colour scheme is perfect - sets the bike off really well - definitely best colours. Looking forward to taking it for a test ride - DAS pass permitting. Hope this finds you well.
Good evening…great news and to be honest I only got the Centenario by accident - but I really love it now. Fingers crossed for the test ride - being obsessed is just the start…Let me know what you think! Cheers, Phil.
Awesome bike. I’ve got the same model. I really love mine. Great review..
Hello! Yes, it’s a cracking bike and I really can’t wait for summer so I can get some proper miles in on it. Thanks for your kind comments and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
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Hello again Phil
Your video might be from some time ago, but I believe it is to this date the best review of the V7 850, as well as the best comparison to the older renditions of it.
Especially the steam engine - analogy, to me, summed up briefly, what so many failed or tried to say, myself included.
Despite me myself leaning into a similar direction of opinion overall, I was reluctant to judge the V7 850, before the bike got its second service interval at around 10k km, with which the last "factory flaw" was removed (they actually torqued down the main head of the steering bearings with approx 200Nm, like it took 3 people to open it, but warranty covered it, so now she handles EVEN BETTER with a proper free-swinging front fork and new bearings,) and the gearbox was "worked in" (it is no longer clunky at all).
I now finally just about got home from the alps, and now I feel like I can judge the V7, after having done the penultimate test, 3 days of non-stop riding, 1 meal, 6h of sleep and 4 gas station stops per day, either to fuel up, drink smth, or pee.
I even took it off-road, as there is nobody making sure I do not ride mountain-bike trails in the more remote areas on a friday around noon. I have to say, the low seat height, soft rear brake, medium width handle bar and torquey engine, really make it almost too easy. I am nowhere near a trail connaisseur, and I did avoid larger drops / holes, simply because I love my motorcycle with as few scratches as possible, but I reckon I could ride the desert with that, easily, if there was one round here. Gravel, green pastures, leaf and wood, were no problem. A couple suitable tyres, and I d risk it, but I love my Metzeler Roadtec 01s, so shame on me for using them outside their street habitat.
I rode the V7 all winter, so I barely had any human interaction while riding, since nobody goes outside during covid and -5° to +10° for morr than necessary, but on these three days I had over 10 people, NON-RIDERS, that is, come up and say smth nice about the V7, astounding.
Anyways, I ve decided to give my thoughts on the V7 850 here, mostly directed at the negatives previous generations displayed, not that they ever mattered to myself, but when I told my rather large circle of motorcycle friends (and I m about to throw You in with that lot at this rate) I was gonna buy a BRAND NEW guzzi, some speculated upon the issues older models had, instead of focusing on the few novelties listed within the brief promotion descriptions, which everyone instantly googled.
I am about to shut these critics down, saddle up;
I've owned the 2021 V7 850 for 8months and 13'000km now.
I used to ride a MkII a couple years back for about a month / 3000ish km
I am happy to say all the known issues are gone.
The 2021 version comes with all the unnecessary tech goodies such as traction control and ABS.
It s got 65hp instead of the previous 50, which was plenty but now it s got more than it needs, stock, so nobody can complain.
It's Euro5 compliant so soccer mom's can stop holding their ears shut, bike enthusiasts can, as usual, mod the exhaust system and the planet can stay green.
The transmission was always fine, even at -10degrees celsius, it only took 30-60sec to warm up and shift easily and precisely, now it just does it even sooner and with 0 miles on the odometer so even new-buyers with a lack of determination in their left foot get it done. After the 10k km service, the transmission worked perfectly from every cold start.
The seat is now even better, so riding for 10h with a total of 30min off is entirely manageable, whether it s all highway speeds or none, as long as it is not for more than a day. Multiple days, I reckon 8h/d in the saddle should be doable for most people.
Most of the aftermarket products available for the MkII and MkIII fit the 850 version, for people who like a plug-and-play-style of customization, despite the bike oozing simplicity and elegance even in its stock rendition.
For the first time in a couple years, even the stock tyres are good. Mine lasted well over 8000km and never let me down, braking into corners and scraping pegs, they held, wet or dry, warm or cold.
The 2021 850 has more rear suspension travel than ever, so while it always was a comfortable bike, it is now even more comfortable, which helps with terrible roads, offroading, two-up riding and touring.
Despite all this, the engine is still reliable, soulful and lively and the bike weighs 218kg wet, but can easily be modified down to 200 for all those who d rather lift it into a van with friends instead of getting a ramp.
The ECU mapping is no longer any issue. It was fine always if you ask me, but some people felt like the curve wasnt good enough, whined about a tiny power drop off between 2500 and 3000rpm on older models, or wanted to modify it, so it has even more torque down low for some reason and turn it into a complete cruiser. I can happily state it ll go from a stop in second gear without any throttle, slowly, but it will, just use the friction zone.
With 72Nm of torque at 5000 rpm, 80% of it at 3000rpm, it now has too much torque for its design, so even if you forget to shift down or find yourself on a climb day-dreaming like the ~300kg / ~660lbs human+gear+motorcycle mural you are, you will pull ahead.
Said torque also helps greatly when you fit one of the numerous available windshields, luggage racks and camping setups on your v7 for travelling. You might at best do 1000km / 620miles a day, most likely half of it because you either actually want to enjoy the area, instead of blasting through it, or because you met people and had a chat, per day, but then again You were not trying to buy a Goldwing.
While every Guzzi so far has run to abnormal high mileage and only the first two maintenance / service intervals had any larger meaning, the V7 850, at least mine and another 3 owners' I talked to, barely needed any valve adjusting, so I m guessing we ll see another engine from the Moto Guzzi factory outliving its rider, due to engine design simplicity and a shaft drive.
There are very small trade-offs between the V7 special and the V7 Stone as per usual, but switching the respective parts over is a matter of a day at most, because everything on this bike, as usual, is "right there".
There is no longer issues with fuel filters, or any of those easily / cheaply replaceable parts. The only thing I can fault, is that they do not use titanium bolts everywhere for maximum shine, but I just got those myself, since I ride every single day.
It is still not a cheap motorcycle, and it is still owned by Piaggo, so dealerships are mediocre in quality and quantity for most countries. I reckon any semi-skilled mechanic can work on an air-cooled V-Twin if need be and warranty has rarely ever helped anyone with a V7. Mine still has warranty on it as of now, but after reading through the specifics, I cannot see anything worthwile apart from electrical issues, which at best save someone 20% of the original price if all hell broke loose somehow... It helped me with a minor factory mistake by paying the 100-ish € for new steering head bearings.
That would be all for now.
Kind Regards,
Ben
Good morning Ben! Thank you so much for writing this fabulous summary and opinion piece on the bike! It’s very insightful, well written and is a very good read - plus you have, by accident or design, preempted my (not so) cunning plan for my next V7 review. Basically while I’ve got enough footage and the bike has had its first service and is just about run in, for obvious reasons I won’t be able to do any more distance on it. Therefore my plan was to reach out and gather opinions from other V7 owners and summarise in the video. I think with the Guzzi, as it’s such an emotive brand, I want to hear from owners of other bikes to see what it is about Guzzi’s that create such passion. I know I’ve been obsessed with them since I could ride.
The other part of the plan is to kick-start my blog and provide a written version of the video review and include again, other riders views and opinions together with images of their own bikes. Basically, I’d like the videos to have a lot more dimensions to them and include not just my own view. The videos will just include my own footage though because as you well know, quality video is hard to achieve and that’s one area I want to keep an eye on.
What do you think Ben? Good / bad idea? Any thoughts on improving it? And as you’ve already ‘contributed’ would you be happy for me to use your words with attribution to your good self?
Keen to hear what you think.
As for your review above / I really notice the weight of the new V7 when pushing it around and you mention it can got to 200KG quite easily. How would you do that? Exhaust presumably?
Look forward to hearing back from you, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Good evening Phil and thank You for Your cordial and eloquent (and extraordinarily quick) reply.
It was by accident, then, but I love the idea to collect a multitude of impressions and, through Your vocal and visual talent, summarizing it all. Of course You can use any of my impressions. I see You have already collected a lot more diverse and great perspectives on moto guzzi motorcycles since posting the video, in such a brief time. Looks like You are bang on with Your quest! Moto Guzzi truly is an emotive brand, and that is coming from me, someone who rode cruisers and hardtail choppers for years, despite their numerous shortcomings, still fell in love with the V7, when he was given one as a placeholder, while his Springer was being serviced. I reckon most motorcycles need some form of irrational motivation within the buyer / rider to be loved, some more than others (yes, why would anyone want to ride a motorcycle with an absolute lack of any sort of suspension).
Some bike manufacturers seemingly refuse to push for rationally / objectively better features. I believe the Neo-Retro category to be the perfect microcosm to observe this phenomenon, and the V7 a great example. It has all the good bits of modern technology, but, while there is the Guzzi V85TT with the same engine (but different valves), it more or less stayed at its performance profile. It improved by a fair bit by increasing the size of the engine, but in order to keep its (and this is purely emotive / subjective ) recognizable and lovable appearance, triggering these nostalgia effects and memories in so many people, as they think back to the V11 Sport, the V8, or the 197X versions of the V7, or at least pictures of them, they did not swap the valves.
I am no mechanic, lord knows I call someone every time I do serious work on a motorcycle myself, even after seeing it done so many times in my life and assisting, but even I could make the V7 engine produce more horsepower, which means the team at Moto Guzzi could probably push the same engine beyond our imagination, possibly already have at some point just for the fun of it, but refused to give in to factsheet culture and stuck with emotion. This is a very tough call to make in a world, where producing exclusively in Central Europe and selling on a global scale, is a death sentence for most larger companies' upper level employees.
Oh wow, this got serious rather quick now; let me lighten the mood:
The 2022 Triumph Street Scrambler's 900cc parallel twin makes 64 horsepower and 59 lb-ft of torque (quote.) The torque is set to peak crazy low, somewhere above 3000, yet below 4000 rpm, but, as I have not been to a dyno-test with one and generally do not trust the internet / manufacturers to give accurate data, I do not know exactly where.
The 2021 Moto Guzzi V7's 853cc transverse V-twin makes 65 horsepower and, while the torque curve is a beautiful figure, with 80% available at 3000rpm, it peaks 54 ft/lbs at slightly above or below 5000 rpm, leaving the two motorcycles' engines almost dead even in terms of performance and the buyers to choose with more reasonably important metrics in mind. A friend of mine called it "mad design decisions", but I simply love how every fellow motorcyclist coming my way is being greeted by a big old mustache LED light and a biker wave.
As to Your question about weight: Just by swapping out the stock exhaust to Mistral's conical short exhausts, the Guzzi shed 10kgs out of her 218kg wet weight, and that is with the Mistral Conicals being certified Euro5 homologue and not needing a re-tune, while also having DB-Killers in, which basically are just more weight and less noise. The other 8 can easily be lost, via removal of the passenger foot pegs, reducing the saddle to a single, trimming front and rear fenders accordingly, swapping out the smaller parts for lighter iterations of same or smaller scale (e.g. shave a couple grams by getting smaller/shorter mirrors made from lighter and less material, same with other handlebar-allocated objects such as clutch and brake levers) and last but not least, removing or replacing covers on both sides of the motorcycle.
If easy does not do it, You could always swap forks and wheels, chop the frame or swap the tank, but I believe this too drastic of a change, so while there is not much "on" the V7, there is still enough to get rid off to make her lose 18kg, especially when the stock exhausts, for whatever reason, are abnormally heavy, presumably to cut costs, yet meet emission standards.
Ah, I wrote too much again.
Kind Regards, Ben
@@benjamin.f.b. Today I tested the new 850 special and I really liked the bike. Little weird at the beginning because of the engine being transversal but it feels great. My question for you is, you said that you had a VII. I have a good deal on used 2017 VII special but it's more than 300 km away from me. Do you consider the VII a good bike while comparing with the 850? Do you think it is worth the trip to go see it and test it?
Thanks!
Regards
@@fagundes6666 Hi Fabio,
I only now noticed your comment, I am so sorry for my late reply.
The V7 mk2 / V7 II is a fine city and country road motorcycle, it has the same charm, or more, as the V7 850. The PRICE on used older V7 II beats the V7 850 by miles, so that alone could be the aspect winning the decision for You. I believe the 850 to be a complete allrounder bike, even two up for 2-5h is fine with the occasional stop, as long as neither of the two ppl riding it are abnormally heavy. Highways are NO problem at all, the 850 pulls harder and goes faster than a naked with an upright riding position should (wind, traction, comfort).
I believe the 850 to be 10-20% better overall than the v7mk2, as there is only 4 things which the mk2 does better: price, colorways (up until now), an established aftermarket (there is LOADS of aftermarket stuff for the v7 mk2, and nlt as much for the V7 850, as not everything fits both and the 850 is newer, while the v7 mk2 has even got mk1 parts which fit, so loads of years) and sound (it is not euro5, therefore it can legally go at a noisier rate and be more charming that way, but it s not loud either)
The V7 850 fixes every issue the v7 mk2 ever had just by existing. The power difference is very noticeable between the two (i recently ran a mk2 again for 2 days just to have a side by side comparison, it was a stock arrow exhaust one with semi-dead tyres but i really noticed the power difference regardless.)
Most differences are so minor, you wouldnt notice them until excessive comparison. For example, I d argue the mk2 is a tiny bit more nimble, but then again the 850 seems more balanced during parking lot maneuvers, and better or more stable on a straight line, regardless of their small difference in ergonomics. It s really the power and the updated tech overall, as well as the stock tyres being good for once, and the lights being superb instead of mediocre, as well as never having to worry about e.g. oil leaks or fuel filters falling apart etc... it s a long list of minor improvements, which could all be done by the buyer to up the standards of a v7mk2 to the v7 850, except for the engine, that one is just flat out better, and the size/weight increase is just not noticeable, while the power is.
@@fagundes6666 Please consider other bikes from other manufacturers as well. The V7 850 is a premium bike for a premium price doing nothing incredible apart from its looks, which are subjective, shaft drive (rare) and tank size (MASSIVE).
There are a multitude of similar style bikes from triumph, royal enfield, kawasaki, yamaha, honda and even smaller companies, which through a different aesthetic achieve the same or similar means of transportation: neither of them are racing machines, they are all relaxed rides aiming for comfort, some more than others, sure, but overall every classic motorcycle or even the neo retro category is an upright/near upright riding positioned motorcycle without any extra baggage/luggage/gadgets, going highway speeds just fine and comfortably deal with traffic, or semi-sporty mountain roads and serpentines. Guzzi and Triumph are both at the upper end of the price spectrum, without objectively being better than the rest, unless you just love the transverse engine, shaft drive and tank design, then you have to guzzi, just like some have to bonnie and others needs to go with the kawa w800, the RE interceptor 650 or continental GT, yamaha xsr 700-900 for those who want a more sporty feel and futuristic look, etc etc. They are all great, and motorcycles are expensive, just weigh your options and your wallet before deciding ^^
La bellezza di una moto,fuoriesce,anche dalle forme,,,dal rumore,,dalla storia ,e questa trasmette,,emozione,👌💓
Buonasera Andrea, grazie per essere passato. Non avrei potuto dirlo meglio io stesso. È una moto molto bella e affascinante. Lo adoro!
Spero che tutto vada bene dove sei, ciao, Phil.
I used to own a Honda CX 500 years ago with a similar engine configuration. I used to find that there was somewhat of a gyroscope effect on the engine, which seemed to make the bike not want to turn but instead go straight on like a wheel spinning and getting hold of the axle, wants to keep spinning in one plane and complains when turned.
Hello again! Yeah, there's a tiny bit of that with the Guzzi and of course it rocks to one side when revved in neutral but it's all very insignificant. and even compared to my previous V7, this one steers much more 'normally. I think the 18" front wheel is what gives it an old-school kinda feel, which to be honest, is rather nice.
I can't wait to get back on it.
Cheers, Phil.
very well made video. educational AND entertaining. thank you and greetings from vienna / austria.
Thanks very much - it’s very nice to know the video is appreciated. Hope all is well in Vienna and all the best from the UK, cheers, Phil.
Hi, I'm still not clear why you replaced the V7 III with newer but similar V7 with small incremental improvements. Obviously you liked the V7 enough to stay with MG. Is it worth it for someone with a nice V7 III to spend the extra money for the 850?
Looking at it differently: I am currently looking at a new 850 Special, or for a little less money also at 2017 V7 III Anniversario (chrome gas tank, wire wheels, analog gauges, etc.) with 5000 miles, Agostini slip-ons, Hepco & Becker pannier bags, upgraded rear shock and front fork cartridge by Matris, all removed factory parts, full dealer service history.
Good afternoon - yeah good question! I'll do my best to answer it and the first thing to mention is context. Basically, the purchase was the "last keeper before retirement" bike. And looking into the future, I also knew that my Kawasaki Z900RS (as brilliant as it is) would probably get a little bit too much for me at some point. So the keeper had to be a Guzzi - and given I wanted to do lots of long distance trips on it, I felt the additional power of the 850 would provide that. I also had the funds to swap the bikes over...
Now having ridden both bikes essentially back to back, the power IS welcome, as is the handling - but the 850 is quite a bit heavier. I don't regret getting the 850 at all - but in reality the V7III did everything I needed it to. On that basis, if funds were tighter, I would have just kept the 750 and added a few parts on it.
So, if you've got the opportunity to get a nice 750, well, you won't be disappointed. Just sit on them both see what you think and decide if 50HP Vs 65HP is OK or not. I will say the 750 has more charm though!
Hope that helps and thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
So funny to see this , I ordered a special and started the wait ,,
Then I stumbled upon your review of the 900rs , I really thought I’d made a mistake with the v7 as I’m coming from an F3 and a line of Ducati before that , I began to think the v7 might be a bit underwhelming
, I’ve had mine a month now and I think it’s going to be a keeper , had to up grade the front disc to Brembo as the sunstar rubbish they are fitting clunked the rivets are so loose , I’m Hexham based so maybe our paths may cross , lol I’ve hit the subscribe button .
Morning David, good to hear from you. I guess you had quite a wait also? I found myself changing my mind all the time and needed a good talking to from the wife to settle down. Now that I’ve got it I couldn’t be happier and I think with the extra power it’s got enough poke and speed to be the ‘only’ bike if it came to it. With the old 750, while it wa totally charming I always felt I couldn’t live without a bit more speed, hence a second bike that could provide that.
First I’ve heard about the discs, I’ll keep an eye on it - thanks for the tip. I’ll be in mud mode for the next six months, so if you see someone scratching their head while staring at an OS map in the Hexham area it might be me. Thanks for the sub and thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Very nice! I am retired and I've been 10 years without a bike and from what I've seen from TH-cam content makers like yourself the V7 might be just what I need. I'm trying to find a deal on a new V7 Special, but regardless I should have one by the time the weather here in Arizona USA starts cooling down in October. I look forward to more Moto Guzzi content from your channel.
Hey Steve, thanks for dropping by and great to hear from you. Obviously I’m completely biased when it comes to Guzzi’s so I can’t really be trusted to offer an objective opinion but they are proper bikes, lovely to look at, a bit different, take some getting used to but very rewarding to ride and own. Good luck with finding your deal and let me know how you get on.
Unfortunately I won’t be able to get much more Guzzi content out as I’ve gone and broken my leg but normal service will I hope be resumed next year 😀 Have a good day, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews From the TH-cam videos I've watched most owners are very fond of their Moto Guzzi's. If so many owners all speak about the bikes in the same fashion they must excellent motorcycles indeed and do the job they were designed for very well. I've gotten some quotes on a new 2022 Special but I think I'll wait until the 2023's hit the showroom's before making a purchase just be sure I don't miss out on anything, plus I expect there might be new paint schemes coming? Get well soon, hopefully you'll be fully healed and back on your bike this spring!
That’s one of the best descriptions of the suspension I’ve heard yet…crashy. I have a 2010 v7 classic and love the bike, but the suspension exactly as you described, crashy. Sometimes I feel like my rump is about to cave in when going over basic road imperfections. Gorgeous new 850 you have!
Hello! Thanks for stopping by. I’m glad the description worked and like you, it doesn’t stop me from enjoying the bike at all. I imagine you’ve got used to gently raising yourself off the seat when something challenging is heading your way on the road. Let’s face it, who wants a perfect Guzzi?
As for the 850, thanks, it is really quite gorgeous and winter can’t end soon enough.
Hope all is well where you are and happy Christmas, cheers, Phil.
Congrats on new bike Phil, looking forward to long term in dept review. Cheers
Thanks Bilal, that’s the idea but will need to wait until 2022 now…Thanks for stopping by (again) and hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
I got one a few months back, it's just perfect, I will never sell this bike...EVER :)
Merry Christmas - great to know you’re loving your bike….I think I may have said the same thing a few times 😀 But yeah, it’s lovely! Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Oh, and is the dry clutch NOISY ???
Thanks.
Hello again, well it makes a ‘different’ noise depending when it’s in or out but it’s not noisy as in loud. Basically it rattles a little when it’s out but is quiet when in! Cheers, Phil.
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THANKS, again!
THANK YOU sir.
Question please. Is there any/much 'engine braking' on the MG? What is it like?
And how would you describe the seat comfort?
Many thanks.
Regards.
Hello, great to hear from you & thanks for stopping by. In answer to your questions, yes, there is engine braking and it’s very progressive and useful coming up to bends or other situations. If you change down and let the clutch out you just need to be aware of how the shaft drive reacts and make sure the revs are nicely matched and feed the clutch out. You can’t bang it down the gearbox like a truly modern bike and get the back wheel skipping! It becomes second nature after a few rides.
As for the seat comfort - it’s one of the best! Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
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THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH sir.
GREATLY APPRECIATED.
(I mean it, it means a LOT to me.)
ALL the VERY BEST.
Greetings from the land of 'OZ'. (Australia)
I had a V7II, and now I have the V7 850. The V7II was rough, the 850 is more refined (for a Guzzi). The new tyres are a big upgrade, the Pirelli Sport demon were terrible when cold. The Dunlop's have more grip, I feel more comfortable leaning.
Hey Hugo, thanks for stopping by. Yes, I agree with all those points in comparison to my old V7III also. Especially the tyres / the OE Pirelli’s we’re just plain evil and I don’t think I ever got them warmed up enough to see their good side and to be honest, I doubt they have one!
Hope you’re well, cheers, Phil.
Good review, two great bikes, and beer too!!
What more could a person want Robert? Also it’s three bikes - yeah, I know, I’m spoiled rotten 😀 Hope all is well where you are, thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
So - Been a big Guzzi fan for years! and looking at the V7 to keep my Enfield Bullet 500 efi Classic happy. (it gets lonely!). Retirement is now only 2 months away (yippeee) and going to treat myself to one. Question is be it the 750 v3 or the new 850... Just gonna have to try both! Then again there is the V9....oh dear !
Hey Mel, thanks for stopping by. Yeah tricky decision…and neither is wrong, both are brilliant. As for the V9, well, it’s not the best handling bike or rather it does have a very different vibe. Back to the V7 the 850 has a bit more heft and speed about it, while the 750 has less but is charming like a clockwork cuckoo clock. So yes, try both - specs tell us nothing.
That won’t help but sure you’ll have fun trying! Happy retirement and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
What boots you are wearing in your video? Looking for something that tall for track days and I like the look of them because they don't look like complete power ranger boots.
Hello! I’ve been wearing / using Daytona boots for ever…expensive but fabulous and waterproof. I tend to get 10 years out of a pair after much abuse and miles. Not sure if they are particularly for track days (more a touring boot) but I’m sure they offer enough protection even if they don’t have toe sliders…Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Daytona boots are indeed great and they'd last even longer than 10 yrs. if you were using the Daytona shoe polish 😂. The state yours are in is lamentable (5:03 - 5:12, no offense) 😉. Daytona which is a owner-managed mid-size company in Bavaria (nice portrait of the company here: th-cam.com/video/Aa7beEeLFpU/w-d-xo.html , unfortunately no subtitles) even offers to renew the sole of their boots and you may send them in for any type of repair. Can't tell if this is economically reasonable for UK owners.
Morning Thomas, there is special Daytona shoe polish? Wow! Lamentable boots…I feel ashamed, what can I say 😀 Thing is they are so comfortable I’ve used them for off road riding, doing the gardening, decorating as well as probably 100’s of thousands of miles. What really wrecked them was UK winter riding when they got soaked in salty water and of course, never got washed.
Good links though, possibly not workable in these times of Brexit but I will speak to the financier and see what can be done 😀
Cheers, Phil.
Hola, para viajar con pasajero y equipaje es suficiente la pitencia que tiene????.... Saludos desde Chile 🇨🇱
Buenas tardes, gracias por visitarnos y espero que todo esté bien en Chile! Me encantaría visitar un día!
Personalmente, diría que viajar con un pasajero en el CRF, ciertamente para distancias más largas, no sería muy bueno. Es una bicicleta pequeña, con un asiento duro y creo que sentirías que el rendimiento se resiente bastante. Sin embargo, si usted y su pasajero pueden soportar eso, seguro que podría funcionar. Tal vez la versión Rally podría ser una mejor opción. ¡Todavía recomendaría la actualización de la suspensión ya que dos personas (a menos que sean muy livianas) aplanarían la suspensión!
Solo, con equipaje estaría bien y tengo la intención de hacerlo en algún momento.
Espero que ayude, gracias por mirar y espero que todo esté bien contigo,
Salud,
Phil.
Can’t decide between this and BMW nineT Pure… besides more power in BMW, it’s hard to decide which one to pick
Hey Alex, well, wanting a Guzzi has nothing to do with power, specs and handling. It’s about wanting one for a reason you can’t quite understand but is like an itch. The fact that the V7 does handle well and has enough power now, is like icing on the cake. Dynamically the BMW is a fabulous bike and quite emotive also. Personally BMW’s don’t do it for me in this class of bike and Guzzi’s do…It could be the opposite for other folk.
Yeah, sat on the fence so…Guzzi’s are special and if that’s important to you, you know what to do!
Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
Hi Alex. Currently have a V7 850 have owned a R9T Racer in the past. V7 is a more chilled ride and much much more comfortable. R9T was a harder ride and the engine was not as revvy or sweet IMHO. Yes more powerful and faster but not massively so and who wants to go fast anyway?
Perfectly put Jon, cheers, Phil.
I did enjoy your videos about your green Moto Guzzi V7. How do you like the newer model? I am looking forward to see your next video about this bike when it is broken in. Keep the good quality going!
Hey Vincent, thanks for stopping by and great to you’re enjoying the videos. As for the newer model, I still stand by my comment that it’s more effective yet has lost a tiny bit of charm. Although, it was really starting to get under my skin. I think once it’s run in and I can use all the rev range and get some proper miles on it, all will fine!
More videos to come soon, hope you’re well, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Hi Phil, thank you for the answer. Everything well over here. On your side too? I am anxious about the next video's of your beautifull Guzzi.
Love your videos. I've long wanted a Guzzi (years if not over a decade). It's hard to decide which one.
Hey Rob, thanks very much, great to know you enjoy the reviews. Like you I wanted one forever. They’re all reliable these days and great in their own way, so looks and the flip of a coin should do the trick. That won’t help at all but you’ll know the right thing to do at some point.
Thanks for stopping by, hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
I have a Honda CB1100ex and it is like a Swiss watch. I have a Guzzi Roamer and it is more like a cement mixer. I do like the Guzzi and find it the one I prefer to ride.
Thanks Fred, cement mixer is a very good description for the Guzzi! I’ll use that!
Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Cracking video. Very informative and well made.
Good morning Mr. Williams - great to hear from you & thanks for stopping by. Really appreciate your comments and very glad to hear you enjoyed the video. All the best, hope you're warm (if in the UK or Iowa), cheers, Phil.
Hello! I was curious how your Moto Guzzi has been in terms of reliability? Also how do you find the handling of it compared to the z900rs? I currently have a z650rs, and its an amazing bike, does everything so well. However I test rode a 2023 v7 850 and it was intoxicating. Something about how unrefined it was, and the way it was shaking while riding, I keep thinking about it. Do you think I would regret selling my z650rs for the moto guzzi? I've mostly owned refined Japanese bikes, but something about the Moto Guzzi tempts me so.
Good morning and great to hear from you. In terms of your question I personally only speak about my V7III (the 750) on which I did around 10,000 miles as I had to sell my 850 with only 900 miles on it due to post accident mobility problems. Anyway, the 750 was spot on, no problems at, keep it in oil and it will go on forever. I took it for 2500 mile Euro tour one year and it was totally brilliant - used no oil and nothing weird happened and it was fun, comfortable and economical.
Compared to the RS the handling of the Guzzi’s is perfectly fine but it’s ‘old fashioned’ mainly because of the 18’’ front wheel. Undoubtedly the RS on some sort of empirical scale handles ‘better’ a lot of which is down to the suspension, as the suspension on the Guzzi’s is basic and crashy. Despite that you can push on quite well on the Guzzi - it’s just different.
Some folk don’t like Guzzi’s precisely because of the traits you mention - they rattle, rumble and do things their own way such that the rider has to spend time to learn how and when to get the best out of them. The RS on the other hand, within fives minutes of getting on it, you know what it’s going to do and when. I guess it’s the difference between an acquired taste and a strawberry ice cream 😀
Would you regret selling the Z650? Not for me to say but practically they do about the same job so it’s down to what you want out of a bike. Which one will make you smile more, even if it’s nominally less perfect on paper? Which one will make you smile more on opening the garage door?
My plan for the future was to keep my 900RS until such time I no longer wanted the speed of a big bike and the Guzzi would be my forever bike just because I found it irresistibly charming to ride and look at.
Hope that helps, let me know what you decide to do and thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
P.s. is you check out the other 850 video it features lots of remarks from other owners. Also, if any Guzzi owners are reading this, please feel free to give your thoughts, thanks 😊
@@80eightReviews Thank you for all the information! Sorry to hear about your accident, hope your recovery is going well.
That's good to hear your V7 750 was reliable. Haha that analogy makes sense of why some people like the Moto Guzzi for the same reason others do not! The Moto guzzi felt the closest to my old Yamaha DS7 I used to have. It felt like an older less capable bike compared to my z650rs, but had so much character I was grinning the whole time riding.
I suppose my regret question is partly wondering If I would be sacrificing too much giving up the z650rs, but it sounds like the Moto Guzzi is still a capable enough bike even if less so.
That's interesting you mention the speed and confidence of the z900rs, which I know in your video you mentioned was partly a factor in your accident. I have been riding 15 years, but just came back after not for 3 years. Being older now, safety has been a bigger concern getting back into riding. I do already find myself driving a bit more recklessly then I would like with the z650rs and the confidence the handling inspires, and wonder if the Moto Guzzi would help tone that down for me.
Perhaps I will see if the dealership will allow me to test drive the Moto Guzzi again, and see how I feel after that. Greetings from the US!
I've 5 grand on my '21 stone (matte black} now and so far am very happy with it. I am confused though why mine has the old bulbous incandescent indicators and not the nice slim ones like yours (LED?). Are they OEM or aftermarket? I sure would like to get a set for mine. Have not seen them as replacement parts anywhere either. Maybe it's a U.S. thing.
Good morning, thanks for stopping and good to know you’re enjoying the V7. As for the indicators they are the OEM fitment here and look the same as the ones shown in the Guzzi promo shots - at least on the European website. And yes, they are LED…I think! The 750’s had bulbous white lens filament bulbs, are yours like that then?
Might be a US thing if so. Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Mine are identical to the 750, look nothing like the 850 promo pics, US website says indicators are not LED but yet in promo pics they are. They are the main thing I want to change besides the exhaust, which I did swap out for the Mistral set already. Am confused why US market didn't get the LED version. Perhaps due to production shortages or US DOT certification. The fact that the LED version does exist though suggests they may be available here eventually. Thanks.
Yeah, that’s a bit of a drag. Must admit I was somewhat disappointed when I found out the CRF300L model we get in Europe doesn’t feature the LED lighting they get over in Thailand. Most unfair!
Hi, what is the app that you use on the video while riding? The one with speed, map etc. thanks
Hey Gabriele, hope you’re doing well. The app is called goprotelemetryextractor.com/ and while it can be a bit fiddly it’s definitely worth persevering with, hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
Ive got a black V7 850 Stone in June this year. Just coming up to second service, its brilliant. Once first service is done it gets better.
Gear box is defintely clunky for the first couple of thousand miles, and neutral can sometime be a bit shall we say Guzzi like. The engine is great, overtakes where I would be cogging down to 3rd on the V7III, can be taken in 4th or even 5th on the 850 Yes the front forks arent brill but still improvement over the V7III (I had one for about 10 months and did 6000 miles and sawpped it for the 850). Ive done a few night rides and the headlight is great. I really dont notice the weight. I have a 750 Nevada and it feels a way heavier to push around than the V7 850.
As to what I prefer between the V7III and the V7 850, give me the 850 any day.
Hello, thanks for stopping by - good to hear your thoughts on the bike. I’m totally expecting the bike to improve as you say - my 750 really got to its best around 5000 miles so I’m expecting something similar with the 850. Now that I’ve had chance to do a couple of longer rides on the 850 I really notice the much improved handling, rear suspension and power, so I’m glad I made the change - like you say you can hang on to higher gears and the bike now properly squirts forward on the throttle, which is great.
I’m OK with the weight - just I have a slope out of my garage and I have to put a bit more effort into it now!
Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Know what you mean about slope out of garage have one of those too. After shoving my Spada or Nevada up it the V7 seems easier. Still exercise is supposed to be good for you
So I’ve heard…
As far as Italian bikes, I have owned a ducati 860, moto morini 500 camel, laverda 3cl 1000, cagiva 650, and currently have a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 and a 2013 Moto Guzzi Stone 750. Have owned several German bikes to include BMW and Zundaps. Grew up with British bikes--meaning Triumph and BSA. Have never been interested in Harley. Owned several Suzuki's to include 2-stroke models and the Wankel rotary 750. The Moto Guzzis have been my favorite above all the rest. Quirky, reliable, tractor-like in that the Japanese "refinement" is not there--but if you love just being connected to machinery and sound--Moto Guzzi!--mike battle
Good afternoon, that sounds like a proper Italian passion. Totally get the quirky thing and that’s why I like the juxtaposition of my Z900 and the V7. It’s like electric VS Steam, digital VS analogue. And you had an RE-5! I remember seeing one of those years ago in a shop on Deansgate in Manchester and gazing in amazement at it (I had a GP100 at the time) - not so much the engine, but at the clocks housed in a transparent tube on top of the headlight. Taking the idea of ‘rotary’ way too far!
Anyway, thanks for watching and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
so weird, my left hand mirror came loose too. what's with that
It’s gotta be a factory test rider thing - I reckon they fold them in on those narrow roads near the factory….thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Thanks for a very interesting alcohol fuelled analysis. Now 73, I have not ridden for 8 years but am tossing up between a used (and no doubt overpriced ) V7 III and a new 850cc model. I'm probably more confused now! I wouldn't put money on your future plans for no more new bikes in retirement, once in the blood...
Hey Peter, thanks for stopping by, glad you enjoyed the review even if it didn’t help too much 😊 Either bike is a delight to own and ride and both will put a smile on your face. You can’t go wrong. As for retirement plans, ha ha, I’ll back to you on that!
Hope all is well where you are, let me know where the dilemma takes you, cheers, Phil.
wonderfully shot!
Thanks very much Joseph, hope you’re well, cheers, Phil.
Hobgoblin King Goblin, pretzels and Suzi Perry are my go to after a ride on my V7 iii now shod with Bridgestone BT 46 ‘s. So much better than the Demonics as you said.
Almost jumped from my two year old V7 to the 850 but will give it a year to see if other versions come out, maybe a Rough? Just a quick question, is the seat height any different? Very important for my 29” inside leg measurement 😩.
Great review as always and really looking forward to future updates 👍🏻
Hey Jez, yeah that’s not a bad combo to be honest. King goblin is much richer and special than the standard stuff and a cream cheese pretzel hits the mark. And Suzi is the constant, so no argument there!
As for the 850, I totally expect there will be some nice variations coming out next year. But I refuse to look at them or be tempted. Though if a LeMans or Stornello popped up I’d be selling a kidney. On the seat height it feels exactly the same as before although it might be a touch wider so I don’t think you’d have any problems. More coming soon!
Hope all is well where you are, thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
Love the video. I was always wondering if it was worth the upgrade. As it's my first street bike, I'm very happy with my 2020 V7 Stone S. The last of the 750's! It came with the Dunlop arrow tires and the different non-eagle LED headlight from the factory.. but the centernario is a gorgeous bike and I'd probably have one if they had one at the dealer when I was buying.. Cheers from Texas!
Good morning - thanks for your comments and great to know you enjoyed the video. Your 2020 V7 is a brilliant bike and I do think unless you’ve got particular reasons for upgrading and/or absolutely need that extra power, then it’s a marginal decision - aside from looks etc. I’m now really enjoying the power but on the 750 I was perfectly happy with it anyway! One for a test ride I think!
Hope all is well is in Texas, greetings from the UK, cheers, Phil.
Hi Phil, glad to see you finally got your bike. Great videos, made all the difference for me in my decision, very happy with my 850 in orange! It's transformed the way I ride, on my old sports bike it was all about maximum speed everywhere, but on the Guzzi I enjoy it at all speeds; it's just such an engaging thing to be on. It's not fast, but it's fast enough, and can keep up a surprising amount of speed on cross country blats. Think the handling is my favourite bit, it's so much better than you think it'll be! Looking out at heavy snow now so time to tuck it up for winter.
Thanks again Wilf
Hey Wilf, thanks for dropping by again and yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It’s a zero pressure, max fun motorbike. I don’t know about you but I do like to feel as though I’m properly working a bike and getting a lot out of it and as you say on faster machines, that tends to mean only one thing…despite that being much fun it can be rather intense and not to mention licence and life threatening. Plus I’m rubbish and the roads round here are so bumpy that it’s kinda pointless for me anyway.
We’ve no snow yet but blimey it’s cold, so likewise with mine and it’s time for the CRF to earn it’s keep. Have a good Christmas and no doubt we’ll both resurface in the summer. Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
Stunning motorcycle. I am not even a rider but I love it. Now beginning to think getting into motorcycle. Would you recommend to start riding on this guzzi v7? Or is it too much?
For the man in his forties.
Good morning and good to hear from you - plus it's good to know you like the bike! As for starting riding - presumably you'll be learning on smaller / lighter bike to begin with, but when moving on to something bigger the Guzzi would be just fine. It's not too overpowering, it's super easy to ride and the handling is lovely.
There are probably bikes that have more 'normal' characteristics (say like a CB500) which won't rock from side to side when revving or have a slightly odd gear change feel (as does the Guzzi), but none of those things are problematic - they are just things to get used to.
Hope that helps and let me know what you decide to do,
All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews
Thank you very much!
Yeah I have the same question.. I’ve riden many a scooter (125) and drive a manual car.. I kinda want to jump straight to this. Good idea? Or should start smaller?
Hello! Personally, I’d say you would be just fine. Probably the most significant thing to get used to is the weight compared to a smaller bike. Despite that the V7 is super easy to ride, has a low seat height and is very comfortable.
Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews thanks for the response
My V7iii gearbox was very sludgy when cold until i did the first service. The original fluid was way down and probably full of grease or something. New fluid and it was right as rain.
Good morning Johnny, thanks for stopping by and interesting to hear about your gearbox experiences. I had my first service a while back and that also seemed to improve things. I can't try it now though -hopefully in 2023! Cheers, Phil.
Great to hear you're enjoying the 850. I suspect part of the extra weight is the Euro 5 exhaust. I'm betting the accessories catalog would solve it - to the disappointment of your bank balance. Safe riding.
Thanks very much - I’ve now totally ‘got’ the 850 and love it to bits. Yes, I think your right, the exhaust is much bigger now, plus the rear wheel and shaft drive are much more chunkier than before. At the moment, I’m preferring the bank balance to reducing the weight though 😀 Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Hi. Thanks for the great videos. Long story but pretty sure we ve swapped bikes 😊
You got the centenario I ordered (waited so long I took the first available v7 into motech which was a light blue stone) and I ve bought your old green one for my sweetheart who is learning to ride at the moment.
Evening Paul, ha, oops - that might be the case. I ordered the light blue one back in February! We should gang up on Mark @ Motech and find out what was going on 😀 Great to know you got my old V7 though, your other half will absolutely love it. Would be interesting to get your thoughts on the two bikes now you’ve got them in the same garage. I’ve decided the 850 has a different sort of charm to the V7III but it is still totally Guzzi.
Anyway, great to know you enjoyed the video and maybe see you Byker at some point! Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews I think Mark was totally frustrated with the whole situation of not having the bikes come in but he was great with us and I can't fault him. 😀
We should have a guzzi family reunion over a coffee...and a biscuit of course 😉
I ordered in Feb aswell, but only actually passed my tests in Sept so the 850 is my first bike and like you I saw the le man's on a magazine cover and knew if/when I got a bike it would be a guzzi.
I ve rode both now and love your 750 for so many reasons but love the 850 for others...its win win as I love them both.
Just hope jo can get through her tests ASAP so she can enjoy the guzziness.
Thanks for the reply, and hope to grab that coffee sometime. Keep up the great videos 🙏
Hey Paul, yeah Mark, Neil and crew at Motech are absolutely brilliant - I was bugging them every month, knowing full well it wasn’t their doing and they were really flexible and understanding. Plus whenever I took my old V7 in for a service it always came back in tip-top condition. They are brilliant and gave me a great trade-in on the green one!
As you quite rightly say, the bikes are different and have different aspects to enjoy. I’ve longed thought, like some mad Guzzi collector I really every model of V7 in every colour, including a Stornello…..
As for a reunion, I think at the moment the emotions are too raw…I need green bike closure..I’ll be alright next year though 😀
@@80eightReviews haha yeah I get that. If I won the lottery I'd be a crazy collector but for now I'm just grateful for realising my lifelong dream of being on two wheels.
Yeah i was more thinking next year, I doubt I ll be riding through the winter and happy to be a fair weather rider till I get more experience.
Cheers 🍻
I'm starting to get an interest in this bike - the blue and chrome special version. You're a bad influence Phil! Does it have a fuel gauge or low fuel warning light at all? Couldn't see one in video? Cheers, Jon.
Hey Jon, I think you do need to get. It opens up a strange and beautiful new world of charm and experience.
As for the fuel warning - you'll never need one as it does 250 miles to tank which is a good thing as 1) The stone / centenario has no fuel gauge or warning light while 2) The special does has a fuel warning light, which if my previous V7 was anything to go by, typically comes on at 200 miles when you've got around 4 - 5 litres left.
You'll just get used to the old fashioned way of setting the trip every time you fill up which in any case, then allows you to keep a spreadsheet of calculated fuel consumption and do nice graphs and charts and things. Its whole new world as I said!
Cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thanks for swift reply. Sounds right up my street actually. I’ll keep you posted Phil. Probably go for test ride tomorrow. 👍
@@80eightReviews Ordered some Loch Lomond IPA . Starter pack! 🍻
Hey Jon, let me know how you get on! If it feels weird, or indeed it feels like an actual machine, as opposed to something from the digital era - that is the correct response and means you really need one 😀
Cheers, Phil.
Loch Lomond….It’s good stuff plus…Great artwork on the cans 😀 What more could the discerning beer quaffer need?
So a v7iii with good rear shocks should be great?!
Morning! Well, it's a great bike already but sorting out the rear shocks with some quality items, would really improve it. And if you sort out the front forks also you'd have a fabulous machine with suspension to match. Good to hear from you again, cheers, Phil.
Cheers Phil!
I'd love to see them re-release the Le Mans. Another great video.
You know what…so would I. Despite what I said in the video I might change my mind and swap something if Guzzi brought one out…Thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
Hi there, great review thanks. I've been pondering buying a V7 850 special but feel at 6ft tall it may be a tad too small for me, I would greatly value your thoughts on this. Happy new year and Cheers from Consett.
Hello and hope all is well is Consett this morning. Obviously you need to try it, but the bike is very roomy from a seat to pegs to handlebar perspective and despite the usual fear of hitting the cylinders with your knees that’s unlikely. It’s a very low bike which might make the bike feel “too small” when at a standstill but I would imagine that riding won’t be a problem. For reference I’m 5’10 / 32” leg. I guess it will be more about preference and whether the bike might feel a little “toy-like” as opposed to outright comfort - which I reckon will be fine. If you’re looking at carrying a pillion though, then yeah, it might be somewhat compromised.
Hope that helps & thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
Would like to see the xls chart stating the 8% gain of effectiveness vs. 4% loss of charm and loveliness! 😂😉Keep strong! Best, Thomas
I’m on it Thomas. I might include a trend line also and currently thinking stacked 3D bar chart with pivot table? Love a good pivot table. I’m keeping well Thomas, likewise to you, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Good to read that you are doing well under the known circumstances. All the best, Thomas
Twiglets...........love em, but in short supply. None stocked in Sainsbury's for 3 weeks now!!
That’s shocking. Life isn’t worth living. We nearly ran out of dishwasher tablets the other day which could have been a total disaster. Going back to Twiglets though, the Christmas ones in a big drum are my favourite, they always seem to be really crunchy and savoury. Right, I’ve just had a snack attack…thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
As a past owner .. targa 750...breva1100 ive always had a twitch to return.... can it fit in shed next too himalayan and vstrom 1050xt......twitch twitch twitch....🥴🥴🥴atb .. 🍺
Hey Dave, well, if you don’t follow the twitch it can have many an unintended consequence and you can’t risk that. So best to follow, scratch the itch, etc. And while I don’t know your shed, of course it will fit 😀 And what a perfect trio that would make!
As always, thanks for stopping by (again), hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
All good here at Biscuit Central, Phil! I think the V7 is possibly your ideal bike, as it's left field, slightly eccentric & doesn't follow the herd. 🤭
I'm with you on the Fullers, as London Pride is my default pint, but it's a shame the speedo's eagle emblem doesn't look like Guiseppe Garibaldi's moustache, because then you'd have a really cool Italian biscuit reference as well. Tell you what, you can have that one for free! 😉
Evening Hugh, I think it is…Since doing the filming I managed to get out on a longer ride, felt the TE Lawrence vibe and thought it would be fun to try some gravel…so fully bonded now. I think I was hanging on to a previous affair, which is never good is it? As for a pint of Pride, oh yes - even as a semi-professional northerner I have to admit it’s right up there. I think I associate it with those gorgeous London pubs with green ceramic tiles and dodgy geezers at the bar. Perfect!
Garibaldi…Damn, spot on! It also reminds me of Alexei Sayle and his riff on the “revolutionary biscuits” of Italy, featuring the Garibaldi and Bourbon…Yeah, so I might have that 😀
Hope all is well, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews I still prefer "squashed fly" biscuits to bourbons, though. 😋
I like the “special” edition with the dual clocks and the chrome hand rails. Beautiful piece of machinery! I’ve never ridden one, yet, but it reminds me of the Harley Davidson 883 I used to own in that it rattles and shakes and acts like something from 50 years ago. I think this is probably a better version of a “modern retro” than the Harley sportster? Don’t know for sure, but it makes a little bit more power and weighs quite a bit less, and the suspension has to be better than the Harley as no self respecting motorcycle manufacturer could qualify whatever Harley uses as “suspension” except……well, you know.
Hey Robby, thanks for stopping by - it’s good to hear from you. Yes, the Special is totally lovely and like you I do prefer the twin clocks - it’s just I’ve a got a thing for matt paintwork and black exhausts 😀
And if you like machines which shake, rumble, rattle and roll - you would love the Guzzi. In someways it’s just an old bike that’s been made modern and while I’ve only ever ridden a Harley a million years ago (1200 Sportster for like 2 miles), I reckon your comparison is probably about right! The suspension on the Guzzi is basic but it does the job and it does handle very nicely and consistently.
If you do end up with one, it would be great to know what you think. All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thanks for the reply and the wonderful review! I currently own a ‘21 Harley Davidson softail, Low Rider S and it’s a hoot of a bike! I love it! I am thinking seriously about something smaller and more nimble however to add to the collection. I really like the looks and reviews of the Kawasaki z900rs, but this Guzzi has really captured my interest! There’s just something about it that’s so unique and interesting? If things work out, I could possibly end up with both but no need to get greedy. There is a MG dealer in town, Tulsa, Oklahoma, but no Kawasaki dealer? No Triumph either? Not a deal breaker by any means but something to consider for sure. If push comes to shove I’m really leaning towards this V7. Anyway, thanks again and I’ll keep you posted.
Love the videos thank you. Quick Q…if you could only have 1 bike would it be the V7 or the z900rs & why? 👍🏼
Hey Oliver, how are you doing? Ok, I refuse to answer! Oh alright, I’ll answer in a slightly different way:
If it was one bike for the next five years : The Z900RS. It’s fast, whooshy, exciting and I still need a bit of that every so often. It’s gorgeous and lovely but not as charming as the Guzzi. It is amazing though. Basically I’d sell it and then buy a Guzzi!
If was one bike for the rest of my life : The Guzzi. It’s a bike I can see myself riding for a very long time both from the perspective of my ability to ride, what I want to do with my riding and the fact that it’s a bike to really grow into. Plus it will only look more lovely with age, it will get more charismatic, rarer and more interesting. And I guess I don’t want to be oiling chains when I’m 75. It will also be much cheaper to run than the Z when I retire.
And that’s kinda the plan…I fully expect to sell the Z when it either maybe gets too much for me or I just don’t need the speed and handling anymore. Hopefully that’s quite a while away though. I also kinda expect to go electric at that point and assuming there is no petrol left I’ll turn the Guzzi into a dinner table or something.
Hope that helps. Can I keep the CRF though? 😀
Anyway thanks for stopping by, hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thank you for the reply-as comprehensive & interesting as I expected! I’m yet to test ride a V7 (nearest dealership is not close by), though I enjoyer the z900rs when I tried it. I’m still enjoying my first proper bike-a modified Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor & I suspect the V7 may be next. Thank you for the videos & replies.
Morning Oliver, no problem. You’ve a great taste in bikes! Cheers, Phil.
Lovely bike. I've never had a modern goose but had an 850 Le mans a while back now i have a Le Mans 1000. Beatutiful machine with souk and spirit. Ditch your echaust and bilund some termiglionis on it let it breathe. Are you the same person who did reviews on the SJCam years ago. If so, thank you. I have a couole of them. Great little cameras.
Morning, thanks for stopping by. Ahhh a LeMans….very nice! As for the SJCam, no it wasn’t me I’m afraid but good to know they are working out for you. Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
Hi there, thank you for sharing the video and congratulations on your new bike. I'm very very tempted with the new V7 but I'm concerned about the weight as I'm only 164cm and about 60kg (pre-covid lockdowns) Does the weight of the bike feel similar on both old and new while riding? Is the weight of the bike more so a problem when moving around by foot? Cheers :)
Morning Antonella, thanks for stopping by, glad you enjoyed the video. As for the weight, it’s absolutely not noticeable while riding - indeed the 850 feels more nimble and easier to handle than the 750. I only notice it particularly as I have a slope in front of where I store the bike so pushing the 850 compared to the 750 does need noticeably more effort. On the level ground though it’s fine + the seat height is just as low as the 750. So yes, it’s only noticeable when pushing it around on foot really.
Hope that helps and hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thank you Phil that really is helpful. I'm in Ireland and rain starting to settle in. Safe motoring and thanks again :)
I am well the wrong side of 60 but still riding the same Guzzi Spada mark 1 that I bought in my 20s... I love it even more now. Ridiculously downtuned engine, agricultural gearbox, looks like a motorbike not a marvel comic wannabe, light and small, the easiest handling of any bike I have ever ridden... the perfect old bloke bike!
but if I were going to get a new one (that warranty comment made me think) yup, that 850 looks good indeed.
Good evening - great to hear from you - Spada MK1 - lovely! And you’ve had it for 40 years or so? Brilliant.
I wouldn’t mind one of those at all - beautiful looking bike…and practical. The V7 850 would feel like it’s from another planet in some ways (gearbox is smooth and clutch is light for instance) but I reckon you’d still feel the unmistakable Guzzi vibe and shake though.
Anyway, great to hear from you, thanks for watching, cheers, Phil.
Nice photography, will you be getting a V100???
Hey Les, thanks for stopping by and great to know the work is appreciated. As for the V100, it seems to be a cracking bike and I would be sorely tempted if it wasn’t for my dodgy leg, which, I think is going to restrict me to feet forward 2 wheelers from now on. Not to worry 😀
If you decide to get one, let me know! All the best, cheers, Phil.
what a great looking machine !
It is, I love it! Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
I love my V7 ii ... am worrying that by the time I need a new one that the V7 will have become too watered down, I love their 'charm'.
Morning Andrew....Thanks for stopping by and yeah...I know exactly what you mean...Charm is an undefinable thing and as per the video I still believe the 850 has had a little bit shaven off compared to my previous V7III. I rode the V7II on a test ride and that had even more charm, though on balance the slightly better handling on the V7III (and power) swung it.
I think anyone coming to the bike 'new' anyone would still think it's one of the most charming / subtly idiosyncratic bikes out there. I'd say when it comes to swap, head for the V7III first - loads out there at good prices and see what you think.
All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thanks Phil ... my V7 will be in service for another good 5 yrs, so we'll see whats on offer then.
Hey Andrew, and the best thing about that is your bike is going to look even more lovely, so performance etc, is immaterial. You have absolutely the right attitude, cheers, Phil.
Enjoy your new Guzzi :) as I have some more years to work before enjoying my pension…. I stay a bit longer with my V7 III special 🤣
Great video again… looking forward to see your next one. Cause if the main actor is a Guzzi or the Honda (I ride a crf 250l too) the chance to see my favourite bikes is 2:3 😂
Cheers 🍻 from Germany
Hello! Thanks very much, great to know you enjoyed the video. It should be a CRF video coming next, not sure when yet but hopefully before Christmas…Hope all is good in Germany and the V7 is going well. Prost! Cheers, Phil.
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I really enjoy my V7 … this week Friday it is the 1st anniversary of the bike 🏍 ;) 13500km and still a beauty 😉
Excellent!
Hi thanks for the video. I have just diacovered yohr channel and hoping to test drive a z900 in the next few weeks. What do you uae to produce the tracks and inclination overlays on the video as I have never seen this before. Thanks and enjoy.
Hey John, thanks for stopping and glad you enjoyed the video - let me know how you get on with the test ride. As for the telemetry overlays I use an application called "Telemetry Overlay" goprotelemetryextractor.com/telemetry-overlay-trial
You'll need GoPro or other camera that records GPS then you just import the footage, choose which gauges you want then export either the overlay only or the combined footage. It works well but can be computer resource hungry. Hope that helps, cheers, Phil.
I like the Stone generally but I would have to have the twin clocks off the classic.
Good afternoon...You're right - that could very much be the perfect V7 variant...I'm sure they'll bring something out like that at some point as lots of folk have mentioned it. Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Totally agree with you on how bad these hipster beers 🍻 are. I am all about the porters. Great review on the guzzi
Hey Rodrigo, how are you doing and thanks for stopping by. Porters, oh yes - any particular favourites you can recommend? Here in the UK as per the video Fullers and also Samuel Smiths are cracking beers. I’ve had Anchor porter also which is very nice! Glad you enjoyed the Guzzi review and it too is a very flavoursome and rich little motorcycle 😀
Hope all is well where you are, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Hi Phil, I’m from Chicago and there is a local brewery from Wisconsin, Lakefront Brewery, that has a coffee stout that is delicious. Looking to get Guzzi a like yours soon. I like the all black and the color scheme you got.
Hey Rodrigo, well, it’s unlikely I’ll get your local brew over here but it sounds delicious. If I’m ever in Wisconsin…
Ooh good choice on the Guzzi, I do really like the flat black one - and the only reason I got the anniversario version is that it was a cancelled order.
Anyway, let me know how you get on when you make your purchase, cheers, Phil.
Absolutlely i love the centenario!!!!!
Me too! It’s just lovely 😊 Thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Hah, cracking video, i dont have a guzzi yet but i have yours for this evening, i have a beer and went to motogp last week so its BSB on catchup tonight. I do have a cb650 im really bonding with, im tempted by a guzzi but will the drop in 30hp make me cry? Im not sure. I do like the idea of one before everything goes electric though as i did my test on a ducati monster so the need for crazy design and character is there. 😎👍
Hey Pete, how are you doing? Blimey, sounds like to me you have the perfect life! I’m sure it’s well deserved 😀
I think you’ll be OK with the drop in power if you did go with the Guzzi, torque makes up for a lot plus, when you look down at the tank, see the eagle and those two cylinders sticking out, you’ll feel all warm and smiley inside. This is what Guzzi’s do to a person 😀 Of course though, you do meet the nicest people on a Honda!
But, if mad design and character is your thing, the Guzzi has it in spades. Anyway, if you decide to make the jump, let me know! Hope all is well, thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Thanks for the great review on the swill and the bike. I love that I can have long legged and easy to live with. In my youth i have tried and failed miserably hit that nirvana. I am long in the tooth and a happy enuich now with my pleasantly charming dwarf of a wife. I look forward to livinng out the dreams of my youth with my Italian beauty.
Thanks Abe, good to have you back. How’s the voice? Quite high pitched? Look after yourself, dreams of one’s youth can create a degree of trouble, but I’m sure you’ll be fine. Happy 2022! Cheers, Phil.