Is the MSR Pocket Rocket DELUXE Worth the MONEY?
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- Get You Own PaleoHikerMD Patches HERE!: www.etsy.com/s... I recently picked up the new MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe, and I have to say that I'm very happy that I did! Today we take a look at it vs three other stoves...a generic canister stove, the BRS Titanium Stove, and the Jetboil Mighty Mo. Let's see who wins!!
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Ernie, hands down you make some of the most comprehensive, and yet to-the-point and concise, gear review videos on the internet. Keep up the great work!!
It's a well establish fact that "a watched kettle never boils." So boil times will vary! Thanks for this detailed and useful review.
I like how you show your review in windy conditions sadly lacking in other stove reviews
Impressive, you were able to make a convincing case for the more expensive items without running down the cheap ones. I really appreciate the use-case explanations, giving each stove its due.
Well put.
Love your confident and clear conclusion
A review with wind tests... Yes! Thank you.
Came here to see if my “cheap” stove uses more fuel. Happy to see how well it compares. The light weight and small form factor make it a great option. I don’t abuse my gear, so “cheap” feel not an issue for me. Thx
Why is the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe now $85 in November 2023? Did they make some new improvement as compared to 4 years ago with the one you have in this video for I think you said $63? Thanks for another great video. You got me to return my Whisperlite International as I saw your video on that today just before I was going to start it for the first time and hadn't put the white gas in the bottle yet so just in time! I paid $160 for it and $26 for the 20oz MSR bottle. Once I get the Deluxe is it where every time you pack up to move on you unscrew it from the cannister. Are the cannisters made so you can do that often. I'm going to bike tour and will take it out twice a day to boil water for 2 weeks.
This was an outstanding comparison test. Answered all my questions. Thank you!
Great video, exactly the breakdown I was looking for!
Good review. However I think you should update the brs test because there is clearly something wrong with yours. Mine is adjustable from a candle flame all the way up to nuclear explosion!
I love my pocket rocket deluxe, I got one as a kit with a pot and handle, bowl, and a storage bag, I got it for hiking and camping trips.
Thank you again for another great video, because of this video, it has helped me with my decision to upgrade from the cheap stove to the MSR.. thank you sir !
Great comparison. Thanks for sharing. I was surprised to hear you say that the BRS was either on or off. Mine has a shocking amount of range, from SR71 afterburner roar, all the way down to about the size of a bic lighter flame. I have however heard of quality control issues with the BRS though.
Thank you, thank you for doing this test/analysis. :)
I got one in a minimalist kit with the 1L aluminium pot for 100 quid... well worth the money if you ask me. Ignites instantly, very precise control, super fast boiling times...
See absolutely no need for boil tests, totally a waste of time, however, fuel usage very important! As you say “you pays ya money, you takes your choice “😂 the best upgrade in stove design is the “gas regulator” especially as the gas depletes, any stove without it will struggle in wind and temperature to maintain any sort of optimum. Many thanks for all your hard work, much appreciated. Kind regards from Clive in deepest Dorset England.👍
Also, your thermometer might be accurate. Water boils at different temperatures based on altitude, humidity, room temperature, etc.
My guess is that he's at about 1000-feet elevation, which would give a bp of 210F.
Well, as long as he's consistent with where he ends the experiment then the comparison between stoves are fine
I just subscribed & rang the "All" notification bell AFTER reading all the replies. I thoroughly enjoyed what I consider a good, valid comparison of the 4 canister stoves. I'm still NOT going to buy any canister stove; I have & intend to continue using my original MSR Whisperlite which is a liquid fuel burning stove BECAUSE, my liquid fuel stove fires up regardless of altitude, temperature, or the amount of fuel remaining in the fuel bottle. The same can NOT be said for any & all canister fuel type stoves. Canister stoves are notorious for not wanting to fire up in weather BELOW 50º. Forget about firing up a canister stove if the temperature is below FREEZING or your above 7,500' or higher ALTITUDES, & produces a weak flame/heat output as the fuel pressure drops as the canister fuel nears depletion. I should add, my Whisperlite has a windscreen that I always use + an aluminum heat reflector on the stove's base + the ring of fire is much larger in diameter than any of the canister rings of fire. Yes, I do need to clean out the gas orifice with a cat's whisker & clean up the burner rings once a year which is simply normal maintenance. I especially like being able to physically look inside the fuel bottle to see how much fuel I have remaining.
This is super helpful. I am normally a no-cook hiker but I'm taking my wife out backpacking and needed something to heat water. Looking at these stoves they all pretty much look the same but the performance differences are so vast. Thanks for this.
I am glad you made this video. I am getting started in this hiking/backpacking stuff. I have looked at several different stoves and have been wondering what the differences are. You showed me the differences. Now I know what I need to buy.Thank you again and keep up the good video's.
Lee Hart The Japanese Soto windmaster stove, better than this one, watch other TH-cam reviews and then make your decision.
Interesting that you are so confident in the Piezo ignitor on the pocket rocket. I have read other reviews stating that it was very unreliable and the weakest part of the stove. I just received my new pocket rocket deluxe yesterday and haven't done much testing yet, but right out of the box the ignitor failed and I had to use a lighter. I'd rather just remove it completely and save a few grams. I already always carry a lighter so don't see the point in an unreliable ignitor.
Thanks for making a video Sir, I’m about getting one but I’m not sure how long we have to replace a fuel tank..??
Just something I notice after I bought the BRS 3000t, it has a Chinese name on it, it's called 大黄蜂 (Da Huang Feng) "Bumblebee"
I bought the Soto Amicus which is the little brother of the Windmaster. REI has it for $45 with two pots. The legs are delicate so not sure how much punishment it would take, i.e., like falling from a rock onto the ground. I does boil 500 ml of water in 2 1/2 minutes. Definitely any of these three stoves are a worthwhile buy: MSR PR, Soto Windmaster, Soto Amicus or the JetBoil. Buy what appeals to you personally as well as your budget.
Good review I use my own DIY wood burning and alcohol stoves but enjoyed your review of these canister stoves. Your pot stability review was great haven’t seen anyone do that yet and it’s definitely a factor.
Good review, I like the wind test.
A great review and comparison as always Ernie! Thanks for the great info!
Hey, Great video . Thank you . I have the Colman stove and it seems to work well for me. Never owned any other kind but no one ever talks about that one. Just wondering why ....... please keep the test videos coming .
Thanks a lot Ernie!
The LIXADA is a great little stove, very powerful but a windscreen is useful. I have mine for a year now and Im very happy with it!
Nice video! Does the regulator give an aditional advantage regarding fuel usage in low temperature?
I got the cheap generic with crappy piezo ignite.
It DOES have a flame regulator, it’s got the orange screw in base and silver mixing tube that looks like the Stanley cup .
Boils and simmers , in 14 km winds it will not light with piezo, you need a lighter. Other than that I love it!
11.99 Canadian .... I bought two
Just discovered your videos - it's so nice to see other campers/hikers from Louisiana! Curious as to where your favorite spots to go camping/hiking are that're within driving distance for a weekend trip. Thanks!
Yes there's many variables in testing stoves of all types but this is still a great review and certainly worth watching.
There is a flathead screw with a small gasket opposite the flame adjuster on my deluxe. I use my stoves a lot on the road as a truck driver, I use them to cook dinner at night. The flathead screw developed a leak and no matter how much I tightened the leak continued. Standing upright it is just a slow leak. But I was wondering why my canisters were always empty. I will not ever trust a stove like this backpacking. What a nightmare it would be to happen out in the wilderness with no flathead screwdriver. I will stick with my alcohol stoves (bios #5, fancy feast) for the important stuff. This should not happen for the prices they ask for this gear. It may be fine if you go out once or twice a year but for regular use on the trail I would say it’s not reliable.
Thanks for this comparison, Doc! Great and useful consumer info!
Absolutely excellent test. Great comparison. I agree with your conclusions. I noted with my smaller pots the distance between the supports make a difference. BRS for me since I’m going light and have a small pot. I’ll have to deal with the wind.
great video, i must admit i have the cheap no name stove, i bought it originally just to make a cup of coffee while i am on the road with work. yeah it is cheap and flimsy. the other problem with it that i found out on a trip 12 months ago. is that the blowtorch like flame make it really not suited to cooking up canned stews etc.
Ah mate, I have the two first stoves, I really hoped to find these to compare against the likes of jetboil (didn't expect they'd make this sort) and the new pocketrocket deluxe, especially as the latter is featured for more extreme climates (the cold). The only thing I disagree with is mere opinion, while it is cheap by price and feel, the generic has actually become my go-to for reliability. I have the same stove made by the same Chinese company but instead of brs it's the robens firemidge. It's absolutely useless, especially in the cold. I've used it with high hopes in the warmth of summer but about 10 degrees c or below and it just dies. Thanks so much for doing this, and extra bonus is the clear timing and proper experimental principles
I turned my alu pans into flavored woks, and the MSR cooks any food beautifully with pans. Which I feel is underappreciated by those reviewing the mini burners.
I've that generic, works great years later, durable & certainly worth the money! Get the propane adapter 4 sure!
Water boils at different temperature based on air pressure hence it will boil at a lower temperature in the mountains. Cake recipes used to show times based on altitude.
If you're using any canister stove out in the wild you should have some kind of wind shield. It's not really a big deal and you may be able to improvise something, especially if you carry some aluminium (aluminum for you 'muricans) foil along. If you get to some stormy place you'll definitely need it.
Regardless of which stove you use if you pair it with a bigger diameter pot it will boil quicker. With smaller diameter pots you loose too much heat blowing up the side rather than under the pot where you need it. Just saying.
Great video. Will the pocket rocket deluxe fit in your toaks 750 with a fuel canister?
Nope :(
I have had very different experience with the BRS 3000T stove. 2 cups of water boiling in 2:30 over a minute quicker that your test. And I have no issues with flame level control. I've also seen other tests online that show the fuel usage at 8g per 2 cup boil. (example REI video) Also the wheelhouse of the BRS is UL hiking. Boiling water is what it does. If you want to fry up some eggs or fish, there are much better stoves than any of the ones you are showing here.
why wouldn't the brs work for frying? what's the best portable stove for frying? just asking as i'm new to this.
Very nice. Lots of good information. Thanks.
Good review but wind test would mean more if you timed to the boil again.
That door bell made my German Shepard go crazy. Thanks 😂
How strong of a wind were you putting these stoves up against ?
How much water did you use?
Great review, Thanks.
Thank you, nice video!
BRS stove is labeled Lixada....are they the same company?
I use the PRD as my main but my back up is a King Summit is which is a higher quality BRS style in my opinion.
Waters boiling point is 212 degrees Fahrenheit at 1 atmosphere of pressure. So if you have a weather front that changes the atmospheric pressure or are not at sea level, water will be at a different temperature. so if you live between 1000-1500 ft altitude 210 - 209 degrees Fahrenheit is the boiling point.
Unfortunately I just rewound video since I remembered your patch in the intro having a location on it. So your states tallest point is Driskill Mountain at about 535 feet so the boiling point of water there is 211 F. And I doubt you live on the mountain.
Altitude definitely does not affect my testing LOL. Thanks for watching!
@@PaleoHikerMD I had no idea a state could be that short!
Truly revelatory video. Well done.
I motorcycle camp, so I just want a stove that can fry eggs, or burgers/veggies on a skillet. Speed of boiling water is not a factor.
I bought the PRD for it’s flame simmer control.
Should arrive in the next day or so.
The smile on the it's $20 bucks sold the review
Great video, i have been able to afford the higher ones show but its nice to see the difference between the two cheaper ones.
Great review Ernie was useing a piece of fat wood you sent me just the other day and thought of you how is the birch barksupply
Birch is running low my friend! Would
Love to trade you some more fat wood, or something else if you would like, for some more! Shoot me an email to PaleoHikerMD@gmail.com if you are game! I have a few ideas of trade items you may like in exchange for birch .)
20$ for a little lip...Not sure if I'm sold. I'm mainly a car camper/day hiker but I do like to carry a stove so I can have a hot meal in the middle of a decent(12-16 mile) hike.
Actually, when you’re using them at full tilt, there really ISN’T a lot of difference between canister stoves. My big gripe (and biggest concern) with some is that they don’t simmer well. Would liked to have seen a visual on the simmer abilities.
The BRS simmers, he just didn’t want to show or mention that because it would close the gap that much more of his new $70 stove he was given.
Should do boiling times in that wind. Would be interesting.
Do u sell any of your stuff ? Im lookibg to buy a stove i know u have alot
Nice one good review. Chilly over here in New Zealand 👍😎
Been using the PR original for years but now use the Primus Crux or the BRS on occasion. Wouldnt mind having the new MSR as well...
212° at sea level only. What is your elevation?
My MSR Delux gone back to MSR it fell apart, hope fully they with exchange
Muy detallada revision, gracias por compartir el conocimiento
Another good stove is the SOTO Windmaster $65 on Amazon.
The soto windmaster is way better than the msr pocket rocket deluxe in many ways. Also msr copied the design and technology from the soto.
Zpacks has the Soto windmaster for $64.95 includes the Triflex and 4flex
@@kikomsr I have used both and prefer the msr. The msr isn't as tall as the windburner and is therefore more stable feeling to me. If you buy a windburner I would suggest getting a canister base stand for added stability. I also am not crazy about the removable pot supports ( just another thing that could get lost...I know, it shouldn't get lost but these things happen). The MSR supports just fold out of the way for easy storage. Both great stoves though. As far as being a copy ? I couldn't care less. Every day when I get in my car I don't think to myself " This is just a copy of the first combustion engine with some improvements".
@@kikomsr Nope, only thing better on the Soto is the igniter. Have both.
I bought the Soto Amicus which is the little brother of the Windmaster. REI has it for $45 with two pots. The legs are delicate so not sure how much punishment it would take, i.e., like falling from a rock onto the ground. I does boil 500 ml of water in 2 1/2 minutes. Definitely any of these three stoves are a worthwhile buy: MSR PR, Soto Windmaster, Soto Amicus or the JetBoil. Buy what appeals to you personally as well as your budget.
Where do you find time to do these videos when you are always out hiking? LOL
The boiling point of water drops 1ºF for every 500' altitude, so if you are somewhere near 1000' altitude, 210ºF for boiling water would be spot on. Of course, if you're where I think you are, that's not it... but if the air pressure was down around 1,000 mbar when you did the test, it would still mean the thermometer was spot on.
You can carry 4 BRS stoves if you need to and still weigh very little. For wind 10:40 just use a vestibules or rocks or trees for a wind break. Lol
Great review!😎🤙
Is the difference in the boiling time worth the $$ difference, though? If you're in that much of a hurry, you're probably not backpacking...
Truth!
Thorough vid👍🏻 but, when are you guys gonna learn to count properly? Water boils at 100° and freezes at 0° See how simple that is? Instead of 57 deg north lindy kipper fillet🤣
I bought some cheap stove and folding was unpleasant and slow to do. Then it get wobbly because it's burner thread turn loose, but folting was easy. It can turn loose and turn the legs and close again.
Thanks Excellent video!!
Glad you liked it!
how many of these how quick will it boil water videos are there, i want to know how well it cooks dense foods ffs.
Are you someplace where the altitude is 1,000-1,200 feet? The boiling point of water drops just under one degree Fahrenheit for every 500 feet of altitude. That would explain your water boiling at 210 degrees.
EDIT: Oh, Louisiana. I guess not, unless you live atop Driskall Mountain.
Have you ever used one of the trangia gas burners or the knock-offs?
It is a close copy of the Soto wind master, and reviews show it to be louder.
I've been looking at the Soto Windmaster too, and I am really impressed with the reviews on it.
It will probably be my choice, along with the cooking set to go with it. 😊
Did you mention that MSR ripped off their deluxe design from the Soto Windmaster?
yeah, because there are so many different ways you can design a windblock into a round stove lol. SOTO wasn't the first to do it either. there have been cheap brands doing it forever. It's not some fancy state of the art design that someone can "steal" That's just how you do it. Much like cars have 4 wheels, automakers dont steal that design from eachother, thats just how they work.
The pot stands on the other hand, if they had copies SOTO on that, absolutely you could say they stole the design as something like that can be done many different ways.
@@RathJ13 it's not the wind block they stole its the internal piston that regulates gas flow they stole that soto designed.
It is really great video!
Looks like the MSR pocket rocket wind breaker design is a direct copycat of the STO stove. But as the say, design copycat is the best compliment. Way to go MSR.
very good info, thumbs up. pocket rocket deluxe though, is a knock off of Sotostove.
What is the boils per 100g fuel?
As you said, "You get what you pay for". Pocket Rocket Delux. So it's a bit heavier. Reliability and dependability more important than weight.
I agree 100% regarding "reliability & dependability" which is WHY I'll stay with my liquid fuel burning MSR Whisperlite.
AZ Claimjumper more Whisperlites fail and or require parts and servicing than Pocket Rockets.
How did you measure the fuel consumption?
Weigh the canister before and after....
I really like my brs stove.
Excellent review miss for me!
What no Svea?
Why didn’t you talk about the amount of gas used?
Not sure what I'm doing here I only use alcohol burners go tired of carrying fuel tanks
MEeee too. I'm still using my liquid fuel burning MSR Whisperlite.
Which stove is the best in regard to cooking not boiling water!!
Garry Raleigh N.C.
great stuff man, thx!
It's not the MSR Pocket rocket, it's the Kovea Pocket rocket.
The BRS stove is not flimsy. It’s made from titanium. You don’t know what your talking about.