I’m on low budget so pocketrocket 2 and a lighter will do for me, I was considering the deluxe thinking of saving fuel and that it was more efficient, but that’s not the case, basically the advantage of the deluxe is a couple of seconds faster, no lighter and it’s quiet. Thanks for the review, many of us decide base on your review.
Much more detailed than other reviews I've watched. Also greatly appreciate focusing the camera on the stove itself, makes it easier to see what you are talking about ;)
Camped all weekend with my new pocket rocket deluxe and LOVED it, so fantastic to not have to go rooting around for a lighter, and it boiled my little coffee perc in 2:15 (roughly two cups on a windy day to boot), I cooked everything on it from oatmeal to canned beans and I gotta say the regulator is fantastic. Thrilled with my purchase
The deluxe may be more fuel efficient if you don't use it a full power. Just a little bit less than full power, so that the burner flame doesn't leak around the sides of the pot.
Having done a lot more testing with them, and comparing them to other great stoves, the PRD is close to the Soto Winemaster, but the winemaster has come out on top on every test.
Hey brother, excellent comparison. I really liked that you showed different pot base sizes as that clearly affects the boil time. It may not be super scientific but using the stoves in real conditions never is - Mother Nature is unpredictable. Thanks for taking the time and resources to do this! Helped me decide on the PRD for my mountain adventures.
I'm definitely a pocket rocket guy I've been using mine for probably almost 10 years now... never really got into any other stoves but, I ever do your the man to lemme scope out all stoves.. you do a lot of good videos dude..
Great video and thorough comparison. One test that nobody ever does is a rain test, some stoves in my experience are very poor even if you only get a little rain on them other ones are ok. Generally meths stoves fare better in wet weather in my humble opinion but some gas stoves are almost impossible to light after fairly light rain has penetrated the burner, I had that problem in the summer with an Optimus Vega which otherwise is a really good stove.
Thanks for the video. I will be picking up the Pocket Rocket 2 in a couple days. This gives me an idea of how much fuel to bring on my hike next month.
Actually, I would suggest looking at the Soto Windmaster or the Soto Amicus. Long term they've been much better stoves. Best stoves out there. I did a comparison of the Deluxe and the Windmaster, Windmaster is better.
I want to add that simply because the deluxe burns more fuel it doesn’t mean it’s less efficient. With the shorter boil time a user might get more overall uses out of the deluxe. Most cases I stop my stove at a boil or before (coffee).
One question I have is about the simmer option. I've found some budget stoves with a very small burner head, tend to put a very hot spot in the bottom of the pot, causing burning when the stove is used for actual cooking (simmering rice for 15 minutes for example) rather than simply boiling water. I'd like to hear your views on use these for actual cooking. Thank you
The PRD and the Soto Windmaster have a special valve that allows simmering, and their heads are both slightly larger than most of those budget options. It does depend on the pot/pan you're using and what it's made of as well.
The deluxe is going to be the one you want for simmering for sure. The burn pattern being bigger will spread the flame more preventing scorching, and also the regulator will allow better flame control.
Good comparison. BTW, I believe I saw a TH-camr compare the MSW Windburner to the less expensive MSR Amicus stove, and performance wise they were comparable even though the former ran quieter and has a larger burner.
If you're just going to be boiling water, then the PR 2 is probably the better choice... The beauty of the deluxe is in the Regulator......More flame control for various cooking options.
I don't have the deluxe but I'm sure, the brass threat is not there to replace it when damaged. I think the body of the old was made of brass while the deluxe is made of aluminium to reduce weight and only the threat is made of brass to make it a bit more solid.
Thanks for the GREAT review. I found it interesting that the larger (larger circumference, shorter?) pot allowed for faster boiling times. The other thing is that on the second test I'd reverse the stove order. As you indicated at the end, the amount of fuel left "may" make a difference. With the PRD always being used after the PR2, the PRD will always have less fuel (less pressure?) during its test than the PR2 had. And, even though the lid was blown off, boiling in half the time with less fuel is pretty significant. As far as "which one". In short order you'll only be able to get the PRD. In fact, up where I am, the local store is already out of PR2s and I can only pre order PRDs (I'm in Canada)! Oh, and my wife commented on the in congruity of boiling cups/ounces of water in a pot which is measured in milliliteres! 😜.
I think a lot of people would love to see a real, in-depth comparison of the MSR Deluxe versus the Soto Windmaster. No one on TH-cam has done that yet for some reason.
Veteran_Iraq It just so happens a lot of people did want to see that! I released exactly that comparison about 4 hours ago! Go to the channel and check it out!
I have found that titanium pots really fail in the wind and real outside conditions. I highly recommend trying the Olicamp XTS. While it's a little heavier being aluminum, it makes up for itself in fuel savings. The lid is a little heavy being silicone, so you could reduce weight by replacing it with something lighter.
I have been guilty at picnic tables but try not to boil water near you as you sitting at a table. Also my biggest influence is wind. I believe the deluxe has better wind protection
I really appreciate the reasonable intro you used. Most others BLAST the music and then you cannot hear what they are saying. I would like to see you do the same tests again but this time use refilled fuel containers with propane only in them. Note: seems none of those stoves look like they will support a Stanley Adventure container :-(
just so you know the canister will decrease in temperature when in use, which will significantly decrease the pressure of the can which will make an impact on the fuel consumption i think that would have made the delux tie the pocket rocket 2 in fuel consumption, not going to make a huge difference in real life but for your testing it could make the difference.
I've been debating between the Soto Amicus, the Soto Windmaster, and the MSR PRD and haven't pulled the trigger yet. My lil' BRS failed miserably in similar wind conditions even with windbreaks and blocking it so I need *something* for windy conditions even with an aluminum foil windbreak. And I saw you used a Coleman cannister. Do both of the MSR PR/PRD fit it well enough? The cost differences might not be much between that and an MRS/Jetboil cannister but availability would be important. (And my BRS didn't work with the Coleman cannister at all bc of the insertion needle was about 1mm too short. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions
Spyguyver, are the pot support arms the same diameter on the PR deluxe as on the PR2? I have the PR2 and with a narrow diameter pot like the Stanley Adventure cook kit or the Olicamp Aluminum Spacesaver mug the arms are to wide to safely hold the pot. One slight bump and you can knock the pot off. I'm an alcohol stove convert now but the Soto has caught my eye. And the PR deluxe don't seem bad. But in all honesty I don't see myself going back to a canister stove any time soon. Thanks for the test!
I just looked on their website, it's still showing as a current model. Although if you're looking, I would highly suggest going with a Soto Windmaster over the MSR.
I don't mind carrying a few extra ozs. For me a sit on top stove is an inherently bad design for backpacking due to poor wind resistance. I prefer my Kovea Spider remote canister stove because it is easier to use with a windscreen. Plus I can use it in campgrounds with the cheaper propane fuel with a Kovea propane adaptor.
I wish they would release a version of the deluxe without the igniter. I will have a lighter on me regardless. It would bring the price and weight down and be the perfect stove
Tough to do, but a meaningful comparison would be to match the boiling time of the Pocket Rocket 2 (PR2) by lowering the output of the PR Deluxe (PRD). My hunch is that the fuel consumption of the PRD would then be FAR better. The flame width on the PRD is far greater, and the benefit of that began to appear as you went to a wider pot. The bottom line is that these kind of “full open” boil tests are, I hope, not really meaningful. I use my stove (GSI Pinnacle 4 Season) at a very moderate intensity. As a result, for an entire day (breakfast being coffee x 2, and oatmeal, then some washing up water, then dinner including a REAL cooked meal plus cleaning up), I’m using far less than 30 grams of fuel. Low and slow, and being mindful of wind, really increases efficiency. Overall though, good test. I’ll stick to my wind-sheltered GSI...
Total noob here. Why did the larger pot take less fuel to boil water? Is it because the flame is concentrated on the larger bottom surface rather than being waisted up the sides like on the smaller pot?
How about a test that doesn't have the stove turned up so high you 'waste' heat with flames outside the pot - maybe the heat not going into the pot / water is where the gas inefficiency comes from? Just a thought....
The problem is to create a repeatable test that isn't biased based on how much you turn one up vs the other, the only real way to be sure you're hitting the same point repeatably is either full open or full closed. I do totally get what you're saying, and agree, in real world use you would never do that, but for the purposes of testing it's hard to do something else and have it be objective and not subjective.
Good review 👍 For me and if you’ve got the money it’s the Delux or Soto Windmaster or an off canister stove (I’ve got the windmaster and love it - note ; you can get the 4 plex pot support for the Windmaster which is great for frying pans ets) I see no point in prevaricating,just get one.
I would have preferred you to measure PRD in the wind from scratch, obviously now the comparison is not accurate since it had to start over after 3 minutes, whereas PR2 had the lid stay on the whole time. Now I cannot decide still :D :D Otherwise a great detailed review :) Thanks!
Here's the deal, if you're serious about a good stove, bypass both of these and get the best, the Soto Windmaster. The PRD is a knock off and not as good. I have a head to head of those two as well.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Thanks, I actually watched more vids and that is what I ordered, so Im glad you approve of my choice :D Have a great day! Greetings from the Czech Republic (now being called Czechia like some Russina colony)
Thanks! I was planning on getting the 2 to save a little money, plus I heard the igniter on the deluxe isn't super reliable. But I like the burner design on the deluxe so I'll probably fork over the extra $20 and get it. I"ll sleep on it and then I"ll probably hem and haw for a while and then I'll probably forget to order one in time for my backpacking trip...
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 After seeing another video of yours I was all set on the wimdmaster. But now you mention the amicus and I read about that and leaning towards that because its cheaper. REI has it for.$49 plus a pot set.
Want a laugh Mark? Turn on captions and watch the first 10 seconds. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. :) (This vid popped up on my feed with captions on and I was like what did he say??)
A few things occurred to me while watching this interesting video: The Deluxe has a pressure regulator that helps keep the boil speed consistent as the fuel weight drops in the canister. It would be interesting to see the boil times with canisters perhaps 3/4 or 7/8 empty. A measurement refinement: In determining the fuel consumption for the burn, the fuel weight should probably be done with the stove attached to the canister as there is some fuel loss in installing and removing the stove from the canaster. For example, weigh the assembled stove before boiling and again after boiling. Then change the stove and reweigh the assembled stove before and after boiling. That would be a more accurate measurement of burn consumption.. The overall consumption is also impacted by how efficiently one is in changing canisters... A ham fisted user may lose more fuel.. . 😉 Me... I've got 3 old Coleman backpacking stoves, one being about 36 years old. I also have an MSR Whisperlite International... and a PocketRocket Deluxe. I got the Deluxe as I decided I didn't want to deal with liquid fuel any more even if the cost of fuel is higher. Also, in the scheme of things the cost of the stove and fuel is a nearly imperceptible compared to the overall costs of a multi-month trip. For example, due to circumstances I've had to pony up as much as a couple hundred bucks for a hotel room for one night (Yellowstone -- Old Faithful) so the overall cost of the stove and fuel is a moot point! Finding fuel has seldom been an issue for me though I did come close to running out while bicycling in the Rockies... That was one reason I got the Whisperlite International which can use white gas, kerosene, or unleaded gasoline. For bicycle trips the length of the east coast finding fuel was never an issue, nor will it be on my upcoming trip, so the PocketRocket Deluxe is queued up for that trip.
Love the video. Just curious if you’ve ever hiked the Laurel Highlands Hiking trail in western Pennsylvania? The veterans leadership Program in Pittsburgh is hosting its 6th annual crucible hike. 3 days (sept. 18,19,20th) 70 miles. They provide food and have checkpoints. Money is raised for the program and it’s a beautiful trail, any thoughts on doing it let me know, I’m trying to pull the TH-cam community together to hike it if possible. If you wanna watch the hike frozen has done it about a million times. I’m hitting up all the big youtubers to see if they would be interested. Keep the amazing content coming and any questions hit me up. Thanks
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 you should. I wouldn't judge you. The facts speak for themselves, and people can make their own choices. You are helping bring business to MSR. You should get a piece of the pie
I recommend using the toaks 650 pot instead of the 550 especially in the backcountry where you can’t get medical help. I say this because the 500 with 2 cups of water is just too small and boils over and you can burn the shit out of yourself on trail. Be careful
Great review, have been waiting for this. The soto windmaster is really the gold standard as far as canister stoves. I think MSR has a real winner with their new deluxe model. Makes up for some of the standard pocket rockets shortcomings. Very interested in seeing how the deluxe does head to head with the windmaster. Thanks for posting the tests.
Thank you for doing the testing. I have round tests are the best when they are reasonable (within the world how a user would use what is being tested). What your test did show is how not to use a stove so from this perspective, it was useful for the inexperienced. Perhaps a fan oriented just so, would offer a repeatable test environment for the test you conducted.
I think you lack a simple understanding of the function of the regulator. It supports the performance of the stove in low pressure situations like cold temperatures and high altitude. You should have included at least the test for cold temperatures.
Thanks for the video! It reinforced why I don't use canister stoves. The noise takes away from the outdoor experience for me. I prefer 7 minutes of quiet over 3 minutes of listening to an airplane rocket. For people who like these stoves, it looks like the deluxe is a better all around stove in my opinion.
I agree Jeff, I mostly use alcohol stoves. I do hate when I camp in a group at meal time and all you hear is that jet engine sound. There are times with fire restrictions where I use a canister, and I do like the lower noise level of the windmaster and now looks like the MSR deluxe is in that same camp.
I know you turned them on full blast on purpose, but I wonder if the time and fuel usage would balance out if the PRD was turned down to 85-90%. I think it has a higher capacity to pump out more heat at the cost of using up more fuel. Also, it would help if you had the stats on the side of the screen as you are talking in addition to saving it all for a summary page. The numbers on the screen makes it easier to follow along as you say those numbers in passing.
I think that going down a little would save a bit on the fuel, but not sure it would change the boil time all that much. It's just impossible to ensure both stoves are set the same unless they are full open or full closed, in the middle is just guessing.
So MSR just copies a design that another company uses, wow, way to go guys. What is MSR paying their engineers to do? Steal designs and put their name on it? This is sad.
Thanks for this comparison - it was exactly what I needed to make my decision. Great job!
Thanks!
I’m on low budget so pocketrocket 2 and a lighter will do for me, I was considering the deluxe thinking of saving fuel and that it was more efficient, but that’s not the case, basically the advantage of the deluxe is a couple of seconds faster, no lighter and it’s quiet. Thanks for the review, many of us decide base on your review.
Thanks man! Hey, before you buy, shoot me an email at sworkspilot at gmail dot com
I'm literally sitting with both of these in my cart and this just helped me make my decision, thanks for the video!
Glad I could give you some help choosing, not a tough choice really!
@Jaziel Jaxxon nope nobody gives a shit.
Much more detailed than other reviews I've watched. Also greatly appreciate focusing the camera on the stove itself, makes it easier to see what you are talking about ;)
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback!
Camped all weekend with my new pocket rocket deluxe and LOVED it, so fantastic to not have to go rooting around for a lighter, and it boiled my little coffee perc in 2:15 (roughly two cups on a windy day to boot), I cooked everything on it from oatmeal to canned beans and I gotta say the regulator is fantastic. Thrilled with my purchase
Sweet, congrats on a great purchase!
Hey! Did you put the can directly onto the stove? Or use a pan?
Thanks, you just solved my two complaints about Pocket Rocket 2. The loudness of it and the wind stealing the heat. Just ordered one!!!
Sweet, glad I could help!
Man I'm glad you do all these test. Saves a lot of time and money. Thank you Sir. Subbed
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying the tests! New one will be up today!
The outside test was especially useful, so thanks for that.
You're welcome! Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 TIme has passed whats best now? Anything new? Any issues or problems?
@@BOOSTEDLASER Best is the Soto Windmaster. I had my Pocket Rocket Deluxe replaced due to a couple of malfunctions with it. Defective internals.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Wow.most say the MSR is the best and others a copy. Good to know. Try Firemaple Polaris?
The deluxe may be more fuel efficient if you don't use it a full power. Just a little bit less than full power, so that the burner flame doesn't leak around the sides of the pot.
Having done a lot more testing with them, and comparing them to other great stoves, the PRD is close to the Soto Winemaster, but the winemaster has come out on top on every test.
I dont know why but I cant get enough of the sound of the pocket rocket 2, every time I fire it up I get interested glances from other campers :)
Sweet, love the sound of rocket power!
Hey brother, excellent comparison. I really liked that you showed different pot base sizes as that clearly affects the boil time. It may not be super scientific but using the stoves in real conditions never is - Mother Nature is unpredictable. Thanks for taking the time and resources to do this! Helped me decide on the PRD for my mountain adventures.
Great review, just ordered the Deluxe, Thanks
Awesome, thanks!
I'm definitely a pocket rocket guy I've been using mine for probably almost 10 years now... never really got into any other stoves but, I ever do your the man to lemme scope out all stoves.. you do a lot of good videos dude..
Thanks Brett! I appreciate it!
Great video and thorough comparison. One test that nobody ever does is a rain test, some stoves in my experience are very poor even if you only get a little rain on them other ones are ok. Generally meths stoves fare better in wet weather in my humble opinion but some gas stoves are almost impossible to light after fairly light rain has penetrated the burner, I had that problem in the summer with an Optimus Vega which otherwise is a really good stove.
Hmm, I'll have to look into the rain test, you're the first to bring that up! Thanks!
Thanks for the video. I will be picking up the Pocket Rocket 2 in a couple days. This gives me an idea of how much fuel to bring on my hike next month.
Sweet! Happy to help!
Exactly what I needed thanks
Deluxe it is 👍🏻
Actually, I would suggest looking at the Soto Windmaster or the Soto Amicus. Long term they've been much better stoves. Best stoves out there. I did a comparison of the Deluxe and the Windmaster, Windmaster is better.
I want to add that simply because the deluxe burns more fuel it doesn’t mean it’s less efficient. With the shorter boil time a user might get more overall uses out of the deluxe.
Most cases I stop my stove at a boil or before (coffee).
Nice reviews! I just bought the Windmaster last week. Maybe I should have waited!!
I dont' really think you can go wrong with the Windmaster, but the comparison is coming soon.
Price is also a factor too. Deluxe is about $25CAD more that PR2. Great review!
That's a fact. Thanks!
Now its 35!!
Very cool presentation how about putting those two against the jetboil do you think the jetboil has better wind resistance and fuel efficiency
The Jetboil certainly has better wind resistance and fuel efficiency, but at a big weight penalty. All depends on what your priority is.
One question I have is about the simmer option. I've found some budget stoves with a very small burner head, tend to put a very hot spot in the bottom of the pot, causing burning when the stove is used for actual cooking (simmering rice for 15 minutes for example) rather than simply boiling water. I'd like to hear your views on use these for actual cooking. Thank you
The PRD and the Soto Windmaster have a special valve that allows simmering, and their heads are both slightly larger than most of those budget options. It does depend on the pot/pan you're using and what it's made of as well.
Thanks for the info. Would have loved a simmering test between the two tho as that is mostly what Im wondering between the two.
The deluxe is going to be the one you want for simmering for sure. The burn pattern being bigger will spread the flame more preventing scorching, and also the regulator will allow better flame control.
Good comparison. BTW, I believe I saw a TH-camr compare the MSW Windburner to the less expensive MSR Amicus stove, and performance wise they were comparable even though the former ran quieter and has a larger burner.
Thanks! I am a big fan of the Windmaster
If you're just going to be boiling water, then the PR 2 is probably the better choice...
The beauty of the deluxe is in the Regulator......More flame control for various cooking options.
I've got both and you may be right. That regulator is great if you're doing more of the cooking options than just boiling. Thanks!
Johnny Apple Seed totally agree I used my deluxe to fry an egg on a mini fry pan without scorching it 😂
I don't have the deluxe but I'm sure, the brass threat is not there to replace it when damaged. I think the body of the old was made of brass while the deluxe is made of aluminium to reduce weight and only the threat is made of brass to make it a bit more solid.
Thanks
Oh and I’m going w the deluxe...great review!
Thanks!
Would you say the one without igniter and regulator safer and durable?
Hard to say really, but probably!
Thanks for the GREAT review. I found it interesting that the larger (larger circumference, shorter?) pot allowed for faster boiling times.
The other thing is that on the second test I'd reverse the stove order. As you indicated at the end, the amount of fuel left "may" make a difference. With the PRD always being used after the PR2, the PRD will always have less fuel (less pressure?) during its test than the PR2 had. And, even though the lid was blown off, boiling in half the time with less fuel is pretty significant.
As far as "which one". In short order you'll only be able to get the PRD. In fact, up where I am, the local store is already out of PR2s and I can only pre order PRDs (I'm in Canada)! Oh, and my wife commented on the in congruity of boiling cups/ounces of water in a pot which is measured in milliliteres! 😜.
Thanks for the comments! It's true, using a pot w/ml while talking about oz, just making sure I hit all the viewers out there! haha
Your thoughts on the jetboil mighty mo
Jetboils are very efficient, but they are also relatively heavy. I prefer to go a little more simple and light.
I think a lot of people would love to see a real, in-depth comparison of the MSR Deluxe versus the Soto Windmaster. No one on TH-cam has done that yet for some reason.
Veteran_Iraq It just so happens a lot of people did want to see that! I released exactly that comparison about 4 hours ago! Go to the channel and check it out!
th-cam.com/video/l3Ydfltc5FE/w-d-xo.html
I have found that titanium pots really fail in the wind and real outside conditions. I highly recommend trying the Olicamp XTS. While it's a little heavier being aluminum, it makes up for itself in fuel savings. The lid is a little heavy being silicone, so you could reduce weight by replacing it with something lighter.
Thanks!
I have been guilty at picnic tables but try not to boil water near you as you sitting at a table.
Also my biggest influence is wind. I believe the deluxe has better wind protection
I really appreciate the reasonable intro you used. Most others BLAST the music and then you cannot hear what they are saying.
I would like to see you do the same tests again but this time use refilled fuel containers with propane only in them.
Note: seems none of those stoves look like they will support a Stanley Adventure container :-(
Thanks, I will see about getting some rilled with propane.
just so you know the canister will decrease in temperature when in use, which will significantly decrease the pressure of the can which will make an impact on the fuel consumption i think that would have made the delux tie the pocket rocket 2 in fuel consumption, not going to make a huge difference in real life but for your testing it could make the difference.
I've been debating between the Soto Amicus, the Soto Windmaster, and the MSR PRD and haven't pulled the trigger yet. My lil' BRS failed miserably in similar wind conditions even with windbreaks and blocking it so I need *something* for windy conditions even with an aluminum foil windbreak.
And I saw you used a Coleman cannister. Do both of the MSR PR/PRD fit it well enough? The cost differences might not be much between that and an MRS/Jetboil cannister but availability would be important. (And my BRS didn't work with the Coleman cannister at all bc of the insertion needle was about 1mm too short.
Decisions, Decisions, Decisions
Yes, I haven't found a threaded canister that they don't work on. I've used the Coleman, MSR, Jetboil and Optimus all with great success.
Spyguyver, are the pot support arms the same diameter on the PR deluxe as on the PR2? I have the PR2 and with a narrow diameter pot like the Stanley Adventure cook kit or the Olicamp Aluminum Spacesaver mug the arms are to wide to safely hold the pot. One slight bump and you can knock the pot off. I'm an alcohol stove convert now but the Soto has caught my eye. And the PR deluxe don't seem bad. But in all honesty I don't see myself going back to a canister stove any time soon. Thanks for the test!
They look to be exactly the same.
I'm telling you everybody this guy still lives with his parents. Another outstanding video.😂😎
haha, yeah! You caught me!
What about the flint wearing out on the deluxe? Can you change the flint, if not and it wears out then I would just do the PR2
Another great vid. Thanks for the very useful information.
Happy to help! Thanks!
it will be very interesting to see test of Pocket Rocket Deluxe vs Soto Windmaster/Amicus
Vitaliy Andreev That comparison is in the works right now!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 please measure the diameters of eqch burner when you do that video
Do you know why MSR has discontinued the Deluxe?
I just looked on their website, it's still showing as a current model. Although if you're looking, I would highly suggest going with a Soto Windmaster over the MSR.
I don't mind carrying a few extra ozs. For me a sit on top stove is an inherently bad design for backpacking due to poor wind resistance. I prefer my Kovea Spider remote canister stove because it is easier to use with a windscreen. Plus I can use it in campgrounds with the cheaper propane fuel with a Kovea propane adaptor.
Yeah, no worries, you gotta do what is right for you. Windscreens sure do increase the efficiency of the stove!
Thank you for all the reviews, I do have one question. Can you please tell us what they weigh?
5:50 in the video.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 I must have gotten distracted, thank you.
No worries!
I'm giving you a like just for the expression of taking the hot lid off.. lol
Sweet, thanks!
so if I`m saving 30 seconds each time I boil a pint, I`ll need to boil a 5 gallon bucket to make up for watching this video
Guess so! Thanks!
That piezo on the deluxe sure would be nice, still stuck with my original PR. Don’t use it enough to wear it out.
The original is still a great stove!
So what I took from that was the deluxe with a wider put.
That makes sense to me, if you're in the market for a new stove! Thanks!
hello, Can I boil on deluxe version 2l of water(all together with a pot 2.2kg) will it be sturdy enough and stable enough?
I wish they would release a version of the deluxe without the igniter. I will have a lighter on me regardless. It would bring the price and weight down and be the perfect stove
I would just go with a Soto stove!
Nice test, thank you. Helped me to choose the deluxe.
Glad I could be of help! Thanks!
Tough to do, but a meaningful comparison would be to match the boiling time of the Pocket Rocket 2 (PR2) by lowering the output of the PR Deluxe (PRD). My hunch is that the fuel consumption of the PRD would then be FAR better. The flame width on the PRD is far greater, and the benefit of that began to appear as you went to a wider pot.
The bottom line is that these kind of “full open” boil tests are, I hope, not really meaningful. I use my stove (GSI Pinnacle 4 Season) at a very moderate intensity. As a result, for an entire day (breakfast being coffee x 2, and oatmeal, then some washing up water, then dinner including a REAL cooked meal plus cleaning up), I’m using far less than 30 grams of fuel. Low and slow, and being mindful of wind, really increases efficiency.
Overall though, good test. I’ll stick to my wind-sheltered GSI...
I do agree with you. I have a video coming up that is closer to what I think is meaningful!
Total noob here. Why did the larger pot take less fuel to boil water? Is it because the flame is concentrated on the larger bottom surface rather than being waisted up the sides like on the smaller pot?
Yeah, the flame spreading across more surface area, and the water inside hitting more pot surface area is the key. Thanks!
If you have 25 MPH winds blowing, I think cooking food to eat is the last of your concerns. :D
I’d love to see how it measures up against the Optimus Crux. Stats suggest it still outperforms the Deluxe at the same weight.
I don't have that one. Soon I'll be putting it up against a couple of the Soto stoves though.
How about a test that doesn't have the stove turned up so high you 'waste' heat with flames outside the pot - maybe the heat not going into the pot / water is where the gas inefficiency comes from? Just a thought....
The problem is to create a repeatable test that isn't biased based on how much you turn one up vs the other, the only real way to be sure you're hitting the same point repeatably is either full open or full closed. I do totally get what you're saying, and agree, in real world use you would never do that, but for the purposes of testing it's hard to do something else and have it be objective and not subjective.
Good review 👍
For me and if you’ve got the money it’s the Delux or Soto Windmaster or an off canister stove (I’ve got the windmaster and love it - note ; you can get the 4 plex pot support for the Windmaster which is great for frying pans ets)
I see no point in prevaricating,just get one.
Is the Deluxe a little wider?
Not sure, I'll have to check. Thanks.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 thanks you just got another subscriber!
Did you ever get the chance to check?
Shane B. They’re pretty much exactly the same.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 ok thank you so much I was hoping the pot holders were a little wider so I could get a 1100 ML on it
I would have preferred you to measure PRD in the wind from scratch, obviously now the comparison is not accurate since it had to start over after 3 minutes, whereas PR2 had the lid stay on the whole time. Now I cannot decide still :D :D
Otherwise a great detailed review :) Thanks!
Here's the deal, if you're serious about a good stove, bypass both of these and get the best, the Soto Windmaster. The PRD is a knock off and not as good. I have a head to head of those two as well.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Thanks, I actually watched more vids and that is what I ordered, so Im glad you approve of my choice :D Have a great day! Greetings from the Czech Republic (now being called Czechia like some Russina colony)
Thank you so much very informative
Awesome, glad you enjoy it!
Gracias, buen video. PR2 is my favourite.
Nice choice! Thanks!
Fuel efficiency on the pr2 will plummet with wind. Not so much with the delux...
Very true!
Thanks! I was planning on getting the 2 to save a little money, plus I heard the igniter on the deluxe isn't super reliable. But I like the burner design on the deluxe so I'll probably fork over the extra $20 and get it. I"ll sleep on it and then I"ll probably hem and haw for a while and then I'll probably forget to order one in time for my backpacking trip...
The deluxe is quite a bit better than the 2, but the Soto Winemaster or Amicus are also great options, of great quality!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 After seeing another video of yours I was all set on the wimdmaster. But now you mention the amicus and I read about that and leaning towards that because its cheaper. REI has it for.$49 plus a pot set.
StevesVids amicus actually has a couple advantages over the wind master, including the attached pot support that folds up nicely!
Very nice i was actually thinking about getting that stove the new one but now I think I will wait for it to go on sale
Yeah man, it's still new now so the price is high, it will end up dropping at some point, all of theirs have. Thanks!
Want a laugh Mark? Turn on captions and watch the first 10 seconds. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. :)
(This vid popped up on my feed with captions on and I was like what did he say??)
SoutheastBackpacker Wow! Yeah that’s, well, interesting!!!
Now this is what a “review” should be! My man!
Thank you!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Time has passes still like the Deluxe? ANY problems or issues?
Keep hearing about "firemaple" jetboil clone..also
Really good tests, thank you! Very informative! Liked and Subscribed!
Thank you!
I'm still an alcohol guy but damn under 2 min that's a camping microwave
I know, that is pretty damn impressive!
A few things occurred to me while watching this interesting video:
The Deluxe has a pressure regulator that helps keep the boil speed consistent as the fuel weight drops in the canister. It would be interesting to see the boil times with canisters perhaps 3/4 or 7/8 empty.
A measurement refinement: In determining the fuel consumption for the burn, the fuel weight should probably be done with the stove attached to the canister as there is some fuel loss in installing and removing the stove from the canaster. For example, weigh the assembled stove before boiling and again after boiling. Then change the stove and reweigh the assembled stove before and after boiling. That would be a more accurate measurement of burn consumption.. The overall consumption is also impacted by how efficiently one is in changing canisters... A ham fisted user may lose more fuel.. . 😉
Me... I've got 3 old Coleman backpacking stoves, one being about 36 years old. I also have an MSR Whisperlite International... and a PocketRocket Deluxe. I got the Deluxe as I decided I didn't want to deal with liquid fuel any more even if the cost of fuel is higher. Also, in the scheme of things the cost of the stove and fuel is a nearly imperceptible compared to the overall costs of a multi-month trip. For example, due to circumstances I've had to pony up as much as a couple hundred bucks for a hotel room for one night (Yellowstone -- Old Faithful) so the overall cost of the stove and fuel is a moot point!
Finding fuel has seldom been an issue for me though I did come close to running out while bicycling in the Rockies... That was one reason I got the Whisperlite International which can use white gas, kerosene, or unleaded gasoline. For bicycle trips the length of the east coast finding fuel was never an issue, nor will it be on my upcoming trip, so the PocketRocket Deluxe is queued up for that trip.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Love the video. Just curious if you’ve ever hiked the Laurel Highlands Hiking trail in western Pennsylvania? The veterans leadership Program in Pittsburgh is hosting its 6th annual crucible hike. 3 days (sept. 18,19,20th) 70 miles. They provide food and have checkpoints. Money is raised for the program and it’s a beautiful trail, any thoughts on doing it let me know, I’m trying to pull the TH-cam community together to hike it if possible. If you wanna watch the hike frozen has done it about a million times. I’m hitting up all the big youtubers to see if they would be interested. Keep the amazing content coming and any questions hit me up. Thanks
mike Stanford I have, th-cam.com/video/s5stwKh86KY/w-d-xo.html
Unfortunately that overlaps with a planned trip to thru hike the Tahoe Rim Trail.
You lucky guy. Sounds like an amazing trip!!!! I’ll be watching for it
Thanks! Trying to decide between these two stoves. This certainly helped.
Glad I was able to help! Thanks!
Can you toast marshmellows successfully while camping?
Of course you can! I can!
nice review!
That was a very good and thorough review. Subbed to your channel.
Im pissed i just bought a pocket rocket 2 thinking it was newer then the deluxe
Sorry man
I'm surprised you didn't put Amazon affiliate links for these two.
I don't do the Amazon affiliate thing. Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 you should. I wouldn't judge you. The facts speak for themselves, and people can make their own choices. You are helping bring business to MSR. You should get a piece of the pie
I recommend using the toaks 650 pot instead of the 550 especially in the backcountry where you can’t get medical help. I say this because the 500 with 2 cups of water is just too small and boils over and you can burn the shit out of yourself on trail. Be careful
My Soto will boil 2 cups while using 5 gm of fuel.
There will be a comparison very soon.
thanks
Great review, have been waiting for this. The soto windmaster is really the gold standard as far as canister stoves. I think MSR has a real winner with their new deluxe model. Makes up for some of the standard pocket rockets shortcomings. Very interested in seeing how the deluxe does head to head with the windmaster. Thanks for posting the tests.
We'll see how it stacks up against the Windmaster very soon! Thanks!
Thank you for doing the testing. I have round tests are the best when they are reasonable (within the world how a user would use what is being tested). What your test did show is how not to use a stove so from this perspective, it was useful for the inexperienced. Perhaps a fan oriented just so, would offer a repeatable test environment for the test you conducted.
MRo Hey man, I appreciate your feedback. Thanks!
RIP thermometer. Your contributions to science were not in vain
Good thing it wasn't the one I keep in the lab! Thanks!
It's funny, if you watch after I melt it, at one point I set it down and it falls apart!
very good info.
Thanks! Still waiting on word on my warranty claim on my PR Deluxe.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 what's wrong with the deluxe
psy Amok piezo not working well, and a strange noise when at higher settings.
I think you lack a simple understanding of the function of the regulator. It supports the performance of the stove in low pressure situations like cold temperatures and high altitude. You should have included at least the test for cold temperatures.
Thanks, I'll make sure that when it's colder I get that done. Also I can do some tests with some less filled canisters to show this as well.
So you’re saying that the test was invalidated by the lid blowing off…
So how about doing a valid test?
Just asking…
Thanks for the video! It reinforced why I don't use canister stoves. The noise takes away from the outdoor experience for me. I prefer 7 minutes of quiet over 3 minutes of listening to an airplane rocket. For people who like these stoves, it looks like the deluxe is a better all around stove in my opinion.
I'm with you Jeff, I really like my alcohol stoves! Thanks!
I agree Jeff, I mostly use alcohol stoves. I do hate when I camp in a group at meal time and all you hear is that jet engine sound. There are times with fire restrictions where I use a canister, and I do like the lower noise level of the windmaster and now looks like the MSR deluxe is in that same camp.
I know you turned them on full blast on purpose, but I wonder if the time and fuel usage would balance out if the PRD was turned down to 85-90%. I think it has a higher capacity to pump out more heat at the cost of using up more fuel.
Also, it would help if you had the stats on the side of the screen as you are talking in addition to saving it all for a summary page. The numbers on the screen makes it easier to follow along as you say those numbers in passing.
I think that going down a little would save a bit on the fuel, but not sure it would change the boil time all that much. It's just impossible to ensure both stoves are set the same unless they are full open or full closed, in the middle is just guessing.
Great review! :)
Hilarious brass insert that can be replaced I cry bullshit
Well, that's their claim anyway.
👍👍🇧🇷 Parabéns
Thanks!
Real hikers use a liquid fuel stove. Old school baby!
They work well! I actually prefer alcohol.
If tests fails due to flying lids, just redo them... You sure are no scientist.
Never claimed to be a scientist!
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Thanks!
So MSR just copies a design that another company uses, wow, way to go guys. What is MSR paying their engineers to do? Steal designs and put their name on it? This is sad.
Thanks for your comment, I think it's a sentiment shared by many.
20 minutes for a backpack stove? How stupid is this!
LOL, okay
MSR losers stole the idea from SOTO. (BTW I love both brands)
Yeah, looks a little similar!
Use of METRIC system is BULL SHIT ➖Hello where is 95% of your viewers located❓🙄
Sorry to trigger you! While sure, most of my viewers are in the US, most of us also measure our backpacking gear, especially UL gear, in grams.