Camp Stove Battle - Which stove is best? - MSR Pocket Rocket 2 v Jetboil Minimo v Soto Windmaster
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- Camp Stove Battle - Which stove is best? - MSR Pocket Rocket 2 v Jetboil Minimo v Soto Windmaster
The search continues for the perfect backpacking stove. In this video we take a look at the MSR pocket rocket 2, the Jetboil Minimo & the Soto Windmaster. These are very popular gas stoves which are great for camp stove cooking on the trial. I've done several camp stove reviews in my time and everyone always like to comment on which is better. So please comment below and let me know what you use to boil your water and make your camp stove meals. It would be great to here from you.
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You know one thing about this channel that nobody ever comments on? Camera angles. He's switching them up so we don't get bored. Keep in mind every camera angle involves him stopping, resetting the camera, focus and then picking up seamlessly where he left off. That takes concentration. So when we see him heading far off into the sunset what we don't see is him stopping, backtracking what he just traversed and retrieve the camera. I like the one where we saw him climbing a fence. Because then he had to climb it again to retrieve the camera then climb it a third time to head forward. I am too lazy to do that. No wonder he wants that beer. LOL
Thank you Nelson. I'm glad you appreciate the time that goes into making these films. I am a firm believer of you get out what you put in. Thanks for watching
I notice a lot of stuff like this and I really appreciate it too. full-on brit lad. keep camping man.
NelsonClick ......I always thought this channel is better than any program on tv , interesting, professional and inspiring, I never even thought about the camera angles until you said it .
Yes he s very good and that's why his following increasing. that and the fact that he is clearly passionate about the thing he is doing. he infuses a love of outdoors and camping and he's genuinely interested in what he is exploring...love it.
These are the things people usually tend not to notice, but it makes the video so much more enjoyable to watch.
Buy cheap, buy twice. Get the Jetboil, I did and it’s brilliant.
I like it a lot. Easily my favourite gas stove. Thanks for watching
Fair enough if you are comparing apples, but this is apples and pears since the Jetboil is a “system”, whereas the aether two are just burners. You’re paying £90 for a a few bits compared with the MSR. In that light, the Jetboil is a bit pricey.
These seem to all be good. The Minimo is a system and not the smallest jetboil. The best thing about this video is that you show the actual kit you would use with the non-system stoves (wind screen, pots, utensils). Wind performance and complete cooking package ... the big picture.
My wife just asked what I was doing. Watching a TH-cam video about water boiling.
Can we go outside yet?
Yes, you can go camping in your garden! 👍🏾🤗🏕️
@@GypsyGirl317 is this some type of joke condo dwellers don't understand
@@pluggothesluggo5509 not a joke. ❤️
Some of us have a section of land around our homes. 🏘
Great question because I live in New Zealand, and I often forget that many people around the world dwell in apartments or condominiums etc 🤦🏻♀️
I have a very small section by NZ standards, but I can still pitch a small tent in the garden as well. 😊
have soto, perfect canister stove, very versatile and actually works in wind quite well
I have the MSR Pocket Rocket 2, Snow Peak Giga, MSR Reactor, and MSR Dragonfly. I use all of them depending on where I’m going and what the environment is. I seem to use the Snow Peak and Pocket Rocket the most, at least until I’m in the snow, and then it’s Reactor. For testing my culinary skills in the backcountry, the Dragonfly is great being able to adjust down to a low simmer.
Am I 1st. Wow! Those who reading my comments, I wish you and your family members to have a wonderful days ahead. Much love from Himalayas, Everest region. Do stay connected. ❤🤙🤙
You win a thumbs up Simon. Thanks for watching mate. Which stove do you use?
@@PaulMessner I haven't used any but I am planning to get one for my Himalayan hikes here in Everest region. Regards 🙏
Well played.
@@haroldellis9721 Thanks Ellis. Do stay connected. Much Love 🙏❤
I've been hiking/camping/canoeing/ad nauseam since the late 1960's. I've had or have now virtually every type of popular stove made and I have about 30 as I write this (some are duplicates). Modern canister stoves have come a long way since my first one by Bleuet (now Camping Gaz).
Without a doubt the finest canister stove I have ever seen is the Snow Peak Titanium Gigapowerr Auto. A super light, super expensive mini-blowtorch is all you will ever need for a stove. With it's built in piezo igniter starting it is easy. Once you become familiar with it, you can even simmer with it especially if you add the optional windscreen.
But the most miraculous feature of the Gigapower Titanium is that Snow Peak manufactured and sold repair kits for this stove. Regardless of where you are, you can keep your stove hissing with a few grams of spare parts.
But Snow Peak has chosen to screw up royally by adhering to Herblock's Law (sp?) The very first hiking book I can ever remember reading was "The Complete Walker" by Colin Fletcher. That was my first exposure to the Law. Simply put Herblock's Law states that "If it's good, they'll quit making it!" (I wish I had one ounce of gold for every example I have ever seen of this!) I have been told that the Titanium Gigapower is still manufactured but is not imported into the US. Alternately I have been told the stove is out of production. iIn any case I can't get another one. And to add insult to injury, the buffoons at Snow Peak have quit selling the repair kits. In fact, Snow Peak has apparently stopped selling a lot of things and appear to be focusing on car camping and overlanding. So much for the best.
"measuring out 300ml, it's not an exact science" - it would be if you used the scales you just used to weigh the gas canister: 300ml of water = 300g
Well, only at 4° and the right air pressure though. But yeah, it's precise enough at least. ;-)
I've got the MSR Pocketrocket 2 mini stove kit, very pleased with it, ideal for bikepacking, kayak camping. Stay safe
It's a great stove. I really like mine. Thanks for watching
Thanks for the video. A comparing Table at the end with cooking time, gas consumption would be great. I made test like this in the last weeks and you need to be more careful when comparing:
- aluminium pot can not be compared with titanium pot (different material properties)
- opening valve position has big influence (the smaller the flame the better the efficiency) best would be to tune them all to the same consumption per minute
- 300ml is very little. The more you take the lower is influence from mistakes (i started with snow/ melting compares equal to 100°C increase)
I was reading flux ring increases efficiency by 15-20%.
I am happy with MSR rocket pocket since many years for 2 person use.
It's a fair point and I agree that it's not a perfect comparison. But it is a comparison of the stoves I use and how I would use them. I would get a different result if I took a different pot or used my windshield etc. But this is how I use them for the most part. That's great info. Thanks for sharing and for watching the video.
PocketRocket2 everytime for me, used one for years...cannot beat fuel economy vs weight/size, ; always amazes me how it can still get yet another boil out of a seemingly empty canister?? 👍👍
It's a great stove. I really like mine. Thanks for watching
Thank you for this comparison. I use a pocket rocket with a home made wind shield. I appreciate your experienced advice.
It's a great stove. I really like mine. Thanks for watching
I currently use a JetBoil classic model; it contains the insulated mug, mug cap, stove base protective measuring cup, gas cartridge, stove top/cooker, and cartridge stand; if you don't use the plastic cap that fits over the top of the gas cartridge when you stow it into the mug, you can also stow a pan stand for the cooker to let you use pans, etc. I've found it to be heavy, yes, but it all packs away into one reasonably tight fairly safe, package, which I find very handy, organisationally speaking. It also fits into one of the rocket pouches on my Berghaus Vulcan bergan, which held the organisation in the field as well :) Good channel, informative and engaging :) Keep up the fun work :)
Soto Windmaster and no regrets at all. It came with the 4-plex, but I also got the Titanium Tri-flex at the same time, which I much prefer for the field.
It's a great stove. I really like mine. I have the triflex too. I agree it's simpler to use. Thanks for watching
Minimo has a regulator, the big shiny silver bit you can see, helps a lot when on low flame.
I use the Optimus crux. Large head, wide pot stand and pivoted head that allows it to be stored in dimple at the bottom of gas canister. It lightweight but probably not Uber light but used on many trips. Good build quality
What matters is that your stoves work for you. Sounds like you have it sorted. Thanks for watching.
The BEST of anything be it a stove, tent, pack, car, bed, camera, etc. is the one that appeals to you. That's why there are multiple manufacturers. Some people like gas stoves, others like liquid stoves. Some people like Kelty, others North Face. Some people like Fords others Chevys.
Used the Jetboil at Folad FOB, Nad Ali in Afghanistan, most of the guys did. Dust, rain, heat, cold, shot at almost daily, ambushed weekly, jumping in and out of ditches, jumping over walls, wading through paddies (Swampy fields really, we called them paddies), sack chucked and kicked about for 6 months. Completely abused and never cleaned. Still have it, still works great.
I'm not here to critique your video. I think I would probably chose the small one but not the MSR. The ignition system and the size of the burner I would prefer. I have a camp chef. They sell a diffuser plate for pan frying that works really well. But I'm just suggesting my preference. Good video.
I want to go camping in the forest but I didn't know the basics of camping so I have been watching your videos for a few days and they have been very helpful you are so cool
Glad you like the videos. Thanks for watching
Still using my bleuet from the 60s. It even comes with windshield. Best ever at the time for gas and compact.
Jetboil for me - all in one unit - wished they'd been around when I was in the paras ! , have to admit I carry a double wall Ti mug as I brew leaf tea using a mesh thingy , and I prefer to use a second pot for cooking , but for setting up and having a quick brew -jetboil . 2 tips , wrap the gas canister in a cut down sock or similar - the base on some of them can flash rust and score the pot unit , in really cold weather , put the canister in your jacket -or in your doss bag at night , burns faster than if left out in the cold . Good review there .
When I did my mandatory military service in Sweden - we were given TRANGIA kits! Worked quite well as well! NOT as Quick or compact though! And having to pour in fuel was a bit of a faff too!
BUT I agree - a Jetboil would have been a better option!
I use the MSR pocket rocket 2, MSR Wind pro 2 and the Alpkit Brewkit. I'm very pleased with them and would recommend any of the three. Thanks Steve 👍
What matters is that your stoves work for you. Sounds like you have it sorted. Thanks for watching.
@@PaulMessner Thank you Paul. I also have a BRS titanium stove that i use as a spare, but I'm going to try it as a main stove for when I do my next long hike trail. Thanks Steve 🏕👍I'm bored sick. Watching a lot of TH-cam lol. 👍
Great comprehensive comparison Paul. I may dust of my MSR PR2 after watching this. This stove is very noisy but small and powerful - which I like. Thanks for taking the time to focus in on the fine details of the stoves. ATB - Ben
Very good review taking great care to be accurate and factual. Watching from Australia the trips Paul undertakes are very interesting. Something Paul has taught myself and a couple of mates who also follow him is to take some time in the middle of the day to go somewhere nice and have a brew and a bite to eat, doesn't take much organizing gear wise and really adds interest to the day. Good one Paul. Cheers.
Great test! Did the exact same test - on my CampingGaz stove (C206) - which is over 30 years old! Despite that, and it having been used only once in the last 20 years, the gas hasn’t leaked!
Only had my kitchen pan, with very heavy base, so this took longer to heat than yours - nearly 6 minutes to boil 300ml with the lid on. I then weighed it (with some jewellers scales) and it only used 5 grammes of gas - 1 gramme per minute, result!!! :-)
All depends on your definition of "best," I guess.
I haven't taken my PR2 out on the trail in 3 years. I switched to an alcohol stove a few years ago, and this past year made a switch again to wood burning stoves (Solo Lite and a Lixade Ti tower stove). Once I stopped being in a hurry, I found a new peace and joy on the trail. It's great to set time records boiling water, but once I let that go (with my alky stove), I discovered I didn't miss the speed. Taking time to set up camp at the end of the day, gather what little fuel I need, and get a small fire going in my stove to heat and cook with just caps off the day so nicely. And when I'm done cooking, I can throw on my gloves and dump the embers in the fire ring to get a bigger campfire going (or just keep enjoying my mini campfire).
If you haven't given the Solo Lite (or a comparable gasifier stove) a shot, I highly recommend it. There are a ton of way more affordable options on Amazon ... lots of China specials ... and they all seem to work fine. The steel version of the Lixada Ti stove is under $30 US (about €22). The Ti version is only a little bit more. I've seen a bunch of folding wood stove videos you have made. If you haven't given the gasifer stove a shot, I highly recommend it.
I’ve had the cheap Chinese gas stove for 2 years now, never let me down once
Cheers Anthony. What matters is that your stoves work for you. Sounds like you have it sorted. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for uploading Paul. I’ve got the Jetboil Flash which I’ve used for 8 years now. The bigger size means it actually fits a gas canister inside the main body, so probably about the same size as Minimo and canister separately. I took it for two week long treks recently and it was great, big fan of the Jetboil systems. I haven’t used it much for frying pan style cooking though, mainly for boil in the bag stuff or just boiling water, so I’ll be interested to see how you get on with that.
I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
Flash is great for boiling water quickly, flame adjust is really full on or off with Piezo and heat indicator. Zip is similar but smaller/lighter no piezo or heat indicator. Minimo is bigger, better for two peoples food. The big advantage is it has a proper regulator so you can adjust flame down low and simmer. Cons are more expensive.
Don't really go camping but really enjoy these chill videos. Jetboil for me based on no experience whatsoever :)
Cheers buddy. I like it a lot. Easily my favourite gas stove. Thanks for watching
I picked up a second hand jetboil about 10 yrs ago, performs faultlessly every day for morning brew on the covid one a day trail ;-)
What a great idea Keri, I never thought to take a walk and make a brew. stay safe and enjoy your trailing.
Ive been figuring local trails to keep hill fit and invariably getting to a log on a woodland boundary overlooking a field watching the sun rising..keep safe and keep fit.
It's a great stove. I really like mine. Thanks for watching
I've got the Wish APG 1400ml equivalent JetBoil knockoff, cost me £19 and I must say its bloody brilliant. Speed, build quality and cost, I just can't knock it.
£19 wow. I looked at them before, between £30-40 + p&p
@@naepace Still, that would appear to be 1/3 of the price of the Jetboil. @aggyMI's comment is swaying me towards this, whereas I was learning towards the Jetboil previously. It'd be daft to spend x3 the amount for a like-for-like unit.
What matters is that your stoves work for you. Sounds like you have it sorted. Thanks for watching.
@@naepace if I recall I had a 15% discount too, but honestly I've been very impressed with it
@@PaulMessner cheers Paul, yes sometimes it's great when things turn out good on a shoestring
Thank you. This was very helpful!
Nice video Paul, I own the MSR Windmaster and the Pocketrocket2, if I take the PR2 out, I miss the WindM speed, but for pack size and weight the PR2 gets more time in my pack. The Windmaster isn’t great at simmering, however it’s never affected by winds.
I think both are great stoves. Thanks for watching.
I have the MSR and its awesome. It packs perfectly inside my GSR Pinnacle Soloist with a small gas canister, stabiliser and lighter.
Great vid ..I think another massive point to any jetboil is the neoprene sleeve
That's great info Steven. It's a useful addition to help with insulation. Thanks for sharing and for watching the video.
Minimo all the way....✌✌
Take it everywhere work,hiking,camping etc... keep up the good work in these trying times..👍
Cheers Kevin. I like it a lot. Easily my favourite gas stove. Thanks for watching
I've got a cheap and cheerful no name thing, £8 from Go Outdoors. Bought it in 2009. Still going strong, only niggle is the electrode is a bit loose so have to make sure it's in the right position otherwise it doesn't spark.
Hi Paul My stove of choice is the Primus OmniFuel II. I used to have a pocket rocket till it got damaged in a drop. Yes the multi fuel is big and heavy. It is bomb proof especially on a multi day trip being able to run an almost anything. I buy 5 ltr of car panel wipe at a time. It burns clean and probably not as hot a burn as some fuels. But it is only 10p for a 100g. Over the years my stove has cost me penny's to run in comparison to gas. I always carried a spare gas can just in case I had a problem with the stove which i haven't yet. When you traips through the nw highlands You cant just nip to the shop. I also prefer not to camp in summer as i prefer the autumn winter and spring. My favourite pots st the moment are cheap poundland ones as they last as long as any expensive named brands. Ok they might be a couple of peanuts heavier than the others but it only cost me £2 to replace. I take the handles off and use a pot grip instead.
Cheers Alan. I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
I use the BRS 3000T but also own a Minimo and a Wind Master. After much of experimenting I've stuck with the BRS because it's ultra compact and weighs only 25 gm. I've also found that if you run the BRS at about 80% it's way more fuel efficient than at full noise. It uses 4.6 gm of fuel to boil 300 ml of water in a Toaks 900 pot and closer to 6 gm in the Toaks 650 light. The boil times are longer than the other stoves but I figure an extra minute or so is irrelevant when relaxing in the wild! The final deal sealer for me was its nesting capabilities.
The BRS fits into a Toaks 550 light with a 100 gm can, JetBoil stabiliser, mini Bic, small cloth and a Snow Peak hot lips, then all of that nests perfectly inside a Toaks 900 pot. Neat and compact. The 900 for cooking and the 550 for drinking. If I go stupid light I put the stove, gas can, stabiliser, Bic and hotlips into a Toaks 650 light and that's it!
The BRS is not the best in wind so I made a Ti wind shield that clips to the gas can, rolls up, weighs virtually nothing and works perfectly.
Lastly... I use an adapter to put an extra 25 gm of fuel into the 100 gm cans so it holds 125 gms. The total weight of the can and fuel is 215 gms. This is still a safe amount of fuel but any more will not allow the liquid fuel to vapourise properly. Now I get an extra 5 boils of 300 ml of water. Thanks for reading!
Btw Paul, a friend put me onto your channel and I love your content! Subscribed, thanks.
I do have the BRS stove but mine is not very good. I've heard that it's a bit hit and miss with quality on this stove and I must be one of the unlucky ones. Thanks for watching
I added two sleeves of silicone tube onto the handles of my Alpkip pot, works a treat 👍🎒
Hey TDZ. When you take the pot handles off to add the silicone sleeves do the handles fit as snugly when you put them back on the pot and where am i best looking for some silicone sleeves. Any info would be appreciated. Atb Sconja 👍
That's great info. Thanks for sharing and for watching the video.
Yes plenty of flex in handles, so just under bend before re fitting. 1/2 a meter of silicon tube was about 99p off eBay 👍
@@get_outdoors. Cheers 👍👍
Great video Paul, especially the fuel efficiency details. I’ve experimented with loads of setups and because I don’t fry food and use dry food bags just requiring hot water I settled on a lightweight Pocket Rocket Deluxe (built in igniter and better wind shielding ) and a small kettle - which means I have water for dry food and a drink. I have the Minimo and I do like it, but too heavy in my quest to get to 10kg. Thanks for this great comparison.
I do agree, as with most camp gear, there's not one perfect item. Each have their pros and cons. I'm lucky to have several stoves so I can take the one that best suits what I'm going to cook. Thanks for watching.
I have a cheap, basic stove and used to boil water with the valve on maximum which used a lot of gas.
Unless you are in a rush a cheap stoves efficiency can be improved by using the gas on a mid setting but taking a little longer to boil
What matters is that your stoves work for you. Sounds like you have it sorted. Thanks for watching.
Hi Paul. Thanks for the review. I believe it’s the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe that is designed to be highly Wind resistant, vs the PR2. Cheers
Indeed it is. I use this and for Scotland it perfect lol
I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
Thanks Paul. Going to buy a stove when lockdown over, so this video was well-timed!
Glad you like the videos. Thanks for watching
Was fairly surprised when you did the boil test and said there wasn't much in it. I know you were referring to boil times, but the Soto used nearly DOUBLE the fuel of the pocket rocket. On a multi day hike, that makes a massive difference.
I have to say, when you are camping, why on Earth does it matter how long a cooker takes to boil water?
t's probably linked to how much fuel you use?
Campers may not care but hikers with 20+ miles/day and limited daylight really do care about the time like that. With that said, some people do turn that 5 second difference into a pissing contest.
Brilliant indepth stove comparison Paul... three very good bits of kit.... I use a Coleman FyreStorm.. bit bulky and the cup has a flame hotspot but its brilliant in wind....
What matters is that your stoves work for you. Sounds like you have it sorted. Thanks for watching.
I've been looking at upgrading my camp stove set-up - Crickey things are expensive here in NZ mid 2023!
I've found the windmaster the best combination of lightweight, piezo lighter, wind resistant and must have regulator for cold / altitude performance, and is somewhat reasonably priced here in NZ at $135. Pair it with a Toaks pot and it's over 150g lighter and $150 cheaper than the Minimo which is listing for a ridiculous $390 in NZ !! [The MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe is $220 - bonkers!!]
What a great review Paul, I like my MSR windburner which I have had for about 5 years now, but still take out my pocket rocket on occasions. Depends on what you want a stove to do and the situation you are using it I guess. Thank you Paul for sharing your time and knowledge, take care of you and yours.
I do agree, as with most camp gear, there's not one perfect item. Each have their pros and cons. I'm lucky to have several stoves so I can take the one that best suits what I'm going to cook. Thanks for watching.
Paul, that was a well-done presentation. My personal view is that compared to other gear (tent, pack, sleeping bag and pad), the stove is the least utilized piece of kit on the trail; often used a total of only 5-6 minutes per day. So if your stove is sufficiently lightweight and it works, then it's good enough. No need to lose sleep over this one.
You're basing importance of gear based on how many minutes per day its used and not its function? OK
I use the Pocket Rocket 2 and the Pocket Rocket Deluxe.
I've heard they are great stoves too. I've seen the videos but not had chance to use one myself. Thanks for watching.
i think where the soto excells is when its cold. Gas canisters lose pressure when its very cold but i find the soto regulator is really good at keeping a consistent burn. :)
Thanks for the excellent review video! Keep up the good work!
JETBOIL! I've had my JETBOIL for perhaps a decade now - I believe that mine is a Jetboil flash or zip or a older model!
Mine didn't come with a gas cylinder support or a protective bag for the burner! I've bought the gas can legs separately!
Main reason I got the Jetboil is I'm VERY perticular/picky with COFFEE!
AND I saw a Jetboil kit with Jetboils OWN "French Press" accessory included! ON SALE! IT also Fits inside the "mug"! SO - Gas canister (23 grams), Burner, AND coffee press kit - ALL fits inside the Cooking Pot/MUG!
I don't remember IF the (third party/cheapo/knockoff) legstand fits as well!
BUT all in all I am very happy with my Jetboil kit and it is brought on most journeys - unless I'm flying!
You CAN'T BRING Gas Cannisters on Aeroplanes! Or any other flammable stove fuel!
Apart from that - my JETBOIL KIT is perfect! AND I can't recommend it warrmly enough!
One NEGATIVE! The PIEZO sparker BROKE very early!
jetboil.johnsonoutdoors.com/stoves-systems/flash-java-kit
www.jetboil.com/trail-life/article/barista-quality-camping-coffee
I went with the Jetboil Sumo since I do a lot of 'boil in the bag' or 'dehydes' - one boil and I can do those and have boiled water for coffee ;)
How does it compare with the one shown? I mean, I take it 'sumo' means it has a larger pan? Is it considerably larger? Does it consume more fuel using like for like amount of water as the one shown?
Apologies for the questions. Stuck inside is driving me nuts, I need to get out camping again!
I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
@@eumaeus I know the feeling - Just got myself a new Osprey Rook pack and Trekology trekking poles ... and now I can't go anywhere lol :)
The Sumo holds 1.8l of water although the top indicator stamped inside is 1.25l (40 ounces) and I only fill to there to allow for displacement if doing boil in the bag MRE's (Australian). It's the same width as the Minimo in the review, but about twice the height. Other bonus is - I can fit 2x 100g jetboil iso-propane canisters inside plus the stove, pot holder (which I usually leave atr home) and the stand). 666g with an almost full 100g canister in it. It's bulky as well - so there's a price to pay ;)
What is up my brother from South Korea 🇰🇷
I have the soto windmaster and love it.
What's the company's warranty for this stove?
Thank you for taking the time to share this! I love watching these, they make me want to get on the other side and go camp! I very much appreciate the comparisons. I did notice that the MinoMo cup was attached when the burner was lit. I just want to point out that you don't want to do that in the future as doing so could trap the gas. That's not fun. Great video :)
@@williamc9574You're good to have the lid on. What I was referring to it the actual cooking cup.
Thanks for letting people know.
My go to is the Soto Amicus. Love it! For winter, I got the Kovea Spider. Works great! I also have an ancient JetBoil (gen1 but still working!), BRS 3000 stove (featherlite but pushover in any slight breeze), and MSR Whisperlite liquid gas stove (have not used in years).
bertman4 I have the original pocket rocket which is great but does struggle to simmer. I bought the Soto Amicus which a) is better in wind b) simmers well and c) fits in my toaks 550 with gas cannister which ALSO both fit inside my Titan kettle. I second your view of the Amicus. Think Paul should have used the Amicus in the review as for size and weight of cookset I don't think it can be beaten.
@@markcutler350 Nice! Also Amicus is less expensive than the Windmaster and the pot stands are attached.
I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
Just used my mini mo today! Super stove for a day hike or overnight for 2. Love your reviews! Had the tent up all Easter too 😀
The mini mo is perfect for these current condition 💪
I like it a lot. Easily my favourite gas stove. Thanks for watching
That's the best review ya ever gonna get on those 3 products, well done Paul keep up the great work ✌️
Agree pretty epic review 💪
Thanks Steve. I think they all are great stoves. Thanks for watching.
You have NO CREDABILITY WITH MEeee after this SALES PITCH.
This video is BALONEY aka CLAPTRAP under the guise of an obvious Commerical to generate revenue for Paul. The Jetboil is a distance 3rd place competitor to the Soto Windmaster & the Pocket Rocket 2 in the real world in terms of efficiency, using less fuel to heat/boil water/meals, is lighter, easier to pack up & carry in a backpack. The Jetboil is just plain BULKY & HEAVY. Even more obvious is the "staged" pot falling off the Soto.
Another great review video Paul. Love my jet boil having used a hexmine stove for years previously. Boils even quicker if you put the lid on first!
That's great info. Thanks for sharing and for watching the video.
I use the Pocket Rocket 2. It's superb.
My current stove is either a BRS 3000T (25g in weight, made from Titanium, only $25 CAD) or the Lixada 3200W if I need something bigger. Both are available on Amazon.
Great video as always mate!. As total novice and beginner to the wild camping scene I’ve purchased the Soto Amicus stove and cook set combo from cotswoldsoutdoors excellent values at £45 and I must say the stove is an excellent piece of kit and the pots that come with it are a bonus great value and starter kit for anyone I say.
I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
Very useful info Paul. I bike pack and bought the pocket rocket because it was small and light. I like the Jet boil and will probably buy this for when I go hiking. Thanks for keeping up your content and making it interesting.
Cheers John. I think both are great stoves. Thanks for watching.
Pocket Rocket 2 for me . Great review Paul . Certainly Pocket suffers in wind , I find myself sheltering when using it . For the money I picked it up with the MSR Titan Pot , great combination 👌
It's a great stove. I really like mine. Thanks for watching
Paul Messner keep up the great work, love the content. Hopefully we’ll be on the trail soon 👌👏🇮🇪
Exactly the video i was looking for! Thank you! I think im sold on the Soto Windmaster to start off 👍
Very helpful and very informative vid. Based on this I've decided to get a pocket rocket 2. Thanks very much!
What I like about my pocket rocket is the flame never gets blown out no matter how low you set it, the triangle deflector in the middle does a good job keeping the flame alive. The others must be really good or I'm just still used to the old crap from the 80s 😂
Interesting results, i use the pocket rocket and love it , totally agree with you, not great in wind but a shield sorts that, the jetboil looks a fantastic bit of kit though!
Cheers Richard. I think both are great stoves. Thanks for watching.
LPG Gas is fine in warmer weather . But get a really cold spell and the just wont gas off. White Gas is the best all round with something like the MSR whisper light.
Good informative video. There’s so many stoves out there. All have their pros and cons. Choices On which one to use greatly depends your environment,weather, weight you want to carry, how long you’re going, pack size, what you will be cooking pot size, etc. I like the way you explain and demonstrate the differences between each . Thanks for sharing and taking the effort on making these videos .👍👍👍
Great point Rick. I do agree, as with most camp gear, there's not one perfect item. Each have their pros and cons. I'm lucky to have several stoves so I can take the one that best suits what I'm going to cook. Thanks for watching.
pocket rocket for myself i have 25 litre ruck sack and goes in with food etc on my E Bike and when go campping you have to be compatible than having the best stove just takes longer and just make a wind guard is easy and cheap😇
Great little stove
@Paul Messner,
Great review but I would say the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe and the MSR Windburner should have been included to be a fair comparison
Thanks
Agreed!! MSR windburned is on another level.
I can only compare what I have. Unfortunately I don't have deep enough pockets to buy every stove. That would be the dream job though to be able to test camping gear every day. Thanks for watching.
I have the primus ETA spider, beast of a stove, paid 60, packs small with gas inside the bag, works even in 60mph gusts. If you can get hold of one I would thoroughly recommend
Surprised at your Soto as you raved about it once upon a time.
But a fairish review 👍🏻
Thanks 🙏🏻
I still rave about it Michael. It's a great stove. I think when you actually put all of them together and measure times, fuel used and compare prices etc, you can get a few changes to the picture. I still love all of the stoves and would happily take either on a trip. Thanks for watching.
I use both the mini mo and pr2 love both of them equally ,depends what im cooking on which stove I take ,noodles or soup and I take the pr2 and if its meat or curry I take the mini mo
I do agree, as with most camp gear, there's not one perfect item. Each have their pros and cons. I'm lucky to have several stoves so I can take the one that best suits what I'm going to cook. Thanks for watching.
@@PaulMessner same here Paul ive got about 4/5 different cooking options ,but always tend to come back to the pocket rocket or mini mo ,practicality of both means they are normally in the bag
What a fantastic review . I am in the process of deciding which system to go with and this has helped tremendously thank you, Great narration and pace 👌
Tony I agree, and I am in the process of upgrading my 90s gear for a lighter, more streamlined kit ready for thru hiking here in New Zealand.
This video was extremely informative and useful for my decision making on the stove I will choose. I was looking at the Jetboil minimo and the pocket rocket in the shop just yesterday!
@@GypsyGirl317 High Gg, I now have the minimo and have been using it for a few months now. The ability to simmer, its 4.5 turns to full gives you incredible control. If you plan to cook say pasta or anything that needs a very gentle simmer the this is a must. I cannot recommend it more. It boils very fast and if you get it with the attachment so you can use a frying pan, makes a perfect breakfast fry up. Hope that helps 👌
@@antonystarling thank you that's very helpful.
What is the weight like for multi day hiking?
@@GypsyGirl317 very light it's compact, gas cannister has to be out side, but you all the other parts fit inside. And you can use the plastic cup part at the bottom to fit tea bags and sugar
I have all three. Sold them all except the Soto Windmaster. Says it all really. I cooked extensively with the minimo but it eventually leads to hotspots forming and then food just sticks to the bottom - despite how you care for it.
I have a cheap pocket rocket knock off. Great stove and small fits right inside my GSI mess kit.
What matters is that your stoves work for you. Sounds like you have it sorted. Thanks for watching.
Great vid. I use a highlander blade mk 2. When I bought it it was juat over half the price of a jetboil. Me and my friend had a race. He had the jetboil (flash or zip, I can't remember) and we both had new Canisters. There was 2-3 seconds between them on full burner to boil 1liter. Keep up the great reviews. ATB
I've not tried that particular model Dave. but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
Great thorough review as always 👍 I have the jetboil sol with the original heat exchanger frying pan. This has a never let me down.
I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
You can keep a Good Man in, but you cannot keep him down, or stop him from producing great content.
Thanks Harold. Glad you like the videos. Thanks for watching
I rather enjoyed that. Jetboil it is then...one of these days.
Cheers, Paul
Stay safe
I like it a lot. Easily my favourite gas stove. Thanks for watching
Your'll need a lighter for the Jetboil Zip...i love my Jetboil Flash which on the pot has an orange indicator when the water's boiled despite the weight i wouldn't swap it
Cheers Andy. I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
Hi Paul, another good video m8, I use the "Jetboil minimo" which has held up for two years without any problems whatsoever. The jetboil ""minimo"" gives you the option to regulate the gas input which helps in cooking, the "original jetboil" does not have this regulater option and is used more for just boiling water. I know that you know this already :) :) was just stating for other readers. Keep up the good work and see you soon in your next video..
Thank you for the heads up, I am just learning about the Jetboil stoves, and I did not know that so it is helpful. 😊
Those noodles are dirt cheap but quite nice. What I have done is boil the water then mix the curry powder with a teaspoon or 2 of Bisto (depends on your tastes) into the water and stir, then put the noodles in to absorb the goodness.
Interesting, I've got the Minimo, but also a MSR Windburner and a Trangia 27; and use them for different things. The Minimo for 'boil in the bag', the Windburner for water, and the Trangia for proper food.
I do agree, as with most camp gear, there's not one perfect item. Each have their pros and cons. I'm lucky to have several stoves so I can take the one that best suits what I'm going to cook. Thanks for watching.
I use a stove that's close to, if not older than me. It's one of the old coleman 550b multifuel stoves that still uses a hand pump. It's by no means that efficient or quick, but I love it to bits.
A first view of one of your videos Paul. When you listed the stoves for your test I thought you said MightMO. Clean out my ears I guess. Appreciate your pleasant video. Oh and I have Pocket Rocket 2 and MightyMO plus others. Appreciate both.
I use a pocket rocket2 with an msr trail mini solo cook kit and a lightweight windshield. Packs small and light ideal for 1.
What matters is that your stoves work for you. Sounds like you have it sorted. Thanks for watching.
I have & use a jet boil. Think I mentioned that mine is a jetboil zip mk1 version. There is no ignition switch on that version. So it’s great they have modified it & improved it. I’ve cooked everything you can think of on it. The frying pan opens a whole host of options. Nice review Paul
Cheers Andy. I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
Hello Paul, thank you for sharing another one of your fine videos. I've the MSR pocket rocket for a year now. I really enjoy it. It has not failed me yet. As a backup, I have a Solo alcohol stove. Be safe out there Paul. 🤗
Thanks great video no loud music just you and the product
good vid paul... a love minimo just an all in stove does everthing and packs alltogether.... my opnion tho buddy ....have good day🏴
Thanks for watching.
Paul, nice review, as a big fan of noodles and ramen, the best practice is not to break the noodles into smaller pieces, try to keep the original package of the noddle perhaps with a wide month pot would provide a better middle experience ☺️
I’ve got a Soto Amicus Piezo which I usually carry inside a 650ml Toaks Titanium mug along with a small canister and a small towel the way you do with the Pocket Rocket 2. Quite happy with that setup although I haven‘t had the chance yet to try it in strong wind. If I want to bring another pot along I also have a 1l pot which neatly fits everything else.
I've not tried that particular model but it sounds like it's working well for you. Thanks for watching.
Nice review Paul. Glad my trusty pocket rocket done well though. However might look at trying the Jetboil Minimo for next winter. Atb
Cheers ray. I think both are great stoves. Thanks for watching.
I'm glad that the Jetboil came (equal) first. Not because I have one, but you had to use it's measuring cup for testing the other stoves. It would have been so unfair otherwise :)