All I can say is that the range on the Storm bee is far better then I expected, It's my commuter bike so basically I use it as a road bike, well riding in the 45-55 mph range with the occasional full throttle stretch it's very consistent in the results from day to day, after clocking 60 miles L'm always left with -/+ 30% battery and I think that is phenomenal.
Hi Peter. I own both bikes. I got the prototype Storm Bee (90v) 3 years ago. Then the Ultra Bee about 2 years ago. I love them both but for different reasons. The Ultra Bee is my preferred ride for very technical mountain rides. I have more confidence because I can pick it up and muscle through tricky rock gardens. The Storm Bee is better for fast swoopy trails and dirt roads because my poor old back (had disc surgery), I'd rather not pick it up from tip-overs. I live and ride at my yurt camp in Mongolia. We are off-road next to common land with no vehicle restrictions. Mongolia is 99.7% empty and much of it is rideable. Grassy slopes and forest without undergrowth is my riding territory, right outside my door. Getting petrol is a hassle for us in our off-road location and I've sold my dino juice bikes, except one which I hardly ever ride. My nearest petrol station is a 26km round trip but we have cheap grid electricity. So I recharge for about $0.10. I'd rather ride than do maintenance which is easy and minimal on electric bike. Maintenance on my Surrons has been tires, brakes, chain adjustment and replacement parts for things I break on my frequent tip overs. As far as range, I don't think in distance, I think in time. I get about 3-4 fun rides before I need to recharge. Perhaps 3 hours of cross country, mountain riding. I did do an out and back ride over 3 mountain passes on the Storm Bee. It was 42km round trip and I had 10% left. Generally, my rides are about an hour. So I get perhaps 3 hours of fun. I agree with the smiles per mile being off the charts.
@@EBikeGuides Yes, both my Storm Bee and Ultra Bee are going strong but since I put a 21” front wheel on the Ultra Bee, I prefer to ride my Ultra Bee and the Storm Bee isn’t getting much use. I might sell it next year. I really want something I can do tours with my wife and an e-bike doesn’t fit that criteria. So I’ll probably pick up a dual-sport 250 for that purpose.
I just ordered a Ultra Bee enduro. I have a KLX 300 and I love it. My KLX has adjustable suspension and it has been great for what I use. I have trails around my house, so the electric will be nice and quiet, or I hope that will be the case. Nice review.
@@Ghost-vs3du I love the ultra bee. It’s quite enough. Took some getting used to the rear brakes being where the clutch usually is. Real is a nice bike. I recommend doing the wheel and tire upgrade
My biggest concern is that with a gas bike on a motocross track I have 6 gears to work with. So, half throttle has 6 different "meanings" depending on what gear I'm in. It's really hard to judge your speed on the track but you always know what gear you are in. It's especially important when jumping since coming up short or going long is usually a bad thing. Seems like this would be a simple thing to add to an electric bike by adjusting throttle response. You would more or less have a virtual gear box.
I hear what you're saying, and I'm not claiming that this bike will compete with the best jumping motorcycles, but some of your concern may be set at ease by trying the bike. It does have different ride modes which can change the throttle response, but it's actually very easy to control. A gas bike will have peaks in the power and inconsistent throttle response depending on RPM. (High gear, no response, low gear, tremendous response) so I think what you'll find by riding a bike like this is that you do actually have very precise control. Again, electric bikes aren't going to be for everyone, but some of the questions disappear by riding them. The toughest thing is getting used to no clutch, sometimes I've grabbed a handful of brake because I instinctively slow and pull the clutch lever, which is a brake. I own a great gas powered road bike, and have this as my dirt bike. I'm not someone who will push people hard to gas or electric, but I will say that as far as electric vehicles go, there are a lot of "misses" in the auto and powersports industry. This bike isn't a miss at all, it's excellent for what it is.
Once you get used to it ( 10 minutes ) the only thing that needs attention on the Storm Bee at least , is adjusting the suspension to cope with the extra speed you'll be carrying ... A hint ; start with the fork springs and work your way back . ( ditch the standard ones ; get someone competent to do this though )
Thank you for the review, we have a dealership here in Petawawa, Ontario. I’ve seen a few folks here blasting on the ultra bee, and light beesome even commuting to work. I personally have a motocross background, I’d be more interested in the storm bee. More to follow on that one, I do have a 1985 Honda CR125 project bike that I’m working on.
I wonder if either of these would be decent for commuting? I do have a gas powered bike but if I were to get one of these I want to be able to ride it to work if I wanted to. I have 38km with a speed limit of 80km/h most of the way
Can any of these bikes be fitted with working peddles and all lights and signals to make these bikes road legal? Can they also be fitted with road tires? Thanks.
What are your thoughts on compaitively priced bikes in both price ranges? Im a gasser, but am really interested in the electric for some fun hard enduro
The Ultra Bee sounds perfecty for what I am looking but at 6'3" 230lbs I am 10lbs over the 220lbs max load. Would be nice to have an option for the taller and heavier riders.
I can't see why you couldn't store it any which way, there's no fluid that is going to leak, and the battery doesn't care which way it's positioned. As far a for a taller rider, you'll have to see for yourself. I'm about 6 feet tall and it fits me just fine.
It's such a different experience. Mine has more torque down low, and because there's no gears or shifting, it's just different. But I'd say that's probably a fair comparison. It goes about 90 km/h (55 mph) with my 6 foot 180 lbs on it. (I weigh more with gear) So I'm not sure exactly what a 125 tops out at. I haven't ridden a 125 dirt bike in a long time.
Just play with the clickers. You can lower the compression damping and make it softer that way. You can also drop the sag by adjusting the preload on the spring. Then you just balance the changes with the rebound damping.
I think that would depend on the area. I don't think it's gone through the approval anywhere in Canada to officially be road legal, but I'm not positive.
Thinking about making the shift to an Ultra. Can you help me with a dimension? Need to know the distance from the foot peg to the top of the seat on both the ultra bee and storm bee. Taller rider and wanting to see how much legroom there is when seated. Thanks!
Send me an email. peter@peterlowe.one and I'll try to get that for you. I can measure my ultra, but the storm bee is at the dealer right now and I'll have to get that measurement when I'm there.
Will Macleans be stocking the E-Ride Pro, the Varg or the E-Motion (E Pure, E Race, E scape)? Currently no one in Canada is carrying the E Ride Pro and it's quickly becoming the e moto of choice due to being 72V out of the box. The option to upgrade your Surron with cutting edge components has become more difficult and expensive because EBMX has changed their business model. They no longer sell direct to customer and only to dealers.
how much hillclimb (elevation) is possible with those bikes until the battery is at 20%? Do both have regen when riding down? My goal is to climb 2000-30000m in elevation on dirt paths at quite some speed 30-50km/h on average
The ultra just seems cleaner. But I think it lacks some power. We need the ultra size and weight. but with say double that power. or like the stark varg.
I really like my Ultra for what it is. It's not meant to be an all out top of the line bike, but as a bike that's lightweight and trail capable, I love it!
My personal objective is a true, Platable, Dual-Sport, capable of 70ish mph cruising, with above-avg End User support (that nixes Zero) …. I remain optimistic.
Try the twin hall effect throttle assembly offered by Surron for the 2022 Storm Bee ; mine lost the reverse function but gained an extra " exponential " option on the sport mode ... Turbo makes zero difference on this setting and I've just realised why reverse is deleted . Fun & yet violent in sketchy traction situations ; ie , all offroad riding and an amusing tendency to chirp the rear tyre on solid surfaces ... Also removed that silly horn cause I'm sure ICE riders love surprises
I hopped on my ultra bee after it sat in the garage for a month and it ran out of gas. lol I mean it cut out check engine light came on. It turns out I just needed to charge it.
Hey Peter, as a new owner of an Ultra Bee but still waiting on it to arrive.....I'm already shopping for a supermoto wheel setup for it. What do you think about mounting some street tires to the stock wheels on the ultra bee?
A lightweight dirtbike like a 125 weighs right around 200 pounds a full size 450 weighs around 235 pounds. The storm bee is much heavier than any competition style motocross bike.
Sure. But I don't look at these as competition style motocross bikes. I feel like my ultra bee is very similar in use to a Kawasaki KLX 300. In that case these things compare really well. Slightly less top end, better torque down low, adjustable suspension, and definitely lighter.
I also have a gasoline motorcycle and if these bikes wouldn't be so expensive i would definitely buy one but because they are expensive i need to think about it long and hard so it won't be a waste of money
The suspension on these are adjustable but the suspension is junk. A 2 min test ride will show how bad the forks are. I was about to buy the storm bee but after riding both the ultra and storm i walked away from buying either. Absolute junk which was disappointing as i really wanted to buy the storm before i rode one.
All I can say is that the range on the Storm bee is far better then I expected, It's my commuter bike so basically I use it as a road bike, well riding in the 45-55 mph range with the occasional full throttle stretch it's very consistent in the results from day to day, after clocking 60 miles L'm always left with -/+ 30% battery and I think that is phenomenal.
My Ultra Bee has really impressed me with it's range as well. I think for most riders, these will have plenty of range.
How much do you weight?
150 pounds @@sebg2429
I just bought a StormBee today in Ottawa for the price you have this one listed at. I can't wait to pick it up monday!
Nice!! Enjoy!!
Hi Peter. I own both bikes. I got the prototype Storm Bee (90v) 3 years ago. Then the Ultra Bee about 2 years ago.
I love them both but for different reasons. The Ultra Bee is my preferred ride for very technical mountain rides. I have more confidence because I can pick it up and muscle through tricky rock gardens. The Storm Bee is better for fast swoopy trails and dirt roads because my poor old back (had disc surgery), I'd rather not pick it up from tip-overs.
I live and ride at my yurt camp in Mongolia. We are off-road next to common land with no vehicle restrictions. Mongolia is 99.7% empty and much of it is rideable. Grassy slopes and forest without undergrowth is my riding territory, right outside my door.
Getting petrol is a hassle for us in our off-road location and I've sold my dino juice bikes, except one which I hardly ever ride. My nearest petrol station is a 26km round trip but we have cheap grid electricity. So I recharge for about $0.10. I'd rather ride than do maintenance which is easy and minimal on electric bike. Maintenance on my Surrons has been tires, brakes, chain adjustment and replacement parts for things I break on my frequent tip overs.
As far as range, I don't think in distance, I think in time. I get about 3-4 fun rides before I need to recharge. Perhaps 3 hours of cross country, mountain riding.
I did do an out and back ride over 3 mountain passes on the Storm Bee. It was 42km round trip and I had 10% left. Generally, my rides are about an hour. So I get perhaps 3 hours of fun. I agree with the smiles per mile being off the charts.
Nice !!!!!!
I am happy for your new electric dirt bike! is it still good today?
@@EBikeGuides Yes, both my Storm Bee and Ultra Bee are going strong but since I put a 21” front wheel on the Ultra Bee, I prefer to ride my Ultra Bee and the Storm Bee isn’t getting much use. I might sell it next year. I really want something I can do tours with my wife and an e-bike doesn’t fit that criteria. So I’ll probably pick up a dual-sport 250 for that purpose.
@@martinfoster5163can u leave me ur socials since u live in Mongolia got some questions
I just ordered a Ultra Bee enduro. I have a KLX 300 and I love it. My KLX has adjustable suspension and it has been great for what I use. I have trails around my house, so the electric will be nice and quiet, or I hope that will be the case. Nice review.
How do you like it?
@@Ghost-vs3du I love the ultra bee. It’s quite enough. Took some getting used to the rear brakes being where the clutch usually is. Real is a nice bike. I recommend doing the wheel and tire upgrade
Cool electric dirt bikes, thanks for the reviews! I bet your new bike is fun to ride on a trail in the backyard, etc.
My biggest concern is that with a gas bike on a motocross track I have 6 gears to work with. So, half throttle has 6 different "meanings" depending on what gear I'm in.
It's really hard to judge your speed on the track but you always know what gear you are in. It's especially important when jumping since coming up short or going long
is usually a bad thing. Seems like this would be a simple thing to add to an electric bike by adjusting throttle response. You would more or less have a virtual gear box.
I hear what you're saying, and I'm not claiming that this bike will compete with the best jumping motorcycles, but some of your concern may be set at ease by trying the bike. It does have different ride modes which can change the throttle response, but it's actually very easy to control.
A gas bike will have peaks in the power and inconsistent throttle response depending on RPM. (High gear, no response, low gear, tremendous response) so I think what you'll find by riding a bike like this is that you do actually have very precise control. Again, electric bikes aren't going to be for everyone, but some of the questions disappear by riding them.
The toughest thing is getting used to no clutch, sometimes I've grabbed a handful of brake because I instinctively slow and pull the clutch lever, which is a brake.
I own a great gas powered road bike, and have this as my dirt bike. I'm not someone who will push people hard to gas or electric, but I will say that as far as electric vehicles go, there are a lot of "misses" in the auto and powersports industry. This bike isn't a miss at all, it's excellent for what it is.
Once you get used to it ( 10 minutes ) the only thing that needs attention on the Storm Bee at least , is adjusting the suspension to cope with the extra speed you'll be carrying ...
A hint ; start with the fork springs and work your way back . ( ditch the standard ones ; get someone competent to do this though )
Thank you for the review, we have a dealership here in Petawawa, Ontario. I’ve seen a few folks here blasting on the ultra bee, and light beesome even commuting to work. I personally have a motocross background, I’d be more interested in the storm bee. More to follow on that one, I do have a 1985 Honda CR125 project bike that I’m working on.
I'll be filming more Surron product soon. These are really great!
I wonder if either of these would be decent for commuting? I do have a gas powered bike but if I were to get one of these I want to be able to ride it to work if I wanted to. I have 38km with a speed limit of 80km/h most of the way
Not a problem. But it would depend on where you live if that can be done legally on the roads. These aren't street legal everywhere.
@@PeterLoweOne Thanks for your reply, these are road legal in my country so no issues there
Storm and LightBee are to short. I wonder why there is no L size. I'm 181cm and I don't feel comfortable at any of them.
Interesting. I'm similar height to you and feel comfortable on my Ultra Bee.
@@PeterLoweOne hmm.. maybe it's a matter of getting used to it. Thanks for the info;)
Can any of these bikes be fitted with working peddles and all lights and signals to make these bikes road legal? Can they also be fitted with road tires? Thanks.
What are your thoughts on compaitively priced bikes in both price ranges? Im a gasser, but am really interested in the electric for some fun hard enduro
The Ultra Bee sounds perfecty for what I am looking but at 6'3" 230lbs I am 10lbs over the 220lbs max load. Would be nice to have an option for the taller and heavier riders.
Going ultra for weight savings. Can you set up for taller riders? 6'3" Can you store bike upside down? On side?
I can't see why you couldn't store it any which way, there's no fluid that is going to leak, and the battery doesn't care which way it's positioned. As far a for a taller rider, you'll have to see for yourself. I'm about 6 feet tall and it fits me just fine.
does the ultra bee compare in power to a 125 gas bike
It's such a different experience. Mine has more torque down low, and because there's no gears or shifting, it's just different. But I'd say that's probably a fair comparison. It goes about 90 km/h (55 mph) with my 6 foot 180 lbs on it. (I weigh more with gear) So I'm not sure exactly what a 125 tops out at. I haven't ridden a 125 dirt bike in a long time.
I was just asking cause their similar price and similar hp@@PeterLoweOne
Is there a lighter rear spring for the storm bee it’s little to stiff for me. Thanks bill
Just play with the clickers. You can lower the compression damping and make it softer that way. You can also drop the sag by adjusting the preload on the spring. Then you just balance the changes with the rebound damping.
how much are the batteries if I want to have an extra?
Can the Light bee also be made road legal?
I think that would depend on the area. I don't think it's gone through the approval anywhere in Canada to officially be road legal, but I'm not positive.
I just ordered one on AliExpress for 2108 shipped to my door. I just hope it will arrive soon.
niceee hope you have lots of fun with it!!!
I am struggling to find a serious dealer, where did you order it? and did you finally get it now?
did it arrive? how is it?
Did you it it yet?
What 1 is the best for the road if you had it reg
Thinking about making the shift to an Ultra. Can you help me with a dimension? Need to know the distance from the foot peg to the top of the seat on both the ultra bee and storm bee. Taller rider and wanting to see how much legroom there is when seated. Thanks!
Send me an email. peter@peterlowe.one and I'll try to get that for you. I can measure my ultra, but the storm bee is at the dealer right now and I'll have to get that measurement when I'm there.
Will Macleans be stocking the E-Ride Pro, the Varg or the E-Motion (E Pure, E Race, E scape)? Currently no one in Canada is carrying the E Ride Pro and it's quickly becoming the e moto of choice due to being 72V out of the box. The option to upgrade your Surron with cutting edge components has become more difficult and expensive because EBMX has changed their business model. They no longer sell direct to customer and only to dealers.
I'm not sure what their plans are. You could feel free to connect with them about this using the link in the description of the video.
I just test rode the eRidePro SS 72v. It's absolutely screams. it's very stiff though, steering, balance takes some getting used to
how much hillclimb (elevation) is possible with those bikes until the battery is at 20%?
Do both have regen when riding down?
My goal is to climb 2000-30000m in elevation on dirt paths at quite some speed 30-50km/h on average
I have sur ron light modded to much so ima b goign to storm 100 direct drive 290mm fron nd rear travel sold
The ultra just seems cleaner. But I think it lacks some power. We need the ultra size and weight. but with say double that power. or like the stark varg.
I really like my Ultra for what it is. It's not meant to be an all out top of the line bike, but as a bike that's lightweight and trail capable, I love it!
My personal objective is a true, Platable, Dual-Sport, capable of 70ish mph cruising, with above-avg End User support (that nixes Zero) …. I remain optimistic.
Try the twin hall effect throttle assembly offered by Surron for the 2022 Storm Bee ; mine lost the reverse function but gained an extra " exponential " option on the sport mode ...
Turbo makes zero difference on this setting and I've just realised why reverse is deleted . Fun & yet violent in sketchy traction situations ; ie , all offroad riding and an amusing tendency to chirp the rear tyre on solid surfaces ...
Also removed that silly horn cause I'm sure ICE riders love surprises
Avez vous le lien de cette accelerator pour storm bee 2022 svp?
Genuine part available from Surron but no grip supplied . It's the 2023 assembly , hope this helps .
I wonder how the ultra bee would be with 21/18
I hopped on my ultra bee after it sat in the garage for a month and it ran out of gas. lol I mean it cut out check engine light came on. It turns out I just needed to charge it.
Which bike has better suspension and rides more like a dirt bike?Which bike has a smoother ride?
This is all in the video 😂
Hey Peter, as a new owner of an Ultra Bee but still waiting on it to arrive.....I'm already shopping for a supermoto wheel setup for it. What do you think about mounting some street tires to the stock wheels on the ultra bee?
What did you figure out
I pick storm bee because I LIKE that dark green vide,
Can't really go wrong with either of these. I love my Ultra Bee!
I think most people are going to ride it on the street
Totally agree
19" supermoto wheels won't do it justice....you need a real 17" set up@@silviosirianni9260
Which one is better than for the street?
17@@SharkZoneGaming-m2r
@@silviosirianni9260 why would they just drive it on the street ?
I have built 2 of my own i would love the uktra bee but price will have to come WAY down before I would buy one.
Hi Peter - interesting for sure
love that green color!
A lightweight dirtbike like a 125 weighs right around 200 pounds a full size 450 weighs around 235 pounds. The storm bee is much heavier than any competition style motocross bike.
Sure. But I don't look at these as competition style motocross bikes. I feel like my ultra bee is very similar in use to a Kawasaki KLX 300. In that case these things compare really well. Slightly less top end, better torque down low, adjustable suspension, and definitely lighter.
[12:46] I thought they was coming for me. I dropped my corn flakes, grabbed my roscoe, and ran to the window.
Disappointed.
Maybe tomorrow.
I also have a gasoline motorcycle and if these bikes wouldn't be so expensive i would definitely buy one but because they are expensive i need to think about it long and hard so it won't be a waste of money
12:17 a surron was stolen
The suspension on these are adjustable but the suspension is junk. A 2 min test ride will show how bad the forks are. I was about to buy the storm bee but after riding both the ultra and storm i walked away from buying either. Absolute junk which was disappointing as i really wanted to buy the storm before i rode one.
What's wrong with the forks and how much do you weigh?
Dah you 1st reference how your feet hit the ground but don’t say your height so no help
About 6 feet tall.
Rawr>Surron😏
Cant subscribe. Until the video is over I might not like you.
I appreciate your honesty. 🤣