'Take Care of Maya' Trial | Defense Opening Statement
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- Attorney Howard Hunter delivers the defense opening statement in the 'Take Care of Maya' Trial. The #Kowalski family accuse Johns Hopkins All Children’s Medical Center of false imprisonment when they brought 10-year-old Maya to the facility for severe pain. At that time, the hospital accused her parents of "medical abuse" and removed her from the home. The story inspired the #Netflix documentary, 'Take Care of Maya.'
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NEVER GO INTO A HOSPITAL DEMANDING A ‘SPECIFIC' MG OF ANY PAIN MEDICATION
IT WILL NOT END FAVORABLY...
Red flags with those demands!!
Yup like mom was obsessed with belief that the drug was the answer. The doctors saw a little girl addicted to pain meds.
@@rrtcad therapy both physical, OT and behavior helped tremendously.
drug addicts do that. hosptials have to be on guard for drug abuse. In this situation the drug being abused was ketamine.
Wow someone with a brain !
Best of luck to Maya and her family. Their day has finally come 🎉
Let justice finally prevail ⚖️
She won
I'm having my 23rd surgery next week, so I'm very familiar with the medical industrial complex. I call our health care system that because health care has become more of a business than health care. I hope she sticks it to this hospital and those responsible!
Oh MY!!! 💥😧😳 You better find a Christian Dr to SCAN YOU FOR IMPLANTS!!!
@@cutesybunny3360well who knows these days. Could very well have!
What do you mean "more of", it is a business, licensed to cheat, lie and steal! I had a double by-pass and received countless bills from doctors that I have never seen. When my insurer denied their claims and instructed me to not pay, these doctors submitted claims again using a different medical service code. Some my insurer let through, most were denied again. I also one physician service bill for the full amount even though my insurer paid the full claim! Then there was one doctor who came to my room before and after the surgery who only asked how I was feeling, then left; in my room for no more than 5 minutes each time. No exam, no checking the monitor on vitals or records, no nothing, and billed me $100 for each visit. I refuse to pay. Question each and every billing statement, match them against insurance processed claims. If they submit to the insurer, don't pay. God help you if don't have good insurance. The total bill was more than $300,000. After Medicare and insurance, my cost was around $1000.
As a nurse of many years I can see how this could happen with this girl and the hospital system. You listen to what you are told by the “experts “ ie the physicians , social workers and department of children services.
So you decide that the parents is in the wrong. I might have been one of those. Not know her whole history.
However as a mother I would fight for my child with all I have. The parents listened to the experts on CRP. They saw results from previous treatments. The mother was very strong willed and fought for what she thought was best her daughter. Could she handled it better so that hospital staff would not become angry, yes absolutely . The parents whose children have rare or complicated illnesses become experts on their own child. And that can come across to be abrasive to people who are used to be in control. But they refused to listen to her. Physicians dont want to be told they are wrong or questioned.
I believe the hospital, social workers, physicians were in the wrong.
Why didnt the physician confer with other experts who had treated her Did they?
It all could have been handled differently.
John Hopkins and the related care staff should apologize and admit their errors.
We know that wont happen. It is a huge shame. I also would find it being unbearable to live having my child taken away after being told Im a bad mother.
Sue for all you can get
The mother had 2 children and seemed obsessed with only one. I would think killing yourself before everything has been through to a final resolution shows the mother had some stability issues.
@@DJ-hf1zothat’s not true 😂 she was very close to the son as well.
Rooting for Maya and her family.
Rooting for the hop.
This lawyer is hitting red flag after red flag ...
Her mom messed her life up more than anything else...of course I believe she went through a horrible ordeal but nothing like losing her mom..As a mom, I don't get it .never will
Rooting for the truth.
without hearing all the evidence?
She got worse with ketamine but improved with her mother/abusers death. Interesting.
One of the problems the hospital has is that they did not want to acknowledge to the family that Maya had CRPS, however, that’s what they billed the insurance company…treatment for CRPS was the diagnosis they put on her claims…🤔
Exactly... how do they get around that?
Exactly.
They had to charge the insurance company with a specific disease in order to treat her and see what's actually wrong with her. They had to put something while they were figuring out what is actually wrong with her. It's actually not a big deal. It's how billing works
@@marybeck8257 😅 I’m a medical biller myself, Certified Professional Coder (CPC). Actually how it works with inpatient coding, if you don’t have a definitive diagnosis, which the hospital was claiming to the family they didn’t have one, you bill according to the symptoms. Inpatient claims are paid by the diagnosis codes on the claim, not the CPT codes as is the case with outpatient claims. The more severe a diagnosis, the higher the revenue for the the diagnosis code(s). The hospital billing for a CRPS, when they claim they didn’t have have a diagnosis of CRPS, b/c the payout is more than had they billed solely based on her symptoms is insurance fraud.
@@Aerie925thank you for this explanation! This is the exact reason billing for CRPS is a problem. They wanted to be reimbursed for treating CRPS because it meant a higher payout.
Her mom is gone, and now she's cured.. go figure
Accusing the mother of Munchhausen by proxy, and then billing for the CRP is absolutely criminal. This hospital needs to be accountable. Sally Smith needs to be eliminated from ever practicing medicine again.
Look at Sally Smiths damage in the community it’s horrible
She needs to be eliminated altogether
not unusual to code as such when the mother says she was diagnosed. the hospital was performing a battery of tests to find out what was causing the pain resulting in crps.
@@Estimator00 You must work for the hospital, regardless of what they thought they were wrong .
@@kimsears5265 you are mistaken
The irony of DCF is that the person assigned to Maya's case had a criminal record of child abuse.
Who was that ?
Sounds libellous, so you keep it anonymous.
not true
I read, Smith and another person were once jailed. I will have to research and find the article again.
@@rebeccalasiter5429 you must be watching netfix and reading the enquirer
Maya is improved and alive because her mother/abuser is dead.
i think the only problem here started when child protection services stepped in. it caused a lot of stress and trauma to the family. it did not have to go that route.the hospital couldve just stood by their medical practice justification rather than having to take the mother away from her child especially if the actions of the mother is justified by the diagnosis and opinion of the doctors who were under Maya's medical CPRS journey.
If the Ketamine the mom was demanding from all her doctor shopping ended up killing Maya, then you would have the exact opposite take.
Maya isn't taking Ketamine anymore, why does she seem perfectly fine now?
This whole case is bs, Maya's family is clearly at fault.
@@Hello-ig1px😂 ur adorable
@@kellz143amm
why are you patronizing me?
how about you actually engage with my comment instead?
if the hospital gave Maya the outrageous ketamine dose that her mom was demanding, and then that same dose killed Maya, be honest, wouldn't you support Maya's family when they sue the hospital for killing their daughter?
its literally a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario, you online hate mobs latch onto whatever bs narrative Netflix pushes on their documentaries.
The thing is though, the hospital seems to be aware that maybe the ketamine doctor misdiagnosed her…instead of accusing her mother of child abuse they should’ve taken a different action. B/c Beata wasn’t wanting the ketamine to abuse her daughter…she was told that this is the only thing that would work for her daughter’s condition
Right! Even if the dx was wrong, why go after the mother????? It makes no sense.
No one went after her. She didn’t listen to the court. The court is who told her to stay away. The hospital just had to listen to the court. The hospital treated her and she got better. I wonder how many people actually listened to these hour long openings, vs who actually just watched the movie and want to see the big bad hospital go down. If they lose to her and have to pay hundreds of millions, hospitals might close. I do believe that they should be punished when they break the law, but the only thing they did is make a report that they actually believed. They are mandated reporters
@@user-ye1ne4rr1cI’m watching all of this court case and you are wrong.
@@user-ye1ne4rr1cI know what you are saying and it’s completely valid that the documentary was seen only from the family’s side,,.. there was very little explanation coming from the hospital’s side as they declined to participate in the documentary- it is one sided and one should only make their own judgement after watching this entire trial…. Beata was doing what any mother would- trying to help her child but her husband was right and she should have approached the nurses and Drs differently or just done what her attorneys told her to - it’s completely unfair but her anger and frustration led the Hospital and nurses and Drs to have a very negative opinion of her…. She wasn’t wrong for advocating for Maya but she refused to see that once DCF was involved she wasn’t going to change the system- she was so focused on Maya getting the Ketamine and she needed to let the Drs proceed how they knew to once DCF got involved- she absolutely should have listened to her husband and not been so hyper focused on battling every one. I understand it was absolutely heartbreaking and unbearable for Beata but I didn’t see how she went to ending her life so quickly after leaving court… and she can’t live and fight for Maya if she’s gone… I truly believe there had to be something else going besides just the DCF charges … depression maybe? How does her doing that to herself help to help Maya? Leaving her husband to do it alone and causing her son horrible pain too- he probably wonders why he wasn’t enough for her…
@@terid3569 How is @user-ye1ne4rr1c wrong?
People say that patients should be self advocating, yet whenever I've asked questions (very politely) and contradicted any doctors' decisions, I received vehement backlash. I have even been thrown out of a doctor's office because my degree as a medical technician in hospital settings have allowed me to be aware of many medical screening and diagnoses. I realized that everything I've been taught about self advocating was wrong. Since I learned that, I've adopted an act wherein I act clueless and submissive to the doctor, along with learning that I must lie in order to receive helpful medical treatment. It's the doctors' egos that just cannot stand anyone questioning them, which often results in cases such as this.
Oh my gosh... I've done this, same exact reasons. We have such a huge problem.
Thank you for publicizing this common criminal activity. Watch the story of Justina Pelletier - who experienced the same treatment. They lost their suit against Boston Children’s Hospital, but do some searching and see the relationship with the judges, and doctors, with Harvard. It’s very disturbing.
I was thinking of another case like this one that happened several years ago. You brought it up! Thanks 😊
Omg YES
This is why lawyers should do their research themselves
I have amps, and I have similar issues, and for YEARS, I got told that I was making it up!!! I also have POTs and still get told it's "anxiety" by some ER doctors 😢😢😢😢 and this is Australia 😭
I’m sorry!
i had to Google the acronyms; AMPS is not a medical condition you can have; it's a service you receive: _Assessment of Motor and Process Skills_ which assesses your ability to look after yourself. _Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome_ (feeling dizzy when you stand up) can happen because either:
- You have high levels of the stress hormone norepinephrine, or
- You have unusually low blood levels
If your doctors think it's due to anxiety, that's because they have measured your norepinephrine, and it's unusually high, and that would be because you are unusually anxious. Norepinephrine is part of your body’s response system to danger - the “fight-or-flight” response. The danger could be real or imagined.
You could try meditation as a way of relaxing your mind; it has worked for many people for thousands of years. To do it, try focussing on your breath; feel it coming in, and feel it going out. If you get distracted by anything (eg an itch, or a noise), just observe that thing, and watch it slowly go away, as you return your focus to your breathing. That's all there is to it!
Justice for Maya!!!! Spread the word!
that is bs, how is she suddenly okay now and going back to school, after she was banned from ketamine usage?
clearly, john hopkins was correct.
she was literally on opiods and ketamine before john hopkins.
she was badly constipated (most likely from the opiods) and this was likely the source of the stomach pains.
she literally defecated on her hospital bed and her dad had to clean it up.
she was probably in pain because she was going through opoid or ketamine withdrawals.
so dumb how you guys blindly believe 100% Maya's story, just because a biased documentary was released.
Rooting for Maya, brother and dad . Rest in peace Beata ❤
Wow, Mayas eyes zoomed right in on the def attorney with a long stare as he spoke of the high levels of ketamine and addiction. Her body language is very telling.
Just watched the film, such heart breaking journey. May the family find Justice with their truth.
Where is this film ?
@@cutesybunny3360
There is a documentation on Netflix, I guess anntsai meant that one.
@@fraukie1598 what's the documentary called?
@@cutesybunny3360
"Take care of Maya"
Don't ask me what was first, the documentation or this title for the whole tragedy.
@@fraukie1598 ok. Thank you¡¡! I'm going to check it out now. 💥☺️👍
As a mother I would do anything if it meant that my child would get the help she needed. Truly I really believe that is the reason for what her mother had done. I won’t get into the religious aspect of right and wrong , but as a mom many many many times I feel like I failed my children and maybe they’d be better off with someone else. I can not imagine the pain of the decision she made or the pain of the family . I do think the family does understand it as hard as it is .They still are heartbroken, sad , angry , and wish everything to bring her back , but I think in their own way they maybe see what she was trying to do out of love for her family.
This hospital nor the doctors understood her disease. And Instead of reaching out to the specialists of this particular illness they assumed the little girl was lying and to not believe her. They continued to abuse this child and take her entire family away.
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The hospital followed the court order. “They” didn’t make the decision to place a no contact order. The hospital also tried to have her transferred somewhere else & her mother refused to consent to the transfer. Y’all are so one track minded in this case and it’s mind blowing.
It’s extremely hard to hold hospitals for wrongdoing or malpractice.
Let's hope this case is a win for the Kowalski's and sets a better precedent for holding hospitals liable.
250,000 Americans die of medical malpractice each year.
That’s why she’s being tortured continuously because they dragging this through court and social media
@@A.z.hoopinhard Imagine reliving this horror every day.
Ya dont walk into Hopkins and tell them how to do their job. This was always going to end w a lawsuit
Who authorize Sally Smith to assess and see Maya before the court orders when she wasn't a member of staff. She shouldn't see Maya's file she had no authority
praying for you Maya and family. keep strong. keep still. keep going. keep fighting. we support you.
I think it would have been different if the hospital, depositions, and the nurses admitted that they don’t know a lot about that condition, but they are happy to ask questions and research it. But that’s not what they did. They jumped to conclusions, which is really common. I don’t think it would have gotten this far if they had not been judgmental and ignorant from the start. There’s nothing wrong with not knowing about a particular condition. There is something wrong however, with thinking that because you have letters behind your name that you know more than the parent, who is caring for this child every day.
Even me, a non medical person knows that 1500 mgs of ketamine for a 10 year old is a red flag. The max dose for an adult is about 50 mgs.
@@kocojo6105But they were following the treatment plans of the CRPS specialists. They were called abusive because they followed doctors' advice and treatment. Why did they basically prosecute and charge Beata for following the orders?
The moment the family said they wanted to seek treatment elsewhere, it’s no longer reasonable necessary to keep the Kowalski family there.
The hospital got the court order to keep her against her and her parents will
Most medical professionals are going to carry over the person’s prior diagnosis until they have worked with a patient long enough to adjust it if needed, unless something is glaringly different. So I would want to know how long she saw each doctor and what diagnosis they may have put in the record to “rule out”.
At this point in the trial, we don't have all the previous differential Dx.
I would say putting a 60 pound child in a ketamine coma and giving her IV ketamine 1300 mg a day is child abuse. Withdrawal from ketamine is painful the hospital had to wean her off. Her Mom would have kept giving it to her until she died .
@@MyMomo17yes people aren’t talking about this. It’s not healthy especially for long term. Didn’t the hospital ween her off in hopes of finding the root of her problems? She started walking just fine years after this
As a chronic pain sufferer, i can tell you that ive been given every medication under the sun and i am currently on twice the maximum dose of fentanyl which was requested by the back/gynae and pain specialist but my GP who has little more than a basic understanding of my condition, is always trying to reduce it.
In fact, they did reduce it and this resulted in my depression turning into generalised anxiety disorder and for 2 years struggled. I have now lost my job due to this.
Normal people will never understand the hell we go through just to get through the day.
So people who really should have no right messing around with my meds has resulted in a serious decline in my mental health and i now find myself with a huge mortgage and i dont even have s job now.
This is the story of many of us. It needs to stop!
I’m late to get to this one but I wonder if the jury after hearing that “ the parents trusted them with the care of her daughter because they were there often “ ; then should the hospital not of trusted the parents with their concerns as well ?
In my opinion Howard Hunter should be awarded the "Medal of Deception" for his highly skilled ability to lie!
Its negligence JHS didnt even do an internal ethics investigation.
So why JH threatened the parents to be arrested and didnt let her parents to take the child out of hospital as outpatient and after called DCF. You had no right to keep the child in before the shelter order. What is your excuse for breaking the law?
I’m only 5min into listening to this and already rolling my eyes😤
Every one of us with a complex, rare and/or chronic illness has been through horrofic but watered down, lesser incidents of the abuses and neglect Maya was tortured with. We know these blame game justifications. We understand the narcissistic and self righteous attitudes. We have full capacity to see through the repulsive tactics and soulless mischaracterizations this repulsive laywer is parroting. The hospital went so far too far in this case.
This case is going to teach this hospital a good hard lesson. The courts should have issued a court order to stop with the high dose ketamine. Should have returned the child to this family and made visits to ensure her safety. They seem to return children again and again to homes where they are overtly abused ! Maya most definitely has CRPS. There is a pic of her leg blue and mottled. You can't fake that .
I’m surprised they didn’t settle on this case instead of putting this poor girl thru this! So sad
She has said she WANTS TO BE HEARD FOR ONCE and get justice for her mom
It was her choice. This girl has a lot to say
She wanted a trial for her story to be heard. Others that settle can’t talk about it publicly.
The family settled with Dr Smith and Suncoast Advocacy Services (the CPS contractor) for $2.5 million.
That assumes that the hospital was willing to settle...I very highly doubt that.
DCF NEEDS TO BE SUED NEXT. THEY WERE TOTALLY OUT OF LINE INCLUDING HER CONSTITUTIONALRIGHTS AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS THEY DID WRONG IN THIS CASE.
I hate how je tells the jury: you're the most important people here, while Maya is just sitting 1 meter away from him
Because they are the ones on deciding the outcome numbnuts
It is not Chronic Regional Pain Syndrome. Look it up. It is Complex Regional Pain Syndrome. Misnaming it is an insult and minimizes the syndrome to those of us who suffer from it. This lawyer is wrong on so many levels. This syndrome can kill from complications it causes. Maya going to so many doctors and when they can't diagnose her illness, it is all in her head. This is a common occurrence with sufferers of this disease. Especially going to the ED when your in pain as sufferers are never treated well at all.
At the point where the parents wanted to take their child from that hospital and bring her somewhere who COULD treat her condition, is where these professionals stepped over the line.
You should watch the case of gypsy rose blanchard and see the coincidence with this case.
@giama7618 in what way? This girl was literally kidnapped by the hospital, they lied about medical treatment they were giving the girl, the social workers were telling her her mother was crazy and one even said she’s be Mayas mother….there’s not a lot of coincidences…at all.
I once took my son to the emergency room because he had a bad cough. It turned out to be croup. If anyone knows about croup, I did not at the time, you know, fresh air alone can stop the horse light coughing. The ER was packed and he was feeling much better so we decided to go home, we were contacted by the hospital and told if I did not return my son, the police would come to the house and remove him
I had another incident with our middle child when he was much older luckily, the fire chief was there and gave the police officer a stern, talking to… My point is it’s amazing what authorities can do when it’s not necessary. When we truly need CPS to do their job. They are not there or they just completely dropped the ball.
@@giama7618 I know about that case. I live in Louisiana. She is from the area I am. I tend to take each case and not compare them. This is not like that. Beata was not insane or wanted sympathy from anyone. She was trying to help her daughter get better. She wasn’t hiding anything.
@@AlexAndra-iy5zu right and in this case, Maya was under the care of another doctor who had a regimen for her and since these doctors disagreed that made the mom have MBP?
The Netflix documentary is very very misleading…. I cried watching it but i always felt like there’s a lot more to the story…. this makes a lot more sense. This opening statement explained my suspicions….
Yeah I could tell the Docu skirted around a lot of things. And the husband was considering divorcing the mom before she passed away
The John Hopkins lawyer mindset in thinking its a priveledge to rep them starts the case off telling you Im here to assure John Hopkins wins no matter what. Look at the history of John Hopkuns from the start, not a pretty one, have they positively evolved? In Mayas case, NO!
This lawyer wore his eyeglass on his forehead the entire trial.
Who are these Pediatricians? In Canada, my son who has down syndrome is always sedated for various medical procedures with ketamine. So how can he say its not approved for use in children? My youngest (7) is on clonidine as part of his tx for adhd and disruptive mood Dysregulation Disorder. Clonidine is used regularly in Canada for children.
I don't think this case is that easy as in hospital bad - mom good.
This opening statement just admitted that they held Maya hostage because the mother refused Dr Smiths treatment plan. Which parents have a right to do!! She wanted to take her daughter out, take her to her regular Doctor and get the treatment they wanted. But this Dr at John Hopkins had a God complex and because Mrs Kowalksi refused, they decided to go to dfcs and court and hold Maya hostage. This hospital forced a treatment on a child without the parents consent. Why did Dr Smith think her treatment plan was correct and Mayas other Dr’s were wrong?
Unbelievable.
Chronic Pain patients get treated badly by hospital Doctors everyday. It’s the worst place you can go in a flare.
She’s fighting the head tilt and nod of agreement with defense!!!
I noticed this too. I hope the ACH evidence provides Maya some solace.
No, she's not. Geez Are you a body language expert?
Gaslighting Maya has probably cause a more horrific future and that needs to be addressed in punitive damages horrid evil ego wielding staff it’s so criminal!
If everything this defense lawyer says…why weren’t the doctors giving her all the ketamine arrested??? Why was it the parents rights that were stripped away? The parents were doing what the doctors were telling them to. How is that child abuse?
It's not but the doctors at the hospital didn't like how her mother continued to push for them to give her the same amounts of ketamine and how she was "pushy" in general so they decided that she had munchausen by proxy and had dcd step in and take Maya away because they thought her mother was abusing her.
Netflix is brainwashing people the wrong way. Her mother background on nursing makes her incredibly dangerous
True. This is what I thought about the Pelletier case, too. The parents were accused of doctor shopping. Doctors obtain records. They’re proud of calling themselves the experts. So, how could parents be controlling what doctors were prescribing? Wouldn’t the doctors be culpable for malpractice? No, because that hospital decided it was financially beneficial to fill a bed. This is one of the evils of corporate medicine.
Suspicion of poisoning a child should involve a criminal investigation of the mom - not long term detainment of the child. The child was punished - not the suspect. Due process was ignored, for financial benefit.
@@rebeccacampbell8020 Her Mom was jailed during the CPS investigation! Do you think that was warranted?
@@rebeccacampbell8020 EXACTLY!
Ironically, ketamine is regularly used in children for sedation in an ER setting. That was how my own kid was sedated for a fracture just this year. It’s been studied for this purpose and there’s quite a bit of research.
Now perhaps this wasn’t the case back then and I do understand that the concern was this child was being regularly given ketamine and in massive amounts. I just think it’s a bit misleading to say ketamine for children isn’t approved or safe when it is. It seems like the issue is the amount of the ketamine and that the parents were walking in with medical advice from another doctor that may have not been current.
Right. And it's used in childbirth or in general pain settings all of the time and has been since the 60s/70s. Regarding the dose, there are probably a million other drugs a MBP mother could've gotten FAR more easily than ketamine, that would've resulted in more deleterious effects that a MBP mom would want. No one can really speak to a chronic sufferer's dose when they have no clue the the pain, or their tolerance, or ability to ever feel it.
Too many ketamines
You said it right. For sedation. Not outpatient pain relief
@@glitter7777 I already covered that in my comment. He made a broad statement about ketamine not being safe or studied in children at all - when that isn’t the case. If he kept his argument to the amount of ketamine and it’s use for pain relief in kids then I would understand his argument and wouldn’t have found it misleading - and he made other arguments that felt deceptive as well.
@@skinsciencebymira that’s what expert witnesses are for. They held that kid hostage because they disagreed with somebody else’s medical opinion. That is what the real argument is.
That girl was in route of a fatal ketamine OD. The hospital saved her life. They made mistakes, many mistakes. But they did avoid a fatal OD of ketamine.
The reason why Maya's mother didn't want any other treatment done to her daughter was because she knew what was going on with her daughter.. I hope and pray The Kowalski's get what they deserve...
She thought she knew what was wrong. She was obviously wrong because Mya doesn't suffer from it anymore or use ketamine anymore. She is now probably pretending to win the lawsuit. She now walks, ice skates, dances and hasn't had drugs for pain in 2 years.
@@MyMomo17I don't know where you are coming up with this conclusion, it's just Not True. Go back, listen and pay attention! Maya specifically along with other's have told the courts under oath, she No longer does any of these things, that she once did. She still lives with pain and flare ups. In Maya's own word's, not something, "You" are making up. So stop with the crap and get real!!!
@@rebeccalasiter5429 My conclusion is based on watching the trial not a one sided documentary. Maya testified she is walking, scooba diving, ice skating, and hasn't had any pain meds for over four years.
Yes she said she has occasional flare ups but it can't be that bad if she only takes ibuprofen.
@@MyMomo17 excuse me, "You" are not Maya's body, therefore, you have no clue how she really feels inside, do you? Pure speculation!! Stop assuming!
Hunter so if she denies, you have no written consent for taking those pictures/videos and she refuses and screams head out that she doesn't want to be touched to take photos, you proceed and strip hey clothes by force and take the pictures? Standards of care baby
Did he start this out by saying now she’s relatively pain free. Did he not listen to her at all. She has bad days and better days. She by no means is pajn free.
I'm sorry, he is not wanting to say JOHNS HOPKINS FOR A REASON!! 💥😡 HE WANTS TO CALL THEM BY THEIR OTHER NAME BUT SORRY, THE NAME IS NOW KNOW AS JOHNS HOPKINS. PERIOD. WE'RE NOT STUPID LAWYER!!
Why do you contest CRPS now when you billed for CRPS?
Yikes! A very different story. They may be right.
We weren't wanting to wearhouse this child... that is what this man a lawyer said as the voice of the doctors, nurses and hospital as a whole in this case. Wow.
That hospital saved Maya from an overdose and harm from her mother. This sad all around and seems like a cash grab.
Amen. Netflix has poisoned people with bias brainwashing.
You'll do whatever you have to do to get your child pain free.
Maya was on “21 different medications” but almost all of them are supplements like Vitamin C and things like Tylenol or NSAIDs like toradol. He makes a big deal about clonidine which is mostly a blood pressure med but can be used for pain relief and sedation alongside other meds. While I think he has some valid points, there’s a lot of misleading language that immediately sets of red flags. Like acting like ketamine use isn’t common for kids when it actually is widely used.
Most likely only on a bp med because of the BP effects from ket. Like you say, it's a normal med. Defense is trying to take advantage of the layman's general medical ignorance.
I noticed that too!!! Half are vitamin and mineral supplements or OTC medications like Tylenol and melatonin! It’s such a shady, misleading tactic to do something like that!
They actually use clonidine to help with withdrawals...
@@kanaka- yes it has a number of off label uses in addition to BP 💗
@skinsciencebymira yes... I'm aware. I've been a nurse for quite awhile. My husband is an MD and is also an addictionologist. This clonidine most likely wasn't being used in a young girl to regulate her BP, especially while on UNHEARD OF doses of Ketamine. Doesn't take a lot of critical thinking to come up with why clonidine would be on that list.
John Hopkins, you should be ashamed of yourself What you did to this family, it's disgusting and disgraceful. This is what happens when you go against big corporations. And NO, I'm not related to Dr. Anthony Napolitano
Goodluck Maya & Family
Justice for beata 🙏🕊️🥀❤️
I'm glad I watched the Netflix special take care of Maya before watching the opening arguments of plaintiff and defense of the trial of Maya's Family suing the hospital that KIDNAPPED/HELD HOSTAGE/PHYSIOLOGICALLY TORTURED+ THE RESPONSIBILITY OF KILLING HER MOTHER. I just dislike him very much. How dare he say that BC they knew more about Maya & her health then her PARENTS!!!
So... a parent can take their child to the ER in severe pain, with a valid prescription and diagnosis by a lisenced, treating physician, and the ER can then make accusations without ANY evidence because they didnt like the parent's blunt demeanor and demands, and then strip all rights from the parents over... an opinion? That. Is. Terrifying.
Right!?
Exactly
Both sides are at fault.
My God, Oct. 11, the hospital was ready to transfer her to an outpatient pain management facility. The family would have been together, Maya would have been getting physical therapy, etc. Mother didn't want this. She wanted more ketamine, insertion of a pain catheter, etc. That's when the court ordered she not be released to the parents. It was the right thing to do.
Family says they wouldn’t sign the transfer papers because they saw the diagnoses conversion disorder and munchausen by proxy on the discharge papers and they refused to put their names on that. They didn’t want diagnoses they disagreed with following her around on her medical record. I can see this from both sides, the hospitals skepticism as well as the family’s displeasure with being labeled that way. It’s such a complicated matter. I don’t think the hospital had bad intentions initially but it got way out of hand with how the family was treated.
@@embeth446 Beata's combative nature caused the problem to escalate.
If they would have signed, the Munchausen by proxy diagnosis would have stayed in her records forever.
@@Estimator00 after watching the entire trial and seeing all the defense evidence I have changed my mind drastically on this case. I really see that the hospital had no choice but to intervene. This mom was heading down a very dark path, and Maya was so drug dependent at the point she came into that emergency room…It was completely unsustainable and out of control.
Go get them Maya!
Typical hospital lawyer. They enjoy belittling patients that complain. He argues about ketamine on a child yet they gave a young child prozac and a benzos. Ketamine infusions are high for Maya's pain level. It was just not being to exam her, it was being told no by a strong protective mother. Arrogance lead this ER doctors motivation to take this child away from her mother. This lawyer slandering a child for cursing medical staff is cruel. Like I said, hospital lawyers are passive aggressive bullies.
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This lawyer did a phenomenal job of clearly laying out the case for Hopkins’s defense. The mother was way out of line, and she wanted dope. Mega-dosing Ketamine doesn’t cure any illness at all; she may as well have been begging for OxyContin.
Is this Maya sitting there?
Yes
Yes
She looks so pale.
Lots of stress! When she hears this defense, she may wind up angry at her mom. 😢😢😢
Can you not clear your minds of being one sided? You can't wait to hear both sides? Imagine if those in charge had not reported this high dosage of meds this girl was being given and died. I guess you all think this family should sue that doc. Such a sue happy nation. This is a professional scam.
I encourage everyone to hear all the evidence.. this case takes so many twists and turns .. its wild. Glad maya is well now despite everything
She still suffers from pain and has had two relapses of CRPS.
1:01:55 When this child did not get immediately better when her mom was removed from her immediate area, why the Hell was the Munchausen by proxy diagnosis not removed?!? A mother can not poison her child when she is nowhere near her for several months!
It doesn’t have to be poisoning, she enabled a ketamine addiction which no one seems to understand that coming off is painful
The manchhauzen thing isn't that important people , listen.
@@chrisper5559Ketamine is not addictive. Opiates are and can have withdrawal symptoms, but ketamine is a different class of drugs altogether.
Could the mother have committed suicide because realized she got caught? Just a thought. I don’t think the truth will ever come out.
263,000,000 million reasons why hospital was held accountable. :)
First. Do no harm! Seems they failed at the 1st rule of the hippocratic oath.
Mother was the problem
Please God let this jury see thru these brilliant lawyers and get to the truth.
But the hospital called DCF and continued to do so along the way.
In the best interest of the child, consult all medical records concerning child #1, right?
After watching this trial JH did nothing wrong. They saved this girls life, her mother was mentally ill and I wonder now if the father is also. A very troubled family.
how can the mother force Maya to scream in pain while the mother is not around?
I think her lawyer just told her to stop looking like she believes the defense attorney !!! She even had a slight nod in agreement, watch the replay 25:15
Great to learn all these Medical knowledge. Sorry didn’t know those diagnosed came from Maya’s parents.
There is no defense for this debacle! It’s total malpractice. I hope this family is awarded multi-millions and then they go after every doctor & nurse individually with civil suits. 😡
I mean based on what? Because beata killed herself. She has to take responsibility for her own actions. Besides that how can you bring a child into a hospital demanding crazy amounts of a controlled substance but not even allow basic vital signs. Everybody so snowed by the Netflix documentary
When you have this disease there are few treatments that work. If ketamine was the only medication working, of course her mother is going to ask for it. The sooner you treat the pain, the better the outcome. And it is a severe disease. What the hospital did over those three month is battery, you do not touch a patient without permission, even a child. Look up the patient bill of rights. Especially with this disease. They are the ones who committed child abuse. Maybe Beata did not help the situation, but the hospital and CPS went over the top.
Malpractice at best! More like a "Kids for Cash" type swindle!
@@glitter7777Hospital personnel was more concerned with keeping the parents away from Maya, than educating themselves about her illness. They were virtually clueless and will never admit being negligent and jump to such drastic decisions!
@@9ladymar you can’t give a crazy amount of ketamine if it’s outside of standard of care and they won’t even allow vital signs to check blood pressure heart rate and o2 sats at least. Even if she didn’t have MBP she was making poor decisions related to her daughters care
Parent is "pushy" so we kidnap the child. Pigs.
The Jury is NOT the most important people here, Defense Attorney. The victims are. You just lost the jury.
Take a chill pill.
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You will slay these dragons Maya. Stay strong lovely girl. ❤
He said to the jury at the start that they are the most important people there….what about Maya? To me this proves that Maya band family do not matter.
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The council of the hospital declare vitamin supplements as medication at 1:11:37? NUTS!
I noticed that too!
Interested to know how much damage was done to her developing brain by those high doses of Ketamine. And how much more damage would have occurred if the hospital hadn't stopped it. Jus sayin..
The part where the hospital refused to allow Maya access to her religious practices or access to her lawyer is a HUGE violation of her constitutional rights.
Its funny... They blame Maya's doctor for not taking other doctors' opinions into account....but then Dr. Sally Smith outwardly said she didn't trust other doctors opinions.
Who believes they didn't threatened parents they couldn't leave without being arrested?
This hospital did this girl and her family so wrong.. and turns out they did the same to many other families who went to them for help and ended up in a fight for custody with DHS for no reason. If you haven't watched the documentary, you really need to.. I forget the doctors name but there was one main doctor involved in all of it and she deserves to burn in hell. Her ego and probably I believe some evil in her let this poor girl suffer for MONTHS and cost their family dearly. A price that can never be repaid. And then they kept pushing off the trial for years trying to weasel their way out of it. I don't pray but I am hoping beyond hope that Maya and her family get every dime they can from this horrible place and that horrible woman and may she never work in medicine or around children again.
Do you know why they aren’t suing that doctor herself? I don’t know much about the case yet.
She was poisoning her daughter the Dr did her job
@@Emjh56 They did sue her but from what I understand they just dropped her from the suit as she no longer works and there was some other reason that I can't recall atm.
Dr. Sally Smith.
I agree 💯. & It's disgusting to hear them try to justify their actions
Dr. Smith and Suncoast settled with the Kowalskies.
The mom was desperate to help her daughter! A mom will lose her mind if she can't help her child.
But if loosing her mind is indagering the child, the state should interfere. That's the issue.
You are Absolutely right @bonniehitchcock3191! This mother was an amazing mom and advocate. The hospital broke her. Any good mother understands.
Bruh. The mom was a selfish weirdo. She was craving ketamine more than I craved heroin when I was a junkie. Doping up your daughter and fighting the doctors that disagreed is psychotic. Netflix has poisoned your brain, homie.
If youre reading this and youre new to this story, and all you know is what this defense attorneys version of events is, then I emplore you to look at all sides. Bc this narrative hes spilling is pretty far from reality of the situation.
Want to know a secret... attorneys lie.
Esp defense ones. Esp big money ones trying to protect their huge client like JHACH.
If you look at the case as a whole, and hear all sides, it's clear that this Mom saw what worked for her child and wanted her child out of pain and knew how to get there. Is that so wrong of her?
Was she pushy and demanding? Yup.
Is it normal that hosp staff thought she maybe be abusive? Yup. Thats not the issue! The issue is once they knew that she was telling them the truth, they should have backed off the abuse claims. But they didnt bc they wanted to be right for whatever reason.
She was not being abusive. All she was doing was saying "hey this worked last time so can you do it so my kid can be pain free again?"
I can see why they initially reported her for suspicion of abuse, but once they knew she wasn't making this stuff up, they should have realized they were wrong.
Instead they doubled down on their wrongness! For MONTHS!
This attorneys version of events are VERY different from the REALITY of the situation. So take it with a grain of salt, as one should with most defense attonrneys. 😂
The hospital wasnt wrong for reporting their abuse suspicions. They WERE WRONG for not admitting they were wrong to begin with and making everyone suffer bc if it.
When you see the texts between staff and social worker, you see how evil these people were and how they let Maya sh*t on herself while trying to prove themselves to be right, and again they were wrong. What they did to Maya and her family is disgusting and that Kathy Beady lady is satan.