It's crazy how some of the white noise/filter sounds are weirdly snare-like, especially when they're being produced out of basically nothing. Fun stuff
Thanks SineHacker, we've tried to get the maximum from mixers with raw (no effects) feedback loops for this particular project. However we're not averse to effects, in fact the other day I tried no-input via autotune - bizarre! The KPmini does look great, price is good too...
Mainly depends on the mixer, sounds you've already figured the low frequency/bassy feedback will pulse, but I've only found a few mixers that don't default to speedcore 😄 the behringer 1604a is my drum machine of choice and has a good and unusual skill at making very slow pulses..
@@binarybotany3218I think there's a mark1 and mark 2 but they're the same internally, and the mark 1 just has slightly thinner knobs. Anything labelled 1604a should do the trick! Got similar results with a bigger behringer, 2442. Usually a good few on ebay at any one time :)
@@binarybotany3218 quite possible, I've generally found the cheaper mixers have more interesting feedback and probably cut corners/have more basic components in. Even with the channel high pass filter switched on, the 1604a makes some beats
Thanks, yeah that's right - really low frequency feedback making the rhythm. Feedback using prefade aux (aux 2) on a Behringer 1604 can go very low/slow and then that can be fed into other channels
@@closedcircuits wow so cool to know!!! Funnily enough I dont really tremendously dig this kind of stuff as a listener as a musician but as someone interested in experimental sounds and interested in circuitsthis is TOTALLY awesome to me. One day Id love to make a matrix mixer that can internally feed back ... For now at least Im goin gto try to look at the circuitry of these prefade aux/ this kind of mixer thanks for the response!!!
There are some tracks made with this setup on my album here - music.concretemoniker.co.uk/album/sleight-of-nand They are: Taking the Style out of Substance Absorption New Genres are not What They Used to Be Adsorbtion The other tracks use no-input mixer too but are multitracked/layered so not 'live' like this
Hey sorry for the late reply! Not sure why the label doesn't let you buy just digital tracks. If you let me know your email address somehow I can sort something out.
@@debnlinda this came out a couple of years ago fractalmeat.bandcamp.com/album/split-shapes-divisive-models Still got a bunch of tracks/another album to get out too..
wow, you have refined this a lot! I'm sure you've tried this already but I've been on a little sonic journey by adding effects pedals to the feedback loops, the KPmini is really cool!
Thank you. The beats come from low frequency feedback from the Behringer 1604 mixer - this particular mixer has a strange capability of making rhythms when a feedback loop with a large amount of bass is used. So not really sequencing - just interacting feedback, and only the mixers themselves are used to create the rhythms and sounds.
+TheJesterN the rhythms are quite unique to the Behringer 1604A I think. I've managed to get them on other mixers but the 1604 is a veritable drum machine. The routing here is just using plain jack cables, no effects. The actual aux setup is detailed a bit in the reply I just wrote to fayekhelmi above... For sync, if you can get one mixer creating a rhythm and one mixer creating a tone, try routing the rhythm mixer to a spare channel on the tonal one, and send a bit of the rhythm to the channel(s) creating the tone. Two or three mixers would be ideal I think....
wow wow wow, like a dubbed out Villalobos turned Japanese noise master - I love it !!!! did you ever find other mixers that can do the rhythmic stuff that you've achieved with the Behringer ???
Thankyou! I like Villalobos and Japanese noise too :) I think the Behringers are quite unique but the newer models are not so good for rhythm. I think cheaper components makes for more interesting potential... I managed to get some rhythm from a small Yamaha mixer (forgotten the model), and a little bit from a Soundcraft F1. But the 1604a is the most interesting I've tried!
care to share the types of mixers? or maybe the feedback loops how they are wired? I have a behringer 1002 mixer, could this be possible with just 1 standalone mixer or 2 mixers feeding into each other makes a big difference?
+fayekhelmi sorry for the delay, not logged in for an age. This vid uses two mixers, a Behringer 1604A mk1 (foreground) and a Behringer Eurodesk MX2442 (larger in background). The former has three feedback loops (one pre, two post, one of which is from the 'poor mans bus'/mute). The latter has four loops (two pre, two post). All loops are just straight cables, no fx. The 1604 goes into the mx2442 with master out. 1604 is the 'drum machine' creating a rhythm mainly using the pre-fade aux with gain approx 0.6 of the way, bass up full and high/mids right down (three band fixed eq). The rhythm is effectively modulating the mx2442 and having two separate mixers allows for control over how much effect the rhythm has without too much bleed. In my opinion this would be possible with one mixer alone but it would need to be quite big and have the ideal compromise between channel insulation and bleed (Behringers are particularly great for the latter as they have bad insulation, but getting separate things to happen at once in one mixer is harder). I've used the 1002 before I think or something similar, and they are quite hard to work with, but would be great with something else. I can't recommend the 1604 enough, particularly for rhythms, but you might find something unique, every mixer has its own weird quirks and personality.
+Joe Collins it can be tricky and might be a quirk of Behringer mixers, but it is done by setting bass up full, gain pretty full and mid/highs right down on a channel which is fed back on itself. You can also get some kind of rhythms with 'beating' with two channels close to each other in the feedback frequency and you hear the difference of the frequencies - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_%28acoustics%29
The 1604a is the only one actually creating a rhythm, and then an output of that feeds into a channel on the F1 to modulate the 'melodic' sounds on that mixer
I can't quite remember - it sounds like cheating with an lfo on the panned part after the mixer, though I don't remember that... Also it could possibly be from having two similar parts slightly out of phase and one modulated by another feedback component, that would be quite possible. I will have to dig out the original recording to check!
This is dope! Did you use a rhythmic gate, tape loop or something else? How did you get the feedback to loop at a BPM like that. I jam a lot with just EQs or 2 mixers but I always run that to a loop pedal. This is great! Cheers! p.s. this came to mind immediately: th-cam.com/video/6i9JoPSOTZA/w-d-xo.html
New no-input mixer techno release now out under the name Void Hands: fractalmeat.bandcamp.com/album/split-shapes-divisive-models
really great album))
It's crazy how some of the white noise/filter sounds are weirdly snare-like, especially when they're being produced out of basically nothing. Fun stuff
This is some tight minimal stuff right here. Class.
Unparalleled. If Black Dice were in a coffin, they’d be rolling in it.lolol. Fucking rad.
This sounds insanely similar to collider by Jon Hopkins
This is one synth away from an incarnation from James Holden's "The Idiots are Winning".
I love this session, I keep coming back to enjoy it.
Thanks SineHacker, we've tried to get the maximum from mixers with raw (no effects) feedback loops for this particular project. However we're not averse to effects, in fact the other day I tried no-input via autotune - bizarre! The KPmini does look great, price is good too...
I've autotuned my no input sessions just for making samples, then worked to make tracks with them, but what you do here with just mixers is insane.
@@inthefade Thanks, would be interested to hear what you've done if the tracks are online. Reminds me of having some fun with autotuning feedback :)
That's quite fantastic! Great job!
this is awesome! very impressive that u do all this with no input
Excellent work!! I like playing with fx based feedback, but this is some crazy other level shit - top marks!!
Yeah it's totally awesome.
Die Technik an sich ist mir schon seit Jahren bekannt aber ihr macht echt geilen Scheiß mit den Dingern ❤
wow! this is some trip.. amazing!
Wonderful
6 minutes and on is killer. When you think about it is more analog than analog synthesis in a way 😄
¡Muy buenísimo!!!
really great!
I like it ! also I have an Industrial Nosie project everything made from Linux/BSD.
This is awesome!
How do you get the pulse so slow? My pulses keep being speedcore.
Mainly depends on the mixer, sounds you've already figured the low frequency/bassy feedback will pulse, but I've only found a few mixers that don't default to speedcore 😄 the behringer 1604a is my drum machine of choice and has a good and unusual skill at making very slow pulses..
@@closedcircuits Thanks! I'm going to try to find a Behringer 1604a as well. Hope there's not too much difference beteen makes of the same model.
Maybe the Behringer doesn't have a cut off for inaudibly low frequencies and can therefore act more like an LFO?
@@binarybotany3218I think there's a mark1 and mark 2 but they're the same internally, and the mark 1 just has slightly thinner knobs. Anything labelled 1604a should do the trick! Got similar results with a bigger behringer, 2442. Usually a good few on ebay at any one time :)
@@binarybotany3218 quite possible, I've generally found the cheaper mixers have more interesting feedback and probably cut corners/have more basic components in. Even with the channel high pass filter switched on, the 1604a makes some beats
thats awesome.
what is guiding the rythm? Slow fedback waveforms as lfos essentially? Thx for your answer in advance this is righteous
Thanks, yeah that's right - really low frequency feedback making the rhythm. Feedback using prefade aux (aux 2) on a Behringer 1604 can go very low/slow and then that can be fed into other channels
@@closedcircuits wow so cool to know!!! Funnily enough I dont really tremendously dig this kind of stuff as a listener as a musician but as someone interested in experimental sounds and interested in circuitsthis is TOTALLY awesome to me. One day Id love to make a matrix mixer that can internally feed back ... For now at least Im goin gto try to look at the circuitry of these prefade aux/ this kind of mixer thanks for the response!!!
Hot damn
if you released an EP of tracks like this i would buy it
There are some tracks made with this setup on my album here - music.concretemoniker.co.uk/album/sleight-of-nand
They are:
Taking the Style out of Substance
Absorption
New Genres are not What They Used to Be
Adsorbtion
The other tracks use no-input mixer too but are multitracked/layered so not 'live' like this
had a listen, 'tis ace! any way i can get the album without buying the cd? happy to pay for a digital-only version.
Hey sorry for the late reply! Not sure why the label doesn't let you buy just digital tracks. If you let me know your email address somehow I can sort something out.
@@closedcircuits got a bandcamp yet?
@@debnlinda this came out a couple of years ago fractalmeat.bandcamp.com/album/split-shapes-divisive-models
Still got a bunch of tracks/another album to get out too..
insane
Awesome!!
wow, you have refined this a lot! I'm sure you've tried this already but I've been on a little sonic journey by adding effects pedals to the feedback loops, the KPmini is really cool!
wow. just wow.
ACE!
Some new stuff here using a video mixer too. Only took ten years to get round to that. th-cam.com/video/HtpWQ53DDeM/w-d-xo.html
what camera did you use to record the video?
It was a pretty terrible one actually. This was like ten years ago, it was a budget digital camcorder type thing
cara como q faz isso, coisa de doido
prática e paciência!
is there sequencing happening here?? rly gratifying music u r making in this way, the beat appears very preserved but very elastic obviously
Thank you. The beats come from low frequency feedback from the Behringer 1604 mixer - this particular mixer has a strange capability of making rhythms when a feedback loop with a large amount of bass is used. So not really sequencing - just interacting feedback, and only the mixers themselves are used to create the rhythms and sounds.
tried few times but I had always troubles getting rhythms out of my mixer, aso difficult to synchronize stuff.. what kind fo routing did you use?
+TheJesterN the rhythms are quite unique to the Behringer 1604A I think. I've managed to get them on other mixers but the 1604 is a veritable drum machine. The routing here is just using plain jack cables, no effects. The actual aux setup is detailed a bit in the reply I just wrote to fayekhelmi above... For sync, if you can get one mixer creating a rhythm and one mixer creating a tone, try routing the rhythm mixer to a spare channel on the tonal one, and send a bit of the rhythm to the channel(s) creating the tone. Two or three mixers would be ideal I think....
At least behringer mixers have a use for something 😂
wow wow wow, like a dubbed out Villalobos turned Japanese noise master - I love it !!!! did you ever find other mixers that can do the rhythmic stuff that you've achieved with the Behringer ???
Thankyou! I like Villalobos and Japanese noise too :) I think the Behringers are quite unique but the newer models are not so good for rhythm. I think cheaper components makes for more interesting potential... I managed to get some rhythm from a small Yamaha mixer (forgotten the model), and a little bit from a Soundcraft F1. But the 1604a is the most interesting I've tried!
@@closedcircuits thanks, that's very curious. I think I need to get one of those and try for myself, seems like a lot of fun!!
care to share the types of mixers? or maybe the feedback loops how they are wired? I have a behringer 1002 mixer, could this be possible with just 1 standalone mixer or 2 mixers feeding into each other makes a big difference?
+fayekhelmi sorry for the delay, not logged in for an age. This vid uses two mixers, a Behringer 1604A mk1 (foreground) and a Behringer Eurodesk MX2442 (larger in background). The former has three feedback loops (one pre, two post, one of which is from the 'poor mans bus'/mute). The latter has four loops (two pre, two post). All loops are just straight cables, no fx. The 1604 goes into the mx2442 with master out. 1604 is the 'drum machine' creating a rhythm mainly using the pre-fade aux with gain approx 0.6 of the way, bass up full and high/mids right down (three band fixed eq). The rhythm is effectively modulating the mx2442 and having two separate mixers allows for control over how much effect the rhythm has without too much bleed. In my opinion this would be possible with one mixer alone but it would need to be quite big and have the ideal compromise between channel insulation and bleed (Behringers are particularly great for the latter as they have bad insulation, but getting separate things to happen at once in one mixer is harder). I've used the 1002 before I think or something similar, and they are quite hard to work with, but would be great with something else. I can't recommend the 1604 enough, particularly for rhythms, but you might find something unique, every mixer has its own weird quirks and personality.
did you use any panning delay effects on this or just the pan knob on the mixer live?
It's all done live, no effects or automation
nice :)
Oh Shit !! this makes my Dog Dance
make a video
How are the rhythms even generated? Whenever I've made a feedback loop it just screeches!
+Joe Collins it can be tricky and might be a quirk of Behringer mixers, but it is done by setting bass up full, gain pretty full and mid/highs right down on a channel which is fed back on itself. You can also get some kind of rhythms with 'beating' with two channels close to each other in the feedback frequency and you hear the difference of the frequencies - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_%28acoustics%29
+closedcircuits (maybe ignore the equations on that page)
+closedcircuits Thanks for the info mate! Sick stuff
i love this about behringer mixers! i've got very cool flutter effects doing that
How did you sync the tempo of the two mixers?
The 1604a is the only one actually creating a rhythm, and then an output of that feeds into a channel on the F1 to modulate the 'melodic' sounds on that mixer
How do you modulate them?
how is the panning done?:)
I can't quite remember - it sounds like cheating with an lfo on the panned part after the mixer, though I don't remember that... Also it could possibly be from having two similar parts slightly out of phase and one modulated by another feedback component, that would be quite possible. I will have to dig out the original recording to check!
This is dope! Did you use a rhythmic gate, tape loop or something else? How did you get the feedback to loop at a BPM like that. I jam a lot with just EQs or 2 mixers but I always run that to a loop pedal.
This is great! Cheers!
p.s. this came to mind immediately: th-cam.com/video/6i9JoPSOTZA/w-d-xo.html
Never mind, I just found your comment below describing the setup. props
Panasonic)))
likey
Try to listen to this one at the same time: th-cam.com/video/qTi0hom6r44/w-d-xo.html
This made me physically ill
Awesome!!!