Transforming Noise Into Music | Jackson Jhin | TEDxUND
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- Deconstructing what it is that makes music music, Notre Dame student Jackson Jhin uses both sound and imagery to explore the delicate balance between predictability and variability that makes the human ear (and brain) interpret harmonies as appealing-and dissonance as noise.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
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3:09 - fucking 10/10 would go to a caveman rave
lel
funnymememeisterxXx hell yeah
genious
funnymememeisterxXx OMF YED
funnymememeisterxXx yes I would go to that.
Coconut Techno. My life is complete.
KarzenX I can die happy now
thats not techno but k
KarzenX i
R-E X yeah, it's a bit more on the tech house side, but please tell me you aren't one of those people that think techno is that upbeat, cheesy stuff
Auktum no, there is some smoother techno, different variations of Techno but this for sure is not it.
Yo that beat he threw with the sticks is awesome
Agree. That be went in!!!!
Beat*
Found it quite boring and obvious..
quinxx12 and that's fine. You're entitled to your own opinion
Ah comon! It really sounds like every fucking electro house track ever made and also like the stuff I played when I got a keyboard for my 11th birthday! xD Didn't know that my standards were that high, sry boiis.
Git gud
That sticks and coconut music is AWESOME.
Add some pots and pans for some metallic 'noise'.
you sir, need to try actual music
its a lot better
i think youll like it
Nah - Jim Halpert
this, only producers will understand. More people need to see Andrew Huang
@@somethingclever3714 theres no such thing as "actual music"
Hans Zimmer once said "I find immense beauty in the sound of the air conditioner clicking on"
Music is everywhere, and everything is music. I liked the alarm clock example. If we all learned to enjoy every sound we hear, maybe we'd all be happier lol
I was expecting actual noise music.
He was gonna play some grindcore but unfortunately his band didn't make it on time.. :/
I would like this comment but then it'd break the 420 likes
That would be a welcome twist
@@Michael-ez3kf he hasn't talked about noise lmao
Music is the balance between predictibility and variability that's a great quote
Jac im ur 200th like.
I read this as I heard t
Naw. It's not.
Jac should I say, music is the combination of sound and time?
This is not specific of music. It's what defines a message. For instance "aaaaaaaa" (predictibility) does not convey any information. Nor does "abrvcfetvwc" (full random). However, my message is a balance between the the two extremities (some regularities in alphabet, word and grammar rules). This is how we recognized a language in Maya script or in the Rosetta stone.
Alarm clocks with melodies are nice. It also helps to change the melody, so that the mind does not get used to one.
Half past two at night, I'm watching this and slowly falling asleep. And then I get to 7:25.
perfect
Omg it’s half two for me as I’m reading this lol
My boring evening made haha
Every single time I click on these Ted talks I expect to learn something... But so far I've only managed to improve my vocabulary a bit.
who else watched the whole thing waiting for something more interesting to happen.
LOL!
Nathaniel Alfaro exacly... I was like, my child had learned more interesting stuff...
Very creative way of speaking, made us watch a whole speech making us think it was going somewhere other than his opening statement
I think unpredictably boring about sums it up.
Indeed. I work a lot with various frequency filtered noise, not just to add on top of sounds but to also vary synthesizer parameters. I was hoping to get something out of it as there is actually a lot you can get out with real noise (not loops as he is describing), but alas no. I thought I might have been over critical of him, so I did a search to see if I could find any music he has composed. It doesn't seem like he is in music but business rather.
I find myself rating all my favorite bands on this spectrum. Its quite fascinating and insightful.
What I learned, Don't skip a song if you don't like it at first.
Mateusz Kubala true
Well, if it's REALLY obnoxious the first 10 seconds, I feel safe banning that song from my house without missing anything.
Capn, you will miss what happens in the 11th second. This is "something". Your statement is flawed.
Me when i hearf the spoopy thicc skeleton
Have u noticed that the songs that u like after listening it a few times becomes even more like-able than the ones v instantly like...
hey ever heard of andrew huang
hay!zey official yeah I had to double check the title of the video :D
hay!zey official me too
hay!zey official yup
I love him!
hes so dope
Good point at the end, but my philosophy is that everything is both music and noise. Everything can be used for music and for noise. It's just that people automatically call something noise when it sounds off to them, especially if all they listen to is predictable music.
Yeah like old people saying death metal is just noise
Exactly! Death Metal is just as music as avant-garde or pop or baroque-era music
kirbymario124 I feel the the equivalent of a virtuoso on a guitar is playing some crazy fast melody in a death metal song
Here's where I feel talent and being a virtuoso becomes known. The only two genres that we can consider top-tier and requires the most talent is Jazz (any kind) and Progressive Rock (or metal or any kind of progressive). These two push boundaries with every artist.
kirbymario124 Jazz is my favorite of the two genres you listed. I understand the talent that goes into playing Metal, or anything related but it's not a genre I'd listen to.
In terms of experimental music you can find both of these extreme. Drone is incredible predictable and rarely changes in meanful ways. Free jazz is some of the most chaotic music you will ever hear. A song can last 3 mimutes and change tempos 23 times and have 4 different time signatures
this inspired me to give a talk about cooking a potato
HAHAHAHAAAAAA
Fried or?
well that is talent. damn thing is hard to cook
that's a big ass coconut
Traumadd agreed
Traumadd phat
We have alotmof those where i live
meaning?
Traumadd LMAO every one else is saying things like “nice coconut music” but then I come across this.
Sounds are so much fun and cool !! The fact that we have senses, the FACT that we are able to hear vibrations. It’s amazing honestly.
3:49 - if it's not predictable, if you can't anticipate what's coming next, it's too chaotic.
Jazz: Am I a joke to you?
3:01 lol counterpoint is the study of the harmonic relationship between two melodic lines, you can't have counterpoint with only one line going
That beat was straight fire
you shed a beautiful light on understanding music. I'm a musician myself. thanks for this!!!:)
As I scroll through these comments, all I see are people that are completely missing the point. This entire talk isn't about "damn, he can make good music with coconuts!" It's actually about the reason why humans are able to interpret music from noise.
indeed
A 10 minute talk on why we like music without even touching on the fact that humans are biologically predisposed to be attracted to rhythm. Not just musical rhythm but rhythm period, such as the rocking of a rocking chair for example. That's why babies fall asleep to being rocked and cradled. That's why controlled, rhythmic breathing relaxes and calms us. And that's why we like music. Instead he went on about how we need a balance between predictability and variability in our music, which is misguided. He seems to have failed to step outside of our cultural constructs when thinking about this bc he never once touched on the fact that music that sounds unlistenable to a Frenchman might sound amazing to someone from Thailand for example. When removing all the cultural constructs from music, all it is is the use of sound for creative expression.
You are definately right about rhythm biologically apealing to us, but I do think you are being unfairly harsh on his presentation. It was short and didn't go into alot of detail, but the general point is still valid. In my opinion music does always try to find a balance between predictability and variability. The fact that we are culturally conditioned to find certain types of music more apealing than others does not disprove this statement. What you regard as predictable is based on the music you have heard before which is determind by your culture. That is the reason why somebody from France who is used to western music may find Indonesian Gamelan confusing or boring or both. I really enjoyed the TED talk. It definately didnt have all the answers, but at the very least it was thought provoking. Is that something we could agree on?
Roman G actually you all completely misunderstand what he meant by predictability in his presentation . By predictability he did not refer to the rythem of the music as most or rather should I say all song are either based on the *1-2-3-4* rythem or the *1-2-3* rythem by predictability he meant the chord progression of the song take *despacito* for an example it is based only on 4 chords for the whole song and most people especially those who are not musicians enjoy those kind of songs
So, on this island, we find a *kick*
sounds like this: *perfect kick*
"Pretty basic noise, not inherently musical or special"
We find a coconut and it sounds like this *plays an actual bass drum*
I thought he did a great job describing the true nature of music, without cluttering it up with extra stuff.
As such, I am more likely to absorb his point.
I find it to be a profound observation, well presented.
Also applies to life in general.
We thrive at the place, where we are most comfortable with, the balance of routine and challenge.
i honestly don’t understand why there are so many hate comments?? this guy made several good points and so what if it was slightly repetitive? he was talking to an audience that obviously didn’t know much about music so he was doing what he could to get the message to them in simple terms while still making it interesting
the fact that good music has predictability is so true! I can hum what comes next to a tune I've never heard before if I listen for a little bit
The coconut music was still using western theory.
lIlIlIlIlIlIlI lIlIlIlIlIlIlI Very inteligent comment dude
Which is why it objectively sounded good.
NitroNinja
A large point of his presentation is that it's not objective, never is because good is in the eye of the beholder.
Also, if someone put that on for more than a minute where I could hear it, I'd probably cut the power.
It's a joke, man. Lighten up. Besides, I've listen to some pretty repetitive music before. Maybe not this in particular, but it's good to listen to when you're focused on something else or working.
Literally everything in the West was copied from somewhere else. the pure west can be summarized to huts and cannibals praying for odin
People get impressed very easily
This is awesome and so true . . . I would add any of the songs to my playlist.
This video taught me that if you left click and hold the subtitles while dragging your mouse you can move them. Mind Blown!
So you saying that cave people might have known house music before it became mainstream?
Yes
Yeah dude...and they had tape recorder also...with JBL Bluetooth speakers..
But no instruments to play..sad life..
Well, music is eternal, cave men became humans!
who else like when he broke up the sample at 6:36. I found it intriguing.
Yeah, that sounded like it could be something really good, but he said it sucked
465marko it did kinda suck when he played it like that IMO, but he played it that way to make a point. he was pressing those buttons in a random order and not being precise about changing the sample on beat to demonstrate the problem with overdoing variability without structuring it.
But it didn't, he was still keeping it on rhythm (the triggering of each sample being the downbeat). The melodies and rhythms adopted a triplet feel, and it was all still tonally sound. It also wasn't a random order either. Followed a very real pattern. He could've made it much more Phillip Glass lol
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That beat @ 3:00 was DOPE!!
I wish it was an actual track
Gordon its not like they're are a thousand of copys of the same beat on the radio
this is why EDM is so awesome. it feeds and reaches back to a primal level, across the globe.
6:50 am i actually the only one who thinks, that this is awesome?? I mean .. dont get me wrong but if we cut down these 5 sequences to 4 and ad more clear cutting in it, that would be an awesome sounding Sample for e.g hip hop etc..
Really good! We transformed our dogs barking into a song! :D
crazy man u nailed it tbh
Thank you all very much
That intro statement applies to everything. Software and game dev as well.
I like this dude
daamn that coconut tune is so groovy that it's still stuck inside my head
Jhin? He will make this beautiful
I am one of the first to write midi and music tracks using the RSE engine from Guitar Pro 4, 5 and 6. Instead of just using the tool to learn songs I was able to make really cool riffs and music by using only my Ear cause I don't know how to write tab or music composition or read it all that well.
2:44 for the coco people like me lol
wtf?? idk what i gained from this lmao. i watched the whole thing too like i was about to learn something fantastical
this video makes it clear of how many music styles people are unaware and also scared to dwell into. I doubt any of the people in the audience has ever heard of "noise" (as a music genre) or breakcore yet alone to listen to these styles.
really simple explanation. whatever I know a lot about music making but like to listen such simple explanation
me : BANGING ON THE FRYING PAN
mum : WAT IS WITH ALL THOSE NOISES
me : this is music ..
He makes zero points in nearly 10 minutes of speaking. He should be our next President.
WRONG!
Trump 4 prez,vote him rn!
Well...Congratz! :D
actually, in 10 minutes, he explained the basic theories of how music works and what separates it from noise in words even a non-musician can understand.
Mishro, Zero? Really?? No, not really.
I can listen to ABSOLUTELY anything
I honestly didn't want this video to end.
(Shame about the dodgy audio mixing on this video.)
An interesting topic, and well-presented. The same principles are found throughout a lot of the arts. Writing for example (my field) has the idea of "the familiar and the strange," giving a simple story a little twist to make it into something completely new. The context is still understandable from the familiar side, but it's made new and interesting by the strange side.
Guys this is not like Ted talks but you have to give him credit, its a nice change of pace and is actually unique and clever
For me, there is no one thing that defines music, simply because there is no just one thing that music defiance. It is the only international language the breaches every single barrier on earth, and even breaches barriers between different species, almost every animal including us will respond to music, remarkably, will respond according to that tone of the music being played. For me I love singing, I’m not too bad, I’ve been in more than my fair share of choirs, I also play the trombone, trumpet, tuba, harpsichord, harp, piano and organ, not very well, because I am now almost 50 music class in high school was a long time ago, but the memories are still alive and will never die. Due to some serious health issues I have lost much of my memory, but strangely enough the only thing that I still remember everything about, is music. This is the one thing in this life that never ceases to amaze me, what other media do we have that can touch us emotionally, and so deeply, like music does? You could make us laugh, you can make us cry, you can re-Kendall feelings and emotions we haven’t felt for decades all with a few simple notes. It draws us together as one, any races all the false barriers that we ourselves but between one another. If only there were a way to let music rule the world, just imagine how beautiful everything could be?
i like a steady beat in the beginning and have it slowly raise up to a very strong climax
Him: What makes popular music popular?
Me, an intellectual: *ThE WoRd 'PoPuLAr'*
4:38 So Dream Theater - Dance of Eternity?
Honestly , You hurt my expectation but thank you for your efforts .
that sample chop of the classical piece is actually very good
Music is best defined as anything that is either intended to be perceived as music by its composer or anything that is perceived to be music by any listener.
Anything more specific than that and you begin to make subjective and limiting definitions of what music really is.
There's many different ways music can be used, it can be a form of entertainment, it can be a tool, it can be a weapon, it can be spiritual rite.
Music is not a universal language, it is very heavily dependent on its region, culture, intent and purpose.
The term "music" itself is considered a western term and can even be a limiting description of itself.
There's a few thousand dollars worth of Ethnomusicology you'll never need. Cheers.
Well said!!!
Theres still a science to it, something about the melody and rythm that just gets to our brains
That's why he said it was a spectrum...? Like that's his point, that was the point of the bell curve, to show where the majority of people sit. His point was that balance can help change noise to a song. The variance of the stick and cocoanut changed to be predictable and the predictable nature of the alarm shifted to have variance. He added that balance in both examples to show that without some element or the other it won't sound like music but he said people's preferences fall within that.
Roses are red
violets are blue
there's always an Asian
who's better than you.
StickySli wow clap clap so original
A Well Known Astronaut lol calm down dude
Ah sorry, my bad. I didn't realize you had minecraft in your name as well. By the way, how was the gay parade last week?
Also, no matter how Asian you are, there will always be an Asian more Asian than you.
Roses are red, A Well Known Astronaut is triggered, sorry for my comment, i cant find a rhyme
What a way to stretch out what could have been exlained in less than a minute, if not seconds
i learned more about music in this video than all the tutorials i have seen combined
do these people not know how music works??? they acted amazed by him putting a simple kick in?
exactly :))
Yes, there are people who don't know how that works or even how edm is made.
Yea everyone who is NOT a producer or knows how to play an instrument, would most likely not know.
did they record this video on a potato?
No. Your internet connection is a potato
snoozz336 your eyes are a potato
Thanks! I appreciate being the best vegetable in the world. :D
Nah, a sweet potato.
Awesomeness is served
He forgot about SOUL. Groove is in the heart.
WOW! he invented the wheel........
Fffffffaaaantastic
Google ad music needs in this
I found this very interesting. Amazing work Mr. Jhin
The guy is amazing, I really like him
I could just imagine a rave starting at a ted talk
I don't like criticizing the music of john cage in that way.
This is jugding without knowledge :
1/ He just play a few second of his music at 4:50,
2/ Then he puts a label "john cage = unpredictable"
3/ Then he put a judgement "unpredictable = prisonner in a cage"
BUT
If you know the composer :
1/ John cage composed A LOT OF music ALL THIS LIFE, this is not only few second, this is a long artistic way of life.
2/ John cage has a big musical universe, there is lot of pieces using rhythmic cycles and patterns (Amores, Sonata for prepared piano, in a landscape) (so they are predictable). He's inspired from Balinese gamelan sonorities, and Japanese Gagaku. This is a very reffined music whatever this guy says
3/ Pure unpredictability is never used in music even in radical atonal music like Boulez or Stockhausen, All the (good) composers play with expectation.
Please be clever and don't believe that "unpredictable" equals "John Cage's music" or any other composer
I add that musical taste is more than a graphic "Predictable-Variable" (5:06) The same person can like very predictable good music and very variable good music in a unbalanced way. The art is not a stupid axis, this is personalities and different universes, sometime easy access, sometimes more difficult to understand, sometimes simple, sometimes complex, sometimes popular, sometimes unknown, like people. And there is good and bad in all these categories...
Paul Szikora The only JohnCage I ever heard of was featured in Mortal Kombat. That had some memorable music in it as well.
this is the perfect example of talking without saying anything. ted x ladies and gentlemen
Reminds me the musical quality of DIdgeridoo. Similar theory could be applied to that Australian aboriginal instrument, just that the variation of pitches and tones is created by the musician himself not a synthesizer or electro music
This guy know what he's talking about :)
At least way better than many people in these comments.
And in that sense I mean they don't get the point he was trying to make. He wasn't trying to compose the best song on stage and he doesn't say the balance between chaos and predictability is the only factor to make a good song, it is, however, a factor that applies to every song there is.
You just maked a new music
ibrahim minhaal made*
Yt recommending this after 5 years in the corona pandemic
8:47 I really like the message, thanks.
now that was 9:29 mins of my life that i will never get back, thank you !
PqKiller25ToLife don't watch videos then.. If you don't want to risk on wasting your time..
Drowning Oreo thats not a very good advice! i watch videos hoping i get the WOW effect but it was a total failure on this one and a waste of time.
PqKiller25ToLife well I mean I said "if you don't want to risk it" there's a lot of useless videos that might waste your time
Drowning Oreo i kno its worth the risk cuz i get to watch some epic stuff mostly, but unfortunately not on this one
Okay let's end the conversation here now :)
Jhin the virtuoso
Shen Shen me too
Sam Kwok league of legends
Lol
Bless his soul, he was shaking awww
Great talk! It really makes sense what he says at the end.
I was expecting something really awesome.. awesome start with the coconuts. Then... meh
Complete Awsome Shit (Y)
these videos are brilliant first time I have came across them
Around 1977, I was a small child. I recall watching an after school children's special on TV where a few kids took some samples of noise around their large urban town. They combined it and made music. I want to say it was titled "take the midtown bus". On top of that, they used a computer to do it. Now that I look back, I realize those kids were WAY ahead of their time. I have looked for it, but I have never been able to find it. Ring any bells?
- food tastes good because you get nutrition's and minerals
- breathing fresh air feels good because you need oxygen for your respiration chain even though oxygen is a poison for cells.
- sex feels good because you need to reproduce before you die
- you get the hang of what i mean - live invented a lot of rewards for things you need to do to continue living .
- so what does music do ? why does it feel so good ? its just vibes ? everything has a vibe . maybe it synchronizes us ? not only in a social way but in a physical ?
lets transcend and become one being with one consciousness . its determinated by live anyway . we started probably as one cell that divided and evolved different with each of its new parts but we were one and we should probably become one again before we reproduce ourselves again . we were just gathering different information all the time . we invented the internet to connect again and share knowledge . can see you where this leads to ?
one of the attributes of live : emergence - larger entities arise through interactions among smaller or simpler entities such that the larger entities exhibit properties the smaller/simpler entities do not exhibit (#wiki)
....the code of the first cell is still somewhere hidden in us . we are still all the same. your children are basically you in an evolved form . try to watch humanity from the sight of that first cell . what have we become in 3 billion years ? religion is like antibodies hitting on the own body . ISIS is cancer and politic is self poisoning(at least partially) . we adapted so much to the environment that we forgot to adapt to ourselves . everything that is invented to work all time , ends where it started . circles are fundamental . just like electron paths . lets go back to the basics(become one being again by swarm think . let the internet become an intranet and grow further until we vanish back to nothing when the universe does close its circle .)
4:16 was sampled from Glass's Music In Twelve Parts, part 5 beginning and conclusion.
What he says here is wrong. It's not an hour and 8 minutes long, it's twenty two minuets long with lots of variation.
like what the first comment said, "complete utter shit"
He clearly knows next to nothing about Glass's music. Just another Glass hater. You should check out some of Glass's symphonies :)
annddd if you watched the next minute or so, he used an hour and 8 min to address the cactus one>
It's kind of an expression to emphasize his point.
He clearly knows next to nothing about music period
No ha dicho na!Qué fenómeno! habla sin decir nada!
2:50 For those of you who enjoy that sweet coconut beat. And also because other people don't put the timestamp in.
Im sorry to dissapoint, but it isnt actually the Transformers transforming noise into music, i know, its a shame :(
"almost everyone"?
who the hell didn't raise the hand when he asked if the beat sounded more musical then the coconut alone lmao
dem cavemen
I wish this was longer
I wish my money was longer :D
Thank You Jackson Jhin for this....Great Stuff !!!!
3:09 and that is how dubstep is made?
*House
Joshua Cailer and you are dumb?
kinda
Hahaahhahhaha
Where can I find this melody or the song or sample?
If he knows all the answers why isn't he writing music and selling millions of records?
corzakk zakkcor Because knowing things isn't what sells millions of records...except of course knowing how predictable and how easily malleable the masses are.
corzakk zakkcor I don't think he really is claiming to "know everything." Just the basics of how parts of music is defined and described. Also, he's generally noted as a pretty good teacher. But that's doesn't really translate into being marketable in popular music at all.
Because of an catch 22, to someone think "this song X is awesome, I will listen to this 5 times in a row", the guy need to first, discover that the song X exist. So, your song being great wont help people discover it, by the time they think "this song X is awesome", they already discovered it.
hes not kanye he doesnt have the answers
:D :D :D hahahhaha, my god, your question doesn't even deserve an answer
I clicked on this video randomly but it has ended up teaching me something really interesting
check out "Tools of the trade" by Fort Minor and you'll get what transforming noise into music is all about :) and beautifully done