Muse S vs Dreem 2 For Sleep (Which One to Buy?) The Result Will Surprise You
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, Dr. Cody compares the Muse S to the Dreem 2
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Cody Rall, M.D., is a United States Navy trained Psychiatrist who specializes in neurotechnology wearables. He is a co-founder of Stanford Brainstorm, the world’s first academic laboratory dedicated to transforming brain health through entrepreneurship.
Dr. Rall also served as a board member of the psychiatry innovation lab, an annual national competition at the American Psychiatric Association that works as an incubator for groups developing technological solutions to problems in mental health care. He is the founder of Techforpsych, a media and relations company that covers advancements in technology related to neuroscience.
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Thx for this❤️
Wonderful. Very much helped me decide 😊
Glad I could help!
Are you able to report on how accurate the Muse S is for all night sleep tracking vs a clinical EEG? Has there been any 3rd party testing?
Great overview, thanks!
Thanks Marat. Just FYI Muse S upgraded their devices to track through the night
Dr Rall, have you tried wearing the Dreem 2 and the Muse S at the same time to test the sleep tracking results side by side? Is it even possible to get good sensor placement with them both on at the same time? I have both. Is there a reason I've not tried this myself yet? :)
I used my new Muse S 2nd Gen for the first time last night and it was the best sleep I’ve had in ages. I was a previous Muse 2 meditation user. I was unsure about clunking down $400+ but it was worth it.
My Muse S battery purchased 5/2021 lasts quite well throughout an entire night. The only time I have had it quit before I woke up is when I failed to charge it fully before going to bed. That said, it does take at least 8 hours of recharge time so don't forget to plug it in when you wake up!
How accurate is the muse S at sleep tracking?
The affiliate link doesn’t work when shopping in Australian Muse store; can you pls help?
Muse just announced that the Muse S will do all night sleep-tracking effective 12/1/2020. I haven't tested it but I hate the US Dreem2 so much that I purchased a Muse S and am looking forward to seeing how it works for my needs.
Here is a link to the announcement. I think I will go with the Muse S too. www.prnewswire.com/in/news-releases/hack-your-brain-to-a-better-sleep-muse-s-introduces-lab-grade-sleep-tracking-and-brain-powered-sleep-insights-894089869.html
Yes! I saw that and will be testing that. I'm going to pin this comment to the top of the thread so that people are aware. I will need to do an update video already! This field is moving so fast.
Why do you hate it? Comfort?
@@CodyRallMD so knowing the muse will track data all night, would you now recommend that one hands down because of better comfort and the meditation aspect?
Please can you report on how accurate the Muse S is for overnight sleep tracking?
Which ones log data for analysis the best do you think? If someone is a victim of havana syndrome and rf neuroweapons which ones will detect the outside interference of synthetic neurosignals? Thanks, I'm sure that may be hard to believe but neuroweapons exist and will need to addressed in the future.
Where do you buy dreem 2? I did not see the product on their website.
Comfortability is not word, Medical Doctor.
How can BUY, Dreem 2? In the page, I cant see the buy botton. And other questions, I read that in USA dont have a deep sleep feature?
Great video, thank you! May I ask you if you have used an phone app like EMFDetector to see which one has a bigger EG field radiation? Thank you very much!
I did on my more recent video thanks!
Hi Cody, I’m surprised you didn’t mention what is probably the most interesting Dreem feature, its ability to detect when your brain gets out of deep sleep and stimulate it generating certain type of sound through bone conduction.
The Dreem 2 currently does not have that feature. They decided not to include it to meet FDA requirements. The bone conduction is still experimental. This is not anecdotal and comes directly from my conversations with the company.
Cody Rall MD with Techforpsych but it’s literally stated everywhere on their website 😳😮
@@CodyRallMD you are wrong. They don't have this feature for USA but for Canada and Europe countries , they have this feature that you can activate it from app
@@sshroot5565 Right, that's what I meant. For USA FDA. Sorry I wasn't more clear and thanks for the clarification.
I think we’re a long way off from digitally inducing sleep without effort from the user. It sounds more like a gimmick TBH, and I doubt it works well. I could be very wrong, however, and I’d be willing to say I’m wrong if I had some evidence.
Are you going to update this for the Muse S's all night sleep tracking released feature? It seems their website is positioning it for all night sleep tracking and competing directly against the dreem 2 now.
Yes and the Dreem 2 has not been selling direct to consumer for several months. Agreed, this video needs an update. Hoping to get one out soon. Thanks for the comment.
Does it just track your sleep? Or does it actually help you sleep? I'm an insomniac and not interested i n tracking my sleep. I'm interested in getting sleep. Is there a component of active sleep therapy?
Thanks for making this review video. I’m quite concerned with the use of Bluetooth, should I be worried about it?
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Hi guys. I have both too. Great devices. I was wondering if there is software program you can use to export your dreem2 data to so a clinician can analyse your sleeping pattern?. Thanks :)
As far as I know Dreem limits data export to their clinical and research customers, or possibly anybody that pays the very high price for that level of access.
Hello. You can try to ask them, they are very receptive and nice. Me, I havae asked about an application in order focus and train our brain. Unfortunelly no, but he sayed that he will speak about developpers. I think perhaps if you ask, they will do it after. Keep me in touch if they answer. Best regards
The Muse devices collect data in much more detail than is shown in the Muse app - if you sign up for their beta test program you can be emailed a much more complete sleep report each day showing many more sleep metrics including a more accurate polysomnogram, sleep spindle analysis and full EEG time-frequency graphs.
Thanks doc Rall for the enlightment i hve bought muse s then i saw this dreem 2 , for me its an overkill to buy dreem 2
Yes, probably
Can Muse S give the coherence of our brain wave?
Dr. Cody, you likely saw the announcement from Dreem earlier this month saying they will no longer sell consumer products; as you seem to suggest, and as I've experienced, the Muse S is terrible for true all-night sleep monitoring. I was diagnosed last year with severe CSA but due to the COVID pandemic it's nearly impossible to find quality sleep care (since it's apparently universally administered by pulmonology programs which remain overburdened by emergency care needs). Can you suggest any alternatives so people in my situation can at least try to collect data while sitting on waiting lists?
Hey, sorry to hear about your difficulties.
My Dreem2 just broke and I don't know if it can be fixed, so I'm looking for solutions like you.
How did you experience the MUSE as "terrible"? I was hoping it could replace my dreem.
I didn't know the dreem 2 was USD $499 , it retailed in the UK for £399 if I remember correctly ... They reduced it to £299 last year before they pulled the device out of the market. Glad I purchased it 2 weeks ago someone was selling one on eBay for £500 , got it for £370 in the end.
My dream 2 doesn't work anymore , doesn't connect to the phone .... The dreem company don't care they say they don't support it anymore. Its basically useless now ,it worked superbly when it worked ( only worked for a year ) it gave good deep sleep using the deep sleep stimulation and great info on my sleep metrics . Does the muse s do they same thing ?
Does the Muse s 2nd gen do all night monitoring?
Great comparison! I have both two: Muse S for naps & meditation vs Dreem 2 for full sleep. Have you heard of Beddr SleepTuner? It's not an EEG, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on it compared to Dreem 2 for sleep issues
P.S. I'm hoping to do your coaching program one day :)
Should be interesting to see my readings with cpap on vs no cpap
Yes! That's why I'm investigating these products. You end up getting anything?
Craps !
4:50 If I'm trying to use a Dreem 2 with a CPAP mask, it seems like a lot of loops above/around my head. The Muse S seems like a simpler headband and less likely to be caught with all the CPAP mask bands. Wait... Muse S doesn't last an entire night??? 😆
So 2 questions. 1.What is the best and most accurate sleep tracking EEG device that is affordable and available now that the Dream 2 is no longer an option? 2. Where can I still get a Dream 2 in New condition if that's even possible? Thanks All!
Muse S
Hi! What devices you can recommed for ADHD?
Muse s gen 2 is now out , new 2021 device
Yes! I am excited to try it
Seems cool but iam scared to be dependable on a device even for my sleep. What if I become addictive to it and then can't sleep without it, making my normal sleep without device almost impossible and then in long run making it hard to sleep even with device. What are your views. Please reply.
I use the Muse S for next-day sleep analysis and not for real-time sleep training, so there is no danger of becoming dependent on the device to get to sleep.
Hello Dr. Rall. Is it technically possible, that Muse S will be updated somehow and will collect the data through the whole night?
I'm really not sure. I think it is possible in theory but I wonder about the battery life.
Cody Rall MD with Techforpsych I have asked on the main forum and the S model has 10h battery life.
@@OlafKeller I think the new muse s gen 2 does all night 🌃 sleep tracking
@@tahirahmed33 Yes, It’s true. But for me it’s not possible to achieve. I sleep on the side and the band does not work good in this position when you press the device against the skull.
@@OlafKeller shame that dreem 2 is been discontinued, that is the device chronic insomniacs have been dreaming about !! Glad I purchased a refurbished dreem2 one on eBay few weeks ago,it don't come with docking station,I wish I could get that.
Which is better to enhance wet dreaming? I get wet dreams about once a month but I'd like to increase their frequency, and to combine them with lucid dreaming. A final goal is to increase output during a wet dream. My nocturnal emission is currently about 1 teaspoon according to my roommates, and I'd like to increase to 2 teaspoons. Which device would help me do that?
I have a similar request. I want to know if I can use this to detect if my bastard husband is cheating on me, specifically with my brother. Can I use this like a lie detector, especially when he's sleeping? Can I tell if he's excited when my brother is around?
Those are rookie numbers, you should be able to get up to a quart by using Muse S. Just make sure to wrap your bed in cellophane and drink a lot of high fructose corn sugar.
What device do you recommend for foreign language learning enhancement?
Flashcards
With Muse S you fall asleep before it syncs. I can only use it for meditation for anything else is horrible and the software is very limited and glitchy.
Does the Muse S have the Bluetooth cut off ability as well as the Dream?
No, it needs to maintain Bluetooth connectivity to your phone to track your brain activity. However, it is quite able to tolerate intermittent dropouts if you move outside of Bluetooth reception range during the night before coming back to sleep, and picks up tracking once you are in range again.
Check out Mendi fNIRS wearable. Just released on kickstart, looks like it can become the next big thing!
Will be reviewing it soon!
Whats special about Mendi that Muse S does not have?
Muse s have a guide to sleep Like a mind meditation? 🙏
It seems like Dreem got lobbied so clinicians can make more money. It really stinks because it was so great
i bought a new set, but unfortuantely the app could not connect to the dream server. the tech support person supported since 4 days ago when i reported the problem but didn't get the point and the problem remains the same😂
You bought the Dreem 2 and it would not connect to bluetooth?
@@CodyRallMD thank you for asking. it's true. it's the app that could not connect to the dreem server, so i have never used the newly bought dreem 2 once😂 the dreem tech support suggested to me to use a vpn. i tried two vpn's, but neither solved the problem. btw my phone has never had problem connecting via 4g or WiFi or using vpn's.
Thanks gor this reviewing. Dreem 2 has sonometer sensor what is this used for?
I read that the sonometer sensor is for future ability to track snoring.
@@LittleFullLotaSap thanks for this info
I would love to see these devices integrate with a nasal cannula and bluetooth chest strap. We'd have a polysomnograph without that mess of wires.
Are these reliable for tracking REM sleep?
Dreem 2 will
It's probably a good test to test the Fitbit inspire 2 and the dreem 2 at the same time and compare the results !
Muse s should put another battery in back to balance it out and double battery life
Yes, not a bad idea!
Do you think Muse S will ever track a whole night of sleep?
I dont think so mate, the device is too small and wont have enough battery capacity to record a full nights sleep. I may be wrong but just a thought. The dreem.has quite a big battery in comparison
It does. I have recently purchased one for that purpose. The battery holds 9 hours if you use it with Mind Monitor.
@@BrightSideFX That's great, thank you!
BrightSideFX Hi. Are you referring to the Muse or to the Dreem?
comfortability? you mean... comfort?
Hi Dr. Rall! I have one question. Does the Muse headband help with ADHD?
Yes meditation and neurofeedback will help with ADHD. But it depends on how much effort you are willing to put in
Thanks, you can make it shorter though :)
no
You're mistaken when you said the Muse S doesn't track one's sleep throughout the night. It does, but unfortunately not when the app is put in the background.
Yes they updated the software after I put this video out, thanks for following Robert
@@CodyRallMD Are you saying that the app continues to run when in the background?
Can using EEG every night cause brain cancer?
I have not seen any evidence for that
No comparison of accuracy? Seriously?
I want to know if I can use this to detect if my bastard husband is cheating on me, specifically with my brother. Can I use this like a lie detector, especially when he's sleeping? Can I tell if he's excited when my brother is around?
Yes that sounds perfectly reasonable, good luck
@@CodyRallMD Are you kidding? Please tell me that was sarcasm.
Sounds like you should use something more traditional, like a knife or anvil
Muse vendor disliked this video :)))
anddd it's not available to consumers anymore.
Yes well it definitely is an advantage clinically
Comfterability
You know it ;)
Dreem 3 should be sell again for ordinary people. Stop sell it was a disgusting decision
Yes, lots of demand for it.
The result was not surprising.
Glad you had it figured out!
Which medical school gave you a degree?
A sexy one.
Thanks for your music John. Surprised you don't have more subscribers!
Muse reviews are utterly appauling.
Muse S seems worthless and Dream 2 is no longer for sale to the public.
Shame,as I would buy a dream 2