16:13 "Oh they just repaved this!!!!" The most midwestern reaction ever. The joy you experience when you get on a rare smooth road is hard to describe. If you're from MN, WI, MI etc - you know what I'm talking about.
I own a MK8 GTI, and actually don’t mind the interface in it. Wireless CarPlay is seamless, I have auto cooled/heated seats that turn on according to the outside temperature. To change fan speed I use the voice control, and there are quick access keys I have to quickly shut off auto start/stop, traction control, etc. If you’re a techy guy you’ll enjoy it.
The mk8 works great but you have to break from traditions for stuff like the hvac. The auto hvac stuff works fantastic, it's basically set and forget besides minor temp adjustments, which are very easy with the sliders. I am someone that generally always finds fault with auto hvac, but I never mess with fan speed, defrost (there are buttons for this), heat to cool season, whatever - it get's it right 99% of the time. Any time I feel slightly off it's just a click or two on the slider to adjust the auto temp and let it control what needs to be done . I do go to the menu to turn it off/on for windows down time. This is three clicks total round trip and not a huge issue. I go to the menu to adjust the rear seat third climate zone for the kids. That's it. Seat heat and cool works very well by setting your preferences for outside temp. Or use two fingers on the temp slider to activate seat heat and it works just as easy to scroll through the three settings just as you would have with the old button. The HVAC on 8y Audis are the same. The auto HVAC works so well that you forget what buttons are which from not using them frequently enough and even though they are very high quality buttons they are harder to navigate when you are not familiar with them because they are down low on the dash. The Golf makes you click to one of four menus for deeper functions which is a compromise, but it pays off by then putting all that info in the same familiar spot, high on the dash. The volume slider is also very easy to use on the dash. Is not a knob, but it's just as easy and responsive. It's not backlit at night, which is a reasonable complaint, but not nearly as bad as it might seem because the sliders are in such an obvious spot that you absolutely don't need to look at them once you have used them a few times. The volume slider on the steering wheel is better than buttons and probably on par to the Audi steering wheel volume knob. It's sensitivity isn't perfect, but it is super satisfying to use in practice.
I would consider the Civic "lightly modified" considering you have: Integra Dampers More Camber in the Front Upgraded Rear Engine Mount Drop-in Air Filter Upgraded Brake Pads
@@alexhamto3236just bc someone owns a car and have slight criticism doesn’t mean he’s biased 😂😂😂 But then again he drove hundreds of cars and choose Type R over Golf for a reason
R FTW and that’s coming from someone who owns one . Couldn’t be happier in all areas 👍🏻👊🏻 I must say that blue on the Golf R is absolutely beautiful !! 💯
1:56 My favorite feature in my CX-30 has got to be all the physical buttons and (somewhat controversially) NO TOUCHSCREEN. Control knob for the infotainment means you don't need to reach out for a touchscreen and it's placed high on the dash where you can see it, and physical illuminated buttons for climate, wipers, headlights, cameras, etc. Love it.
I think the fact that the CTR’s back seats are a totally different color than the front ones is a bigger deal than fact that vw cheaped out on the back seat door cards
Am I the only one that isn't a fan of the 3 exhaust tips on the civic? I like 2 on each side, even 1 on each side. Not a fan of having them in the middle
Knew a buddy that owned one ( stock from 65,000 km) and it had over 14k in maintenance in less than two years. They just do not hold up as much as the Honda Rs
@@-__-____-hdjaklaI’ve had no problems on my 2018 gti that I bought brand new. Car is now hybrid turbo making 550whp. I have put 10k into the car since buying it brand new. That includes mods, maintenance, everything. Not to mention 6k of that is into my hybrid turbo setup. That’s 4k in maintenance over the past 6 years. Fcp euro helps out a lot with lifetime warranty on parts like rotors, oil changes, and more. Car now has 80k miles and is running great. Always surprises V8’s and actually pulls on the few stock pulley boosted S550’s I have raced. Hellcats aren’t even a problem for the car as my 60-130 is high 6’s.
I’ve owned the 2024 Golf R since January & I really like the infotainment/Haptic Touch buttons. After one sets up a few shortcuts and sets up their Apple play…everything is a breeze. I think the only people that seem to not like it are car journalists that don’t spend any time in the car🤷🏻♂️
Incorrect. I’ve read two reports by established journalists and both of them had nothing but issues with the Golf infotainment system. I’m also in a Golf R forum and a number of 8 R owners have rejected their cars due to quality and reliability issues.
@@user-xh3wr1do7k the ones who haven't won't be making posts about it. survivor bias. the parts on a plane that are reported to shot the most aren't the concern. The ones that were hit in the critical areas didn't survive to report where they were shot. angry people are the most motivated to comment on their bad experience. happy customers are far less so motivated. everyone else who is satisfied is also very unlikely. personally i think all cars have too many buttons on the steering wheel for my preference. i just want 2 buttons on the left and two on the right that are configurable. i would love that.
20:45 one cool benefit of an APR tune is the oil temps stay cooler. Stock, 215F to 225F is the average oil temp when cruising. But with an APR tune oil temps are a more reasonable 195F to 210F even in stop and go 95F heat. It was an unexpected benefit I immediately noticed and great because you don't heat soak the iron block so easily in the summer.
The only thing Golf R is better at is a DCT option- that thing is a masterpiece! Manual Golf R just makes no sense, because if you want a hot hatch with a manual- there is only a CTR!
@@rinodoog it definitely is except for the AWD. The symmetrical awd, I would say, is better than the Haldex in the R, but the R is by far a better car. A tier above the WRX for sure.
Keep in mind that the Golf that you have is a pre-facelift Golf. They fixed pretty much all issues that you adressed. Including backlit climate controls on the front, physical buttons on the steering wheel and a much more user-friendly infotainment system.
type r is more fun JDM car where golf R is a s3 hatchback. In Canada type R is still marked up as crazy but you can get golf R under MSRP since there are a shit ton
My FL5 is the 1st car ever that i'll actually be keeping. in my 22 years driving, ive always traded for something different every 3-4 years. Not this one. This car is special. Never getting rid of it
The Golf R is substantially faster than the Civic R in both 0-60 time and 1/4 mile. The Civic R looks like something a 16 year old kid would drive. The Golf R is looks appropriate for any driver. The Golf R is a comfortable daily driver with functional amenities (ie adaptive cruise control). Honda brakes always heat soak and get spongy. The normal retail for both are basically the same. Young drivers want a standard shift. After building enough cars, you know that a well designed performance/racing transmission will always out perform the standard shift. The guest host made the comment that the Golf R was a good starter performance car. To me, it seemed like he was referring to young adults. What kinda normal kids can afford a car that costs between $45-50k? I'm a 37 year old man living in Ohio. I have never even considered a Civic R because they look ridiculous,don't perform well for the price, and are neither comfortable or practical for commuting to work.
Having owned my MK8R for almost 2 years the no backlit lights for the volume and climate controls have never been an issue. There is quick touch functions that you don't ever have to use them. This just comes down to learning the interface and how to use it intuitively. Most complaints is equivalent to someone switching from android to apple then complaining it doesn't function the same without learning or spending time with the new interface. And to turn off traction control put it the quick settings slide down takes 1 second to change 🤦♂️
its an economy car, you dont "learn" the interior of a car that you drive to work in. this stuff has been fine for 40 years without VW"s tampering of simple controls.
@@ShaiyanHossain somewhat agree but within the first day of driving all the controls was second nature. Also a golf r is far from an "economy" car a performance hatch
@@ruki9043 performance hatch that'll still based on an economy car (its just a faster golf as the type r is a faster civic) and meant to be driven everyday lmao.
@@ShaiyanHossainjust because something is different doesn't make it wrong or mean the old way it better. the whole unit itself is actually very intuitive and easy to use, like any new technology it's new it required a change of habit and it's so customisable and has heaps of simple short cuts. Like I said within a day I was already so used to the controls and now owning the car for as long as I have I don't want to go back to the old system or buttons. It's actually quite nice and functional
@@ruki9043 other companies figured out how to make an easy to use touchscreen WITHOUT using dumb touch based controls for media and HVAC. VW missed the memo
Golf R for the win, but i agree about the interior. The gti autobahn has a better interior than the R. I just recently sat in both. Loved the autobahn seats. It would have also been nice to see thoughts from the other guy who owns the golf r and a drive review. I think this video is very one-sided and possibly biased.
I have test driven both cars. If I were 10 years younger, I would defiantly get the Civic Type-R. But I'm not, and I love my Golf R. I got the DSG because I drive in a lot of traffic. Both great cars in my opinion.
Both are great at what they do. If I could have two cars, I'd have the Type R as a toy. Since I can only have one, I have a DSG Golf R. Great for commuting in traffic and comfortable for the family, but stupid quick and entertaining on a curvy road by myself.
This is not a current pov. Makers like honda and toyota used to be bulletproof. I don’t think they have the advantage they used to have. For the CTR it had cooling and shift linkage problems that dogged it for a couple years. You also heard Topher diagnose and cure his infotainment. That isn’t something that a car maker can brag about.
I love how you compare a ff to an AWD... there's so much difference between them. Yes the r is always going to feel different because you only deal with two wheel power and two extra shafts...that's apples to oranges...it always amazes me at how you try to compare something that makes similar power but yet total difference in drive train. Plus a liftback vs a hatchback.. difference in aerodynamics..
The type r is on a different level. What’s so hard to understand about that? The manual is trash in the golf. I would get Dsg all day. Not everyone cares about going fast in a straight line…
@@pilotvanquish3886 If you think the 8 R is only fast in a straight line i've got some official laptimes for you (like Hockenheim and Nurburgring, where the R is insanely close with much worse less stickier rubber). That's not even talking about what happens as soon as it rains or snows, in which case your FWD turd might as well stay on the driveway as its not putting it's power down any time soon.
The infotaiment 'issues' are extremely blown out. I daily drive my MK8 GTI 45+ miles everyday for work and the system has been incredibly easy and responsive to use. In no way did I ever feel as though the system was dangerous to the point I didn't even listen to music. In fact, adjustments to fan speed and music should only be made when stationary and never whilst moving in traffic. Love your reviews, but I felt your comments towards the interior of the MK8 R were extremely exaggerated.
@@Naah732 to clarify, I meant that the system isn't cumbersome to use. But regardless of how difficult/easy something is to use, you shouldn't take your eyes off the road whilst driving for non important adjustments like changing a track.
Spinning a fan speed dial and changing tracks with a button press doesn't require you to take your eyes off the road to begin with. Everything being in the screen does. Immediately the Golf loses hard on that and there's no arguing against it.
@@ElliWoelfin You do know you can change tracks on steering wheel? That's literally safer and faster than any button near infotainment. Also you should not mess with AC while driving, just as you would not mess with navigation while in busy fast traffic. Not sure how people can't spot the difference. You can easily wait to adjust AC when it's safer, and if you need to demist windows (which is actually important to do fast), you can use buttons on left which are one-click, non-infotainment.
@@ElliWoelfin I agree that the CTR has the overall easier system. I guess then for the MK8 R / GTI you do just have to adopt a new habit of making adjustments when stopped due to the screen. That would've been a better comment to make rather than just immediately dismissing it as dangerous and not worth driving/using the car.
Ok, I don’t know why this only happened just now, but I’ve been watching your videos with headphones for years and this was the first time that any guest you had in the video sounded like they were sitting right next to me talking. Way to freaking me out 😂
I almost didn't buy a Mk8 R because of all the bad reviews about the infotainment system, but I'm glad I went and got one anyway because it isn't anywhere near as bad as what people say. The climate system is annoying, the rest of it is good. Bloody good car to daily drive.
Easy. If you have snow and you want comfort… Golf R. + the DCT is very nice and faster. No snow.. and track.. type r. I prefer the golf. 🤟 Love my blue mk8R 2024.
Great video!! I've been struggling with this as a 2024 Type R and Mk7 GTI-S owner in thinking I should have bought the Golf R. Better size, the DSG is quicker, better materials, paint, sound deadening and even the base GTI stereo is better IMO than the Honda. Maybe the Mk8 has cheapened up since then? I do love the more old school muscle car feel from the Type R though ... sort of raw and more mechanical... and the seats feel great! The reason I went with the Honda (based on a past RSX type S) is because I'm hoping I'll have fewer problems with it? The VW seems to be a car you'll just have to eventually wrench on. Time will tell. Thanks for the video.
The CTR is the way to go if it’s not your daily, for me anyhow. I too have bonded with mine and think it’s just one of those cars that can pull on the heart strings. The Golf R isn’t really capable of that … it’s just not nearly as engaging, similar to the RS3. Something about the VW and Audi that doesn’t connect on the same level as the CTR.
@@ShaiyanHossain same here … just pointing out and emphasizing that the Golf R is the better daily all rounder. It’s 4 wheel drive will suit people that live in the north east much better the the CTR. So, yes, CTR can daily but if you need something as a one and done … get the R.
Yep things like driving position, pedal and steering feel and great steering geometry are always overlooked on German cars it seems. Golf r is still great but real enthusiasts pick the ctr
LOL you can just use the swipe down menu to turn off ESC. Also you didn't trigger the voice assistant through the steering wheel, you said "Volkswagen". It's voice activated. And there in lies the problem with all Golf R reviews. Not excusing some of the design/software choices (Non-illuminated volume controls makes no sense) but it seems reviewers are so ready to post reviews that something being different is marked down where, as with everything, you learn how to use things and get used to it. You could argue you shouldn't have to "get used to" these things but living with a car is different than driving it for a few hours for a review. I mean this from a user experience standpoint. I'm sure you're spot-on from a drivability standpoint in this and your other Golf R videos. I'm a filthy casual MK8 DSG owner hahaha
@@richurro20 Yeah i had to turn this shit off after that lmao. What a hyperbolic statement. Skill issue tbh, if you can't operate a touch screen for .5 secs while you drive
My choice: Honda Civic 11 type R without any doubt. What a car, just perfection! The VW is too ordinary and is not an engineer's car, its engine does not have the musicality of the Honda's.
Around 15:50 you didn't actually hit the voice control button. You said "Volkswagen" and it heard "hello Volkswagen", which is the trigger word for voice controls. You can turn that off but it's on by default.
Being in Canada, I went with a manual Golf R for the AWD. A couple of other differences that I can recall when shopping both, the Golf R comes with less aggressive tires which I appreciate, 245 35R 19 vs 265 30R 19 for the CTR. Also, the fuel tank is slight bigger on the Golf which is nice. In the end, you can't go wrong with either.
Also in Canada. I went searching for a new DD as I moved to somewhere I'd need a newer vehicle since I'll be doing much more driving. The CTR is also more expensive, and virtually impossible to find new, same as the GR Corolla. So instead I got a 2024 DSG Golf R off the lot for below MSRP. I went shopping for a new CTR but couldn't find it, and ended up with the Golf R because I like AWD. I also don't reaaaallly like the boy-racer midlife-crisis look of the CTR (if I wanna give off that vibe I'll pull out my 1999 Evo VI) and the VW has far more creature comforts for a DD. Owned it for a month now and couldn't be happier.
there is one thing missing from the gti/R that i think would greatly improve it as a daily with a manual. auto rev match. its fantastic in the type r. that being said, id go the R. heated/ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, memory seats, rear AC vents, rear outboard heated seats.
How about comparing the Civic Type R to your E39 M5? Only because I own the E39 M5 and am interested in the type R. Might be fun to see a 20 year old BMW against a new hot hatch.
@@89dungey Surely the reliability of the 2024 Golf R can only be judged in 2039, just as the 2009 models (either GTI/R32 or Civic Si/Type R) are judged for how well they have held up in 2024 as just-run-in 15 year old cars? 🙂
I have a 2013vw Jetta 1.8t n that thing has been super reliable. At 150k miles n only thing I need to do is chain n tensioner. Which is super expensive but car hasn’t needed anything but brakes n tires.
I sold and owned all types of Golfs/Rabbits and Civics. Now retired, for me it's Civic reliability over VW, who in the years after "Dieselgate" haven't gotten their act together. So for now, Honda Civic.
35:47 As a MK8 owner I agree with this. Being a Toronto resident, I went with the Golf because of the AWD for winter and discount we get on MSRP in Canada (converts to around 40k USD). Although the Golf does check most of the boxes for me and is a great daily, I do find myself longing for the “specialness” of the Type R despite it not being as good in winter. Maybe i’ll trade for one once the the mark ups on the Type R come down to earth in my area!
I almost inquired about a golf r, I read last night the 2025 model is getting a facelift. Still hate the touch sensetive buttons and hiding all the controls in the screen. Anyone getting the facelift or keeping their current golf for now?
@@layne4376 the civic still has normal buttons not some dumb tech bro haptics. VW isn't using normal buttons and switches still because haptics are cheaper lol
I wish the Type R would have an AWD version or maybe even an AWD-Hybrid version similar to the new M5 Sedan. Considering how Honda right now has one of the best hybrid technology in the market I think it is doable!
As an mk8 owner I laugh when people give the usual propaganda about the interior. Are physical buttons better? Yes. Does not having physical buttons deter from the owning experience? It makes absolutely 0.001% difference when you own the car. You learn the interface and where to press. Not really that difficult, but I understand we live in a day where it’s cool to spew the usual verbiage.
Completely off topic but i got my old Raptor back. I wasn't able to find an affordable RRaptor in my area and cant travel for it so i was looking at what's in my area that's pre-owned just to get back into another one and i seent my old 2019 F150 Raptor (Big Red). I verified the vin from the website and was there 5 minutes before they opened and i got my baby back. So now I'm the 2nd and 4th owner of the truck lol. The previous guy didnt take as much care of it as i do but the parts that are meh now are all parts i plan on swapping eventually anyways (like scratches on the plastic parts of the steering wheel. I plan on getting a carbon fiber steering wheel.) Still runs great, no issues, all the electronics work. I'm so stoaked. My next purchase now that I'm back in a Raptor is a Type-R. Obviously I'm years away from that but i still LOVE the Type-R platform.
Golf R without DSG isn't worth it. If you want a manual you may as well get a GTI. Golf R with a DSG destroy a Civic R. The only thing (4dr compact) better is an RS3 but it's also way more money.
Any idea of difference in interior cabin road noise? Sounds like the Type R is much louder in your video. Any chance you have a decibel reading? Awesome video!
"the golf has a sunroof which could leak, this will not" That is like saying The R has a/c and power windows which could break, this does not. I passed on the first Golf R without a sunroof and waited 2 more months to get one with a sunroof. Who buys a car in this price range without a sunroof???
rev hang has killed most new manuals for me and I have never been able to get a definitive answer as to what causes it but I imagine its emissions related
After a month, the touch controls are second nature. The only complaint that remains for me is the lack of lighting on the controls directly under the screen.
Im surprised of the amount of people saying the Type R can't keep up with the Golf R yet it has faster lap times. Type R is an engineering marvel while being incredibly practical, far superior seats, better stereo and one of the best manual transmissions ever. Golf R is for people that already want a Golf R. Oh and the Type R looks 10,000X better. Ya'll are crazy. Woopty do if it has AWD. Doesn't mean much if it doesn't translate on the track...
Pretty biased but I think the CTR does have an edge on the MK8R on stock conditions. However, I think the MK8R on stage 1 is a way better car than a stage 1 CTR. Golf will always hook no matter what conditions it’s in and wont have that annoying wheel hop that the CTRs have. All the infotainment complaints are subjective. I do have an MK8R and besides the air vent speed I don’t really interact with the screen. Its perfectly fine and since i have a 24 the legginess is pretty much gone. They are both amazing vehicles and nobody cant take that away from them 👍🏽
Fl5 way more engaging car to drive. For non enthusiasts like yourself who speak in ‘stages’ I guess things like driving position, feebsck and tactility aren’t an issue but real enthusiasts always pick type r over golf r. Every generation that is
Wild to me how much people give the Type R a pass. Topher, how exactly does the Civic Type R not fall apart when pushed if you had to install the Integra Type S suspension module and enter the button-combo 'service' mode to fully disable ESC?
How does the clutch pedal feel? I have a MK8 GTI and feel a vibration/ rubbing when engaging the pedal. I've never felt that before with a manual transmission. After 30-40mins of city driving the pedal starts making squeaking noises. Vw has not been able to fix it.
I feel the same on my MK8 GTI the clutch pedal definitely doesn't go in smoothly nor does the shifter wiggle left and right smoothly they both kind of feel catchy or sticky but it doesn't really bother me. And I don't know about the pedal making speaking noises can you go into more detail of what that means
I have an mk8 GtI 380 s and I’m thinking of trading it in for a type R or wait until December and try to get into a golf R. I love the GtI but It does the same thing with the clutch pedal and I don’t like it. It also is super jumpy when I got from 1st to 2nd gear. No matter how smooth I shift it still jerks and It’s annoying
I normally agree with you, but you're also being dramatic about the infotainment. If you set up the screen right for example you can adjust the fan speed with one tap. Easy. Is it perfect? Oh heck no, but also it's not as terrible as many have made it out to be. Yes.. I do own one. The CTR is a great car won't take anything away from that. All comes down to tastes in driving and what people are looking for in tech and overall driving experience.
you shouldnt have to "set up" infotainment to use the AC. this was never an issue on the Mk7.5, but it now is on the mk8. Why? because VW cut costs and played with people's safety in the pursuit of profits. I get in my FL5 and I don't have tp "set up" anything to use the fan controls.
Test drove both and I wanted to love the Type R but I was really disappointed, it just felt so numb. I typically drive older cars (pre-2000) and there is just no comparison. For that reason I'd go Golf R; it isnt trying to be engaging its just a good fast daily. So while the CTR has more feel and fizz than the Golf R it is still no where near a 90's Honda.
Both great cars but if I had to pick one at my current age, it have to be the Golf R due to the fact I can wears suit or just a more mature look and still fit with the Golf R, while the Civic seems like you’re still going through a mid life crisis and looking for a fast and furious car club. The red interior I’m not personally a fan of. Wish you could get it with an all black interior maybe it would change my mind on it.
Golf R, if only for the AWD. On the same tires these things run nearly identical lap times around a track, as demonstrated by Savageese. Also if you want less fake engine noises put the exhaust in ‘Pure’ mode.
Out of curiosity because Im kind of lost on this one with the infotainment system: So I also do own an FL5 Type R and I tried turning off the cars GPS to free up some RAM, as you say. For me the issue here is, it breaks the GPS completely....even while Im using Android Auto, which SHOULD use the GPS of my Phone. When I try to enter a destination, it just doesn't stay. Basically it just forgets I entered a destination BUT I can still physically see the GPS knowing where I currently am, so it does show my current location but weirdly enough its not able to guide me anymore with the cars internal GPS turned off...
@@GalliardRex weird. On my a spec integra+note 20 ultra i never had issues with wired android auto. Only with wireless. Maybe its your cable instead? If its not connected/sending power+receiving data to the phone its probably using wireless which is more error prone, just hunch. Or maybe its an update that messes with it :/
@@ShaiyanHossain Seems like that actually did the job! I completely forgot wireless auto is not available by default (you had to manually turn it on in the infotainments OS). I believe its because wireless AA is not fully fleshed out and thus turned off when its in factory settings.
AWD is just superior, thats all there is to it. and I love hondas. The moment you turn both cars up, the honda will fall behind because all of the tricks designed in, are useless with more power. Btw I owned an FK8... it was fantastic with a couple bolt ons, but once i really turned it up... it was a mess.
“That’s all there is to it” - except that’s not true at all when you look at things like lap times, driving feel etc. AWD can be helpful, but it’s a tool and just a part of what makes a car the sum of its parts.
But why turn it up? The Civic Type R TCR race car is only 350hp (certainly not more than 400hp) and it's plenty quick? TCRs (including the Audi S3 that is front wheel drive since AWD is not allowed) already do about the same laptimes as GT4 cars that have about 50% more power.
@thetopher I love the specialness of the CTR and almost everything about it vs Golf R, but I found myself cringing a bit with the sound/appearance of understeer through those roundabouts (where the Golf gripped and rocketed out). In those particular moments, did you like how the Golf felt more?
17:30....actually, they should have made the Integra Type S with SH-AWD and a moonroof; that would be a direct competitor to the R. Granted, it would probably wind up priced the same as a TLX Type S and about 10k+ over the R. #ugh (sidenote: for those who'll rag about SH-AWD/moonroof compromising the ITS: you have the CTR if you want that stripped down version for performance.)
Non sense It will - cost more -> additional diff, transfer case, driveshaft, moonroof, etc - weight more -> AWD makes it heavier - handle worse -> moonroof raises center of gravity Just like the TLX-S Im glad they bring the same CTR formula over with a few xtras.
@@Marbind My local Acura store has 5 of them sitting on their lot for weeks already. Per an SA I'm friends with at the same store: there's ZERO interest in them. People will take a hit in performance if there's some utility in return. Also, the TLX (Type S or not) is a bloated luxobarge NOT a dedicated sports sedan. Most TLX buyers are well aware of that. (I should know.)
@@MidnightAspec car sales are stuck everywhere. There are more brand new 24' Civic Type Rs stocked in Honda lots than new 24' ITS. Average Joe is the kind of person that takes the hit. People that really know about the topic are well aware of the pros/cons of having those added stuff. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
I’d go with the R
Which one?
ehhhhh I like the R more
@@ralphgoodwin1079 i like the R more personally
Thats the joke😅, but I'd definitely go with the R@@friznutzs
Bold decision
16:13 "Oh they just repaved this!!!!" The most midwestern reaction ever. The joy you experience when you get on a rare smooth road is hard to describe. If you're from MN, WI, MI etc - you know what I'm talking about.
Also in PA. I feel your pain. We have primitive roads.
yea but you only have the first five days before the trucks put it back to the shitty state that they are normally in
same with MA
In Ohio to
It's funny how people think certain things only pertain to their area of the country. 😂
tough choice but Id take the R 100%
Nah, the R is better.
@@JameRica-t8r I doubt it, the R is faster and handles better.
@@koaladoeseverything ARRRRRRRGGGGHHH 🏴☠
I own a MK8 GTI, and actually don’t mind the interface in it. Wireless CarPlay is seamless, I have auto cooled/heated seats that turn on according to the outside temperature. To change fan speed I use the voice control, and there are quick access keys I have to quickly shut off auto start/stop, traction control, etc. If you’re a techy guy you’ll enjoy it.
The mk8 works great but you have to break from traditions for stuff like the hvac. The auto hvac stuff works fantastic, it's basically set and forget besides minor temp adjustments, which are very easy with the sliders. I am someone that generally always finds fault with auto hvac, but I never mess with fan speed, defrost (there are buttons for this), heat to cool season, whatever - it get's it right 99% of the time. Any time I feel slightly off it's just a click or two on the slider to adjust the auto temp and let it control what needs to be done . I do go to the menu to turn it off/on for windows down time. This is three clicks total round trip and not a huge issue. I go to the menu to adjust the rear seat third climate zone for the kids. That's it.
Seat heat and cool works very well by setting your preferences for outside temp. Or use two fingers on the temp slider to activate seat heat and it works just as easy to scroll through the three settings just as you would have with the old button.
The HVAC on 8y Audis are the same. The auto HVAC works so well that you forget what buttons are which from not using them frequently enough and even though they are very high quality buttons they are harder to navigate when you are not familiar with them because they are down low on the dash. The Golf makes you click to one of four menus for deeper functions which is a compromise, but it pays off by then putting all that info in the same familiar spot, high on the dash.
The volume slider is also very easy to use on the dash. Is not a knob, but it's just as easy and responsive. It's not backlit at night, which is a reasonable complaint, but not nearly as bad as it might seem because the sliders are in such an obvious spot that you absolutely don't need to look at them once you have used them a few times. The volume slider on the steering wheel is better than buttons and probably on par to the Audi steering wheel volume knob. It's sensitivity isn't perfect, but it is super satisfying to use in practice.
I would consider the Civic "lightly modified" considering you have:
Integra Dampers
More Camber in the Front
Upgraded Rear Engine Mount
Drop-in Air Filter
Upgraded Brake Pads
That rear engine mount is worth 4-5 tenths minimum of stock alone. ;) night and day difference for the civic
@@chriszaiserI put one on my Integra-S
Wheel hop is completely gone.
NVH is a bit annoying but I can live with it.
Facts hes biased
@@alexhamto3236just bc someone owns a car and have slight criticism doesn’t mean he’s biased 😂😂😂
But then again he drove hundreds of cars and choose Type R over Golf for a reason
@@30hours51so true … how many people can say they have that kind of seat time, to make the most informed decision.
R FTW and that’s coming from someone who owns one .
Couldn’t be happier in all areas 👍🏻👊🏻
I must say that blue on the Golf R is absolutely beautiful !! 💯
1:56 My favorite feature in my CX-30 has got to be all the physical buttons and (somewhat controversially) NO TOUCHSCREEN. Control knob for the infotainment means you don't need to reach out for a touchscreen and it's placed high on the dash where you can see it, and physical illuminated buttons for climate, wipers, headlights, cameras, etc. Love it.
I bought a 2024 typeR after I sold my 2021 Supra premium. Supra drew much more attention but TypeR is a real bad ass!!!!
Attention, like in a train wreck way.
Huge downgrade from the Supra, sorry to say.
I vote for Gold R. Even thought I love the civic too but I feel i like more understated design and extra comfort in the R
The Civic's wing is hideous, only a 13 year-old boy would find it cool
@@lptomtom it screams I want to race you on the highway :D
@@lptomtomwtf it looks so cool?
@@lptomtom I’m 37 and I think it looks great. It’s cool if you like boring cars but calling it “hideous” is pretty wild
Golf R is pretty damn ugly imo
I own the previous generation Golf R and CTR - very different. Golf DCT an awesome daily while the Type R fulfills my backroad/track days.
I think the fact that the CTR’s back seats are a totally different color than the front ones is a bigger deal than fact that vw cheaped out on the back seat door cards
Am I the only one that isn't a fan of the 3 exhaust tips on the civic? I like 2 on each side, even 1 on each side. Not a fan of having them in the middle
whats the problem with someting different? i mean, i dont think u want your car to look exactly like every other car.
Golf R for me. Then some basic bolt ons and a tune for 470 HP and 430 lbft.
Yea engine responds well w mod
Knew a buddy that owned one ( stock from 65,000 km) and it had over 14k in maintenance in less than two years. They just do not hold up as much as the Honda Rs
@@-__-____-hdjakla Ive had zero problems, also there is a 4 year warranty on new vehicles powertrain
@@ryanhill8567 Yeah but not tuned
@@-__-____-hdjaklaI’ve had no problems on my 2018 gti that I bought brand new. Car is now hybrid turbo making 550whp. I have put 10k into the car since buying it brand new. That includes mods, maintenance, everything. Not to mention 6k of that is into my hybrid turbo setup. That’s 4k in maintenance over the past 6 years. Fcp euro helps out a lot with lifetime warranty on parts like rotors, oil changes, and more. Car now has 80k miles and is running great. Always surprises V8’s and actually pulls on the few stock pulley boosted S550’s I have raced. Hellcats aren’t even a problem for the car as my 60-130 is high 6’s.
I'd go with the R for the interior and uniqueness.
I’ve owned the 2024 Golf R since January & I really like the infotainment/Haptic Touch buttons. After one sets up a few shortcuts and sets up their Apple play…everything is a breeze. I think the only people that seem to not like it are car journalists that don’t spend any time in the car🤷🏻♂️
Incorrect. I’ve read two reports by established journalists and both of them had nothing but issues with the Golf infotainment system. I’m also in a Golf R forum and a number of 8 R owners have rejected their cars due to quality and reliability issues.
@@user-xh3wr1do7k the ones who haven't won't be making posts about it. survivor bias. the parts on a plane that are reported to shot the most aren't the concern. The ones that were hit in the critical areas didn't survive to report where they were shot. angry people are the most motivated to comment on their bad experience. happy customers are far less so motivated. everyone else who is satisfied is also very unlikely. personally i think all cars have too many buttons on the steering wheel for my preference. i just want 2 buttons on the left and two on the right that are configurable. i would love that.
Most forums are fun but also a cesspool that amplifies any issues a car has (regardless of how likely or rare the problems tend to occur)
I'll take both. These are both great cars.
20:45 one cool benefit of an APR tune is the oil temps stay cooler. Stock, 215F to 225F is the average oil temp when cruising. But with an APR tune oil temps are a more reasonable 195F to 210F even in stop and go 95F heat. It was an unexpected benefit I immediately noticed and great because you don't heat soak the iron block so easily in the summer.
I have a Golf R 2019 stage 2 450 HP, insane no comparaison with these two !
I am having a blast making crazy power on my modded 2017 DSG R and so fun to drive...
Yh the civic is clear better
I had to make this choice and I chose the CTR the cab is wider and longer than the golf it's very comfortable with 4 adults and extremely fun to drive
16:20 I love Topher casually talking about limits while sending them into a curve @ 60 MPH. So great.
The only thing Golf R is better at is a DCT option- that thing is a masterpiece! Manual Golf R just makes no sense, because if you want a hot hatch with a manual- there is only a CTR!
yea if it was a DCT it would smoke the type R... but thats not exactly apples to apples..
comfort … and Awd. If you live in a place with a lot of snow… easy choice.
Love my mk8 R.
@@rinodoog as you should. It’s an amazing car and value imo. Looking to upgrade to one from my WRX someday
@@WRXFan I had 4 wrx before my R.. wrx are fun but i have to admit… the R is better in every way.
@@rinodoog it definitely is except for the AWD. The symmetrical awd, I would say, is better than the Haldex in the R, but the R is by far a better car. A tier above the WRX for sure.
Keep in mind that the Golf that you have is a pre-facelift Golf. They fixed pretty much all issues that you adressed. Including backlit climate controls on the front, physical buttons on the steering wheel and a much more user-friendly infotainment system.
Und trotzdem schrott bleibt schrott 😂
What year did they fix all that
But now no manual 😢
I've had a GTI and an R.
Hard to beat all wheel drive.
type r is more fun JDM car where golf R is a s3 hatchback.
In Canada type R is still marked up as crazy but you can get golf R under MSRP since there are a shit ton
My FL5 is the 1st car ever that i'll actually be keeping. in my 22 years driving, ive always traded for something different every 3-4 years. Not this one. This car is special. Never getting rid of it
It so interesting hearing all the different takes on the VW infotainment. I fall in the “I dig it!” category. Not love but also not hate!
We have 2022 S3 and a 2023 Golf R. Most of the time, I enjoy our S3 more. It is an awesome car and very comfortable.
Hey, the rear seats don’t match the front seats in the Type R. 😂
@36:15 thumbs up for bluntly saying what others don't have the guts to do. In my case it is a deal breaker for the Honda, unfortunately.
The Golf R is substantially faster than the Civic R in both 0-60 time and 1/4 mile. The Civic R looks like something a 16 year old kid would drive. The Golf R is looks appropriate for any driver. The Golf R is a comfortable daily driver with functional amenities (ie adaptive cruise control). Honda brakes always heat soak and get spongy. The normal retail for both are basically the same. Young drivers want a standard shift. After building enough cars, you know that a well designed performance/racing transmission will always out perform the standard shift. The guest host made the comment that the Golf R was a good starter performance car. To me, it seemed like he was referring to young adults. What kinda normal kids can afford a car that costs between $45-50k? I'm a 37 year old man living in Ohio. I have never even considered a Civic R because they look ridiculous,don't perform well for the price, and are neither comfortable or practical for commuting to work.
Having owned my MK8R for almost 2 years the no backlit lights for the volume and climate controls have never been an issue. There is quick touch functions that you don't ever have to use them. This just comes down to learning the interface and how to use it intuitively. Most complaints is equivalent to someone switching from android to apple then complaining it doesn't function the same without learning or spending time with the new interface. And to turn off traction control put it the quick settings slide down takes 1 second to change 🤦♂️
its an economy car, you dont "learn" the interior of a car that you drive to work in. this stuff has been fine for 40 years without VW"s tampering of simple controls.
@@ShaiyanHossain somewhat agree but within the first day of driving all the controls was second nature. Also a golf r is far from an "economy" car a performance hatch
@@ruki9043 performance hatch that'll still based on an economy car (its just a faster golf as the type r is a faster civic) and meant to be driven everyday lmao.
@@ShaiyanHossainjust because something is different doesn't make it wrong or mean the old way it better. the whole unit itself is actually very intuitive and easy to use, like any new technology it's new it required a change of habit and it's so customisable and has heaps of simple short cuts. Like I said within a day I was already so used to the controls and now owning the car for as long as I have I don't want to go back to the old system or buttons. It's actually quite nice and functional
@@ruki9043 other companies figured out how to make an easy to use touchscreen WITHOUT using dumb touch based controls for media and HVAC. VW missed the memo
Golf R for the win, but i agree about the interior. The gti autobahn has a better interior than the R. I just recently sat in both. Loved the autobahn seats. It would have also been nice to see thoughts from the other guy who owns the golf r and a drive review. I think this video is very one-sided and possibly biased.
How is the GTI Autobahn interior different/better than Golf R? Is it not carry over and black/blue vs Red/black/gray?
Biased review because he owns the Honda. That car looks like a boyhood racer not premium 😂
The Golf is not bad, but driving the Civic Type R is an unparalleled pleasure!!!😉
@ginobona7380 Until you start modding for more power and realize that front wheel drive is an absolutely terrible platform.
@@steve8803- there are some FWD GTI'S making some insane power though....
@@RDriver2.0 You can make more power but it's useless if you can't put it down properly.
Just got a new white R. Love it.
I have test driven both cars. If I were 10 years younger, I would defiantly get the Civic Type-R. But I'm not, and I love my Golf R. I got the DSG because I drive in a lot of traffic. Both great cars in my opinion.
Both are great at what they do. If I could have two cars, I'd have the Type R as a toy. Since I can only have one, I have a DSG Golf R. Great for commuting in traffic and comfortable for the family, but stupid quick and entertaining on a curvy road by myself.
Honda: works well for a long time
VW: works well when it's actually working
This is not a current pov. Makers like honda and toyota used to be bulletproof. I don’t think they have the advantage they used to have. For the CTR it had cooling and shift linkage problems that dogged it for a couple years. You also heard Topher diagnose and cure his infotainment. That isn’t something that a car maker can brag about.
@stms4411 definitely true BUT the thing is...VW is still trash. 😂
The DSG R makes a great DD. And lol, you're practically in my backyard.
same, i drive those roads all the time.
I love how you compare a ff to an AWD... there's so much difference between them. Yes the r is always going to feel different because you only deal with two wheel power and two extra shafts...that's apples to oranges...it always amazes me at how you try to compare something that makes similar power but yet total difference in drive train. Plus a liftback vs a hatchback.. difference in aerodynamics..
Biased review... and very critical of the Golf R, and this coming from a Honda guy. Almost felt like you guys were making fun of it.
It’s in the title…
The type r is on a different level. What’s so hard to understand about that? The manual is trash in the golf. I would get Dsg all day.
Not everyone cares about going fast in a straight line…
@@pilotvanquish3886 If you think the 8 R is only fast in a straight line i've got some official laptimes for you (like Hockenheim and Nurburgring, where the R is insanely close with much worse less stickier rubber). That's not even talking about what happens as soon as it rains or snows, in which case your FWD turd might as well stay on the driveway as its not putting it's power down any time soon.
@@ZenzDeluxe avg. type r fl5 owner when they go to the track
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Every journalist says the same thing about vw
The infotaiment 'issues' are extremely blown out. I daily drive my MK8 GTI 45+ miles everyday for work and the system has been incredibly easy and responsive to use. In no way did I ever feel as though the system was dangerous to the point I didn't even listen to music. In fact, adjustments to fan speed and music should only be made when stationary and never whilst moving in traffic. Love your reviews, but I felt your comments towards the interior of the MK8 R were extremely exaggerated.
"adjustments to fan speed and music should be made when stationary" and "incredibly easy and responsive to use " don't go along well at all
@@Naah732 to clarify, I meant that the system isn't cumbersome to use. But regardless of how difficult/easy something is to use, you shouldn't take your eyes off the road whilst driving for non important adjustments like changing a track.
Spinning a fan speed dial and changing tracks with a button press doesn't require you to take your eyes off the road to begin with. Everything being in the screen does. Immediately the Golf loses hard on that and there's no arguing against it.
@@ElliWoelfin You do know you can change tracks on steering wheel? That's literally safer and faster than any button near infotainment. Also you should not mess with AC while driving, just as you would not mess with navigation while in busy fast traffic. Not sure how people can't spot the difference. You can easily wait to adjust AC when it's safer, and if you need to demist windows (which is actually important to do fast), you can use buttons on left which are one-click, non-infotainment.
@@ElliWoelfin I agree that the CTR has the overall easier system. I guess then for the MK8 R / GTI you do just have to adopt a new habit of making adjustments when stopped due to the screen. That would've been a better comment to make rather than just immediately dismissing it as dangerous and not worth driving/using the car.
I have a 2022 s3 (love it) and wish I had the room I had in my 2012 gti. Gonna be looking at 2024 golf r and civic type r.
Ok, I don’t know why this only happened just now, but I’ve been watching your videos with headphones for years and this was the first time that any guest you had in the video sounded like they were sitting right next to me talking.
Way to freaking me out 😂
Boyth great car brands there own style love it thankyou for sharing with us💪😎
I almost didn't buy a Mk8 R because of all the bad reviews about the infotainment system, but I'm glad I went and got one anyway because it isn't anywhere near as bad as what people say. The climate system is annoying, the rest of it is good. Bloody good car to daily drive.
How is comfort mode on the 19s on cratered filled roads?
@@jasperalberts7647 Roads are pretty good in Australia, so very comfortable.
The Type R is such a beautiful machine.
Easy.
If you have snow and you want comfort… Golf R.
+ the DCT is very nice and faster.
No snow.. and track.. type r.
I prefer the golf. 🤟
Love my blue mk8R 2024.
Great video!! I've been struggling with this as a 2024 Type R and Mk7 GTI-S owner in thinking I should have bought the Golf R. Better size, the DSG is quicker, better materials, paint, sound deadening and even the base GTI stereo is better IMO than the Honda. Maybe the Mk8 has cheapened up since then? I do love the more old school muscle car feel from the Type R though ... sort of raw and more mechanical... and the seats feel great! The reason I went with the Honda (based on a past RSX type S) is because I'm hoping I'll have fewer problems with it? The VW seems to be a car you'll just have to eventually wrench on. Time will tell. Thanks for the video.
The CTR is the way to go if it’s not your daily, for me anyhow. I too have bonded with mine and think it’s just one of those cars that can pull on the heart strings. The Golf R isn’t really capable of that … it’s just not nearly as engaging, similar to the RS3. Something about the VW and Audi that doesn’t connect on the same level as the CTR.
i daily the fl5 no issue
@@ShaiyanHossain same here … just pointing out and emphasizing that the Golf R is the better daily all rounder. It’s 4 wheel drive will suit people that live in the north east much better the the CTR. So, yes, CTR can daily but if you need something as a one and done … get the R.
Yep things like driving position, pedal and steering feel and great steering geometry are always overlooked on German cars it seems. Golf r is still great but real enthusiasts pick the ctr
LOL you can just use the swipe down menu to turn off ESC. Also you didn't trigger the voice assistant through the steering wheel, you said "Volkswagen". It's voice activated. And there in lies the problem with all Golf R reviews. Not excusing some of the design/software choices (Non-illuminated volume controls makes no sense) but it seems reviewers are so ready to post reviews that something being different is marked down where, as with everything, you learn how to use things and get used to it. You could argue you shouldn't have to "get used to" these things but living with a car is different than driving it for a few hours for a review. I mean this from a user experience standpoint. I'm sure you're spot-on from a drivability standpoint in this and your other Golf R videos. I'm a filthy casual MK8 DSG owner hahaha
bro really said he feels like hes going to die using the infotainment center while driving...😂😂
@@richurro20so wild
DSG is God's transmission
@@richurro20 Yeah i had to turn this shit off after that lmao. What a hyperbolic statement. Skill issue tbh, if you can't operate a touch screen for .5 secs while you drive
or you could just design an interior the right the first time
i shouldn't have to "get used" to a commuter car interior
My choice: Honda Civic 11 type R without any doubt. What a car, just perfection! The VW is too ordinary and is not an engineer's car, its engine does not have the musicality of the Honda's.
I test driven both i like the golf more its awd and it has dsg more fun for me
Around 15:50 you didn't actually hit the voice control button. You said "Volkswagen" and it heard "hello Volkswagen", which is the trigger word for voice controls. You can turn that off but it's on by default.
Being in Canada, I went with a manual Golf R for the AWD. A couple of other differences that I can recall when shopping both, the Golf R comes with less aggressive tires which I appreciate, 245 35R 19 vs 265 30R 19 for the CTR. Also, the fuel tank is slight bigger on the Golf which is nice. In the end, you can't go wrong with either.
Also in Canada. I went searching for a new DD as I moved to somewhere I'd need a newer vehicle since I'll be doing much more driving. The CTR is also more expensive, and virtually impossible to find new, same as the GR Corolla.
So instead I got a 2024 DSG Golf R off the lot for below MSRP. I went shopping for a new CTR but couldn't find it, and ended up with the Golf R because I like AWD.
I also don't reaaaallly like the boy-racer midlife-crisis look of the CTR (if I wanna give off that vibe I'll pull out my 1999 Evo VI) and the VW has far more creature comforts for a DD.
Owned it for a month now and couldn't be happier.
As the owner of both cars, I still take Golf R
I wish you could get a Type R without the goofy red seats
Interested to see what you will think of the 25 Golf R interior. It looks quite a bit nicer from what I have seen in videos compared to the 24.
there is one thing missing from the gti/R that i think would greatly improve it as a daily with a manual. auto rev match. its fantastic in the type r. that being said, id go the R. heated/ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, memory seats, rear AC vents, rear outboard heated seats.
I'm still contemplating trading in my 2019 m4 comp for a new type r.
How about comparing the Civic Type R to your E39 M5? Only because I own the E39 M5 and am interested in the type R. Might be fun to see a 20 year old BMW against a new hot hatch.
Type for life
That Honda will last a lot longer without the maintenance issues of "precision german engineering".
Over Engineered vehicle
Youve never drive a German Made R then. The ea888 engine is bullet proof. This aint 2009
@@89dungeyagreed
@@89dungey Surely the reliability of the 2024 Golf R can only be judged in 2039, just as the 2009 models (either GTI/R32 or Civic Si/Type R) are judged for how well they have held up in 2024 as just-run-in 15 year old cars? 🙂
I have a 2013vw Jetta 1.8t n that thing has been super reliable. At 150k miles n only thing I need to do is chain n tensioner. Which is super expensive but car hasn’t needed anything but brakes n tires.
You couldn't ever get me to buy a car with all those touch screens.
I sold and owned all types of Golfs/Rabbits and Civics. Now retired, for me it's Civic reliability over VW, who in the years after "Dieselgate" haven't gotten their act together.
So for now, Honda Civic.
35:47 As a MK8 owner I agree with this. Being a Toronto resident, I went with the Golf because of the AWD for winter and discount we get on MSRP in Canada (converts to around 40k USD). Although the Golf does check most of the boxes for me and is a great daily, I do find myself longing for the “specialness” of the Type R despite it not being as good in winter. Maybe i’ll trade for one once the the mark ups on the Type R come down to earth in my area!
I almost inquired about a golf r, I read last night the 2025 model is getting a facelift. Still hate the touch sensetive buttons and hiding all the controls in the screen. Anyone getting the facelift or keeping their current golf for now?
The 2025 Golf will continue to not give us buttons, CTR interior remains superior
The 8.5 is MUCH better in any way. Also the sensitivity on the touch buttons has been improved greatly compared to the pre facelift.
@@Blank00 The Golf R has buttons. Each haptic button moves and clicks. As usual, someone who has never actually used the interior of the Golf. Sigh.
@@layne4376 the civic still has normal buttons not some dumb tech bro haptics. VW isn't using normal buttons and switches still because haptics are cheaper lol
@@ShaiyanHossain Cool conspiracy theory. Woiuld be nice to have an old Nokia phone, eh? With expensive buttons. Fool.
I wish the Type R would have an AWD version or maybe even an AWD-Hybrid version similar to the new M5 Sedan. Considering how Honda right now has one of the best hybrid technology in the market I think it is doable!
As an mk8 owner I laugh when people give the usual propaganda about the interior. Are physical buttons better? Yes. Does not having physical buttons deter from the owning experience? It makes absolutely 0.001% difference when you own the car. You learn the interface and where to press. Not really that difficult, but I understand we live in a day where it’s cool to spew the usual verbiage.
Type R ftw
Completely off topic but i got my old Raptor back. I wasn't able to find an affordable RRaptor in my area and cant travel for it so i was looking at what's in my area that's pre-owned just to get back into another one and i seent my old 2019 F150 Raptor (Big Red). I verified the vin from the website and was there 5 minutes before they opened and i got my baby back. So now I'm the 2nd and 4th owner of the truck lol. The previous guy didnt take as much care of it as i do but the parts that are meh now are all parts i plan on swapping eventually anyways (like scratches on the plastic parts of the steering wheel. I plan on getting a carbon fiber steering wheel.) Still runs great, no issues, all the electronics work. I'm so stoaked. My next purchase now that I'm back in a Raptor is a Type-R. Obviously I'm years away from that but i still LOVE the Type-R platform.
Golf R without DSG isn't worth it. If you want a manual you may as well get a GTI. Golf R with a DSG destroy a Civic R. The only thing (4dr compact) better is an RS3 but it's also way more money.
Any idea of difference in interior cabin road noise? Sounds like the Type R is much louder in your video. Any chance you have a decibel reading? Awesome video!
Honda Civic Type R ❤
"the golf has a sunroof which could leak, this will not"
That is like saying The R has a/c and power windows which could break, this does not.
I passed on the first Golf R without a sunroof and waited 2 more months to get one with a sunroof.
Who buys a car in this price range without a sunroof???
rev hang has killed most new manuals for me and I have never been able to get a definitive answer as to what causes it but I imagine its emissions related
Tune it out
After a month, the touch controls are second nature. The only complaint that remains for me is the lack of lighting on the controls directly under the screen.
Knowing the golf is more practical, i choose the honda
I think the Honda is more practical. More spacious everywhere.
Im surprised of the amount of people saying the Type R can't keep up with the Golf R yet it has faster lap times. Type R is an engineering marvel while being incredibly practical, far superior seats, better stereo and one of the best manual transmissions ever. Golf R is for people that already want a Golf R. Oh and the Type R looks 10,000X better. Ya'll are crazy. Woopty do if it has AWD. Doesn't mean much if it doesn't translate on the track...
Pretty biased but I think the CTR does have an edge on the MK8R on stock conditions. However, I think the MK8R on stage 1 is a way better car than a stage 1 CTR. Golf will always hook no matter what conditions it’s in and wont have that annoying wheel hop that the CTRs have. All the infotainment complaints are subjective. I do have an MK8R and besides the air vent speed I don’t really interact with the screen. Its perfectly fine and since i have a 24 the legginess is pretty much gone. They are both amazing vehicles and nobody cant take that away from them 👍🏽
Fl5 way more engaging car to drive. For non enthusiasts like yourself who speak in ‘stages’ I guess things like driving position, feebsck and tactility aren’t an issue but real enthusiasts always pick type r over golf r. Every generation that is
@@HondaEnjoyer12 ok…
Golf R for me
Wild to me how much people give the Type R a pass. Topher, how exactly does the Civic Type R not fall apart when pushed if you had to install the Integra Type S suspension module and enter the button-combo 'service' mode to fully disable ESC?
i would love if you guys talked more about all the problems with the gr corolla.
20:29 at this minute..CTR really good look..
How does the clutch pedal feel? I have a MK8 GTI and feel a vibration/ rubbing when engaging the pedal. I've never felt that before with a manual transmission. After 30-40mins of city driving the pedal starts making squeaking noises. Vw has not been able to fix it.
I feel the same on my MK8 GTI the clutch pedal definitely doesn't go in smoothly nor does the shifter wiggle left and right smoothly they both kind of feel catchy or sticky but it doesn't really bother me. And I don't know about the pedal making speaking noises can you go into more detail of what that means
I have an mk8 GtI 380 s and I’m thinking of trading it in for a type R or wait until December and try to get into a golf R. I love the GtI but It does the same thing with the clutch pedal and I don’t like it. It also is super jumpy when I got from 1st to 2nd gear. No matter how smooth I shift it still jerks and It’s annoying
Start to see now. But Honda Addicted for sure. Sorry for the english but its not my original language
I normally agree with you, but you're also being dramatic about the infotainment. If you set up the screen right for example you can adjust the fan speed with one tap. Easy. Is it perfect? Oh heck no, but also it's not as terrible as many have made it out to be. Yes.. I do own one. The CTR is a great car won't take anything away from that. All comes down to tastes in driving and what people are looking for in tech and overall driving experience.
you shouldnt have to "set up" infotainment to use the AC. this was never an issue on the Mk7.5, but it now is on the mk8. Why? because VW cut costs and played with people's safety in the pursuit of profits. I get in my FL5 and I don't have tp "set up" anything to use the fan controls.
Test drove both and I wanted to love the Type R but I was really disappointed, it just felt so numb. I typically drive older cars (pre-2000) and there is just no comparison. For that reason I'd go Golf R; it isnt trying to be engaging its just a good fast daily. So while the CTR has more feel and fizz than the Golf R it is still no where near a 90's Honda.
Both great cars but if I had to pick one at my current age, it have to be the Golf R due to the fact I can wears suit or just a more mature look and still fit with the Golf R, while the Civic seems like you’re still going through a mid life crisis and looking for a fast and furious car club. The red interior I’m not personally a fan of. Wish you could get it with an all black interior maybe it would change my mind on it.
8:04 except the engine cover studs are present.
Golf R, if only for the AWD. On the same tires these things run nearly identical lap times around a track, as demonstrated by Savageese.
Also if you want less fake engine noises put the exhaust in ‘Pure’ mode.
Out of curiosity because Im kind of lost on this one with the infotainment system:
So I also do own an FL5 Type R and I tried turning off the cars GPS to free up some RAM, as you say.
For me the issue here is, it breaks the GPS completely....even while Im using Android Auto, which SHOULD use the GPS of my Phone.
When I try to enter a destination, it just doesn't stay.
Basically it just forgets I entered a destination BUT I can still physically see the GPS knowing where I currently am, so it does show my current location but weirdly enough its not able to guide me anymore with the cars internal GPS turned off...
sounds like your phone just sucks. no issues with AA on my s24 ultra even after disabling in car nav and data tracking.
@@ShaiyanHossain Thats really weird then, considering I got a S21U. You'd assume things would just work
@@GalliardRex weird. On my a spec integra+note 20 ultra i never had issues with wired android auto. Only with wireless. Maybe its your cable instead? If its not connected/sending power+receiving data to the phone its probably using wireless which is more error prone, just hunch. Or maybe its an update that messes with it :/
@@ShaiyanHossain Seems like that actually did the job!
I completely forgot wireless auto is not available by default (you had to manually turn it on in the infotainments OS). I believe its because wireless AA is not fully fleshed out and thus turned off when its in factory settings.
AWD is just superior, thats all there is to it. and I love hondas. The moment you turn both cars up, the honda will fall behind because all of the tricks designed in, are useless with more power. Btw I owned an FK8... it was fantastic with a couple bolt ons, but once i really turned it up... it was a mess.
A mess as in how ?
Straight line yea but the hondas always have been more capable at holding pace
“That’s all there is to it” - except that’s not true at all when you look at things like lap times, driving feel etc. AWD can be helpful, but it’s a tool and just a part of what makes a car the sum of its parts.
My FL5 is “turned up” and it’s better than ever. Not sure what you mean.
But why turn it up? The Civic Type R TCR race car is only 350hp (certainly not more than 400hp) and it's plenty quick? TCRs (including the Audi S3 that is front wheel drive since AWD is not allowed) already do about the same laptimes as GT4 cars that have about 50% more power.
Any Honda with Yellow needles does it for me lol...Before the FL5, I'd have said Golf R...But that new CivR..I just really like the looks of them.
How you turn off adaptive cruise control ? and using regular cruise control
Its easy.. just rip it off from ur front vw emblem
@@amalloveless435 thannks alot to repy 😅,turn off from honda civic type r
Golf R all the way!!!!
I feel like you love the type R more and you could be right.
@thetopher I love the specialness of the CTR and almost everything about it vs Golf R, but I found myself cringing a bit with the sound/appearance of understeer through those roundabouts (where the Golf gripped and rocketed out). In those particular moments, did you like how the Golf felt more?
I want the Honda with all wheel pull...would be awesome
I'll go with 2025 GolfR. Civic is to much of teenager ride.
Nice comparison! You guys were talking about the Audi S3 , I have a 2023 Audi S3 !
17:30....actually, they should have made the Integra Type S with SH-AWD and a moonroof; that would be a direct competitor to the R. Granted, it would probably wind up priced the same as a TLX Type S and about 10k+ over the R. #ugh (sidenote: for those who'll rag about SH-AWD/moonroof compromising the ITS: you have the CTR if you want that stripped down version for performance.)
Non sense
It will
- cost more -> additional diff, transfer case, driveshaft, moonroof, etc
- weight more -> AWD makes it heavier
- handle worse -> moonroof raises center of gravity
Just like the TLX-S
Im glad they bring the same CTR formula over with a few xtras.
@@Marbind My local Acura store has 5 of them sitting on their lot for weeks already. Per an SA I'm friends with at the same store: there's ZERO interest in them. People will take a hit in performance if there's some utility in return. Also, the TLX (Type S or not) is a bloated luxobarge NOT a dedicated sports sedan. Most TLX buyers are well aware of that. (I should know.)
@@MidnightAspec car sales are stuck everywhere.
There are more brand new 24' Civic Type Rs stocked in Honda lots than new 24' ITS.
Average Joe is the kind of person that takes the hit. People that really know about the topic are well aware of the pros/cons of having those added stuff.
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