How To Divide A Fanbase - The Last of Us 2
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The Last of Us 2 is The Last Jedi of gaming. It's divided its players more so than any game before. This video essay asks how Naughty Dog achieved this and pitches a fixed story that would have been far less divisive.
0:00 - Introduction
1:38 - Part 1 - Druckmann's Biggest Mistake
5:59 - Part 2 - The Autopsy
45:25 - Part 3 - A Better Story
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1 hour 48 mins - This is going to take a while.
Abby: you took everything from me.
Joel: I don't even know who you are.
Abby: you will. Because you’ll be forced to play as me for half the game
lmao, Joel was a god among men and Abby is like “meh meh mehmeh”
What does it matter whether he knows who she is or not?
@@jackieboy3528 it should, otherwise, there isn't going to be any sympathy (or at least a bit of exposition to her story) for Abby after she kills Joel.
Doesn't that just kind of demonstrate how bad of a person he was? He's killed and hurt so so many people that it isn't even worth guessing who Abby is. He knew his past was going to catch up to him eventually.
*Me at the beginning of the video:*
Oh you’re a writer, huh? Can’t wait to count how many times he plugs his book.
*Me at the end:*
....d-do you have a book I can read?
Me too
I stayed away from the video most of these guys bring stupid arguments this guy is awsome. I have to admit after already dedecating 2.5 houers i am only at the 25 minute mark but his explanation of why the pacing made me pause and have 2 houer conversation with myself about how you can do it in videogames. Because Nier automata did somthing similar but the pacing is not getting ruind. By using its form of delivery as a videogame.
You need to listen to his rewrite of the star wars sequel, I CRIED. It was amazing.
Same -- now I'm excited to read his book.
@@lennynero8614 oh honey, ok. You can admire a person without being upset about yourself.
Jesus, the idea of FEDRA using helicopters to drop containers full of infected is a brilliantly horrific idea.
It’s like if Ellie shoved a spore mushroom into the WLF’s ventilation system and slowly poisoned every single person inside the compound, and she uses the distraction to destroy everything since she’s immune to the spores
Fedra idea is very unrealistic to TLOU and very poorly thought out. It’s unoriginal asf and sounds like The Maze Runner movies
@toxin1552 Il love stupid ppl like you. Hou junst make me laughs.
@@toxin1552 abby being built like a tank in a post apocalyptic world is realistic then? Lmfao
@@lm_slayer1Yeah, absolutely lol A fucking “Fedra” helicopter appearing and using infected as a weapon is such an idiotic unoriginal concept. So yes Abby being bulky bc she trained for the last 4 years lol Yeah it’s VERY realistic than what the “better story” has told. Again, it’s very contradictory towards the first game.
@@lm_slayer1 this “better story” does not work as a sequel to the first game AT ALL.
I’m very glad you brought up Joel’s survival instinct or lack of cause before anything even happen my immediate thought was why would he give out his real name to complete strangers knowing there’s entire factions that would kill him on sight? He tells Ellie to hide that she’s immune but the thought of hiding his own name never came to mind when he had a whole conversation to her about slipping up around the wrong people when she didn’t want to put her gas mask on
He wouldn’t, that is why the story is sooo bad. He went against every single thing Joel was about in the first game and 20 + years in the timeline.
He was in jackson for years and got older. He dropped his guard after living in peace and safety for years. But it is weird how he still wasn't semi cautious with a group of people he had never met or seen before.
@@thereallexai6751 they went around the town daily, just because it’s a “safe” area doesn’t really mean it’s safe. Nothing in this world is safe and nobody forgets that. Joel would never drop 20+ years of survival instincts because he has a family now in a little town. In fact he would be more likely to try and protect them at any cost.
@@BrandonGavin_EDC People change, Joel wasn’t an exception, as we saw through the entirety of the first game. Also through everything Joel Abby Tommy had just gone through almost dying, I doubt the first thing on Joel’s mind was getting ambushed by the person he just saved.
@@thereallexai6751 nobody forgets their survival instincts. It’s hardwired into you from 1000’s of years.
"Here's a short list of all the mistakes in TLOU2"
-2 hours left
Only the biggest mistakes, the total list is a good three day marathon.
@@Rorington imagine when the list of mistakes is longer than the total time the game takes to complete
its literally more mistakes than game. 150% mistakes XD
@@bratwurst8931 I guess it takes one to know one, XD
@@ttime441 more like it takes Joel to know one 😂
Tbf. Most of this video was his fan fiction.
I agree and disagree with what he lists as mistakes. Respect his analysis though. I enjoyed the game. Not a masterpiece, not a shitshow.
Nice to see someone who didn’t like the game make a video like this.
The fact that so many people feel so strongly about this sequel is a testament as to how beloved the original was.
The first was a masterpiece! Part II was idiotic, to say the least.
The same can be said about Star Wars
TLOU doesn't need a sequel in the first place. The first TLOU is already a perfect story 😔
And still is nothing will ever spoil it for me not even part 2
Elias toufexis, agree
The switch from playing as Abby to then playing as Joel during the struggle was mindblowingly brilliant. Im just putting myself in the shoes as the gamer in your story, and that transition would have hit very very hard and most players would get the biggest smile on their face. You sir are a great writer and I hope Neil watches this.
I want to play that sequence so badly now. It would be the most badass moment of this hypothetical game
Neil’s ego is too big to even consider a story as good as this, he wouldn’t even consider it IMO. He literally believes that garbage story was a masterpiece.
The fact that this video made me appreciate The Last Of Us 2's story even more than before, Ellie calling Joel "dad" is so out of character for her, Dina betraying Ellie is so out of character for her, Abby not killing Joel because she's "better than him" is so out of character for her, because she's not better than him, she shouldn't be, and Abby doesn't even gets some sort of character development in this new story, and the fact that the doctor and "the cure of humanity" situation is playing out again in the story when that story already played out at the first game and it should be done with already, I can't imagine as a player playing this game, how boring it would've been, we already have enough interaction and moments with Joel, this "better story" seems just like some sort of blinded by nostalgia fan fiction, that supposed to dick ride the Fanbase rather than making a good story for the game
If that were to have happened it would immediately become one of my favorite boss battles I would ever play in a video game❤
Yeah that would be awesome to play through, no other game that I can think of has done that
i started tearing up when he said that joel kept getting up every. time. he fell down while going to save ellie. that goes to show how much joel truly cares about ellie and i love how this retelling puts more emphasis on that.
yes 😭😭
I love how Druckman said the first game was about love and everyone loved it and he said the second game is about hate and most people hated it
Exactly
It's sad that we hated the second game because it's trash and terribly written, and not because of an actually interesting and compelling story, that makes us feel envolved with the amazingly superficial characters.
Ah, the pieces are coming together...
He did his job.
“It’s like poetry.”
Joel back in the battlefield without a leg is the Joelest of Joel's moments.
This is my favorite comment of all time.
He will fully handicap abby with just the wheels on his wheelchair
Yeah, jeez. I could see so clearly Joel hearing the phone call, running to the rescue and so badly loosing your footing. The grit and strain, small stains and wear, all falling to the wayside in the face of his determination. He's gonna save his (grown) little girl no matter what. 😭💔💓
@@leenone8456 He lost one daughter, he refuses to lose another.
@@percyjackson3885 💔😭 So true
I really like the idea of this story being the canon one. Cures, larger than life threats from other humans and disturbing minds being in authority, that's a really gripping apocalypse story.
I want to play your version. Absolutely incredible writing. I like Abbey in your version. Shows that I didn’t hate Abbey to begin with, just hated the writing.
Ok, someone NEEDS to hire you.
I started watching this because I didn't like the last of us 2. I was expecting a 2 hour breakdown of it, and a "How to do it better". I didn't expect a 5 star audio book to come with.
i only had one problem at the end of his story that ellie knows that joel would never lie to her nor would break promises given to her. so ellie believing dina may not be correct
I agree bro, his version was phenomenal
Same fam. Tbh I would've preferred a game about abby the wolves and the scars nothing to do with elli and joel
Rishi teja I think it makes perfect sense, bc as Martin pointed out, Ellie made Joel sweat on it but the latter still lied.
Me after reading this comment:
2 hours?
**clicks on video to check time**
*TWO HOURS?!?!*
Obviously, this rewrite has some issues, it was written by a single dude in a span of what I'd assume to be couple of weeks at most. Yet somehow it holds up better than a story created by a team of writers over the course of many months. This is truly remarkable.
I agree. There are some flaws, like How could the cured clicker lady realistically still be alive after brain damage that the cordiceps could have caused, how could you play as Joel if he has a prosthetic leg and why would Dina cure Ellie? Other than that I think it’s way better then the actual story.
Like I'm still baffled on how he was able to make a story better than what they gave us over a week. Like they need to make the last of us part 2 non canon and make a new game called the REAL last of us part 2, bring in this guy to write the story, and slap Neil Druckmann in the face... maybe that last one was a little too much
@@naththegamer845 just a bit, he still made the first last of us which is still an amazing game. He just made the mistake of not taking into account the audience and everything with Abby.
@@forrestmanbro0981 That is true, I'm still a little mad at how it all turn out... Ima just pretend that last of us pt 2 never existed... and that Neil Drunkmann made one game and nothing else... for now...
Edit: I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID...
Why tf would Joel bother to avenge some dude named Kyle and put his own life at risk? Is this not out of character?
Jesus, did y'all even watch the whole video?
This is just a cowardly written fanservice story designed purely to earn clout.
Having Jole lose his leg to facilitate his new position as head of communication and Eli's primary contact was really smart. I had to pause when I heard that part I was so impressed.
the way you spelt Joel and Ellie is kinda insane
@@immunic that's how they SHOULD be spelled.
No, it's not.@@w33blord66
@@w33blord66...what?
@@w33blord66 have you considered taking the leadpill?
This rewrite of tlou 2 had me intrigued throughout, bawling my eyes out by the end and leaving my satisfied. This video summed up the reason I was left unsatisfied and depressed with the original story, but this has really made my morning, you deserve a medal for this video, thank you.
The fact that this video made me appreciate The Last Of Us 2's story even more than before, Ellie calling Joel "dad" is so out of character for her, Dina betraying Ellie is so out of character for her, Abby not killing Joel because she's "better than him" is so out of character for her, because she's not better than him, she shouldn't be, and Abby doesn't even gets some sort of character development in this new story, and the fact that the doctor and "the cure of humanity" situation is playing out again in the story when that story already played out at the first game and it should be done with already, I can't imagine as a player playing this game, how boring it would've been, we already have enough interaction and moments with Joel, this "better story" seems just like some sort of blinded by nostalgia fan fiction, that supposed to dick ride the Fanbase rather than making a good story for the game
Dude chill and stop meat riding the creatos you are just butt hurt that not every one has your taste and that 80% to 90% of other people would of liked a difrent story or hell it does not need to be a diferent story just make it better like not killing joel from the start and build up to it something like arthur morgan from rdr2 would have made this game of the year in ny book and that way the fan base is not so divided as it is now@@nehirsonmaz287
@@nehirsonmaz287 “Out of character” it’s a completely different story, it would be in character for them… if this was the story. Common toxic TH-cam comments L
@@nehirsonmaz287 "nostalgia fan fiction, that supposed to dick ride the Fanbase rather than making a good story for the game"
bro you've been copypasting this shit everywhere and trying to defend this lame ass game, you are the only one here who is dickriding
@@andrewlol9095 wtf are you talking about? The characters are the same, their names are Ellie, Dina, Abby, you want to make a completely different story? Then make your own characters.
The part where Joel comes back to fight despite his leg is probably the most Joel thing ever
Agreed
He did get impaled in the first game and seemed to suffer no long lasting effects so yeah that would make sense.
Yes
I’m not really a fan of how plot armor-ish that aspect of the story was but yeah. It was badass
That part is canon now.
strange how a golf game became so controversial
I think it’s because Abby got a Joel in one
Imo The Last of us 2 has nothing on Wii sports golf.
2/10
@@thatoneweebwiththeannoyedf8115 ba-dum-ch
Honestly I think EA should sue ND for copying tiger woods.
George W. Bush : *Now watch this drive!*
37:03 that’s not how life works. There was this kid stuck in the wild for a long time and even tho he went back into civilization he still acted a little bit in the wild. Soldiers are another example. My dad wasn’t in active combat more than 2 decades but he still remembers what to do and how to act in certain situations. You just don’t forget how to act especially surviving in the apocalypse for 20 years
24 years specifically, but you’re still right
Well it makes women stronger characters if you just suddenly make the strongest character possible suddenly destroyed for being “weak.” The writer did what he had to write for WOMEN audiences. The whole “she had to be strong because of what the patriarchy did” theme is big with them. We want these women to be as ruthless as we see male characters.
Exactly and your dad went back to his country, to "safety", yet still retained all his instincts. joel was essentially still in combat, still in a crazy apocalypse... why would he relax, right?
Not everyone is your dad
@@Isaiahperez9219 sure and those types of people wouldnt have survived this long in the apocalypse. they would be too trusting... letting your guard down WHILE the apocalypse is still active? AND YOURE PART OF THE SCOUTING AND COMBAT TEAM? How dumb would that be?
THIS. HOLY SHIT. I literally was engaged the whole time during your version on how you would have done the story. You are an amazing writer my friend and this is the first time I have stumbled across your channel and I have instantly hit the subscribe and like button. WELL DONE! Such a beautifully told version!
The fact that this video made me appreciate The Last Of Us 2's story even more than before, Ellie calling Joel "dad" is so out of character for her, Dina betraying Ellie is so out of character for her, Abby not killing Joel because she's "better than him" is so out of character for her, because she's not better than him, she shouldn't be, and Abby doesn't even gets some sort of character development in this new story, and the fact that the doctor and "the cure of humanity" situation is playing out again in the story when that story already played out at the first game and it should be done with already, I can't imagine as a player playing this game, how boring it would've been, we already have enough interaction and moments with Joel, this "better story" seems just like some sort of blinded by nostalgia fan fiction, that supposed to dick ride the Fanbase rather than making a good story for the game
@@nehirsonmaz287I see you’re enjoying copy pasting your grievances. Good on you, have a cookie for your sour attitude. 🍪
@@sweg-man200 lmao sour attitude, it's funny how when you call out a hypocrite behaviour it becomes "sour attitude" but thanks, it looks like it bothered you lol
@@nehirsonmaz287 Nah, it’s more amusing than anything.
@@sweg-man200 How cliche is that? That's embarrassing lmao
I never had a problem with Joel dying…the problem I had was the fact they killed him off in the beginning, and players were expected to sympathize with Abby during her 10 hour long side quests.
Sympathize with a chick that is banging a dude with a pregnant girlfriend? Yeah... right.
Five hours into unsatisfying gameplay just waiting to be Joel or Ellie again, and you get to face the most difficult infected in the series with limited ammo! Have fun, fuckers! >:D
Every single player who played Abby would lose On Purpose, Nothing she does after made her sympathetic to, anyone :/ I feel with game testers that should have been expressed if it wasn't already, if it was ignored, developers Sure don't understand anything about their audience
Abby's side quests. Wow. That setting is unfamiliar to all of us. None of us think we would end up in a paramilitary army taking orders from one man you barely met a couple years prior because you had to flee the place that held so much meaning and purpose to come to this warzone that you don't belong to. Abby's story is actually a very emotional and morally difficult story to experience.
@@BEERBOMB113 lol It's Tomb Raider + Farcry, and Ellie's arc just becomes female Red Dead. Not to mention all of the terrible dialogue, poorly executed plot points, and ridiculous inconsistencies with previous world-building. Nah, it's really bad, dude.
Imagine being someone in TH-cam and writing a more compelling story synopsis than a billion dollar company
Not hard to imagine it happens quiet a lot, have you seen what the companies are putting out lately?
If you're talking about ND, I doubt they're worth more than a few million.
It's because we understand the story better than... whoever was assigned to do this.
I almost think in the case of having new directors/stories/themes, the new producers need to fall in love with the story first and respect it for what it is before making changes.
My god this story sounds amazing and intriguing rather than just revenge and revenge and again just revenge...
I was like "this is one of those dick sucking comments that overrates rewrites by a rando on youtube, it probably is as bad or decent at best" but to be honest, his version is really good and doesn't change that much in the game, is just more polished version that makes more sense
Fucking amazing video as usual, but when Joel said "Hi Kiddo" in your rewrite I got tears in my eyes. His death was so unfair, and having this moment, even if it will never happen in the game, was so emotional. Congrats man.
The "Better Story" Part is so good that I have been re-watching the video like 20 times just to hear ii again
Imagine if someone were to actually make a game off of it that actually looks like the real game to
Nah... I think what i predicted it would be our was better... abbey iz ellies mom and we learn her fate
because hearing fanfiction is always better than accept the course of history, conservatives know much about that
The fact that this video made me appreciate The Last Of Us 2's story even more than before, Ellie calling Joel "dad" is so out of character for her, Dina betraying Ellie is so out of character for her, Abby not killing Joel because she's "better than him" is so out of character for her, because she's not better than him, she shouldn't be, and Abby doesn't even gets some sort of character development in this new story, and the fact that the doctor and "the cure of humanity" situation is playing out again in the story when that story already played out at the first game and it should be done with already, I can't imagine as a player playing this game, how boring it would've been, we already have enough interaction and moments with Joel, this "better story" seems just like some sort of blinded by nostalgia fan fiction, that supposed to dick ride the Fanbase rather than making a good story for the game
@@nehirsonmaz287 because its a blinded by nostalgia fanfiction, its literal wattpad levels of "I can do it better" without even known how character development works
Abby: Who are you?
Joel: My name is Nathan and this is my brother Sam.
*END CREDITS*
Joel: My name is Jak and this is my brother Daxter.
@@ryantheanimator1156 I understood that reference
Like a Far Cry secret ending. Nothing to see here folks. Lets all go home.
It would be ideal yes but this world is everything but ideal besides Tommy was the one who said their names when they were escaping from the Ski lodge, it was a matter of trust and Tommy's fault but either way if it wasn't for that we wouldn't have had this masterpiece of a game!
@@juanpedro_mov7372 "Masterpiece of a game"
You smoke way too much weed, bruh.
It’s crazy how Joel’s death in the game only made me angry, but your script almost made me tear up just hearing it, good job man
a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means sometimes a cliche just works better for the story. I don’t mean rehashing cliche after cliche is a good thing, but sometimes you don’t need a big twist or to make everything different for the sake of being different. So long as it feels like a natural progression to the story that works, sometimes having one or two cliches is okay.
Then again I typically don’t notice these things, so, what do I know.
a HERO that doesn’t know what protect means To be fair, those themes are not uncommon at all in literature. Those themes are wildly apparent in nearly every revenge-plot story; usually dark fantasies or grim-dark stories. The issue is that TLOU1’s story was ultimately a realistically optimistic tale, thus such a dark moral isn’t really suited to what TLOU1 tried to establish with its theme or tone. It goes back to what is said in the video- grim morals _can_ be enjoyed by a specific audience, but it’s not the same target audience that TLOU1 captured. They expected a more lighter tone (which does not equate with a “happy” story, just that it would portray the characters with hope) with a realistically optimistic message at the end.
If you like those themes, I highly recommend finding pieces of literature that do it well. However, for a game such as TLOU2 to follow that path when TLOU1 was its stark opposite in terms of themes and morals just feels like the writers misunderstood their target audience and why they enjoyed the first game so much.
I started crying its so fucking good
I was definitely skeptical about this video, especially because I liked the game, but you’re a very good storyteller and I have to admit that all your points are valid, and your story seems much more coherent.
Liked the game? Are you trolling?
@@sudomywoodo No? A lot of people really enjoyed TLOU2, myself included.
Dude, I disliked the game. But someone liking it isn't trolling. I've debated with some of my friends about what I see as Part 2's many flaws. But they don't bother them and the love it. Odd to me but they aren't saying it to troll anyone@@sudomywoodo
@@sudomywoodoliking the game. And then there’s liking the story.
@@dccrashergames6553you wouldnt be able to torture a shameful confession like that out of me, and here you are just posting it for all to see.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
i'm late to the video by about 3 year. but i have to say this is very well structured and explains the pro and cons. thank you for making a podcast type story and also giving people something to look at if they want. i'm glad i could listen to this at work. thank you for doing the work of addressing *each* flaw.
Not gonna lie:
I'd pay to see this version as a game.
It's majestic.
No.
@@whywhy9808 Everybody has his own opinion, pal.
@@dinorex3464 Why is it that you think this rewrite is any good?
@@whywhy9808 Because the game is a masterpiece that had some flaws.
This story is surprising, especially because it is fanmade.
@@dinorex3464 The rewrite is primitive and cliched, it does not fit into the universe of TLOU.
"Joel forgets survival instincts after not requiring them for 4 years". Ask a Veteran how realistic that sounds.
Not to mention Joel was going on patrols around Jackson. So no, he was unlikely to become careless after living comfortably.
@@IamFrozenUnderpants AND AND
On top of that, they shot themselves in the foot by saying BEFORE THE PATROL WENT OUT that bandits are around.
As a retired combat vet I'll go ahead and answer that obvious question.
I WISH I COULD. But I CAN'T.
IT'S BULLSHIT.
Literally ask any trauma survivor or abused person how much that vigilance never leaves them, even with focused and conscious effort they still have a bit of paranoia deep down
But in fact was tommy the one who tell Abby their names and you can say that Joel agreed to go Abby's but that's the same he did in pitsburg wen hi decides no jump of the bridge, in my opinion he do the same he baugth a few minutes in his mind
this rewrite was so beautiful😭 just goes to show how many amazing paths to take the game with were possible, and how they naughty dog fumbled so bad
That thing about Joel getting soft because of the 4 years in a safer area is a bad take. Even in the very beginning of the first game when the outbreak starts he is still unwilling to trust people as showcased when he doesn't let Tommy pick up the hitchhiking family.
Yes dude, Joel is the same as he was at the beginning of the game.
Did you play the second game? You can see Joel has changed a bunch just in the couple hours he’s in it… He plays a guitar and sings a song..
The fact that that your rewrite is actually darker, and more depressing, yet so much better and more coherent, is insane. Would love to see you get the chance to write a story for a game someday.
I'm working on the plot for my game, Solid Shadows, which is meant to be a pretty intense - and particularly scary - horror game. This channel is great, really has helping out a lot, for anyone new I'd suggest this.
It's because for many of us, it's not the darkness of the story that we dont like
@@SStupendous Is it going to be out on Steam eventually?
@@JustANyanCat Yes, Solid Shadows will be a mainly-PC game, developed in UnReal Engine, will be released on Steam.
@@SStupendous Alright, I'll keep an eye out for it!
That “Dad!” exclamation from Ellie was uncalled for
That classic “The feeling’s mutual!” moment we never got.
Looking forward to Sunday school tomorrow Dad
Wendigoon your a goat! Lol
Oh crap it's you!
Maybe, a bit
Holy shit, I've never even played any of the games, only heard about it through videos, but MAN was that rewrite immersive and engaging af! I got chills and tears at each corner despite not even being connected to the characters at all! Bravo!
GOD the second you mentioned that one camp being full of just dead FEDRA soldiers, I KNEW it was Joel. Absolutely stellar rewrite, with every little detail and expectation.
This guy's rewrite of the story is officially how the sequel plays out in my head now. Thank you for this.
That’s weird considering he ignored half of her story. Of course it seems boring and pointless if you ignore the point of it all.
Realistically, whether you loved this story or not came down to if you could get over your hate of Abby for killing Joel. If you couldn’t, then it didn’t matter to realize how good of a person that Abby and most of her crew were.
yea its so much better
The game has problems but I think it was fine with how it played out to be honest. It wasn't what some people want but it told a story that was difficult for players to be invested in. Whe things don't go how you expected it you felt betrayed.
-I feel like people needed to move on. What people expected TLOU2 to just be another Ellie and Joel on an another adventure essentially a last of us 1.2 and play the first game again. But people needed to move on. But after what Joel did at the hospital it wasn't gonna happen. Karma was going to catch up and bite his ass.
-In regard to how Joel's death happened, I think it was fine for this type of game. People wanted him to have an epic hero's death or fight to the death where he would be honoured by the game because we saw all the things he an Ellie went through in the game. Plus we feel even more connected to the characters because we play and control them we feel more connected. Think of when you die in games you may say something like 'I died' or the game tells you 'you died' No you didn't but it feels more personal. But narratively they way he went out works for this type of game. People in this universe have pathetic deaths just like all the other NPCs you kill. But because we spent the first game with Joel we grew attached to him and as the centre of that universe and some may even see him as the hero but he is not. He's the enemy and trigger of Abby and her arc and in that universe was just like any other character.
-They live in a bleak world where's there's not much to live for. Those moments of happiness and family can be so meaningful as it's a breakaway and escape from the hard world which heightens the joy felt by the characters. When you take away that joy what is there really left in the world to distract you from going on a rampage?
That's what happened to Abby.
-Joel in the 5 years has been living a good and happy life which must seem like the complete opposite from the past 25 years he's led. He's grown softer and let his guard down as the world is starting to recuperate a little that groups have now become forming with their own agendas.
-When you plan to kill someone you want to restrain effectively so they have no means of escape. And in this empty world giving them a slow death may make you feel very satisfied rather than shooting them in the head. This is what Abby did. And will nothing left for Ellie going on a rampage was probably the only means she felt to give closure. However Ellie's journey di her more harm than good. She's left alone, unable to play her guitar, lost her friends, and left off in a worse place. And what Ellie said she feared the most happened.
I guess this guy's rewriting of the game (which literally anyone can do, even in their own heads) can be your safe space from the reality of the actual plot. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but the outrage over this game is pathetic. It's a fictional story. I don't remember any outrage when Ned Stark was brutally murdered in front of his own daughter in Game of Thrones....
@@KingstonHawke did you not watch this video? Generalizing everyone’s disdain for the story that way doesn’t really leave any room for a conversation. When I saw the leaks of Joel being killed by Abby, I was honest to god excited to see how we got to that point in the story. I figured he was going to die long before we got a trailer, and when I saw that leak I was praising Naughty Dog for having the BALLS to do it..... but when I saw how the story actually played out I was left FLOORED by how terrible the entire structure was. I’ve taken several creative writing classes for my education, and I’m pretty sure that every single instructor I’ve ever had would rip LoU Part 2’s story into tiny pieces. It’s not just a terrible sequel, it’s just a bad story overall.
as a person named Joel, Joel's death was an insult and a slap on the face of the Joel clan
The Joel clan will decide your faith
Im from the Matt Clan and yet even i feel terrible for you Joels.
@@breadsqueeze27 this series was the one where a popular character that was MC was named joel
@@brute6896 congrats dude! Im still waiting for mine turn lol
@@breadsqueeze27 there's so many names for their turn and I'm still waiting for them too
Man, this was really something!
I loved TLOU part 1 and liked part 2, not as much but still a good game. I started your video thinking it was a bit pretentious, but your analysis rings true... and your rewrite... you made me cry at the final meeting between Joel and Ellie. Now I really wish the second season of the TLOU TV show would follow your script instead. Truly fantastic story!
Wow, I clicked on this video not realizing the epic adventure I was about to go on. I haven’t seen the show or the video game, but the sheer amount of talent in the storytelling portion was just….chef’s kiss. Truly inspiring, creative, and compelling. Bravo 👏🏻
And she writes: “Kill me.”
This gave me chills all over myself, this is petrifying and freaking sweet af at the same time. I’ve listened to the rewrite a few times now and this part gets me every single time.
How can she write without a face though.
@bavorec realistically speaking, you’re probably right. But l can probably write something with my eyes closed.
@@bavorec You can sense where your body is without looking.
Jojje after being a clicker for years and being unable to control your body because of the fungus infection and after being experimented on... i doubt it.
Anyway this was just an example of all the far fetched, contrived, illogical and inconsistent things in the alternate story. Smaller things than that are attacked in the original story but then happen in the alternate story presented here... If one claims that this is “A better story” than it should be bulletproof.
bavorec but the thing is, this was what, one guy trying to rewrite a story over a couple weeks to a few months vs a big production company with a large amount of employees with several years to work on a story.
I don’t expect everything here to be perfect, but I’d prefer this rewrite with its flaws compared to the mess of a story that is the actual TLOU2 game and the creators behind it
I won't even lie, your rendition of the game's story literally made me gasp and pulled me right into it. I feel like I was listening to an audiobook, rather than a hypothetical reimagining of the game. This writing was so well done I am eagerly awaiting when you finish the book you are writing.
Saaame. I was audibly saying "that's so cool", and "ooooooohhhhhh" so many times. Instant sub from me too.
Right?! It's sooo bloody brilliant!
I legit got excited that I figured out Dina cured Ellie long before the story revealed it, despite the fact that it wasn't what actually happened. Darn good storytelling for sure.
riding a feels train with this rendition of the story😢
Cringey.
Your rewrite of this story is so much more emotionally compelling its beautiful. I shed a few tears over it honestly
It takes a special kind of TH-camr to be able to make me tear up at the plot of a rewrite of a game I have never played. Excellent job.
Didn’t make me cry. He’s a dumm@$$. The original game made me cry. It’s better.
me: I'll only watch the first 6 minutes
also me (two hours later): this is now the official storyline for TLoU2 and nobody can change my mind
literally same
Same lol, I got so invested
LittleBigPlanet is my favorite 🙂
Same
If someone novelizes it and posts it on FFN or something, I will pay you. Or maybe I'll just do it. Could be a fun project.
Killing Joel was a pretty obvious move. It was the most emotional gut punch Naughty Dog could give us and at his age, he probably wouldn’t have played much of a role in a Part 3, even if he had survived. But once Abby kills Joel…. We’re not going to like her. It doesn’t matter how it is motivated, it doesn’t matter how pleasing you try to make her, we’re not going to like her. Once she kills Joel, there’s no going back. The fact that she does it in the first Act means there’s no redeeming her and man, did they try hard.
It's all about empathy, that's why the game is so divisive. Honestly if she killed Joel halfway through the game it would have changed nothing.
I don't think that's necessarily true. There are people such as myself who see Joel's actions in the first game as supremely selfish, fucking over humanity for his and his friend's happiness. But the big problem is that Abby kills Joel for very personal and selfish reasons herself, so you've lost the only audience in the world who would not mind seeing Joel die for his crimes.
That's not to say that she couldn't have personal motivation against Joel alongside something more lofty, be it desire for justice, or trying to get Ellie to cooperate for a cure, etc. It's that when it's only vengeance that's her motivation, any moral high ground she may have had as a shield vanishes.
I get that the futility of the cycle of violence is what they were going for, but why do I care who among the 3 selfish assholes that kill hundreds of people for personal reasons lives or dies? It seems like Abby, Ellie, and Joel actively make the world a worse place and kill more people than zombies.
@@popsicleman8816 But the other problem was not Joel paying for what he did, it was ND trying to rewrite the first game and what players knew about it. It was known that the Fireflies really had no clue what they was doing and had killed other immune people from notes in that hospital looking for a cure. Think about that for a second, you had other immune people and killed them, not find other ways to keep them alive, or let them have kids and hope to pass on that immunity, just crack them open and hope you hit upon a cure.
The playerbase knew about this, so when ND was trying to make Joel a horrible monster for making that choice, but the players who found out the information were not going to be on board. But they still could have pulled it off if they had approached it with more sense and not go for the SHOCK of killing Joel.
@@dolomaticus1180 Oh, no doubt that if you look at things with understanding of basic logic and medicine, fireflies are being dumbasses.
1) immediately going for a lethal procedure is a terrible idea, and closes off all other avenues of investigation. this should be the last resort.
2) Immunity is based on the immune response, so Ellie's blood and csf would be far more useful than her brain anyways
3) vaccines are made by presenting to the human body a neutralized or weakened antigen. They can get cordyceps sample from non immune patients and it would work just as well
4) Why remove the whole brain? It'd be a tricky procedure, but they only need a brain biopsy, not taking the whole damn thing out.
But you are mistaken in thinking that they had other immune subjects. The surgeon's recording in the lab talks about other test subjects, but they make a point of emphasizing that ellie's immunity is special. This implies that fireflies experimented on non immune infected patients and that ellie is indeed the only immune patient.
Therefore, it brings up the question. Are fireflies idiots, or did the writers contrive a scenario in which Joel and fireflies are driven to fight? I'd say it's the latter. Think about how none of the multiple medical researchers and assistants recognized the obvious flaws of the plan. In fact, no one makes the argument that this is a completely unreasonable course of action. Even Joel has no rebuttal despite him being the most incentivized to argue for Ellie. If it was 1 character that was being an idiot, I'd buy that, but everyone in the game's world thinks this makes sense. And think about the fact that if fireflies don't act like this, no fuss would be made and there would be no dramatic ending scene.
Therefore, when I judge Joel's actions, I do so under the lens that what the fireflies are doing isn't inherently ridiculous within the logic of that universe. Furthermore, at the very least, Joel does not think that this idea is flawed. Therefore the faultiness of the firefly plan did not factor into his decision. When you examine his actions under this lens, what he does is fucking over all of humanity for the sake of 2 people. Therefore, his actions are inexcusably selfish.
tl;dr - fireflies plan was dumb, but it was most likely the writers being dumb or manufacturing artifical conflict for the ending. Even if fireflies actions are dumb within the game-universe, Joel didn't know it, so it's not an excuse for his immoral action.
But why could they not have given him a proper and meaningful death like with Arthur Morgan and John Marston. The problem is not Joel’s death itself. But it was just poorly written
Daaaamn. Such a better idea for a story. This scene where Joel looks at Dina and gets her to say Ellie is genius.
The fact that this video made me appreciate The Last Of Us 2's story even more than before, Ellie calling Joel "dad" is so out of character for her, Dina betraying Ellie is so out of character for her, Abby not killing Joel because she's "better than him" is so out of character for her, because she's not better than him, she shouldn't be, and Abby doesn't even gets some sort of character development in this new story, and the fact that the doctor and "the cure of humanity" situation is playing out again in the story when that story already played out at the first game and it should be done with already, I can't imagine as a player playing this game, how boring it would've been, we already have enough interaction and moments with Joel, this "better story" seems just like some sort of blinded by nostalgia fan fiction, that supposed to dick ride the Fanbase rather than making a good story for the game
@nehirsonmaz287
The Closer Look's version of the story is objectively better from a writers standpoint because, as the video mentions, it is written for the same target audience as the first Last Of Us game.
With that said - if you don't like it, that's fine. But why not just go replay the game if you enjoy it as it is? Why watch this video and leave such a long comment on why you personally didn't enjoy his version? Why watch a feature-length rewrite at all?
I'm genuinely asking, because I would never waste my time making myself so angry. It's why I didn't play the second game - it was too bleak for me. That doesn't mean I hate it or think it did everything wrong. I enjoyed the gameplay, and the attempted message, but overall I never finished it because it was not made with players like me in mind.
This re-write is not only better paced than the game, but it was written for people who enjoyed the message of hope in the first game.
It doesn't matter if Abby is ooc, because she's essentially a DIFFERENT character in the rewrite. Dina as well. And personally I like them more, but you can disagree. But don't try to convince people who enjoy the rewrite that we are wrong or somehow stupid, if only because you will not succeed.
It is not difficult to respect the opinions of others. Please respect the people in this comment section who prefer the rewrite.
I loved the rewrite. It actually made me tear up and the end, especially hearing about the watch on Joel’s grave. I loved the twist of Dina giving her the cure instead Joel. I loved everything about it. Amazing job!
Joel’s death in the original made me angry and didn’t make me cry. Joel’s death in the rewrite made me well up so quickly.
Ellie crying out "Dad" to Joel in his final moments would have had me bawling my eyes out just like Lee's death in The Walking Dead Season 1.
In the original, I was laughing. I couldn't take it seriously.
What rewrite are you speaking about?
@@codymyers9480 he wrote his own version of the story in this video, it starts somewhere in the middle
@@codymyers9480 at 45:25
My dad spent 2 years in Vietnam front lines infantry that was almost 50 years ago and he still lives in the jungle in his head the idea Joel would forget his survival instinct after 4 years is so stupid and ignorant to trauma and survival it’s disgusting
BRUH LIGIT NO ONE CARES
@@ramirez4456 stfu, the point is clear.
I feel like it takes a shit on genuine PTSD and other things and like you said. They clearly don't understand how it works so they somehow think someone can forget that in a few years
@@ramirez4456 72 people seem to care
@@John-ns5se nah
Honestly, last of us should’ve been an anthology series. Then Neil could have his depressing last of us game, but the fans of the first game wouldn’t have been as pissed about it
That would be the smart idea, however Neil's a failed comic writer for a reason. He *cannot* do original stories, because if he did nobody would like them or even be able to pretend to.
TLOU2 was *supposed* to be a launchpad for Abby to take over the series, and we've all seen how that panned out with Sony having tried to sweep her under the rug.
Honestly, the end of YOUR story made me cry, just to hear it as a player, instead of just a watcher, made me remember of RDR2, very well done, thank you for this
A friend of mine once said "You learn so much more from a failed story because then you will be able to avoid the mistakes it made" and I guess it's true for this case, and otherwise we wouldn't have YOUR amazing version of sequel
The whole “being trapped inside” when you’re a runner or clicker would have been a great throwback to when Henry’s brother talks about being infected in the first game, it’s a shame that ND didn’t do something with this
That's now how any of this works. Even brain tumors in some parts of the brain can cause significant shifts in one's personality and behaviour yet a parasite fungus that grows on the brain and takes control somehow doesn't change the level of consciousness? At least ND got that part right.
No, because it's not him losing control, it's him changing, HE is behaving like this, nobody is controlling him, he has been changed mentally, so there is no "trapped inside" because he is in control, but he is aggressive now.
@@thescruffinator8830 N-no dude. He said that the people who experienced it had 0 control but were trapped there, dont know if they saw or felt any of the things the fungus did aside from the pain he mentions tho. But they are in, suffering. Kinda of a lucid dream of sorts.
@@FDALl-ms5kg And what makes you think he's right? he's never been infected, the fungus makes YOU aggressive, it doesn't take over for you, it makes YOU do those things, it's the difference between being possessed and FORCED to do things, or being injected with something that makes YOU want to do those things.
@@thescruffinator8830 I think hees right because he was making this story, this is fan fiction afterall. Whos gonna know what the fuck happens better than the writer?
Edit: Im that kind of an idiot that doesnt realize who are you talking about. And even then im still right, the guy has heard Testimonies of people that experienced it, why should they lie to him
I only have two problems with your version:
First, I think the Rat King is perfect as it was done in the game. The idea if it being so unique and accidental is amazing for me, a monster that wasn't even part of the normal ecology of the fungus and still made the strongest version possible of the infection. It also wouldn't make a lot of sense to be as abominable as it was if it was made artificially. If I remember well, there's a moment in your version in which the player goes to the hospital, so I don't see any problem to recrate the scene from the games in this version, just make them need to hide in the basement and done.
The second and biggest problem I have with your story, and ironically I think it would also divide the fandom a lot, is the cure. The fact that there is a cure to the fungus gives too much... hope, in my opinion. Yes, it's used as a weapon, but at the end of the day, it still means that humanity can and probably will survive the infection, something that I think would make Ellie's immunity less special. I think by just making it impossible to cure someone that has turned into a runner already fixes it, though you would have to change a few details in the story. But you have to admit, it's a lot more urgent to get the cure before she turns into a runner than before she turns into a clicker, which takes around a year.
But really, this version is a thousand times better, and if this story has two problems in my opinion, it's still a lot less than two million problems, like the original game.
Amazing re-write, an absolutely astonishing story, loved the epilogue part the most, Dinas true character and betrayal, Ellie and Joel in the final scene and her calling him dad, truly spectacular, You should 100% do this for more part 2 games, even if people loved the part 2, amazing work man
Joel: *Does anything during the rewrite.*
Ellie: *Absolutely lays into Joel.*
Right? This game was a fanfic but my God was the rewrite even worse.
@@matthewcooper4248 The game has a lot of subtext dude, all main characters have delvopment. Owen,Joel,Ellie and Abby. The side characters are just small side stories as they should be.
Their action usually make sense, besides the side characters again
All he is doing is adding too much unnecessary details. The game shows, not tells
@@matthewcooper4248 I actually thought the rewrite was quite good.
Just poking fun at a common theme in it.
"The characters are the ones pushing the plot, not the plot pushing the characters"
This is actually a real story telling method. You can either have the plot as the main point or the characters. Game of Thrones is a great example of characters pushing the plot and Harry Potter for the opposite. If your characters are strong enough, the plot will be equally strong. Read The First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie for a perfect example of strong characters pushing a plot. The plot is basically non-existent even.
Said the “author” who give Dina a bite mark in a really sketchy story, paired her with Joel and give them “special magical phones” and made her (and practically everyone outside of Joel), fall into the worst kind of exposition, stating out loud their motives and doing all kinds of stupid things, just to be able to start the beginning of his fanfic. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@Piticlir joel saving abby in the start of the game is also a coincidence
@@Piticlir at least the fanfic have better story structure without a ton of flashback
Randi Rayunegara I’m not saying that the original game it’s better (although it is), but you can’t call your lazy crow pleasing fanfic “A better story” and then deliver that bs. 🤷🏻♂️
It came to my mind that actually Dorohedoro is a really good example of a story where two groups of protagonists are antagonistic to eachother and you don't want any of them to lose. And the most interesting thing is that it starts as a revenge story! Never thought about it that way, but Dorohedoro really is TLOU2, but good lol
i've just recently played the game and actually quite liked it. But your story man. What a ride this video was. You made me tear up. Great work, please never stop.
Bruh, this man’s story got me more immersed than the actual game 🤦🏿♂️
I finally felt some of the emotion I expected to feel in P2 when he gets to the end and Ellie calls Joel dad.
@@Doradexplora when I heard Joel gets back in the fight after he had his leg blown off, I was like “hell yeah, Joel’s back and kicking ass”. Then I realized that I’ll never be able to play through this story in a game 😢.
@@bluejay22 lol I can relate with that XD
It’s just a generic fan fiction.
@@Luis-by7li
Still way better than that generic Neil's fan fic we got as the game.
Fun fact: hearing is one of the last senses you'll lose before you die so Joel could've heard Ellie said "dad"
That shit hits me hard man. Didn’t expect one word in a fan fic story to be so effective
Where could he have heard this?
lol, when did ellie say dad in joel's death scene?
@@kevingaspari5848 in his version of the story, at around 1:45:00
bless you kind sir
Duuude, if Joel heard Ellie call him dad he would’ve been so happy, this moment is so heartbreaking. T-T
3 seconds in and I've never in my entire life heard a better opening to anything that what is said in this video. WOW!
I wish you would have been the guy who wrote TLOU2 lol nicely done vide man
Same man he did amazing with this if this was the actual game would have enjoyed it so much more and had little to no complaints about it
That fucking fight scene between Joel and Abby oh fuck that would of been so good! I got excited by him just reading it.
Also love your videos keep up the good work.
Yo what you doing here Roanoke
@@squizolifting just hanging out lol
@@RoanokeGaming man...Just wanted to say mega big fan of your vids, you made my quarantine a lot less grey, thanksss
Dude... this rewrite was EVERYTHING. Seriously, it’s a tragedy that this wasn’t the story we got. I’m amazed.
I actually fckin cried and care about all the characters in the rewrite lol, he is such a good storyteller
This listened as a real story. I got emotional as well and my feelings flowed with the story. So well done!!!!
Man is amazing how he used more of the infected to help in the choices of human and stuff, instead of Neil druckman who focused on people being blinded by revenge lol
No
No
I loved the first game and I really do like the second game so I wasn’t fully on board when I started the video but the rewrite completely won me over. Amazing job!
That was amazing u did so much with that not only did u fix almost everything wrong with the first one in 1 hour u made me empathize with the characters and also kept me interested in the story you did a phenomenal job and I think if they make the next season of the tv show it should take most of the elements from this story
This is canon now.
Your damn right it is
At the very least, Druckmann's isn't the canon anymore. I'll make a complete rewrite with an OC if I have to, as long as I can salvage this universe.
Ouch
It’s an amazing rewrite but it’s very “Hollywood” and would also have been criticised for being very different from the tone of the first game. There’s a middle ground here but there are clearly issues with the story of TLOU Pt II.
The galactic senate doesn't think so
*Insert mandatory comment about the ten minute mark being pushed in this video.*
I think I may have pushed the ten minute mark a little too far with this one.
@@TheCloserLook really padded for the ten minutes. Smh youtubers these days
@The Closer Look smh my head it’s at least 2 minutes over the 10 minute mark this video is so poopy butts now
@@TheCloserLook unsubscribed
Eric Song now THAT's an insult if i've ever seen one! 😂😂
Dude, i didn't even play the games and his story version got me hella immersed to the point of actually caring about the characters and rooting for them! This man needs to be put in charge of projects like these!
The fact that this video made me appreciate The Last Of Us 2's story even more than before, Ellie calling Joel "dad" is so out of character for her, Dina betraying Ellie is so out of character for her, Abby not killing Joel because she's "better than him" is so out of character for her, because she's not better than him, she shouldn't be, and Abby doesn't even gets some sort of character development in this new story, and the fact that the doctor and "the cure of humanity" situation is playing out again in the story when that story already played out at the first game and it should be done with already, I can't imagine as a player playing this game, how boring it would've been, we already have enough interaction and moments with Joel, this "better story" seems just like some sort of blinded by nostalgia fan fiction, that supposed to dick ride the Fanbase rather than making a good story for the game
Literally on the edge of my seat during your story. I feel so stupid, cuz I got really hyped for part 3 for a few minutes after the video and then remembered……the ACTUAL tlou2 story. Kylan was so cool….
For me it's not the fact that Joel died. It's the way he went out. Just straight up disrespectful. And then Ellie isn't allowed her revenge but Abby is.
lmao reading this demonstrates so strikingly that you have absolutely no idea what the game was aiming for, even though it didn’t really hit the mark.
@@glass-yuzu I know exactly what the lesson was. It was on empathy and how Revenge is bad. Yet let Abby get her bullshit revenge but Ellie lost everything when she pursued her own revenge after literally fighting through a fucking army to get it. Yet I had no idea what the game was aiming for?
@@glass-yuzu And you have no clear idea of how a good story is supposed to go. It's okay, we forgive you. Now go read more childrens books while the adults talk.
@@B_bang22the story was about forgiveness, a lot of you mix it with revenge is bad
@@glass-yuzu you are apart of only 3 thousand dislikes versus 64 thousand. I think you don’t understand.
This rewrite is incredible, this can easily be turned into a 30+ hour game which will be compelling all the way through and never stray away from the main story. I particularly liked element of the antibiotic cure and how it gives the player that shock surprise to know that people still have their awareness whilst being infected, this makes me remember when Sam tells Ellie in the first game that he thinks this is what happens and is terrified by it, and then to know that this is actually the case makes it extremely horrifying, It shows just how cruel the world of The Last of Us is, NOT by making the main characters unlikeable psychopaths and force you to play as them. The FEDRA Sergeant seems to be the only psychopathic character in your story however it is justified, he reminds me of Hugo Strange from Gotham.
now this is the sort of depressing game i can get into
This adaptation is WAYYY better
That addition to how the fungus works is EXACTLY how it works on ants. It only controls their muscles, the brains is left intact.
Holy shit, your story was beautiful, I was transfixed and an overwhelming sense of longing overtook me as I realised that this was the story I needed. In a sense I felt like I had closure after all these years of loving the first game, and despising the second. I felt, for lack of a better word, betrayed by the writers of the last of us 2, I felt as we and the characters didn't deserve what we got. Your story will be what I will be believing as canon from now on. Your description really made me feel like I was playing it. So thank you
Y'know what doesn't make sense to me regarding Abby's physique? The fact that she even bothered to get as big and strong as she is,when beanstalk Ellie over here,whose wrists look like they would snap from a firm handshake,can fight and kill people just as efficiently as her.
If anything I think it would have made more sense for Ellie to have a bigger physique,especially since in both games we get references to the fact that Ellie struggled with hunger while on her journey with Joel. You'd think that might have conditioned her to maybe put on a bit of extra mass in case she ever found herself in a situation like that again,but I guess not.
So there's no in-universe reason. Hell, she actually has *more* muscles than the generic big-strong melee-using enemies.
She was designed the way she was for stupid behind-the-scenes reasons to try and appeal to a specific audience. It's basically the same stuff like why Quiet from MGS5 is dressed in a bikini instead of The End's ghillie suit.
@crazyinsane500 I mean we do see the WLF base is well stocked with meat products and has a pretty nice gym,but that makes it even worse,because there is no other woman in the whole game who looks like Abby. There are physically strong women in the game like that one Scar lady that Abby fights to get her backpack back,but she isn't ripped like Abby. She is tall and bulky,like what an actual strong person would look like.
Abby is in the military
Ellie is a teenager in a random fortificated town in the middle of the mountains
I think that explains why Abby is more buff
@@evanorsomething909 Then why does nobody else in Abby's military group look as big as she is? Why don't the generic big-strong melee using enemies?
This man paid more respect to Joel than the man who created him.
@@smoker5989 It's been a mess up there for quite some time. Some of the greatest talent that helped cement the company left just before or during the production of this... thing.
If it is so then what is the reason of using flashbacks to say how Joel and Ellie are healing in their relationship or in Abby's section questioning that the way Abby killed Joel is wrong. It is not a game about paying respect to Joel as the world of Last of us is not defined in such way. It is presenting the Joel as Joel, not as a hero but as a man who has feelings for a girl
By that logic GRRM didn't care about Ned Stark. Its not about caring about a character, if you want fairy tale endings watch a disney movie. You think if theres a zombie apocalypse, your favorite person in the world is going to survive just because you care about them?
@Josh Cappaert pretty sure it was canon. Joels dead. Ellie lost her fingers. Abby lived. Get over it, there are more important things in life
@Josh Cappaert lmao you aren't a real fan. You just sound like a baby who didn't get his way. I play factions regularly and replayed the first game multiple times but please tell me why this game is terrible. And don't give me any bs like the developers sucked. I want specifics
Gonna be real with you chief, I got this video on my recommended section multiple times but avoided the video because it's nearly 2 hours long. I really wish I clicked sooner, not only was the review the best I've seen so far, the rewrite made me tear up 3 times and I wish it was canon.
Saaaame
Yeah. I felt that too.
Same here. I rather play his version of this game.
yo same
Yeah listening to this was such a fantastic journey. My hopes were raised then dashed with kyle.
Then he absolutely destroyed me with joel's death, I ugly cried at that.
i loved the part about the ex-clicker where she’s a given a piece of paper and she writes “kill me” on it. that is so haunting.
You deserve a writers seat for that because your rewrite was definitely more interesting than the game
The fact that this video made me appreciate The Last Of Us 2's story even more than before, Ellie calling Joel "dad" is so out of character for her, Dina betraying Ellie is so out of character for her, Abby not killing Joel because she's "better than him" is so out of character for her, because she's not better than him, she shouldn't be, and Abby doesn't even gets some sort of character development in this new story, and the fact that the doctor and "the cure of humanity" situation is playing out again in the story when that story already played out at the first game and it should be done with already, I can't imagine as a player playing this game, how boring it would've been, we already have enough interaction and moments with Joel, this "better story" seems just like some sort of blinded by nostalgia fan fiction, that supposed to dick ride the Fanbase rather than making a good story for the game
@@nehirsonmaz287Ellie calling Joel dad sure, that is out of character in his rewrite. But it wouldn´t "be out of character" for all the other ones because the characters you are thinking of no longer exist in his re-write. He changed them because they didnt really work for all of the issues he explained in the video.
@@nehirsonmaz287Also whats with you spamming this response everywhere in all the other replies?
I'm forever going to act like this is actually what happened in the game and no one can stop me
Same, I'll forever think that this is the true canon.
Honestly, I'm making this guy's version my cannon. This is what actually happened.
same dood
Savannah Fires same
Absolutely. The original just feels like a hollow shell in comparison.
This was a way better take and story than what we got
Yup, this happened
Holy shit dude. Ok, so I was one of the people who actually loved TLOU 2… but wow. This analysis is spot on and your rewrite is brilliant! That cure reveal scene gave me full body chills. Not a fan of the ending with Deena, but in all fairness, you did P2 better justice than the original writers. I hope the HBO showrunners do something similar to this version for season 2
Seriously late comment but oml you are an amazing writer, the way you completely turned it around and gave us 2 protagonists so worth fighting for, to the point you'd almost feel horrible regardless of who won in the end...
I was so immersed in the story and you really did the franchise justice, especially Ellie and Abby's characters!!
I almost cried with your ending. On the opposite side, I felt nothing after Joel's death in TLOU2 despite spending 20 hours caring for him in the first part.
Honestly, same. My favourite story section from the first one is the chicago section. You meet some strangers, start working together, get separated in an uncomfortable situation, trust them, get betrayed, then get saved by your betrayers later, earn genuine trust, and finally have to watch as one brother turns. The eldest shoots him, then himself because he didnt see a way of going on living. That alone is a better fucking story than the trainwreck of this fuckin game.
@@drexin7303 Isn't that Pittsburgh?
The last of us feels real. Everything is a little bleak and a little hopeful.
Part 2: torture porn
CBT PT II
Cock and ball torture.
@@fruze8478 chinese water torture
Sign me up
@@deadlyninja112 Joel died for that……lol
The best part about this rewrite is the fact the actual Last of us world moves along with the characters, in the original Last of us 2, my main problem is that basically we don't get or know anything about the world, how people are surviving, nothing advances, maybe the only thing is that the fireflies are regrouping, but other than that nothing
Literally the whole point of the way the story is getting you invested in getting revenge on Abby, climax, have you reset with Abby and be confused and angry. Slowly understanding her perspective and life.
This youtuber is legit sad how much he thinks his story would be more impactful. There are literally 85k 5 star ratings on the game. And while there are 65k 1 star ratings they are mostly copy past spam of hating the fact that Abby looks like a "trans" and Ellie was set on saving humanity with a cure to save humanity but instead became a lesbian and "can't reproduce. Fking demented shit
@@kyletotten1685lol what’s wrong with you? Relax
@@kyletotten1685so you admit to the objectively horrible pacing of the story thrn? Lol yes bro we all know what big druckmann was trying, ooh you, you pet the dog!! See? Abby good! Manny likes anime!
Except nobody cares. Most gamers don't want to drudge thru boring flashbacks and side quests just to see the climax. Just for the climax to be you beating up the character you want to win
lol the pacing wasn't bad at all you guys are just morons. never understand any nuance.. just Abby do bad ... hate. like a child@@Oilupimtherein5
so dense. you probably think Fast and the Furious is philosophical.@@Oilupimtherein5
I love the Idea of Joel’s gameplay with a prosthetic leg, maybe to couch to slower and louder due to him having to pull a crank of the knee, the player although being more brutal and powerful is slower and can’t dodge quite as effective as Ellie, it’s a perfect parallel to Ellie’s quick and fast gameplay but much weaker to Joel’s powerful but slow gameplay. Would love to experience that type of gameplay but alas only in this video I can imagine it. I also really liked the idea of the cure in your rewrite how it can cure people even if they’re a bloater or clicker and even though they’re cured and back to normal they’re sanity is all types of fucked and even facial scars or complete removal of faces from the fungus. Usually in zombie movies the cure just makes it so humans can’t turn but kills all the zombies so it’s refreshing to see a story where the cure also cures the infected but still doesn’t reverse the damage done by the fungus. Overall I really enjoyed the rewrite especially the inclusion of Joel being playable but his gameplay drastically changed so it’s not the same as the last game.
I feel so validated in not being the only one to deliberately let Ellie win.
Lol same. I was hoping for it to be the actual cutscene and that I'd be able to play as Ellie again.
the dark revelation of the true horror of the cordyceps infection is bone chilling!
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Imagine. Knowing you're killing your whole family while you're aware the whole time. It's literally a living hell.
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I fell victim of misjudging this video in the first 10 mins… I have to say this was incredibly well done. You’re an amazing story writer/teller. You have a great gift at connecting with the audience on an emotional level. It take a keen eye for understanding the human psyche to do what you just did. Bravo. Subscribing.
Still mad Ellie didn’t kill Abby and then look into the camera and exclaim “ Now I truly am the last of us.” A final wink into the camera would be chef’s kiss.
Jesus, i was more into that story than i can admit, how funny is it that im gonna treat this random video made by one dude as canon now.
Its honestly better if we just forget and take this as cannon tbh.
same, its really good like really good
I'm confused... I thought this was the game, I sent my 60$ to patreon and everything...
@@alencifps1535 well its not but gameplay wise its great so its not a total waste of money in my opinion
@@johny2811 It was a joke man XD, I was saying that this dude story is what the game should of been, hints the reason why I said 60$ to patreon
The part in the rewrite where Joel is revealed to have single-handedly killed the entire Scar camp would be a great nod to how much people love the character. Treat him like a badass, and don't spend the entire game kicking him like a wounded puppy.
Nah
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@TheUltimateGamer245 i mean....he kinda was, since we were playing him.
@TheUltimateGamer245 Did you forget he, abby, and ellie have killed armies on their own. Why would Joel doing it off screen be any different?
Joel did terrible things after Sarah. Dooming humanity is just the icing on the cake. In such a grounded story why are people so upset that his actions have consequences. Yes Joel is a badass, however he doesn't live in a Hollywood action world. His luck had to run out sooner or later
Excellent storytelling! I know nothing about the games, i just like the channel, but still highly enjoyed the video and the absolutely compelling story you wrote!
I think this take on the story is very well constructed, however, I think Ellie and Dina would require more justification for their ferocity of love, as otherwise, Ellie would not have as much motivation to disregard her own safety and commit to protecting Dina. This could also offer a scenario where Ellie demands that Joel listen to her this time and assist her in the rescue of Dina, offering him a morsel of redemption from his previously perceived selfishness. This also adds painful impact to the ending in my opinion, as it calls back to the previous game where Joel made a seemingly unforgivable decision, but it was in fact entirely because of his love for Ellie and complete disdain and mistrust for anyone else, as his cynicism seems much more justified. It also means the player experiences the confusion and anger of Ellie more vividly, as it adds another layer of anger that Joel actually did seem like he was changing, and it wasn’t just empty promises because he did agree to this endeavour, and Dina’s betrayal is so much more pointed because of it.
In addition, I think Abby deserves a more empathetic ending. Abby has great potential to be a beloved character, the original game just didn’t go about it very well. Her connection with Lev is one that did seem to resonate with the audience, especially considering its mirroring of Joel and Ellie’s relationship. I think it is a valuable tool in offering the character some hope in other people in the TLOU universe, juxtaposing Joel, Ellie and indeed the player’s tunnel vision of only protecting each other. It could even be used in a way to give backing to Druckmann’s intent on making a point about revenge, a very compelling theme. Abby, despite all her bloodshed and cruelty, could be given a shot at redemption in a character like Lev. Her reflection of Joel’s bloodthirstiness that he had even before he was fighting for Ellie could be shown. Her murder of Joel at the end in defense of a character like Lev that we actually like and consider somewhat innocent and requiring protection could serve as the moral lesson that Druckmann seemed to want to impose. Perhaps Joel is indeed killed by Abby, but he sees the error in his ways of seeking revenge on her and has a moment of clarity that other people in the world do in fact love and care about their loved ones just as much as he does. When Ellie finds him, this moment of wisdom could be shared, and Ellie could carry his flame of not only fierce determination and ferocity, but also his wisdom and love. By allowing Abby to live, it still offers an alternative perspective and a fresh feel to the series without destroying the previous commitments we made to the characters. Ellie can realise that even though Abby did kill Joel, she always hated Joel for good reason, but in the end she only killed him because he threatened Lev, just like Joel killed Abby’s father for threatening Ellie. I think it also offers the player some peace that is absent in the original game, knowing that Ellie and Joel fought to the end, and learnt a lot along the way, and it means Ellie leaves on a somber but meaningful note, instead of the rather pathetic abandonment she showed in the original game. It could also offer some insight into Dina’s decision to save Ellie herself. Dina making that decision was a repeat of Joel’s choice to save her in the first game, and maybe she would be able to see that after Joel’s final monologue. She learns a lesson about forgiveness that could extend to Dina and allow Ellie to have a more hopeful future ahead of her, and signifies a great leap in her maturity, one that Joel wasn’t able to achieve until his deathbed as his perspective was stunted so horribly by the state of the world he had lived in for 20+ years.
Great rewrite, only thing that I'd probably change is Abby's ending. Feels like she's a bit underused there. What if she survives her final encounter with Joel and sees him die and Ellie's anguish. Then she has that moment of realization that she's made another girl fatherless.
In doing that, you could set up a relationship between Ellie and Abby similar to Kyle (but obviously a little more heavy handed) in the sequel as Abby would probably know more about the General and potentially help, their relationship would be incredibly rocky at first but progress over the game to be at least a mutual respect. Plus dialogue between Abby and Dina after the events of the rewrite would be very interesting to hear.
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Nah.
Very good
How about just forgetting this game exist?
@@ashrimplecreature9210 They could even end up dating in part 3!! Because Dina's evil in this version, Ellie is still open for a love interest.
Lol your version is so good I could imagine some banter between them
Joel:"I've had worse odds "
Ellie:" you also had both your legs"
That's something Ellie would say for sure 😂
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Perfect
Sooooooo good lol
This is my head canon now