The mustang picks up more power with cams and tune than the Camaro. The ford can spin over 8k rpms with the right cam making power from 3500rpms to redline.
Freedom First as a 5.0 guy to the core that 6.4 Hemi is super impressive as well. Honestly people in general should consider themselves blessed to have any of the 3 options
Well then, I guess the antivenom for the toxic muscle car debate is a compliment to the other side. Nevermind, I see the antivenom was not effective on snek who still feels compelled to insult lol.
@@Chrislav7 Let's try again.... Your antivenom doesn't work on this snek's bite, ha haaaa. But seriously, no insult, just a better car for me, didn't like the Mustang at all.
This, it's all about what you prefer. I think the coyote wins out long term because when built properly, and maintained well, but still beaten to hell, the coyote ends up the most reliable long term when it's running at the limits of capability with just oil gears and a coolant crossover. And now we have redundant fuel systems.
Heh, bullshit. Even as a mopar guy, i can tell you that the 6.4 Hemi sucks. They are probably the worst built of the 3rd gen Hemi, which i usually find to be a great lineup. Idk what Chrysler did, but the internals on the 6.4 were garbage unless you left the thing stock. Edit: No one ever leaves the engines stock.
I’m honestly surprised to see the amount of people complimenting all three cars. Usually there’s a lot of fanboys tearing at each other about which is best. Maybe there is hope for friendly competition!
Even though I own a Scat, I really love what Ford did with the 5.0 I had for a couple of days...THAT was a thrill for sure....it didn't have as much low end but you can definitely feel the diet at highway pulls compared to my Charger....it revved and was pulling easy....i can see why people love them...but...im a sedan guy that loves space....
Another awesome sedan that's lighter but not as roomy is the lexus isf! I wanted a charger back then before I dug deeper a few years back and now I want the isf for sure! There is the newer and more spacious GSF but it gained a lot of weight similar to the charger so it loses that advantage. Also isf has been 30k plus for a 2012-2014 and it seems like it is increasing which is bad for an average father of 2 lol.
The 3rd gen coyote has more fuel system from factory then dodge or chevy since it's got 16 injectors. So it would be really easy to boost and not have to worry about fuel for a while. Gotta love direct and port injection systems.
@@danielhuycke3419 you will have to worry about compression and fuel type if you wanna throw more than, say, 7lbs at it, heck even 7lbs will be particularly hard on pump fuel that's isn't E85
@@Prestiged_peck Um no. Ive personally had a 5xr which was running 10 lbs of boost making 610 rwhp. Also had a gt350 making approx. 10 lbs of boost 767 rwhp. Plus there are dealerships who even offer whipple packages which I guarantee are making more than 7lbs
Absolutely. Im intrested in facts most. Opinions r good for certain things. Stats on paper dont mean shit to me. Manufacturers lie a lot. The way he explaned things was awesome.
No....the Coyote is high tech. Mopar and Chev pushrod engine designs from the 50s and it shows because the 5.0 litre eats 6.2 and 6.4 litre opposition on the road and he admits it Coyote doesn't have the low torque but it has everything else
I’m a mustang fan, I don’t hate the others but actually like them too, and the coyote is my personal favorite engine ever. I just love the sound and modifications for it
James Sneed they are only making 1,970 for the fiftieth anniversary. I was lucky enough to see it at the unveiling at a dodge hosted party the opening morning of the LA auto show
@RacerX you should trade your wife's 19 model in for a 50th Anniversary... Be a nice little upgrade. Plus I love how the shaker is painted to match on the 50 Anny but what I love most are those gorgeous wheels!!!!
Whats impressive is Fords 5.0 coyote is way smaller displacement than the others yet competes with them neck n neck with hp tq #s! N sounds nasty! All r badass tho
The 5.0 is a hit tech DOHC and ford should have put it in the focus RS--instead of the 4 cylinder Turbo that are blowing up and needing massive repairs already
It's all about the higher Revs. The only problem with racing with an engine that has a higher rev limit is the engines wear out much faster than a standard push rod.
Haven’t watched the video yet. The answer is the 6.2 if you want the most reliable motor capable of making the most power by throwing money at it. If you want the one that has the most character, it’s the Coyote. If you want the one that that combines character and reliability in one, and you plan on NEVER touching the power, it’s the 6.4. As usual, depends on use case.
I’ve owned a 6th gen SS, driven many 5.0’s and now own a Scatpack Charger. I will say the SS is the most stable out of all 3. The 5.0 does have good top end but while driving it I didn’t seem secure. The scatpack is a family/muscle car with a lot of power to have fun in. If I could I would own the 6th gen ZL1 for weekends and a scatpack Charger to daily.
C Wood right I’ve owned the 2017 5.0 pp and that thing felt loose and unfinished. Not only is the Camaro a better chassis but the torque and reliability you get from a LT1 can’t be beat.
Damn man you gotta be part of a select population that has owned all three. That’s awesome. Btw I got an SS and I love getting in that thing everyday and my one life goal is to get that zl1 🤣
I feel like your first catagory ended up being more "Parts availability" than actual ease of modification. When it comes to actually turning a wrench on these motors I have to say the LT1 is a bit easier than the 5.0 - LT1 is a simpler design. Biggest downside is a cam swap, but there are ways to do it without having to rear the entire engine down or dropping the motor. The 6.4 is a nightmare to work on by comparison. The 6.4 and LT1 feel quite similar torque wise down low which I chalk up to weight difference - slight edge to the 6.4 but it's not drastic. The 5.0 is a blast when you run the engine out and keep it revved - just feels like a relaxing cruise gettin it to the sweet spot in the rev range (by comparison) The 6.4 is certainly designed in a manner which makes any meaningful modification an expensive task. While I commend the engineering that was involved in making the engine I also look at it as a fault. Dollar for dollar the 5.0 and LT1 can easily gain impressive hp and torque gains fairly cheaply, which due to their weight advantages puts the 6.4 at the disadvantage. Off the lot in their stock forms, in my experience, the Camaro takes the win for slicing the twisty mountain roads and road courses, Challenger takes the win for drag strip fun and games, Mustang is a nice weekend car - it's motor can be a ton of fun but the steering and suspension is numb and running the motor out to it's power range makes the fun rarely street legal. I haven't driven the new GT500 but I hear they have improved the feel from the steering and chassis. Hopefully that trickles down to the lower trims someday and they'd have one fun trackday pony car. And finally the Challenger takes the clear win for nostalgia. Car looks the part and feels the part of the American muscle it is meant to call back to.
" I haven't driven the new GT500 but I hear they have improved the feel from the steering and chassis." The GT500 is reported to have an excellent handling chassis.
@@chadingram6390 that is actually the ZL1 1LE, and it's track times are a testament to that. I've actually never heard anyone praise the GT350 for being the better handling so I'm not sure where you're getting "widely" from.
Camaro owner here but have to give credit where it is due, the Coyotes are something else to make that much power and be that modifiable. That being said my favorite engine that Ford makes is definitely the 5.2 Voodoo on the GT350R. It throws out an exhaust note that I’m just in love with!
Good luck fitting it between the fender wells the 5.0 is the biggest in outside size of these three and absolutely stuffed in the new 2020 mustang making working on it a joy I'm sure a 427 ci of this engine would be even wider than this 5.0 that's why fords 2020 7.3 engine is completely different two valves per cylinder and a more conventional or older style design with one camshaft but l think it actually smaller in size on the outside than the 5.0 coyote but 460 cubic inches and it makes some serious low end torque
A 427 coyote would be taller for the longer stroke crank and wider to accommodate the bigger bore pistons therefore the block would also need to be taller and wider to accommodate the crank and pistons so much so making it impossible to fit in the existing mustang unless the hood was 3+ inches higher and the chassis was 8+ inches wider for it to fit the 5.0 is already stuffed in and already a very very tight fit
the little motor that could...the (terminator) 32valve 4.6 is my favorite as well as the FORD H.O. 5liter ohv. it still amazes me how FORD pulls that much horsepower out of a small displacement. GO FORD💙
I have drove all 3. Out of all 3 when I had the 5.0 it was a crazy loose fun drive. The LT1 felt stable and all around well balanced to me. Now the first time I drove the 6.4 it felt like torque planted to the ground and loved it. But wish I could have all 3 depending on how I want to drive lol all 6 speed manual
Fantastic comparison and video. I was stuck between the Scat and the Coyote and ended up getting a 19 GT after test driving. Both engines are BADASS to say the least
Fantastic? He intentionally glossed over the Gen V LT engine, jumped right to factually incorrect "downsides", glossed over factual downsides of the Coyote, and then did a quick mention of the Mopar 6.4. The Gen V LT 6.2 is still cheaper by far to modify than a 5.0L Coyote (1 cam vs 6, 16 valves vs 32, 1 short timing chain vs a mile of timing chain, 1 cam phaser vs 4, 16 direct fuel injectors vs 16 port + 16 direct, etc). That's ignoring the limitations of a 3rd gen Coyote block which doesn't have steel cylinder liners but instead an inferior spray-in liner that they decided to do in-house instead of using the German company that pioneered the technique and did it on previous Ford V8 designs.
Did he just say that the LT didn’t have other platforms “to waterfall from”? Is he nuts? The LT1 is the same platform as the DI 5.3L that’s in hordes of 1/2 ton SUV/trucks, the DI 6.2L in everything from high end 1/2 tons to 1 tons, Supercharged LT4 in ZL1/ZO6/CTSV, and LT5 in the ZR1. Its more prolific than the Coyote thanks to Ford using Ecoboost V6 in full size trucks. Plus, there’s 3 generations of Coyote engines since 2011 and a number of parts don’t interchange between the gens. Meanwhile the interchangeability between the LT architecture is much greater. IOW, not only does it the LT design in many more platforms than the Coyote, it also has the biggest aftermarket support and better interchangeability.
I’m a Ford guy and I agree LS/LT motors have definitely more availability of parts, BUT the Coyote has more variation because it is purely for racing. Mustang’s aftermarket community has always had everything available from the S197 to the S550. In any case, I think for the factors. 1. SS, 2. Hemi 3. GT, 4. Hemi, 5. GT. GT still wins.
Help Me lol More variation? I don’t see how it has more when variety is implied with availability. Plus, the Coyote is used in trucks as well, so it’s not “purely for racing”.
ChuckO Because the Chevy parts come from old Express vans and other non-sport lineup. They’re basically stock parts. The only performance parts the Camaro can get from other Chevys are from Corvettes, Cadillacs, and upper trim Camaros. And these are only performance parts from the factory. Mustangs have a wide variety of aftermarket parts because the engine itself is dedicated for performance application. The F150 Coyote is very different from the Mustang Coyote. Just like the 2JZ in the Supra and Lexus IS350 or the VQ35 in the G35 and EX35.
Place the 392 Engine in a car that Curb Weights in the same weight rang as that s550 & that gen6 Alpha chassis, and the car would be an 11.1 car on stock power & a Drag pack.. Place the stock power LT1 & the Coyote engine’s into the chassis of the 4400lb Challenger & the car will be SLOWER.. Stock for Stock, the 392 is a better engine, but Mod for Mod, the Coyote is the BEST ENGINE OUT OF THESE TREE.
T U its not just the engine , its all about transmission in gral , gearing of the trans etc etc , its all in the package of the powertrain .If you want to see which of the 3 engines is more efficient you have dive into engineering , like friction loss , Qin vs Qout , dyno just the engine , and basically make a complex Dynamic analysis,Reminds me of my days at Univerisity of Mechanical Engineering , “Thermodynamics , Yunus Cengel” “Heat Transfer , Yunus Cengel”
Viages 7693 all that is a given that should go without say when referencing these 3 cars. Each of them have exceptionally quick shifting Automatics (A8 & A10) & each of them are rear drive front engine N/A High performance V8’s. It’s not complicated at all. The MAIN POINT is these Stock Power SP 392 Challengers with an A8 are mid 11sec cars on a set of DR’s.. I’m telling you for a FACT, if you were to the place a Stock Power Coyote in that SP Challenger it would NOT run a mid 11 1/4mile because the Coyote doesn’t have the Wonderful Torque of the 392! To help mask the Curb weight of the car. But if you placed a Stock Power 392 Engine into the A10 equipped s550, that car if on a set of DR’s would run an 11Flat if not slightly quicker. Stock! Non modded! Engine for Engine, the 392 “IS” the better Engine. It just so happed to be stuck inside of a car that weighs over 500lbs more than the Mustang & the Camaro. Place all 3 Engines on a “ENGIN DYNO” (not on a chassis dyno) and the 392 on 93octane will show to be a 495-500HP/480-490TQ engine.. the LT1 & the Coyote will NOT make that Power
T U yeah , I got your point and its valid , but for me as an engineer things are not so easy , are numerous factors to consider before saying X engine is better , engines are just “thermal machines” and nowadays calibration and technology plays a huge factor and can make them more efficient( more power , more low end torque , fuel efficient etc etc) another factor is pushrod vsDOHC , again , valid your point of view👍
Just got my 2020 2SS as well. Got the Magnetic Ride control and dual mode exhaust, among a few other options. Absolutely love it. Upgraded from a 2015 Camaro 2SS.
That's because the Ford mill is a DOHC design, four valves per cylinder. Overhead cam motors are taller and often wider than pushrod motors, to name one example.
I've not driven the 2020 Challenger but the Camaro is my pick due to the stability and muscle car feel. It feels like a car that can be pushed without the worry of crashing. The mustangs do have a problem with stability in my opinion. The coyote does take boost well but the 6.2 also makes a ton of power when boosted also.
These fool don't know shit about chevrolet LT style small block push rod V8 that's y they just talk.US gear head know that the LT is better and cheper to build and upgrade for what ever chevrolet vehicle u can think of to LT swipe it.Just like the LS
I just bought a new 2020 Camaro ss 1le and my buddy has a scat pack 6.4 challenger 6spd manual. They both are nice cars. All mustangs guys I know have the terminator cobras which are cool also.
@Cole Jones The only advantage of the LT4, is that its supercharged. Great engine, but nothing overly unique about it. You could just as easily supercharger either the Coyote, or Hemi and drop it into about anything as well.
One of the categories should have been which motor takes boost the best. I think in this category you'd see a stock coyote can make way more hp safely boosted than the hemi or LT1. A gen 2 or gen 3 coyote can safely make 800-850rwhp with stock internals.
I have owned 5 Mustangs including several of the orginal 5.0 (302 OHV), an LT1 Impala SS, a Camaro SS (my sister), and 4 hemis including a 6.1 but no 6.4. First question is are you modding? If so, the hemi loses out. But stock, I think it is the strongest engine by far. Of course it usually is saddled in cars that weigh hundreds more than the Ford or Chevy so it often ends up 3rd in a race! I love all 3 motors You can't go wrong
GM LS,LT motors are proven,u can't take a junkyard or high mileage Ford Coyote,Dodge motor and put 20lbs,30lbs of boost to them and they live,give me a break,today people like something they will ignore truths and facts that contradict their beliefs! GM for the win!
Adam Brooks 😂😂😂😂 20-30psi of boost. Let me guess, your buddy’s dad’s cousin’s cousin has a boosted stock block running 30 psi. Stop it. You could have stopped at “GM LS/LT motors are proven” but you had to be silly and pulled numbers out your ass.
@@driveshift U know what amazes me? U freaking idiots who dont probably own a LS,or LT motor at all,or never have and probably dont even like GM,now this is old news guy,its been several tests done between Ford,Dodge,and GM u got to be stupid ,oh I forgot no one reads they just go off of what other jerks tell them,iron ls motors have taken 20,30 lbs of boost for a limited time during the tests,no one said u can get a full race season out of them, u also can get 1400 hp out of the gen5 Lt1s aluminum blocks,can't do it with Ford or Dodge!
I have a 2021 LT1 since April. They all are such cool cars. They have such distinct character. Just as X says all awesome cars. Im really happy with mine. The weight was also a consideration for me.
Gen 3 coyote has both port and direct injection. Total 16 injectors. Plus 4 cams plus 4 valves per cylinder. Tech advantage should slightly go to ford . Otherwise agree on everything else you said 👍
well ford and dodge made it to the 8s on the 1/4 mile on stock unopened engines with power adders.....and chevy needs head and cam work to be in the 8s
@@CM-maga why do people in maitas rx7s and every other car swap in ls1 and lt4s. and pretty soon they will be swapping in these new engines. wait a few years and watch.......nobody swaps in a Ford. buy a used taxi or ex police car. their trash! i would buy a used chevy engine without question. allday everyday chevy is better than ford is.
thisguy177 never said ones better then the other. Just said the new camero is so ugly it’s a face only a mother could love.. and you say “taxis, and ex police cars” you mean a crown Vic? There pretty tough have you seen what cleetus does with all his at the freedom factory. So Because people swap junkyard motors into ricers that makes them better? Lol nice you seen the new Silverado’s pretty ugly too lol
So true about the high revs and how impressive the 5.0 is considering it’s smaller displacement. I love my 14 5.0 and it’s fbo e85. I easily gapped my friends fbo e85 scat pack. Haven’t raced my other buddies fbo e85 camaro yet some issues with tuning. This is definitely the 5.0s era. 2000s-10s was the Chevy LS era for sure
It goes without saying that you really hit the bullseye on this video . There's really no way to go wrong in any of these platforms , however, one must know what their intentions with the cars are . Hemis are monster from light to light , that being said a 392 owner should not expect to challenge a 5.0 10spd on an open freeway . Preciate the content in these times brother , what was the sticker price on the 50th Scat ?
A very fair assessment . I am a Mustang guy and own a stage 3 Roush . Between those 3 particular cars , i would pick the scat pack widebody , it is the best looking by far .
Coyote is a high revving DOHC with a ton of moving parts. These motors will blow up if you get down hard on it. Needs mods if your going to track it. The LT1 is a very strong motor pushrod design. Big lower for crazy torque and very reliable. Must use a quality motor oil and use a catch can but this is my motor of choice. The 6.4 has to be basically stock with bolt ons. You do an E85 or light boost and bye bye pistons and possibly the block. Lt1 for the win in my opinion.another great video. Thank you for all you do.
Anthony Costa Chevy for sure allows you to play around with the motor which is why people LS/LT swap their cars all the time. Take a look at the RX7 market, they Ls swap all the time
Lol dude what?? The coyote is a DOHC with a short stroke and forged internals. It's literally MADE to be rung out, please tell me how a high revving motor is prone to blowing up? There's literally thousands of videos on TH-cam with people throwing twin turbos and whipple setups on the coyote and running perfectly fine without supporting mods.
@@demiurgeobzen327 happens all the time, the 5.2 in the GT350 is slightly more prone to problems - even with a slew of more forged parts. The Coyote has a forged crank and connecting rods, unlike the internals in the 5.2. So you're not completely accurate here. Warranty and service data shows the 5.0 and 5.2 have higher failure rates than the LT1 and 6.4 Hemi. Same can't be said for the 5.7 hemi though, Dodge still hasn't addressed the lifter bearing issues to my knowledge.
@@silverfox392 Well They could possibly have a higher fail rate because they're pushed harder, have a higher production number and have been around longer. So the numbers can look a little skewed due to the fact that there's more coyotes on the road than LT1s or SRT 392s. You also have to take into consideration that the 6.4 392 isnt exactly an engine that gets modded alot considering the plethora of issues that could happen of you do. As a current owner of a 15 Scatpack and a former owner of a 16 S550, I'd take my s550 any day of the week for mods. But for everyday comfort and fun factor the 6.4 reigns supreme.
@@demiurgeobzen327 are you referring to the 5.8 ? If so you are right. I am talking about the 5.0.. I am just not a fan. There top heavy and have 4 timing chains? Correct me if I am wrong. Don't get me wrong ford makes good engines but I prefer the nearly bullet proof LS and LT design chevy engines. That being said I will one day buy a new mustang gt and mod it. The exhaust sound is killer.
Uh... no it wasn't. He intentionally glossed over the Gen V LT engines and made up so ignorant BS about cost of upgrades vs the LS. The cost difference is tiny, particularly compared to any generation of the Coyote. A cam upgrade for a Gen V LT engine is 1 cam.... compared to 4 for any generation of the Coyote. Cam phaser is 1 vs 4. The Coyote uses a mile of timing chain vs the Gen V LT's short chain. The Coyote has a widely known issue with the oil pump being brittle vs the Ford Racing version of the pump. Yep. When Ford takes 5.0L Coyotes from the engine line to turn them into official Ford Racing 5.0L Coyote's, they pull the factory oil pump off and throw it into the trash, replacing it with an upgraded billet oil pump since even they know the factory oil pump is a major threat to warranty costs. It was anything but "fiar and balanced". It was a Ford guy pretending to be unbiased yet he glossed over the most obvious competitor and then jumped to the 6.4 Hemi which is held back by CAFE and EPA regulations.
I'm not that old I'm 23 and been knowing about cars since 18 but from my experience. The camaro engine is good for lower mid rpm power but u have to put work in the motor to daily drive it if you put a blower The 6.4 preety much comes already to it's full potential from factory. if u wana add a blower u will have to get forged internals or else it will blow on you even at low psi. The 5.0 is good in every single aspect and u can daily it without having to forge the Motor or much after you add a blower. But the bad thing is the lack of torque and response but once ur in those higher rpms u preety much can beat any car if ur boosted
I got disappointed after I broke in my 5.0 It was my 1st muscle car and I expected to be pulled back in the seat but I wasn't I honestly think my g35 sedan felt almost as torquey as the stang so thats bad . This Friday I'm looking at a charger
Chris Hansen LT1 does the same without E85 and it’s way lighter in a way lighter car so yea. Boost and straight like racing=5.0 . N/A reliability low end torque and cornering ability =6.2
The only thing that the Jaguar 5.0 wins is the technology. Hemi wins the rest. And yes, the Coyote is a Jaguar 5.0 that Ford used as its platform to build the engine.
I feel the silver wheels will come back soon. Too many black wheels are the norm now. So many now that having silver sets you apart. It’s gotten that bad.
Black wheels just disappear when you're more than 12 ft away - and then the tires follow suit - and from 30 feet away you have a nice car sitting on 4 black holes ....
I think single cab ram 1500s are faster than the rt’s I had one for awhile with the 5.7 and dear god that thing was fast as hell especially for a truck
Once you throw boost at them all you really see some differences. Those coyotes have been 8s in the quarter in the 150 + mph in a truck yet! and only upgraded interal grades are opg and head stud making 1100 whp. Not likely going to last long but wow dont think anyone else is even close. On stock rotating assembly
I have to give credit where it's due. The Coyote motor is the best out of all 3. I wish Chevy would have designed a similar engine to it to power the Vettes and Maros with. LT1 is more for cost savings (for manufacturer), compact design, and low end torque.
Have a Camaro at home, buddy had a Challenger and now has a Mustang, hands down motor the 5.0 rules and the Mustang is so much better everywhere else as well. The Challenger torque is a ton of fun as it just breaks tires effortlessly but it feels like a truck motor as it doesn't pull up top and you constantly hit the low rev limiter as you want to stay in it but it won't go there. The 5.0 is a world and a generation (more like 3 or 4 generations as they have been doing the cammers since the 90s) above the rest and the Mustang is just a better chassis, interior etc... To each their own though, all fun choices
Good video but it felt a little biased towards the dodge, the best engine out of the 3 is the 5.0, just because of the design duel overhead cams and four valves per cylinder and direct injection you are going to get more power per liter and get more power on the same mods. It’s just better engineering.
actually the coyote 5.0 has a dual EFI system meaning it uses both port and direct injection ... wich really impressed me after i broke in my 2018 gt perfomance pack 2 i took a road trip to pikes peak colorado from jacksonville fl for a vacation and was getting close to 30 mpg on the highway with cruise on with the 6 speed manual
@@Lafoochen 1000 miles and sadly no ford offered my just under 32k with 40k miles on it .. was gona be needing a clutch and break job plus i needed a truck so i said SOLD about a year ago
I'd personally and preferably can go for the Mustang GT 5.0 performance package 1, because of how it's reasonably priced and how light the curb weight of the vehicle is and with the performance it brings.
The 5.0 is physically bigger than the other 2 and more expensive to fix because it has a lot more parts in it. But I still like all 3 but I chose the 17' Camaro SS 6 speed. Love this car.
Objective? He was obviously a Ford fanboy that glossed over Gen V LT 6.2's and falsely claimed their downpoint is cost of upgrading compared to a 5.0 Coyote that requires 4 times as many cams and phasers, twice as many valves and lash adjusters, an upgraded non-factory oil pump, and other upgrades in order to address weak points. He is clearly a Ford boy and avoided mentioning all the serious issues associated with the Gen 3 Coyote, including the brittle oil pump, timing chain stretch, cam phaser issues, etc.
First video of yours I have watched. Excellent, factual, unbiased assessment of all 3 great engines. I agree with every single statement. You've got a new sub.
@@RacerX9 It's what sold my wife on a Hellcat Charger. Yes it was powerful....but the adaptive suspension is what actually closed the deal for her. And I have to admit, while I like the rough and tumble ride usually of fixed suspension (I'm a glutton for punishment).....both the upper end American performance cars have some form of it, but they aren't tuned as well. SRT guys did a great job with the Bilsteins. I've been pleased.
love the unbiased assessment.. each motor has a place in different peoples garage. die hard ford fan but the hemi seems like it would be best for me. the 5.0 would benefit from boost and redlining but i dont think i would do that very often. with that being said the 6.4 hemi would fit my driving style and preference best but wouldn’t be able to bring myself to do it cause the s550 looks absolutely stunning
Im trading in my 5.7 hemi challenger for either a GT350, hellcat, or I'm going scatpack shaker. It's way too much to cam, headers, supercharger, and then new transmission to get the power. The SS is not bad at all I just don't like the car too much, but what a wonderful time to be able to own cars like this!
Best to boost-5.0l
Best to cam-6.2l
Best to leave stock-6.4l
Best to boost-5.0
Best to cam-6.2
Best to add nitrous-6.4
SloMango on point
The mustang picks up more power with cams and tune than the Camaro. The ford can spin over 8k rpms with the right cam making power from 3500rpms to redline.
Spiritcr1jsher with no torque under 4K rpm
@@slomango7927 it has plenty torque under 4k , only like 30lbs less than the chevy . Who races under 4k ? Lol
I'm a MOPAR guy to the core, but that true 5.0L "Coyote " engine is really impressive!
Freedom First as a 5.0 guy to the core that 6.4 Hemi is super impressive as well. Honestly people in general should consider themselves blessed to have any of the 3 options
For a long time I've been a "Ford guy", when it came time to get a good car I went Mopar.
Well then, I guess the antivenom for the toxic muscle car debate is a compliment to the other side.
Nevermind, I see the antivenom was not effective on snek who still feels compelled to insult lol.
@@Chrislav7 Let's try again....
Your antivenom doesn't work on this snek's bite, ha haaaa.
But seriously, no insult, just a better car for me, didn't like the Mustang at all.
Yeah I love Mopar with a passion but I love the new body style and don’t understand why people throw dirt on Mustang GT smh
Ford 5.0L is actually a dual-fuel engine. It has direct and port injection to get the benefits of both.
I believe that only started with the Gen 3 in 2018 so it's understandable why he would miss it.
Hopefully they there in a higher volume pump as well.
WhatIWant they threw*
He looked at a 2020 it has dual port and direct even says it on the window sticker.
i think gm started that on there engines to in 2014 to.. i think?
Honestly none of these engines are a “bad” option. They’re all great!
This, it's all about what you prefer. I think the coyote wins out long term because when built properly, and maintained well, but still beaten to hell, the coyote ends up the most reliable long term when it's running at the limits of capability with just oil gears and a coolant crossover. And now we have redundant fuel systems.
Yeah we know 😂
Yes they are in their own ways too! People argue for nothing
Heh, bullshit. Even as a mopar guy, i can tell you that the 6.4 Hemi sucks. They are probably the worst built of the 3rd gen Hemi, which i usually find to be a great lineup. Idk what Chrysler did, but the internals on the 6.4 were garbage unless you left the thing stock.
Edit: No one ever leaves the engines stock.
I’m a Chevy guy and own a 2019 maro SS but that 5.0 engine can take boost up the ass and those cars move
It's rare to see a maro owner compliment the mustang. We need more people like you in the car community.
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Yea man them FeRdS are stout
Well they do move off the road sideways well.
@@snek9353 everytime that left rear tire wants to do it's own thing. Hops its ass off.
5.0 has a really fun power band that I’m in love with.
I’m honestly surprised to see the amount of people complimenting all three cars. Usually there’s a lot of fanboys tearing at each other about which is best. Maybe there is hope for friendly competition!
Right loll
No, people are generally assholes..
5.0 Till Death
Even though I own a Scat, I really love what Ford did with the 5.0 I had for a couple of days...THAT was a thrill for sure....it didn't have as much low end but you can definitely feel the diet at highway pulls compared to my Charger....it revved and was pulling easy....i can see why people love them...but...im a sedan guy that loves space....
JG Scatpack392 #MoparOrNoCar
@@bigkev870 yep 💪🏼😎
Another awesome sedan that's lighter but not as roomy is the lexus isf! I wanted a charger back then before I dug deeper a few years back and now I want the isf for sure! There is the newer and more spacious GSF but it gained a lot of weight similar to the charger so it loses that advantage. Also isf has been 30k plus for a 2012-2014 and it seems like it is increasing which is bad for an average father of 2 lol.
Just imagine a RWD 5.0 Fusion
Yacht club💪🔥
The 5.0 was port injected until about 2018 where they switched to dual injection. A very important detail ya forgot.
Pretty sure it has both.
I just had this decision to make. Drove all 3 and ended up getting the 2020 challenger shaker and I absolutely love it
Great choice.. we love ours as well 👍
pottedmeek good choice, great car for the value
Make sure you apply rubber treatment to the seal on the hood.
same for me, i went with 392 shaker, coyote is fast and revvy but low end torque is what you enjoy all day..
Congrats
The 3rd gen coyote has more fuel system from factory then dodge or chevy since it's got 16 injectors. So it would be really easy to boost and not have to worry about fuel for a while. Gotta love direct and port injection systems.
100% though you have to either find a way to drop static compression or go to high octane fuels to boost a 12:1 motor.
@@Prestiged_peck lots of people boost these cars with no issue
@@danielhuycke3419 you will have to worry about compression and fuel type if you wanna throw more than, say, 7lbs at it, heck even 7lbs will be particularly hard on pump fuel that's isn't E85
@@Prestiged_peck Um no. Ive personally had a 5xr which was running 10 lbs of boost making 610 rwhp. Also had a gt350 making approx. 10 lbs of boost 767 rwhp. Plus there are dealerships who even offer whipple packages which I guarantee are making more than 7lbs
They run 100 power from factory. Dodge and chevy only using 85 percent of power plants power!
He dropped straight facts! Respects all three platforms ✊🏾. Gotta love the content
Absolutely. Im intrested in facts most. Opinions r good for certain things. Stats on paper dont mean shit to me. Manufacturers lie a lot. The way he explaned things was awesome.
No....the Coyote is high tech. Mopar and Chev pushrod engine designs from the 50s and it shows because the 5.0 litre eats 6.2 and 6.4 litre opposition on the road and he admits it Coyote doesn't have the low torque but it has everything else
Yes. All 3 are amazing cars. People need to stop with the bias.
I just love that all three of these cars are available at the same time.
I’m a mustang fan, I don’t hate the others but actually like them too, and the coyote is my personal favorite engine ever. I just love the sound and modifications for it
That 50th anniversary Challenger looks bad to the bone.
Yes sir.. that thing looks bad to the bone
Sure does! Those wheels are sexy!
James Sneed they are only making 1,970 for the fiftieth anniversary. I was lucky enough to see it at the unveiling at a dodge hosted party the opening morning of the LA auto show
I was lucky enough to see number 1 of 70 on the green widebody.. dealership asking 63k.
@RacerX you should trade your wife's 19 model in for a 50th Anniversary... Be a nice little upgrade. Plus I love how the shaker is painted to match on the 50 Anny but what I love most are those gorgeous wheels!!!!
The 3rd gen Coyote from 2018+ has dual fuel system. Port and direct injection which gives you the best of both worlds.
Port injection is there to clean the valves.
Also it roars much better than the rest.
I think the 6.2 LT1 is the best motor
Thank you for your cooperation. I enjoy my GT!
Whats impressive is Fords 5.0 coyote is way smaller displacement than the others yet competes with them neck n neck with hp tq #s! N sounds nasty! All r badass tho
The 5.0 is a hit tech DOHC and ford should have put it in the focus RS--instead of the 4 cylinder Turbo that are blowing up and needing massive repairs already
@@khronin I don't think they could fit a V8 into a fwd. Even mounted sideway.
It's all about the higher Revs. The only problem with racing with an engine that has a higher rev limit is the engines wear out much faster than a standard push rod.
The RS is AWD
The 5.0 is larger and heavier than the lt1
Haven’t watched the video yet. The answer is the 6.2 if you want the most reliable motor capable of making the most power by throwing money at it. If you want the one that has the most character, it’s the Coyote. If you want the one that that combines character and reliability in one, and you plan on NEVER touching the power, it’s the 6.4.
As usual, depends on use case.
I’ve owned a 6th gen SS, driven many 5.0’s and now own a Scatpack Charger. I will say the SS is the most stable out of all 3. The 5.0 does have good top end but while driving it I didn’t seem secure. The scatpack is a family/muscle car with a lot of power to have fun in. If I could I would own the 6th gen ZL1 for weekends and a scatpack Charger to daily.
C Wood right I’ve owned the 2017 5.0 pp and that thing felt loose and unfinished. Not only is the Camaro a better chassis but the torque and reliability you get from a LT1 can’t be beat.
Damn man you gotta be part of a select population that has owned all three. That’s awesome. Btw I got an SS and I love getting in that thing everyday and my one life goal is to get that zl1 🤣
I drove all three and I was looking for a Precision instrument and that was the Camaro2SS
I feel like your first catagory ended up being more "Parts availability" than actual ease of modification. When it comes to actually turning a wrench on these motors I have to say the LT1 is a bit easier than the 5.0 - LT1 is a simpler design. Biggest downside is a cam swap, but there are ways to do it without having to rear the entire engine down or dropping the motor. The 6.4 is a nightmare to work on by comparison.
The 6.4 and LT1 feel quite similar torque wise down low which I chalk up to weight difference - slight edge to the 6.4 but it's not drastic. The 5.0 is a blast when you run the engine out and keep it revved - just feels like a relaxing cruise gettin it to the sweet spot in the rev range (by comparison)
The 6.4 is certainly designed in a manner which makes any meaningful modification an expensive task. While I commend the engineering that was involved in making the engine I also look at it as a fault. Dollar for dollar the 5.0 and LT1 can easily gain impressive hp and torque gains fairly cheaply, which due to their weight advantages puts the 6.4 at the disadvantage.
Off the lot in their stock forms, in my experience, the Camaro takes the win for slicing the twisty mountain roads and road courses, Challenger takes the win for drag strip fun and games, Mustang is a nice weekend car - it's motor can be a ton of fun but the steering and suspension is numb and running the motor out to it's power range makes the fun rarely street legal. I haven't driven the new GT500 but I hear they have improved the feel from the steering and chassis. Hopefully that trickles down to the lower trims someday and they'd have one fun trackday pony car.
And finally the Challenger takes the clear win for nostalgia. Car looks the part and feels the part of the American muscle it is meant to call back to.
BC Jordan I completely agree. Well said.
" I haven't driven the new GT500 but I hear they have improved the feel from the steering and chassis."
The GT500 is reported to have an excellent handling chassis.
The gt350 is widely considered the best handling of all the pony cars
@@chadingram6390 that is actually the ZL1 1LE, and it's track times are a testament to that. I've actually never heard anyone praise the GT350 for being the better handling so I'm not sure where you're getting "widely" from.
@@jhrsjhrs that's what I said 🤔
Drove all 3 and got my 18' mustang GT premium performance pack with a 6 spd love the top end on this car
Have fun with the MT82, I speak from personal experience unfortunately
@@hsucduw i already feel it lmao 4th gear acting sus
If you're gonna go mustang go automatic
Ryan Dono grabbed a 2019 myself. PP1 6spd. Love it
Tuna No Crust I’ve heard they can have issues. So far so good; but it’s inevitable it sounds like
Camaro owner here but have to give credit where it is due, the Coyotes are something else to make that much power and be that modifiable. That being said my favorite engine that Ford makes is definitely the 5.2 Voodoo on the GT350R. It throws out an exhaust note that I’m just in love with!
I will take the 6.2 hands down!
5.0 baby!
Yep I went from a crammed ss to a 5.0 and love the 5.0 so much better.so much fun to drive going through the gears
Cammed not freakin crammed!
I own a 2017 Mustang Gt coyote nitrous and I love it
Would love to see Ford produce a 427 c.i. naturally aspirated Coyote. :>)
Good luck fitting it between the fender wells the 5.0 is the biggest in outside size of these three and absolutely stuffed in the new 2020 mustang making working on it a joy I'm sure a 427 ci of this engine would be even wider than this 5.0 that's why fords 2020 7.3 engine is completely different two valves per cylinder and a more conventional or older style design with one camshaft but l think it actually smaller in size on the outside than the 5.0 coyote but 460 cubic inches and it makes some serious low end torque
A 427 coyote would be taller for the longer stroke crank and wider to accommodate the bigger bore pistons therefore the block would also need to be taller and wider to accommodate the crank and pistons so much so making it impossible to fit in the existing mustang unless the hood was 3+ inches higher and the chassis was 8+ inches wider for it to fit the 5.0 is already stuffed in and already a very very tight fit
The other manufacturers would quit 😂
@@gloriamaletta8667 5.0 is a modular motor this 7.3 engine would be a pushrod just like the lt1 and hemi basically
They just came out with a 7 liter. Which is a 427. Just in the trucks right now. But give them time. I'm sure someone at Ford will say hey!
the little motor that could...the (terminator) 32valve 4.6 is my favorite as well as the FORD H.O. 5liter ohv. it still amazes me how FORD pulls that much horsepower out of a small displacement. GO FORD💙
Werent those 5.4s?
ford sucks bro. wtffffffffffftfft yall smokin? send me some too plz...
thisguy177 Lol, Ford- first on race day
thisguy177 Pipe down troll.
@@nyelement007 bruh you already smokin for trying to talk shit 😂
I have drove all 3. Out of all 3 when I had the 5.0 it was a crazy loose fun drive. The LT1 felt stable and all around well balanced to me. Now the first time I drove the 6.4 it felt like torque planted to the ground and loved it. But wish I could have all 3 depending on how I want to drive lol all 6 speed manual
British & Porcha Major I agree... I want all 3 in manual!!
@@JBWHITEGT That would be the holy trinity
Fantastic comparison and video. I was stuck between the Scat and the Coyote and ended up getting a 19 GT after test driving. Both engines are BADASS to say the least
Fantastic? He intentionally glossed over the Gen V LT engine, jumped right to factually incorrect "downsides", glossed over factual downsides of the Coyote, and then did a quick mention of the Mopar 6.4. The Gen V LT 6.2 is still cheaper by far to modify than a 5.0L Coyote (1 cam vs 6, 16 valves vs 32, 1 short timing chain vs a mile of timing chain, 1 cam phaser vs 4, 16 direct fuel injectors vs 16 port + 16 direct, etc). That's ignoring the limitations of a 3rd gen Coyote block which doesn't have steel cylinder liners but instead an inferior spray-in liner that they decided to do in-house instead of using the German company that pioneered the technique and did it on previous Ford V8 designs.
@@wernerziegler6709third Gen Coyote has 16 injectors, not 32.
Did he just say that the LT didn’t have other platforms “to waterfall from”?
Is he nuts? The LT1 is the same platform as the DI 5.3L that’s in hordes of 1/2 ton SUV/trucks, the DI 6.2L in everything from high end 1/2 tons to 1 tons, Supercharged LT4 in ZL1/ZO6/CTSV, and LT5 in the ZR1. Its more prolific than the Coyote thanks to Ford using Ecoboost V6 in full size trucks. Plus, there’s 3 generations of Coyote engines since 2011 and a number of parts don’t interchange between the gens. Meanwhile the interchangeability between the LT architecture is much greater.
IOW, not only does it the LT design in many more platforms than the Coyote, it also has the biggest aftermarket support and better interchangeability.
Well said. I thought the same thing. "Is he out of his mind". The video should of been tittle. Best engine to modify".
I’m a Ford guy and I agree LS/LT motors have definitely more availability of parts, BUT the Coyote has more variation because it is purely for racing. Mustang’s aftermarket community has always had everything available from the S197 to the S550. In any case, I think for the factors. 1. SS, 2. Hemi 3. GT, 4. Hemi, 5. GT. GT still wins.
Help Me lol
More variation? I don’t see how it has more when variety is implied with availability.
Plus, the Coyote is used in trucks as well, so it’s not “purely for racing”.
ChuckO Because the Chevy parts come from old Express vans and other non-sport lineup. They’re basically stock parts. The only performance parts the Camaro can get from other Chevys are from Corvettes, Cadillacs, and upper trim Camaros. And these are only performance parts from the factory. Mustangs have a wide variety of aftermarket parts because the engine itself is dedicated for performance application. The F150 Coyote is very different from the Mustang Coyote. Just like the 2JZ in the Supra and Lexus IS350 or the VQ35 in the G35 and EX35.
@@helpmelol7097 stop speaking....
Great vid I own a coyote and I agree with this comparison! Great objective comparison!!!
Place the 392 Engine in a car that Curb Weights in the same weight rang as that s550 & that gen6 Alpha chassis, and the car would be an 11.1 car on stock power & a Drag pack..
Place the stock power LT1 & the Coyote engine’s into the chassis of the 4400lb Challenger & the car will be SLOWER..
Stock for Stock, the 392 is a better engine, but Mod for Mod, the Coyote is the BEST ENGINE OUT OF THESE TREE.
T U .. that’s a very valid assessment TU 👍
RacerX 🤘
T U its not just the engine , its all about transmission in gral , gearing of the trans etc etc , its all in the package of the powertrain .If you want to see which of the 3 engines is more efficient you have dive into engineering , like friction loss , Qin vs Qout , dyno just the engine , and basically make a complex Dynamic analysis,Reminds me of my days at Univerisity of Mechanical Engineering ,
“Thermodynamics , Yunus Cengel”
“Heat Transfer , Yunus Cengel”
Viages 7693 all that is a given that should go without say when referencing these 3 cars. Each of them have exceptionally quick shifting Automatics (A8 & A10) & each of them are rear drive front engine N/A High performance V8’s. It’s not complicated at all.
The MAIN POINT is these Stock Power SP 392 Challengers with an A8 are mid 11sec cars on a set of DR’s.. I’m telling you for a FACT, if you were to the place a Stock Power Coyote in that SP Challenger it would NOT run a mid 11 1/4mile because the Coyote doesn’t have the Wonderful Torque of the 392! To help mask the Curb weight of the car.
But if you placed a Stock Power 392 Engine into the A10 equipped s550, that car if on a set of DR’s would run an 11Flat if not slightly quicker.
Stock! Non modded! Engine for Engine, the 392 “IS” the better Engine. It just so happed to be stuck inside of a car that weighs over 500lbs more than the Mustang & the Camaro.
Place all 3 Engines on a “ENGIN DYNO” (not on a chassis dyno) and the 392 on 93octane will show to be a 495-500HP/480-490TQ engine.. the LT1 & the Coyote will NOT make that Power
T U yeah , I got your point and its valid , but for me as an engineer things are not so easy , are numerous factors to consider before saying X engine is better , engines are just “thermal machines” and nowadays calibration and technology plays a huge factor and can make them more efficient( more power , more low end torque , fuel efficient etc etc) another factor is pushrod vsDOHC , again , valid your point of view👍
Just picked up a 2020 camaro 2ss, this thing is an animal, those mustangs are impressive as hell!
Just got my 2020 2SS as well. Got the Magnetic Ride control and dual mode exhaust, among a few other options. Absolutely love it. Upgraded from a 2015 Camaro 2SS.
Out of factory, I would say Camaro is best. I haven’t lost to a 392 or 5.0 at a red light yet, and it was never really close
The Ford engine is so big and bulky for its displacement size. Its physically bigger and heavier than the chevy 6.2.
That's because the Ford mill is a DOHC design, four valves per cylinder. Overhead cam motors are taller and often wider than pushrod motors, to name one example.
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 We know. Thats a big trade off, weight, lack of under hood space, cost of repair, cost to replace.
Best as a fun and comfortable daily driver....hands down any Charger, 300 or Challenger!
I've not driven the 2020 Challenger but the Camaro is my pick due to the stability and muscle car feel. It feels like a car that can be pushed without the worry of crashing. The mustangs do have a problem with stability in my opinion. The coyote does take boost well but the 6.2 also makes a ton of power when boosted also.
The latest gen coyote has both direct and port fuel injection.
That's because if they didn't have port injection, the valves would eventually cake in.
That's Ford looking out for their customer ☺️
As a camaro guy I say LT1 lol
Chevy all the way!👍
These fool don't know shit about chevrolet LT style small block push rod V8 that's y they just talk.US gear head know that the LT is better and cheper to build and upgrade for what ever chevrolet vehicle u can think of to LT swipe it.Just like the LS
Same here
I just bought a new 2020 Camaro ss 1le and my buddy has a scat pack 6.4 challenger 6spd manual. They both are nice cars. All mustangs guys I know have the terminator cobras which are cool also.
@Cole Jones The only advantage of the LT4, is that its supercharged. Great engine, but nothing overly unique about it. You could just as easily supercharger either the Coyote, or Hemi and drop it into about anything as well.
One of the categories should have been which motor takes boost the best. I think in this category you'd see a stock coyote can make way more hp safely boosted than the hemi or LT1. A gen 2 or gen 3 coyote can safely make 800-850rwhp with stock internals.
Cameron Borri
😂
They’ve made even more like 1000wheel on stock block stock internals and stock bottom end
@@camarosaregay7943 yeah my buddy is pushing up to 1150 right now with a stock motor
Hemi 392 is grunt master. No need to mod it. Want more grunt....get Hellcat.
Certainly one way to do it 👍
150 shot would do wonders too. Don't know how much they can take though...
LMAO!!!! Want more grunt in your Challenger?????
TH-cam LSx Challenger!!!
LMAO!!!!!!!!!
PhillLsx Ga. so someone went and put a Generic Motor Crap boat anchor in a Challanger. No one cares
@@philllsxga.7737 LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love my 5.0
I have owned 5 Mustangs including several of the orginal 5.0 (302 OHV), an LT1 Impala SS, a Camaro SS (my sister), and 4 hemis including a 6.1 but no 6.4.
First question is are you modding? If so, the hemi loses out. But stock, I think it is the strongest engine by far. Of course it usually is saddled in cars that weigh hundreds more than the Ford or Chevy so it often ends up 3rd in a race!
I love all 3 motors
You can't go wrong
jtc1964x .. well summed up my friend 👍
GM LS,LT motors are proven,u can't take a junkyard or high mileage Ford Coyote,Dodge motor and put 20lbs,30lbs of boost to them and they live,give me a break,today people like something they will ignore truths and facts that contradict their beliefs! GM for the win!
Adam Brooks 20-30 lbs of boost? Lol show me
Adam Brooks 😂😂😂😂 20-30psi of boost. Let me guess, your buddy’s dad’s cousin’s cousin has a boosted stock block running 30 psi. Stop it. You could have stopped at “GM LS/LT motors are proven” but you had to be silly and pulled numbers out your ass.
@@driveshift U know what amazes me? U freaking idiots who dont probably own a LS,or LT motor at all,or never have and probably dont even like GM,now this is old news guy,its been several tests done between Ford,Dodge,and GM u got to be stupid ,oh I forgot no one reads they just go off of what other jerks tell them,iron ls motors have taken 20,30 lbs of boost for a limited time during the tests,no one said u can get a full race season out of them, u also can get 1400 hp out of the gen5 Lt1s aluminum blocks,can't do it with Ford or Dodge!
I have a 2021 LT1 since April. They all are such cool cars. They have such distinct character. Just as X says all awesome cars. Im really happy with mine. The weight was also a consideration for me.
And hundreds of pounds lighter than the SS
Gen 3 coyote has both port and direct injection. Total 16 injectors. Plus 4 cams plus 4 valves per cylinder. Tech advantage should slightly go to ford . Otherwise agree on everything else you said 👍
I'm surprised people haven't made a mosh pit of the comment section. Respect to those who respect others rides
well ford and dodge made it to the 8s on the 1/4 mile on stock unopened engines with power adders.....and chevy needs head and cam work to be in the 8s
And you are referring to the supercharged 5.0 coyote and supercharged 6.4 hemi.
pansitasloko13 But the Zr1 1 Le Camaro has an insane Nürburgring time. Way better track car.
Isn't a cam typically a power adder? Just a thought...
By power adder, I believe he meant boost or nitrous. A cam does add power but you have to open the engine to install one.
@@40calDeathPunch the 6.4 in the scat pack is not supercharged.
That lt1 with magnetic ride suspension and a10 speed... easy choice.
hell yeah bro... nice to know someone elseis smart here and im not the only 1!chevy allday everyday. 24-7-365
thisguy177 there nice but the new ones are absolutely hideous lol
@@CM-maga why do people in maitas rx7s and every other car swap in ls1 and lt4s. and pretty soon they will be swapping in these new engines. wait a few years and watch.......nobody swaps in a Ford. buy a used taxi or ex police car. their trash! i would buy a used chevy engine without question. allday everyday chevy is better than ford is.
thisguy177 never said ones better then the other. Just said the new camero is so ugly it’s a face only a mother could love.. and you say “taxis, and ex police cars” you mean a crown Vic? There pretty tough have you seen what cleetus does with all his at the freedom factory. So Because people swap junkyard motors into ricers that makes them better? Lol nice you seen the new Silverado’s pretty ugly too lol
@@nyelement007 of course you're a chevy guy, you made a sentence like you're drunk.
So true about the high revs and how impressive the 5.0 is considering it’s smaller displacement. I love my 14 5.0 and it’s fbo e85. I easily gapped my friends fbo e85 scat pack. Haven’t raced my other buddies fbo e85 camaro yet some issues with tuning. This is definitely the 5.0s era. 2000s-10s was the Chevy LS era for sure
Agree
I like my LS3
I’m recently a new owner of a wide body R/T dodge challenger Scat Pack! All black, I love it!
Its a great car.. enjoy that beast
love the 5.0L Ford Mustang!! It is an amazing motor and it is being compare with a 6.4L and a 6.2L:
It goes without saying that you really hit the bullseye on this video . There's really no way to go wrong in any of these platforms , however, one must know what their intentions with the cars are . Hemis are monster from light to light , that being said a 392 owner should not expect to challenge a 5.0 10spd on an open freeway . Preciate the content in these times brother , what was the sticker price on the 50th Scat ?
Gato .. thanks buddy .. that Scatpack stickered for 60k 😳
I’m buying 10r80s after 120 it’s weird my own mustang I’m beating too
A very fair assessment . I am a Mustang guy and own a stage 3 Roush . Between those 3 particular cars , i would pick the scat pack widebody , it is the best looking by far .
It looks the most classic
Coyote is a high revving DOHC with a ton of moving parts. These motors will blow up if you get down hard on it. Needs mods if your going to track it. The LT1 is a very strong motor pushrod design. Big lower for crazy torque and very reliable. Must use a quality motor oil and use a catch can but this is my motor of choice. The 6.4 has to be basically stock with bolt ons. You do an E85 or light boost and bye bye pistons and possibly the block. Lt1 for the win in my opinion.another great video. Thank you for all you do.
Anthony Costa Chevy for sure allows you to play around with the motor which is why people LS/LT swap their cars all the time. Take a look at the RX7 market, they Ls swap all the time
Lol dude what?? The coyote is a DOHC with a short stroke and forged internals. It's literally MADE to be rung out, please tell me how a high revving motor is prone to blowing up? There's literally thousands of videos on TH-cam with people throwing twin turbos and whipple setups on the coyote and running perfectly fine without supporting mods.
@@demiurgeobzen327 happens all the time, the 5.2 in the GT350 is slightly more prone to problems - even with a slew of more forged parts. The Coyote has a forged crank and connecting rods, unlike the internals in the 5.2. So you're not completely accurate here. Warranty and service data shows the 5.0 and 5.2 have higher failure rates than the LT1 and 6.4 Hemi. Same can't be said for the 5.7 hemi though, Dodge still hasn't addressed the lifter bearing issues to my knowledge.
@@silverfox392 Well They could possibly have a higher fail rate because they're pushed harder, have a higher production number and have been around longer. So the numbers can look a little skewed due to the fact that there's more coyotes on the road than LT1s or SRT 392s. You also have to take into consideration that the 6.4 392 isnt exactly an engine that gets modded alot considering the plethora of issues that could happen of you do. As a current owner of a 15 Scatpack and a former owner of a 16 S550, I'd take my s550 any day of the week for mods. But for everyday comfort and fun factor the 6.4 reigns supreme.
@@demiurgeobzen327 are you referring to the 5.8 ? If so you are right. I am talking about the 5.0.. I am just not a fan. There top heavy and have 4 timing chains? Correct me if I am wrong. Don't get me wrong ford makes good engines but I prefer the nearly bullet proof LS and LT design chevy engines. That being said I will one day buy a new mustang gt and mod it. The exhaust sound is killer.
Great review. Mustang owner here.but you did a great job and unbiased. Plus you sure know your stuff.👍
Great video and you give a fair and balanced comparison of 3 great cars! Good job!
Uh... no it wasn't. He intentionally glossed over the Gen V LT engines and made up so ignorant BS about cost of upgrades vs the LS. The cost difference is tiny, particularly compared to any generation of the Coyote. A cam upgrade for a Gen V LT engine is 1 cam.... compared to 4 for any generation of the Coyote. Cam phaser is 1 vs 4. The Coyote uses a mile of timing chain vs the Gen V LT's short chain. The Coyote has a widely known issue with the oil pump being brittle vs the Ford Racing version of the pump. Yep. When Ford takes 5.0L Coyotes from the engine line to turn them into official Ford Racing 5.0L Coyote's, they pull the factory oil pump off and throw it into the trash, replacing it with an upgraded billet oil pump since even they know the factory oil pump is a major threat to warranty costs.
It was anything but "fiar and balanced". It was a Ford guy pretending to be unbiased yet he glossed over the most obvious competitor and then jumped to the 6.4 Hemi which is held back by CAFE and EPA regulations.
Interesting for sure! Stand as corrected!
I'm not that old I'm 23 and been knowing about cars since 18 but from my experience.
The camaro engine is good for lower mid rpm power but u have to put work in the motor to daily drive it if you put a blower
The 6.4 preety much comes already to it's full potential from factory. if u wana add a blower u will have to get forged internals or else it will blow on you even at low psi.
The 5.0 is good in every single aspect and u can daily it without having to forge the Motor or much after you add a blower. But the bad thing is the lack of torque and response but once ur in those higher rpms u preety much can beat any car if ur boosted
I got disappointed after I broke in my 5.0 It was my 1st muscle car and I expected to be pulled back in the seat but I wasn't I honestly think my g35 sedan felt almost as torquey as the stang so thats bad . This Friday I'm looking at a charger
392 wins as best Stock Engine, if aftermarket parts didn’t exist
5.0L wins if you want too run a lot of boost
LT1 wins if you want to go fast NA
They all certainly have their merits 👍
The 5.0 does pretty good na as well though you can make like 500 rwhp with e85 and bolt ons
Headers, intake & e85 in a 5.0 and you’re getting 500+whp
Chris Hansen LT1 does the same without E85 and it’s way lighter in a way lighter car so yea. Boost and straight like racing=5.0 . N/A reliability low end torque and cornering ability =6.2
@@chrishansen7004 500whp? Old ls3s hit that mark
Just the fact that the 5.0 is mentioned with these larger engines should point to how special the 5.0 really is.👍🏽👍🏽
Fun fact, the 5.0 is physically larger than the other engines.
@@johncarl5505 the Coyote heads are 70% of the engines size.
@@MustangGuru lol
@@johncarl5505 i think it’s bigger than the camaro i dont know about the challenger 6.4 hemi
The only thing that the Jaguar 5.0 wins is the technology. Hemi wins the rest. And yes, the Coyote is a Jaguar 5.0 that Ford used as its platform to build the engine.
Great comparison. Not Bias, just stating facts.
I’m not a fan of silver wheels but those wheels on the 50th anniversary 🔥🔥🔥
It’s a sharp car for sure
I feel the silver wheels will come back soon. Too many black wheels are the norm now. So many now that having silver sets you apart. It’s gotten that bad.
black wheels suck the big one...
Black wheels just disappear when you're more than 12 ft away - and then the tires follow suit - and from 30 feet away you have a nice car sitting on 4 black holes ....
My 2019 GT Blue Knight ready roll love that 10 speed auto Trans shift hard at 7000Rmp yep top end set up!!!!!
What i dont get is how Ford can get 460 hp from a 5.0 but Dodge can only get 375 from a 5.7.
That´s what keeps R/T guys always on the fence....
I think single cab ram 1500s are faster than the rt’s I had one for awhile with the 5.7 and dear god that thing was fast as hell especially for a truck
Fords 4 valves breath better than 2 hemi valves thus more revs = more horsepower.
Lmao I beat rt cars with my 4.6 2v the 5.7 isnt that great and if they could get a 6.4 in a truck
They should make a full bolt on plus tune comparison
Andy's Performance Gen 3 Coyotes make well over 500 wheel with only bolt ons
Once you throw boost at them all you really see some differences. Those coyotes have been 8s in the quarter in the 150 + mph in a truck yet! and only upgraded interal grades are opg and head stud making 1100 whp. Not likely going to last long but wow dont think anyone else is even close. On stock rotating assembly
Awesome video brother I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 131,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast.
5.0 for me. Love that scream and pop at 5000 rpm
Good god I love that red 50th anniv. Challenger... Looks so badass!!
I have to give credit where it's due. The Coyote motor is the best out of all 3. I wish Chevy would have designed a similar engine to it to power the Vettes and Maros with. LT1 is more for cost savings (for manufacturer), compact design, and low end torque.
ShinyBlackRims no way. Ford can’t build a 5.0 to save their life!
Steve says you Steve, my 2018 pp2 10 speed stock will run Laps around a Chevy and a dodge
Have a Camaro at home, buddy had a Challenger and now has a Mustang, hands down motor the 5.0 rules and the Mustang is so much better everywhere else as well. The Challenger torque is a ton of fun as it just breaks tires effortlessly but it feels like a truck motor as it doesn't pull up top and you constantly hit the low rev limiter as you want to stay in it but it won't go there. The 5.0 is a world and a generation (more like 3 or 4 generations as they have been doing the cammers since the 90s) above the rest and the Mustang is just a better chassis, interior etc... To each their own though, all fun choices
Good video but it felt a little biased towards the dodge, the best engine out of the 3 is the 5.0, just because of the design duel overhead cams and four valves per cylinder and direct injection you are going to get more power per liter and get more power on the same mods. It’s just better engineering.
Totally agree
Coming from a chevy guy that hard hi Revving 5.0 hard to beat boys
I’d bet on my SRT 392.
I just wish Ford did not fuck up the front end. I really want a 2020 Mustang GT but the front end makes me angry.
I have owned all 3 of them. Never had an issue with any of them.
Which did you like the best from first to last
@Jose Carranza Polio they are all powerful, but the 5.0 gets the best mpg by far.
Been watching your stuff for a while. This video confirmed you know your stuff. You earned a subscriber!
He sure does know his stuff. A real deal motor head.😆
actually the coyote 5.0 has a dual EFI system meaning it uses both port and direct injection ... wich really impressed me after i broke in my 2018 gt perfomance pack 2 i took a road trip to pikes peak colorado from jacksonville fl for a vacation and was getting close to 30 mpg on the highway with cruise on with the 6 speed manual
Still got it? And what’s the break in period
@@Lafoochen 1000 miles and sadly no ford offered my just under 32k with 40k miles on it .. was gona be needing a clutch and break job plus i needed a truck so i said SOLD about a year ago
I'm a Ford guy but dam the challenger is a great looking car , by far the best job of modern retro.
I'd personally and preferably can go for the Mustang GT 5.0 performance package 1, because of how it's reasonably priced and how light the curb weight of the vehicle is and with the performance it brings.
till it blows up lol, so many failure points.
@@cleysoptique8749 Maybe.
The 5.0 has PORT and DIRECT injection as well as the 10 speed and VVCT. Definitely the most advanced. Though the Camaro now comes with the 10 speed.
I still love my 6.2 LT1 in my Camaro. All 3 engines are great motors, and I really like the 392 hemi. Might get a scat pack for my next car.
Mustang Coyote: 3800lbs
HP: 412@6500rpm
TQ: 390@4250rpm
Camaro LT1: 3865lbs
HP: 455@6000rpm
TQ: 455@4400rpm
Challenger: 4230lbs
HP: 485@6100rpm
TQ: 475@4100rpm
Which one is fastest mustang gt scat pack or 2ss ?
The 5.0 is physically bigger than the other 2 and more expensive to fix because it has a lot more parts in it. But I still like all 3 but I chose the 17' Camaro SS 6 speed. Love this car.
that's cap but chavy Camaro is another level than both far as performance and technology
What an excellent objective review from a gearhead perspective... outstanding 👍
Thank you my friend
Objective? He was obviously a Ford fanboy that glossed over Gen V LT 6.2's and falsely claimed their downpoint is cost of upgrading compared to a 5.0 Coyote that requires 4 times as many cams and phasers, twice as many valves and lash adjusters, an upgraded non-factory oil pump, and other upgrades in order to address weak points. He is clearly a Ford boy and avoided mentioning all the serious issues associated with the Gen 3 Coyote, including the brittle oil pump, timing chain stretch, cam phaser issues, etc.
Love the 5.0 .. but that 50th Challenger is one sexy muscle car ...
I would drive either one but if I had to pick it will be the 5.0 Mustang. You have alot more play room then the other 2 🤷🏾♂️
If you got the money to mod tf out of a 5.0 just get a Hellcat. Problem solved. 🤷♂️
@@heatlifer3640 I agree just get hellcat
HEAT LIFER twin turbo kit for coyote is a little over $5k and that alone would have it gapping hell kitties
HEAT LIFER a fbo E85 2018+ mustang gt beats a hellcat and is still less than half the price of a hellcat
@@solitude2871 Facts
First video of yours I have watched. Excellent, factual, unbiased assessment of all 3 great engines. I agree with every single statement. You've got a new sub.
Any of these 3..what a time to be alive in the car world..
Throwing the motor to the side, I still think Dodge makes the best looking car out of the group. And it rides better than the other ones.
I like the look of all 3 I certainly think Dodges ride the best 👍
@@RacerX9 It's what sold my wife on a Hellcat Charger. Yes it was powerful....but the adaptive suspension is what actually closed the deal for her. And I have to admit, while I like the rough and tumble ride usually of fixed suspension (I'm a glutton for punishment).....both the upper end American performance cars have some form of it, but they aren't tuned as well. SRT guys did a great job with the Bilsteins. I've been pleased.
I just pick up a new mustang gtPP2 yesterday. Appointment had to be made
My friend has coyote I’m impressed how good it moves 👍🏼
Right up until a cylinder bore warps, an oil pump grenades, or a block cracks.
edit- mustang is direct injected as well as port injected. total of 16 fuel injectors. thats why u can run E85 on stock fuel system with only a tune
love the unbiased assessment.. each motor has a place in different peoples garage. die hard ford fan but the hemi seems like it would be best for me. the 5.0 would benefit from boost and redlining but i dont think i would do that very often. with that being said the 6.4 hemi would fit my driving style and preference best but wouldn’t be able to bring myself to do it cause the s550 looks absolutely stunning
best overall engine is the 6.4 but that 5.0 sounds the best. The best sounding motor ive heard
Pffft, then ya haven`t heard a Hemi with the mufflers taken off and just a straight pipe in place.
@@slacadjuster237 I have playlists (over 3,100 videos) for Mopars Camaros Mustangs and Corvettes. You can decide after seeing them.
Coyote shits on a 6.4 all day. Go find a stock sealed motor 6.4 that runs 8s in the 1/4
5'o's were always the best sounding engines hands down
Hand down 5.0 coyote plus u can boosted
6.4 all day.
6.2 4 dayzzz
You want to see how a stock sealed coyote runs with a tune and exhaust take a look at the coyote stock class videos. NMRA they scream!!!
Old post but still relevant, thanks man! I have a 13 Camaro and a 14 Mustang GT and do still love Challengers the most, just worked out this way.
Im trading in my 5.7 hemi challenger for either a GT350, hellcat, or I'm going scatpack shaker. It's way too much to cam, headers, supercharger, and then new transmission to get the power. The SS is not bad at all I just don't like the car too much, but what a wonderful time to be able to own cars like this!