Everyone (apart from the EV haters club, of course) should be directing anyone, who doesn’t know the truth of the matter, to this video. Well done, Dave. You really took them on today!
I got my first ev in September, one of the best features for me is definitely pre heating the cabin without leaving the house rather than having to sit in a freezing car with it running until its defrosted. Loving my ev in winter 😊
Yes same as my Jaguar E Pace diesel just warm it up from the comfort of my living room chair..... it's not just Milkfloats that can be pre warmed from an app for crying out loud 😂
Good grief...not this again. I'm just back (Sunday evening) from Manchester having driven down on Saturday morning from Glasgow in my 4 year-old MG5. It was snowing/sleeting on the way down. Horrible salt spray on the way back up. Admittedly I was surprised at the snow I saw in Cheshire as we had none at all in Glasgow...just -7c. Despite not having driven the car all week...it performed impeccably. No worries...even though I had the heater blasting at 24c. If battery electric vehicles were rubbish in winter then I'm sure Norway would have blown the whistle on this a long time ago. And I can't preheat my battery. It's as basic as it gets...and still works. Nice video Dave Cheers from another Dave
@The_Macaroon I think I got 3.2 miles per kwh on that trip. It's all hills mind you at 1c yesterday. At 70mph it's about 150 miles range but I rarely go below 20% before stopping to charge. Overall, happy with its performance in winter. Summer is nearer 180+miles at 70mph.
Yeah and they all going to blow up are worth 10p . Whilst my 40 year old Skoda does 100mpg and I have only spent £20 on one oil change since I bought it. So stick your radioactive ev.
You are like a hollywood actor now. They also used to warm their teslas in garages. Now they don't have teslas, nor garages, nor even homes. It will take one diesel landrover to destroy a town, the wokier the quicker.
@ why don’t you go test drive an EV and see how you like it. A fire is going to burn a car whether it’s an EV or an ICE vehicle, so I’m not following your point there.
I’m new to EVs having bought my Tesla model 3 dual motor in November and I love it . Yesterday, I did a return trip from Sheffield to Liverpool, about 180 miles altogether. From an 80% charge, I completed a mixture of very hilly roads across the Pennines, fast driving on the motorways and some city driving. All this happened on the coldest day of the year so far, and I arrived home with 36 miles left in the tank. At no point did I drive gently to conserve range despite fans, seats and steering wheel being heated the whole time…what more can you ask!
Thanks for the winter report. Here in Ontario Canada it's been -15C for over a week my LR Model Y is running great. Preheat to 18C 15 minutes before I leave Drives great in the snow with winter tires. Energy usage goes up to 190Wh/km at -15C from summer 150Wh/km. Note gas cars also loose range in winter. By the way -1C is just sweater weather also thats not snow, thats a lithe dusting of icing sugar.
I must admit being able to condition my car before getting in is brilliant. I’ll accept the reduced range (I can’t charge at home) and as others have mentioned, I travel less in the winter and bad weather anyway.
Hi Dave. Loved the video. Just bought a model, Y 22 plate daul motor, and loving the car. Don't have the app yet. I'm still waiting for the V5 to arrive before I can set my car up. Temperature dropped to -5 here in South Wales. There are no issues with the car at these temps. Even without the app, the car defrosted within 3-5 minutes. My partners car took a lot longer (ice). Frozen locks and a lot of de-icer required. Like yourself, i don't take any notice of the EV bashers. Home charging is a dream. Keep up the good work. We need people like you putting out this information. Well done.
One of the best features of EV .. cooled in Summer, warmed & defrosted in minutes in the Winter, while I have my porridge and watch the neighbours scraping away in the cold 😀 Uses at most 1%. Gotta say the Tesla App looks good.
I bought my Peugeot E2008 back in April 24, love it and love the preheat in the frosty mornings. For all those that knock EV's all i would say is don't knock until you have tried it.
Hadn't used my EV for a few days, it was covered in ice. Got the phone out opened the app turned on climate control on, plus heated seats and steering wheel. Went out10 minutes later all cleared and nice and warm. Used to have a Kia Rio. Lovely car had it many years.
Great video Dave 👍🏻 I got my first EV in December and the preconditioning feature is brilliant. I love getting into a warm car when it’s freezing outside, that’s clear of ice and the steering wheel and seat is warm. I was quite sceptical before getting an EV but it’s definitely been the best decision I’ve made.
Same here. However putting wind screen (and even rear window) cover, wing mirror mittens etc on the night before, saves even doing that (the defrosting bit).
I love warming the car up and defrosting from the comfort of my home. I’m sure the EV haters delight in freezing their fingers when scraping the windscreen or going out into the cold to achieve the same outcome as you have just demonstrated. I’m not sure what motivates the EV haters, my EV is just a car with a different transmission that can also do some really helpful (cool?) things. Cheers Dave, keep up the good work.
FYI 1) There was a fan on the Tesla home page on your phone, if you touch that the heating will start from there. 2) We will get a second EV soon, my wife think mine is so good in winter! No scraping ever after 3.7 years. 3) As I am from Sweden, I do not consider -1 really cold. When I go home from work in winter and it is -18, I can sit down in a T-shirt after 5 min of real defrosting in a model3. No more frost on the windscreen by rhen either by the way.
We don't consider -1 particularly cold either. Last winter was EXCEPTIONALLY warm, especially January where we barely got really cold ever. VERY unusual - this winter is back to more normal cold. But we haven't had really cold (- 30) in at least five years, which is very nice.
I find our e3008 GT it heats up quicker than a previous 3008 petrol. Because you get the heat straight away rather waiting for the water in the engine to warm up so that saves about 20 minutes. Plus preheating the cabin the ice on all the windows gone in snot 5 minutes. So no scraping, those days have gone. Unlike my neighbours out with the scrapers and the engines running for about 20 minutes. Plus, another and advantage with the app . We usually go late night shopping as it’s nice and quiet for the wife as she has disability. . Why I was still at work using the app I preheated the car which was at home so when I got home, it was ready to drive straight off shopping. Yes BEV might have some disadvantages, but there’s more advantages than disadvantages. Never go back to petrol
Our ICE car hasn’t moved since the cold/snow/frost hit. Its always the EV keys that get picked up. Interior warm and glass clear before leaving the house. Now looking to swap the ICE car for another EV.
We changed out my wife's Toyota for an MG4 for that reason, along with cost of running (first service on MG4 was £80) and ease of use. Of course the other reason is that we are not contributing to Trump's 'hoax' - biggest reason of all!
@@pauleast4372 I do not see China as an advantage over Trump. But my EV is an ioniq 5, S Korea. And it defrosts much faster than any ICE car (without stand heater build in...because this is possible in ICE cars for a few 1000 of dollars. In a really cold climate an ICE would not even work without a stand heater...First warming the oil in the carter before even starting attempos are possible. (In that same really cold climate the EV must be connected continous to the grid...when temps are below -18 celsius. (0 Fahrenheid) because the BM
I have a 2024 Mini Countryman S E (that’s the EV version) and a 2023 diesel Land Rover Defender 90 - both precondition remotely from an app. Biggest difference between the two is that while Defender’s windows defrost the heated seats and steering wheel don’t come on. The car burns 0.5 liters of diesel (so 16 miles of range) and spews poison out of its exhaust pipe (not to mention the soot slowly clogs the DPF) while it’s idling. In the 10 minutes the EV takes to defrost the glass all round it also heats the front seats and steering wheel and brings the cabin temperature up to 23C without no tailpipe emissions or rattle engine noise. Battery consumption is less than 2kWh or reduced range is about 3 miles or negligible if I do it while the car is plugged in. Result, the Land Rover hardly gets used in winter other than for off-road needs and assisting my GP neighbour get to remote living patients that her car hasn’t the capability to get to in the current weather. The EV is also 4WD but doesn’t have the ground clearance to deal with deep snow, but it is the go to car in cold weather. Compared to the summer my efficiency has dropped from 4 miles/kWh to 3.2, my Defender on the other hand has dropped from 34mpg to 28 if I don’t precondition it.
I start out at 6am in my kia e-nero. Pre conditioning set at 5.30am. Completely defrosted and toasty warm with warm seats and steering wheel. Car still locked while warming up. No omissions. And n chance of someone driving it away. Sure the range drops in cold weather as batteries aren't as efficient. But at 90% charge, I'll get a range of approx 220 miles. I drive an average of 100 miles a day. So I'm well covered. Ive owned the car 6 months. Covered 9000 miles. And home charging has so far cost me £200. My previous 2.0l diesel would have cost 10 times that much. Evs are a revelation in my opinion. But im fully aware, that it depends on your circumstances.
Mr Till has also done a short video on how hard to defrost his niro at -4 ... he pressed a button and it was defrosted in less than 5 mins ... so easy....., thanks dave for the video..
I miss my £350 a year household electric bill now £2000 a year due to idiot EV owners and government loses millions in petrol taxes so they put up elecricity bills by huge amount , well done son ... Think my 508SW HDi 1.6 with stop start doing 75 upto 115 MPG on a run will be outside 20 years ! Keep your EV !
@@curtisducati Change is hard and a little frightening for most folks and they will likely latch on to anything that fits their narrative in order to maintain the status quo - and there is a lot of FUD to latch on to with regard to EVs. Keep watching Dave's videos, he'll set you straight.
I do like a good laugh when you get a ICE driver posting something stupid. Think my last ICE car took 10mins to finally get some heat coming through to do any useful deicing; so a 20mile journey it was doing 15 miles to a Gallon. Got to love pre-heat at 7p and the electric screen.
For removing external ice/frost off all windows, why not just pour cold tap water over all affected areas? Takes maximum 2 or 3 splashes in as many minutes and seems to work, for me, without heating up car or heating up water or scraping.
Possibly the greatest feature is pre heating. I was heating our car from 250 miles away ready for my wife to set off in the morning last week, while I spent 30 minutes in minus 6 trying to open a door on the work diesel to get a scraper out.
Great video , I live in Canada and at time I can be in -20c and I have never had a problem yet , yes when its that cold my range drops 20% to 25% less depending on the charging station it maybe a little slower . I drive a Genesis GV 60 2023 AWD which I have found it to be very good in the snow .
App control of preconditioning is brilliant, my last EV didn't have it (Nissan Leaf Acenta), just via timer. My newly acquired BMW i3 does and it's brilliant 🤩
Just did 1400 mile trip to Atlanta and back to Detroit. Well below freezing and 4-6 inches of snow on the way down. No issues. I was even able to charge at each of the hotels I stayed at, so I started with enough range to skip the next planned DCFC. Best part is not having to stand outside the car in the cold and wet to fuel regularly. The car has my planned charge every morning. I normally charge to 70% as I only use 20-30% on a normal day.
My Peugeot 2008e, has a setting that I’ve setup for it to warm up 15 minutes before I leave for work. All frost has gone and the car is lovely and warm inside.
Great channel Dave. Very pleased that you are providing so much useful information. There is definitely an increased rate in EV uptake just by seeing what’s being driven on a day to day basis. Very much looking forward to the day when I am able to buy one.
This is our first winter with an EV as one of our cars. We had an unusually hard frost last week, so both the EV and diesel needed to be defrosted. I set the EV to defrost for the wife, then started the diesel to get it warming to clear the window. The EV was completed in under 10 minutes, but the diesel was only just beginning to melt the frost at the bottom of the screen. I had to scrape the rest of the screen, in order to drive the car, yet the wife had already driven off, with a lovely warm car, while I was cold and had wet hands. EVs are just so much better.
I try to educate people about ev's whenever I get questioned or get negative comments about ev ownership, and people either belive me or tell me I'm wrong, but when I tell them I warm and defrost my car with an app on my phone from the sofa 5 mins before I go out to the car the reaction is always amazement. this last week or so I've enjoyed being able to open the doors without being iced, clear windows and the gust of hot air that comes out when I open the doors. And I don't mind the 2p it costs me to do it, happy motoring EV heads, lets leave the kettle loving Diesel burning Icemen to their expensive fossils.
Glad you said that because I calculated I had been losing nearly 30% of range in this cold snap and it doesn’t seem to matter if I preheat the battery whilst plugged in… 😮
I've not tried a long journey in the depths of winter, but I don't think they'd be as badly affected as day-to-day driving would suggest. I think it's the heating the cabin for 10 mins, getting out, heating up again etc etc.
I recently noticed that after starting climate/pre-heat, it can take around an hour for the battery to pre-heat from around 6C to 16C when the outside temp is around 2C (this is with car connected to mains power). This doesn't matter at all for day to day commuting where losing a little efficiency at the beginning of a trip won't be noticed, but if you're setting out on a road-trip where every % matters, then might be worth keeping mains connected and turning on climate about an hour beforehand.
I use a Silence S02 scooter, with a 5.6 kWh batter. My journey to work, a 74 mile round trip. It was -5 here the other morning ( Dutton, Kent). Worked fine. The range does drop a bit in the cold, but nothing to worry about.
I got my Ioniq 5 end of October and it’s far more convenient and easier to own (disabled by neurological condition). I push a button on my phone when I start getting myself ready to go and then I get in a warm car with no de-icing needed. It has a heat pump so range is still good too. During extreme cold last week took a 220 mile round trip to the top of Hardknott pass and back to Southport. Set off on 85% could easily make it home with ~5-10% left but stopped at IONITY in Lancaster to use the toilet in McDonald’s next door. Charged at 199kw despite the freezing cold! Went from 28%-60% in the time it took to get served and have a piss! Love it!
Dave, picking up my 1st ev this week, thanks for the excellent information. One thing which I feel needs highlighting is the parking fines ev drivers are attracting for charging at hotels, such as the Holiday inn, near Bamber Bridge. £100 fine from parking eye, unless you go into the hotel and tell them you are charging!
Thanks for highlighting this. Unfortunately you always have to read parking signs very carefully. We parked at Novotel, Milton Keynes last week, and it was necessary to register the number plate within 20 mins of arrival to avoid a fine. There were ev chargers there too. 😊
Hi Dave, plenty of comments to this effect already, but wanted to chime in. Friday 10 January 2025 here in Oxfordshire, the frost was reforming at about 4:30pm, I was at work. About 5:30pm I left the office with a small group of colleagues to go home. Our cars were parked within sight of each other in the staff car park. I simply got in my BMW i3 and drove off, stopping briefly to explain to a shocked colleague trying to defrost her KIA Picanto that I had sent the precondition command to my i3 from my smartphone at about 5:20pm. My car was toasty and completely defrosted.
@@davetakesiton You can always spot my car in the car park at work at home time in the Winter. It’s the only one with frost free and condensation free windows!
I had a similar thing on that date. Came out of a sports centre at 9pm and it was -7. About a dozen cars in the car park, everyone started their engines and got out their scrapers. I'd activated cabin pre-heat about 5 mins before and just drove off.
We just hit the defrost remotely so it's all nice and toasty when we need it plus being the dual motor snow driving isn't an issue, almost as good as our old Range Rover in the snow!
My experience with my first EV this winter, is that at -5 degrees, I saw that the car was completely frozen on all windows, used the phone app to do a 5 minute pre-heat, then when I went to the car, all windows were clear. I've never had that before, but I am sure some new ICE cars have some functions like that. But certainly a good experience compared to any previous car and not worried about the cold at this point. I can freely admit that the efficiency is down in the really cold weather because everyone is using heated seats, etc. I get 3.6 miles per kWh in winter, compared to 4.6 in fairer weather, so it does take a hit. In real terms, my car did 300 miles on a full charge in mild weather and in -5 degrees Celsius, it does 235 - that is a significant hit, but does not really cause a problem in reality.
It is true though that the cold weather affects range, but it's not catastrophic. The battery is less efficient at cold temps and with battery and cabin heaters on it's no real surprise, but if you can charge from home it's no big deal. I've probably lost about 30-40% in my MX and averaging just over 2mi/kWh (its normally 3mi/kWh in summer).
One item to consider, it’s actually illegal to defrost an ICE car if you leave it running on your drive/road whilst you’re indoors waiting for it to defrost, unlike EV, neither tick. As everyone is stating, defrosting an EV is a great feature, yes, the cold impacts the total distance, but not significantly that I change my plans, I still drive 200 miles for my usual charge as I do in the summer months.
The funny thing is that the cold itself only cost me about -10 miles on a 111 mile nissan leaf 30kw. Running the heater has a further impact but still well within another 10 miles for a full charge. So im getting 91 miles on a charge rather than 111. The way how the antiEV talk about it I thought I'd be looking at 60 miles max range before turning on the heater.
Pre heating the car before you get in has to be one of the best features. Every year you read in the tabloids about people running their petrol car to defrost it, popping indoors to get something and someone steals their car and then they find the insurers won’t cover them!
@@johnthemagnificent7022 Yes my Land Rover had preheating too, but it's still slow and noisy compared to the fast and silent EV that replaced the LR, also letting an engine idle to warm up is bad, which the fragile Jaguar and LR engines don't need. You can claim all the ICE car benefits you like, but in reality, an EV is much cheaper to fuel, and much more convenient for those that have home charging.
@johnnodge4327 I haven't said they aren't... I keep my vehicles for years and years I've currently got two that I've had for over 20 years one of these I've had over 25 years. Best car I had was an Audi 80 which I had 23 years totally reliable and superb on fuel ⛽️
I do the exact same thing with my Kia, it was minus 5 here yesterday (Sunday) in London, and I had to go out at 7am. At quarter to I used the all to defrost it was great!
This can also be done for fossils with a block/coolant and cabin heater. We had that in all our cars since the 80s basically, a Defa system with a timer. The timer is set for a departure and the engine and cabin is nice and warm. These days the Defa system is also app controlled so no need to fiddle with a timer in the car.
It's not something a lot of UK cars have though. Also, with an EV you can COOL the car in the summer before you get in, which can be equally convenient.
I live in a humid subtropical climate (Gainesville, Florida) and do the same except that most of the time I am cooling down my EV's cabin. Starting cooling from my phone app 10 minutes ahead of departure is usually sufficient to have the cabin comfortable by the time I am ready to depart. How difficult is it to do that? One click turns on my phone, one more click opens the app, and a third click starts the car's climate system. Since I am just far enough north to get a little cold weather during winter (30F or about minus 1C this morning), I use the same 3-click procedure for warming the car's cabin on a rare frosty morning. Range loss is a negligible 2 miles for heating (resistance heat -- no heat pump) or half that if cooling. As a point of comparison, my F-150 uses about 0.75 gallons of gasoline per hour while idling. If I ran it for 10 minutes to cool down (or warm up) its cabin, the truck would consume about 2.5 miles of its range.
Got my model 3 a couple of months ago and loving it of course, but it really came into its own this week with the precondition to get the cars cabin temp up ready for me to drive to work… walk outside and all the cars in the street were frozen iceboxes and mine was nicely defrosted and toasty when I got in to drive. One of the best features it has 👌🏽
@@shreeshsaurya4203 I scheduled it mainly, if not, just turn the heater on about 10 mins before I leave if the times different. What I do like is that it now’s where you plan to drive to on certain times of the day.
As a LEAF driver I have the same control over defrost, heating etc. NO scrapeing (or bowing) .I simply phone the car with my requirementsas I eat breakfast, etc. I don't use the available presets as my day varies so much. Using heater whilst driving does cut my range by about 20 miles on the coldest days, but since my desired range is 200 that is no problem. The heated seats don't even show up on the usage meter.
When I get up in the morning and look at the cars all frosted over, I think thank god I don't have to get an ice scrapper out. About 15 minutes before I'm due to leave I get on my app and pre-heat my model 3 to 20 degrees, heat my seat and stearing wheel, when I get in the car it's nice and toasty and defrosted.
Illegal to run idle here in Norway. Apparently you can get up to 5k NOK fine for doing so. Chance of getting one is pretty slim if its at home in the morning.
I have a Kia E-Niro 4+. One click on the app and 5-10 mins later, a toasty warm defrosted car, heated seats, and steering wheel. I love it! And all happening while I finish my morning coffee.🙂
Our Seat Mii does seem to suffer far more in the cold than the LEAF or the Tesla M3 did. However I hadn't realised that it's fine to charge to 100%, in cold weather. Out of intrest what do you think the cut-off point is? 10 deg C?
Dave that comment that you displayed early in he video I think was making the point, somewhat obscurely, that the UK was close to power outages last week and how would you be able to drive your EV if there was no electricity to charge it not that it isn't any good in cold weather as of course us owners know it is. They obviously forgot that there was also be no electricity to power the petrol pumps either.
I once mentioned the petrol pumps not working in a blackout to an anti-EV person, and his reply was that petrol pumps had a crank handle so the fuel could be pumped into the car. Can you imagine the queues? Not helped by the cash registers not working either! :)
I've heard some Tesla's suffer from the Windows breaking when they're completely frozen. I heard they don't drop down enough to clear the window housing when frozen, causing them, on occasion to break. I heard that Tesla did do an update to counter this, but I wonder if it's still an issue for those that don't take the time to defrost?
@@davetakesitonGo Green Autos recently did a YT video on how to avoid this happening. They used their own Tesla on a freezing cold day to show the actions to take.
About 10 minutes for "full pre-heat" sounds about right and perfectly correct from that exterior temp. Dear haters, that's without the car being in a drivable/stealable state (unlike the vast majority of ICE cars). Quite honestly, I'd have been happy to start driving once the windscreen was cleared at half that time and is what I did on Thursday/Friday this week (the coldest days of the recent cold snap).
Back in Oct I would have been an EV "hater",but I had to have a loan car,A Vauxhall Mokka EV,never had so much fun! Started looking to PT my Diesel.Went for a 2nd hand MG5 ( budget constraint).Have enjoyed every moment,yes at first had the range anxiety but once into the swing no bother,mainly do 30/50 mile a day journeys but 10 miles here 15 there etc.Have done a few 200 mile round trips but use Electroverse,put in start and end charge required and see what it suggests,also mental note of other charging stations.Having to stop one or twice no problem would do it anyway.Plug in at night and for a £1 get my 30 odd miles back.Icy mornings no problem,3 mins and the heater is doing its thing.Cheaper service ,insurance tyres etc.The only "negative" if it is,is being aware of the right foot! Those wheels do spin if I'm not careful
I must say leaving the house for work with the car defrosted and nice and warm is brilliant seeing ice people scraping there cars I will never miss that it uses very little power as the car has a heat pump well done Dave 👍🏻
i love my EV on mornings like this, for the past 3 days its been -6C where i live and i leave for work at 0445, when i had a ICE car id need to go sit in it running for 20 mins to get the windscreen clear, now i just set the time in my app and its ready to go for 0445. i noticed yesterday that my Corsa-e stops charging while its preheating the cabin(was at 86%) and it pulls about 1.2KWH of power doing it(according to my smart meter)
The last week has been bitterly cold, every morning when I go to work its been between -4 & 2°c. I have a BYD Dolphin and scheduled it to warm up 10 minutes before I need to leave. Its been quite funny coming out to perfectly defrosted windows at 6:30am and everyone else is thick with ICE 😉😆
I can't control my basic E Berlingo from outside to heat up.Once in the car it doesn't take long to heat the windscreen and warm the car.Range is affected by the cold but I charge at home very cheap so it doesn't bother me .
Pre heat is great on daily commute just set in 15mins before you go and everything is toasty and if your worried about draining battery leave it plug in and and it heats of the mains
I lived in Eastern Europe for a few years, and we got cold winters. My Nissan Terrano diesel really disliked -20 C and needed special chemicals added to the fuel. A stinky job. Below -30 just don't bother trying to start it. When I got a poxy subaru diesel - it was even worse and struggled to start at -15. Also returned a thirsty 7 litres per 100km - it was my last diesel EVER. NMC car batteries are less than 15 years old, LFP is a temporary solution with prototype high density solid state batteries reportedly being tested already. I also note that many ICE vehicles in the North American rocky mountains are plugged into electricity for heating overnight, as a tourist I didn't learn why. But it should be clear that ICE also face challenges to reliable operation in the cold, despite being a used and improved for a century.
It's a good feeling sitting in a warm house on these -8 degrees mornings whilst the EV pre-heats , all timed on the cars app. It's quiet and clean, unlike the neighbours rattly smelly diesel taking around 10 minutes to defrost. What's not to like.
i have a enyag the only problem is the headlights freeze up, I need to unfreeze these first as for the rest its fine interior heads up fine including the windscreen
At - 1 degree Celsius I had a consumption of 2.8 miles/kW when I was using the heating at 27 degrees and max fan, front seats heated and wheel heated for fast heating. After driving a few miles and making the heating at 21 degrees and stopping the seats and the wheel, the consumption raised to 3.2 miles/kW. Pretty good. In the summer I have somewhere between 4.8 and 5.5 with the AC for cooling. The max range dropped at - 1 degrees Celsius by about 40 miles, instead of 300-310 during the summer, I've got around 265 miles with full battery. I am OK as I am commuting about 30 miles a day. When the temperatures are positive I have consumption of around 4 miles/kW. As I see it, for cold wheater it's OK. Now Offcourse, if the temperature drops under - 5 degrees, it would be worst but I wouldn't drive anyway as I value my safety more.
Like the Autopilot feature this is another feature I didn't think I would use until I tried it. I don't have a scraper but keep a bit of de-icer in the frunk as the doors sometimes still frozen even after pre-heating(but that happens on a ICE car) 😊
Yes but if you wanted to travel 99 miles you can’t now (just waiting on someone saying that). My commute takes 22-25% each way in the summer and 32-35% each way in the winter. I love the fact I can do my daily commute for £1.60 maximum where my diesel was £10-12. I do hate the fact that I have to defrost my wife’s petrol vehicle.
In my Mach-E car was showing -6C on Saturday & I needed to make a trip into town, I didn't have a scheduled leaving time & screen & doors were frozen. Inside the house I switched climate control & was set for 5 mins only. Didn't even loose any percentage but within the 5mins windows totally unfrozen & seat warming up.. If I was planning a longer journey I would have it plugged in & scheduled a departure time to also warm up batteries to increase milage lose.as you showed. Couldn't ever do that with any ICE car. Ford has a heated front & rear windscreens
Because I can home charge I leave my Tesla MY plugged in in cold weather. This allows the car to regulate what it needs to and to warm up / precondition without using additional battery power. Newer studies indicate that certain EVs with heatpumps have a similar degradation in range as ICE vehicles (Teslas, some Hyundai etc) - that is around 10-20%. For reference see the Ars Technica article.
Itd be a lot better for you Dave if every vehicle on the road was a ev with you living within 50 metres of the m6. I recognise the area as i did the play area fencing and gates about 25 years ago. Both ICE and EV's have advantages over each other but the balance and advantages are starting to tip towards EV's.
I programmed my car to be ready at a certain time every morning, so when I open the door, it is toasty and windows all clean and defrosted (no more "ICE" on the windows :-) ). I don't even loose 1% of the battery for it. EVs are beautiful technology and life changing. The only regret I have with EVs is that they didn't exist much much earlier. All those years I wasted with ICE cars.
I read on a Tesla forum that if it is really cold, say -9 that you should not use defrost as it can crack the windscreen. But to use the climate control instead. Can you advise? Thanks
For removing external ice/frost off all windows, why not just pour cold tap water over all affected areas? Takes maximum 2 or 3 splashes in as many minutes and seems to work, for me, without heating up car or heating up water or scraping.
The only problem with my Enyaq in the ice and snow is the ice scraper! Long a "simply clever" feature of Skodas it sits in its little holder, unloved while the car defrosts itself before I have even stepped out of the house. Poor thing….
It's day 11 of snow on the ground and about 6 inches worth.Winter tyres have been great and it has been as low as -10c.MG5 defrosted in a few minutes,but I don't have an app so the car has to be started. ICE cars are living up to their name...blocks of ICE.Also had to push an ICE car,and a van out of ditches.Both had totally bald summer tyres on.Yet we EV drivers are made out to be idiots by the ICE brigade.🤔🤔
If EVs are so bad in the cold then why are almost 90% of new cars sold in Norway an EV? I've got half an EV as I drive a 2020 e-Golf. Sure the range is pretty bad if its -20C, but it is enough for me. We've had temps down around -15C for over a week and my car is doing just fine.
@@johnthemagnificent7022 Not sure if that was a question and to what part of my post. I'm calculating around 80-90 miles of range using 3.45 miles/kWh in the cold at around -15C and using 80% of the battery. Not driven far in the freezing cold yet and I can't drop as low in winter. The heater shuts off when the car estimates 15 miles left. Not pleasant in the freezing cold for long. The car is not really suited for road trips. In the summer I could probably do 125 miles using 90% of the battery. Get around 4.7-4.8miles/kWh in summer I don't have motorways around me here in western Norway so I'm limited to roughly 50mph roads and the average is probably around 45mph due to sections of road in the 30-45mph range. The values are rough as I have converted from metric to imperial units. Modern EVs that are designed as an EV from the ground up do much better than this converted fossil, but it's good enough for me. Plenty of small EVs in the same size category that have double the range or more these days. I do 99% of my driving locally anyway and charge once a week at most. I also don't blast full heat in the winter just to drive 5 minutes to the store. I set it to the minimum which is 16C and add a bit of seat heating. I'm also lucky enough to have an apartment garage that don't see negative temps unless its been -20C for a while outside. It's usually in the 0 to +5C range in winter.
I didn't know pre heat of electric cars was so easy, down south we don't have many hard frost, I used to take the motorbike if the car had a bit of frost 😅
No that is a totally wrong assumption. Some older basic Teslas have a shorter range and some newer top end Teslas have a much longer range. There is no such thing as a Tesla having a “range” just like there is no such thing as a Ford having a range!
6:52 - phone is 11:20 and interior is 19C 7:08 - phone is 11:19 and interior is 20C Interesting. You also forgot to mention what available millage was the night before and how low temperatures affected range. These are the main issues BEV sceptics have, not 10 minutes of defrosting. By the way, this kind of frost I would remove from my Vectra in 2-3 minutes. And one last thing, I understand that overpaying for fast charger and wasting 15-20 minutes is not an issue for you, but for many it's not acceptable.
Wow, what a sad life. clearly someone who doesn't want an EV spends maybe 10 minutes of his or her life watching a video about EVs which they will clearly never want to buy in the hope of finding their gotcha moment to catch out all us EV drivers who do actually know what we are talking about. Have you really not got anything better to do with your life? BTW if you watch the video again, wasting another 10 minutes of your life, then you will see the the app on my mobile counts in whole minutes; listen as I count temperature going up whole 5 degrees, 6 degrees etc and when I go out to the car it is reading 19.5C, meaning the car measures in half degree increments. The mobile app is simply alternating between 19 and 20 degrees and the point of the video was to see how much power was used or range was lost using pre-heating. Virtually nothing. Keep looking, or better still just buy an EV.
Lovely content by the way. Not sure what the fuss is all about I do not have home charging or a a garage for that matter. If I know I am going out, I just pre-heat it from my Volvo app, say 20 minutes before leaving, and I am good to go. Thanks
I don't understand all the misinformation about EV's and cold weather. My EV actually does better in the cold than does my ICE vehicles. Sure I can lose up to 15-20% of my range when it goes below 0F (-18C) but it rarely ever gets that cold and my ICE vehicles suffer nearly the same loss in range at such temperatures. I love that my EV can produce heat right away. With an EV you don't have to wait for the vehicle to heat up. As well (since I charge at home) I enjoy having the car warmed and defrosted while still on the charge cable. My EV is fully charged every morning, warmed and defrosted before I've finished my breakfast. The EV weight issue is massively overblown as well. Sure it's heavier than a comparable ICE vehicle but it's only slightly so, maybe an extra 250 lbs. in my case and the extra pounds over the drive wheels actually helps in the snow. My EV is MUCH more stable on snow covered roads. Finally, I think ICE vehicle owners fail to understand just how much energy an EV battery pack actually holds. When stuck in a traffic jam for hours (like the infamous Snow-Mageddon incident on I-95 that lasted nearly 24 hours), an EV with a battery having only a 50% charge can last for days with its cabin heater drawing between 250-500W of power. ICE vehicles would be more likely to run out of gas while idling overnight. ICE owners would also have to worry about CO and CO2 buildup inside the car.
@@idmbadvisoryltd3205 If you realise you are going to be running late, you can manually stop it too. The heating only takes a few minutes, so the drain in the battery is tiny.
It’s a real nuisance, I mean if I’m going out I set my car to climate control while I wash/dress and have breakie and get on my way! It’s so difficult! How much fuel is used in an ice car defrosting? And yes I can set my 2008 on a schedule!
I made a comment on an Autoalex video that trashed EVs, about how cheap my EV is to run. It was weeks and weeks ago but ICE addicts are still making silly inaccurate comments in response. It just shows how scared these luddites are of losing their petrol and diesel cars in the coming years.
Literally the best thing about having an ev. Conversely for the few days in summer that it gets to 30°C on summer it works in reverse with AC!
Everyone (apart from the EV haters club, of course) should be directing anyone, who doesn’t know the truth of the matter, to this video.
Well done, Dave. You really took them on today!
I got my first ev in September, one of the best features for me is definitely pre heating the cabin without leaving the house rather than having to sit in a freezing car with it running until its defrosted. Loving my ev in winter 😊
But we all got our electric bills increased from £350 a year to £2000 to cover the petrol taxes lost by ev cars ? Well done dumb ass ....
Same here. And a nice cold car in Summer!
Yes same as my Jaguar E Pace diesel just warm it up from the comfort of my living room chair..... it's not just Milkfloats that can be pre warmed from an app for crying out loud 😂
@@johnthemagnificent7022I didn't know this. Does it have to have the engine on? How does it work?
@judebrown4103 yes the engine is running the doors remain locked of course..... and 45mpg
Good grief...not this again. I'm just back (Sunday evening) from Manchester having driven down on Saturday morning from Glasgow in my 4 year-old MG5. It was snowing/sleeting on the way down. Horrible salt spray on the way back up. Admittedly I was surprised at the snow I saw in Cheshire as we had none at all in Glasgow...just -7c. Despite not having driven the car all week...it performed impeccably. No worries...even though I had the heater blasting at 24c.
If battery electric vehicles were rubbish in winter then I'm sure Norway would have blown the whistle on this a long time ago.
And I can't preheat my battery. It's as basic as it gets...and still works.
Nice video Dave
Cheers from another Dave
What kind of mileage do you get on the motorway, heater at 24?
@The_Macaroon I think I got 3.2 miles per kwh on that trip. It's all hills mind you at 1c yesterday. At 70mph it's about 150 miles range but I rarely go below 20% before stopping to charge. Overall, happy with its performance in winter. Summer is nearer 180+miles at 70mph.
EV's in cold weather are usually only an issue for those who've never owned one, or who keep reading the Sun etc........
Or the Daily Fail. Or who watch Mc2@ or Gimp Buys Cars.
Yeah and they all going to blow up are worth 10p . Whilst my 40 year old Skoda does 100mpg and I have only spent £20 on one oil change since I bought it. So stick your radioactive ev.
A human would have to have learned how to read in order to "read" The Sun, I presume...
One of my favorite parts of owning an EV is being able to warm it up in the garage without worrying about carbon monoxide.
You are like a hollywood actor now. They also used to warm their teslas in garages. Now they don't have teslas, nor garages, nor even homes. It will take one diesel landrover to destroy a town, the wokier the quicker.
@ why don’t you go test drive an EV and see how you like it. A fire is going to burn a car whether it’s an EV or an ICE vehicle, so I’m not following your point there.
I’m new to EVs having bought my Tesla model 3 dual motor in November and I love it . Yesterday, I did a return trip from Sheffield to Liverpool, about 180 miles altogether. From an 80% charge, I completed a mixture of very hilly roads across the Pennines, fast driving on the motorways and some city driving. All this happened on the coldest day of the year so far, and I arrived home with 36 miles left in the tank. At no point did I drive gently to conserve range despite fans, seats and steering wheel being heated the whole time…what more can you ask!
Not a Tesla.
A diesel
@@kalex381 just don't try to drive into town in a diesel. The children and asthmatics don't like the toxins
Thanks for the winter report.
Here in Ontario Canada it's been -15C for over a week my LR Model Y is running great.
Preheat to 18C 15 minutes before I leave
Drives great in the snow with winter tires.
Energy usage goes up to 190Wh/km at -15C from summer 150Wh/km. Note gas cars also loose range in winter.
By the way -1C is just sweater weather also thats not snow, thats a lithe dusting of icing sugar.
-1C we issue yellow alerts, great to hear you cope so well
@@davetakesitonFor Canucks, Yellow Alert! means huskies got out in the snow😅
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck 🤣
I must admit being able to condition my car before getting in is brilliant. I’ll accept the reduced range (I can’t charge at home) and as others have mentioned, I travel less in the winter and bad weather anyway.
I have a ten year old leaf and it has no issues whatsoever in the cold 👍
Hi Dave. Loved the video. Just bought a model, Y 22 plate daul motor, and loving the car. Don't have the app yet. I'm still waiting for the V5 to arrive before I can set my car up.
Temperature dropped to -5 here in South Wales. There are no issues with the car at these temps. Even without the app, the car defrosted within 3-5 minutes. My partners car took a lot longer (ice). Frozen locks and a lot of de-icer required.
Like yourself, i don't take any notice of the EV bashers. Home charging is a dream. Keep up the good work. We need people like you putting out this information. Well done.
One of the best features of EV .. cooled in Summer, warmed & defrosted in minutes in the Winter, while I have my porridge and watch the neighbours scraping away in the cold 😀 Uses at most 1%. Gotta say the Tesla App looks good.
I bought my Peugeot E2008 back in April 24, love it and love the preheat in the frosty mornings. For all those that knock EV's all i would say is don't knock until you have tried it.
@@richardswaine7299 it's not just Milkfloats that can be preheated richard
Thanks. I've 3 EVs, bmw i3s, IX, and Volvo EX30. Love the videos.
Thanks for your support, much appreciated, Dave
Hadn't used my EV for a few days, it was covered in ice. Got the phone out opened the app turned on climate control on, plus heated seats and steering wheel. Went out10 minutes later all cleared and nice and warm.
Used to have a Kia Rio. Lovely car had it many years.
@Chromie2-ph2kzSo if you don’t know how stuff works or understand physics why even bother posting. You just look stupid.
@Chromie2-ph2kzagain, thanks for letting us know you don’t understand physics or maths.
Great video Dave 👍🏻 I got my first EV in December and the preconditioning feature is brilliant. I love getting into a warm car when it’s freezing outside, that’s clear of ice and the steering wheel and seat is warm. I was quite sceptical before getting an EV but it’s definitely been the best decision I’ve made.
Same here. However putting wind screen (and even rear window) cover, wing mirror mittens etc on the night before, saves even doing that (the defrosting bit).
I love warming the car up and defrosting from the comfort of my home. I’m sure the EV haters delight in freezing their fingers when scraping the windscreen or going out into the cold to achieve the same outcome as you have just demonstrated. I’m not sure what motivates the EV haters, my EV is just a car with a different transmission that can also do some really helpful (cool?) things. Cheers Dave, keep up the good work.
I believe it’s jealousy with a lot of EV haters that they just cannot bear to admit. I take great satisfaction in believing that.
It's just fear of the unknown bless 'em. They just can't bear change, the poor wee mites.
@@davidilm3752 do you think it is that complicated?
FYI
1) There was a fan on the Tesla home page on your phone, if you touch that the heating will start from there.
2) We will get a second EV soon, my wife think mine is so good in winter! No scraping ever after 3.7 years.
3) As I am from Sweden, I do not consider -1 really cold. When I go home from work in winter and it is -18, I can sit down in a T-shirt after 5 min of real defrosting in a model3. No more frost on the windscreen by rhen either by the way.
Yes, at-1C here we get yellow weather alerts. Same here I look forward to my wife getting EV so I’m not sent out to scrape her car
@@davetakesiton 😂
We don't consider -1 particularly cold either.
Last winter was EXCEPTIONALLY warm, especially January where we barely got really cold ever. VERY unusual - this winter is back to more normal cold. But we haven't had really cold (- 30) in at least five years, which is very nice.
I find our e3008 GT it heats up quicker than a previous 3008 petrol. Because you get the heat straight away rather waiting for the water in the engine to warm up so that saves about 20 minutes. Plus preheating the cabin the ice on all the windows gone in snot 5 minutes. So no scraping, those days have gone. Unlike my neighbours out with the scrapers and the engines running for about 20 minutes.
Plus, another and advantage with the app . We usually go late night shopping as it’s nice and quiet for the wife as she has disability. . Why I was still at work using the app I preheated the car which was at home so when I got home, it was ready to drive straight off shopping.
Yes BEV might have some disadvantages, but there’s more advantages than disadvantages.
Never go back to petrol
Our ICE car hasn’t moved since the cold/snow/frost hit. Its always the EV keys that get picked up. Interior warm and glass clear before leaving the house. Now looking to swap the ICE car for another EV.
We changed out my wife's Toyota for an MG4 for that reason, along with cost of running (first service on MG4 was £80) and ease of use. Of course the other reason is that we are not contributing to Trump's 'hoax' - biggest reason of all!
@@pauleast4372 I do not see China as an advantage over Trump.
But my EV is an ioniq 5, S Korea. And it defrosts much faster than any ICE car (without stand heater build in...because this is possible in ICE cars for a few 1000 of dollars. In a really cold climate an ICE would not even work without a stand heater...First warming the oil in the carter before even starting attempos are possible. (In that same really cold climate the EV must be connected continous to the grid...when temps are below -18 celsius. (0 Fahrenheid) because the BM
I have a 2024 Mini Countryman S E (that’s the EV version) and a 2023 diesel Land Rover Defender 90 - both precondition remotely from an app. Biggest difference between the two is that while Defender’s windows defrost the heated seats and steering wheel don’t come on. The car burns 0.5 liters of diesel (so 16 miles of range) and spews poison out of its exhaust pipe (not to mention the soot slowly clogs the DPF) while it’s idling. In the 10 minutes the EV takes to defrost the glass all round it also heats the front seats and steering wheel and brings the cabin temperature up to 23C without no tailpipe emissions or rattle engine noise. Battery consumption is less than 2kWh or reduced range is about 3 miles or negligible if I do it while the car is plugged in. Result, the Land Rover hardly gets used in winter other than for off-road needs and assisting my GP neighbour get to remote living patients that her car hasn’t the capability to get to in the current weather. The EV is also 4WD but doesn’t have the ground clearance to deal with deep snow, but it is the go to car in cold weather. Compared to the summer my efficiency has dropped from 4 miles/kWh to 3.2, my Defender on the other hand has dropped from 34mpg to 28 if I don’t precondition it.
I start out at 6am in my kia e-nero. Pre conditioning set at 5.30am. Completely defrosted and toasty warm with warm seats and steering wheel. Car still locked while warming up. No omissions. And n chance of someone driving it away.
Sure the range drops in cold weather as batteries aren't as efficient. But at 90% charge, I'll get a range of approx 220 miles. I drive an average of 100 miles a day. So I'm well covered. Ive owned the car 6 months. Covered 9000 miles. And home charging has so far cost me £200. My previous 2.0l diesel would have cost 10 times that much.
Evs are a revelation in my opinion. But im fully aware, that it depends on your circumstances.
Mr Till has also done a short video on how hard to defrost his niro at -4 ... he pressed a button and it was defrosted in less than 5 mins ... so easy....., thanks dave for the video..
I miss the Winter nostalgia of burning fuel going nowhere, standing outside just in case someone tries to steal your vehicle🤣🤣
I miss my £350 a year household electric bill now £2000 a year due to idiot EV owners and government loses millions in petrol taxes so they put up elecricity bills by huge amount , well done son ... Think my 508SW HDi 1.6 with stop start doing 75 upto 115 MPG on a run will be outside 20 years ! Keep your EV !
@@curtisducati Change is hard and a little frightening for most folks and they will likely latch on to anything that fits their narrative in order to maintain the status quo - and there is a lot of FUD to latch on to with regard to EVs. Keep watching Dave's videos, he'll set you straight.
@@curtisducatiwatch your blood pressure. Too much salt
@curtisducati s**tting Peugeot 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe best for you to keep doing it, but stay inside the garage. Best with the doors closed, otherwise it will get to cold in the garage. 🤣🤣
I do like a good laugh when you get a ICE driver posting something stupid. Think my last ICE car took 10mins to finally get some heat coming through to do any useful deicing; so a 20mile journey it was doing 15 miles to a Gallon.
Got to love pre-heat at 7p and the electric screen.
And no frozen fingers scraping ice off the windscreen. :)
For removing external ice/frost off all windows, why not just pour cold tap water over all affected areas? Takes maximum 2 or 3 splashes in as many minutes and seems to work, for me, without heating up car or heating up water or scraping.
@@XXKXXKXX You are still getting into a cold car, which will take time to warm up, and using more fuel while it is warming up on choke
@@XXKXXKXX Because I can't reach the car from my bed. :)
@@XXKXXKXX That would mean going out in the cold! ;)
@DavidPlayfair didn't do me any har- ☃️ 🚗..!
Possibly the greatest feature is pre heating. I was heating our car from 250 miles away ready for my wife to set off in the morning last week, while I spent 30 minutes in minus 6 trying to open a door on the work diesel to get a scraper out.
Great video , I live in Canada and at time I can be in -20c and I have never had a problem yet , yes when its that cold my range drops 20% to 25% less depending on the charging station it maybe a little slower . I drive a Genesis GV 60 2023 AWD which I have found it to be very good in the snow .
App control of preconditioning is brilliant, my last EV didn't have it (Nissan Leaf Acenta), just via timer. My newly acquired BMW i3 does and it's brilliant 🤩
Srange. My 2015 Leaf had app controlled preheating until it was discontinued by Nissan prematturely.
Just did 1400 mile trip to Atlanta and back to Detroit. Well below freezing and 4-6 inches of snow on the way down. No issues. I was even able to charge at each of the hotels I stayed at, so I started with enough range to skip the next planned DCFC.
Best part is not having to stand outside the car in the cold and wet to fuel regularly. The car has my planned charge every morning. I normally charge to 70% as I only use 20-30% on a normal day.
Great video Dave 😁👍
My Peugeot 2008e, has a setting that I’ve setup for it to warm up 15 minutes before I leave for work. All frost has gone and the car is lovely and warm inside.
Great channel Dave. Very pleased that you are providing so much useful information. There is definitely an increased rate in EV uptake just by seeing what’s being driven on a day to day basis. Very much looking forward to the day when I am able to buy one.
This is our first winter with an EV as one of our cars. We had an unusually hard frost last week, so both the EV and diesel needed to be defrosted.
I set the EV to defrost for the wife, then started the diesel to get it warming to clear the window.
The EV was completed in under 10 minutes, but the diesel was only just beginning to melt the frost at the bottom of the screen. I had to scrape the rest of the screen, in order to drive the car, yet the wife had already driven off, with a lovely warm car, while I was cold and had wet hands.
EVs are just so much better.
I try to educate people about ev's whenever I get questioned or get negative comments about ev ownership, and people either belive me or tell me I'm wrong, but when I tell them I warm and defrost my car with an app on my phone from the sofa 5 mins before I go out to the car the reaction is always amazement.
this last week or so I've enjoyed being able to open the doors without being iced, clear windows and the gust of hot air that comes out when I open the doors.
And I don't mind the 2p it costs me to do it, happy motoring EV heads, lets leave the kettle loving Diesel burning Icemen to their expensive fossils.
I lose about a third of my range, but I don't want to travel long distances in winter anyway. Also, preconditioning for the win!
Glad you said that because I calculated I had been losing nearly 30% of range in this cold snap and it doesn’t seem to matter if I preheat the battery whilst plugged in… 😮
@@mrpauly01 Does your EV have a heatpump? That can make a big difference apparently.
@ thanks for the response. Yes mine is a late 2021 model 3.
I've not tried a long journey in the depths of winter, but I don't think they'd be as badly affected as day-to-day driving would suggest. I think it's the heating the cabin for 10 mins, getting out, heating up again etc etc.
I recently noticed that after starting climate/pre-heat, it can take around an hour for the battery to pre-heat from around 6C to 16C when the outside temp is around 2C (this is with car connected to mains power). This doesn't matter at all for day to day commuting where losing a little efficiency at the beginning of a trip won't be noticed, but if you're setting out on a road-trip where every % matters, then might be worth keeping mains connected and turning on climate about an hour beforehand.
I use a Silence S02 scooter, with a 5.6 kWh batter. My journey to work, a 74 mile round trip. It was -5 here the other morning ( Dutton, Kent). Worked fine. The range does drop a bit in the cold, but nothing to worry about.
I got my Ioniq 5 end of October and it’s far more convenient and easier to own (disabled by neurological condition). I push a button on my phone when I start getting myself ready to go and then I get in a warm car with no de-icing needed. It has a heat pump so range is still good too. During extreme cold last week took a 220 mile round trip to the top of Hardknott pass and back to Southport. Set off on 85% could easily make it home with ~5-10% left but stopped at IONITY in Lancaster to use the toilet in McDonald’s next door. Charged at 199kw despite the freezing cold! Went from 28%-60% in the time it took to get served and have a piss! Love it!
Dave, picking up my 1st ev this week, thanks for the excellent information. One thing which I feel needs highlighting is the parking fines ev drivers are attracting for charging at hotels, such as the Holiday inn, near Bamber Bridge. £100 fine from parking eye, unless you go into the hotel and tell them you are charging!
Thanks for highlighting this. Unfortunately you always have to read parking signs very carefully. We parked at Novotel, Milton Keynes last week, and it was necessary to register the number plate within 20 mins of arrival to avoid a fine. There were ev chargers there too. 😊
Hi Dave, plenty of comments to this effect already, but wanted to chime in. Friday 10 January 2025 here in Oxfordshire, the frost was reforming at about 4:30pm, I was at work. About 5:30pm I left the office with a small group of colleagues to go home. Our cars were parked within sight of each other in the staff car park. I simply got in my BMW i3 and drove off, stopping briefly to explain to a shocked colleague trying to defrost her KIA Picanto that I had sent the precondition command to my i3 from my smartphone at about 5:20pm. My car was toasty and completely defrosted.
Worth it often for that feature alone
@@davetakesiton You can always spot my car in the car park at work at home time in the Winter. It’s the only one with frost free and condensation free windows!
I had a similar thing on that date. Came out of a sports centre at 9pm and it was -7. About a dozen cars in the car park, everyone started their engines and got out their scrapers. I'd activated cabin pre-heat about 5 mins before and just drove off.
We just hit the defrost remotely so it's all nice and toasty when we need it plus being the dual motor snow driving isn't an issue, almost as good as our old Range Rover in the snow!
I was about to say much the same - mine's setup to be warmed up by the time I get to it when I set off on weekday morning!
And on a weekend, I can use the app on the phone to tell the heating to come on before heading out.
My experience with my first EV this winter, is that at -5 degrees, I saw that the car was completely frozen on all windows, used the phone app to do a 5 minute pre-heat, then when I went to the car, all windows were clear. I've never had that before, but I am sure some new ICE cars have some functions like that. But certainly a good experience compared to any previous car and not worried about the cold at this point. I can freely admit that the efficiency is down in the really cold weather because everyone is using heated seats, etc. I get 3.6 miles per kWh in winter, compared to 4.6 in fairer weather, so it does take a hit. In real terms, my car did 300 miles on a full charge in mild weather and in -5 degrees Celsius, it does 235 - that is a significant hit, but does not really cause a problem in reality.
It is true though that the cold weather affects range, but it's not catastrophic. The battery is less efficient at cold temps and with battery and cabin heaters on it's no real surprise, but if you can charge from home it's no big deal. I've probably lost about 30-40% in my MX and averaging just over 2mi/kWh (its normally 3mi/kWh in summer).
One item to consider, it’s actually illegal to defrost an ICE car if you leave it running on your drive/road whilst you’re indoors waiting for it to defrost, unlike EV, neither tick.
As everyone is stating, defrosting an EV is a great feature, yes, the cold impacts the total distance, but not significantly that I change my plans, I still drive 200 miles for my usual charge as I do in the summer months.
In the US, states and cities have various "idling laws" - but I think the focus is more on trucking.
Not on a private drive.... Still stupid for security and pollution as well as engine wear however 😊
@@MsDmcclymont Fair point, for sure, your insurance company won’t pay if stolen whilst unattended.
The funny thing is that the cold itself only cost me about -10 miles on a 111 mile nissan leaf 30kw. Running the heater has a further impact but still well within another 10 miles for a full charge. So im getting 91 miles on a charge rather than 111. The way how the antiEV talk about it I thought I'd be looking at 60 miles max range before turning on the heater.
Pre heating the car before you get in has to be one of the best features. Every year you read in the tabloids about people running their petrol car to defrost it, popping indoors to get something and someone steals their car and then they find the insurers won’t cover them!
FFS I've got a Jaguar E Pace that I can pre heat from the comfort of my living room chair Some bloody saddos about 😂
@@johnthemagnificent7022
Yes my Land Rover had preheating too, but it's still slow and noisy compared to the fast and silent EV that replaced the LR, also letting an engine idle to warm up is bad, which the fragile Jaguar and LR engines don't need.
You can claim all the ICE car benefits you like, but in reality, an EV is much cheaper to fuel, and much more convenient for those that have home charging.
@johnnodge4327 I haven't said they aren't... I keep my vehicles for years and years I've currently got two that I've had for over 20 years one of these I've had over 25 years. Best car I had was an Audi 80 which I had 23 years totally reliable and superb on fuel ⛽️
I do the exact same thing with my Kia, it was minus 5 here yesterday (Sunday) in London, and I had to go out at 7am. At quarter to I used the all to defrost it was great!
This can also be done for fossils with a block/coolant and cabin heater. We had that in all our cars since the 80s basically, a Defa system with a timer. The timer is set for a departure and the engine and cabin is nice and warm. These days the Defa system is also app controlled so no need to fiddle with a timer in the car.
It's not something a lot of UK cars have though. Also, with an EV you can COOL the car in the summer before you get in, which can be equally convenient.
I live in a humid subtropical climate (Gainesville, Florida) and do the same except that most of the time I am cooling down my EV's cabin. Starting cooling from my phone app 10 minutes ahead of departure is usually sufficient to have the cabin comfortable by the time I am ready to depart. How difficult is it to do that? One click turns on my phone, one more click opens the app, and a third click starts the car's climate system. Since I am just far enough north to get a little cold weather during winter (30F or about minus 1C this morning), I use the same 3-click procedure for warming the car's cabin on a rare frosty morning. Range loss is a negligible 2 miles for heating (resistance heat -- no heat pump) or half that if cooling. As a point of comparison, my F-150 uses about 0.75 gallons of gasoline per hour while idling. If I ran it for 10 minutes to cool down (or warm up) its cabin, the truck would consume about 2.5 miles of its range.
Got my model 3 a couple of months ago and loving it of course, but it really came into its own this week with the precondition to get the cars cabin temp up ready for me to drive to work… walk outside and all the cars in the street were frozen iceboxes and mine was nicely defrosted and toasty when I got in to drive. One of the best features it has 👌🏽
@@shreeshsaurya4203 I scheduled it mainly, if not, just turn the heater on about 10 mins before I leave if the times different.
What I do like is that it now’s where you plan to drive to on certain times of the day.
takes 4-5 mins to completely defrost my car while i am still enjoying coffee inside.
As a LEAF driver I have the same control over defrost, heating etc. NO scrapeing (or bowing) .I simply phone the car with my requirementsas I eat breakfast, etc. I don't use the available presets as my day varies so much. Using heater whilst driving does cut my range by about 20 miles on the coldest days, but since my desired range is 200 that is no problem. The heated seats don't even show up on the usage meter.
When I get up in the morning and look at the cars all frosted over, I think thank god I don't have to get an ice scrapper out.
About 15 minutes before I'm due to leave I get on my app and pre-heat my model 3 to 20 degrees, heat my seat and stearing wheel, when I get in the car it's nice and toasty and defrosted.
I’m liking forward to the day my wife upgrades to an EV as I still get delegated to scrape hers
@@davetakesitonThese are modern times Dave, you shouldn’t have to do it, she should!
But don’t tell her I said that.
Illegal to run idle here in Norway. Apparently you can get up to 5k NOK fine for doing so.
Chance of getting one is pretty slim if its at home in the morning.
I have a Kia E-Niro 4+. One click on the app and 5-10 mins later, a toasty warm defrosted car, heated seats, and steering wheel. I love it! And all happening while I finish my morning coffee.🙂
Me too!
Me three 😂!
i honesty think most people are just scared and ignorant about the ease of use and utility of an ev. Nothing that few facts can’t sort out
Our Seat Mii does seem to suffer far more in the cold than the LEAF or the Tesla M3 did. However I hadn't realised that it's fine to charge to 100%, in cold weather. Out of intrest what do you think the cut-off point is? 10 deg C?
you did mention originally that it was minus 1 degree ,which is not really cold . you have shown that it is o k though ,interesting . good video .
Can someone explain why he mentions preheating the battery?
when you turn on climate in a Tesla, it pre-heats the cabin but also the main battery so that the efficiency will be better when you start driving.
What were you blurring on the road? Strange...
I’d rather be drinking a cuppa in the warm and using an app than freezing my bits off. 😂
Many others seem to agree with you
Dave that comment that you displayed early in he video I think was making the point, somewhat obscurely, that the UK was close to power outages last week and how would you be able to drive your EV if there was no electricity to charge it not that it isn't any good in cold weather as of course us owners know it is. They obviously forgot that there was also be no electricity to power the petrol pumps either.
I once mentioned the petrol pumps not working in a blackout to an anti-EV person, and his reply was that petrol pumps had a crank handle so the fuel could be pumped into the car.
Can you imagine the queues?
Not helped by the cash registers not working either! :)
I've heard some Tesla's suffer from the Windows breaking when they're completely frozen.
I heard they don't drop down enough to clear the window housing when frozen, causing them, on occasion to break.
I heard that Tesla did do an update to counter this, but I wonder if it's still an issue for those that don't take the time to defrost?
The Tesla windows are not the best design. If I’m in a hurry and they don’t have time to fully thaw, I squirt some de-icer around the edges.
Heard from where? please state your source or this will be regarded as just scare mongering
@@davetakesitonGo Green Autos recently did a YT video on how to avoid this happening. They used their own Tesla on a freezing cold day to show the actions to take.
About 10 minutes for "full pre-heat" sounds about right and perfectly correct from that exterior temp. Dear haters, that's without the car being in a drivable/stealable state (unlike the vast majority of ICE cars). Quite honestly, I'd have been happy to start driving once the windscreen was cleared at half that time and is what I did on Thursday/Friday this week (the coldest days of the recent cold snap).
Back in Oct I would have been an EV "hater",but I had to have a loan car,A Vauxhall Mokka EV,never had so much fun!
Started looking to PT my Diesel.Went for a 2nd hand MG5 ( budget constraint).Have enjoyed every moment,yes at first had the range anxiety but once into the swing no bother,mainly do 30/50 mile a day journeys but 10 miles here 15 there etc.Have done a few 200 mile round trips but use Electroverse,put in start and end charge required and see what it suggests,also mental note of other charging stations.Having to stop one or twice no problem would do it anyway.Plug in at night and for a £1 get my 30 odd miles back.Icy mornings no problem,3 mins and the heater is doing its thing.Cheaper service ,insurance tyres etc.The only "negative" if it is,is being aware of the right foot! Those wheels do spin if I'm not careful
I must say leaving the house for work with the car defrosted and nice and warm is brilliant seeing ice people scraping there cars I will never miss that it uses very little power as the car has a heat pump well done Dave 👍🏻
i love my EV on mornings like this, for the past 3 days its been -6C where i live and i leave for work at 0445, when i had a ICE car id need to go sit in it running for 20 mins to get the windscreen clear, now i just set the time in my app and its ready to go for 0445. i noticed yesterday that my Corsa-e stops charging while its preheating the cabin(was at 86%) and it pulls about 1.2KWH of power doing it(according to my smart meter)
The last week has been bitterly cold, every morning when I go to work its been between -4 & 2°c. I have a BYD Dolphin and scheduled it to warm up 10 minutes before I need to leave. Its been quite funny coming out to perfectly defrosted windows at 6:30am and everyone else is thick with ICE 😉😆
I can't control my basic E Berlingo from outside to heat up.Once in the car it doesn't take long to heat the windscreen and warm the car.Range is affected by the cold but I charge at home very cheap so it doesn't bother me .
Pre heat is great on daily commute just set in 15mins before you go and everything is toasty and if your worried about draining battery leave it plug in and and it heats of the mains
I lived in Eastern Europe for a few years, and we got cold winters. My Nissan Terrano diesel really disliked -20 C and needed special chemicals added to the fuel. A stinky job. Below -30 just don't bother trying to start it. When I got a poxy subaru diesel - it was even worse and struggled to start at -15. Also returned a thirsty 7 litres per 100km - it was my last diesel EVER. NMC car batteries are less than 15 years old, LFP is a temporary solution with prototype high density solid state batteries reportedly being tested already.
I also note that many ICE vehicles in the North American rocky mountains are plugged into electricity for heating overnight, as a tourist I didn't learn why. But it should be clear that ICE also face challenges to reliable operation in the cold, despite being a used and improved for a century.
It's a good feeling sitting in a warm house on these -8 degrees mornings whilst the EV pre-heats , all timed on the cars app. It's quiet and clean, unlike the neighbours rattly smelly diesel taking around 10 minutes to defrost. What's not to like.
Hidden benefits
I expect to -4°C tomorrow morning when I need to go to work, if I remember I will preheat it
i have a enyag the only problem is the headlights freeze up, I need to unfreeze these first as for the rest its fine interior heads up fine including the windscreen
Ev are great for winter, summer and everything inbe.
At - 1 degree Celsius I had a consumption of 2.8 miles/kW when I was using the heating at 27 degrees and max fan, front seats heated and wheel heated for fast heating.
After driving a few miles and making the heating at 21 degrees and stopping the seats and the wheel, the consumption raised to 3.2 miles/kW. Pretty good.
In the summer I have somewhere between 4.8 and 5.5 with the AC for cooling.
The max range dropped at - 1 degrees Celsius by about 40 miles, instead of 300-310 during the summer, I've got around 265 miles with full battery. I am OK as I am commuting about 30 miles a day.
When the temperatures are positive I have consumption of around 4 miles/kW.
As I see it, for cold wheater it's OK. Now Offcourse, if the temperature drops under - 5 degrees, it would be worst but I wouldn't drive anyway as I value my safety more.
-1c isn't that cold, is it?
Like the Autopilot feature this is another feature I didn't think I would use until I tried it. I don't have a scraper but keep a bit of de-icer in the frunk as the doors sometimes still frozen even after pre-heating(but that happens on a ICE car) 😊
Yes but if you wanted to travel 99 miles you can’t now (just waiting on someone saying that).
My commute takes 22-25% each way in the summer and 32-35% each way in the winter.
I love the fact I can do my daily commute for £1.60 maximum where my diesel was £10-12.
I do hate the fact that I have to defrost my wife’s petrol vehicle.
In my Mach-E car was showing -6C on Saturday & I needed to make a trip into town, I didn't have a scheduled leaving time & screen & doors were frozen. Inside the house I switched climate control & was set for 5 mins only. Didn't even loose any percentage but within the 5mins windows totally unfrozen & seat warming up.. If I was planning a longer journey I would have it plugged in & scheduled a departure time to also warm up batteries to increase milage lose.as you showed. Couldn't ever do that with any ICE car. Ford has a heated front & rear windscreens
Because I can home charge I leave my Tesla MY plugged in in cold weather. This allows the car to regulate what it needs to and to warm up / precondition without using additional battery power. Newer studies indicate that certain EVs with heatpumps have a similar degradation in range as ICE vehicles (Teslas, some Hyundai etc) - that is around 10-20%. For reference see the Ars Technica article.
Itd be a lot better for you Dave if every vehicle on the road was a ev with you living within 50 metres of the m6.
I recognise the area as i did the play area fencing and gates about 25 years ago.
Both ICE and EV's have advantages over each other but the balance and advantages are starting to tip towards EV's.
I programmed my car to be ready at a certain time every morning, so when I open the door, it is toasty and windows all clean and defrosted (no more "ICE" on the windows :-) ). I don't even loose 1% of the battery for it. EVs are beautiful technology and life changing. The only regret I have with EVs is that they didn't exist much much earlier. All those years I wasted with ICE cars.
My Nissan leaf is getting 121 miles full in winter. 154 in summer.
I read on a Tesla forum that if it is really cold, say -9 that you should not use defrost as it can crack the windscreen. But to use the climate control instead. Can you advise?
Thanks
For removing external ice/frost off all windows, why not just pour cold tap water over all affected areas? Takes maximum 2 or 3 splashes in as many minutes and seems to work, for me, without heating up car or heating up water or scraping.
@@XXKXXKXXwhy go out in the cold when you can just tap a button on an app from indoors?
The only problem with my Enyaq in the ice and snow is the ice scraper! Long a "simply clever" feature of Skodas it sits in its little holder, unloved while the car defrosts itself before I have even stepped out of the house. Poor thing….
Absolutelyright. I haven't need to use mine either. Perhaps they should put in an extra brolly instead.
@ some markets get two brolly’s already. AND the scraper
It's day 11 of snow on the ground and about 6 inches worth.Winter tyres have been great and it has been as low as -10c.MG5 defrosted in a few minutes,but I don't have an app so the car has to be started.
ICE cars are living up to their name...blocks of ICE.Also had to push an ICE car,and a van out of ditches.Both had totally bald summer tyres on.Yet we EV drivers are made out to be idiots by the ICE brigade.🤔🤔
If EVs are so bad in the cold then why are almost 90% of new cars sold in Norway an EV?
I've got half an EV as I drive a 2020 e-Golf. Sure the range is pretty bad if its -20C, but it is enough for me. We've had temps down around -15C for over a week and my car is doing just fine.
Is it really
@@johnthemagnificent7022 Not sure if that was a question and to what part of my post.
I'm calculating around 80-90 miles of range using 3.45 miles/kWh in the cold at around -15C and using 80% of the battery. Not driven far in the freezing cold yet and I can't drop as low in winter. The heater shuts off when the car estimates 15 miles left. Not pleasant in the freezing cold for long.
The car is not really suited for road trips. In the summer I could probably do 125 miles using 90% of the battery. Get around 4.7-4.8miles/kWh in summer
I don't have motorways around me here in western Norway so I'm limited to roughly 50mph roads and the average is probably around 45mph due to sections of road in the 30-45mph range.
The values are rough as I have converted from metric to imperial units.
Modern EVs that are designed as an EV from the ground up do much better than this converted fossil, but it's good enough for me. Plenty of small EVs in the same size category that have double the range or more these days.
I do 99% of my driving locally anyway and charge once a week at most. I also don't blast full heat in the winter just to drive 5 minutes to the store. I set it to the minimum which is 16C and add a bit of seat heating. I'm also lucky enough to have an apartment garage that don't see negative temps unless its been -20C for a while outside. It's usually in the 0 to +5C range in winter.
I didn't know pre heat of electric cars was so easy, down south we don't have many hard frost, I used to take the motorbike if the car had a bit of frost 😅
I thought the tesla had over 300 miles range, so I assume winter affects the range by 30%?
No that is a totally wrong assumption. Some older basic Teslas have a shorter range and some newer top end Teslas have a much longer range. There is no such thing as a Tesla having a “range” just like there is no such thing as a Ford having a range!
You've got the same kitchen worktop as me!... 😁
no he is just using your house for doing his video in.
its fine your at work when he comes hehehe
@@BeingD2023 🤣
6:52 - phone is 11:20 and interior is 19C
7:08 - phone is 11:19 and interior is 20C
Interesting.
You also forgot to mention what available millage was the night before and how low temperatures affected range. These are the main issues BEV sceptics have, not 10 minutes of defrosting. By the way, this kind of frost I would remove from my Vectra in 2-3 minutes. And one last thing, I understand that overpaying for fast charger and wasting 15-20 minutes is not an issue for you, but for many it's not acceptable.
Wow, what a sad life. clearly someone who doesn't want an EV spends maybe 10 minutes of his or her life watching a video about EVs which they will clearly never want to buy in the hope of finding their gotcha moment to catch out all us EV drivers who do actually know what we are talking about. Have you really not got anything better to do with your life? BTW if you watch the video again, wasting another 10 minutes of your life, then you will see the the app on my mobile counts in whole minutes; listen as I count temperature going up whole 5 degrees, 6 degrees etc and when I go out to the car it is reading 19.5C, meaning the car measures in half degree increments. The mobile app is simply alternating between 19 and 20 degrees and the point of the video was to see how much power was used or range was lost using pre-heating. Virtually nothing. Keep looking, or better still just buy an EV.
Lovely content by the way.
Not sure what the fuss is all about
I do not have home charging or a a garage for that matter.
If I know I am going out, I just pre-heat it from my Volvo app, say 20 minutes before leaving, and I am good to go.
Thanks
I lose about 35% of range compared to Spring/Autumn driving, but otherwise the car just works.
I don't understand all the misinformation about EV's and cold weather. My EV actually does better in the cold than does my ICE vehicles. Sure I can lose up to 15-20% of my range when it goes below 0F (-18C) but it rarely ever gets that cold and my ICE vehicles suffer nearly the same loss in range at such temperatures. I love that my EV can produce heat right away. With an EV you don't have to wait for the vehicle to heat up. As well (since I charge at home) I enjoy having the car warmed and defrosted while still on the charge cable. My EV is fully charged every morning, warmed and defrosted before I've finished my breakfast.
The EV weight issue is massively overblown as well. Sure it's heavier than a comparable ICE vehicle but it's only slightly so, maybe an extra 250 lbs. in my case and the extra pounds over the drive wheels actually helps in the snow. My EV is MUCH more stable on snow covered roads.
Finally, I think ICE vehicle owners fail to understand just how much energy an EV battery pack actually holds. When stuck in a traffic jam for hours (like the infamous Snow-Mageddon incident on I-95 that lasted nearly 24 hours), an EV with a battery having only a 50% charge can last for days with its cabin heater drawing between 250-500W of power. ICE vehicles would be more likely to run out of gas while idling overnight. ICE owners would also have to worry about CO and CO2 buildup inside the car.
My e nero 64kw look out window see it cold on phone tell it to pre heat walk to car and its ready to go
If you programme it to say depart at 7 am and then leave at 9am because you're running late what does the car do then?
It warms up and then stops... so it will need less heating at 9. You can also switch it off in the app if you know you are running late.
@@idmbadvisoryltd3205 If you realise you are going to be running late, you can manually stop it too.
The heating only takes a few minutes, so the drain in the battery is tiny.
@@javelinXH992 that's what I said!
@ I know!
@javelinXH992 I was confused because you replied to my post, rather than on the original comment.
Nice video
It’s a real nuisance, I mean if I’m going out I set my car to climate control while I wash/dress and have breakie and get on my way! It’s so difficult! How much fuel is used in an ice car defrosting? And yes I can set my 2008 on a schedule!
The Neanderthals will be Neanderthals Dave . Good vid as usual
I made a comment on an Autoalex video that trashed EVs, about how cheap my EV is to run. It was weeks and weeks ago but ICE addicts are still making silly inaccurate comments in response. It just shows how scared these luddites are of losing their petrol and diesel cars in the coming years.
@ and you are a moron that doesn’t understand physics or maths. Thanks for letting people know.
Rub the sticks together chaps. That makes fire.
The rest of us will use an app or press a button.