The first third of this video is by far the best piece of journalism about the car industry I have seen in a long time. It should be put out as a standalone story.
I used to have a PHEV and it was charged every night and used electric in the summer all the time 2 long runs a year so had to use petrol and also in winter both. Now moved to full EV as the infrastructure is a lot better then when I got my PHEV and you see plenty of videos of short range cars doing longer journeys on TH-cam.
I'm sure plenty of private owners used them as intended. The issue was fleet and them bring brought as company cars and getting the best government despite them never seeing a plug.
Yes, why wouldn’t you charge a plug in hybrid every night, you save a lot of many. Dave has it wrong l have to daughters that certainly plug in every night.
@@Barry-l1x because it's a private car and you charge for cheap at home. If you company forces a phev on you, they get the benefit of the most generous BIK green emissions tax breaks, and you just used it as a normal ice car
There's no evidence that Dave reads these comments, but just in case... Of course I'm on board with the environmental need for EVs to displace ICEs, but I confess I'm struggling with the increasingly condescending delivery tone of these videos. It's a challenge to continue to listen. Most of your audience are likely converts too? Perhaps it's a British culture thing to come across so sour (no offence intended)? I'm in Oz. I'd also like to reply to a couple of points you repeatedly upset me with. Yes I'm grateful to Tesla for advancing the EV plot in the early days, but using my power as a consumer, I can't personally endorse Elon by buying a Tesla now myself. He's done a lot of damage in Ukraine, social media, and US democracy (eg buying votes in the election - it's true!) These things mean more to me than a car. The other point is that I could very much use a little campervan here in Oz. A PHEV is the greenest option I can currently hope for given the state of regional charging infrastructure down here once you get off the motorways. Please stop telling me I wouldn't plug it in. I have no access to tax dodges for the purchase so have no other reason in choosing a PHEV than to make full use of it. A VW California PHEV would be ideal but OMG, VW Australia have not committed to importing anything other than a diesel! I can't sign up to belching those toxic oxides of nitrogen. And so I keep waiting. The Buzz-based electric California was delayed indefinitely due to excess weight and horrible motorway range. The PHEV is a perfectly valid aspiration for me. If it ever comes here VW will charge way too much, exacerbating the level of Luxury Tax payable on the purchase, but I'd still buy it if I could, for the greater good. Please Dave. I'm sure much of your audience have given this at least as much thought as I have. Maybe talk to us accordingly? Thanks if you read all this, and best of luck with the channel.
maybe we can have Dave chasing a red dot around the floor. so DaveTakesOn being a cat. saying tesla sales drop of course they will if other car companies make cars so customers have more choice or range. to pick from. The more reason why car companies fail is that they over charge for a sub standard car. compare the old Taycan vs the new one. the old one has had the most recalls, has a terrible 1.9 mile to a kWh. and the value has dropped because the it was not worth it.
The issue with ceding manufacturing to China is one of sovereignty - the West needs to retain the ability to manufacture goods or risk becoming vassal states.
The UK has been a vassal state for many years already... We make nothing of value on the global economy and once our financial services fall to the lunacy of this labour government we are in big trouble.
Dave, lets not counter misinformation from the media and it's legacy auto sponsors with similar distortions from us EV advocates. Last year in China there were 22.8m cars sold of which 11 million were NEVs (47.9%). NEVs includes PHEVs/EREVs (includes a petrol fed ICE) which made up approximately half of the NEV sales. So... 25% of cars sold in China were BEVs... Not quite what you suggested.
Dear Dave, it is dangerous to tell that NO PHEV owner would charge their PHEV daily....Better talk about MOST. Because at least I did charge twice every day my PHEV which I drove from 2015 to begin 2019 (until at last there was sufficient infrastructure from Netherlands to east borde of Poland available...which in Poland was build until autumn 2018. Still I needed some petrol daily ecause my PHEV ranged 45 km on a my 60 km to my workplace 75% was driven on electricity. At the charger at my work I recharged...also at night at home. Also there is a very good reason for chinese automakers to buy obsolete VW factories. First..Those factories have environnemental permissions to be there. (Polution standards and more) Second. Those places are permitted to build cars... Third. Assembling those Chinese cars within EU borders means that they avoid the very high "anti dumping" taxes when importing them to the EU (even maybe to the UK (only taxes between EU and UK are taken) and even USA because no 100% taxrate on EU products.
As the evidence is apocryphal and projection at best, then Dave shouldn't reinforce them as he is reflecting the same type of negative bias that he calls out in others, weakening his argument. The only published data is on the accuracy of WLTP/EPA estimates for PHEVs, which was too optimistic and due to revised this year. Another influence factor is the size of battery, those with smaller batteries tend to be fossill-fueled mrore often than those with larger batteries; with a number of legacy automakers fitting PHEVs with small batteries (
Love your work Dave. I get an ev at weekend but home charger will take another 6 weeks to get installed. I could do with finding the cheapest public fast chargers around Leyland. I’m in farington
Portable charger if you have a suitable socket, else try Aldi 11kW for about 25p or Tesla at Walton summit currently 48p for 250kW. So much easier and cheaper at home
If you force cars along certain routes and make them drive further from a to b what will the result be in those areas. Higher emissions. If you close lanes and make those lanes cycle lanes, which are hardly ever used. What effect does that have, it creates more congestion, so more emissions. If you monitor levels i those areas, it will tell you levels have risen. Wind also then moves them into other areas, just like how the SE levels rose when Europe had wildfires or when Iceland volcano erupted. So the data is lets say manipulated to give the result they need to say more action is needed. In London the worst levels are found the close you get to tube stations and on the actual underground system they are much higher, but no issue there. The tube system is electric, but they only concerned with co2 levels. I'm not anti EV, I'm actually getting one as it suits me better. But all this, ZEV is a scam created to discourage car ownership and usage. It's not even hidden now, they're opening to say that's the goal and the reason for the plan.
Clearly you have little actual experience with data collection whereas others, my middle son for example, spent several years making the sensors, carefully locating them and collecting actual data from a whole city on behalf of a council. He would differ in his final scientific analysis from your biased inaccurate personally guessed conclusion
@@davetakesiton The data collection stations have been on many roads since cars pumped out lead, well at least in London they have. What effect has the cycle lanes placed on roads into Preston had on daily commuter traffic and the levels before and after. Or LTN zones that you must drive around to get to a hospital, for instance. When were the sensors installed, before or after. From my mums house in Camden in central London, Now one has to travel at least 3 times the distance. Even to get to the local supermarket now, because you are forced to drive around an area. That's 3 times the pollution, is it not. Created by council policy. Close lanes and restrict flow, creates more congestion, which in turn creates more pollution. What about people who live in those areas, who are now subjected to higher levels than ever before. Because of these policies do they not matter. No, you want to talk about your son and stick your head up in the clouds. In some right or wrong attack. Like the wind doesn't blow, like acid rain wasn't a thing. IT seems you are clearly anti ice and just as bad as those who are anti EV IMO. Clearly I triggered you. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING YOU NEGLECTED TO MENTION OR THINK ABOUT. Yet ice cars, they are the cleanest they have ever been. Should I pick apart your biased view and factually incorrect information, based on what you believe to be true? That was not my intention. Which btw I did not I just pointed out the reasons of cause and effect but no, that you're choosing to dismiss that altogether says volumes. On behalf of the corporate council your son works for, who's signed up to the UN mandate and agenda. But you'll never see that or understand that, either.
Great news Dave! It is all a chicken and egg situation, and legacy do not wish to upset the hen house. The way Tesla seem to approach is that you have to break eggs to make the ommelette! It just produces cars and may change things as we go along. Until the Model 3 Highland came out, the Model 3 had still been updating but did not reflect anywhere that it had. You had to know and certain things such as a heat pump were added and known by year date. I am amazed how well the Model Y has still been selling with the rumoured new version for the last 6 months. Great offers certainly helped.
Dave not all the differences between the Tesla of last year and today’s Tesla are better. There are hundreds of changes that are downgrades. Things that are now optional extras that were standard in the past. Things that are just removed. Indicator stalks. Heated seats. Rear screens even the plug in charger and cables are now a £250 extra you have to pay for. Who doesn’t need the cable? All sorts have been cut in the name of efficiency and profitability. Sure they have cut the price too but they have cut too much desperately trying to keep up with Chinese competition. They are a lot better than the Germans who are doomed at this point.
You must have never purchased a German vehicle then. Look at the options list for them. BMW used to charge extra if you wanted a radio. A charging cable isn’t something that all Tesla owners need (home chargers and rapid chargers have their own cables). Trimming the base cost for something like this isn’t unreasonable, plus things like heated seats are still present (plus, unlike some ICE manufacturers, they aren’t a subscription option to enable).
One short correction. You mix up the Swedish and German unions. The Swedish is IF Metall, and the German would be IG Metall. The F or G stans for Union. Swedish F for "Fackförening", German G for "Gewerkschaft".
I think the carbon credits are a bigger deal, Elon makes more on those than the cars. Either way I don't see a future for EVs now. maybe in another 100 years when people might thing they are a new idea once again!
A note about those “worthless” ICE factories: they still exist on balance sheets as assets. Careful attempting to invest in any of these companies. The valuations are more or less lies.
Indeed, plus many of the manufactures "sales" of any kind of cars have just been forced onto dealerships, which is why you can buy any sort of pre-registered cars.
The Legacy Automotive are like naughty children.... Testing, testing and pushing their parents. Only to find out that the parents are NOT going to back down and give way. The more they pushed, the more they are going to be in pain sorting their own stubbornness out!! Good luck....!!
@@tigersilberhannes9153Really? Tes M Y best selling car in the world in 2023. Second in 2024 and only because a refresh on the way. Global EV sales up 25% in 2024. Strange stats for something that isn’t working.
@@tigersilberhannes9153how did you come up with that little gem? BEV sales are continuing to increase (up 25% globally last year), EV prices are continuing to fall as economies of scale kick in, and it’s now reaching the point where EVs sell for the same price as an equivalent ICE vehicle. That plus a lot of mid to low end models are coming to market this year so the trope that you can buy cheaper ICE vehicles won’t be true either. The only manufacturers who are suffering from falling EV sales are the legacy ICE manufacturers, who have (a) spent a lot of time and effort trying to convince buyers that EVs aren’t a workable solution and (b) have produced lacklustre and expensive EV models.
On the subject of cameras, Volvo has changed the cameras from one year to the next. I know because i tried to replace a door and a tailgate and the cameras were different. The old one had a different plug.
My brother has a Peugeot Ev curtesy car while his is being repaired, he said its costing him a fortune to charge every day because he has to use public chargers, he absolutely hates the thing, he says he wants his petrol car back asap
My wife said we will not be buying an EV..Why. at the ladies coffee get together. One lady said, would you take your grandchildren to school in a cars that catch fire... Difficult to explain that's not true. Ladies know best!
In other news, BT have changed their minds about installing 60,000 charging points after installing just one……it’s not all sunshine and rainbows for the EV adopters.
@@karlhulme8014 who were trying to get into a market they were not familiar with and had no experience of. Dropping plans is more to do with them looking at the projected capital costs and deciding to pass compared to putting that money in their traditional markets.
It’s not that they are not installing chargers, it is that they are not adapting their boxes to use as charge ports. They probably found out limitations and decided not to proceed. Likely it would cost more than they thought. It’s not like InstaVolt have decided to stop installing chargers. Completely different scenario.
And in other news BT has put in the largest order for BEV vans, some 3,500 of them. The pilot cabinet FTTC repurpose trial, notice the word trial, was cancelled due to most of their cabinets being in the wrong locations for the service (set back away from the road, on intersections etc.) and not having sufficient power (cabling) to the cabinets to perform EV charging. This was BT looking at usage options for their redundant/undercapacity FTTC cabinets, they are now considering using them for public wifi networks instead.
Model Y is too wide for UK roads and safety should be marked down for no buttons. Still thank Tesla for pushing all they others to make BEVs but don't want one.
Typical, Private Car Companies after propheteering, now want the Govt to help them out. While the greedy CEO's pocket £millions, now relying on the Tax payer to bail them out. Legacy Car Companies should have done what the Chinese have done. They also started with small city cars, before building larger models.
Dave, you're wrong. I used to have a PHEV, and I plugged it in every day. Cheaper than using petrol, and a tank of petrol (small tank) lasted 3 months.
@RuislipResident-v7p The tank of petrol lasted 3 months because I mainly used electricity. Comuted 17 miles each way to work and back. What is there to think about? Saved a fortune!
Whilst I don't agree with everything Dave says, I like to hear a different opinion. Just because I might listen to a conspiracy theorist does not mean I agree. I believe there is good info everywhere. you just have to sift through all available info to find it AND be prepared to alter your thinking if new data comes along.
You completely misrepresented the Swedish union conflict with Tesla. It has nothing to do with forcing people to join a union. Please do some research 😊
What it IS about is Tesla’s refusal to come to a collective bargaining agreement for staff who are Union members. They are entitled to join the union, just union membership doesn’t have the fangs that the union would like.
Dave off topic have you seen this....InstaVolt Winchester Superhub open March 2025 ⚡ UK's largest rapid-only EV hub! With 44 ultra-rapid 160kW chargers, the Winchester Superhub is powered entirely by renewable energy, including wind and solar. 💨☀ Features include: 🚐 4 XL bays tailored for vans and larger vehicles ♿ 3 blue badge bays for accessible, spacious charging 🚙 4 drive-through bays designed specifically for caravans and trailers
Not 100% powered by renewable. Its not possible. Its 100% offset with renewable investment just like residential tariffs from Octopus and Eon. I hate how gridserve mislead that info.
Its effectively 100% as its majority onsite solar plus an electric tariff that retires the renewable credits meaning they cannot be used to offset fossil based power generation. This creates a form of renewable fiscal drag that requires higher % purchase of renewable generation by all suppliers, driving up renewable generation investment and implementation. Octopus, Good Energy etc all use this approach, so in this sense they are green. Others E.on etc less so.
Don’t read the press just watch TH-camrs, who clearly always fact check their outputs… their moto bring don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story… I mean their own content 😊
Well they press don't even bother to check facts they just make stuff up, including the previously revered bastion of truth _The Times,_ which was recently caught outright lying about EV being in decline.
You are also missing a major factor. We are now on Euro 6 engines which are cleaner burning. New diesel cars have add blue injected into the exhaust which makes the emissions cleaner. The government set the acceptable emissions for the MOT Motor Observation Test in the uk and if the petrol or diesel car meets those emissions then it has past the criteria for a clean engine with low emissions so what's the problem.
They're cleaner but not clean, such engines don't meet the zero emissions requirements the UK has signed up to, plus even small levels of emissions add up and cause health issues in built up areas.
@GruffSillyGoat EVs aren't clean either for the first 20,000 to 30,000 miles to offset the greater carbon intensive production. Also these bloody stupid wind turbines they are ridiculously damaging to the environment and not clean renewable energy at all. A five-megawatt wind turbine can require 700 gallons of lubricant, and costly synthetic fluids are preferred in the industry. Typically, oil change intervals are scheduled for from 9 to 16 months.
@GruffSillyGoat Spot on. On top of that, all the older ICE cars (on the second hand market) will not be anywhere near the required current emission levels - let alone emissions-free as you indicated. I think this video was a good wake-up call to the preachers and non believers, who claim that ICE is better than EV.
Euro 6 is here since 2015. Euro 7 was cancelled because car manufacturers asked not to develop the ICE engines anymore because they wanted to save money for the EVs developement. Now, they don't want EVs, they didn't spend money for Euro 7 developement, for 10 years they just put all the profits in their pockets and now scream that they will close the factories and people will lose their jobs. My 2 yo grand child behaves better than them. Even my dog can understand that you can't have both.
I have had a Model 3 for 3.7 years, I love it. We will exchange my wife’s Lexus for a second EV in ~May (as she finds EV’s so much better) Model Y is definitely an alternative. But I have to say that if I find an equal alternative that is slightly more expensive, I will buy that instead. This is due to how Musk have behaved in the past two years. As a friend of mine said “If you behave stupidly, it should hurt”
Hi Dave and Jonas I'm a fellow oldie who can use apps and touch screens no problems having used DOS in the past windows and android is easy. The new model Y sounds amazing can't wait for your review, from a loyal JITON lol
Tesla as a company is fine. Musk no thanks, a while back I would have bought a tesla but the association with Musk is pause for thought. What does it say about me? Is it more likely to attract vandalism and I want to help a man that I fundamentally disagree with? Each to their own but I am afraid the Tesla brand is in the gutter to me.
Yep, crossed a PW3 off the list as a house battery/inverter because of Space Karen. I'll be car shopping in a few months and Tesla won't be on the list.
@@IMBlakeley The difference between tesla and any other EV, is not nearly as wide as the difference between ev and gas jalopy. ev so much more fun to drive, convenient, cheaper etc.
How do go about getting the money from the oil industry to be a schill and post negative comments about EV cars. Just wondering given all the comments below.
I think Dave needs to start producing these massively cleaner/smaller engine Ice cars, he talks of at the start of the video. If he's complaining that the Ice manufacturers didn't do it, then surely he could, if he thinks they can do it easily! He could start off with a 500cc engine, finely tune it to an inch of it's life to make it do 150 mpg and have a life span of 30,000 miles. He could aim downwards to a 125cc, get 250mpg and maybe a 10,000 miles life span! The technology has been around for some years to do this, but funnily enough, the manufacturers don't seem to want to do this. Hmmm, I wonder why??? But it's all good in Dave's world, ever so simple! Just forget the engine will die probably before it's 1st MOT, but as Dave says, 'That's irrelevant'! A thing that's always been on my mind, is the environmental impact of all these big batteries and the so called infrastructure to keep them charged. It's one huge mistake to have mass produced EV's, even battery Hybrids at this point in time, when we really should have been testing the idea of only home charging, where there is electric in nearly every home. No big nasties like Lithium batteries, but something that they are working on now or in the near future, environmentally much cleaner and safer technology to power EV's, to a scale, you detach you're much smaller EV battery, take it indoors, to charge overnight. Just about every home could do this! That's where I think EV's become a thing, not all this crazy infrastructure, that will be pulled out of the ground again in 20 years time! Someone soon will better the current terrible tech and make it all redundant! For this reason, I think the last/next 15 years of EV's will be one huge environmental disaster and a massive waste of money!
It's time to switch to flying cars. Nobody needs old carts. Nobody needs an autopilot that can't be made - there are no traffic lights, pedestrian crossings or oncoming traffic in the clouds. People want speed and safety. Everyone wants this: th-cam.com/video/RciMBgUEGuI/w-d-xo.html
@@davetakesiton The echelons of air flows - directed, counter and, accordingly, following perpendicularly, look like hundreds of meters, and not 5 meters, as on the roads. And they will be controlled not by traffic lights, but by network, space regulators. It will be 1000 times safer, and not tens of thousands, as happens in reality, but tens of people will die.
@@davetakesiton The echelons of air flows - directed, counter and, accordingly, following perpendicularly, look like hundreds of meters, and not 5 meters, as on the roads. And they will be controlled not by traffic lights, but by network, space regulators. It will be 1000 times safer, and not tens of thousands, as happens in reality, but tens of people will die.
@@davetakesiton The echelons of air flows - directed, counter and, accordingly, following perpendicularly, look like hundreds of meters, and not 5 meters, as on the roads. And they will be controlled not by traffic lights, but by network, space regulators. It will be 1000 times safer, and not tens of thousands, as happens in reality, but tens of people will die.
The echelons of air flows - directed, counter and, accordingly, following perpendicularly, look like hundreds of meters, and not 5 meters, as on the roads. And they will be controlled not by traffic lights, but by network, space regulators. It will be 1000 times safer, and not tens of thousands, as happens in reality, but tens of people will die.
" labor now is a relatively very small part of the cost of making a car ..." *So many people do not understand that this is true* We all need to pound away at the LIE that has been DELIBERATELY TOLD by management to be able to take advantage of their workers. Because they KNOW better.
@@SigFigNewton Actually, that isn't true. The problem with economics and productivity is that it ISN'T ALL MATH, there is a big portion of human behavior. (Like in the success of the "pet rock"). People worked VERY hard for Elon in support of the "mission"; now that it is apparent to perceptive people that the "mission" was ALWAYS a fraud and a lie he doesn't have that same dedication. Not everyone will agree with me, but ...
Typical Dave video. A bunch of random thoughts and rants delivered like a violent vomit after a night of drinking. All I got was misinformation, ICE, EV haters, mandates. These videos are very low effort and minimal research with a lot of mistakes. Calling out misinformation of so called legacy media (his words) by delivering your own misinformation. Before I get called out for being anti EVs, I am an EV driver. If I didn't like EVs I wouldn't be watching this but it is great entertainment. 🍿
But all the indications are that EV sales are increasing at breakneck speeds (up 25% last year for global sales, never mind places like Norway and China were they are over 50% of the new car market). Legacy manufacturers are struggling to sell EVs because of their own efforts to convince buyers they are a poor choice. That’s the whole point of Dave’s video.
EVs, of all types, made up 41% of new car sales last year and have been increasing rapidly in a few short years (was 13% in 2020). So with this trend it may be more a case of sustaining production of pure-ICE cars that is at risk. This is why the talks underway at the moment are clarifying which hybrid will be allowed to be sold between 2030 and 2035, which is looking like EREVs (series-PHEVs) are the likely outcome.
This man ranting about heavy cars has a Tesla Model S that is over two tonnes and hundreds of kilos heavier than comparable petrol or diesel saloons! He could have bought a small EV that does better than two miles per kWh, just like many people buy small ICE vehicles that are very frugal. But he didn’t and doesn’t want to. He only wants to tell you what to do and what to think.
Few complained when air polluters, I mean, ice vehicles ballooned to almost 3 tons. weight was not an issue then, even though the added weight did absolutely Nothing to make it's operation cleaner, cheaper, more responsive in acceleration and de-celeration, So what benefit was there?.
@@eyeh8theleft I have a Smart Fortwo that’s around 750kgs. I’ve had E-Class estates that were large enough for full-sized doors and were still much lighter than Dave’s Tesla saloon with less space, lower specs and inferior insulation. All cars are getting heavier, but the EV equivalents are typically 200-600kg heavier. Range Rovers may be heavy now, but the electric Range Rovers are much heavier. Mercedes CLS 400 (EV) is 2495kg, the Mercedes CLS 400 (ICE) is 1935kg, so 560kg lighter. A Citroen AX Electric is 1380kg, the C3 BHDi is 1165kg, over 200kgs lighter. Ford Focus Electric is 1644kg, the 2.0 TDCi 136 is 1378kg, so 266kgs lighter. Honda e is 1531kg, the Civic 1.6 i-DTEC is 1301kg, so 230kg lighter. The Vauxhall Corsa-e is 1530kg, the 1.7 CDTI Corsa is 1278kg, so 252kg lighter. The Jaguar I-Pace EV is 2208kg, the E-Pace D240 is 1926kg, so 282kg lighter. Do I need to go on? EVs are heavier than comparable ICE vehicles and this causes more tyre wear and wear on the roads, whether you accept it or not.
The mandates should be repealed. Let the market decide. Trying to force markets is bad policy. The nerds have purchased. The bulk of the market is very wary. It's too much faff for older ppl to deal with apps, defective public chargers. It'll improve but not there yet.
@@charlo90952What do you think China is doing for the UK? Hint: Manufacturing all the crap that the UK buys. We have offshored our industry and hence do contribute to emissions greatly via China. Good news though, China is doing very well transitioning to cleaner solutions both via vehicles and they've installed more green energy last year then the rest of the world combined and continue to do so.
EVs and hydrogen without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.The Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement since them. Diesel electric IS a hybrid !!! Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and fuel economy and most importantly, and it is lighter than the standard trans truck NRA. No range anxiety. Get it straight .. The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs or hydrogen but hybrids can and are doing it with no infrastructure change with BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVEN TECHNOLOGY
Not sure which planet you are on. Certainly here in the UK there is lots of infrastructure. Not as good as it needs to be - work still needs to be done for people with no off-street parking - but it is happening. I seem to be coping perfectly well so far with the infrastructure we have, and so, it seems, are thousands of others. Norway seems to be managing perfectly well. China, likewise. People in Europe seem to be driving around perfectly well. Not sure about the USA - they seem to be dragging their feet somewhat.
Oh dear! I drove a Toyota hybrid from 2005 - yesterday's technology (750k miles). The last five years I have driven an EV (over 75k miles), without range anxiety, mainly charging at home at a fraction of the cost of using fossil (on longer runs simply using the charging infrastructure that is now fine) and without increasing the change in climate (not a hoax). Nothing will stop some telling lies, but the Chinese are producing cars in quantities and qualities that counter the lies with products.
The first third of this video is by far the best piece of journalism about the car industry I have seen in a long time. It should be put out as a standalone story.
I used to have a PHEV and it was charged every night and used electric in the summer all the time 2 long runs a year so had to use petrol and also in winter both. Now moved to full EV as the infrastructure is a lot better then when I got my PHEV and you see plenty of videos of short range cars doing longer journeys on TH-cam.
I'm sure plenty of private owners used them as intended.
The issue was fleet and them bring brought as company cars and getting the best government despite them never seeing a plug.
Yes, why wouldn’t you charge a plug in hybrid every night, you save a lot of many.
Dave has it wrong l have to daughters that certainly plug in every night.
Sales of VW cars dropped by 10% true.
But VW BEV sales increased 8% in china.
@@Barry-l1x because it's a private car and you charge for cheap at home.
If you company forces a phev on you, they get the benefit of the most generous BIK green emissions tax breaks, and you just used it as a normal ice car
@@stuartburns8657yes take your point 👍
Love the content. I am looking forward to owning my first EV in april of this year.
There's no evidence that Dave reads these comments, but just in case... Of course I'm on board with the environmental need for EVs to displace ICEs, but I confess I'm struggling with the increasingly condescending delivery tone of these videos. It's a challenge to continue to listen. Most of your audience are likely converts too? Perhaps it's a British culture thing to come across so sour (no offence intended)? I'm in Oz.
I'd also like to reply to a couple of points you repeatedly upset me with. Yes I'm grateful to Tesla for advancing the EV plot in the early days, but using my power as a consumer, I can't personally endorse Elon by buying a Tesla now myself. He's done a lot of damage in Ukraine, social media, and US democracy (eg buying votes in the election - it's true!) These things mean more to me than a car. The other point is that I could very much use a little campervan here in Oz. A PHEV is the greenest option I can currently hope for given the state of regional charging infrastructure down here once you get off the motorways. Please stop telling me I wouldn't plug it in. I have no access to tax dodges for the purchase so have no other reason in choosing a PHEV than to make full use of it. A VW California PHEV would be ideal but OMG, VW Australia have not committed to importing anything other than a diesel! I can't sign up to belching those toxic oxides of nitrogen. And so I keep waiting. The Buzz-based electric California was delayed indefinitely due to excess weight and horrible motorway range. The PHEV is a perfectly valid aspiration for me. If it ever comes here VW will charge way too much, exacerbating the level of Luxury Tax payable on the purchase, but I'd still buy it if I could, for the greater good. Please Dave. I'm sure much of your audience have given this at least as much thought as I have. Maybe talk to us accordingly? Thanks if you read all this, and best of luck with the channel.
No to hybrids. Hybrids are a scam preferred by legacy auto. Why sell you one drive train when they can sell you two?
Great video Dave, thanks.
maybe we can have Dave chasing a red dot around the floor. so DaveTakesOn being a cat.
saying tesla sales drop of course they will if other car companies make cars so customers have more choice or range. to pick from.
The more reason why car companies fail is that they over charge for a sub standard car.
compare the old Taycan vs the new one. the old one has had the most recalls, has a terrible 1.9 mile to a kWh. and the value has dropped because the it was not worth it.
Love this guy's voice- sped up it reminds me of John Cleese.
The issue with ceding manufacturing to China is one of sovereignty - the West needs to retain the ability to manufacture goods or risk becoming vassal states.
The UK has been a vassal state for many years already... We make nothing of value on the global economy and once our financial services fall to the lunacy of this labour government we are in big trouble.
That ship sailed years ago lol
@@andym1548Well Brexit killed what was left, including financial services.
LOVE that you just referenced Star Trek, keep up the good work Dave 🙂👍
Dave, lets not counter misinformation from the media and it's legacy auto sponsors with similar distortions from us EV advocates. Last year in China there were 22.8m cars sold of which 11 million were NEVs (47.9%). NEVs includes PHEVs/EREVs (includes a petrol fed ICE) which made up approximately half of the NEV sales. So... 25% of cars sold in China were BEVs... Not quite what you suggested.
Dear Dave, it is dangerous to tell that NO PHEV owner would charge their PHEV daily....Better talk about MOST.
Because at least I did charge twice every day my PHEV which I drove from 2015 to begin 2019 (until at last there was sufficient infrastructure from Netherlands to east borde of Poland available...which in Poland was build until autumn 2018.
Still I needed some petrol daily ecause my PHEV ranged 45 km on a my 60 km to my workplace 75% was driven on electricity. At the charger at my work I recharged...also at night at home.
Also there is a very good reason for chinese automakers to buy obsolete VW factories.
First..Those factories have environnemental permissions to be there. (Polution standards and more)
Second. Those places are permitted to build cars...
Third.
Assembling those Chinese cars within EU borders means that they avoid the very high "anti dumping" taxes when importing them to the EU (even maybe to the UK (only taxes between EU and UK are taken) and even USA because no 100% taxrate on EU products.
As the evidence is apocryphal and projection at best, then Dave shouldn't reinforce them as he is reflecting the same type of negative bias that he calls out in others, weakening his argument. The only published data is on the accuracy of WLTP/EPA estimates for PHEVs, which was too optimistic and due to revised this year. Another influence factor is the size of battery, those with smaller batteries tend to be fossill-fueled mrore often than those with larger batteries; with a number of legacy automakers fitting PHEVs with small batteries (
Love your work Dave. I get an ev at weekend but home charger will take another 6 weeks to get installed. I could do with finding the cheapest public fast chargers around Leyland. I’m in farington
Granny's cable, 30% of EV owners in UK use only that.
Portable charger if you have a suitable socket, else try Aldi 11kW for about 25p or Tesla at Walton summit currently 48p for 250kW. So much easier and cheaper at home
That’s great thankyou
If you force cars along certain routes and make them drive further from a to b what will the result be in those areas. Higher emissions. If you close lanes and make those lanes cycle lanes, which are hardly ever used. What effect does that have, it creates more congestion, so more emissions. If you monitor levels i those areas, it will tell you levels have risen. Wind also then moves them into other areas, just like how the SE levels rose when Europe had wildfires or when Iceland volcano erupted. So the data is lets say manipulated to give the result they need to say more action is needed. In London the worst levels are found the close you get to tube stations and on the actual underground system they are much higher, but no issue there. The tube system is electric, but they only concerned with co2 levels. I'm not anti EV, I'm actually getting one as it suits me better. But all this, ZEV is a scam created to discourage car ownership and usage. It's not even hidden now, they're opening to say that's the goal and the reason for the plan.
Clearly you have little actual experience with data collection whereas others, my middle son for example, spent several years making the sensors, carefully locating them and collecting actual data from a whole city on behalf of a council. He would differ in his final scientific analysis from your biased inaccurate personally guessed conclusion
@@davetakesiton The data collection stations have been on many roads since cars pumped out lead, well at least in London they have. What effect has the cycle lanes placed on roads into Preston had on daily commuter traffic and the levels before and after. Or LTN zones that you must drive around to get to a hospital, for instance. When were the sensors installed, before or after.
From my mums house in Camden in central London, Now one has to travel at least 3 times the distance. Even to get to the local supermarket now, because you are forced to drive around an area. That's 3 times the pollution, is it not. Created by council policy.
Close lanes and restrict flow, creates more congestion, which in turn creates more pollution.
What about people who live in those areas, who are now subjected to higher levels than ever before. Because of these policies do they not matter.
No, you want to talk about your son and stick your head up in the clouds. In some right or wrong attack. Like the wind doesn't blow, like acid rain wasn't a thing.
IT seems you are clearly anti ice and just as bad as those who are anti EV IMO.
Clearly I triggered you.
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING YOU NEGLECTED TO MENTION OR THINK ABOUT.
Yet ice cars, they are the cleanest they have ever been. Should I pick apart your biased view and factually incorrect information, based on what you believe to be true?
That was not my intention.
Which btw I did not I just pointed out the reasons of cause and effect but no, that you're choosing to dismiss that altogether says volumes. On behalf of the corporate council your son works for, who's signed up to the UN mandate and agenda. But you'll never see that or understand that, either.
Great news Dave! It is all a chicken and egg situation, and legacy do not wish to upset the hen house. The way Tesla seem to approach is that you have to break eggs to make the ommelette! It just produces cars and may change things as we go along. Until the Model 3 Highland came out, the Model 3 had still been updating but did not reflect anywhere that it had. You had to know and certain things such as a heat pump were added and known by year date. I am amazed how well the Model Y has still been selling with the rumoured new version for the last 6 months. Great offers certainly helped.
Shock😮 manufacturers still trying to give customers what they want. The most CONVENIENT transport `still ICE vehicles`🤔
Ah! that explains why the best selling car in the world 2023 was an EV. Get it!
@@davetakesiton 2023 EV sales 13.8 million none electric 62.87 million got it!
Dave not all the differences between the Tesla of last year and today’s Tesla are better. There are hundreds of changes that are downgrades. Things that are now optional extras that were standard in the past. Things that are just removed. Indicator stalks. Heated seats. Rear screens even the plug in charger and cables are now a £250 extra you have to pay for. Who doesn’t need the cable? All sorts have been cut in the name of efficiency and profitability. Sure they have cut the price too but they have cut too much desperately trying to keep up with Chinese competition. They are a lot better than the Germans who are doomed at this point.
You must have never purchased a German vehicle then. Look at the options list for them. BMW used to charge extra if you wanted a radio.
A charging cable isn’t something that all Tesla owners need (home chargers and rapid chargers have their own cables). Trimming the base cost for something like this isn’t unreasonable, plus things like heated seats are still present (plus, unlike some ICE manufacturers, they aren’t a subscription option to enable).
One short correction. You mix up the Swedish and German unions. The Swedish is IF Metall, and the German would be IG Metall. The F or G stans for Union. Swedish F for "Fackförening", German G for "Gewerkschaft".
Cheers I wasn’t aware of that
Good morning
I plug my phev in every day sometimes twice a day otherwise there’s no point in having it
Fully agree you are one of the few
Another scatter gun rant, some useful info but most lost in the over excitable rant.
Well it looks like America is abandoning the Electric Car mandate. What is going to happen to Tesla?
I think the carbon credits are a bigger deal, Elon makes more on those than the cars. Either way I don't see a future for EVs now. maybe in another 100 years when people might thing they are a new idea once again!
No cant see past Musk.... I'm getting an EV but it won't be a Tesla
You’re not alone! I nearly bought a Tesla, but decided not to ‘fund a f@scist’. There are plenty of other great EVs out there.
A note about those “worthless” ICE factories: they still exist on balance sheets as assets. Careful attempting to invest in any of these companies. The valuations are more or less lies.
Indeed, plus many of the manufactures "sales" of any kind of cars have just been forced onto dealerships, which is why you can buy any sort of pre-registered cars.
Tesla doesn’t do the dealership business model, so their registrations are actual sales.
But it’s a risky bet for other reasons
Is car manufacturing now more about software development? Besides Renault, very few Western manufacturers have been good with software.
The Legacy Automotive are like naughty children.... Testing, testing and pushing their parents. Only to find out that the parents are NOT going to back down and give way. The more they pushed, the more they are going to be in pain sorting their own stubbornness out!! Good luck....!!
BEV are the legacy auto.
It was a hype, it did not work.
@@tigersilberhannes9153Really? Tes M Y best selling car in the world in 2023. Second in 2024 and only because a refresh on the way. Global EV sales up 25% in 2024. Strange stats for something that isn’t working.
@@tigersilberhannes9153how did you come up with that little gem? BEV sales are continuing to increase (up 25% globally last year), EV prices are continuing to fall as economies of scale kick in, and it’s now reaching the point where EVs sell for the same price as an equivalent ICE vehicle. That plus a lot of mid to low end models are coming to market this year so the trope that you can buy cheaper ICE vehicles won’t be true either.
The only manufacturers who are suffering from falling EV sales are the legacy ICE manufacturers, who have (a) spent a lot of time and effort trying to convince buyers that EVs aren’t a workable solution and (b) have produced lacklustre and expensive EV models.
Tiger with his head buried deeper in the sand than any ostrich…
On the subject of cameras, Volvo has changed the cameras from one year to the next. I know because i tried to replace a door and a tailgate and the cameras were different. The old one had a different plug.
My brother has a Peugeot Ev curtesy car while his is being repaired, he said its costing him a fortune to charge every day because he has to use public chargers, he absolutely hates the thing, he says he wants his petrol car back asap
My wife said we will not be buying an EV..Why. at the ladies coffee get together. One lady said, would you take your grandchildren to school in a cars that catch fire... Difficult to explain that's not true. Ladies know best!
Women’s logic! Happy to sit on a bomb, a tank full of highly flammable explosive fuel.
In other news, BT have changed their minds about installing 60,000 charging points after installing just one……it’s not all sunshine and rainbows for the EV adopters.
Is that not a case of a single company’s business model being wrong, rather than EVs as a market being broken?
@ possibly, but we’re talking about BT here, not some fly by night startup company .
@@karlhulme8014 who were trying to get into a market they were not familiar with and had no experience of. Dropping plans is more to do with them looking at the projected capital costs and deciding to pass compared to putting that money in their traditional markets.
It’s not that they are not installing chargers, it is that they are not adapting their boxes to use as charge ports. They probably found out limitations and decided not to proceed. Likely it would cost more than they thought. It’s not like InstaVolt have decided to stop installing chargers. Completely different scenario.
And in other news BT has put in the largest order for BEV vans, some 3,500 of them.
The pilot cabinet FTTC repurpose trial, notice the word trial, was cancelled due to most of their cabinets being in the wrong locations for the service (set back away from the road, on intersections etc.) and not having sufficient power (cabling) to the cabinets to perform EV charging. This was BT looking at usage options for their redundant/undercapacity FTTC cabinets, they are now considering using them for public wifi networks instead.
Model Y is too wide for UK roads and safety should be marked down for no buttons.
Still thank Tesla for pushing all they others to make BEVs but don't want one.
Why does it need buttons and which other equally wide ICE cars would you like to get rid of?
Typical, Private Car Companies after propheteering, now want the Govt to help them out. While the greedy CEO's pocket £millions, now relying on the Tax payer to bail them out. Legacy Car Companies should have done what the Chinese have done. They also started with small city cars, before building larger models.
Hybrids are the best thing ever. EVs are a SCAM
Dave, you're wrong. I used to have a PHEV, and I plugged it in every day. Cheaper than using petrol, and a tank of petrol (small tank) lasted 3 months.
Just think about that last sentence.
@RuislipResident-v7p The tank of petrol lasted 3 months because I mainly used electricity. Comuted 17 miles each way to work and back. What is there to think about? Saved a fortune!
@@johnharrison373Now think about your first sentence.
Whilst I don't agree with everything Dave says, I like to hear a different opinion. Just because I might listen to a conspiracy theorist does not mean I agree. I believe there is good info everywhere. you just have to sift through all available info to find it AND be prepared to alter your thinking if new data comes along.
Yup. I listen to petrol heads spreading lies about EVs fairly regularly.
There is nuance in everything. Listening to the extremes makes for better judgement.
You completely misrepresented the Swedish union conflict with Tesla.
It has nothing to do with forcing people to join a union.
Please do some research 😊
He does have a very loose grasp on everything outside of the topic of EVs. His ideas about power generation and supply are misinformed too.
What it IS about is Tesla’s refusal to come to a collective bargaining agreement for staff who are Union members. They are entitled to join the union, just union membership doesn’t have the fangs that the union would like.
Dave off topic have you seen this....InstaVolt Winchester Superhub open March 2025 ⚡
UK's largest rapid-only EV hub! With 44 ultra-rapid 160kW chargers, the Winchester Superhub is powered entirely by renewable energy, including wind and solar. 💨☀
Features include:
🚐 4 XL bays tailored for vans and larger vehicles
♿ 3 blue badge bays for accessible, spacious charging
🚙 4 drive-through bays designed specifically for caravans and trailers
Not 100% powered by renewable. Its not possible. Its 100% offset with renewable investment just like residential tariffs from Octopus and Eon. I hate how gridserve mislead that info.
Its effectively 100% as its majority onsite solar plus an electric tariff that retires the renewable credits meaning they cannot be used to offset fossil based power generation. This creates a form of renewable fiscal drag that requires higher % purchase of renewable generation by all suppliers, driving up renewable generation investment and implementation.
Octopus, Good Energy etc all use this approach, so in this sense they are green. Others E.on etc less so.
And twice the price of the Tesla Winchester chargers no doubt.
Keep battling on.
Put your money where your mouth is Dave - you have 2 cars in your household and one is an ICE. Oh and replace your gas boiler with a heat pump.
Wow, Feudal mysogyny. I had hoped that was long since dead and buried
All the EV owners I know are not giving up their normal cars. There's no 'transition' here, just a hobby.
Don’t read the press just watch TH-camrs, who clearly always fact check their outputs… their moto bring don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story… I mean their own content 😊
Well they press don't even bother to check facts they just make stuff up, including the previously revered bastion of truth _The Times,_ which was recently caught outright lying about EV being in decline.
You are also missing a major factor. We are now on Euro 6 engines which are cleaner burning. New diesel cars have add blue injected into the exhaust which makes the emissions cleaner. The government set the acceptable emissions for the MOT Motor Observation Test in the uk and if the petrol or diesel car meets those emissions then it has past the criteria for a clean engine with low emissions so what's the problem.
They're cleaner but not clean, such engines don't meet the zero emissions requirements the UK has signed up to, plus even small levels of emissions add up and cause health issues in built up areas.
@GruffSillyGoat EVs aren't clean either for the first 20,000 to 30,000 miles to offset the greater carbon intensive production. Also these bloody stupid wind turbines they are ridiculously damaging to the environment and not clean renewable energy at all.
A five-megawatt wind turbine can require 700 gallons of lubricant, and costly synthetic fluids are preferred in the industry. Typically, oil change intervals are scheduled for from 9 to 16 months.
Big oil thanks you for your support 😂. You keep funding the S@udis, I’ll pay a fraction you’re paying and keep my money to support British energy.
@GruffSillyGoat Spot on. On top of that, all the older ICE cars (on the second hand market) will not be anywhere near the required current emission levels - let alone emissions-free as you indicated.
I think this video was a good wake-up call to the preachers and non believers, who claim that ICE is better than EV.
Euro 6 is here since 2015. Euro 7 was cancelled because car manufacturers asked not to develop the ICE engines anymore because they wanted to save money for the EVs developement. Now, they don't want EVs, they didn't spend money for Euro 7 developement, for 10 years they just put all the profits in their pockets and now scream that they will close the factories and people will lose their jobs. My 2 yo grand child behaves better than them. Even my dog can understand that you can't have both.
I have had a Model 3 for 3.7 years, I love it.
We will exchange my wife’s Lexus for a second EV in ~May (as she finds EV’s so much better)
Model Y is definitely an alternative. But I have to say that if I find an equal alternative that is slightly more expensive, I will buy that instead. This is due to how Musk have behaved in the past two years. As a friend of mine said “If you behave stupidly, it should hurt”
Hi Dave and Jonas I'm a fellow oldie who can use apps and touch screens no problems having used DOS in the past windows and android is easy. The new model Y sounds amazing can't wait for your review, from a loyal JITON lol
Tesla as a company is fine. Musk no thanks, a while back I would have bought a tesla but the association with Musk is pause for thought. What does it say about me? Is it more likely to attract vandalism and I want to help a man that I fundamentally disagree with? Each to their own but I am afraid the Tesla brand is in the gutter to me.
Yep, crossed a PW3 off the list as a house battery/inverter because of Space Karen. I'll be car shopping in a few months and Tesla won't be on the list.
@@IMBlakeley The difference between tesla and any other EV, is not nearly as wide as the difference between ev and gas jalopy. ev so much more fun to drive, convenient, cheaper etc.
You’re not on your own. There are plenty of other good EVs out there.
Yes whatever the Tesla fanboys say about Musk and Tesla not being the same thing he’s definitely damaging the brand.
@@markbennett6658 Musk profits and I refuse to fund the f@scist.
How do go about getting the money from the oil industry to be a schill and post negative comments about EV cars. Just wondering given all the comments below.
I think Dave needs to start producing these massively cleaner/smaller engine Ice cars, he talks of at the start of the video.
If he's complaining that the Ice manufacturers didn't do it, then surely he could, if he thinks they can do it easily!
He could start off with a 500cc engine, finely tune it to an inch of it's life to make it do 150 mpg and have a life span of 30,000 miles.
He could aim downwards to a 125cc, get 250mpg and maybe a 10,000 miles life span!
The technology has been around for some years to do this, but funnily enough, the manufacturers don't seem to want to do this.
Hmmm, I wonder why??? But it's all good in Dave's world, ever so simple!
Just forget the engine will die probably before it's 1st MOT, but as Dave says, 'That's irrelevant'!
A thing that's always been on my mind, is the environmental impact of all these big batteries and the so called infrastructure to keep them charged.
It's one huge mistake to have mass produced EV's, even battery Hybrids at this point in time, when we really should have been testing the idea of only home charging, where there is electric in nearly every home.
No big nasties like Lithium batteries, but something that they are working on now or in the near future, environmentally much cleaner and safer technology to power EV's, to a scale, you detach you're much smaller EV battery, take it indoors, to charge overnight. Just about every home could do this!
That's where I think EV's become a thing, not all this crazy infrastructure, that will be pulled out of the ground again in 20 years time!
Someone soon will better the current terrible tech and make it all redundant!
For this reason, I think the last/next 15 years of EV's will be one huge environmental disaster and a massive waste of money!
Jackanory time most entertaining
Ev mandate is in the shitter 😅
No it’s just completed the first year and entered the second year. It’s legacy auto in trouble
EV mandates officially history today in the US, it's like waking up from a bad dream, many other countries are bound to follow. Let freedom ring! :)
It's time to switch to flying cars. Nobody needs old carts. Nobody needs an autopilot that can't be made - there are no traffic lights, pedestrian crossings or oncoming traffic in the clouds. People want speed and safety. Everyone wants this: th-cam.com/video/RciMBgUEGuI/w-d-xo.html
What happens when there are 30 million flying cars? Will we need traffic lights then?
@@davetakesiton The echelons of air flows - directed, counter and, accordingly, following perpendicularly, look like hundreds of meters, and not 5 meters, as on the roads. And they will be controlled not by traffic lights, but by network, space regulators. It will be 1000 times safer, and not tens of thousands, as happens in reality, but tens of people will die.
@@davetakesiton The echelons of air flows - directed, counter and, accordingly, following perpendicularly, look like hundreds of meters, and not 5 meters, as on the roads. And they will be controlled not by traffic lights, but by network, space regulators. It will be 1000 times safer, and not tens of thousands, as happens in reality, but tens of people will die.
@@davetakesiton The echelons of air flows - directed, counter and, accordingly, following perpendicularly, look like hundreds of meters, and not 5 meters, as on the roads. And they will be controlled not by traffic lights, but by network, space regulators. It will be 1000 times safer, and not tens of thousands, as happens in reality, but tens of people will die.
The echelons of air flows - directed, counter and, accordingly, following perpendicularly, look like hundreds of meters, and not 5 meters, as on the roads. And they will be controlled not by traffic lights, but by network, space regulators. It will be 1000 times safer, and not tens of thousands, as happens in reality, but tens of people will die.
" labor now is a relatively very small part of the cost of making a car ..."
*So many people do not understand that this is true*
We all need to pound away at the LIE that has been DELIBERATELY TOLD by management to be able to take advantage of their workers. Because they KNOW better.
Have to minimize money to workers in order to maximize money to shareholders.
@@SigFigNewton Actually, that isn't true.
The problem with economics and productivity is that it ISN'T ALL MATH, there is a big portion of human behavior. (Like in the success of the "pet rock").
People worked VERY hard for Elon in support of the "mission"; now that it is apparent to perceptive people that the "mission" was ALWAYS a fraud and a lie he doesn't have that same dedication.
Not everyone will agree with me, but ...
@@capnkirk5528 it’s true in the minds of almost every board of directors
Baloney, ain't ever gonna happen!
Typical Dave video. A bunch of random thoughts and rants delivered like a violent vomit after a night of drinking. All I got was misinformation, ICE, EV haters, mandates. These videos are very low effort and minimal research with a lot of mistakes. Calling out misinformation of so called legacy media (his words) by delivering your own misinformation.
Before I get called out for being anti EVs, I am an EV driver. If I didn't like EVs I wouldn't be watching this but it is great entertainment.
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People wont buy enough ev's to keep the manufacturers in business so the targets should be viewed as aspirational
But all the indications are that EV sales are increasing at breakneck speeds (up 25% last year for global sales, never mind places like Norway and China were they are over 50% of the new car market). Legacy manufacturers are struggling to sell EVs because of their own efforts to convince buyers they are a poor choice. That’s the whole point of Dave’s video.
EVs, of all types, made up 41% of new car sales last year and have been increasing rapidly in a few short years (was 13% in 2020). So with this trend it may be more a case of sustaining production of pure-ICE cars that is at risk.
This is why the talks underway at the moment are clarifying which hybrid will be allowed to be sold between 2030 and 2035, which is looking like EREVs (series-PHEVs) are the likely outcome.
This man ranting about heavy cars has a Tesla Model S that is over two tonnes and hundreds of kilos heavier than comparable petrol or diesel saloons!
He could have bought a small EV that does better than two miles per kWh, just like many people buy small ICE vehicles that are very frugal. But he didn’t and doesn’t want to. He only wants to tell you what to do and what to think.
@@ComeJesusChrist No
@@crm114.Well, you are the clean-up crew for Dave. Isn’t that true?
@@ComeJesusChristWrong again. Absolutely nothing to do with the channel. Just putting you right on your paranoia.
Few complained when air polluters, I mean, ice vehicles ballooned to almost 3 tons. weight was not an issue then, even though the added weight did absolutely Nothing to make it's operation cleaner, cheaper, more responsive in acceleration and de-celeration, So what benefit was there?.
@@eyeh8theleft I have a Smart Fortwo that’s around 750kgs. I’ve had E-Class estates that were large enough for full-sized doors and were still much lighter than Dave’s Tesla saloon with less space, lower specs and inferior insulation.
All cars are getting heavier, but the EV equivalents are typically 200-600kg heavier. Range Rovers may be heavy now, but the electric Range Rovers are much heavier.
Mercedes CLS 400 (EV) is 2495kg, the Mercedes CLS 400 (ICE) is 1935kg, so 560kg lighter.
A Citroen AX Electric is 1380kg, the C3 BHDi is 1165kg, over 200kgs lighter.
Ford Focus Electric is 1644kg, the 2.0 TDCi 136 is 1378kg, so 266kgs lighter.
Honda e is 1531kg, the Civic 1.6 i-DTEC is 1301kg, so 230kg lighter.
The Vauxhall Corsa-e is 1530kg, the 1.7 CDTI Corsa is 1278kg, so 252kg lighter.
The Jaguar I-Pace EV is 2208kg, the E-Pace D240 is 1926kg, so 282kg lighter.
Do I need to go on? EVs are heavier than comparable ICE vehicles and this causes more tyre wear and wear on the roads, whether you accept it or not.
The mandates should be repealed. Let the market decide. Trying to force markets is bad policy. The nerds have purchased. The bulk of the market is very wary. It's too much faff for older ppl to deal with apps, defective public chargers. It'll improve but not there yet.
And the market solution to climate change is?
When I cycle home from work how do I decide not to inhale pollution from vehicle exhaust emissions?
@@tonykelpie UK contribution to climate change is miniscule compared with China, India etc. Hardly worth crippling our industries.
@@davidriches2127 Euro 6 are pretty clean. Reduce vehicle miles in built up areas with ULEZ.
@@charlo90952What do you think China is doing for the UK? Hint: Manufacturing all the crap that the UK buys. We have offshored our industry and hence do contribute to emissions greatly via China.
Good news though, China is doing very well transitioning to cleaner solutions both via vehicles and they've installed more green energy last year then the rest of the world combined and continue to do so.
How much is musk paying you?
How much is Saudi paying you?
Not enough
EVs and hydrogen without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.The Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement since them. Diesel electric IS a hybrid !!! Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and fuel economy and most importantly, and it is lighter than the standard trans truck NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it straight .. The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs or hydrogen but hybrids can and are doing it with no infrastructure change with BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVEN TECHNOLOGY
Rubbish
You are well out of touch.
I drive an EV, totally reliant on the existing charging infrastructure. The infrastructure you claim is junk. A word that describes your post.
Not sure which planet you are on. Certainly here in the UK there is lots of infrastructure. Not as good as it needs to be - work still needs to be done for people with no off-street parking - but it is happening. I seem to be coping perfectly well so far with the infrastructure we have, and so, it seems, are thousands of others. Norway seems to be managing perfectly well. China, likewise. People in Europe seem to be driving around perfectly well. Not sure about the USA - they seem to be dragging their feet somewhat.
Oh dear! I drove a Toyota hybrid from 2005 - yesterday's technology (750k miles). The last five years I have driven an EV (over 75k miles), without range anxiety, mainly charging at home at a fraction of the cost of using fossil (on longer runs simply using the charging infrastructure that is now fine) and without increasing the change in climate (not a hoax). Nothing will stop some telling lies, but the Chinese are producing cars in quantities and qualities that counter the lies with products.
Totally agree with you.