Has Logitech BEAT Simucube and Fanatec
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Logitech drops the PRO wheel and Pedals. A directdrive and loadcell system that wants to bring heat to the likes of Fanatec, Moza and others.
00:00 intro and disclaimer: wheel sent by Logitech
00:08 background
01:04 prices and availability
01:15 wheel specs and info
02:10 first wheel got bricked
02:50 pedal specs and info
03:03 quick unboxing
03:34 wheelbase closer look
06:53 wheel closer look
08:43 pedal closer look
11:27 turning the wheel on and menus
13:20 G HUB
13:50 Testing ACC PC
16:45 Testing Assetto Corsa Touge PC
19:35 Testing Assetto Corsa Drifting PC
21:15 Testing GT7 PS4 on desk
25:58 Conclusions
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Nigel was a nice touch ;) Is it also "none more black" ?
Nice shoes, Dad
Any news if the shifter is compatible or a new one being made?
hopefully, mine wont brick :-)
Your review sold this item to me, thanks for the info🍺
If they make a more entry level model for consoles and pc I reckon they can easily take on the fannatec dd. Especially considering how well the g29 does in console spaces.
What do u mean more entry level? I paid the same amount for the dd pro with loadcell pedals, fanatec tricks u with there pricing, shipping is over $200 and duties another $150 at the end u pay the same as this wheel package.
For real. 5-6nm base, sub $500(get it at like $450) for base and rim. They'd kill.
Not so sure considering how big the fanatec ecosystem is
they should make a better G920 with better ffb and quick release and put it 250-350 dollars i would get it
Unfortunately this looks to be exactly that, an entry level DD. looking at the plastic construction limited rotation and lower quality buttons, power plug ect. Only thing they may do is sell a unit without truforce and a fixed wheel.
This is a very big step for Logitech, they stucked with the G27/29/923 wheel for ages. No really big steps until this. I hope this wheel does some good competition to Fanatec and other manufacturers. Good review.
the G29 only needs a few small-ish changes to be great again:
belt drive and stronger motors being the biggest one imo
They sucked? Yeah, that's bullshit. The G920 was best in it's class. Direct and definitve, gear-driven FFB. Whereas the T300 for example, feels rubbery and indirect, despite being more expensive.
@@alouisschafer7212 you're right, but that would rise the price.
@@LuizSPK yep and then what’s the point when the t300 is belt driven and been out for so long…and so easy to get and perfect for what it is
@thingshappeningtopeople190 g920 is hot garbage compared to the t300. It was nothing more that a tasted up old G27. Ratchets, constantly clipping, shaking and buzzing for inexplicable reasons (real wheels don't do that). It was a con by logitech from the beginning.
Thrustmaster should pack it in at this stage. They’ve been “marketing” a direct drive wheelbase for over a year with nothing coming out. Logitech just changed the game.
Logitech had this prepared last year, even
TM said they will announce it before end of year, I think it will be soon now since logitech released theirs
Well they just announced the thrustmaster dd will be fully announced in November. Also no one will buy this base, any other dd is better and I think the thrustmaster base will also be better.
eh. photos of this wheel have been leaked since last year. Nobody thought it would be dd. Not much far from thrustmaster. At least, they have finally confirmed that they are revealing it this november.
lol so because they don't release it when you want it they should pack it in?
It's interesting, but not in the "I want it" way of interesting, it's rather "tie your cat's rear legs together and glue a sticky note on its head to watch it trying to walk funny" interesting.
The prices are a bucket of ice cold water dropped on your head - not poured out, just dropped so it hits you bottom first.
Design is questionable, but subjective. The biggest flaw in this is definitely going to be software, as just saying "g hub" is enough to give some people ptsd and logitech are seriously doing themselves a disservice if they're going to rely on it long term without completely overhauling it.
Time will tell how it will work out when it hits the masses.
Hell right, G HUB is the bane of my existence as a Logitech G920 user prior to me getting a Moza R9. While SimPit is not the best thing in the world, it's miles ahead of G HUB in terms of stability. The bloody thing just works! I turn on the base - it gets detected, I go off to the races. With G HUB I had to relaunch the damned software all the time to make it recognize the wheel so that I could switch presets! Also, having the ability to use my smartphone to manipulate the wheel's settings without alt-tabbing is a great feature!
Thank you so much for reviewing the desk clamp! Nobody else that I had seen did before
almost 1500 euros for the whole set,it's freaking crazy!
I agree
Crazy good or crazy bad?
@@yourgrandmotherspimp1280 I'll answer it for you. I'd crazy bad, it's a plastic direct drive wheel base 😂
@@yourgrandmotherspimp1280 I'd say crazy bad tbh.
Even asetek's new releases are infinitely better value. 1400 euro for a full setup(12Nm), & everything is upgradable without buying a whole new setup.
@@batuyavas2675 tbf I love sim racing but not enough games come out too justify getting a wheel like that anyway. Especially on xbox, assetto corsa and dirt rally 2.0 are all I play, wrc is shit now. If I was gonna get direct drive I'd go fanatec though
It would be great if Logitech decide to sell this in Brazil/SA region where you can't really but any DD wheel from Fanatec/Moza etc, they could take an market that have no easy option. If they bring this to Brazil it would probably cost around 2k USD with taxes, but you can't really buy any other DD for less that 3/4k USD from a independent import, so would make this became an easy option for almost everyone who wants an DD wheel that is officially sold inside the country.
Same here in India. I bet there are several countries just like ours where there are no DD wheels or load cell pedals selling but where Logitech already have established themselves by selling the G29 and other peripherals. If Logitech brings their G Pro wheel and pedals to these markets they'll be the only choice and stand to make a lot of money.
Yup I'm quite sad that Fanatec, Moza, etc don't see the huge sim racing community that we have here in South Africa.
The fact that there is no eco system is a plus for me as I've spent my £1262 and now I cant spend anymore for a while lol
True that loll
This is the outlook I needed to see thank you
Just heard about the new wheel today, glad u made a video on this!
Very nice review! Saw a ton of videos and that made me order it (upgrading from a g29 on ps5; considering switching to PC in 2 years) but this video would have been the only one I’d needed to see. Good job! Can’t wait for the set to arrive :-)
For some reason the comments are not being totally shown. DAMN YOU, TH-cam
Oh no
yeah i've tried diff browsers, and most replies are not shown
Ghub bricked TH-cam
Trashtube
Yeah it's fucking ridiculous.
One thing I love about Ricardo's reviews on mods, equipment, gear etc etc is that he's always deadly honest... No sugarcoating, no fake hype just honest helpful market advice
I just saw a tweet of yours regarding this and was really intrigued about it. Just coming back into simracing after a hiatus and like always, glad to see some competition in this space.
I used the G29 for about 2 years on F1 2020 but I wanted to go Direct Drive. Here in Australia Fanatec is sold out everywhere, impossible to get and most of the others are too. So I went for the G9 Pro and it is fantastic. The more I get used to the fine adjustments it gets even better. The large plastic case I think is to make a channel for airflow all around to be sucked out the back with the 80mm exhaust fan. And the DD motor would be mounted directly to the bottom mounting plate. I also think the pedals are fantastic.
Yeah, your right plus Logitech wheels are known for lasting a long time so they went for quality over style and over-engineered it to last forever.
@@mrwhatever9025 yup... still have my gt force
@rodmorgan7041 i am new to all of this. i am in dillema how to start. woth g29 or something like this or Fantech. what is your experience
@@lovreperaic2757 i do sim flying/driving, start cheap see if you stick with it and how much you like it. if you only play a few times a month after testing it out keep with that wheel, but upgrade to mid if you play weekly and upgrade to this setup if you play daily in my opinion
That came out of nowhere! Good stuff, competition in the market is very important. Time will tell what it's made of, and if it's worth the asking price. Good review RC, to the point!
The weird thing is that on the website, it lists the F1 games as specifically not supporting the clutches. You'd think they'd be the games to support them, not be almost the only games not to
I wonder if they just mean "don't support them as analog linear clutches" because the F1 games (to my knowlegde) only have clutch usage in an on/off state at race starts.
@@TuxLetsPlay On the website, it simply says "Does not support dual clutches", so not much to go on. I've heard from a friend that the F1 games support the clutch paddle found on some Thrustmaster wheels, so it just comes off as confusing to me
Finally a wheel review from someone who can drive in multiple disciplines with confidence. Great review man
Great review video brother
Great video, thanks. I've got a G920 mounted to a desk at the moment along with the pedals with a Truebrake mod on them. I'm happy enough with the pedals but really thinking about getting the Logitech Pro wheel, so great to hear some tips on how it works on a desk.
Great, honest review. Thank you
I hope and look forward to them releasing a high end shifter🤞
Hope so.. the shifter they have right now is even more plastic than the g29. (do not buy)
TH8A from TM is so much better but maybe too pricy for what it is even..
What shifter is these and which one can I buy for the logitech g pro?
@@jrpadilla899 Looks like he's using Thrustmaster TH8A in the video. You can use any shifter that is connected via USB.
Thrustmaster some time ago: get ready ppl, we are making DD wheel !!! It will be ready someday ... Meanwhile Logitech - surprise!!!!
Logitech; "surprise mother...."
They just said this week they will be showing it off on 17 November...
I hope this will encourage more games to implement Trueforce. I own a G923 and while the gear driver ffb it's what it is, with Trueforce supported games it's on another level of feel
It just connects the sound through the motors, that's basically trying to emulate the feel of a good wheel. This is the equivalent of having "7.1 surround sound" on headphones, which is just emulation. Sure it works, but it's nothing compared to a real thing when you try it out
@@pedrosilvamusician totally true, but that's what I got and that's what I'll stick with. Never said it's better than pricier alternatives, it's just a very nice feature I hope will get a wider support in games (FH5 I'm talking to you 👀)
I'm interested to see if they have a new H shifter coming, and I like the idea of upgrading my g920 (pedals for now, hopefully shifter later) and then the wheelbase later
Why you need fancy swiffer, go do sticks shift driving ?
they sell a cheap USB box, use any pedals er what ever...
@@lucasRem-ku6eb I'm currently limited to what will hookup to the xbox, it's not so plug and play
@random callsign: Great review! Thank you!
they look good but I still like my thrustmaster and would like to upgrade to fanatec when i can
lots of factual info with a bit of humor to spice it up - the quick memes you add are much appreciated
Your desktop wallpaper is beautiful.
Also purchased this today and have to say, for such an expensive piece of equipment, you'd think they would be more careful with the firmware update.
My wheel appears to be stuck in said loop and probably bricked after running the Ghub firmware update.
PSA
Beware if you also purchase this wheel DO NOT UPDATE THE FIRMWARE until this issue is solved.
Another excellent review. You’re killing it at the moment dude!!!
I have it for 2 months now........love it
Finally Logi glowup! Also great review and it's timing :D
Stuck my pedals to the skirten boards with two blobs of blue tac they never move at all but can be pulled off if needed I don't even use or want a rig now my desk is very heavy and solid desk clamp is just so well thought out.
Great video my guy! Just one thing, please turn down the Noise Gate in your voiceover. 😅😅
That wheelbase is HUGE!
I hope they released different wheel rims for diferent racing styles... that one seems to work for everything but its better if you have a chance to use a proper formula or rally rim.
Anyway I think both pedalset and wheel are overprized...
we are talking about enthusiast price level gear here... it would be shot in a foot if logitech didn't plan to release whole ecosystem around Pro base
Exactly! Id prefer a fully rounded one as its more convenient for drifting and it looks better overall.
it was a QR for a reason
@@veryrare7647 Yes you are right.. I must say I hope ther released different rims SOON.. But anyways logitech ecosystem its so limited in rims.. Im sure it will come in the future but... When? I think they should have been released the wheel with at least 2 or 3 rims to choose from specially at that price point. Nowadays a lot of companies are offering that for less...
im on g29 but casual player- looking forward to see new wheel dlc for logitech. maybe in 1 year will buy this
would love a DD wheel but cant deal with blowing a grand. still rocking my T500rs 5nm
Nice GM background 🎉
What a surprise - when I clicked I expected an entry-level direct drive, but I get a decently priced Alpha Mini!
seeing the price, for me, Logitech is still one step behind. Since fanatec and simcube will release new stuff soon aswell and thrustmaster just came with a base for more entry. Also Moza is making big steps. Will be fun to see them compete with each other
This wheel make sense only for PS5 and Xbox users. On PC this is out of market
trueforce is really something that can make the difference
@@DonVincenzooGame no not really, i mean yeah its nice but its by no means does it make enough of a difference in wich wheel i buy, i honestly find thrustmasters entry level products like the t150 and t248 to be a better value and better product overall than logitech g29 and would choose the t248 over the logitech pro wheel any day its lacking for $1000 product especially when you can get a bundle from moza or fanatec for much more future complete packages for about the same amount of money or less, overall logitech has a lot to learn when it comes to DD, id much rather see a higher end belt drive wheel from logitech than a lacking DD wheel
@@sword_racer185 how is it "lacking"? When I compare this to fanatec price wise fanatec only just beats it and thats at a power disadvantage and lack of trueforce.
@Lorien I'd recc9mend watching LTTs video on it, I'm sick and not in the right mind to explain it, it essentially comes down to its a good wheel but there are similar options for less money that come with better pedals as well.
Tldr, its good but priced too high
Everything seems good but you using driving gloves at 01:56 is hilarious 😂😂
Okay so you're liking the true force on the pro wheel, but you have yet to explain how exactly trueforce makes curbs feel even better, alongside those minor details. What about trueforce on this wheel makes it better than the g923, what differences can you feel in comparison? Other wheels have rumble motors as you mentioned, but nothing is compared with regards to the actual feel between the two, only adjectives describing it. If I sound critical, apologies, but if I'm watching this looking to make my purchase for a DD adjectives don't help
In this video you're using a gear shifter with the Logitech Pro. What shifter are you using?
@random callsign
I have a question that might help many others in my situation.
My current setup is the Fanatec CSL DD with McLaren W. and V3 Fanatec P. - I am looking to get something better and I was looking at the Fanatec DD2 base or completely switching to SC 2 Pro. but then this came out. Can you please give me your honest opinion on which you think is better?
Thanks
Hey man, great review. I noticed something weird with your audio, I don't know if the noise suppression from your mic is too strong, but it cuts your voice out at some points, like at 26:09. (edit: fixed timestamp)
I realise this is an older review but @randomcallsign I have a question re: the Logitech wheelbase and wheel (not the pedals, I agree there's better for the money).
If you had a choice between the Simagic Alpha Mini base and GT Neo wheel OR the Logitech G Pro base and wheel combo... which gives the better FFB and experience overall? (not factoring other ecosystem considerations at all, just based on quality of FFB and experience with the driving)
The only reason to buy this over the Simagic Alpha mini is console compatibility. If you are a pc only user I would definitely go the Simagic route. Main stream reviewer's don't seem to get sent Simagic products to review hence they seem not to compare them.
Little suggestion about the microphone audio: I'm not sure if you've tampered with it, but the voice seems to stop too abruptly going from a word to another, like you've got some strong noise reduction that's not just removing the noise floor but even parts of the words.
This is so sick
How would you compare this to the Fanatec DD Pro?
Hello, which is the best set up for Assetto Corza? Do you use G923 compatibility or G-Pro?
It is a very exciting time right now for simracers, I am honestly spoilt for choice, I have a £1500 total budget (for base, wheel and pedals) and have various choices available. I am still leaning towards the Moza R9 plus the fsr wheel myself, but these options are awesome.
What did you go for in the end? I'm in the same boat
Thanks for the review RC. More choice is a good thing, the price ... perhaps less so.
Can you share your pc in-game and g hub settings for ACC and AC? Thanks for the video.
Can you use a different pedal set ? usb or adapter ? thanks :)
I find it so funny that once you get to DD wheels the market almost flips with Fanatec offering the cheapest option and Logitech offering one of the most expensive.
I hope they make a cheaper 5 NM model in the future, it would probably sell extremely well too
cheaper ?
You will see them cheaper soon, the MOMO force on release, or the $100 later models. give them 5 years !
That bmw m8 bit had me chuckle 😂
what's the HUD app you were using with Assetto Corsa ?
My g923 needs an update, this is going to be next one once they hit the second-hand market.
Imagine this base with the Thrustmaster SF1000 wheel… glorious !
This wheel aon my radar but i wnded up with a full Moza rig i don't refret it with i got a hgp shifter as well and it's absolutely amazing and the shifter is the best H pattern ive ever used
UK pricing for this is £850. Which lines up nicely with the CSL DD Pro and mclaren wheel from fanatec, before shipping.. not sure why the €/$ price is so high but hey, makes a change for once we don't have to pay more than everyone else as usually the £ price is same as the $ price
Sounds relatively reasonable, but honestly if those pedals are that expensive then they're actually not that good in fact they'll be boardline trash. As Logitech themselves are expecting people to mod mostly likely from a 3rd party. But if they can compete with Fanatec new pedals then they will actually seem to okay.
Price affects perceptions
UK prices are usually quoted inclusive of tax, which is why they end up around the same numerical value as the pre-tax dollar price. That £850 is before taxes, however, so you'd actually be paying £1,020.
@@AJCham ah yes you're correct, it isn't including taxes for some reason...
Actually lol’d when you compared it to the beamer 😂
Is Trueforce comparible to the Transducer effect on the Thrustmaster T-GT in Gran Turismo 7? I really like that effect on my T-GT.
I want to see them come out with a pro level shifter to go with this one, to me that's a big weakness to not also have that.....Once they have that they can hurry up and take my money!
I'm in the same boat, although I just pulled the trigger. I think it's 100% going to happen. Their current shifter sucks and isn't even compatible without the adapter.
This is a better review than Will's (no offense Will) review, especially the pedal part.
You guys were both struggling under braking, Will more so. Yet he was really mellow providing his opinion, while you held nothing back. Which is what the potential consumer watching these reviews needs. Will was very visibly struggling, i was actually surprised he didn't bash them.
He should've.
Can I buy only the wheel and use fanatec pedals? Should be okay on PC, and what about the usb ports on the back of this wheel can I plug the pedals there probably not?
Love the wheel ! Way too high of a price tag🤘🏼🏁
What is that dashboard you're using in AC?
What kind of shifter is in background,thrusmaster ?
Just wish they made a pro shifter and hand e brake
So what exactly you don’t like about the pedals
for pedals : you can change spring color : blue yellow red to desire . you can add on brake different foam for different result . probably you don't try to change it to what you like to feel .
would you recommend Logitech Pro pedals over the Fanatec Clubsport V3?
I own a GT DD Pro and I would like to know if all DD steering wheels can feel the magnets when turning slowly, with Logitech it seems to be very smooth. With DD Pro, when you pull against the force of FFB, you can feel the graininess, is it the same with logitech?
You need to max out NFR and increase NDR and NIN. Then lower FEI between 90 and 40 range.
Great video. Some constructive feedback for you , Your noise gate on your vocal audio is too sensitive. It’s cutting off your “S” sounds and “D” sounds
For $1000 USD for just the wheelbase, why wouldn't I just buy a Moza R9 with one of their nicer steering wheels? The only thing I see as the advantage of the Logi Pro is console compatibility, which thankfully does not matter to me in the slightest.
The omission of a d-pad seems like it would be a 🫓 to navigate menus, no?
is the micro usb port going to stop working in a year or two like it always does on my phones?
Insanely expensive, you can have Fanatec DD1 with this heavy price Tag
With a bad QR
This is pretty cool, though I kinda gave up on Logi (still love them for my G915 and G903) and went with the GT DD Premium from Fanatec. Which, just got shipped today! So, very excited.
By the way, and please don't take this in an aggressive way, as it's not intended at all like that - but, your noise gate sir is very aggressive on your mic ;)
Hi I’m thinking about to buy the gt dd aswel but is it better I want your opinion on it
@@AIIM99 I had an issue with my rig actually and need to swap it out. BUT I did get a chance before my rig was discovered to be faulty to connect and try the GT DD Pro with GT wheel and CSL pedals (with load cell) and I gotta tell you I’m quite happy with it!
I guess I might be a little stronger Thani give myself credit for because I was able to handle the force feedback easily, though it’s definitely no slouch at 8nm peak torque and it definitely made my arms tired after hours of racing.
It’s a GREAT setup. Maybe one day I will upgrade to DD1 or DD2. But for now, this is a great system and it’s really easy to set up.
They also have a lot of wheel options (I bought an extra McLaren GT3 wheel that recently arrived).
Overall I’d definitely recommend it.
Soooo, what about the H-shifter??
what is the name of both of the assetto corsa tracks?
Can i use the Pro Wheel with a tlcm pedals?
Or use a moza r5-59 with tlcm pedals?
I Use a PC
What are you driving in the Touge part of the review?
Mine produces all kinds of loud weird noises when I turn true force audio on (even at 10%) is that normal?
For that price, they are selling you plastic pedals when you could easily buy the CSL Pedals with LC or the V3.
The simagic mini is a beast! There are tests made with it that have measured 13 nm peak (it’s on an iracing forum) so the 10 claimed is likely the continuous torque. It is price the same as this Logitech and it’s very tiny compared to this one. The quick release on simagic is amazing and the fact that you can run other usb wheels it’s just Amazing and I am not forced to an ecosystem. We can now argue that being quick release you can use Logitech with an usb wheel as well but just overall stick to simagic. Though one bad thing to note about it is the notch feel when it’s centered but I’m certainly that it’s all fixed with software updates.
trueforce is unique to logitech
@@DonVincenzooGame I think compatibility with both console and PCs are a massive plus. Many of the competitors are PC only.
@@supercededman i am pc only . when it come to sim racing a little pc is the best way to go for me .
hope they redo the shifter for the pro line too normal g29/920/923 shifter is kinda flimsy
Wow this was unexpected
So glad there's choice by competition. For someone like myself who has consoles, I will stick to my Fanatec DD Pro. I like both the Forza series on Xbox, as well as Gran Turismo on PS. What other company lets you play on both consoles with the same drive hub?
Logitech? Just add an xbox wheel to the PlayStation wheelbase and it works across all 3 ecosystems just like Fanatec.
I bought the pro and pedals and frankly very very impressed. I’m super happy been about a year now I would do it again in a split second.
Price point is insane, as are the mounts why on earth not just make it like every other DD in terms of bottom mount
Ecosystem my dude. They are trying to go the Apple route and make everything proprietary. I guarantee that once they build out the product line more (different wheels, pedal levels, shifters, handbrakes, etc...) they will drop the price and try to push fanatec and moza out the market.
@@stayoffthemarbles6790 if they wanted to push either of those out of the market they needed to launch at a lower price and create a captive audience. 2 massive mistakes here are that you cannot swap platform from ps to xbox or vice versa without buying the WHOLE BASE AND WHEEL all over again.. not allowing interoptability is a big no when you have a QR system like that. Should have done it the fanatec way and done PS in the base, and XBox in the wheel.. so stupid.
They're not even close to competitive with anyone else with this right now, it's plastic and big and ugly and overpriced. Simple as that.
At first i thought it was a joke. But now thrustmaster is REALLY in trouble.
Do you think "Fanatec ClubSport Pedals V3 Brake Performance Kit" would be compatible with the brake here? Elastomers seems to be very similar.
No idea.
I freaking love mine.
Can u make a video connecting the racing adapter using the logitech shifter and the new wheel of logitech g pro