Glad that you’re getting some win-win-win from the airport shuttle service. 👍🏻 WIN with the service, WIN with grid reward and WIN if you can do a test. Thank you for providing good second hand test on cars.
these tests are super useful. Keep them coming please. It would be nice to see some LFP batteries too to see if the promisse of less degradation is real.
If you’re interested in a similar C40 but the MY2024 that’s 9 months old but with over 50k on the odometer…we’re happy to oblige to lent you our Twin Ultimate 😊. We’re in Scandinavia quite often
This is great timing i just bought a 2021 XC40 P8 with 15k miles on it last week and I was wondering what degradation I could expect my Volvo garage couldn't run the tests as they don't have the software apparently, many thanks for sharing
Also bought a used XC40 but mine has 40k miles. Its the one part of industry i think they should regulate for used market - buyers should have that information in the same way we know the odometer.
I drive a C40 MY24. I chose this one before other similar options because of preferences towards classic car interiors. I’m not seeing that high battery consumption as you do, but I usually only drive around Stockholm, to and from work. In one week I’ll be on a vacation trip driving many km. We’ll go to Åre and then to Trondheim, turn south through the mountains before going back east using E18 to Stockholm again. I’m very interested in seeing what our energy consumption will be. I’ll record the numbers and I could share them here if anyone’s interested.
My calculations shows that my Cupra Born has lost about 7-8% since start. But the degradation was about 7-8% already after 6 months and has stayed there since then. I have until today driven about 25000km
Thanks alot for this test. Hope my new C40 with the smaller battery with 69 kwh has got the same good quality ;) Or is there any reason to expect fundamental different results? Best wishes from hot germany today ;)
@@DigiDriftZone My previous car was actually a Audi S4 and it was a real lemon. DSG problems galore, electrical issues costing me a fortune and water leaks from the sun roof. I will never go back to petrol/diesel. The range is a non-issue. I went 1435km in ONE day a few weeks ago. The self driving is a dream during long trips, zero maintenance, very low running cost, silent, pre-heat or cool via app before I go into it. And I smoke most cars at the red light. 🙂
@@dpie4859 My Uber driver the other day told me how he got stranded over night in the middle of no where because of a broken charger, his car then refused to fast charge at a supercharger randomly and took 4 hours to get enough charge to drive the 30 miles back home. He is going back to petrol. Yeh, the S4 is a bad choice, don't get an S4, get an M3 or an M5 or something.
40-50k is a new car. Degradation on 150k+ imho is something that starts to be interesting, since those cars still seem to be quite expensive around here.
Living in the mountains, I don’t think the regen is taken into account from my observations. The consumption does not go down when I drive down long downhills.
Intressant med hur mycket som försvinner av batteriet, kanske vi ska testa våra bilar med🤔 en tesla model s 100d 2018 85000km och en peugeot e208 105000km😊👍, vad tror du har försvunnit i % på dessa?👀
Be interested to see the 2020 konas or niros degradation profile. Ive clocked mine at 1-2% at 3.5 years and 44000 miles And I agree it is very useful, it's why I'll be avoiding second hand VW EVs
That is with a 36kWh battery btw. So it should get to 300k at least... Different NMC chemistry than MEB platform though. It seems that MEB doesn't have full capacity at start, that's why initial degradation looks a lot, but I havent seen any test yet on a +100k km MEB car. I've seen MEB cars for sale with > 150k km + with OK range. You are safe for 8 years/160k anyway & MEB has module approach which is a + . Also MEB keeps their buffer constant as i understand. Could be that some manufacturers lower their buffers to hide initial degradation..
Applied this same calculation to my 2024 Skoda Enyaq 80 Sportline with 10000KM on the clock and it would seam I only have 67.3kwh....... 12.6% Degredation in 4.5 months and 10000KM 😬😬😬
I do not get the idea of these tests. They make sense to me for a particular car. But here I get the impression your message is the degradation for model XY is that and then you can apply this to all other cars of this model, which does not work that way from my point of view. Because the degradation highly depends on the battery usage. How many cycles, DC/AC, how often to 100%, how long it was parked with 100%, was it driven even to 0% and so on.
What is "Zero Buffer" on C40? Is it 2,9 kWh (Polestar 2) or 1,9 kWh (EX30). Should be counted into the results? That way would be the degradation ever smaller.
@@bjornnyland I see, but does the producer of the car counting "zero buffer" into net capacity or not? Maybe that is why ID.3 has in your calculation 11% degradation, but in fact is much less. Example: My ID.4 2021/70kkm via Carscanner shows: HV Battery Energy Content 62800 Wh at 87,6% displayed state of charge HV Battery Energy Content calculated at 100% is 71690 Wh Battery Maximum Energy Content is 74450 Wh Difference between 74450 and 71690 is user accesible zero buffer below 0% - 2760 Wh (very close value to your zero mile tests). Without zero buffer has my ID.4 degradation of 6.9%. If you would take "zero buffer" in count is has 3,4%.
From what I know, Ioniq "Classic" has 30.5 kWh gross and 28 kWh net capacity. It's like that in your list. So degradation should be 8.5 %. Why do you assume it has only 26 kWh new?
@@bjornnyland ah i understand if u also only use the gom wh/km. Thanks! I always wonder how legitimate that wh/km reading is tho. A few week ago i got 78wh/km on the mountain drive to Geiranger from Ålesund via Eidsdal in my Cupra Born. Didnt believe it.
My Tesla model 3sr+ 2020 with 60k shows 13%. Got sexy buttons in last month it lost 1kwh and I charge at home all the time. Can I do something to retrieve the battery 🔋
Another great video thank you! Any chance of an iX3 or i4 degradation test to see how well it stacks up to the excellent i3. I do have an iX3 I'm planning to keep for years (I'm VERY happy with it) so would be good to know. Cheers from London 👍
@@bjornnyland ber om ursäkt för att jag missade km/h åtgärdat😊, im curious if you count the difference between speedometer in car whit gps speed you drive in 93 km/h?
Great to have the same car tested that we own! Exactly the same age also! And same mileage?? Hey, what, wait…. Same licence plate?!?!?!😅😅😅
Glad that you’re getting some win-win-win from the airport shuttle service. 👍🏻
WIN with the service, WIN with grid reward and WIN if you can do a test. Thank you for providing good second hand test on cars.
Biggest win is that the cars I can borrow are delivered right to my house 👍
these tests are super useful. Keep them coming please. It would be nice to see some LFP batteries too to see if the promisse of less degradation is real.
If you’re interested in a similar C40 but the MY2024 that’s 9 months old but with over 50k on the odometer…we’re happy to oblige to lent you our Twin Ultimate 😊. We’re in Scandinavia quite often
MER av disse testene, Bjørn! Kult om Norges mest solgte bil i 2020 ble testet med 80.000 + km testes. Interessant 👍🏻
I just need to come and give you my 2019 I-Pace for a test :)
Hi Bjorn, I love your videos, but could you please make a degradation test of Model 3 LFP?
Very interesting these tests, thanks Björn
Many thanks, great information for people who are interested in used BEV.
Hope to watch more of this at your channel 👍🏻
This is great timing i just bought a 2021 XC40 P8 with 15k miles on it last week and I was wondering what degradation I could expect my Volvo garage couldn't run the tests as they don't have the software apparently, many thanks for sharing
Also bought a used XC40 but mine has 40k miles. Its the one part of industry i think they should regulate for used market - buyers should have that information in the same way we know the odometer.
I drive a C40 MY24. I chose this one before other similar options because of preferences towards classic car interiors. I’m not seeing that high battery consumption as you do, but I usually only drive around Stockholm, to and from work.
In one week I’ll be on a vacation trip driving many km. We’ll go to Åre and then to Trondheim, turn south through the mountains before going back east using E18 to Stockholm again. I’m very interested in seeing what our energy consumption will be. I’ll record the numbers and I could share them here if anyone’s interested.
yes normal interior with atleast some buttons. And the buttons on the steeringwheel are real buttons, no touch crap.
2% Degradation at 150.000km in Kia eSoul 64kwh from 2020. I was realy surprised - probably high hidden buffer? 60% DC - last months 80% DC
My calculations shows that my Cupra Born has lost about 7-8% since start. But the degradation was about 7-8% already after 6 months and has stayed there since then. I have until today driven about 25000km
Thanks alot for this test. Hope my new C40 with the smaller battery with 69 kwh has got the same good quality ;) Or is there any reason to expect fundamental different results? Best wishes from hot germany today ;)
My Tesla Model 3 LR LG pack from 2020 has lost 5.3% after about 50.000km and 75% super charging.
Good score!!
My 2004 Audi A4 lost 1% range after about 350,000km / 20 years and 100% super fast 3 minute fuelling up with diesel, still has 1,500 km range :)
@@DigiDriftZone My previous car was actually a Audi S4 and it was a real lemon. DSG problems galore, electrical issues costing me a fortune and water leaks from the sun roof. I will never go back to petrol/diesel. The range is a non-issue. I went 1435km in ONE day a few weeks ago. The self driving is a dream during long trips, zero maintenance, very low running cost, silent, pre-heat or cool via app before I go into it. And I smoke most cars at the red light. 🙂
@@dpie4859 My Uber driver the other day told me how he got stranded over night in the middle of no where because of a broken charger, his car then refused to fast charge at a supercharger randomly and took 4 hours to get enough charge to drive the 30 miles back home. He is going back to petrol. Yeh, the S4 is a bad choice, don't get an S4, get an M3 or an M5 or something.
@@DigiDriftZone Yawn
40-50k is a new car. Degradation on 150k+ imho is something that starts to be interesting, since those cars still seem to be quite expensive around here.
Living in the mountains, I don’t think the regen is taken into account from my observations. The consumption does not go down when I drive down long downhills.
Intressant med hur mycket som försvinner av batteriet, kanske vi ska testa våra bilar med🤔 en tesla model s 100d 2018 85000km och en peugeot e208 105000km😊👍, vad tror du har försvunnit i % på dessa?👀
Be interested to see the 2020 konas or niros degradation profile.
Ive clocked mine at 1-2% at 3.5 years and 44000 miles
And I agree it is very useful, it's why I'll be avoiding second hand VW EVs
E-golf had 11% degradation after 193k km. th-cam.com/video/oFH23kA_D0k/w-d-xo.html
That is with a 36kWh battery btw. So it should get to 300k at least... Different NMC chemistry than MEB platform though. It seems that MEB doesn't have full capacity at start, that's why initial degradation looks a lot, but I havent seen any test yet on a +100k km MEB car. I've seen MEB cars for sale with > 150k km + with OK range. You are safe for 8 years/160k anyway & MEB has module approach which is a + . Also MEB keeps their buffer constant as i understand. Could be that some manufacturers lower their buffers to hide initial degradation..
Interesting about the significant power limit at ~7% SoC.
My 2024 XC40 only has this much limit at maybe 4% or even less
They switched to a different pack on some of the 2024 models
It depends on battery temperature.
I wish you do Mercedes EQS/EQE degradation test - want to buy one!
I would like to see a Hyundai Kona 64 kwh degradation test.
Could you test classic M3 2019 SR+ and M3 LFP ?
Good job :-) I can't find tests of the EX30 Standard Range, could you please test it?
Can you test LFP Model 3/Y?
havent watched the entire video yet, but the pixels doesnt do the adaptive thing when u are on a motorway. For a good reason.
9:00 No model 3 LFP -21 IN TEST!! WHY?? There is difference in NMC 75KWh and LFP55KWh
2:00 Does ABRP correct for the SoC scale being non-linear?
Can other tires affect the SoH of the battery?
Applied this same calculation to my 2024 Skoda Enyaq 80 Sportline with 10000KM on the clock and it would seam I only have 67.3kwh.......
12.6% Degredation in 4.5 months and 10000KM 😬😬😬
Try to do one more test.
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How can I check how many charge cycles my car has done?
I do not get the idea of these tests. They make sense to me for a particular car. But here I get the impression your message is the degradation for model XY is that and then you can apply this to all other cars of this model, which does not work that way from my point of view. Because the degradation highly depends on the battery usage. How many cycles, DC/AC, how often to 100%, how long it was parked with 100%, was it driven even to 0% and so on.
What is "Zero Buffer" on C40? Is it 2,9 kWh (Polestar 2) or 1,9 kWh (EX30). Should be counted into the results? That way would be the degradation ever smaller.
I never count zero buffer in the result since normal people don't go below 0 % 0 km.
@@bjornnyland I see, but does the producer of the car counting "zero buffer" into net capacity or not? Maybe that is why ID.3 has in your calculation 11% degradation, but in fact is much less.
Example: My ID.4 2021/70kkm via Carscanner shows:
HV Battery Energy Content 62800 Wh at 87,6% displayed state of charge
HV Battery Energy Content calculated at 100% is 71690 Wh
Battery Maximum Energy Content is 74450 Wh
Difference between 74450 and 71690 is user accesible zero buffer below 0% - 2760 Wh (very close value to your zero mile tests).
Without zero buffer has my ID.4 degradation of 6.9%. If you would take "zero buffer" in count is has 3,4%.
My xc40 22 mod . Have no pixle light . Reg Ed93xxx
...and no battery recalls!
Just wondering what happens if you accidentally damage some car from these people that allow you to drive it? How is it handled then?
Insurance
From what I know, Ioniq "Classic" has 30.5 kWh gross and 28 kWh net capacity. It's like that in your list. So degradation should be 8.5 %. Why do you assume it has only 26 kWh new?
Nobody has ever measured more then 26kwh, i believe. Most are between 23 and 25 kwh currently.
No one got 77 kWh from the 82 kWh MEB batteries either. It's nominal capacity vs real world.
Do video about marcusbil😢
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@@sascharollmarcusbil went bankrupt
Did u forget to include the underreporting? Seems like u used the gomdata eventho u said it was underreporting 2%?
Underreporting is irrelevant in this test.
@@bjornnyland ah i understand if u also only use the gom wh/km. Thanks!
I always wonder how legitimate that wh/km reading is tho. A few week ago i got 78wh/km on the mountain drive to Geiranger from Ålesund via Eidsdal in my Cupra Born. Didnt believe it.
My Tesla model 3sr+ 2020 with 60k shows 13%. Got sexy buttons in last month it lost 1kwh and I charge at home all the time. Can I do something to retrieve the battery 🔋
How and where does it "show"?
@@ichigo19870 OG enhanced screen. Switch on stats for nerds . You can see quite a lot of stats in there
Another great video thank you! Any chance of an iX3 or i4 degradation test to see how well it stacks up to the excellent i3. I do have an iX3 I'm planning to keep for years (I'm VERY happy with it) so would be good to know. Cheers from London 👍
93km/h? Är det 90km/h +2% till i räkneskapen kanske 🤔
km = distance
km/h = speed
@@bjornnyland ber om ursäkt för att jag missade km/h åtgärdat😊, im curious if you count the difference between speedometer in car whit gps speed you drive in 93 km/h?
I may be second
Im first🎉😂