First time I listened to this I was pretty astonished at how violent and barbaric it was. I already loved pieces like the Rite of Spring so when I found out this was going to be playing at the BBC Proms, I was pretty skeptical at how it would be since I thought it was a bit overwhelming. Never in my experience of live performances had I encountered a piece with such power delivering an atmosphere which is indescribable. With each of the drums resonating with my whole body, this truly was an unforgettable experience, listening to this live. I really appreciate this composer and the complexity and depth of this piece, which is unlike anything I've ever heard.
Xenakis, the embodiment of oragnized chaos. I remember as a kid listening to him and wondering how he can make an orchestra sound like a jet engine. "She dances in the wind ",Threnody for Frank Zappa "
Xenakis, who was born in Greece and studied music in Paris, was in the mainstream of European traditional music, but his music does not feel human. His music was about to go beyond humanity.
Stochastic music is almost the opposite of serial composition which (like almost all earlier music) started from a musical microcosm, a single line, and grew it outwards (but sometimes in a rather rigid way). Instead Xenakis started from the overall principles governing the movements of massed sounds and worked down to the individual lines that make it up, only at the end. It was a response to music that had become too complex for the organisation to be audible.
this is what he aimed for but its a rather grandiose notion and he arguably did not suceed - "the movements of massed sounds" is a musical microcosm, just as statistical mechanics is only one part of physics. He was also too dismissive of fourier analysis which undermines a lot of his ideas about the outside/inside time.
One thing I am sure: Xenakis doesn't sound at all serialistic. It sounds brutal, dramatic, dynamic, and like he uses sound for dramatic changes of dynamics and rhythm
Yes I was just thinking that. The similarity of this piece to the soundtrack for Secret of Mana (no, seriously!) especially a big boss fight at the end is quite striking.
Je connais peu d’œuvres aussi évocatrices que celle-ci. Pour moi c'est un résumé sonore des horreurs de XXème siècle, proportionnées par les avancées technologiques. Quel siècle aurait pu accoucher une musique d'une telle violence ? C'est effrayant, c'est terrible, c'est intenable, mais pensez au génocide arménien ou celui des Tutsis, à Buchenwald, au bombardement de Dresde, aux meurtres en masse de Staline, aux bombes atomiques...cette soif d'auto-destruction que l’être humain, dans sa révolte d'être mortel, n'arrive pas à contrôler.
This fella's creations have always twisted my stomach. Its like consuming two large tuna steaks with chocolate syrup on top and a large portion of mac and cheese on the side. Like, why?
Well that depends on what you call music. The most common definition is “a series of intentional sounds”. By this definition this is very much music. This is a definition my university thought was great, so Id say it’s worth using it.
@@ibealgoody2666. Nice definition. I do like that it takes a more artistic aspect that my definition doesn’t, though should include. I’d say by you definition this is music. This not only requires very skilled musicians as well as conductor, but the craftsmanship of Xenakis’ orchestration is truly magnificent. To carefully design each and every instrument to come together like this is very difficult and I’d say he did it. As for originality, this very much has a “Xenakis” feel to it. The polyrhythms, the use of polyphony, and the dense but simple harmonic language, and the extreme precision of rhythm makes his music his own and very original.
@@jacobbass6437 I think it varies from person to person. But I fail to see how this is objectively distinguishable from a 3 year old throwing paint at paper (excuse the hyperbole)
Xenakis was an architect and a mathematician, and in his pieces he uses all sorts of formulas to make his pieces- essentially transforming mathematics into art. That takes an immense amount of skill, just imagine what sort of things it must have taken to make such a titanic piece. It takes some time getting used to, and it definitely isn’t easy to listen to in first place, but Xenakis was just amazing.
Music in this regard is in essence a deconstruction of traditional musical laws which govern general music compositions - this case being 'traditional classical music. Mind you these compositions are not 'a complete degeneration into chaotic noise-music masquerading as pretentious avant-gardism'. It is, as @hyperthesi explains, composed within a mathematical framework, with a desire to transform mathematics into art. Mind you that music mustn't be stricken to the narrativity which you claim to be imperative to enjoying music.
@@espressonoob I enjoy it for what it is, absolute wall of noise which gives off an intense feeling, but stochastic music is just an evolution of serialism... not much else, so I don’t really see the point of it from a conceptual point, however don’t just disregard it because some compositional thought went into this piece, though I prefer Renaissance or Baroque period music I’m all for modernist stuff
![Iannis Xenakis - Nekuia [w/ score]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NSkr33eVASg/mqdefault.jpg)
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First time I listened to this I was pretty astonished at how violent and barbaric it was. I already loved pieces like the Rite of Spring so when I found out this was going to be playing at the BBC Proms, I was pretty skeptical at how it would be since I thought it was a bit overwhelming. Never in my experience of live performances had I encountered a piece with such power delivering an atmosphere which is indescribable. With each of the drums resonating with my whole body, this truly was an unforgettable experience, listening to this live. I really appreciate this composer and the complexity and depth of this piece, which is unlike anything I've ever heard.
Seeing this piece played live is one of my biggest dreams. It's a pity the BBC did not streamed or taped that concert. What a missed opportunity.
@@DonFranArobe Having just been to a concert of Xenakis' music I think it really has to be heard live. It's that intense.
Reminds me of varese deserts and the rite of spring by Stravinsky channeled into one new hybrid.
The whole evening was transcendent. I will remember it as long as I live.
The audacity and sheer energy is incomparable. I'm in awe.
This makes me happier than it probably should lol
Tonal
Textural
Unforced drama
Element of repetition
Sudden contrast
Love it!
Excited to catch this along with the rite of spring this proms season! Clear derivations.
It was wonderful
@@diabl2master Yes it absolutely was.
this is insane. the sound is almost paralyzing, especially if you listen to without moving and with blank mind for the first 5 minutes
This speaks to my soul in ways that I did not imagine like possible.
This is a delirious piece of art.
Xenakis, the embodiment of oragnized chaos.
I remember as a kid listening to him and wondering how he can make an orchestra sound like a jet engine.
"She dances in the wind ",Threnody for Frank Zappa "
Excelente!! Bárbaro increíble música , me encanta que hermosa es , excelente pleno 2023 !! ♥️♥️♥️🙌🙌🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏
this is the first time i've enjoyed listening to music in years.
What a fabulously exciting piece!
This is one of my favorite pieces of music, so raw and unhinged yet beautifully tragic in a way. Very nice :]
I’m amazed, wow !
8:47
Love how he builds up to the sound of the tires screeching and the whistle. It sounds so good.
Incredible ~ beautiful.
This is single-handedly going to destroy my eardrums
This is what we'd like to hear
Magnificent!
Merci pour la partition!
Holy shit! I had no idea! Why did nobody tell me? Life will never be the same.
Such a great piece.
Such à GREAT man !
What a score. Bravo
so good...
Thank you Ad Nauseam
3:53 EPIC MOMENT!
Stravinsky: 😤
@@deciph_7563 rite of copyright
INDEED
@sinihcam ed mueD sus
@@agolooritte3057 copyrite of spring
great music to study to. highly recommend !
Yes, don't pay attention to it, I'm sure that's what the composer would have wanted.
Xenakis, who was born in Greece and studied music in Paris, was in the mainstream of European traditional music, but his music does not feel human.
His music was about to go beyond humanity.
Ixenakis IS indeed " BEYOND ".....JUST A GENIUS..as an avant - garde componist . As à mathemetiker , as an architect....
Stochastic music is almost the opposite of serial composition which (like almost all earlier music) started from a musical microcosm, a single line, and grew it outwards (but sometimes in a rather rigid way). Instead Xenakis started from the overall principles governing the movements of massed sounds and worked down to the individual lines that make it up, only at the end. It was a response to music that had become too complex for the organisation to be audible.
Ratio
@@-.a Grow up
this is what he aimed for but its a rather grandiose notion and he arguably did not suceed - "the movements of massed sounds" is a musical microcosm, just as statistical mechanics is only one part of physics. He was also too dismissive of fourier analysis which undermines a lot of his ideas about the outside/inside time.
One thing I am sure: Xenakis doesn't sound at all serialistic. It sounds brutal, dramatic, dynamic, and like he uses sound for dramatic changes of dynamics and rhythm
Gracias!
I'm revisiting this masterful piece again on February 15, 2023. Stravinsky and Bernard Herrmann "shines through" this brilliant composition.
Like burnt toast.
Intense ,fascinating !
Even though Xenakis felt he was not influenced by Eastern music, the beginning melody is very gamelan-like.
Yes I was just thinking that. The similarity of this piece to the soundtrack for Secret of Mana (no, seriously!) especially a big boss fight at the end is quite striking.
Because he’s using the Pelog scale 😅
This is what I listen to when reading Garth Marenghi novels. Perfect accompaniment.
Tremendous.
Cela me rend folle !!!
3:52 reminds me of Rite of spring 🤘🤘🤘🤘🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️
Congratulation Arturo! Good work.
xenakis is very beautiful
Excelente obra .
very good
Le Sacre du fin de siecle
que maravilloso...
Woooooow!!!
une oeuvre titanesque...
Starts off with "Psycho" by the great Bernard Herrmann.
then becomes Jaws
Bernard who was infuenced in his composition by Pohjola's Daughter (Sibelius).
Bravo.
Je connais peu d’œuvres aussi évocatrices que celle-ci. Pour moi c'est un résumé sonore des horreurs de XXème siècle, proportionnées par les avancées technologiques. Quel siècle aurait pu accoucher une musique d'une telle violence ?
C'est effrayant, c'est terrible, c'est intenable, mais pensez au génocide arménien ou celui des Tutsis, à Buchenwald, au bombardement de Dresde, aux meurtres en masse de Staline, aux bombes atomiques...cette soif d'auto-destruction que l’être humain, dans sa révolte d'être mortel, n'arrive pas à contrôler.
L œuvre, parmi tant d autres , d un GENIE.
3:53 yeehaw
About as intense if not more than the sample-based Silent Hill soundtracks, but achieved acoustically in a live setting. What a composition!!
I wonder what would have happened if xen was chosen to play for close encounters of the 3rd kind.... probably been a different ending...
So overwhelming
Final chapter: hannibal reveals who he really is
Самый лютейший музыкальный замес который я когда-либо слышал вакханалия
3:54
Me playing vs Sephiroth in Final Fantasy VII
like javanese traditional music
3:53 metal af
Everyone listening to shostakovick is gangsta until listening to this
Broooo that's literally what happened to me
@@schneiderFFF but do you like them both?
@@agolooritte3057 yea
@@schneiderFFF shosta 15 mvt 1 or 4? Or can t decide
@@agolooritte3057 i would have said 3rd movement, but 1 is better than 4 in my opinion
8:59 ❤
Would anyone notice if I played a bum note (notes)?
Xenakis was channeling Stravinsky.
This sounds like what going through a car wash looks like
OH OUAISSSSS
I wonder what Zappa thought of Xenakis. There are shades of Varése here...
Yes!!! the first interesting commentary here.
Holy fuck! This is genius!!
Le Sacre....
出だし、♪ねんねんころりよ、おころりよ♪って日本の子守歌に聞こえて、えっ？ってなった。
クセナキスの曲って日本人ぽい
This is great but makes me think of horror situations
ay wey
11:46
Love song of today’s Orcs. The ones now destroying and making obscene in Ukraine. Those orcs.
What a racket!
This reminds me of Penderecki’s “Threnody to the victims of Hiroshima”
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Aliens.
This fella's creations have always twisted my stomach. Its like consuming two large tuna steaks with chocolate syrup on top and a large portion of mac and cheese on the side. Like, why?
sounds like something from a horror movie
You must be watching some great horror films in that case!
Sounds like a Charles Ives song.
Charles Ives SONG?!
S O N G!?
S O N G ? !
Yes. In English, pieces of music are called "songs," regardless of whether people are actually singing.
@migs_xyz yes. Specifically "Putnam's Camp," since that's the one I'm most familiar with.
I like how throwing paint on paper is now 'music'
Well that depends on what you call music. The most common definition is “a series of intentional sounds”. By this definition this is very much music. This is a definition my university thought was great, so Id say it’s worth using it.
@@jacobbass6437 In my mind, music or art has to be a combination of skill and originality. This piece contains only one of the two.
@@ibealgoody2666. Nice definition. I do like that it takes a more artistic aspect that my definition doesn’t, though should include. I’d say by you definition this is music. This not only requires very skilled musicians as well as conductor, but the craftsmanship of Xenakis’ orchestration is truly magnificent. To carefully design each and every instrument to come together like this is very difficult and I’d say he did it. As for originality, this very much has a “Xenakis” feel to it. The polyrhythms, the use of polyphony, and the dense but simple harmonic language, and the extreme precision of rhythm makes his music his own and very original.
@@jacobbass6437 what does the uni define as good music?
@@jacobbass6437 I think it varies from person to person. But I fail to see how this is objectively distinguishable from a 3 year old throwing paint at paper (excuse the hyperbole)
just noise
É um barulho ordenado e muito bonito
This music is not good. Not sorry. He just like took away the story element that goes into Orchestra and just smashes a bunch of keys calling it art.
Xenakis was an architect and a mathematician, and in his pieces he uses all sorts of formulas to make his pieces- essentially transforming mathematics into art. That takes an immense amount of skill, just imagine what sort of things it must have taken to make such a titanic piece. It takes some time getting used to, and it definitely isn’t easy to listen to in first place, but Xenakis was just amazing.
It's not the music that isn't good. YOU are not good. How dare you talk about Xenakis like this!
Music in this regard is in essence a deconstruction of traditional musical laws which govern general music compositions - this case being 'traditional classical music. Mind you these compositions are not 'a complete degeneration into chaotic noise-music masquerading as pretentious avant-gardism'. It is, as @hyperthesi explains, composed within a mathematical framework, with a desire to transform mathematics into art.
Mind you that music mustn't be stricken to the narrativity which you claim to be imperative to enjoying music.
well if its not good why does it emotionally affect me?
what a horrifying mistake.
@Evil Santa no just a mistake it was written and recorded.
@Evil Santa I don't know why you're defending screeching, ear offending, nyc traffic equivalent noise as music lol.
@Evil Santa wow! noise!
@@espressonoob I enjoy it for what it is, absolute wall of noise which gives off an intense feeling, but stochastic music is just an evolution of serialism... not much else, so I don’t really see the point of it from a conceptual point, however don’t just disregard it because some compositional thought went into this piece, though I prefer Renaissance or Baroque period music I’m all for modernist stuff
Your opinion is valid. I disagree though
so good...
Xenakis' works are very easy for anyone to appreciate
i also feel so
indeed
@@machida5114my brother doesn't appreciate xenakis :(