Time Stamp Map 0:00 Introduction 1. 6:24 How did you initially find out about the WMSCOG, and what caused you to recognize the need for their teachings to be refuted? 2. 11:40 What are some of the books and other resources you used to delve into your research of this cult, and how did the difficulty of obtaining certain resources impact your studies? 3. 15:15 Overview of the origin & history of the WMSCOG, and their current teachings 4. 23:55 How does the WMSCOG's modalistic view of God allow them to elevate the position of key leaders in their organization? 5. 26:25 Does the WMSCOG believe there is a distinction between "Christ" and "Jesus"? 6. 27:23 How does the WMSCOG respond to the biblical truth that "the fullness of deity dwells bodily" in Christ (Colossians 2:9), and in all cults, how does their tendency to take verses of Scripture out of context affect their ability to spread false teaching? 7. 32:16 (Overview of the WMSCOG's current teachings *continued*) 8. 36:01 About AhnSahngHong's book, "The New Jerusalem and the Bride: Interpretation on Women's Veil" 9. 40:27 What are some of the definitive cultic characteristics of the WMSCOG, and how can having a solid Christian worldview serve as a safeguard for us against false teaching? 10. 42:12 About Steven Hassan, his books, and his B.I.T.E. Model of cult characteristics --43:19 B - Behavior Control --48:00 I - Information Control --1:05:02 T&E - Thought & Emotional Control 11. 1:00:07 and 2:00:53 If any of our listeners have WMSCOG books and would like to donate them to help equip our ministry, where can they send them? 12. 1:11:14 What role can spiritual warfare play in how the characteristics of the B.I.T.E. Model can affect cult members? 13. 1:13:05 When we engage in conversations with WMSCOG members, what are some of the key verses/arguments that get brought up, their perspective on how those verses/arguments support their theology, and some good responses we can offer to those verses/arguments? 14. 1:31:34 About the "Prophecy of the 40 Years of David" that WMSCOG members are taught 15. 1:38:53 Do you think the WMSCOG may claim that AhnSahngHong's baptism was at the age of 30 in order to strengthen the connection between him and Jesus (who was baptized at the age of 30)? 16. 1:39:33 About their observance of the feasts, and their claim that observance is necessary for salvation 17. 1:48:00 How do WMSCOG members interpret Galatians 4: 26, and how can we respond to that verse, offering them an explanation of its proper context? 18. 1:55:37 If I've come to realize that I've been a part of a cult (either formerly or presently), what should I do?
I was approached by a girl from this group in Walmart. I attempted to debate her on the scripture verses she was throwing at me (because I knew the context of the verses)...and she basically got freaked out and hurried away. Know your Bible, it makes a huge difference in these interactions
Please look into the Queen of Heaven scriptures. Many Americans are being misled by the lukewarm beliefs because of false teaching of prosperity. Jesus already knew that when he was preaching. That is why HE LEFT THE SCRIPTURES OF THE ONE TO COME. WISDOM. JERUSALEM. PLEASE PRAY FOR THE TWO WITNESSES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW ON THE EARTH. THIS IS NO JOKE. AKA SOPHIA. LOOK HER UP. AND IF CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO PROCLAIM THEY LOVE JESUS SO MUCH THEN WHY ARE THEY NOT SEEKING PROPHECIES????
Very true they do. My friend showed them a Tasha Cobb song and they were concerned about the song not being about Ahn Sahng-Hong which I was taught which is the 'name' of the Holy Spirit.
I'm an agnostic, though I love the idea of religion and have been doing more research on it. I have been attending a 'Bible Study' with someone who approached me in my college town and on the latest study he started speaking about Ahn Sahng-Hong and that doomsday is near... I just want to say thank you for making these videos! They have helped me realize that these teaching are not Christian teachings and should be rejected. As well as equipping me with knowledge to so I can dispute these teachings with grounded, theological arguments.
The truth will set us free from contagious thoughts. It’s still crazy to think that the Codex Vaticanus was written in the 4th century AD. While the Dead Sea scrolls have been a bit hectic to say the least what remains is the very essence of the words “all things will come to pass but the word will last”. It is a shame that people’s own opinions interject teachings and try confiding in niche out of context verses as the disguising foundations of adequate teachings which shows weakness and as examples of failures in faith. As an example of God in my life I recently went back to looking into the faith with an old small missionary gift of a New Testament Bible coupled with the book of Psalms. In this walk I decided to sit on a bench and just randomly open the Bible and saw Psalms chapter 139. That chapter is all about being hidden from God yet his presence is always with me. I go to the mountains yet he’s still there where can I find a place without his presence? This isn’t to be given victory points like Pharisees pridefully praying in public, it’s a silent calming moment that while it has no supernatural bearing it resonated me as I was heading out of my house from where I’d normally dedicated to read my Bible as of late. Sure people can call that a convenient page but this also falls in line with Jesus’s teachings of not showing miracles as the Pharisees would say the sky is suppose to look like that and that the stars were set in the sky with an existing purpose. It’s odd how these words don’t age. My message to you is to continue but also let those words resonate in your mind and meditate on context. Without it, we will fall like fools who thought of these outlandish ideologies or scams. Hosea 4:6 said it best “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” Peace be with you.
Having gotten out of JWs summer 2020, it blows my mind how even this cult is similar to them. As a JW, I thought we were so unique. But all cults are the same at their core: the end is right around the corner, you have to perform works for salvation, you can be shunned if you're disciplined, cherry-picked scriptures, rely heavily on publications other than the Bible, make prophecy that fails to happen, gaslight members, etc. It finally hit me that I was not a part of something good, decent, unique, honest, and holy. It is devious, dangerous, evil, misleading, and oppressive. I am so happy to have been rescued by God and I am trying hard to clean out the Watchtower cobwebs from my mind and heart and move forward in Christ.
I have been thinking the same thing. I have gotten out of Mormonism and this cult is quite similar to it as well. It saddens me to see this cult deceiving so many people. I am glad you have found Christ. It is not common to find Ex-Mormons and Ex-JWs pursuing Christ. Most of them either become lukewarm, agnostic, or full-blown atheist because once they find out that they have been deceived, they don't know what to believe in anymore. I almost fell down that path after leaving the church, but by God's grace, he rescued me when I read his word (the Bible).
I had a friend (sort of) that invited me to a service. I went and spent the whole time standing my ground and debating a youth leader on their doctrines. I think I won 😂
Good for you! My girlfriend is trying to get me to go into their bible study. I think Ill have some questions for them lol. idk how people fall for this stuff.
It is very discouraging to know that this cult is operating still and at large. They pray to a different God! I was a part of this cult for months and thankfully was able to pull myself out.
They’re literally everywhere. This is one of many. I was radically saved about an month ago and the Holy Spirit has given me new eyes to see what I couldn’t before. Continue praying to Jesus to call more of his children home.
@@daxbruce3491 no that's mainly a RC thing however you do know psychopaths and narsisists get to the top of all organisations and do nasty things because they have gained power. It's the same thing everywhere including the BBC in England. Trudeaus friends are known pedos. Epstien island for example. We have scandles in every county and in every country. Keep the world in perspective. These people are everywhere. Its disgusting no matter where it is but understand how they operate. Celebrities are heavily involved. Crissy tegan for example.
The fact that they're unwilling to share their material, and are so secretive about it is a MAJOR red flag... If a group can't be up front about their core teachings and don't want anyone outside the group to have access to those materials, turn and run in the opposite direction.
@@Keke-dg6qk There was never a need to restore the Passover, "For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed" (1 Corinthians 5:7). So, do you mean to suggest that there is a greater lamb of God than Jesus Christ himself (and I mean the Jesus Christ of the Bible, not your antichrist Ahnsonghong)?
I am getting therapy now. I missed my first Tuesday and this looming fear came over me. I started therapy, blocked members. This is my first Saturday not going and I am glad. It’s a toxic environment.
A few years ago I was working at a car dealership with a gentleman. I was new but all the other sales ppl could not stand this particular guy. I thought they were hating because he was the top seller every single month. (Im sure that played a role) but he and I bonded over Christ and I was starting to become his mentee at work. Well one day he asked me to bible study and I agreed to go. He invited me to this house in a normal looking neighborhood but the house was completely empty inside. He had said he was just moving but it was.....bone dry empty. So I already started feeling a bit weird. So I get there and hes cooking and theres only one other person there a young lady. I was told she would be the one having bible study with me and no one else is was coming. So I was like haha okay...😅😅 Long story short she starts this bible study which is really more like a demonstration that I found eerily specific. Like said in the video, the scriptures were so out of context. The flipping to certain scriptures in order to prove what she was saying was so unsettling to me for some reason. I let her go along with it until the end because well one I was alone in a house in a town I wasnt familiar with with people I didnt know. But once she was done I just nodded and said yeah wow this really interesting and then I left as quickly as possible. I will never forget thay experince though.
Shocking huh? government is just as bad of a cult as anything else. Mommy Religion or Daddy government both require control of perception and personnel.
I swear this is the group that forcefully baptized a few students at my university years ago. At the time, there were girls who were going out in pairs trying to tell people about God the Mother all over our campus. It was hard finding info about them at the time, just had to use good old bible knowledge to figure out they weren’t on the right track.
They highly pressured me to baptize ASAP ; even after a few studies. If I didn’t attend the full sabbath or third day worship, they’d accuse me of being in the world and distracted from father and mother. They claim they “love you” yet if you leave the church you’ll never hear from that. Is that love ?
One of them approached my wife in a grocery store and I ended up rebuking that man in the name of Jesus. He's so decieved and even said he saw your video when I mentioned it.
They approached my daughter in law 4 months ago in a grocery store as well. I have never heard of this cult until then. Now my son and daughter in law are there every time the doors are open. Praying their eyes open soon that this is a cult and not of the Lord..
@@theodoreritola7641 like the Bereans they studied hard and were commended for that. Some credit is due in my opinion. The glory goes to the Holy spirit.
To anyone in Arizona, beware if your friends and family go to Glendale Community College, they were constantly running around on campus approaching anyone they could
Yup... encountered 2 women at a downtown campus of my city many years ago. Being pretty solid, I instantly rebuffed them. They were tenacious. I stood my ground and ended the interaction.
I ran into them about 10 years ago at ASU. They asked me the question about the mother of God and I replied, oh you mean Mary who gave birth to Jesus and his brothers and sisters and then died right.? I never knew that I was approached by a cult until now. So be aware if you are around ASU.
had to come to this video after this lady came up to me on my campus trying to convince me to attend their bible studies 😭😭 i knew something about them was fishy
Last week members of this group came to my door. Thankfully they found my children equipped with the true word of God and never came back. My children gave them a hard time. I didn't know about this cult until my children asked me about "mother god" and eternal life, the research has lead me to this channel. Thanks from Uganda.
My dad has been a leader in this cult for years and years. It terrifies me and I pray for him constantly. If I ever get my hands on any of the books I’ll hook you up :) He lives in another country right now. I love him so much and it hurts knowing he won’t be in heaven with me if he doesn’t ever leave. If you could please keep both him and his wife who led him into it, in your prayers, thank you.
God is amazing because I've been in contact and bible studies with a lady from this church. The things she teaches was new to me: keeping the Sabbath, observing the passover and mother god. I realised the Sabbath and the passover is good to keep but I felt pressure to keep them because she said it's the only way to get blessing and be saved. I cut her off for a few weeks because she stated telling me about the second coming and that didn't sit right with me. So I spent some time with God on my own through prayer and in the bible. I had questions about observing these and the importance if it. I came across verses that said we are saved by grace and faith believing in Jesus we are saved. Peter through the wisdom of God said the gentiles shouldn't carry the yoke his ancestors weren't able to carry but through faith we are saved. Then I come across this video today. Its only by His grace. I am completely cutting ties with this woman because all I need is God and building my relationship with Him and listening to His word! Thank you for this video. God bless you
Three ladies approached me and told me the exact same thing! I told them that we're saved by Grace and there's nothing we can DO to be saved. I'm glad you searched for these answers in the Bible. We have to be vigilant.
that's why the message of Apostle Paul to the Colossians is the sufficiency of Christ...any beliefs and ordinances added is just separating us from faith... Heb.7:25 He(Jesus)is able also to save them to the "UTTERMOST" that come unto God by Him. UTTERMOST=maximum, most, paramount,supreme,ultimate(Merriam-Webster)🙂
Can you do a video about Shincheonji Church of Jesus ? It’s also a cult originated in Korea. They are getting people to join their mystery “Bible study class”. A lot of people have been deceived. 😭😭😭
😭 ILJCN (Colossians 3:17), This is how you can tell Truth from error: James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures: 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. --------------------------- God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind. Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached. Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones? 🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
It’s hard when you look for a good church and this cult takes you to “Bible study” and has you go into the Bible and read scriptures.and now through mike know that all their teaching were just bits of scriptures pieced together that we’re OUT OF CONTEXT…teach false teachings….I did honestly like HOW they teach about the Bible but wrong is wrong. ughh this sucks.thanks mike for all the information!… well now on to looking for a new church again.
Basically you’re saying that a TH-cam video is more reliable than a BIBLE (BIBLE) study? How ? How can you not think that sucks ? God is not on TH-cam, is on the Bible. ❤
@@luiscarloscastanedadelaros6045 Dude, the bible cannot self-interpret, agree? _Somebody_ has to interpret it. This is where the problem starts. For 2,000 years Christians agree that the bible says that there is only one God (who is 3 Persons). Even the Jewish people believe in one God. Then wmscog (the new kid on the block) comes and says no, no, no...there is a god and a god-dess! See what I mean? So *_who_* you listen to determines where you finally end up with - for better or for worse. I think you have chosen the wrong 'person' to listen to. Prayers for you.
As someone desperate to find anything that brought me closer to God, I feel sad that this is what my commitment led to but glad I found out sooner than later (a couple of hrs after baptism to be exact and being exposed to the church study ways for a couple of days😂) I've been a believer in Christianity since I was baptised as a baby but later fully experienced God's love at the age of 16. I turned to Christ and tried to live the life set out for me, obviously failing as known 😅. At my current age of 21, I thought it would be best to commit my life more to God, thus open to anything "Christian" like sounding. I willingly went to their study sessions for five days for roughly an hr (a one on one with the pastor accompanied with the person who brought me to their church) and got baptised after I covered ten subjects. Being flooded with information and scriptures being picked out to back up their claims, it felt like the scripture was being used out of context but I didn't have the urge to test that as the pastor was speaking with such confidence. I had the feeling of, "wow I'm learning new things" things I did know (not everything taught) but because it was taught differently, I doubted what I learnt and fully committed to what I heard from the pastor. It was always followed by, "do you have any questions?" I never truly understood the saying, "I don't know what I don't know" until asked this question during studying of Subjects and topics. They convinced me that to get into heaven; you had to be baptised as soon as possible, for tomorrow was unknown. As much as they backed this up with scripture, it didn't occur to me to stop and think about what I was getting myself baptised into. Thinking I was doing this all for the Glory of God and how this would further strengthen my bond with him, I was merely fooling myself. An hr after I was baptised, I had the urge to search this church up. A feeling to test its claims to be valid as it's teaching goes, the church of God is the only church that God will save because all the other churches didn't follow one of many, e.g. "Passover" teachings and how if they didn't do this, they would be essentially denied eternal life even though they believed in Jesus Christ. Etc etc. I'm glad that God showed me this. May anyone desperate to be part of a community that teaches the bible commit themselves to the Bible first, as stated in this video, in Jesus mighty name. Amen. I was taken by how accurate Mike would speak on the church of God members. Now, realising what I did not know and now know was the game changer for me, so thank you.
Hi Christine, I will pray for you right now that you do find a good church that God is working in and can use you in. Mike did one short video a while back on how to know if a church is good/Biblical title (how to choose a good church). I would check that out. And just searching for verses that talk about what good leaders are like and their qualifications and verses on the Church's role in the world. Maybe you have already found a sound church truly following Jesus which is great. If not, please don't give up. You need to be gathering with other believers. Hope my comment wasn't presumptuous. I just wanted to provide a little guidance and encouragement. I'm glad you didn't get caught up in that church you talked about.
Omg the EXACT same this happened to me!!! I was only apart of them for a few months doing studies, was baptized, went to ONE service and instantly knew this was a mistake. Granted I always had this voice in the back of my head telling me that this wasn’t right, especially when it came to mother God and the sending coming, but I had been doing studies for months before even learning this and was already in the belief that well I guess it’s true. Of course that little voice was the Holy Spirit, but I can’t even express how uncomfortable that service was, it was horrible. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough haha, thank God he was with us and opened our eyes before we got too deep.
I encountered this group just yesterday, they use scripture out of context. Thank you for making this video to inform other people about this cult as much as possible. I came across to your channel finding way how i can answer their analogies. God bless you more.
My wife was approached by them about 10 years ago in Wilmington, NC. She said she would sit down with them if everyone agreed to only use the Bible as the source. They agreed, and then immediately pulled out another book and said that you have to use the new book as well. She said no thanks and left since they had agreed to only use the Bible.
Mike Winger, peddling Jesus and can't stop because he would have to get a different profession. I'll sponsor you whenever you are ready to deconvert from this Ceasarian religion. Most apologists have no way out of their financial trap.
Thanks for sharing this video Pastor Mike! I’m from Alberta, Canada and had an encounter with this group for the first time a few years ago at my University. I knew something was off, but never could find much about it online. Thanks so much for bringing this to the wide wide web!
Thank you so much Mike I literally was ambushed at the store by one of their members. It didn't take me long to precieve that this lady I was talking to was in a cult, I know my Bible so I was able to see it right away. I can see how a nominal believer or everyday person could be led atray by their muddled theology as you stated. Praying for this lady that I met will come to see the truth of Jesus ❤🙏
To know the truth ,found channel of Jehovah the only organisation preaching the good news, abut the Kingdom,, All other fools abut the Kingdom,, Jesus his the head off the Kingdom , and the onotied his Brother, they going to be in haven,, to roll for a 1000 year,, That's the truth, and That's wate going to happen,, All other teaching is lieyer of Satin,, Remember Jesus is come from Jehovah God Almighty,, you dont billive Jesus hiw can you believe Jehovah,,
They have approached me on my campus 3 times, one time I even recognized them from trying to recruit me downtown from months before. Due to me not being extremely religious, I was just listening to their logic because of how harmless it seemed, but my girlfriend -- pure, honest christian -- kept yelling at me to get away. She is Korean from South Korea, so she warned me saying how common this stuff is and how crazy they are. After seeing this content it is surreal to me how so many people get tricked because initally all they talk about is Jesus Christ and the bible, so you never question them. I wonder when it becomes too late for people to the point they feel like they have to stay?
YOUR FIRST VIDEO was great! and yes more people need to speak about this group... I was approached by two of their members at a University Campus in PE South Africa and i had never heard of them, it was shocking because i genuinely didn't know someone could misread and twist scripture LIKE THAT. So the scary thing is they started in Korea now are in Africa. I pray God guards all believers and that we get to know God so we can see the lies when they come this way.
Thank you for putting this content out here. My mother has been with this cult for years and our relationship has been severed because if them. She had called me the other day and got into a conversation about holidays. This time, I've completely drew the line once in for all when she told me that Jewish people deserved what happened to them and that what Hitler did was right. I'm not 100% sure what in the world they're teaching her, but when she said that, I want nothing to do with her anymore. I just don't have time for that kind of nonsense.
I’m so sorry about what happened to your mother, that sounds terrible! I had a few people approach me at the mall talking to me about this cult. Good thing I found this content! Hopefully your mother can be saved.
@Sarah Alderman I gave up because I have too much on my plate including my kids. They come first, especially when she tells me that one of my children is Satan's work, I completely shut myself off from her emotionally. My mother, has a history of mental things going on (reason why she's in this cult in 1st place) that I've been cut and burned one too many times it gets to the point where our relationship just died. She's on her own. She does great at pushing people away.
@@JohnSmithAwesomeSauce55 Thank you. I don't know what will happen but hopefully she can find her own peace when it's time for her to go. She has a very long history of issues one pushing away people who tell her the truth about her mental issues. The one things that is positive about all this that um learning so much about what trauma can do to you and how to heal and move forward rather than stay stuck in victim mode. She's a perfect example of what NOT to do.
WHAT????????? I used to be into holocaust denial but after coming to Christ and entering the truth, it became so obvious that the things I thought I knew were so obviously false. Only the work of a demon could blind someone so heavily... Praying for your mother
Funny story: I heard about this mother God cult 5 years ago at my house. They came knocking and started talking to my bro about God. Then by the of the Holy Spirit, I can hear clearly what the person was saying to my bro on the second story on the opposite side of where they were. It was crazy, but I heard every word. It went against the gospel spoken by Paul and lived by Jesus. Any way, I came down and I started to talk with him. I listened, and as he presented the Bible, it was talking about mother God. Such nutty aspect. After getting into the Bible, he did not want to talk. Then he brought another person who was "the teacher." Then we spoke. Then the teacher started to get upset and left. Never say him or the group again. Thank God for Him stepping in for who knows what would havenhaooened with my brother.
Good for you. GOD can use those Scriptures to convict and take those in bondage into freedom! Got a phone call from mormons once in the 90's. Wondering what I was doing? Was convicting some. They were losing team members. A doctor friend had called the mormons as a joke regarding me to win me to their side. So was having frequent visits. If GOD convicted me to do it, and HE did, I would look for the weaker missionary and ask GOD for Scripture to demonstrate TRUTH. TRUTH is so much more a reflection of GOD's LOVE than cult lies. GOD used HOLY BIBLE TRUTH to change lives caught in darkness. Of this I have no doubt! lucifer is busy these days deceiving those who do not take the time to learn about GOD in the HOLY BIBLE for themselves.
Ahhhhhh, yes! I was kind of sort of kidnapped by this group when I was living in South Korea 😂 It went from two middle aged ladies love bombing me and trying to help me go to Home Plus to get some cleaning supplies to me being whisked away on the other side of the city to their big church. They had me in a meeting room watching a video about how I should join the church and being asked to get baptized right then and there. It was quite the experience. I had just moved to South Korea, so I had no idea about this cult at all.
I was approached by members of a cult (not sure if this one) outside of LotteMart in Jamsil. They are very aggressive and kept asking me if I lived alone in Korea, where I lived, and if I would come with them for a “traditional Korean ceremony” I did NOT go with them!
"For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all..." - Romans 6:9 "who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” - Acts 1:11 Jesus can only die ONCE. Did Ahsanghong die, get buried and not rise from the dead? The Lord Yeshua will return the same way He left, on the clouds... Not reborn like some buddhist reincarnation garbage....
I’m so grateful for this broadcast. A couple of years ago I moved to Virginia and we were in search of a church and some new friends. I ran into these people at Walmart and they invited me to a “Bible study”. I was so excited. After talking to the girl for a little bit, she mentioned that they were studying the female form of God an Quoted Galatian 4:26, Genesis 1:26-27 and others. My excitement quickly faded away when I heard about “god the mother.” She contacted me the next day and we had a very intense conversation about god the mother. I left her the address to my church and asked her to visit and look me up if she ever decided to investigate her church and needed someone to talk to.
I got approached by a member of that group in the mall once I had never heard of them before that. The person that approached me almost acted as if they were under some kind of spell I knew right away it was a cult, I prayed for that person later on, wish I had in that moment, proclaimed the truth of Jesus Christ to them.
Same thing happened to me. I tried to explain they were misinterpreting scripture but i didn't have enough understanding of breaking it down in context. I still don't know if i could answer appropiately today
Back in 2013 two guys in suits came up to me in a Barnes n noble and asked me if I had heard of mother God. I said no God is our Father, and they grabbed a Bible off the shelf and went to Galatians 4:26 which says Jerusalem is above which is the mother of us all (something like that). That’s the only verse they pointed out. They told me Christ had come back secretly and He was a woman who they could tell me how to meet if I wanted to join them.. apparently she was on Rutgers campus in New Brunswick NJ 😏 I pointed them to the script where it says Jesus will be coming on the clouds and His coming will be like the lightning which flashes in the east and is visible in the west so will the coming of the Son of man be.. They said it’s basically a metaphor. I don’t remember everything they or I said but it was enough that they got frustrated and left. They went down the escalator (we were on the top floor) and stared at me the whole time as they descended... super creepy. But I have never met anyone who had heard of this and I’ve never heard about it since!!!
I was eating in New Brunswick years ago and met two dudes from the cult tryna evangelize me! Interesting..guess they were active around Rutgers for a while. That was my first time hearing of this cult.
I encountered them at community college five years ago. They also said that the "let us make man in our image" was an implication of male and female, and not, you know, the Trinity.
The parrable of the "cloud" means flesh meaning when jesus said hed come by the cloud hed return in the flesh and the lighting usually means "gods words" or when god speaks, and basically that means jesus will return in the flesh and preach the gospel to the whole world "east to the west"
This cult came to my door once. When they spoke about a mother god I assumed they were speaking of Ashera. They were not....they soon walked away pretty quickly when I tried to ask more about who they were talking about.
Mother God is a real 80 year old woman hwang won-sun. They believe Jesus came already as ahnsahnghong. Yet he died. They say ascended. They use Elohim to say that that is father and mother. They are so far gone
I've had a couple of encounters with members of the WMSCOG. In one of them the guy told me straight up that context doesn't matter in Biblical interpretation. This video is so interesting to me though because I'm starting to realize that the church I'm with has so many of these cultish characteristics.
@@tennisrockstar1 I was a member of the Local Churches associated with Witness Lee and Living Stream Ministry. Since I made that original comment I've left that group. I consider them a cult of personality.
@@tennisrockstar1 they're surprisingly obscure, especially for how big they are. I admit, I've become somewhat disillusioned to organized Christianity. I've been looking at the Baptist denomination. I don't know.
@@danlin8662 I understand, I came out of a major church last year, although mainly for doctrinal reasons. I think finding a smaller local church would be a good start, and remembering that no church is perfect, cause we arent. The church I am part of now is small and I believe has baptist roots although its not a major church like the one I was in before.
This came to me while watching this. You can have this idea if u have not thought of it. I love listening to your apologetic series. You have a couple (JWS, LDS, Passion Bible, Mother of God, and the Mark series.) Can u put these on DVD? You know, one topic per DVD? I would buy that. This way, if ur content did get taken off, you can do it this way and still get the word out. I love digital, however, as you know, we are being censored. Plus, this will help fund Bible thinker. This way we also have 2 options: hard copy and digital copy.
We are in Greeley Colorado and My husband has had numerous discussions with people in this cult in Walmart, Safeway, etc.. at one point there were 6 arguing and then there was none. I always tell them I am praying for them.
This is really good stuff. I was approached by these people a couple of times a few years ago; one time I tried to counter how they used Scripture, the other time I just couldn't. The minute they said something about "Mother God" I knew it was going to be an absolute charlie foxtrot. I really loved the point about how more important than knowing exactly what the heretics believe is knowing what you believe and why you believe it.
I appreciate this video about this cult!! I live in Texas and I didn’t know about this cult until they came to my apartment trying to “ evangelize “ me with their bad theology. Thank God I just knew their presentation of God as a woman was wrong but didn’t know how to argue against it . So this is a great ressource. Thanks you guys !!
I was.jusy approached the 1st time in the Merritt Island Mall in Merrite Island Florida....I didn't believe anything they were saying and kept asking questions they wouldn't answer but just kept going back to what they allready were saying....Im glad I looked into it and found your video so I know how to talk more with them if they approach me again
A few hours ago, my mom's older sister came and "evangelized" to my mom for the nth time. It seems that the group is in a hurry to evangelize because Passover is just two weeks away. I was just there in the background (cooking in the kitchen), listening and wondering if I needed to jump into the conversation to plant seeds of doubt into my aunt's mind. The conversation was starting to get heated so I decided to sit it out. My aunt didn't attempt to evangelize to me and my dad maybe because she knows we can deal with her evangelizing. She did talk to my grandma, though, inviting her to the annual Passover meal a few weeks from now. I was a bit rattled as I was listening even though I knew what my aunt was saying was refutable, perhaps because she spoke so confidently and authoritatively. Thanks to you guys in this video, I got reminded once again how to deal with a situation like that. I think you guys missed something important in this video. I think you should've also talked about what exactly they believe mankind need saving from. I may be wrong in my understanding, but I remember my aunt and his son telling me once a few years ago that our salvation was from the coming destruction of the world with fire. The only refuge is with their mother. I don't think they believe that we need salvation from sin ultimately.
ILJCN (Colossians 3:17), This is how you can tell Truth from error: James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures: 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. --------------------------- God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind. Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached. Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones. 🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
My Relationship with god was ruined by this group. I Have never felt the trust I would need to let myself believe again. The confusion I was left with at a young age has continued and lingers with me in my everyday life, my trust in people was damaged and I still find myself fighting my curiosity to go back to any religious beliefs.
Here in 2023 to say this group visited our apartment. It was pretty yuck. All verses were cherry picked - and then we asked them to leave after they asked if we knew that the Bible mentions God as a mother. It freaked me out that they were going door to door. I ended up looking them up and a church is 35 min away. Crazy.
These people approached me at Trader Joe's today. Was total Heresy! 2nd time they approached me. First time was in JCPENNEY and two women walked up to me asking if she could show me that God was a woman in the Bible. I said absolutely not! They walked away. Today at Trader Joe's, they stopped me and invited me to Bible study. I told them I study my Bible every day and just finished a One year chronological and starting a new study and didn't have time to add anything else. They persisted and invited me to celebrate Passover with them so I asked more questions because I thought maybe they were some kind of messianic church. Then they stated the Sabbath nonsense and told me Christians worship sun god on Sundays. Sounded like zeitgeist TH-cam video teachings from 2011. They tried to show me scriptures and everytime I quoted a scriptures that refuted what they were saying. Then they said something about god the mother and I asked her to repeat what she said because that phrase triggered my memory to the JCPenney experience. I told them no, the only worship of a mother was a queen of heaven and that was forbidden by God, so I wouldn't be interested in their Bible study. They persisted and I share Revelation 22:18-19 and they suddenly had to go say you have to come to a Bible study to understand. I said no thanks because God said let him who lacks wisdom ask of God, so I don't need them to teach me to understand the Word of God and neither do they. They didn't seem to like that.
Members of this group are increasing in my area, mostly young and nice people. I have been approached many times, in the beginning I just said you people are deceived, come back to the basic bible teachings because I wasn't fully equipped myself. I recently got approached again, thanks to your work, this time I know exactly how to refute respectfully. When I showed them Jeremiah 7:18-19, they ran away. However, I managed to say my final words for them to look at all the verses I shared for the sake of their salvation in Jesus Christ alone.
These guys just knocked on my door lol. I told them I have a friend who goes to your church in Vegas. They wanted to talk to me about the pass over. I said no thank you. It got me watching this video now. I need to study my Bible more. I should have just showed them this video.
They wouldn't have watched it. Next time I get approached (been approached 3 times) I'm going to ask if they know who Mike Winger is.. lol I bet they do.
I asked one of them "what is the Holy Spirit?". All he had to say is "it depends on the context". I repeated the question and he just couldn't answer, he had intimidated me the other time because he caught me off guard but this time I was prepared. I quickly told them about who the Holy spirit is to me and that it is the Spirit of God that guides us and fills us as Christians etc... But it's like speaking to a wall because everything is all about Context but they don't have and larger view understanding of what they are reading. They break the Bible into millions of segments and interpret them individually which makes it lose all context.
I used to be apart of the cult thank the Lord I got out. I asked for forgiveness and I believe God has forgiven me. I feel as if I need to do something more because I feel like I betrayed God. That feeling hurts. What else can I do to make things right?
Satan always tries to steal our joy in Christ. God has saved you! Rejoice! Now go love God with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself.
@@hemu333 If baptism at WMSCOG was your first baptism. Then for peace of mind and conscience I think it will be helpful to you as an act of personal consecration. Let the LORD lead you with that decision. I am certain He lead you out of there as an act of love and that you are secure in Christ. May the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you forever. Blessings!!
@@tunzj01 Thanks a lot for reply. I am so happy that I heard I am secured in CHRIST right after my fasting prayer completion. This is second baptism. But when wmscog korean pastor mentioned Ahnsanghang name while giving baptism, I told JESUS name only. I didn't takeout his name.
I just got approached for the 3rd time now. This time at a Target, but this was the first time when I said "I could never get on board with that bc there is no mother". That the girl seemed.. insulted. I was like sorry.. but there's not..
THANK YOU GUYS for tackling this cult and getting the word out - and for your fair, factual treatment of it. I was approached by 2 women in the grocery store late one evening and they cherry-picked 3-4 verses from the Bible and tried to build a case for a “hither-to hidden” new revelation in the Bible... but of course they didn’t lead with that. Their argument was obviously very much relying on my lack of familiarity with the Bible, especially prophecies in Revelation relating to Jerusalem and even the woman birthing the child (Israel and Christ)! Their opening statement to me was “have you ever heard anything about the female god of the Bible? I knew this was going to be some weird cult stuff, but no I had never heard that before so I engaged with them. They proceeded to present their 3-4 verses, out of context, with strange new interpretations that didn’t really connect clearly with one another (they begged for elaboration and additional study. Like a hook and bait). When I replied politely that I thought they were taking those verses out of context, and that actually this that and the other, that’s when they whipped out the line about “ah, yes, you would say that, but see we have a new revelation that has been hidden in the scriptures until now for the faithful. So now wouldn’t you be interested if God had something new to say to you?” Hmm... I believe scripture repeatedly warns us about false prophets, and those who would add to or alter God’s revealed Word! And is quite complete in itself in its current form. I told them no, I reject that idea based upon Scripture itself, and I wasn’t interested in hearing any more about a supposed new revelation that contradicted God’s Word. Christian brothers and sisters, know the REAL truth so that you can identify false teaching when you hear or see it! Pray that the Holy Spirit would give you discernment. Study the Word and truth, and pursue closeness with others who also value and hold fast to it. God bless you, gentlemen (creators of this video)!
They tried to grab me the same way and then we got tied up on the difference in Christianity of being under grace vs under the law. They kept trying to get in my personal space and that was the tipping point for me to end the conversation, which I regret because once I had about 5 minutes to calm down and talk to my parents I was able to find the verses that I wish I could have shared with them about the Good News of Jesus. They seemed genuinely taken back by the idea that we were no longer slaves to the law.
Hello, I was a a current member of the church but through God almighty and my good friend, I was shown the falseness of this doctrine and church and these videos helped. But to answer the question of the guy with hat on, yes they did say he was baptized in 1948 at the age of thirty aligned with Jesus Christ and his preaching at the age of thirty. They used this a further evidence that he is the second coming Christ. And they are very convincing in all of this too I might add. My fellow brothers and sisters please be careful if you are approached by them, they are very persuasive and if you’re not careful you’ll buy into like I did. God bless you all!❤️
I am a native citizen of Philippines. Somebody from that kind of religion invited me to join their bible study the moment i was on my way inside to a mall. They approach random people who would spend their time about their orientation. A member of the church is sending text messages and called me to join with them today. What should i do? Haha
LMAO, I'm an ex-member (2013-2016) I bought like 8 books, a few small books when I left that cult, I planned to burn them, and what did I do instead?.......... Gave them to my Catholic Priest lol. game him a box with the books, my veil, everything that was bought or given to me by that cult I gave to my Priest.
Very interesting point about the group's lack of an online presence. I had an encounter with two members on my university campus a few years ago. I asked if they had some website or a pamphlet so I could look at it on my own. They stonewalled very strongly and would not give me anything.
Wdym? There’s a lot of online content, go check it out 😃 there’s a lot more detailed explanations about God the Mother , sabbath, and many other topics that you prolly want to understand better.
I hope I'm not late by typing this, but Ps Mike i wish for you to hear this. "I once mentioned the name of Jesus in this church and they said Why am I mentioning His name." I'm a new member in this church. That just disturbed me.
You know I was part of the cult too... they really controlled my life like I had to sacrifice everything just tu be at the church but I didn’t mind it because I taught I was serving God in the truth but thanks God when I’ve seen this video I cried then left the cult and really had hard time finding new churches because of this cult God will Look at them at the end of the world
Don’t second guess yourself in your decision to leave. Don’t ever go back although you may Miss the connection with others. Wolves in sheep’s clothing to rob you of your freedom.
Just after my mother died, I was approached by a young woman asking me to join her bible study. She highlighted how important it was to celebrate the old testament feasts. I shared some of what I believed with her as well. I took her card and told her I would pray for her. When I got home I looked it up and found that they believed in God the mother. I never saw her again.
Had met some of these individuals at my own community college. I didn't realize how big this was getting at the time as this was back in 2013. They couldn't come up with enough of a logical theological basis to really sway me. They were pretty good at arguing points, but I was really well studied in the bible and what didnt sound biblical. I politely talked with them, but I left saying I did not see how they got that and walked away. That was the only time I ever saw anyone in that school talk about that.
Mike, your videos are so accurate. I attended this cult for two years, never went to any other church before it. Once I stopped learning new things in the church, I got bored and frustrated, and I thought it was just me. They do teach the same verses and chapters over and over. I am a lesbian, which is one of the main reasons I had issues with this church. Thank you guys for these videos. God bless.
😭 ILJCN (Colossians 3:17), This is how you can tell Truth from error: James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures: 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. --------------------------- God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind. Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached. Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones? 🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
I just had a Bible study with one of the members yesterday. An hour long with so much Bible twisting. He walked away after an hour and said let's agree to disagree. He pulled out some of the big guns when I asked him to summarize the main issues for me, how do I get saved? He said get baptized in his church. I said I'm always baptized. He said most churches are pagan because they meet on Sundays. I said they don't have too, I've been to church meetings on Fridays Wednesdays and Saturdays. Early churches met everyday. In the end he brought to the conversation between Jesus and the rich man he's told to do the law to gain eternal life. And he closes the Bible. I said why don't we finish reading that story Jesus tells him to go sell everything and follow him, have you sold everything? He said what and walk around naked? Well how about your house, car, that briefcase you're carrying? In any case he walked away. Apparently, the law only applies to other people.
I have several family members in this WMSCOG. I sent your shorter video to them earlier today and they are really in this to the point of completely ignoring anything rational. I am getting bombarded with responses from them and It just blows me away that like you said you have heard from those who have left….they have no foundation but they make it sound convincing😢
About 1948 is not only about the age 30, but they emphasize that’s the year Israel was “reestablished” and a large study in the Fig Tree. Also I have some random content I’ll be sending you that’ll give move inside information :) I can’t thank you enough for all of your videos information and words of encouragement, much needed for me as I’m still extremely uneasy and working on my relationship with Jesus who I know pulled me away from this false group.
Anyone in vegas want to help witness to them? As we draw closer to Jesus’s second coming, there will be more and more false prophets and cults and unfortunately only those who believe in Christ make it in, not those who believe in the fake “mother god”
That cult is rampant on Twitter - they post Bible verses, but then when you go to their websites listed on their twitter bios, it's all about the 'mother god'. It can be really difficult to talk to cult members about their wrong beliefs, so I am grateful for videos like this.
Lon Spector I am curious why? Sometimes God does save people out of cults . I agree to a point, sometimes their mind is made up- but we are called to evangelize as well. Do you think it’s better just to pray for them instead?
@@elliotu9268 I've blocked them every time they spam DM'ed me, so I don't have a link. Google Church of the Almighty God/Eastern Lightning and you'll find them.
My goodness it was horrific to watch that on Dr.Phil. Horrific yo watch that little toddler screaming so hard to get away from her and putting the kid in the closet!!! with the parents letting all that happen!!!!! I just wanted to cry so hard watching that! She should be imprisoned!!
I ran into three gentlemen proclaiming the mother god... I had a fascinating conversation with them. It is true, they pull random verses together to show that there is a mother god. I stopped them and went back to their verses and made them read in context. Simply put they could not explain around context. Then I asked the most important question, what is to benefit from having a mother god. They responded, "just so much, so wonderful." Like what? "Oh she is just beautiful and peaceful." Again, what's the benefit? I read them the words of Jesus from John 3 and then the Baptism in Trinity, where is your mother god and how can she provide anything more than what God, Jesus and Spirit have already done and provided? They could not give an answer and unfortunately we parted on good terms but I never ran into them again.
Matthew 24:5 .... For many will come in my name saying, I am the Christ, and will mislead many. That's what WMSCOG is all about. Ahn Sahng Hong claiming to be Christ has decieved many.
Yikes, I looked it up and from what I understand, the lady who is now the cult leader got sued by her own children when she took over all her husband's property after he died. I won't even get into what they claim because I just can't believe anyone could buy into such a rediculous idea. Seriously.... how.
There are resources but they are all on their website or within the church building. Some things online are only accessible through the site with a password.
Thank you so much for this Mike! I had a lengthy interaction with this group at my former college in 2014. I had recently read through genesis and I got to School and I felt the Lord telling me to read revelation. So I sat in the quad and the moment I finish the book a guy comes up to me asking if I'm a Christian and then goes into the quick mother god script. We have a short conversation but the more I ask questions, and say things like "I thought 'made in Our image' was referring to the Trinity" he decides that he'd like to set up another time for us to talk so he can bring his leader to answer more of my questions. I happily oblige and think if he can bring his mentor, I can bring mine. So I invite my pastor to come along, but unfortunately he's busy and he says it seems like I'm handing it well. So I went to the meeting alone and was completely filled with the Holy Spirit. He was allowing me to quote scripture that I didn't even know I remembered. At the end I said I would think and pray about there interpretations if they would about mine. They agreed, and I sincerely hope they did. Either way, if they weren't able to take anything away from that conversation I know the Lord has certainly used it to bless me.
The irony the “members” in this church shouldn’t even be in comment section defending wsmcog as it’s forbidden for them to be on the internet at least regarding research on the church so if they are in the comment section it’s a “sin”
Time Stamp Map
0:00 Introduction
1. 6:24 How did you initially find out about the WMSCOG, and what caused you to recognize the need for their teachings to be refuted?
2. 11:40 What are some of the books and other resources you used to delve into your research of this cult, and how did the difficulty of obtaining certain resources impact your studies?
3. 15:15 Overview of the origin & history of the WMSCOG, and their current teachings
4. 23:55 How does the WMSCOG's modalistic view of God allow them to elevate the position of key leaders in their organization?
5. 26:25 Does the WMSCOG believe there is a distinction between "Christ" and "Jesus"?
6. 27:23 How does the WMSCOG respond to the biblical truth that "the fullness of deity dwells bodily" in Christ (Colossians 2:9), and in all cults, how does their tendency to take verses of Scripture out of context affect their ability to spread false teaching?
7. 32:16 (Overview of the WMSCOG's current teachings *continued*)
8. 36:01 About AhnSahngHong's book, "The New Jerusalem and the Bride: Interpretation on Women's Veil"
9. 40:27 What are some of the definitive cultic characteristics of the WMSCOG, and how can having a solid Christian worldview serve as a safeguard for us against false teaching?
10. 42:12 About Steven Hassan, his books, and his B.I.T.E. Model of cult characteristics
--43:19 B - Behavior Control
--48:00 I - Information Control
--1:05:02 T&E - Thought & Emotional Control
11. 1:00:07 and 2:00:53 If any of our listeners have WMSCOG books and would like to donate them to help equip our ministry, where can they send them?
12. 1:11:14 What role can spiritual warfare play in how the characteristics of the B.I.T.E. Model can affect cult members?
13. 1:13:05 When we engage in conversations with WMSCOG members, what are some of the key verses/arguments that get brought up, their perspective on how those verses/arguments support their theology, and some good responses we can offer to those verses/arguments?
14. 1:31:34 About the "Prophecy of the 40 Years of David" that WMSCOG members are taught
15. 1:38:53 Do you think the WMSCOG may claim that AhnSahngHong's baptism was at the age of 30 in order to strengthen the connection between him and Jesus (who was baptized at the age of 30)?
16. 1:39:33 About their observance of the feasts, and their claim that observance is necessary for salvation
17. 1:48:00 How do WMSCOG members interpret Galatians 4: 26, and how can we respond to that verse, offering them an explanation of its proper context?
18. 1:55:37 If I've come to realize that I've been a part of a cult (either formerly or presently), what should I do?
is that like ingsoc but different
This time stamp is awesome! Thanks Sarah Zimmerman!
I was able to jump to points to shh by share!
Carole Rosario My pleasure, Carole! I'm so glad the timestamps were helpful for you!
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Thaaaank Yoooouuuuuu!!!!
I am currently involved with this church. The Lord, after prayer, guided me to this video. Thank you for doing the Lord's work. Thank you so much.
I'm so happy to hear that! I've been praying that people who are deceived by cults could be drawn to the truth.
Praise the Lord!
I hope you got out Michael! ❤️
YHWH is the Heavenly Father the Creator the Father of the Messiah YHSWH aka Jesus aka Joshua...
Michael I pray the Holy Spirit has lead out ! Run 🏃♀️ for your life from any cults plead the blood of Jesus!!! Jesus of Nazareth!
I was approached by a girl from this group in Walmart. I attempted to debate her on the scripture verses she was throwing at me (because I knew the context of the verses)...and she basically got freaked out and hurried away. Know your Bible, it makes a huge difference in these interactions
Yeah my ex got super into religion but really didn’t read the Bible enough to know the truths now he’s in this cult .
It recently happened to me. Also, at Walmart 😂 dude just told me I was brainwashed when I told him that his verses were out of context.
Same exact thing happened to my husband and I last night at the Irvine Spectrum in So Cal.
Please look into the Queen of Heaven scriptures. Many Americans are being misled by the lukewarm beliefs because of false teaching of prosperity. Jesus already knew that when he was preaching. That is why HE LEFT THE SCRIPTURES OF THE ONE TO COME. WISDOM. JERUSALEM. PLEASE PRAY FOR THE TWO WITNESSES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW ON THE EARTH. THIS IS NO JOKE. AKA SOPHIA. LOOK HER UP. AND IF CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO PROCLAIM THEY LOVE JESUS SO MUCH THEN WHY ARE THEY NOT SEEKING PROPHECIES????
Whenever you said they have official songs for the cult, I thought of ‘Mother Knows Best’ from Rapunzel 🤣
Same! XD
YHWH is the Heavenly Father the Creator the Father of the Messiah YHSWH aka Jesus aka Joshua....
Mummzy knows best! 🎶🎵🎶
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Very true they do. My friend showed them a Tasha Cobb song and they were concerned about the song not being about Ahn Sahng-Hong which I was taught which is the 'name' of the Holy Spirit.
I'm an agnostic, though I love the idea of religion and have been doing more research on it.
I have been attending a 'Bible Study' with someone who approached me in my college town and on the latest study he started speaking about Ahn Sahng-Hong and that doomsday is near...
I just want to say thank you for making these videos! They have helped me realize that these teaching are not Christian teachings and should be rejected. As well as equipping me with knowledge to so I can dispute these teachings with grounded, theological arguments.
Wow, that’s so cool! Good luck, and God bless you. Debating with others theology is hard.
The truth will set us free from contagious thoughts. It’s still crazy to think that the Codex Vaticanus was written in the 4th century AD. While the Dead Sea scrolls have been a bit hectic to say the least what remains is the very essence of the words “all things will come to pass but the word will last”. It is a shame that people’s own opinions interject teachings and try confiding in niche out of context verses as the disguising foundations of adequate teachings which shows weakness and as examples of failures in faith.
As an example of God in my life I recently went back to looking into the faith with an old small missionary gift of a New Testament Bible coupled with the book of Psalms. In this walk I decided to sit on a bench and just randomly open the Bible and saw Psalms chapter 139.
That chapter is all about being hidden from God yet his presence is always with me. I go to the mountains yet he’s still there where can I find a place without his presence?
This isn’t to be given victory points like Pharisees pridefully praying in public, it’s a silent calming moment that while it has no supernatural bearing it resonated me as I was heading out of my house from where I’d normally dedicated to read my Bible as of late.
Sure people can call that a convenient page but this also falls in line with Jesus’s teachings of not showing miracles as the Pharisees would say the sky is suppose to look like that and that the stars were set in the sky with an existing purpose.
It’s odd how these words don’t age.
My message to you is to continue but also let those words resonate in your mind and meditate on context. Without it, we will fall like fools who thought of these outlandish ideologies or scams. Hosea 4:6 said it best “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”
Peace be with you.
See his videos of fulfillment of prophecies
You dont seem all that "agnostic " to me.
I pray that God shows you the way.
Having gotten out of JWs summer 2020, it blows my mind how even this cult is similar to them. As a JW, I thought we were so unique. But all cults are the same at their core: the end is right around the corner, you have to perform works for salvation, you can be shunned if you're disciplined, cherry-picked scriptures, rely heavily on publications other than the Bible, make prophecy that fails to happen, gaslight members, etc. It finally hit me that I was not a part of something good, decent, unique, honest, and holy. It is devious, dangerous, evil, misleading, and oppressive. I am so happy to have been rescued by God and I am trying hard to clean out the Watchtower cobwebs from my mind and heart and move forward in Christ.
Same experience here with Christian Science.
I have been thinking the same thing. I have gotten out of Mormonism and this cult is quite similar to it as well. It saddens me to see this cult deceiving so many people. I am glad you have found Christ. It is not common to find Ex-Mormons and Ex-JWs pursuing Christ. Most of them either become lukewarm, agnostic, or full-blown atheist because once they find out that they have been deceived, they don't know what to believe in anymore. I almost fell down that path after leaving the church, but by God's grace, he rescued me when I read his word (the Bible).
Same i watch ex-jw testimonies all the time and i can tell their are many similarities between jw and wmscog. Glad you are out 👍
Mystery schools of Babylon......
Glad you got out of that. Good job!
I had a friend (sort of) that invited me to a service. I went and spent the whole time standing my ground and debating a youth leader on their doctrines. I think I won 😂
How?
Bruh I was debating earlier now too
Good for you! My girlfriend is trying to get me to go into their bible study. I think Ill have some questions for them lol. idk how people fall for this stuff.
YHWH is the Heavenly Father the Creator the Father of the Messiah YHSWH aka Jesus aka Joshua.......
@@joshuabacon4564 ok? What of it?
It is very discouraging to know that this cult is operating still and at large. They pray to a different God! I was a part of this cult for months and thankfully was able to pull myself out.
God be Praised
Thank the Lord Jesus! He loves you so much to allow you to get out!!
They’re literally everywhere. This is one of many. I was radically saved about an month ago and the Holy Spirit has given me new eyes to see what I couldn’t before. Continue praying to Jesus to call more of his children home.
God pull you out.
its scary they are even in the Caribbean
I always pray that my mother, brother and his wife, and my sister will be able to realize and get out of WMSCOG-Church of God!
Hi , are you a fil? im a previous member of the said church and "tumiwalag" recently . i have few questions to ask
I will pray with you, IN JESUS NAME! Amen......believe. Much Love, Many Many Prayers......🕊🙏✝️✡️💖🙋♀️
I totally want to go to this church now. Has any of their leadership gotten caught twiddling kids yet?
@@daxbruce3491 no that's mainly a RC thing however you do know psychopaths and narsisists get to the top of all organisations and do nasty things because they have gained power. It's the same thing everywhere including the BBC in England. Trudeaus friends are known pedos. Epstien island for example. We have scandles in every county and in every country. Keep the world in perspective. These people are everywhere. Its disgusting no matter where it is but understand how they operate. Celebrities are heavily involved. Crissy tegan for example.
Are they still in the PH? I was recruited in the said church way back 2013 and thank God, I came to my senses so quickly. 😅
The fact that they're unwilling to share their material, and are so secretive about it is a MAJOR red flag... If a group can't be up front about their core teachings and don't want anyone outside the group to have access to those materials, turn and run in the opposite direction.
Humble yourself
Exactly, Eric. At that point, that's all you need to know about the group to protect yourself and your loved ones.
Its to protect its members and Satan is very clever!!! Christ Ahnsonghong is the Holy Spirit and he restored Passover only GOD can do that!!!
@@Keke-dg6qk There was never a need to restore the Passover, "For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed" (1 Corinthians 5:7). So, do you mean to suggest that there is a greater lamb of God than Jesus Christ himself (and I mean the Jesus Christ of the Bible, not your antichrist Ahnsonghong)?
@@Keke-dg6qk
The Jewish Passover was no more after Jesus became the _new_ Passover Lamb.
Peace
I am getting therapy now. I missed my first Tuesday and this looming fear came over me. I started therapy, blocked members. This is my first Saturday not going and I am glad. It’s a toxic environment.
@@AbundantlyBlessedByTruth checking in, how are you doing? Have you found people to support you?
I’m very proud of you, please keep going to therapy and focusing on your own health.❤
A few years ago I was working at a car dealership with a gentleman. I was new but all the other sales ppl could not stand this particular guy. I thought they were hating because he was the top seller every single month. (Im sure that played a role) but he and I bonded over Christ and I was starting to become his mentee at work.
Well one day he asked me to bible study and I agreed to go. He invited me to this house in a normal looking neighborhood but the house was completely empty inside.
He had said he was just moving but it was.....bone dry empty. So I already started feeling a bit weird. So I get there and hes cooking and theres only one other person there a young lady.
I was told she would be the one having bible study with me and no one else is was coming. So I was like haha okay...😅😅
Long story short she starts this bible study which is really more like a demonstration that I found eerily specific. Like said in the video, the scriptures were so out of context. The flipping to certain scriptures in order to prove what she was saying was so unsettling to me for some reason.
I let her go along with it until the end because well one I was alone in a house in a town I wasnt familiar with with people I didnt know. But once she was done I just nodded and said yeah wow this really interesting and then I left as quickly as possible. I will never forget thay experince though.
Thank GOD you're ok
@@home4life505 thank you so am I
Oh my goodness 😭. That is such a scary experience. God is faithful that he kept you safe and steadfast in your belief and faith. ✝️♥️
I had a guitar teacher when someone approached him with “Have you heard of mother god?” He said “Is that a band?”
Bruh 😩😂😂😂
Dead 🤣🤣
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Lamb of God man...Lamb of God 🤣🤣
Thats so funny!
Wow...so it's an organization that is led by a narcissist, that encourages narcissistic control tactics.
Shocking huh? government is just as bad of a cult as anything else. Mommy Religion or Daddy government both require control of perception and personnel.
I mean that is kind of the cult leader archetype lol
Well. I was just about to finally go to sleep but now I’ll listen to this 2hr video instead 🤣🤣 thanks Mike!
Me too 😂
Same!
Courtney Noel 😂
I was just about to write the same thing. Lol!
Same hrre.....Hurricane Sally whipping around us here in Mobile, Al right now⛈️⛈️🌀
Thanks Mke!😁
I swear this is the group that forcefully baptized a few students at my university years ago. At the time, there were girls who were going out in pairs trying to tell people about God the Mother all over our campus. It was hard finding info about them at the time, just had to use good old bible knowledge to figure out they weren’t on the right track.
Well the first god was a goddess so............
Yeah they don't worship a male dominator war god. So yeah, they don't worship YOUR god.
@@daxbruce3491 blasphemy
@@knowwisedome3981 I know right?
I still Love you.
They highly pressured me to baptize ASAP ; even after a few studies. If I didn’t attend the full sabbath or third day worship, they’d accuse me of being in the world and distracted from father and mother. They claim they “love you” yet if you leave the church you’ll never hear from that. Is that love ?
TY Mike for fulfilling Ephesians 5:11 which says "Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.
One of them approached my wife in a grocery store and I ended up rebuking that man in the name of Jesus. He's so decieved and even said he saw your video when I mentioned it.
They approached my daughter in law 4 months ago in a grocery store as well. I have never heard of this cult until then. Now my son and daughter in law are there every time the doors are open. Praying their eyes open soon that this is a cult and not of the Lord..
Mike leaves no stone unturned. He’s an awesome teacher.
No the Holy Spirit in him . Is the AWESOME teacher ..
@@theodoreritola7641 like the Bereans they studied hard and were commended for that. Some credit is due in my opinion. The glory goes to the Holy spirit.
Praise Jesus that people got saved out of this cult Praise Jesus
Praise to jesus that people got out of jesuses geoup*
Really. Thanks to Holy spirit..
Brooooo. Finally! I met some of these weird people at the mall. I debated them for 30 minutes lol they're weren't to happy.
@jm gee Hahaha, that is the most Chad thing I've read.
@jm gee - what did you say to them that they had an answer for everything?
To anyone in Arizona, beware if your friends and family go to Glendale Community College, they were constantly running around on campus approaching anyone they could
Yup... encountered 2 women at a downtown campus of my city many years ago. Being pretty solid, I instantly rebuffed them. They were tenacious. I stood my ground and ended the interaction.
I ran into them about 10 years ago at ASU. They asked me the question about the mother of God and I replied, oh you mean Mary who gave birth to Jesus and his brothers and sisters and then died right.? I never knew that I was approached by a cult until now. So be aware if you are around ASU.
had to come to this video after this lady came up to me on my campus trying to convince me to attend their bible studies 😭😭 i knew something about them was fishy
Last week members of this group came to my door. Thankfully they found my children equipped with the true word of God and never came back. My children gave them a hard time. I didn't know about this cult until my children asked me about "mother god" and eternal life, the research has lead me to this channel. Thanks from Uganda.
My dad has been a leader in this cult for years and years. It terrifies me and I pray for him constantly. If I ever get my hands on any of the books I’ll hook you up :) He lives in another country right now. I love him so much and it hurts knowing he won’t be in heaven with me if he doesn’t ever leave. If you could please keep both him and his wife who led him into it, in your prayers, thank you.
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I’ll pray for you! ❤️
Prayers for your dad and people in cult for their eyes to be opened to the Truth from bible. Amen.
heaven doesnt exist
God is amazing because I've been in contact and bible studies with a lady from this church. The things she teaches was new to me: keeping the Sabbath, observing the passover and mother god. I realised the Sabbath and the passover is good to keep but I felt pressure to keep them because she said it's the only way to get blessing and be saved. I cut her off for a few weeks because she stated telling me about the second coming and that didn't sit right with me. So I spent some time with God on my own through prayer and in the bible. I had questions about observing these and the importance if it. I came across verses that said we are saved by grace and faith believing in Jesus we are saved. Peter through the wisdom of God said the gentiles shouldn't carry the yoke his ancestors weren't able to carry but through faith we are saved. Then I come across this video today. Its only by His grace. I am completely cutting ties with this woman because all I need is God and building my relationship with Him and listening to His word!
Thank you for this video. God bless you
Three ladies approached me and told me the exact same thing! I told them that we're saved by Grace and there's nothing we can DO to be saved. I'm glad you searched for these answers in the Bible. We have to be vigilant.
@@Isabel-dm1gy I will indeed. Thanks sis.
thanks for this comment i was also thought the samething in order for me to be save i must do those things
YES! God bless
that's why the message of Apostle Paul to the Colossians is the sufficiency of Christ...any beliefs and ordinances added is just separating us from faith...
Heb.7:25 He(Jesus)is able also to save them to the "UTTERMOST" that come unto God by Him.
UTTERMOST=maximum, most, paramount,supreme,ultimate(Merriam-Webster)🙂
Wow! So much information! I actually live in South Korea right now, and the WMSCOG and Shincheonji are everywhere here. I appreciate this!
Can you do a video about Shincheonji Church of Jesus ? It’s also a cult originated in Korea. They are getting people to join their mystery “Bible study class”. A lot of people have been deceived. 😭😭😭
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ILJCN (Colossians 3:17),
This is how you can tell Truth from error:
James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures:
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind.
Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached.
Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones?
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It’s hard when you look for a good church and this cult takes you to “Bible study” and has you go into the Bible and read scriptures.and now through mike know that all their teaching were just bits of scriptures pieced together that we’re OUT OF CONTEXT…teach false teachings….I did honestly like HOW they teach about the Bible but wrong is wrong. ughh this sucks.thanks mike for all the information!… well now on to looking for a new church again.
Basically you’re saying that a TH-cam video is more reliable than a BIBLE (BIBLE) study? How ? How can you not think that sucks ? God is not on TH-cam, is on the Bible. ❤
@@luiscarloscastanedadelaros6045
Dude, the bible cannot self-interpret, agree?
_Somebody_ has to interpret it. This is where the problem starts.
For 2,000 years Christians agree that the bible says that there is only one God (who is 3 Persons). Even the Jewish people believe in one God.
Then wmscog (the new kid on the block) comes and says no, no, no...there is a god and a god-dess!
See what I mean?
So *_who_* you listen to determines where you finally end up with - for better or for worse. I think you have chosen the wrong 'person' to listen to. Prayers for you.
As someone desperate to find anything that brought me closer to God, I feel sad that this is what my commitment led to but glad I found out sooner than later (a couple of hrs after baptism to be exact and being exposed to the church study ways for a couple of days😂)
I've been a believer in Christianity since I was baptised as a baby but later fully experienced God's love at the age of 16. I turned to Christ and tried to live the life set out for me, obviously failing as known 😅.
At my current age of 21, I thought it would be best to commit my life more to God, thus open to anything "Christian" like sounding. I willingly went to their study sessions for five days for roughly an hr (a one on one with the pastor accompanied with the person who brought me to their church) and got baptised after I covered ten subjects. Being flooded with information and scriptures being picked out to back up their claims, it felt like the scripture was being used out of context but I didn't have the urge to test that as the pastor was speaking with such confidence. I had the feeling of, "wow I'm learning new things" things I did know (not everything taught) but because it was taught differently, I doubted what I learnt and fully committed to what I heard from the pastor. It was always followed by, "do you have any questions?" I never truly understood the saying, "I don't know what I don't know" until asked this question during studying of Subjects and topics.
They convinced me that to get into heaven; you had to be baptised as soon as possible, for tomorrow was unknown. As much as they backed this up with scripture, it didn't occur to me to stop and think about what I was getting myself baptised into. Thinking I was doing this all for the Glory of God and how this would further strengthen my bond with him, I was merely fooling myself. An hr after I was baptised, I had the urge to search this church up. A feeling to test its claims to be valid as it's teaching goes, the church of God is the only church that God will save because all the other churches didn't follow one of many, e.g. "Passover" teachings and how if they didn't do this, they would be essentially denied eternal life even though they believed in Jesus Christ. Etc etc.
I'm glad that God showed me this. May anyone desperate to be part of a community that teaches the bible commit themselves to the Bible first, as stated in this video, in Jesus mighty name. Amen.
I was taken by how accurate Mike would speak on the church of God members. Now, realising what I did not know and now know was the game changer for me, so thank you.
Hi Christine, I will pray for you right now that you do find a good church that God is working in and can use you in. Mike did one short video a while back on how to know if a church is good/Biblical title (how to choose a good church). I would check that out. And just searching for verses that talk about what good leaders are like and their qualifications and verses on the Church's role in the world.
Maybe you have already found a sound church truly following Jesus which is great. If not, please don't give up. You need to be gathering with other believers.
Hope my comment wasn't presumptuous. I just wanted to provide a little guidance and encouragement. I'm glad you didn't get caught up in that church you talked about.
Omg the EXACT same this happened to me!!! I was only apart of them for a few months doing studies, was baptized, went to ONE service and instantly knew this was a mistake. Granted I always had this voice in the back of my head telling me that this wasn’t right, especially when it came to mother God and the sending coming, but I had been doing studies for months before even learning this and was already in the belief that well I guess it’s true.
Of course that little voice was the Holy Spirit, but I can’t even express how uncomfortable that service was, it was horrible. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough haha, thank God he was with us and opened our eyes before we got too deep.
I encountered this group just yesterday, they use scripture out of context. Thank you for making this video to inform other people about this cult as much as possible. I came across to your channel finding way how i can answer their analogies. God bless you more.
My wife was approached by them about 10 years ago in Wilmington, NC. She said she would sit down with them if everyone agreed to only use the Bible as the source. They agreed, and then immediately pulled out another book and said that you have to use the new book as well. She said no thanks and left since they had agreed to only use the Bible.
I was in a cultish church and I am having flashbacks from watching this...
I'm glad I found this....I work with a girl who was explaining she believes all this stuff and now I understand why.
Good. GOD'S grace
Mike Winger: my superhero who causes insomnia!
Mike Winger, peddling Jesus and can't stop because he would have to get a different profession. I'll sponsor you whenever you are ready to deconvert from this Ceasarian religion. Most apologists have no way out of their financial trap.
3:35am.. and I'm watching this video.. lol
@@adamrollins9258 Adam Rollins, a guy who’s got nothing better to do with his time than attack people
@@adamrollins9258 Welcome, but may I ask - what brought you here?
You're still giving him views and comments.
Thanks for sharing this video Pastor Mike! I’m from Alberta, Canada and had an encounter with this group for the first time a few years ago at my University. I knew something was off, but never could find much about it online. Thanks so much for bringing this to the wide wide web!
Thank you so much Mike I literally was ambushed at the store by one of their members. It didn't take me long to precieve that this lady I was talking to was in a cult, I know my Bible so I was able to see it right away. I can see how a nominal believer or everyday person could be led atray by their muddled theology as you stated. Praying for this lady that I met will come to see the truth of Jesus
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Thanks! I Have these guys preaching Passover at my school. I pray they don’t get any of these people trapped.
I’m glad I found this content! I only had a few interactions with them but now I know the truth
To know the truth ,found channel of Jehovah the only organisation preaching the good news, abut the Kingdom,, All other fools abut the Kingdom,, Jesus his the head off the Kingdom , and the onotied his Brother, they going to be in haven,, to roll for a 1000 year,, That's the truth, and That's wate going to happen,, All other teaching is lieyer of Satin,, Remember Jesus is come from Jehovah God Almighty,, you dont billive Jesus hiw can you believe Jehovah,,
Lol so who else clicked on this video because they knocked on your door
My friend became one and today he invite me to bible study.
They have approached me on my campus 3 times, one time I even recognized them from trying to recruit me downtown from months before. Due to me not being extremely religious, I was just listening to their logic because of how harmless it seemed, but my girlfriend -- pure, honest christian -- kept yelling at me to get away. She is Korean from South Korea, so she warned me saying how common this stuff is and how crazy they are.
After seeing this content it is surreal to me how so many people get tricked because initally all they talk about is Jesus Christ and the bible, so you never question them. I wonder when it becomes too late for people to the point they feel like they have to stay?
My daughter is involved with this Cult. I am so happy to have found this!
I hope the Lord Jesus has opened her eyes . From this Cult
@@theodoreritola7641 Not yet but I keep praying. Thanks 🙏 and may the Lord bless you!
@@veronica-official And you as well And He will in His time Open her eyes .
My thought exactly ,,See you in Heaven. .
Sadly, most real Christians don't KNOW their Bibles. If you know your Bible, you will not fall into this mess.
YOUR FIRST VIDEO was great! and yes more people need to speak about this group... I was approached by two of their members at a University Campus in PE South Africa and i had never heard of them, it was shocking because i genuinely didn't know someone could misread and twist scripture LIKE THAT. So the scary thing is they started in Korea now are in Africa. I pray God guards all believers and that we get to know God so we can see the lies when they come this way.
Hie
I'm also from PE, I didn't know these guys are also here in PE.
I was approached yesterday 😅
Thank you for putting this content out here. My mother has been with this cult for years and our relationship has been severed because if them. She had called me the other day and got into a conversation about holidays. This time, I've completely drew the line once in for all when she told me that Jewish people deserved what happened to them and that what Hitler did was right. I'm not 100% sure what in the world they're teaching her, but when she said that, I want nothing to do with her anymore. I just don't have time for that kind of nonsense.
I’m so sorry about what happened to your mother, that sounds terrible! I had a few people approach me at the mall talking to me about this cult. Good thing I found this content! Hopefully your mother can be saved.
So sad.
@Sarah Alderman I gave up because I have too much on my plate including my kids. They come first, especially when she tells me that one of my children is Satan's work, I completely shut myself off from her emotionally. My mother, has a history of mental things going on (reason why she's in this cult in 1st place) that I've been cut and burned one too many times it gets to the point where our relationship just died. She's on her own. She does great at pushing people away.
@@JohnSmithAwesomeSauce55 Thank you. I don't know what will happen but hopefully she can find her own peace when it's time for her to go. She has a very long history of issues one pushing away people who tell her the truth about her mental issues. The one things that is positive about all this that um learning so much about what trauma can do to you and how to heal and move forward rather than stay stuck in victim mode. She's a perfect example of what NOT to do.
WHAT????????? I used to be into holocaust denial but after coming to Christ and entering the truth, it became so obvious that the things I thought I knew were so obviously false. Only the work of a demon could blind someone so heavily... Praying for your mother
Funny story: I heard about this mother God cult 5 years ago at my house. They came knocking and started talking to my bro about God. Then by the of the Holy Spirit, I can hear clearly what the person was saying to my bro on the second story on the opposite side of where they were. It was crazy, but I heard every word. It went against the gospel spoken by Paul and lived by Jesus. Any way, I came down and I started to talk with him. I listened, and as he presented the Bible, it was talking about mother God. Such nutty aspect. After getting into the Bible, he did not want to talk. Then he brought another person who was "the teacher." Then we spoke. Then the teacher started to get upset and left. Never say him or the group again. Thank God for Him stepping in for who knows what would havenhaooened with my brother.
Amen amen brother Paul.
I pray for them to see the truth
Good for you. GOD can use those Scriptures to convict and take those in bondage into freedom! Got a phone call from mormons once in the 90's. Wondering what I was doing? Was convicting some. They were losing team members. A doctor friend had called the mormons as a joke regarding me to win me to their side. So was having frequent visits. If GOD convicted me to do it, and HE did, I would look for the weaker missionary and ask GOD for Scripture to demonstrate TRUTH. TRUTH is so much more a reflection of GOD's LOVE than cult lies. GOD used HOLY BIBLE TRUTH to change lives caught in darkness. Of this I have no doubt! lucifer is busy these days deceiving those who do not take the time to learn about GOD in the HOLY BIBLE for themselves.
@Lilith Luna yes they may have some things unequal but thats because Paul was for the gentiles so he had slightly other rules for them
@Lilith Luna isnt it?
God has blessed Mike with a beautiful voice and a caring heart for others ❤ !
Ahhhhhh, yes! I was kind of sort of kidnapped by this group when I was living in South Korea 😂 It went from two middle aged ladies love bombing me and trying to help me go to Home Plus to get some cleaning supplies to me being whisked away on the other side of the city to their big church. They had me in a meeting room watching a video about how I should join the church and being asked to get baptized right then and there. It was quite the experience. I had just moved to South Korea, so I had no idea about this cult at all.
They are dangerous cult .. using force
I was approached by members of a cult (not sure if this one) outside of LotteMart in Jamsil. They are very aggressive and kept asking me if I lived alone in Korea, where I lived, and if I would come with them for a “traditional Korean ceremony”
I did NOT go with them!
Yeah they target foreigners who live in south korea...i went through the same thing when i lived there.
@@sunshine-db2zm you sold me, I'm joining their church.
Kidnapped .. 😆
“They’ll buy all of the books to prevent them from being spread”
I think I found a new way to get rich
you need to find some truth or evil that compels people to keep your word from others i doubt you got the goods baby lol
"For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all..." - Romans 6:9
"who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” - Acts 1:11
Jesus can only die ONCE. Did Ahsanghong die, get buried and not rise from the dead? The Lord Yeshua will return the same way He left, on the clouds... Not reborn like some buddhist reincarnation garbage....
I’m so grateful for this broadcast. A couple of years ago I moved to Virginia and we were in search of a church and some new friends. I ran into these people at Walmart and they invited me to a “Bible study”. I was so excited. After talking to the girl for a little bit, she mentioned that they were studying the female form of God an Quoted Galatian 4:26, Genesis 1:26-27 and others. My excitement quickly faded away when I heard about “god the mother.” She contacted me the next day and we had a very intense conversation about god the mother. I left her the address to my church and asked her to visit and look me up if she ever decided to investigate her church and needed someone to talk to.
Wow my son and I we just got baptized,how can I reverse that!!!
Thankyou for this. I was a member🖤 no one sewms to know much about this
I got approached by a member of that group in the mall once I had never heard of them before that. The person that approached me almost acted as if they were under some kind of spell I knew right away it was a cult, I prayed for that person later on, wish I had in that moment, proclaimed the truth of Jesus Christ to them.
Can only pray for him now.
Same thing happened to me. I tried to explain they were misinterpreting scripture but i didn't have enough understanding of breaking it down in context. I still don't know if i could answer appropiately today
Back in 2013 two guys in suits came up to me in a Barnes n noble and asked me if I had heard of mother God. I said no God is our Father, and they grabbed a Bible off the shelf and went to Galatians 4:26 which says Jerusalem is above which is the mother of us all (something like that). That’s the only verse they pointed out. They told me Christ had come back secretly and He was a woman who they could tell me how to meet if I wanted to join them.. apparently she was on Rutgers campus in New Brunswick NJ 😏 I pointed them to the script where it says Jesus will be coming on the clouds and His coming will be like the lightning which flashes in the east and is visible in the west so will the coming of the Son of man be.. They said it’s basically a metaphor. I don’t remember everything they or I said but it was enough that they got frustrated and left. They went down the escalator (we were on the top floor) and stared at me the whole time as they descended... super creepy. But I have never met anyone who had heard of this and I’ve never heard about it since!!!
Eastern Lightening! They believe Jesus is in a woman living in New York.They’re Chinese though. So many cults, hard to keep up!
I was eating in New Brunswick years ago and met two dudes from the cult tryna evangelize me! Interesting..guess they were active around Rutgers for a while. That was my first time hearing of this cult.
I encountered them at community college five years ago. They also said that the "let us make man in our image" was an implication of male and female, and not, you know, the Trinity.
The parrable of the "cloud" means flesh meaning when jesus said hed come by the cloud hed return in the flesh and the lighting usually means "gods words" or when god speaks, and basically that means jesus will return in the flesh and preach the gospel to the whole world "east to the west"
@@tarkatheotter6977 jesus will never be a woman only the bride of jesus is a woman
This cult came to my door once. When they spoke about a mother god I assumed they were speaking of Ashera. They were not....they soon walked away pretty quickly when I tried to ask more about who they were talking about.
Mother God is a real 80 year old woman hwang won-sun. They believe Jesus came already as ahnsahnghong. Yet he died. They say ascended. They use Elohim to say that that is father and mother. They are so far gone
I've had a couple of encounters with members of the WMSCOG. In one of them the guy told me straight up that context doesn't matter in Biblical interpretation. This video is so interesting to me though because I'm starting to realize that the church I'm with has so many of these cultish characteristics.
What church are you part of, if you don’t mind me asking?
@@tennisrockstar1 I was a member of the Local Churches associated with Witness Lee and Living Stream Ministry. Since I made that original comment I've left that group. I consider them a cult of personality.
@@danlin8662 Got it, I don't think I have heard of them. I hope you have found a new church home that is healthier in that respect.
@@tennisrockstar1 they're surprisingly obscure, especially for how big they are. I admit, I've become somewhat disillusioned to organized Christianity. I've been looking at the Baptist denomination. I don't know.
@@danlin8662 I understand, I came out of a major church last year, although mainly for doctrinal reasons. I think finding a smaller local church would be a good start, and remembering that no church is perfect, cause we arent. The church I am part of now is small and I believe has baptist roots although its not a major church like the one I was in before.
This came to me while watching this. You can have this idea if u have not thought of it. I love listening to your apologetic series. You have a couple (JWS, LDS, Passion Bible, Mother of God, and the Mark series.) Can u put these on DVD? You know, one topic per DVD? I would buy that. This way, if ur content did get taken off, you can do it this way and still get the word out. I love digital, however, as you know, we are being censored. Plus, this will help fund Bible thinker. This way we also have 2 options: hard copy and digital copy.
Underrated comment.
I miss Chuck Missler.
I totally agree with this!! That would be AWESOME if he starts making his teachings available off line!! 🙌🏼
Great idea!
You currently have 238 k subs. Exactly 100 k subs higher than when you made this video
We are in Greeley Colorado and My husband has had numerous discussions with people in this cult in Walmart, Safeway, etc.. at one point there were 6 arguing and then there was none. I always tell them I am praying for them.
This is really good stuff. I was approached by these people a couple of times a few years ago; one time I tried to counter how they used Scripture, the other time I just couldn't. The minute they said something about "Mother God" I knew it was going to be an absolute charlie foxtrot. I really loved the point about how more important than knowing exactly what the heretics believe is knowing what you believe and why you believe it.
Pastor Mike doesn't sleep At All, Love this guy
I appreciate this video about this cult!! I live in Texas and I didn’t know about this cult until they came to my apartment trying to “ evangelize “ me with their bad theology. Thank God I just knew their presentation of God as a woman was wrong but didn’t know how to argue against it . So this is a great ressource. Thanks you guys !!
I was.jusy approached the 1st time in the Merritt Island Mall in Merrite Island Florida....I didn't believe anything they were saying and kept asking questions they wouldn't answer but just kept going back to what they allready were saying....Im glad I looked into it and found your video so I know how to talk more with them if they approach me again
@ Great video. This particular group is growing quickly. We need to put the word out!
A few hours ago, my mom's older sister came and "evangelized" to my mom for the nth time. It seems that the group is in a hurry to evangelize because Passover is just two weeks away. I was just there in the background (cooking in the kitchen), listening and wondering if I needed to jump into the conversation to plant seeds of doubt into my aunt's mind. The conversation was starting to get heated so I decided to sit it out. My aunt didn't attempt to evangelize to me and my dad maybe because she knows we can deal with her evangelizing. She did talk to my grandma, though, inviting her to the annual Passover meal a few weeks from now.
I was a bit rattled as I was listening even though I knew what my aunt was saying was refutable, perhaps because she spoke so confidently and authoritatively. Thanks to you guys in this video, I got reminded once again how to deal with a situation like that.
I think you guys missed something important in this video. I think you should've also talked about what exactly they believe mankind need saving from. I may be wrong in my understanding, but I remember my aunt and his son telling me once a few years ago that our salvation was from the coming destruction of the world with fire. The only refuge is with their mother. I don't think they believe that we need salvation from sin ultimately.
ILJCN (Colossians 3:17),
This is how you can tell Truth from error:
James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures:
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind.
Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached.
Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones.
🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
@@miacrowe7133 Thank you. I've known, understood, and believed ever since I ran into the group for the first time that they are heretical, though.
Very hard to help people out of the dark when they love the darkness. So sad.
New Song "he has saved me" has been removed from the New Song books.
Because of Mike. 😢
Man, I can see why changes were made in the church.
My Relationship with god was ruined by this group. I Have never felt the trust I would need to let myself believe again.
The confusion I was left with at a young age has continued and lingers with me in my everyday life, my trust in people was damaged and I still find myself fighting my curiosity to go back to any religious beliefs.
Here in 2023 to say this group visited our apartment. It was pretty yuck. All verses were cherry picked - and then we asked them to leave after they asked if we knew that the Bible mentions God as a mother. It freaked me out that they were going door to door. I ended up looking them up and a church is 35 min away. Crazy.
These people approached me at Trader Joe's today. Was total Heresy! 2nd time they approached me. First time was in JCPENNEY and two women walked up to me asking if she could show me that God was a woman in the Bible. I said absolutely not! They walked away. Today at Trader Joe's, they stopped me and invited me to Bible study. I told them I study my Bible every day and just finished a One year chronological and starting a new study and didn't have time to add anything else. They persisted and invited me to celebrate Passover with them so I asked more questions because I thought maybe they were some kind of messianic church. Then they stated the Sabbath nonsense and told me Christians worship sun god on Sundays. Sounded like zeitgeist TH-cam video teachings from 2011. They tried to show me scriptures and everytime I quoted a scriptures that refuted what they were saying. Then they said something about god the mother and I asked her to repeat what she said because that phrase triggered my memory to the JCPenney experience. I told them no, the only worship of a mother was a queen of heaven and that was forbidden by God, so I wouldn't be interested in their Bible study. They persisted and I share Revelation 22:18-19 and they suddenly had to go say you have to come to a Bible study to understand. I said no thanks because God said let him who lacks wisdom ask of God, so I don't need them to teach me to understand the Word of God and neither do they. They didn't seem to like that.
Members of this group are increasing in my area, mostly young and nice people. I have been approached many times, in the beginning I just said you people are deceived, come back to the basic bible teachings because I wasn't fully equipped myself. I recently got approached again, thanks to your work, this time I know exactly how to refute respectfully. When I showed them Jeremiah 7:18-19, they ran away. However, I managed to say my final words for them to look at all the verses I shared for the sake of their salvation in Jesus Christ alone.
Joshua 23:11
Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the LORD your God.
These guys just knocked on my door lol. I told them I have a friend who goes to your church in Vegas. They wanted to talk to me about the pass over. I said no thank you. It got me watching this video now. I need to study my Bible more. I should have just showed them this video.
They wouldn't have watched it. Next time I get approached (been approached 3 times) I'm going to ask if they know who Mike Winger is.. lol I bet they do.
Who is Mike winger ? Is he a prophet ? Is he the second coming Christ ? Maybe I’ve missed a Bible verse.
I asked one of them "what is the Holy Spirit?". All he had to say is "it depends on the context". I repeated the question and he just couldn't answer, he had intimidated me the other time because he caught me off guard but this time I was prepared. I quickly told them about who the Holy spirit is to me and that it is the Spirit of God that guides us and fills us as Christians etc... But it's like speaking to a wall because everything is all about Context but they don't have and larger view understanding of what they are reading.
They break the Bible into millions of segments and interpret them individually which makes it lose all context.
Could say Catholicism is in the same boat
I used to be apart of the cult thank the Lord I got out. I asked for forgiveness and I believe God has forgiven me. I feel as if I need to do something more because I feel like I betrayed God. That feeling hurts. What else can I do to make things right?
Satan always tries to steal our joy in Christ. God has saved you! Rejoice!
Now go love God with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself.
Even myself have the same feeling. I took baptism too.. I want to go for baptism again. That is okay??
@@hemu333 If baptism at WMSCOG was your first baptism. Then for peace of mind and conscience I think it will be helpful to you as an act of personal consecration. Let the LORD lead you with that decision. I am certain He lead you out of there as an act of love and that you are secure in Christ. May the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you forever. Blessings!!
@@tunzj01 Thanks a lot for reply. I am so happy that I heard I am secured in CHRIST right after my fasting prayer completion. This is second baptism. But when wmscog korean pastor mentioned Ahnsanghang name while giving baptism, I told JESUS name only. I didn't takeout his name.
I just got approached for the 3rd time now. This time at a Target, but this was the first time when I said "I could never get on board with that bc there is no mother". That the girl seemed.. insulted. I was like sorry.. but there's not..
THANK YOU GUYS for tackling this cult and getting the word out - and for your fair, factual treatment of it. I was approached by 2 women in the grocery store late one evening and they cherry-picked 3-4 verses from the Bible and tried to build a case for a “hither-to hidden” new revelation in the Bible... but of course they didn’t lead with that. Their argument was obviously very much relying on my lack of familiarity with the Bible, especially prophecies in Revelation relating to Jerusalem and even the woman birthing the child (Israel and Christ)! Their opening statement to me was “have you ever heard anything about the female god of the Bible? I knew this was going to be some weird cult stuff, but no I had never heard that before so I engaged with them. They proceeded to present their 3-4 verses, out of context, with strange new interpretations that didn’t really connect clearly with one another (they begged for elaboration and additional study. Like a hook and bait). When I replied politely that I thought they were taking those verses out of context, and that actually this that and the other, that’s when they whipped out the line about “ah, yes, you would say that, but see we have a new revelation that has been hidden in the scriptures until now for the faithful. So now wouldn’t you be interested if God had something new to say to you?” Hmm... I believe scripture repeatedly warns us about false prophets, and those who would add to or alter God’s revealed Word! And is quite complete in itself in its current form. I told them no, I reject that idea based upon Scripture itself, and I wasn’t interested in hearing any more about a supposed new revelation that contradicted God’s Word.
Christian brothers and sisters, know the REAL truth so that you can identify false teaching when you hear or see it! Pray that the Holy Spirit would give you discernment. Study the Word and truth, and pursue closeness with others who also value and hold fast to it.
God bless you, gentlemen (creators of this video)!
They tried to grab me the same way and then we got tied up on the difference in Christianity of being under grace vs under the law. They kept trying to get in my personal space and that was the tipping point for me to end the conversation, which I regret because once I had about 5 minutes to calm down and talk to my parents I was able to find the verses that I wish I could have shared with them about the Good News of Jesus. They seemed genuinely taken back by the idea that we were no longer slaves to the law.
Hello, I was a a current member of the church but through God almighty and my good friend, I was shown the falseness of this doctrine and church and these videos helped. But to answer the question of the guy with hat on, yes they did say he was baptized in 1948 at the age of thirty aligned with Jesus Christ and his preaching at the age of thirty. They used this a further evidence that he is the second coming Christ. And they are very convincing in all of this too I might add. My fellow brothers and sisters please be careful if you are approached by them, they are very persuasive and if you’re not careful you’ll buy into like I did. God bless you all!❤️
I am a native citizen of Philippines. Somebody from that kind of religion invited me to join their bible study the moment i was on my way inside to a mall. They approach random people who would spend their time about their orientation. A member of the church is sending text messages and called me to join with them today. What should i do? Haha
Grey rock them... if that doesn’t work block them... may the Lord in Christ Jesus be with you!
Tell them that you don’t want anything to do with their false religion and that they need to be saved by the real Jesus
LMAO, I'm an ex-member (2013-2016) I bought like 8 books, a few small books when I left that cult, I planned to burn them, and what did I do instead?.......... Gave them to my Catholic Priest lol. game him a box with the books, my veil, everything that was bought or given to me by that cult I gave to my Priest.
Very interesting point about the group's lack of an online presence. I had an encounter with two members on my university campus a few years ago. I asked if they had some website or a pamphlet so I could look at it on my own. They stonewalled very strongly and would not give me anything.
I found a website but it is vague and general but they do explain the mother god part.
Wdym? There’s a lot of online content, go check it out 😃 there’s a lot more detailed explanations about God the Mother , sabbath, and many other topics that you prolly want to understand better.
I hope I'm not late by typing this, but Ps Mike i wish for you to hear this. "I once mentioned the name of Jesus in this church and they said Why am I mentioning His name." I'm a new member in this church. That just disturbed me.
You know I was part of the cult too... they really controlled my life like I had to sacrifice everything just tu be at the church but I didn’t mind it because I taught I was serving God in the truth but thanks God when I’ve seen this video I cried then left the cult and really had hard time finding new churches because of this cult God will Look at them at the end of the world
Don’t second guess yourself in your decision to leave. Don’t ever go back although you may Miss the connection with others. Wolves in sheep’s clothing to rob you of your freedom.
What’s happened to your religious life since then? Did you find a new church?
Just after my mother died, I was approached by a young woman asking me to join her bible study. She highlighted how important it was to celebrate the old testament feasts. I shared some of what I believed with her as well. I took her card and told her I would pray for her. When I got home I looked it up and found that they believed in God the mother. I never saw her again.
Had met some of these individuals at my own community college. I didn't realize how big this was getting at the time as this was back in 2013. They couldn't come up with enough of a logical theological basis to really sway me. They were pretty good at arguing points, but I was really well studied in the bible and what didnt sound biblical. I politely talked with them, but I left saying I did not see how they got that and walked away. That was the only time I ever saw anyone in that school talk about that.
Mike, your videos are so accurate. I attended this cult for two years, never went to any other church before it. Once I stopped learning new things in the church, I got bored and frustrated, and I thought it was just me. They do teach the same verses and chapters over and over. I am a lesbian, which is one of the main reasons I had issues with this church. Thank you guys for these videos. God bless.
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ILJCN (Colossians 3:17),
This is how you can tell Truth from error:
James 3:13-18 kjv in God's Holy Scriptures:
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
---------------------------
God is not about *violence, not about the "love of money" & not about *immorality of any kind.
Also, God is gentle, kind, long-suffering & *easy to be intreated/approached.
Notice the HUGE *difference between the "true God" and all the *false ones?
🤔💕🙏🙏✝️🕯️🦋
Pretty sure most people here & most churches would have a problem with an open lesbian being a worshiper of God among them
So you chose the Christmas churches, instead of the Passover church
I just had a
Bible study with one of the members yesterday. An hour long with so much Bible twisting. He walked away after an hour and said let's agree to disagree. He pulled out some of the big guns when I asked him to summarize the main issues for me, how do I get saved? He said get baptized in his church. I said I'm always baptized. He said most churches are pagan because they meet on Sundays. I said they don't have too, I've been to church meetings on Fridays Wednesdays and Saturdays. Early churches met everyday. In the end he brought to the conversation between Jesus and the rich man he's told to do the law to gain eternal life. And he closes the Bible. I said why don't we finish reading that story Jesus tells him to go sell everything and follow him, have you sold everything? He said what and walk around naked? Well how about your house, car, that briefcase you're carrying? In any case he walked away. Apparently, the law only applies to other people.
Did you end up selling everything so you can go to heaven?
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I have several family members in this WMSCOG. I sent your shorter video to them earlier today and they are really in this to the point of completely ignoring anything rational. I am getting bombarded with responses from them and It just blows me away that like you said you have heard from those who have left….they have no foundation but they make it sound convincing😢
About 1948 is not only about the age 30, but they emphasize that’s the year Israel was “reestablished” and a large study in the Fig Tree. Also I have some random content I’ll be sending you that’ll give move inside information :)
I can’t thank you enough for all of your videos information and words of encouragement, much needed for me as I’m still extremely uneasy and working on my relationship with Jesus who I know pulled me away from this false group.
Anyone in vegas want to help witness to them? As we draw closer to Jesus’s second coming, there will be more and more false prophets and cults and unfortunately only those who believe in Christ make it in, not those who believe in the fake “mother god”
That cult is rampant on Twitter - they post Bible verses, but then when you go to their websites listed on their twitter bios, it's all about the 'mother god'. It can be really difficult to talk to cult members about their wrong beliefs, so I am grateful for videos like this.
Lon Spector I am curious why? Sometimes God does save people out of cults . I agree to a point, sometimes their mind is made up- but we are called to evangelize as well. Do you think it’s better just to pray for them instead?
Twitter link?
@@elliotu9268 I've blocked them every time they spam DM'ed me, so I don't have a link. Google Church of the Almighty God/Eastern Lightning and you'll find them.
My goodness it was horrific to watch that on Dr.Phil. Horrific yo watch that little toddler screaming so hard to get away from her and putting the kid in the closet!!! with the parents letting all that happen!!!!! I just wanted to cry so hard watching that! She should be imprisoned!!
I ran into three gentlemen proclaiming the mother god... I had a fascinating conversation with them. It is true, they pull random verses together to show that there is a mother god. I stopped them and went back to their verses and made them read in context. Simply put they could not explain around context. Then I asked the most important question, what is to benefit from having a mother god. They responded, "just so much, so wonderful." Like what? "Oh she is just beautiful and peaceful." Again, what's the benefit? I read them the words of Jesus from John 3 and then the Baptism in Trinity, where is your mother god and how can she provide anything more than what God, Jesus and Spirit have already done and provided? They could not give an answer and unfortunately we parted on good terms but I never ran into them again.
Matthew 24:5 .... For many will come in my name saying, I am the Christ, and will mislead many. That's what WMSCOG is all about. Ahn Sahng Hong claiming to be Christ has decieved many.
Mike, you should do a video on a cult called Melquisedec-Lisbet, it´s kind of big in latinamerica and it´s pretty crazy
Yikes, I looked it up and from what I understand, the lady who is now the cult leader got sued by her own children when she took over all her husband's property after he died.
I won't even get into what they claim because I just can't believe anyone could buy into such a rediculous idea. Seriously.... how.
There are resources but they are all on their website or within the church building. Some things online are only accessible through the site with a password.
Thank you so much for this Mike! I had a lengthy interaction with this group at my former college in 2014. I had recently read through genesis and I got to School and I felt the Lord telling me to read revelation. So I sat in the quad and the moment I finish the book a guy comes up to me asking if I'm a Christian and then goes into the quick mother god script. We have a short conversation but the more I ask questions, and say things like "I thought 'made in Our image' was referring to the Trinity" he decides that he'd like to set up another time for us to talk so he can bring his leader to answer more of my questions. I happily oblige and think if he can bring his mentor, I can bring mine. So I invite my pastor to come along, but unfortunately he's busy and he says it seems like I'm handing it well. So I went to the meeting alone and was completely filled with the Holy Spirit. He was allowing me to quote scripture that I didn't even know I remembered. At the end I said I would think and pray about there interpretations if they would about mine. They agreed, and I sincerely hope they did. Either way, if they weren't able to take anything away from that conversation I know the Lord has certainly used it to bless me.
The irony the “members” in this church shouldn’t even be in comment section defending wsmcog as it’s forbidden for them to be on the internet at least regarding research on the church so if they are in the comment section it’s a “sin”