As a church musician of 15 years I can say I absolutely would not be in a church band with musician who prides himself in being gay and has no desire change. I also wouldnt be in a church band, knowing most of the married guys are sleeping with other women. Also i wouldnt be a musician at a church where the pastor is lives a lifestyle I dont agree with. Im not perfect, but I do hold myself to a standard.
Every sin is in the church not just homosexuality, that most leaders don't address nor speak about on the pulpit because they may be doing it themselves behind closed doors. It's always homosexuality that's being condemned in the church, and many ministers are living secret, double lifestyles, and are engaging in homosexuality as well. So, it's not just the homosexual musicians and the choir director. It's the pastors too.
its one thing for there to be secret sin, that on one knows about - God can and will deal with that. Remember the OT priests entering the HoH on a rope or the H/Spirit killing Ananias. But when we know, and excuse it (every body's doing it) we become responsible and partakers of that sin as well. When Peter realised the Saphhira was lying, it was he Peter that prounounced judgement/death upon her. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hand of God @@slimdude2011
@@slimdude2011: While this is true, it still doesn’t dismiss the open sins that are permitted within a church. You will never find a perfect human but YOU will find churches that still strive to live holy from the head down to the lay members. I speak from experience.
Neither is correct. All should be addressed in a congregation. There are still biblical standards. If a pastor is proven to be doing illicit things, he should be removed. The same holds true for musicians and any other leadership position who are involved in illicit activities. It does not matter if it's gambling, drunkeness, homosexuality, or sleeping with half the church. They fall under the same umbrella of sin. A little leaven leavens the whole lump....
SORRY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR ANSWER. BECAUSE TWO WRONGS DON"T MAKE A RIGHT. BE IT PASTOR, MUSICIANS OR MEMBERS. IT IS WRONG TO OPENLY CELEBRATE SIN...PERIOD. OTHER SEXUAL SINS OFTEN FEEL SHAME WHEN DISCOVERED, BUT NOT SO WITH GAYS. THEY LOVE TO OPENLY DISPLAY THEIR SINFUL BEHAVIOR... BUT IF ALLOWED TO LEAD THEN GAY LEADERS NEED TO KEEP THEIR SEXUALITY PRIVATE AND NOT OPENLY OBVIOUS... I CAN TELL THAT YOU ARE A GOD FEARING MAN. PLEASE RETHINK YOUR FINAL ANSWER! AMEN!!!
Great video. The Bible says He's coming back for a Church without spot or wrinkle. The aim should be to surrender and serve. God calls believer to be set apart and to be a light. We all struggle but that's not a license to live wrong
Bottom line is if a person who is in authority is openly doing their sin they should sit down and pray to God for what their doing and not do anything in church - bible speaks for itself
I’m out! There is no place for any sexual immorality! fornication, infidelity, and definitely not homosexuality which the Bible calls abominable! There are certainly people in the music department that struggle with their sexuality but to allow open homosexuality is an emphatic NO!
Any person living OPENLY in sin should BE REMOVED from their position until that sin is corrected...... PERIOD! From the Pastor..... down to the lay person. We can't address what we don't know. But when it's discovered..... it needs to be dealt with swiftly. The church does NOT belong to us. It's Christ's! We represent Jesus and HIS kingdom. We will give an account to whoever we cause to stumble because of our behavior.
I’m sorry you’re doing all this Expose stuff and I can’t help but wonder who you are fornicating with. And of course that’s none of my business and I’m not asking for names, but I find that people who like to tell all of this stuff themselves in a certain elevated position or doing the same things on the low. If you’re not doing it, I’m sorry that it seems like I’m accusing you I’m out of line but if you’re single man and not married, I gotta ask you are yo Some of it or are you pursuing that it seems to me is the only alternative for single man of God and I can tell you from personal experience. It’s one of the hardest and most fulfilling things you can do
I said in a previous post that I thankfully had the opportunity to have a pastor who owns this TRUTH. This Pastor was adamant about the worship being wholly and demanded holiness from anyone who ministered. If you weren’t living, holy, you are promptly and unceremoniously removed from your position. I saw this happen to prominent people in the church, and this pastor will never know how much that impressed me.
I remember talking to a gay friend whose husband was the organist (full baroque pipe organ) at a Lutheran church. I asked him how the LCMS allowed him to do that. “Where are you going to find a straight organist?”
I disagree with this. The fellowship of believers is for the edification and encouragement of people who share the same beliefs. When we go out and live our lives in the world, we take the spirit with us to hopefully be a light and bring others into the fellowship. I am not saying that sinners can't come to church, but they shouldn't be comfortable remaining in their sinful state week after week, year after year. At some point, they should want to change. If I visited a fellowship of Satanists, I would be uncomfortable. I don't share their beliefs so after a time, I am either going to change and accept the beliefs or move on. They aren't going to allow me to become a music leader knowing that I don't uphold their values.
"When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and `sinners'?" On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: `I desire mercy, not sacrifice." Plain talk for plain folk.
Some of the Greatest Gospel Songs were written by Gay Artists..I found this out after I grew up though..The Songs are still Beautiful .....Only God can change People ..
Being a gay man is so despicable to God and such a serious sin it's one of the few sins He calls for their death. If you accept and approve of gay men into your life then you are accepting sin into your life. The Bible Leviticus 20:13 King James Version 13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Branding homosexuality as a "sin" is something stone-age tribes used to do. The idea was that if you could keep gay people from having gay sex, then they would probably just be having straight sex like everybody else - meaning that there would be _more children born to the tribe._ And with the threat of war with other tribes constantly looming, strength in *numbers* was more important than anything else. However, in our modern *overpopulated* world, allowing those who are born gay to *live* as gay might actually be what saves us all from a global catastrophe. God created gay people for a reason. Respect it and respect *them.*
Being a gay man is so despicable to God and such a serious sin it's one of the few sins He calls for their death. If you accept and approve of gay men into your life then you are accepting sin into your life. The Bible Leviticus 20:13 King James Version 13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
If you’re giving advice to musicians in general then we understand your answer should be what works from your experience. But If you’re advice is for church musicians your answer should really be from the Bible . Not what u think.
Hmmm, ok... So what scripture or scriptures would you recommend that I go to in the bible that directly or indirectly talks about whether we should allow gay musicians to play or lead in churches??? I'll wait...
I hope this helps. It helped me. I think it all starts with being able to recognize "sin" and "living in sin". Two totally different things. If you wake up today and get in your car and somebody cut you off while you're driving and you give them the finger or cuss at them, you have sinned and need to repent and get that right with God. You didn't wake up that morning planning on doing that. When you are living in homosexuality you are waking up every day and that is a part of your lifestyle. Nobody is perfect and we sin whether consciously or subconsciously every day but there is a difference between sinning and living in sin. Again, I hope this helps. For we are all sinners Saved By God's grace. God bless 🙌🏽
@@isaaccarter8487 I appreciate you trying to explain this concept. However, it's something I have heard before and it makes no sense. It doesn't describe any fundamental difference between sin and living in sin. Here's why... In your example, the person who cusses the person out who cuts them off in traffic has committed a sin.. Ok, but then the next day he cusses someone out at his job, and the day after that he cusses out is wife. Let's say he has this pattern for cussing people out an entire year. This means that this person is living in sin, right? Now, you have to apply this to all other things that are considered sins too. You lie all the time, you hold envy and jealousy all the time, you lust after every woman that you think is attractive all the time, etc. You are living in sin. And these are things people do every day! So you would have to say that both the gay person and the person who cusses people out in your example are living in sin. So if we are going to say that gay people are living in sin and hold them accountable, then it needs to be the exact same thing with people who commit other sins repeativinely. Gay musicians can't play in churches, then neither can people who cuss others out all the time
@@TerenceFisher1 1 Cor 9 is one to look at. I know it doesn’t directly say whether they should or shouldn’t be musicians but it does talk about every one of those sins you mentioned (inc the corrupt pastor you mentioned). If the whole department/s have to be stripped down then so be it. What we can’t do is say because other people are allowed to get away with their sin, then others should too. That’s very dangerous!
@@TerenceFisher1 Blessings brother. Your premise is absolutely correct. All people living in sin continually and recklessly with no regard should not be serving in ministry. No matter what the sin is
I think God that I had a Pastor, who now went to be with the Lord, who felt that the church was a place for broken people. And her door was open 24 seven for Prayer for support, moral and financial and for instruction. She was a nurturer, but more than that she was a WORSHIP ER. That’s how she categorized herself. She felt no worship was secret and that nothing should taint soil or make a mockery of that because the worship belong to God, it was something that was forHIM and to offer him something and worship in music that was tainted and compromising was a kin to offering strange fire to the Lord, which he did not accept. To her credit, I saw her sit down a lot of people until they got their lives together. In areas that they were adamant about living in. If you were having a legitimate struggle, she would excuse you from doing the worship temple rarely and check on you at work with you to get that thing settled. I taken a long time to say this because it’s so important to me is so crucial to the body. This is what should be done and I’m glad that was under ministry wear a pastor took this seriously
Great video! I knew pastors that would sit you down if you were out of order in any capacity. If we are to make disciples then we need to teach. If we truly love like Christ, we don’t leave people where they are but show them the more excellent way. It’s not about who is doing the same thing or seemingly getting away with a sin or sins. It’s about what is the way that Christ would have us be or what would he want us to teach to his disciples. Peace and blessings!
I remember my pastor putting a minister of music on blast from the pulpit for getting an unmarried choir member pregnant. He informed us that he fired the guy because "that type of behavior is not tolerated from church leaders in [that] church." Some churches have standards and good leadership.
Gays have always been in the church this is nothing new. Frankly they make the best choir directors. I love them . Any church that says they don't belong in my opinion is wrong. They do their job and they are serious about . Just because they are Gay, does not mean they want your son or grandson
Being a gay man is so despicable to God and such a serious sin it's one of the few sins He calls for their death. If you accept and approve of gay men into your life then you are accepting sin into your life. The Bible Leviticus 20:13 King James Version 13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
That Peter Poppoff story pisses me off! Because why is BET still allowing his commercials!! To the black community at that! It just makes me so angry!!😠 😠
Zig ziglar once told a story about a man who told him 'i don't go to church because its full of hypocrites: To which zig ziglar replied 'that's ok ..we have room for one more!'
It really doesn’t matter what “we” allow bc “we” aren’t the final authority on the matter … scripture is clear, rather man follows it or not …sin is sin and there is never justification for it … no matter who is doing the sinning regardless of title, office , or rank ….
Sin is sin, regardless of a person's position in the church or lack thereof. God doesn't show favoritism towards anyone, and the church should follow suit. It's easy to point fingers and assign blame, but we should lovingly correct each other according to God's word (Matthew 18:15-17). The actions of one bad person shouldn't be allowed to destroy the good that's being done for God's kingdom. We should all strive to uphold God's standards, as outlined in the Bible, and deal with sinful behavior according to those guidelines. Let's not shrink away from our responsibility to do what God has called us to do regarding rebuking someone for sinful behavior.
Hello Terence! I enjoy your commentaries. I understand your position of being fair, and allowing gay’s to play in the church band. However, the church is supposed to represent God, so it would seem that any person intentionally living a life that conflicts with his concepts, and precepts should not be allowed to serve in the band, or any church auxiliary.
I completely understand your points, but is very simple the word of God can’t be change or twisted to full field ourselves weakness and desires,non of those called pastors should be doing what they do, and that will include any one that have any position in a church is very simple not only musicians or any other responsibility should be granted as a líder it didn’t matter what position is . We help through and with the word of God not by our feelings very simple. Blessings great video.
he was sarcastic in saying they should be allowed. the point is if other open sins are allowed to go unchecked then what is the point of singling one out.
Terrence is always on point! And ,what class he has. What church person will ever admit their own faults, but use it to show the hypocrisy. It takes a lot to say, I was wrong. I have observed all this foolish hypocrisy for all my church life. Yep! You may gt a new musician, but no one is kicking their golden mouth preacher out even if they know he's sleeping with a fourth of the congregation and half the town. That is a practical reason that the titles Reverend and Father never made sense, because in essence you are saying something about these men that is not warranted. Jesus said not to call people these titles for a reason. He said what he said and meant what he said. P.S. I guess no one wants to talk about kicking out the heterosexual musician either. Well then, we are the maestros. :)
You can never condone sin. God has told us how we ought live. You can never condone under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE REGARDLESS OF WHO IS SINNING... That goes for EVERYONE FROM THE PULPIT TO THE DOOR!
Had one pastor put it this way. He said, he had no problems with gay folk coming to church. They were welcome to attend the services. In order to get the word. But.....they would not be on the pulpit. That goes for the choir or playing any instruments. I respected this man, so much for taking a stance. Every other sin, has to be addressed. Except the sin of homosexuality? How is it, that this sin is EXEMPT?
Homosexuality exempt from scrutiny?? You can't possibly be serious?? 😂 In American churches, homosexuality is the * ONLY * sin that the church condemns by name. All other sins are tolerated and swept under the rug, as long as you know how to play church.
I'm confidently saying no, however, I do believe that if the church took all the energy it puts into lgbtiqfkw into say solving the massive inner city murder problem, we would all be a lot better off
I'm 50 years in on all genre's of drumming. Did the worship band thing, but not anymore. I always struggled with it's elevated place in churches. It's become a major idol and dare I say even a cult within the church. It's a huge resource bleeder, on and on. I now attend a little church with just a piano and organ neither which are played at the same time. The music is back where it belongs... Way in the background hardly noticed as a thin layer under girding the rich message of the songs. Pure peace and bliss with no distractions and noise.
6:29 You hit the nail right on the head. That’s another issue in some church cultures. Single men, especially new members, sometimes don’t really feel welcomed in the church because the perception is that we are either gay or something else is wrong with us, and the single women are already pre-programmed into hypergamy by the Pastor or peer pressure. Or as you said, these ladies looking to the Pastor to seek their advice and consent for them to date someone else.
You're giving an answer of the public preference not God's. It shouldn't matter what many churches allow, We, as followers of Christ, should not give into ANY ways of the world as hard as it may personally be to have our own sins. Psalms 73! Don't get caught up in what someone else is seeming to get away with. Stand strong and don't slip. If you do then remember to run back and pray for strength and forgiveness and don't return.
Why do we fight about a fictional book that should be read and understood that way... Then nobody would care about your sexuality but your experience as a musician, for example.
I’m not a musician. However, I love and appreciate truth. God has called His people to be holy and acceptable!!! It is egregious and sad that we have gotten to this place. Wealth and selfishness has overcome a great number of the churches to the point where it is nearly impossible to find a good one with a good pastor. Don’t get me wrong, I am not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and it is Holiness or Nothing for me. I thank you for creating a channel that creates a space to discuss these topics. Be blessed man of God and the people of God🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽.
Once in a church I grew up in a minister of music that replaced a retired minister of music was let go because the choir didn't like his music choice which were traditional hymns dating back to the reformation and Martin Luther
No sin should be an excuse to another sin. Unfortunately, church these days, no matter which one, are normalizing LIVING IN SIN as if our nature were something unbreakable and Jesus MUST accepct us without changes. We should pray and BE THE CHURCH WE WANT.
you missed the point. he’s saying that because we ARW allowing 1,2,3 then let’s just go ahead and allow 4,5, and 6 too. because we aren’t doing anything about it regardless so who are we to “draw the line” when we are already so deep in the mess
In Isaiah 14:12-15, Lucifer says, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High". Some interpret this as Satan wanting to be like God
“we allow this so lets allow that too” is the wrong approach bro. and i love your videos but we should talk about this personally you and I. your a cool dude and very reasonable im open to talking about this with you directly.
I think that is world wisdom. Just because some church people allow it, doesn’t necessarily mean we should allow it for the musicians, wrong is wrong, not saying some of these pastors should still be preaching either…
I must disagree respectfully. “Gay activity” and touching little/young boys are not synonymous. What you are describing is pedophiliac behavior, and to describe pedophiliac actions as “gay activity,” is messed up and irresponsible. Being openly gay in worship leader positions is not what creates the problem, people being bad human beings create the problem and not being checked on that. I speak from experience. I’ve known and still do a couple openly gay church and musician leaders and they have significant others or some live by themselves and have never done anything out of line. The children around them have never showed signs of discomfort around them and trust, the places they reside take that seriously. One of the few times something scandalous happened, I remember the head minister, who is straight, absolutely got fired for sexual misconduct. If the church spent more time ridding the churches of people who actually are using the building, its people, and the word as a shield all of their nefarious doings, instead of judging what is absolutely no one’s business nor should be a tarnish on one’s character, this wouldn’t be a conversation.
Being a gay man is so despicable to God and such a serious sin it's one of the few sins He calls for their death. If you accept and approve of gay men into your life then you are accepting sin into your life. The Bible Leviticus 20:13 King James Version 13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
This is the realest point of view I've heard on the subject. All of it is wrong period. Sin is sin. BUT if you allow any of it then why are certain things pinpointed?
God's standards should never be compromised when It comes to being of good standing for church leaders, teachers & musicians. To do so just undermines God's very presents at the church to the point where the Holy Spirit is absent from the church & so it is just operating at a worldly level.
No one who is active in a sinful life should hold any position in the church it really shows that the church that allows this is not standing firmly to God's word and are weak Christians.
7:52 I have seen things like this in music ministry, and then religion which caused me to deconstruct from religion. I don’t hate people in religion, but I hate the double standards, especially how they treat LGBTQ people we are human, and we love God just as much 8:26
When you are made aware of The Truth and no longer in lack of understanding of what appears to be...expose it or you simply become a part, of the problem ... only Wanting to benefit by growing your channel as the singers and pastors you referenced to grow your numbers as they are doing.God will spue you out of His mouth
None of our "opinions" matter when it comes to what GOD has established and allowed to be laid out in HIS WORD. (THE BIBLE) We all can say what we think or feel all we want. None of it will matter AT ALL when it's our turn to face God's judgment! We really need to get out of our own thoughts and feelings and SOLELY align ourselves with what GOD has already established to be truth. I truly don't think God is going to ask us about our "opinions"when it comes to this or ANY matter that He's already clearly laid out for us to follow and obey in His Word. (The Bible)
The answer is always no! None of this should be allowed. Just because many churches are hypocritical does not mean we lower the absoluteness of the standard for holiness.
They used to sit people down and sometimes silence them when I was younger. Not saying I'd want that to happen now, but that does show the difference between the times. Just imagine, about 20 years ago, people lost their minds when Carlton Pearson stated his belief change. Now, this are a lot worse, if you ask me.
My brother in Christ, I haven’t gone to a single church where they did not have a gay person in the ministry. Everybody knew, but at the same time, they didn’t sell that person out just to appease the world. Will people have their opinions and personal interpretations about the word when it comes to the LGBTQIA+ community, of course they will. But at the same time, we are commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. Jesus said that is the most important commandment next to loving the Lord our God with our heart, mind and soul. Which means the “love the sinner, hate the sin” quote erroneous because how can one love when hate exists in their heart?
When they're flaming and flamboyant I can't deal with it and I'm a gay masculine acting man who has chosen celibacy because I cannot reconcile sex between men with scripture. On marriage it is One Man and One Woman and nothing in between. If it's wrong when heterosexual men go to strip bars and calling himself a Christian, then it's also wrong for gay men to be hanging around gay bars and doing gay pride day.
The fact the pastor is providing false prophecy is one of the main reasons for the things that occurred and not put into proper context and handled properly. Attraction is a given. People are going to be attracted to the opposite sex especially, if they are single. I can appreciate the creator of this channel being transparent and exposing himself and others wrong doing to help others understand what false church leadership looks like, the pitfalls of allowing sin to run wild and not putting biblical principles in place to correct the things that were going on.
I like how you say church people choose who's going to be right and who's going to be wrong and based all on their preferences. But what I find extremely uncanny is how this type of behaviour obtained throughout the church world. Its like studing a manual.
99% of people I know are either living in sexual sin, or were until they happened to sign up for the loophole of marriage. That's not an excuse. I'm not saying it's great... but it's odd that homosexuality is the only sexual sin that anyone seems to worry about.
@@bill2066 if that's true, that is fantastic for you. But the fact that you mentioned the alphabet makes me think you're only looking at LGBTQ+, etc etc... that is a limited population. If you start factoring in casual heterosexual relationships, anything beyond the ordinary even within marriage (oral, etc), masturbation... the number of people who could honestly be up on that stage would dwindle to almost nothing.
As a South African ..this one may be going over my head...BUT, is the option or idea of using the bible as a foundation of ones faith... and not the actions of man...EVER CONSIDERED
No one who willingly is living in a sin without repenting and purposefully lives that lifestyle should be allowed to serve in any leadership roll on the church. We all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God but to downright disobey and continue in that life of sin goes without a second thought and must be removed immediately from their leadership position. They Word is 100% clear. That’s not to say they can’t repent and get right with God, but there is only one way and his name is the son Jesus Christ!!
Well first of all, pray and let God show you and pick your mate. The bible says - do not put confidence in man. Trust and have faith in the LORD. He knows all, and He know who's right and who's wrong for you because, He knows their heart.
None of it happens in the churches I am personally familar with …. Any questions about “gay” behavior should be addressed by what is written in the Bible. And that is VERY clear.
Yes! Anyone practicing sin should be sat down, no matter the sin. Any preacher caught up in sexual sins, stealing or worse, is Biblically unqualified to ever be in leadership again. They're disqualified.
not sure if I caught your reasoning, but if I did it has holes in it. Are you saying that if you are shot once then its okay to be shot again? If given the option, I prefer to be dealt one blow, attend to the injury and work my way back to full recovery rather than being dealt several blows as this will reduce my odds of surviving. ANY type of wrong should be ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY and not become a gateway or an excuse for another.
This is funny because I'm pretty sure in the comments everyone is saying no, but that doesn't stop their musicians in the church sleeping with everyone and causing broken homes but y'all not ready for that conversation😂 Is the hypocrisy for me
At what point does it stop being church and starts being a social club? I think you could qualify your statement. Not every church has strayed this much...
Nobody is perfect of course and we all fall short. It’s interesting to me the tendency of people to pick and choose the sin they want to call out. If the wages of sin are death, then all sin is equal, but people assign different values to different sins, and then designate it as worse when it’s “out in the open” because people are worried more about vanity than the heart. Seems like the church and industries associated has added an 11th commandment for the people with something to offer that benefits them. “Do what you want, but don’t get caught and make us look bad” They’d rather have the one who boasts a public appearance of holiness but a private life full of darkness, than they would the transparent one who is open about their shortcomings but is still in honest pursuit of God. Just the way it is.
But come on with everybody in the church, regardless of gender identity. Everyone has something that they’re dealing with, and has some type of human desire for another person, and I think religion has clouded our mind about the fact that we are human, and we have natural desires, which are natural, but not wrong.
GOD wouldn't be GOD of no one was Holy. Just like he told Elijah when he thought he was the only one left serving God " GOD said: I have 7,000 who has never bowed a knee to Bel. Now as for the counterfeits on the Altar of God. They will be brought low! Every high thing is coming down!
As a church musician of 15 years I can say I absolutely would not be in a church band with musician who prides himself in being gay and has no desire change. I also wouldnt be in a church band, knowing most of the married guys are sleeping with other women. Also i wouldnt be a musician at a church where the pastor is lives a lifestyle I dont agree with. Im not perfect, but I do hold myself to a standard.
Every sin is in the church not just homosexuality, that most leaders don't address nor speak about on the pulpit because they may be doing it themselves behind closed doors. It's always homosexuality that's being condemned in the church, and many ministers are living secret, double lifestyles, and are engaging in homosexuality as well. So, it's not just the homosexual musicians and the choir director. It's the pastors too.
its one thing for there to be secret sin, that on one knows about - God can and will deal with that. Remember the OT priests entering the HoH on a rope or the H/Spirit killing Ananias.
But when we know, and excuse it (every body's doing it) we become responsible and partakers of that sin as well. When Peter realised the Saphhira was lying, it was he Peter that prounounced judgement/death upon her. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hand of God
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Xactly my friend....
@@slimdude2011: While this is true, it still doesn’t dismiss the open sins that are permitted within a church. You will never find a perfect human but YOU will find churches that still strive to live holy from the head down to the lay members. I speak from experience.
Much respect these are biblical standard
Neither is correct. All should be addressed in a congregation. There are still biblical standards. If a pastor is proven to be doing illicit things, he should be removed. The same holds true for musicians and any other leadership position who are involved in illicit activities. It does not matter if it's gambling, drunkeness, homosexuality, or sleeping with half the church. They fall under the same umbrella of sin. A little leaven leavens the whole lump....
Amen!
SORRY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR ANSWER. BECAUSE TWO WRONGS DON"T MAKE A RIGHT. BE IT PASTOR, MUSICIANS OR MEMBERS. IT IS WRONG TO OPENLY CELEBRATE SIN...PERIOD. OTHER SEXUAL SINS OFTEN FEEL SHAME WHEN DISCOVERED, BUT NOT SO WITH GAYS. THEY LOVE TO OPENLY DISPLAY THEIR SINFUL BEHAVIOR... BUT IF ALLOWED TO LEAD THEN GAY LEADERS NEED TO KEEP THEIR SEXUALITY PRIVATE AND NOT OPENLY OBVIOUS... I CAN TELL THAT YOU ARE A GOD FEARING MAN. PLEASE RETHINK YOUR FINAL ANSWER! AMEN!!!
"gambling, drunkeness, homosexuality" Poor you. Youre sooo lost. Have NOT a single clue what GOD is about. Dumb people.
In life we have Laws,in games there are rules,in scriptures we have righteousness in Christ no sin should be allowed WWJD
AAAAAAAAMEN!!!!!!!
God word NEVER changes it is the same yesterday today & for ever more, we all go to church 5o change not to change the word of God.
A simple google search will adjust your statement. 🤦🏾♂️
Really? He used to make me not eat meat on Friday and later he changed his mind and now I do not have to eat fish sticks on Friday unless I want to!!
@@badtweed2087 Where in The Bible does God say that?
Great video. The Bible says He's coming back for a Church without spot or wrinkle. The aim should be to surrender and serve. God calls believer to be set apart and to be a light. We all struggle but that's not a license to live wrong
Bottom line is if a person who is in authority is openly doing their sin they should sit down and pray to God for what their doing and not do anything in church - bible speaks for itself
I’m out! There is no place for any sexual immorality! fornication, infidelity, and definitely not homosexuality which the Bible calls abominable! There are certainly people in the music department that struggle with their sexuality but to allow open homosexuality is an emphatic NO!
You are wrong
People are gay, steven. Deal with it
Any person living OPENLY in sin should BE REMOVED from their position until that sin is corrected...... PERIOD! From the Pastor..... down to the lay person. We can't address what we don't know. But when it's discovered..... it needs to be dealt with swiftly. The church does NOT belong to us. It's Christ's! We represent Jesus and HIS kingdom. We will give an account to whoever we cause to stumble because of our behavior.
GOD does deal with it. That's why a lot of them leave this world publicly humiliated.
I’m sorry you’re doing all this Expose stuff and I can’t help but wonder who you are fornicating with. And of course that’s none of my business and I’m not asking for names, but I find that people who like to tell all of this stuff themselves in a certain elevated position or doing the same things on the low. If you’re not doing it, I’m sorry that it seems like I’m accusing you I’m out of line but if you’re single man and not married, I gotta ask you are yo Some of it or are you pursuing that it seems to me is the only alternative for single man of God and I can tell you from personal experience. It’s one of the hardest and most fulfilling things you can do
I said in a previous post that I thankfully had the opportunity to have a pastor who owns this TRUTH. This Pastor was adamant about the worship being wholly and demanded holiness from anyone who ministered. If you weren’t living, holy, you are promptly and unceremoniously removed from your position. I saw this happen to prominent people in the church, and this pastor will never know how much that impressed me.
BEST COMMENT!
Yet so many of you are supporting Trump!!!!! Not gay but he has many sins including covorting with a porn star.
I remember talking to a gay friend whose husband was the organist (full baroque pipe organ) at a Lutheran church. I asked him how the LCMS allowed him to do that.
“Where are you going to find a straight organist?”
Eheheh good one.
This channel is valuable to us. Please, continue posting, Brother. Shalom.
Terrence your channel is already the most valuable resource for me as a musician/performer
But not as a follower of Christ?
The only "sin" the church cares about these days is failure to tithe.
They only care about the tithe- getting that paper.
Truer words have never been spoken. As long as they make or get money, then they don’t care
Wow! That’s so accurate!
And that's not even a sin
BINGO ! WOW 👏 👌 DEAD ACCURATE
This has been going on for years!
Churches aren't resorts for the Holy....they are hospitals for sinners.
A lot of them are morgues
The sinners should not be in leadership positions if they are actively, repetitively, and intentionally sinning. The Word is clear on this.
I disagree with this. The fellowship of believers is for the edification and encouragement of people who share the same beliefs. When we go out and live our lives in the world, we take the spirit with us to hopefully be a light and bring others into the fellowship. I am not saying that sinners can't come to church, but they shouldn't be comfortable remaining in their sinful state week after week, year after year. At some point, they should want to change.
If I visited a fellowship of Satanists, I would be uncomfortable. I don't share their beliefs so after a time, I am either going to change and accept the beliefs or move on. They aren't going to allow me to become a music leader knowing that I don't uphold their values.
"When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and `sinners'?" On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: `I desire mercy, not sacrifice." Plain talk for plain folk.
You can come in as a sinner but you should not STAY that way! “Go and sin no more” as Jesus said! A hospital HEALS the sick (sin sick)
Gay musicians in church is not new. I'm 65 years old and it's pretty much been the norm for as long as I can remember.
I'm 46 I agree
Some of the Greatest Gospel Songs were written by Gay Artists..I found this out after I grew up though..The Songs are still Beautiful .....Only God can change People ..
Being a gay man is so despicable to God and such a serious sin it's one of the few sins He calls for their death. If you accept and approve of gay men into your life then you are accepting sin into your life. The Bible Leviticus 20:13 King James Version
13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Branding homosexuality as a "sin" is something stone-age tribes used to do. The idea was that if you could keep gay people from having gay sex, then they would probably just be having straight sex like everybody else - meaning that there would be _more children born to the tribe._ And with the threat of war with other tribes constantly looming, strength in *numbers* was more important than anything else. However, in our modern *overpopulated* world, allowing those who are born gay to *live* as gay might actually be what saves us all from a global catastrophe.
God created gay people for a reason. Respect it and respect *them.*
Sodomite?
its something Obama did just a few years ago.
Being a gay man is so despicable to God and such a serious sin it's one of the few sins He calls for their death. If you accept and approve of gay men into your life then you are accepting sin into your life. The Bible Leviticus 20:13 King James Version
13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
If you’re giving advice to musicians in general then we understand your answer should be what works from your experience. But If you’re advice is for church musicians your answer should really be from the Bible . Not what u think.
Hmmm, ok... So what scripture or scriptures would you recommend that I go to in the bible that directly or indirectly talks about whether we should allow gay musicians to play or lead in churches??? I'll wait...
I hope this helps. It helped me. I think it all starts with being able to recognize "sin" and "living in sin". Two totally different things. If you wake up today and get in your car and somebody cut you off while you're driving and you give them the finger or cuss at them, you have sinned and need to repent and get that right with God. You didn't wake up that morning planning on doing that. When you are living in homosexuality you are waking up every day and that is a part of your lifestyle. Nobody is perfect and we sin whether consciously or subconsciously every day but there is a difference between sinning and living in sin. Again, I hope this helps. For we are all sinners Saved By God's grace. God bless 🙌🏽
@@isaaccarter8487 I appreciate you trying to explain this concept. However, it's something I have heard before and it makes no sense. It doesn't describe any fundamental difference between sin and living in sin. Here's why...
In your example, the person who cusses the person out who cuts them off in traffic has committed a sin.. Ok, but then the next day he cusses someone out at his job, and the day after that he cusses out is wife. Let's say he has this pattern for cussing people out an entire year. This means that this person is living in sin, right?
Now, you have to apply this to all other things that are considered sins too. You lie all the time, you hold envy and jealousy all the time, you lust after every woman that you think is attractive all the time, etc. You are living in sin. And these are things people do every day!
So you would have to say that both the gay person and the person who cusses people out in your example are living in sin.
So if we are going to say that gay people are living in sin and hold them accountable, then it needs to be the exact same thing with people who commit other sins repeativinely. Gay musicians can't play in churches, then neither can people who cuss others out all the time
@@TerenceFisher1 1 Cor 9 is one to look at. I know it doesn’t directly say whether they should or shouldn’t be musicians but it does talk about every one of those sins you mentioned (inc the corrupt pastor you mentioned). If the whole department/s have to be stripped down then so be it. What we can’t do is say because other people are allowed to get away with their sin, then others should too. That’s very dangerous!
@@TerenceFisher1 Blessings brother. Your premise is absolutely correct. All people living in sin continually and recklessly with no regard should not be serving in ministry. No matter what the sin is
I think God that I had a Pastor, who now went to be with the Lord, who felt that the church was a place for broken people. And her door was open 24 seven for Prayer for support, moral and financial and for instruction. She was a nurturer, but more than that she was a WORSHIP ER. That’s how she categorized herself. She felt no worship was secret and that nothing should taint soil or make a mockery of that because the worship belong to God, it was something that was forHIM and to offer him something and worship in music that was tainted and compromising was a kin to offering strange fire to the Lord, which he did not accept. To her credit, I saw her sit down a lot of people until they got their lives together. In areas that they were adamant about living in. If you were having a legitimate struggle, she would excuse you from doing the worship temple rarely and check on you at work with you to get that thing settled. I taken a long time to say this because it’s so important to me is so crucial to the body. This is what should be done and I’m glad that was under ministry wear a pastor took this seriously
You do know that the Bible says that women are not Pastors right?
Her door? Hum says a lot
NOT MALE OR FEMALE BUT ALL ONE IN YESHUA (Christ Jesus).AMEN❤❤ ❤😂
Great video! I knew pastors that would sit you down if you were out of order in any capacity. If we are to make disciples then we need to teach. If we truly love like Christ, we don’t leave people where they are but show them the more excellent way. It’s not about who is doing the same thing or seemingly getting away with a sin or sins. It’s about what is the way that Christ would have us be or what would he want us to teach to his disciples. Peace and blessings!
I remember my pastor putting a minister of music on blast from the pulpit for getting an unmarried choir member pregnant. He informed us that he fired the guy because "that type of behavior is not tolerated from church leaders in [that] church." Some churches have standards and good leadership.
In fairness, did he also put the unmarried choir member 'on blast'?
You just gave a great explanation of why I left the faith. But then again, I am guilty of a sin greater than all others - left leaning politics.
When you said you wanted to grow the channel to one hundred thousand subscribers, the text actually said 1,000,000 (one million).
That’s what I saw too, so he either has great aspirations or he doesn’t know how to count. 😂
Gays have always been in the church this is nothing new. Frankly they make the best choir directors. I love them . Any church that says they don't belong in my opinion is wrong. They do their job and they are serious about . Just because they are Gay, does not mean they want your son or grandson
They also are the best at applying makeup and doing hair!! You go girl!
Being a gay man is so despicable to God and such a serious sin it's one of the few sins He calls for their death. If you accept and approve of gay men into your life then you are accepting sin into your life. The Bible Leviticus 20:13 King James Version
13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
That Peter Poppoff story pisses me off! Because why is BET still allowing his commercials!! To the black community at that! It just makes me so angry!!😠 😠
Because BET was bought & sold to the white and Jewish community who knows not our culture and ways, and defiles us, by letting sin run rampant.
this channel is great i don’t care what people’s opinion is but its nice that people can express whatever they feel about the subject.
Zig ziglar once told a story about a man who told him 'i don't go to church because its full of hypocrites:
To which zig ziglar replied 'that's ok ..we have room for one more!'
It really doesn’t matter what “we” allow bc “we” aren’t the final authority on the matter … scripture is clear, rather man follows it or not …sin is sin and there is never justification for it … no matter who is doing the sinning regardless of title, office , or rank ….
Sin is sin, regardless of a person's position in the church or lack thereof. God doesn't show favoritism towards anyone, and the church should follow suit. It's easy to point fingers and assign blame, but we should lovingly correct each other according to God's word (Matthew 18:15-17). The actions of one bad person shouldn't be allowed to destroy the good that's being done for God's kingdom. We should all strive to uphold God's standards, as outlined in the Bible, and deal with sinful behavior according to those guidelines. Let's not shrink away from our responsibility to do what God has called us to do regarding rebuking someone for sinful behavior.
Walking away from this channel...quite shocked
Hello Terence! I enjoy your commentaries. I understand your position of being fair, and allowing gay’s to play in the church band. However, the church is supposed to represent God, so it would seem that any person intentionally living a life that conflicts with his concepts, and precepts should not be allowed to serve in the band, or any church auxiliary.
I love your TRUTH.
Thank you brother.
I completely understand your points, but is very simple the word of God can’t be change or twisted to full field ourselves weakness and desires,non of those called pastors should be doing what they do, and that will include any one that have any position in a church is very simple not only musicians or any other responsibility should be granted as a líder it didn’t matter what position is .
We help through and with the word of God not by our feelings very simple. Blessings great video.
he was sarcastic in saying they should be allowed. the point is if other open sins are allowed to go unchecked then what is the point of singling one out.
Terrence is always on point! And ,what class he has. What church person will ever admit their own faults, but use it to show the hypocrisy. It takes a lot to say, I was wrong. I have observed all this foolish hypocrisy for all my church life. Yep! You may gt a new musician, but no one is kicking their golden mouth preacher out even if they know he's sleeping with a fourth of the congregation and half the town. That is a practical reason that the titles Reverend and Father never made sense, because in essence you are saying something about these men that is not warranted. Jesus said not to call people these titles for a reason. He said what he said and meant what he said. P.S. I guess no one wants to talk about kicking out the heterosexual musician either. Well then, we are the maestros. :)
You can never condone sin. God has told us how we ought live. You can never condone under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE REGARDLESS OF WHO IS SINNING... That goes for EVERYONE FROM THE PULPIT TO THE DOOR!
Amen!
Being gay is not how you live it's how your brain is wired, A 5-year-old knows he/she is gay.
It’s something I’ve experienced myself. Sin is Sin and the consequences gonna be determined by GOD! Love the post bruh!!!
Had one pastor put it this way. He said, he had no problems with gay folk coming to church. They were welcome to attend the services. In order to get the word. But.....they would not be on the pulpit. That goes for the choir or playing any instruments. I respected this man, so much for taking a stance. Every other sin, has to be addressed. Except the sin of homosexuality? How is it, that this sin is EXEMPT?
Homosexuality exempt from scrutiny?? You can't possibly be serious?? 😂
In American churches, homosexuality is the * ONLY * sin that the church condemns by name. All other sins are tolerated and swept under the rug, as long as you know how to play church.
I'm confidently saying no, however, I do believe that if the church took all the energy it puts into lgbtiqfkw into say solving the massive inner city murder problem, we would all be a lot better off
All sin is a problem
It’s not the church job to solve murders
@@James-hj2upit’s not the church job to push fraternities, medicine, blm and political ideologies but they sure do all those things.
@@loaces2k6 not the true church of Jesus Christ,
@@James-hj2up100% agreed that’s what I understand thank you Jesus
I'm 50 years in on all genre's of drumming. Did the worship band thing, but not anymore. I always struggled with it's elevated place in churches. It's become a major idol and dare I say even a cult within the church. It's a huge resource bleeder, on and on. I now attend a little church with just a piano and organ neither which are played at the same time. The music is back where it belongs... Way in the background hardly noticed as a thin layer under girding the rich message of the songs. Pure peace and bliss with no distractions and noise.
6:29 You hit the nail right on the head. That’s another issue in some church cultures. Single men, especially new members, sometimes don’t really feel welcomed in the church because the perception is that we are either gay or something else is wrong with us, and the single women are already pre-programmed into hypergamy by the Pastor or peer pressure.
Or as you said, these ladies looking to the Pastor to seek their advice and consent for them to date someone else.
Thanks for bringing the point out about (selectively wrong) when there's other things going on in the church too. Let's be real 💯
All sin in it’s entirety should be addressed. There are straight people, in positions within the church that are living in compromise.
You're giving an answer of the public preference not God's. It shouldn't matter what many churches allow, We, as followers of Christ, should not give into ANY ways of the world as hard as it may personally be to have our own sins. Psalms 73! Don't get caught up in what someone else is seeming to get away with. Stand strong and don't slip. If you do then remember to run back and pray for strength and forgiveness and don't return.
Greetings my beloved brother. Can I know what camera you're using please?
The WHOLE damn church system is out of ORDER! Church, Ichabode is your name.
Why do we fight about a fictional book that should be read and understood that way... Then nobody would care about your sexuality but your experience as a musician, for example.
I’m not a musician. However, I love and appreciate truth. God has called His people to be holy and acceptable!!! It is egregious and sad that we have gotten to this place. Wealth and selfishness has overcome a great number of the churches to the point where it is nearly impossible to find a good one with a good pastor. Don’t get me wrong, I am not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and it is Holiness or Nothing for me. I thank you for creating a channel that creates a space to discuss these topics. Be blessed man of God and the people of God🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽.
Don't ask and don't tell, you go girl!
Great content brother....keep it up
Once in a church I grew up in a minister of music that replaced a retired minister of music was let go because the choir didn't like his music choice which were traditional hymns dating back to the reformation and Martin Luther
This is resource for many more people than church musicians! Good stuff for all believers
No sin should be an excuse to another sin. Unfortunately, church these days, no matter which one, are normalizing LIVING IN SIN as if our nature were something unbreakable and Jesus MUST accepct us without changes. We should pray and BE THE CHURCH WE WANT.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Thanks!
so many wrong things with this video🤦🏽♂️
you missed the point. he’s saying that because we ARW allowing 1,2,3 then let’s just go ahead and allow 4,5, and 6 too. because we aren’t doing anything about it regardless so who are we to “draw the line” when we are already so deep in the mess
@@lukecarodrums And, this is wrong just like he is.
Belief requires suspension of rationality. It supersedes common sense. That’s why you have to believe for it to make sense to you. 🤷♂️
Not the messy prophecy. I am so sorry you experienced that.
Yeaa speak the truth fam
I agree with video very much. I left my church because if something that was said in the pulpit.
Greetings my beloved brother; just found your channel and subscribed,Great content. What camera are you using..clean video
In Isaiah 14:12-15, Lucifer says, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High". Some interpret this as Satan wanting to be like God
You are telling the truth
“we allow this so lets allow that too” is the wrong approach bro. and i love your videos but we should talk about this personally you and I. your a cool dude and very reasonable im open to talking about this with you directly.
1 Thess 5:22 Abstain from all appearances of evil
That one hurt I totally disagree
I think that is world wisdom. Just because some church people allow it, doesn’t necessarily mean we should allow it for the musicians, wrong is wrong, not saying some of these pastors should still be preaching either…
Prophetic Words about personnel relationships!!!! Yikes!!!
I must disagree respectfully. “Gay activity” and touching little/young boys are not synonymous. What you are describing is pedophiliac behavior, and to describe pedophiliac actions as “gay activity,” is messed up and irresponsible.
Being openly gay in worship leader positions is not what creates the problem, people being bad human beings create the problem and not being checked on that. I speak from experience. I’ve known and still do a couple openly gay church and musician leaders and they have significant others or some live by themselves and have never done anything out of line. The children around them have never showed signs of discomfort around them and trust, the places they reside take that seriously.
One of the few times something scandalous happened, I remember the head minister, who is straight, absolutely got fired for sexual misconduct.
If the church spent more time ridding the churches of people who actually are using the building, its people, and the word as a shield all of their nefarious doings, instead of judging what is absolutely no one’s business nor should be a tarnish on one’s character, this wouldn’t be a conversation.
Being a gay man is so despicable to God and such a serious sin it's one of the few sins He calls for their death. If you accept and approve of gay men into your life then you are accepting sin into your life. The Bible Leviticus 20:13 King James Version
13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
This is the realest point of view I've heard on the subject. All of it is wrong period. Sin is sin. BUT if you allow any of it then why are certain things pinpointed?
God's standards should never be compromised when It comes to being of good standing for church leaders, teachers & musicians. To do so just undermines God's very presents at the church to the point where the Holy Spirit is absent from the church & so it is just operating at a worldly level.
Wait; what!?!? You mean to tell me that the miracle water is a scam????! Aww man 😂😂😂😂😂😂.
It Must be real..... look how many people money disappeared.... like a mira- sorry, HaterAid for breakfast.
I remember the prayer cloth, salt, and coin.😹😹😹😹😹😹😹
No one who is active in a sinful life should hold any position in the church it really shows that the church that allows this is not standing firmly to God's word and are weak Christians.
We all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
@@chimaobiihekaire8481 ACTIVE! Dang!
You need an update. Read 1 John chapter 1
7:52 I have seen things like this in music ministry, and then religion which caused me to deconstruct from religion. I don’t hate people in religion, but I hate the double standards, especially how they treat LGBTQ people we are human, and we love God just as much 8:26
No.
Just because other's do wrong does not mean we do it or accept it.
Instead, we are called to expose it (Titus 1:9)
When you are made aware of The Truth and no longer in lack of understanding of what appears to be...expose it or you simply become a part, of the problem ... only Wanting to benefit by growing your channel as the singers and pastors you referenced to grow your numbers as they are doing.God will spue you out of His mouth
None of our "opinions" matter when it comes to what GOD has established and allowed to be laid out in HIS WORD. (THE BIBLE) We all can say what we think or feel all we want. None of it will matter AT ALL when it's our turn to face God's judgment! We really need to get out of our own thoughts and feelings and SOLELY align ourselves with what GOD has already established to be truth. I truly don't think God is going to ask us about our "opinions"when it comes to this or ANY matter that He's already clearly laid out for us to follow and obey in His Word. (The Bible)
The answer is always no! None of this should be allowed. Just because many churches are hypocritical does not mean we lower the absoluteness of the standard for holiness.
They used to sit people down and sometimes silence them when I was younger. Not saying I'd want that to happen now, but that does show the difference between the times.
Just imagine, about 20 years ago, people lost their minds when Carlton Pearson stated his belief change. Now, this are a lot worse, if you ask me.
My brother in Christ, I haven’t gone to a single church where they did not have a gay person in the ministry. Everybody knew, but at the same time, they didn’t sell that person out just to appease the world.
Will people have their opinions and personal interpretations about the word when it comes to the LGBTQIA+ community, of course they will. But at the same time, we are commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. Jesus said that is the most important commandment next to loving the Lord our God with our heart, mind and soul.
Which means the “love the sinner, hate the sin” quote erroneous because how can one love when hate exists in their heart?
When they're flaming and flamboyant I can't deal with it and I'm a gay masculine acting man who has chosen celibacy because I cannot reconcile sex between men with scripture. On marriage it is One Man and One Woman and nothing in between. If it's wrong when heterosexual men go to strip bars and calling himself a Christian, then it's also wrong for gay men to be hanging around gay bars and doing gay pride day.
The fact the pastor is providing false prophecy is one of the main reasons for the things that occurred and not put into proper context and handled properly.
Attraction is a given. People are going to be attracted to the opposite sex especially, if they are single. I can appreciate the creator of this channel being transparent and exposing himself and others wrong doing to help others understand what false church leadership looks like, the pitfalls of allowing sin to run wild and not putting biblical principles in place to correct the things that were going on.
I like how you say church people choose who's going to be right and who's going to be wrong and based all on their preferences.
But what I find extremely uncanny is how this type of behaviour obtained throughout the church world. Its like studing a manual.
It doesn't matter how good of a musician, preacher, etc they are, the Bible is clear on whats sin.
Makes me wonder about Fisher a little bit.
99% of people I know are either living in sexual sin, or were until they happened to sign up for the loophole of marriage.
That's not an excuse. I'm not saying it's great... but it's odd that homosexuality is the only sexual sin that anyone seems to worry about.
@@dannykent6190 I dont. To me, its all one big Alpha bet Soup
@@bill2066 if that's true, that is fantastic for you. But the fact that you mentioned the alphabet makes me think you're only looking at LGBTQ+, etc etc... that is a limited population. If you start factoring in casual heterosexual relationships, anything beyond the ordinary even within marriage (oral, etc), masturbation... the number of people who could honestly be up on that stage would dwindle to almost nothing.
@@dannykent6190 Whoa there Cowboy! I Completely agree with you! I sense you are lookin for someone to Lock Horns with . I hope not. ..im on your side.
If you look at the little Richard documentary. … they actually elevated the gospel music scene in style. . .
What you just said is that if we allow X then we should also allow G? You probably already know that that’s the wrong conclusion to come to.
As a South African ..this one may be going over my head...BUT, is the option or idea of using the bible as a foundation of ones faith... and not the actions of man...EVER CONSIDERED
No one who willingly is living in a sin without repenting and purposefully lives that lifestyle should be allowed to serve in any leadership roll on the church. We all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God but to downright disobey and continue in that life of sin goes without a second thought and must be removed immediately from their leadership position. They Word is 100% clear. That’s not to say they can’t repent and get right with God, but there is only one way and his name is the son Jesus Christ!!
Well first of all, pray and let God show you and pick your mate. The bible says - do not put confidence in man. Trust and have faith in the LORD. He knows all, and He know who's right and who's wrong for you because, He knows their heart.
None of it happens in the churches I am personally familar with …. Any questions about “gay” behavior should be addressed by what is written in the Bible. And that is VERY clear.
Yes! Anyone practicing sin should be sat down, no matter the sin. Any preacher caught up in sexual sins, stealing or worse, is Biblically unqualified to ever be in leadership again. They're disqualified.
Absolutely correct,nothing to say
The wheat will grow with the tears. We can't do nothing about it
not sure if I caught your reasoning, but if I did it has holes in it. Are you saying that if you are shot once then its okay to be shot again?
If given the option, I prefer to be dealt one blow, attend to the injury and work my way back to full recovery rather than being dealt several blows as this will reduce my odds of surviving.
ANY type of wrong should be ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY and not become a gateway or an excuse for another.
This is funny because I'm pretty sure in the comments everyone is saying no, but that doesn't stop their musicians in the church sleeping with everyone and causing broken homes but y'all not ready for that conversation😂
Is the hypocrisy for me
At what point does it stop being church and starts being a social club? I think you could qualify your statement. Not every church has strayed this much...
If someone in your assembly claims to be prophesying anything, run.
You're quite right! Sin is Sin in whatever form!!!!
Nobody is perfect of course and we all fall short. It’s interesting to me the tendency of people to pick and choose the sin they want to call out. If the wages of sin are death, then all sin is equal, but people assign different values to different sins, and then designate it as worse when it’s “out in the open” because people are worried more about vanity than the heart.
Seems like the church and industries associated has added an 11th commandment for the people with something to offer that benefits them. “Do what you want, but don’t get caught and make us look bad”
They’d rather have the one who boasts a public appearance of holiness but a private life full of darkness, than they would the transparent one who is open about their shortcomings but is still in honest pursuit of God.
Just the way it is.
Reject. Do not cross over the line no matter what.
But come on with everybody in the church, regardless of gender identity. Everyone has something that they’re dealing with, and has some type of human desire for another person, and I think religion has clouded our mind about the fact that we are human, and we have natural desires, which are natural, but not wrong.
No one living in unrepentant and habitual sin should be in any position of authority in the church.
I see no difference between church and the world anymore because the holiness is gone.😢
GOD wouldn't be GOD of no one was Holy. Just like he told Elijah when he thought he was the only one left serving God " GOD said: I have 7,000 who has never bowed a knee to Bel. Now as for the counterfeits on the Altar of God. They will be brought low! Every high thing is coming down!
There’s a remnant who still believes in holiness, trust me!
Sounds like church drama...
Not interested...