I totally agree, those 285s are freaking small I rather have the truck come standard with 35s and the way the new trucks sit almost level they can easily clear those.
Throw a set of 37s on the PW and drop the insanely high tire pressure down to 35-40 and the PW not only rides twice as nice as stock, but it's much more capable as well.
@@wirebrush yeah I have 37s on my Power Wagon, only way you can get it balanced right from the store was with beads. I have it aired to 50 psi just rides great.
More videos with Steve if possible. He is very knowledgeable, speaks very well when getting his points across, and seems to really enjoy what he does. Would be nice to see him included in more videos.
Sums it up entirely. Same with the Acadia at4. Just appearance package with all-terrain tires. Like if you make an off-road package, include off-road capability.
@@jsabo4 I get why manufacturers do this, but at the same time I don't. This is honestly GMC's answer to the Power Wagon.... a small lift, some all-terrain tires (that can be had on even half ton's randomly on the lot with 4x4 and no special options), and some shocks (that apparently aren't tuned to be as soft as the Power Wagon's for bouncing off road).
The HD GMC did damn good even though it doesn't have all the lockers and disconnecting front in that the powerwagon has and it's a heavier truck the g80 worked fine
I can attest that RAM has grossly underrated the payload capacity of the Power Wagon for some reason. I had 1000lbs of bentonite on a pallet near the tailgate and was surprised how little it squatted given RAM numbers. It drove like it wasn’t even there.
@@shitloveaduck I work the crap out of my 2016 PW. All it took was a couple airbags. Only $300 and 45 minutes for me to install and i can do anything a Chevy or Ford can when it comes to hauling, sure, a little slower up hill, but it will do it, and more.
@@shitloveaduck tfl literally went to a ram Showcase and showed around the truck. And it's got a brand new hitch and everything. Max payload is around 1,600 lb and Max Towing in around 14,000 pounds. I think they said it has around 800 pound-feet of torque. It's not meant for towing it's meant for off-roading so you don't have that 37000 lb of Towing like on other diesels. But I can assure you it's a real thing
@@shitloveaduck will the 3L EcoDiesel for the rebel outperform the gas variant. So that's not necessarily true they just have to find a way to balance it all out
@@jlbush8249 What you don't understand? It is something most anyone who has ever driven off pavement knows. If you drive through the same mud, then you will sink more the second time. This is because you displace some of the dirt when driving through. Not to mention the GMC took a much worse angle of approach. Try not to let this get you heated bro. I just felt the impulse to educate someone that lacks basic understanding, or is just blindly bandwagoning because they are a fanboy. Please do reply to tell me how ill informed I am. I do love hatemail. Salty people are so sad, but funny to laugh at. 😄😆😆😆🤪
The Ford Tremor will have the same problems at the AT4. They're hardly a real off-roader, and are definitely a cosmetic package with a street truck built for towing.
@@40calDeathPunch not hard to figure out since Ford already released details. It has lockers, but no sway bar disconnect, no winch, and towing and payload that is no different from a normal Super Duty, which means no meaningful change has been made to the suspension to make it any more capable off road.
ZeroCool We already know what’s in the package. It’s a FX4 pack with 2” lift on 35s with a rear locker and front Limited slip. Ford’s off-road tech and sport appearance. Basically if the AT4 has 35s it would be about the same.
I think the tremor will do slightly better than the AT4. It has a little better clearance and better tires. It’s no power wagon, but like the gmc it can do other things that the dodge can’t. It’s fun to watch them all.
The AT4 is for dirt roads and the snow belt, the PowerWagon is for offroad adventure. They are two completely different vehicles to serve 2 completely different purposes. It would be like comparing a 1500 AT4 to a raptor. This truck is meant for towing on rough roads, not making its own roads. PowerWagon is a fun toy if you have lots of money, but the AT4 is wildly the more practical truck. All they need to do is give it an electronic locker in the rear and maybe an LSD in the front like the tremor. The tremor as of now is the truck to beat because that will get close enough to the PW while maintaining its hauling capability
@@gmcdenali7178 They could act like diesel fuel economy isnt directly comparable to gas fuel economy and even acknowledge the difference in regular vs premium. Those are things they 100% control
Ummm… if that wasn't babying the trucks I'm not sure what it was! Your in Moab for gosh sakes! Could have filmed that extreme off road activity in a vacant lot in Jersey!
This went how everyone assumed it would. The Tremor comes off the bench on January 21 and the match-ups will get more interesting. It's still probably not going to work as well as the PW on the trail, but at least the comparison will be worth talking about.
Both are nice. The Ram is more appealing to me in my opinion, but they both are aesthetically pleasing to look at. However, on my personal opinion, and knowing heavy duty trucks, the solid axle of the Ram can handle more abuse and weight then that of the IFS of the GMC. IFS is great for on road use, but bad for off road use. You can not get the proper flex for off-roading then say the solid axle trucks like Ram and Ford.
In what scenario is 410/429 not enough power? The truck isn't sprung for heavy hauling or heavy towing, and I'm pretty sure it's plenty of power for any rock crawling you will ever due. Last time I was at Moab in my SXS there was a group of probably 10 Power Wagons there and I was stunned at their abilities in the rocks, and I'm not talking about the little piddly stuff the TFL guys were doing, I'm talking about real rock crawling with 6-7' shelfs and stuff I was going around on my RZR! The GMC would have never come close to traversing much of what they were just crawling over. Most of the Power Wagons looked to be stock or very close to stock! I was seriously impressed!
Razors Edge Adventures I personally don’t care about it in the Power wagon. I just know the same motor would roll over into the non power wagon ram 2500&3500. And ram could use a new big block to compete with the new ford and Chevy HD gas trucks
We have a 73 dodge power wagon W-250 4x4, 4" suspension lift, 4-speed with lockers front n rear axles, 12,000 lb. Warn " worm gear driven Ramsey winch. Built like a tank. We have pulled out many stuck 4x4's thru the years. All makes, all types. NOTHING LIKE THE OLD SCHOOL 4X4 h.d. trucks.
For day to day driving, that G80 is extremely useful. Pulling away from the side of the road, icy driveways, etc. It kicks in before I'd have time to consider clicking a button. Both types of lockers have their benefits, I've been surprised by how good the G80 is.
Yes, for daily driving and variable driving conditions, the g80 works fine. Works fine in my Silverado and never had an issue with traction. My issue with it off road is that you’ve already lost traction before it kicks in, especially at crawling speeds. So a natural reaction for a driver is to give it some more throttle and then you finally grab traction. That’s a dangerous recipe on tight trails with rocks and trees on either side of you. I think for the AT4 or Trail Boss trims, they should have included an e-locker just like the ZR2.
Well there aftermarket so you can build it the way you want it, better than buying a expensive ass new truck that the note will eat your monthly income. I miss my 98 z71
@@thirstydogs810 IDK, I have a ZR2, took it off roading over the last 8 months and have needed the lockers once. I think if you have rear lockers and a winch you can get yourself out of any situation.
I currently have a 2018 gmc duramax 3500 SRW. Before this truck i had the 2017 powerwagon. I RV full time, BLM land, so i'm offroad A LOT. I came the conclusion that the PW is better for pure offroad adventures. The GMC is a more well rounded work truck with off road capabilities. Now, i used to explore in the PW, taking trails like this. But I dont bother to do that in the GMC; the ride is just too rough, it weighs to much. But while pulling the camper the GMC can get me as far back as the powerwagon, considering i'm towing a TT. Now i mountain bike the trails or ride my dual sport, instead of explore in my truck. Trade offs...
They both made it through the trail. AT4 tows like a 3/4 ton while going through trails most people would put it on. The big difference for me is that the AT4 has auto 4wd which I would never go without in the climate I live in.
A 2500 diesel focused more on towing *gasp* blasmy i say. I want to drive off-road unloaded in the only 2 huge enough trails for a HD in the #USA . The ZR2 & canyon AT4 makes sense, light & small for trailing. Like the Jeep & defender. Appearance package makes more sense in this case, to me.
Ya I really don’t understand this class of truck. Too big for 90% of trails. They are claimed off road packages, but the approach, break over, and departure are abysmal compared to an actual off road vehicle. I guess it’s just a marketing thing. Lots are sold, none go off road.
I'm old school I like to pull my 5th wheel/gear confidently and safely. That AT4 will get me through just about any trail. Soon as you ask the Powerwagon to be a heavy duty truck it DO care and you are left with a 21ft jeep wrangler.
Yeah, kinda. It's really rated lower than it should be, and if you toss on some air bag helper springs, it's 90% back to non PW hauling. Not ideal for 5th wheel rig for sure!
I tow a 21' Customweld XXL with a 200HP outboard with all our gear for 2 weeks up the Klutina or Copper River. Our Power Wagon does it with ease. I dont need nor want a hay hauler.
@@woodheat49 I could handle that with my v6 tacoma trd and still not top center on a hill. A 2500 Powerwagon is supposed to have the power. If you put a diesel in it you would have a 500lb payload. 😂. Hey it looks good and I guess thats all that matters.
@@chadsingleton7632 You're funny. I bet you use Apple products as well, dont you? My Customweld weighs 4800 dry without the motor and trailer. Trailer is 1200lbs E-Tec motor is 600lbs plus we take a CanAm 850 XT Max in the bed of the truck along with our gear which is about 1000lbs. Your Taco can only dream of going where we go hauling what we haul. Your Taco wont even haul my ATV in it's bed. Ive pulled a lot of people like you with Toyotas out of places you think your toy can go. This is Alaska. Not some dry rocky desert. You wouldn't make it across the first Muskeg. Hell I bet you wouldn't make it through the pass we take through the Alaska Range.
Same here, plus a ford. You can bicker back and forth of GM vs Ford, but am I crazy or did the Ram just feel cheap? All of the plastics felt cheap and flimsy. Both the GMC and Ford felt way more sturdy.
Jim Diet you must have gotten a keeper then. I’ve seen not one but two rams with 5k miles with the plastic window in front of the gauge cluster cracked. The 1500 I test drove I pushed it made a creaking sound. The GMC and the dodge didn’t do it.
GM completely missed the mark by not putting an e-locker on the AT4 trim or Trail Boss. You’ve already lost traction by the time the G80 kicks in and it’s simply not as controlled as an e-locker. The AT4 HD looks nicer than the PW, but that’s purely subjective.
Both are amazing Trucks! Fun review to watch for sure. But in all honesty, I wouldn’t buy the GMC for off-roading by any means. That truck was engineered for towing and hauling in luxury. Maybe with a small amount of off road capability. The power wagon was built for off road. Not really apples to apples at all, but still fun to watch. Thanks guys!!
And yet the GMC went everywhere the PowerWagon went without its front locker, G80 rear, and 700+ pounds more curb weight. Most trucks spend more time working (towing) than playing (trail riding) and GM is focused right.
The power wagon makes sense to me for farmers with huge amounts of land. If your all day off pavement the power wagon is it but if your mostly towing on pavement and then still need to drive your lands the gmc makes more sense.
well im really impress with the gmc that go trough those rocks when they where flexing them for and apperence off-road package the Gmc done it as soon the rear lock engage well done GM and well done Ram for a good off-roader
Great video, but come on guys! You drove all the way to Moab, with quite possibly some of the best rock crawling in the world, just to splash through a couple mud puddles and over a little washout to declare an off-road king! I've seen groups of Power Wagons at work in the real Moab and let me tell you, they are impressive to say the least!! The GMC is a really nice truck, but put it on some of the real Moab trails and the only way its getting over the first rock is if the Power Wagon drags it over with its factory installed Warn Winch!
I actually bought the new Milwaukee battery powered string trimmer with a 12.0AH battery and I love it. No more fouled carbs etc. Selling my old Stihl.
At 9:13 you mention how 4 low keeps you from turning. I think you meant the lockers keep you from turning? Being in low range and in 4wd doesnt affect the steering. Only locking the differential does.
Both effect steering actually, but lockers are more significant. In a turn the front tracks longer than the rear and without a center diff it binds up and forces tire slip
And while the GMC does NOT have the front locker, at 11min, once that G80 locked up it was still able to navigate the same line that the Power Wagon did with both front and rear lockers... While I'll agree the Power Wagon is better suited for O/R activities, the AT4 can do it all, O/R, tow, haul, and is better equipped for all around activities... 2002 GMC 2500HD, 4.5" BDS coilover conversion lift, 33x12.50, w/LB7 Duramax, #7000 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 w/L5P Duramax, %100 Stock, #8300
The Ram is the pick here. With tech options from the big three, it would be great to add the other competitors features to the Ram. Not that the Ram is lacking.
I have an AT4 1500. Its just a z71 with a factory 2in lift. You wouldn't compare a z71 to a power wagon would you? I wouldn't.... the power wagon is king ding-a-ling off road and has been for while. That being said, this is my favorite TFL channel. Keep 'em comin'
I am a Ram fan, but the power wagon has been and continues to be a major let down, specifically because they limited its capacity to less than their half ton and refuse to offer a diesel option.
Nice comparo of the trade-offs between these two. Seems like the GMC's weight would help the off-road ride (but hurt capability) - I'm thinking the ride comes from the stiffer springs, not weight. The GMC needs at least a rear e-locker on the AT4 (like Chevy needs on the Trail Boss). The Power Wagon needs a diesel option.
I'd like to point out that on the PW, you can install a Tazer Ram module that 'spoofs' 4Lo, so that you can lock the diffs while actually in 4HI. This would be useful in some situations like snow. Justin King (TH-cam: th-cam.com/video/q1vtFL6jnVM/w-d-xo.html) pointed this out to me on the attached video.
FST-7 Vlogs you must not own one of the late generation GMs. Interior is full of plastic even in ltz trim. 8 speed transmission clunking and harsh shifts. The new GMs arent build the same as the early 00s models. I had a 00 Silverado that was flawless. Come 2017 I bought a brand new ltz Z71 midnight edition and that thing was junk.
GM/Chevy the best... that’s funny. New chevys are pure crap.how about the trail boss with the cheapest crap lift out there. A body lift is something broke ass dip shits would put in there truck.pure garbage
Would it be nice for the ram to have the cummins yes, but it really needs 35in tires from the factory its got the low gears to make them work I think it would really make a big difference
I don't see that as the GMC struggling. It still made it through that pretty well. Not to mention that the two trucks are built for different purposes.
@@bigseff23 Thats a real powerwagon. All thrill, no frill. Only things I wish the tradesman powerwagon had are black bumpers and maybe the nice cameras all around.
Power Wagon is literally a Heavy Duty Rubicon lol. This will be my next truck in a few months, wanted to get a Rubicon but for the price I may as well get a Power Wagon instead. Truck bed will come in handy at times, plus the 6.4L hemi sounds fantastic.
All the questions about why the PW doesn't have etc, etc...and then it completely destroys the competition. I guess we know why it doesn't have etc etc.. it doesn't need it.
Well other than a joyride pw is not even close to as good as that gmc truck. They should do a towing challenge. Lol I think why would know who would win that one
Jerry Perez “It would have no chance” well that is certainly your opinion, I think we can both agree we have a bias, which is ok. But a real “ideal” challenge would be the GMC Sierra2500/3500HD Against Dodge2500/3500HD that would be an interesting one. Btw I don’t know what you mean by “my feelings”
For how often someone would take these trucks off road, I’d take the GMC any day! The majority of the time people drive on paved road, and with what the gmc has is better for me.
I love how they used a off road truck made for off road vs a towing truck used for towing that has a little bit of off road stuff on it offroad. They could have used a chevy trail boss. This test was BS.
Do you want an out of the box serious off road truck or a heavy duty truck with the off road package. I could see why certain buyers would like/dislike either one.
nailed the exterior... that I'll agree with. I absolutely love the exterior of the new GMC (minus maybe the new mirror design) I just wish they would have actually upgraded the interior vs. a tiny refresh. I love my 17' Silverado btw... not throwing shade.
The powerwagon is the jeep Rubicon of pickups that the GMC and other manufacturers should be doing, equipped with both locking differentials for front and rear axles to go anywhere. And i like GM since the womb.
Having owned many GM products and Now a new PW, the GM feels like a swatch watch and the pw feels like a rolex. Such a difference in feel. Both work but it feels like gm came from a vending machine. Furthermore, on my last two suburbans I needed an engine at 104,000mi and a transmission in the other at 160,000mi. While I understand that that is quite a lot of miles, they were all interstate miles and less than three years old. The leather aka plastic in both started cracking within 50,000 miles. The rubber coating on the plastic area of the steering wheel started pealing almost immediately. The dash had cracked around the airbag area after just two years and the “chrome” plastic on the body had started to bubble. While these were partially covered under warranty I find it absurd. On my PW, it is two months old. I have around 10,000 miles. The R fell off of RAM when I shut the hood. The radio will not hold its presets. The back window clicks loudly when I open it but i think that is the worst of it. It feels like such a better made vehicle. With at said, I am very skeptical of the transmission but only time will tell.
Hello boys! As usual great job! Where do I apply? Which one is better? As much as I like the Ram PW, why would I, or anyone buy a HD truck to off-road? If that was the case I’d buy a ZR2 Diesel! But that AT4 GMC HD, is very nice for all around heavy full sized pickup trucks! As it did take you through everything the PW did, without pushing any buttons, sure it rides harder, but what if you had say a nice high quality Truck Camper slid in the bed? Like a beautiful Northern Lite at around a thousandth lbs or so less than the trucks over all load capacity? That, with auxiliary fuel tank would make a great overland Camping Rig. With plenty of hauling capacity left over for a full load of liquids, a friend or significant other and maybe a child or two?
Not sure who would do this with an $80,000 new truck.....but I would take the GMC Duramax on any day- it’s a towing beast. Probably explains why it has street tires on it from the factory. Oh well.....
The Power Wagon should come with 35s off the factory. That's one of the main things anyone with a PW would want to change. 37s would be great but 35s should suffice for a factory tire for that truck. I think most of us can agree on that. Right?
It seems more like the power wagon is the best recovery vehicle for your other toys. If your Jeeps or side by sides get stuck you bring the power wagon that can tow any of your toys to the trail so you can pull them out easily
@@EGGINFOOLS Since I drive for a living, I see what I see. I guess I should have worded it "GMC and Chevy Trucks in general vs Dodge Trucks" Being old school power wagon was what Dodge trucks use all be. And to add to that My last Dodge was a pile of Junk, 3 transmissions in under 60k miles. My dealer told me it was because of the way I drove it. I guess sticking to the speed limit of 35-40 mph was the wrong way. But at least it would wouldn't give up till I came to a dead stop someplace. Dead being the correct term since once you stopped it was dead in the water so to speak
I’m a Chevy guy, but just bought a ‘19 Tacoma trd 6 speed. But the at4 is just like z71 now. Just an appearance package. Almost all gm trucks for the past 20 years have g80 lockers. And all the 4x4s have 4low and tow hooks. No advantage from an 03 4x4 duramax. The power wagon is clearly the winner off-road
Sure, the Power Wagon is better at Off Road from the factory but with a few upgrades on GMC and mechanical changes they would be comparable. Also worth mentioning the GMC could tow three power wagons I think. Both trucks are great for what they do and if you want to do SERIOUS off roading then buy a jeep.
Before I watched this video I knew the outcome. I'm no engineer! But to put a diesel in a power wagon, it will never be a off road truck. They would have to totally redesign it to do what the gas engine does. Way to much money if they did that. Great video even though I knew the outcome. For me me if I could only afford one it would be the AT4.
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Power Wagon don’t care!
Joseph Whiskey Beale cause it’s probably at the dealership broken 80% of the time.
@@mattonthewater haha such an original comment
cybertruck destroys power wagon
@@joeyscleaninglady2877 And yet no one but you cares
The 2020 Ram PW will have the 360 camera system
Powerwagon for offroading, GMC for towing. Got it. However it should be an option from the dealer to get your Powerwagon with 35"-36" tires...
I totally agree, those 285s are freaking small I rather have the truck come standard with 35s and the way the new trucks sit almost level they can easily clear those.
Throw a set of 37s on the PW and drop the insanely high tire pressure down to 35-40 and the PW not only rides twice as nice as stock, but it's much more capable as well.
@@wirebrush yeah I have 37s on my Power Wagon, only way you can get it balanced right from the store was with beads. I have it aired to 50 psi just rides great.
I was looking at a powerwagon its still only 9 inches wide
@@shitloveaduck I understand that, but what I am saying is if everyone wants bigger tires, FCA should make it an option.
More videos with Steve if possible. He is very knowledgeable, speaks very well when getting his points across, and seems to really enjoy what he does. Would be nice to see him included in more videos.
Off Road Appearance Package vs Off Road Package.
Ryan rkj gmc don’t have a real off road package on a heavy duty trucks. Agree with you.
Gmc has the taking your boat or gear to the unpaved spot with clout package
@@tbhj5912 the 1500at4 is better imo
Sums it up entirely. Same with the Acadia at4. Just appearance package with all-terrain tires. Like if you make an off-road package, include off-road capability.
@@jsabo4 I get why manufacturers do this, but at the same time I don't. This is honestly GMC's answer to the Power Wagon.... a small lift, some all-terrain tires (that can be had on even half ton's randomly on the lot with 4x4 and no special options), and some shocks (that apparently aren't tuned to be as soft as the Power Wagon's for bouncing off road).
Tremor vs AT4 should be interesting but I think the power wagon is still in a class of it's own when it comes to offroad
I liked the guest star this week! I knew luke combs liked off roading
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What is Luke combing?
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The HD GMC did damn good even though it doesn't have all the lockers and disconnecting front in that the powerwagon has and it's a heavier truck the g80 worked fine
Love my 2019 Power Wagon. Takes us everywhere we want to go and it tows, hauls everything we Alaskans need to go beyond mankind.
Amen! 😊
Wood Heat pos
@@cristobalbaeza1241 Whatever helps you sleep at night. Was fun watching that GM drag and grind over that rock.
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"Hurr durr I'm hating just because I can and for no logical reason durrrr"
I can attest that RAM has grossly underrated the payload capacity of the Power Wagon for some reason. I had 1000lbs of bentonite on a pallet near the tailgate and was surprised how little it squatted given RAM numbers. It drove like it wasn’t even there.
Cant wait to see the Power Wagon to destroy the tremor next! It just has too much stuff going for it straight out of the box
Power Wagon with front and rear lockers, lighter, and with the disconnect away bar is all day winner even over the Tremor.
@@shitloveaduck I work the crap out of my 2016 PW. All it took was a couple airbags. Only $300 and 45 minutes for me to install and i can do anything a Chevy or Ford can when it comes to hauling, sure, a little slower up hill, but it will do it, and more.
Especially since the PowerWagon is coming with a diesel in 2020.
@@shitloveaduck tfl literally went to a ram Showcase and showed around the truck. And it's got a brand new hitch and everything. Max payload is around 1,600 lb and Max Towing in around 14,000 pounds. I think they said it has around 800 pound-feet of torque. It's not meant for towing it's meant for off-roading so you don't have that 37000 lb of Towing like on other diesels. But I can assure you it's a real thing
@@shitloveaduck will the 3L EcoDiesel for the rebel outperform the gas variant. So that's not necessarily true they just have to find a way to balance it all out
GMC all the way or work and playing don't ever have a problem
Charles Burns That front end drag though....
Dodge is better dude
@@jlbush8249 power wagon drug the front too. Just saying.
@@mikcun2799 Seriously dude? Barely rubbing versus crunching and damaging the front end. The two are somehow the same?
@@jlbush8249 What you don't understand? It is something most anyone who has ever driven off pavement knows. If you drive through the same mud, then you will sink more the second time. This is because you displace some of the dirt when driving through. Not to mention the GMC took a much worse angle of approach.
Try not to let this get you heated bro. I just felt the impulse to educate someone that lacks basic understanding, or is just blindly bandwagoning because they are a fanboy.
Please do reply to tell me how ill informed I am. I do love hatemail. Salty people are so sad, but funny to laugh at. 😄😆😆😆🤪
I love my 1500 6.2 AT4, the power is awesome! I've pulled out jeeps, Rebel and a Raptor with the 3.5 turbo crap...keep them coming!
Nice camera work, Tommy
The Ford Tremor will have the same problems at the AT4. They're hardly a real off-roader, and are definitely a cosmetic package with a street truck built for towing.
Your speaking from the future? I like how idiots so easily complement what they know nothing about.
@@40calDeathPunch not hard to figure out since Ford already released details. It has lockers, but no sway bar disconnect, no winch, and towing and payload that is no different from a normal Super Duty, which means no meaningful change has been made to the suspension to make it any more capable off road.
Matt France Tremor has almost 10” longer wheelbase too.
ZeroCool We already know what’s in the package.
It’s a FX4 pack with 2” lift on 35s with a rear locker and front Limited slip.
Ford’s off-road tech and sport appearance.
Basically if the AT4 has 35s it would be about the same.
I think the tremor will do slightly better than the AT4. It has a little better clearance and better tires. It’s no power wagon, but like the gmc it can do other things that the dodge can’t. It’s fun to watch them all.
I like this mash up! Yall work well together, and bring a ton of knowledge to the game
The AT4 is for dirt roads and the snow belt, the PowerWagon is for offroad adventure. They are two completely different vehicles to serve 2 completely different purposes. It would be like comparing a 1500 AT4 to a raptor. This truck is meant for towing on rough roads, not making its own roads. PowerWagon is a fun toy if you have lots of money, but the AT4 is wildly the more practical truck. All they need to do is give it an electronic locker in the rear and maybe an LSD in the front like the tremor. The tremor as of now is the truck to beat because that will get close enough to the PW while maintaining its hauling capability
You say it like TFL Truck posts all apples to apples videos. Sometimes it's fun to compare apples to oranges
@@gmcdenali7178 tfl hasn't posted an apple to apple video is years. The issue is often they will act like they are
@@james2042 They are limited to what the manufacturers give them
@@gmcdenali7178 They could act like diesel fuel economy isnt directly comparable to gas fuel economy and even acknowledge the difference in regular vs premium. Those are things they 100% control
The Tremor isnt even close to the PW off road.
Great review guys. This is the only channel I trust to tell it how it is and not baby these 80K trucks. Well done.
Ummm… if that wasn't babying the trucks I'm not sure what it was! Your in Moab for gosh sakes! Could have filmed that extreme off road activity in a vacant lot in Jersey!
This went how everyone assumed it would. The Tremor comes off the bench on January 21 and the match-ups will get more interesting. It's still probably not going to work as well as the PW on the trail, but at least the comparison will be worth talking about.
Both are nice. The Ram is more appealing to me in my opinion, but they both are aesthetically pleasing to look at. However, on my personal opinion, and knowing heavy duty trucks, the solid axle of the Ram can handle more abuse and weight then that of the IFS of the GMC. IFS is great for on road use, but bad for off road use. You can not get the proper flex for off-roading then say the solid axle trucks like Ram and Ford.
I feel like ram would do good to bring in a bigger hemi for the pw. Maybe a 7.0 “426”. Will have more power but still be lighter than a cummins
In what scenario is 410/429 not enough power? The truck isn't sprung for heavy hauling or heavy towing, and I'm pretty sure it's plenty of power for any rock crawling you will ever due. Last time I was at Moab in my SXS there was a group of probably 10 Power Wagons there and I was stunned at their abilities in the rocks, and I'm not talking about the little piddly stuff the TFL guys were doing, I'm talking about real rock crawling with 6-7' shelfs and stuff I was going around on my RZR! The GMC would have never come close to traversing much of what they were just crawling over. Most of the Power Wagons looked to be stock or very close to stock! I was seriously impressed!
Razors Edge Adventures I personally don’t care about it in the Power wagon. I just know the same motor would roll over into the non power wagon ram 2500&3500. And ram could use a new big block to compete with the new ford and Chevy HD gas trucks
@@toofastnobrakes I couldn't agree with you more... Rumors are our there that they are going to do exactly that.
We have a 73 dodge power wagon W-250 4x4, 4" suspension lift, 4-speed with lockers front n rear axles, 12,000 lb. Warn " worm gear driven Ramsey winch. Built like a tank. We have pulled out many stuck 4x4's thru the years. All makes, all types. NOTHING LIKE THE OLD SCHOOL 4X4 h.d. trucks.
I really wish GM would ditch the torsion IFS and develop an HD coil over.
As long as they keep the front independent on at least the 3/4 ton I'm all in
GMC Denali 717 I’d be okay with keeping the IFS just develop an HD coil over like they did with the 1500 in 2007.
@@scz718645 Ok now I see where you're going... yes yes yes I love that idea
For day to day driving, that G80 is extremely useful. Pulling away from the side of the road, icy driveways, etc. It kicks in before I'd have time to consider clicking a button. Both types of lockers have their benefits, I've been surprised by how good the G80 is.
yeah. G80s are not That bad at off road too. i'm using one from aftetmarket and have no complaints yet
Yes, for daily driving and variable driving conditions, the g80 works fine. Works fine in my Silverado and never had an issue with traction.
My issue with it off road is that you’ve already lost traction before it kicks in, especially at crawling speeds. So a natural reaction for a driver is to give it some more throttle and then you finally grab traction. That’s a dangerous recipe on tight trails with rocks and trees on either side of you.
I think for the AT4 or Trail Boss trims, they should have included an e-locker just like the ZR2.
@@mikec3454 You make a good point.
@@mikec5820 It comes with the name, Mike C.
This is a good comment. The powerwagon I think has to have the truck in 4lo to use the locker. The g80 works always.
I’m a Chevy boy myself. I love trucks. Especially from the 4 name brands, dodge ,ford ,Chevy ,gmc etc.
Comment down below if you just love trucks
Love the ford f150. America’s favorite son.
I have a little Toyota. I would love anything from the big 3 though.
Love trucks period.
@09fx ¿ Agree
Except honda ridgelines.
These videos make we wish I had a locker on my truck 😕
Well there aftermarket so you can build it the way you want it, better than buying a expensive ass new truck that the note will eat your monthly income. I miss my 98 z71
Lockers are really useful. Get some installed as soon as you can.
video made me wish i had a truck!
@@thirstydogs810 IDK, I have a ZR2, took it off roading over the last 8 months and have needed the lockers once. I think if you have rear lockers and a winch you can get yourself out of any situation.
The 6.7 Cummins is way to heavy in the Ram. The Eco diesel will leave you stranded. That is why!
Great video as usual but you NEED to get microphones.
I’ll take the Tremor. The PW is definitely beast for people often taking an HD on trail journeys though.
Underrated comment!! Bring on that 7.3!!!
I want to see them run it
Tom Orender Me too!
Eddu almeida I cant wait to see some 7.3L action too. The engine is really appealing to me.
GMC front end to the ground: crunch... pricy truck to run aground
I currently have a 2018 gmc duramax 3500 SRW. Before this truck i had the 2017 powerwagon. I RV full time, BLM land, so i'm offroad A LOT. I came the conclusion that the PW is better for pure offroad adventures. The GMC is a more well rounded work truck with off road capabilities. Now, i used to explore in the PW, taking trails like this. But I dont bother to do that in the GMC; the ride is just too rough, it weighs to much. But while pulling the camper the GMC can get me as far back as the powerwagon, considering i'm towing a TT. Now i mountain bike the trails or ride my dual sport, instead of explore in my truck. Trade offs...
They both made it through the trail. AT4 tows like a 3/4 ton while going through trails most people would put it on. The big difference for me is that the AT4 has auto 4wd which I would never go without in the climate I live in.
A 2500 diesel focused more on towing *gasp* blasmy i say. I want to drive off-road unloaded in the only 2 huge enough trails for a HD in the #USA . The ZR2 & canyon AT4 makes sense, light & small for trailing. Like the Jeep & defender. Appearance package makes more sense in this case, to me.
Ya I really don’t understand this class of truck. Too big for 90% of trails. They are claimed off road packages, but the approach, break over, and departure are abysmal compared to an actual off road vehicle. I guess it’s just a marketing thing. Lots are sold, none go off road.
I'm old school I like to pull my 5th wheel/gear confidently and safely. That AT4 will get me through just about any trail. Soon as you ask the Powerwagon to be a heavy duty truck it DO care and you are left with a 21ft jeep wrangler.
Yeah, kinda. It's really rated lower than it should be, and if you toss on some air bag helper springs, it's 90% back to non PW hauling. Not ideal for 5th wheel rig for sure!
I tow a 21' Customweld XXL with a 200HP outboard with all our gear for 2 weeks up the Klutina or Copper River. Our Power Wagon does it with ease. I dont need nor want a hay hauler.
@@woodheat49 I could handle that with my v6 tacoma trd and still not top center on a hill. A 2500 Powerwagon is supposed to have the power. If you put a diesel in it you would have a 500lb payload. 😂. Hey it looks good and I guess thats all that matters.
Chad Singleton Taco is nothing more then a Rav-4 with a bed.
@@chadsingleton7632 You're funny. I bet you use Apple products as well, dont you?
My Customweld weighs 4800 dry without the motor and trailer. Trailer is 1200lbs E-Tec motor is 600lbs plus we take a CanAm 850 XT Max in the bed of the truck along with our gear which is about 1000lbs. Your Taco can only dream of going where we go hauling what we haul. Your Taco wont even haul my ATV in it's bed.
Ive pulled a lot of people like you with Toyotas out of places you think your toy can go. This is Alaska. Not some dry rocky desert. You wouldn't make it across the first Muskeg. Hell I bet you wouldn't make it through the pass we take through the Alaska Range.
I’d have the GMC
It’s a truck I don’t expect it to ride like a car by the way I test drove a Ram and a GMC I picked the GMC
Same here, plus a ford. You can bicker back and forth of GM vs Ford, but am I crazy or did the Ram just feel cheap? All of the plastics felt cheap and flimsy. Both the GMC and Ford felt way more sturdy.
@@garyindi Your crazy. The Ram does not feel cheap.
Jim Diet you must have gotten a keeper then. I’ve seen not one but two rams with 5k miles with the plastic window in front of the gauge cluster cracked. The 1500 I test drove I pushed it made a creaking sound. The GMC and the dodge didn’t do it.
GMC and ford* didn’t make the noise
Whos going to take a $90k truck off road. I know I wouldn't
Neither would I lmao I'd get something cheap for that
Yep, and that’s why it wasn’t build to seriously compete with the Power Wagon.
77k not 90k but either way its not really built for my kind of off roading.
Neither truck is $90k, even with all the options available...
The GMC sure is ugly, tho not as hideous as some of the Chevy's. While not in the same class, my Toyota Tacoma is far better looking.
Been a ram fan for years still got my 5.9 Cummins but in 22 I had to go to the Pacific blue Duramax Crew can..love it
GM completely missed the mark by not putting an e-locker on the AT4 trim or Trail Boss. You’ve already lost traction by the time the G80 kicks in and it’s simply not as controlled as an e-locker.
The AT4 HD looks nicer than the PW, but that’s purely subjective.
You're on the $$$ with the front locker for the AT4, it would be a worthy option...
Both are amazing Trucks! Fun review to watch for sure. But in all honesty, I wouldn’t buy the GMC for off-roading by any means. That truck was engineered for towing and hauling in luxury. Maybe with a small amount of off road capability. The power wagon was built for off road. Not really apples to apples at all, but still fun to watch. Thanks guys!!
As someone else said this was an "appearance package" VS "an off road package".
And yet the GMC went everywhere the PowerWagon went without its front locker, G80 rear, and 700+ pounds more curb weight. Most trucks spend more time working (towing) than playing (trail riding) and GM is focused right.
The power wagon makes sense to me for farmers with huge amounts of land. If your all day off pavement the power wagon is it but if your mostly towing on pavement and then still need to drive your lands the gmc makes more sense.
Power wagon for me... LOVE that thing!!
well im really impress with the gmc that go trough those rocks when they where flexing them for and apperence off-road package the Gmc done it as soon the rear lock engage well done GM and well done Ram for a good off-roader
Nice job guys. Good to see Steve again. Great camera work Tommy
Great video, but come on guys! You drove all the way to Moab, with quite possibly some of the best rock crawling in the world, just to splash through a couple mud puddles and over a little washout to declare an off-road king! I've seen groups of Power Wagons at work in the real Moab and let me tell you, they are impressive to say the least!! The GMC is a really nice truck, but put it on some of the real Moab trails and the only way its getting over the first rock is if the Power Wagon drags it over with its factory installed Warn Winch!
Can't wait for the Chevrolet Siverado ZRX vs Power Wagon should be a great review .
Fermin Carrasco the trail boss could do the same as the power wagon it’s just the gmc is just a towing truck
The trail boss is not even close to the PW.
Ram I know your watching, it's time bring out the cummins power wagon, we know ford and GM got nothing on it!
Yes nothing, oh except the Cummins baby 6 cylinder gas saver is a slow wet old dog!
@@impeccable1648 ya cus 400hp is slow yep
Why would you want a 1k+ lbs up front and no winch?There's a reason the Wagon isn't a diesel.
Fords new powerstroke is pushing more torque now than the cummins wym?
@@1manarmyguzman629 so and your point being? All have plenty enough
Great video guys but we are all waiting for the trimmer by Ford with the 7.3 L
String trimmer?? Id go stihl.
camaro camaro ss lol 😂 thanks
I actually bought the new Milwaukee battery powered string trimmer with a 12.0AH battery and I love it. No more fouled carbs etc. Selling my old Stihl.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 heard those are nice! When my echo dies ill prob go electric.
saw surprising power and longevity with the big Milwaukee m18 battery. Also got the blower and hedge trimmer, chainsaw is next.
The auto companies are getting crazy with the big wheels and front bumper overhang.
Particularly GM with all that plastic up front just make a one piece steel bumper for trucks the reason i miss my 98 z71
And that's why I bought a 2019 Power Wagon!
What color? Just curious 😎
@@MrChadsaw blue, 2019 loaded!
@@MrLuckycentury very nice! I've got a 2017 Rebel and really want a Power Wagon.
Agreed. Love our 2019 Power Wagon.
Love my 19 wagon as well. White Laramie with black decals. If I want to tow a trailer, there are plenty of 6K lb out there.
GMC needs an electronic locker. The G80 was cool when it came out, but now it's old tech. And you just can't beat a solid front axle when off roading.
I just bought a Power Wagon because of this video. Thanks guy!
Powerwagon just don't care...
At 9:13 you mention how 4 low keeps you from turning. I think you meant the lockers keep you from turning? Being in low range and in 4wd doesnt affect the steering. Only locking the differential does.
Both effect steering actually, but lockers are more significant. In a turn the front tracks longer than the rear and without a center diff it binds up and forces tire slip
@@mattg8116 that's true whether in 4hi or 4lo though
And while the GMC does NOT have the front locker, at 11min, once that G80 locked up it was still able to navigate the same line that the Power Wagon did with both front and rear lockers...
While I'll agree the Power Wagon is better suited for O/R activities, the AT4 can do it all, O/R, tow, haul, and is better equipped for all around activities...
2002 GMC 2500HD, 4.5" BDS coilover conversion lift, 33x12.50, w/LB7 Duramax, #7000
2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 w/L5P Duramax, %100 Stock, #8300
The Ram is the pick here. With tech options from the big three, it would be great to add the other competitors features to the Ram. Not that the Ram is lacking.
I have an AT4 1500. Its just a z71 with a factory 2in lift. You wouldn't compare a z71 to a power wagon would you? I wouldn't.... the power wagon is king ding-a-ling off road and has been for while. That being said, this is my favorite TFL channel. Keep 'em comin'
Best video y’all have done in awhile! Get these two along with the raptor and do this exact trail again!
I am a Ram fan, but the power wagon has been and continues to be a major let down, specifically because they limited its capacity to less than their half ton and refuse to offer a diesel option.
Agreed. Like 1500lb payload if that? Ford rangers have like 2200lb payload caps.
We demand Nathan for these videos!
Yeah. Roman doesn't do very well in this setup
We have the Canadian Nathan so we are like half way there 😅
@@tomorender6479 Steven sucks though.
@@tomorender6479 I like Steven.
Man the scenery. Especially at (11 minute mark) incredible. It sucks being in Delaware
If the GMC had the Power Wagon's front axle it would be great. IFS never works offroad with bigger tires without major upgrades and cv shafts.
Ahem, ZR2?
@@kb9oak749 Hopefully it proves me wrong.
Ram trucks are better than any other trucks no doubt. If you want a beautiful, reliable, gas saving truck I suggest a Ram
Imo GM did it best with the 6.2 and the 8.1 that they should bring back
ABSOLUTELY POWER WAGON PERIOD ! ! !
HANDS DOWN ! ! !
Nice comparo of the trade-offs between these two. Seems like the GMC's weight would help the off-road ride (but hurt capability) - I'm thinking the ride comes from the stiffer springs, not weight. The GMC needs at least a rear e-locker on the AT4 (like Chevy needs on the Trail Boss). The Power Wagon needs a diesel option.
I'd like to point out that on the PW, you can install a Tazer Ram module that 'spoofs' 4Lo, so that you can lock the diffs while actually in 4HI. This would be useful in some situations like snow. Justin King (TH-cam: th-cam.com/video/q1vtFL6jnVM/w-d-xo.html) pointed this out to me on the attached video.
One dislike...
WTF WHO DID THAT?!?!
Koton Bads not a fan of trucks 😂
Steve is the weak link here maybe someone just doesn't like him.
@@classicgamescanada true dat
Scotty Kilmer
@@bennyb6071 🤣🤣🤣
The battle continues for second place....
GM (GMC, Chevy) are always going to be the best no doubt about it so go with GM vehicles they look cooler, meaner, louder, and last way longer
FST-7 Vlogs you must not own one of the late generation GMs. Interior is full of plastic even in ltz trim. 8 speed transmission clunking and harsh shifts. The new GMs arent build the same as the early 00s models. I had a 00 Silverado that was flawless. Come 2017 I bought a brand new ltz Z71 midnight edition and that thing was junk.
LOL!
FST-7 Vlogs Last longer???? Lol. Your so cute!!!!
GM/Chevy the best... that’s funny. New chevys are pure crap.how about the trail boss with the cheapest crap lift out there. A body lift is something broke ass dip shits would put in there truck.pure garbage
GM was my thing in the 90's but they could not give me one for free now.
Nice comparison of apples and oranges
Give that Duramax to Whistlin Diesel 😂
WolfWould 😂😂😂😂
Hell yeah
No no no your an idiot that truck is worth more than any of those junk trucks like he hes
I don't see how his trucks last more than 2 weeks
Would it be nice for the ram to have the cummins yes, but it really needs 35in tires from the factory its got the low gears to make them work I think it would really make a big difference
I don't see that as the GMC struggling. It still made it through that pretty well. Not to mention that the two trucks are built for different purposes.
Can't justify the price. But you can get a tradesman with powerwagon package
That's what I have. Saved 9k over real power wagon
that's cool
That’s what mine is. Didn’t even know it when I bought it 😬.
@@bigseff23 Thats a real powerwagon. All thrill, no frill. Only things I wish the tradesman powerwagon had are black bumpers and maybe the nice cameras all around.
Ford also has a lower priced Tremor I like them both I can’t wait for the head to head.
I feel bad for nathan that loved the powerwagon so much
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Power Wagon is literally a Heavy Duty Rubicon lol. This will be my next truck in a few months, wanted to get a Rubicon but for the price I may as well get a Power Wagon instead. Truck bed will come in handy at times, plus the 6.4L hemi sounds fantastic.
Good video. It would have been a GREAT video if you had the Tremor there too.
Please stay tuned
Bring it 😂
All the questions about why the PW doesn't have etc, etc...and then it completely destroys the competition. I guess we know why it doesn't have etc etc.. it doesn't need it.
Well other than a joyride pw is not even close to as good as that gmc truck. They should do a towing challenge. Lol I think why would know who would win that one
@@shitloveaduck So buy a Ram 2500, but don't bash a screwdriver because it's not a wrench. It's obviously a purpose built vehicle...to go off road.
Jerry Perez “It would have no chance” well that is certainly your opinion, I think we can both agree we have a bias, which is ok. But a real “ideal” challenge would be the GMC Sierra2500/3500HD Against Dodge2500/3500HD that would be an interesting one. Btw I don’t know what you mean by “my feelings”
Jerry Perez a good off-road challenge would be between the pw and the canyon
For how often someone would take these trucks off road, I’d take the GMC any day! The majority of the time people drive on paved road, and with what the gmc has is better for me.
I love how they used a off road truck made for off road vs a towing truck used for towing that has a little bit of off road stuff on it offroad. They could have used a chevy trail boss. This test was BS.
The Trail Boss is a half ton truck competing in the Raptor/Rebel market segment; therefore, this comparison was as good as it gets for GM. Sorry!
Jeremiah Scott EXACTLY
Do you want an out of the box serious off road truck or a heavy duty truck with the off road package. I could see why certain buyers would like/dislike either one.
I noticed a few times the GMC went a different approach than the RAM. 🤔
I got a ram 2500 Cummins with the off road package. Bilstein shocks with 17,000 towing.
Power Wagon
GMC is such a nice looking truck they finally nailed it I have a 06" lbz duramax/6spd Allison
nailed the exterior... that I'll agree with. I absolutely love the exterior of the new GMC (minus maybe the new mirror design) I just wish they would have actually upgraded the interior vs. a tiny refresh. I love my 17' Silverado btw... not throwing shade.
The powerwagon is the jeep Rubicon of pickups that the GMC and other manufacturers should be doing, equipped with both locking differentials for front and rear axles to go anywhere. And i like GM since the womb.
HOW full was the DPF after all this ideling
Is it a pain in the ass to clean the DPF on a ram?
Florida Man this one was a Gas rig so it doesn’t have one... but depending on the year yes and some of them won’t allow you to force a regen.
Probably hardly at all
Chris Conway I doubt that, idling and crawling no highways speeds. Do that routine a bunch and you’re asking for problems.
@@alaska-bornfloridaman More annoying than hard... just costs a shit ton in fuel
Having owned many GM products and Now a new PW, the GM feels like a swatch watch and the pw feels like a rolex. Such a difference in feel. Both work but it feels like gm came from a vending machine. Furthermore, on my last two suburbans I needed an engine at 104,000mi and a transmission in the other at 160,000mi. While I understand that that is quite a lot of miles, they were all interstate miles and less than three years old. The leather aka plastic in both started cracking within 50,000 miles. The rubber coating on the plastic area of the steering wheel started pealing almost immediately. The dash had cracked around the airbag area after just two years and the “chrome” plastic on the body had started to bubble. While these were partially covered under warranty I find it absurd. On my PW, it is two months old. I have around 10,000 miles. The R fell off of RAM when I shut the hood. The radio will not hold its presets. The back window clicks loudly when I open it but i think that is the worst of it. It feels like such a better made vehicle. With at said, I am very skeptical of the transmission but only time will tell.
Hello boys! As usual great job! Where do I apply? Which one is better? As much as I like the Ram PW, why would I, or anyone buy a HD truck to off-road? If that was the case I’d buy a ZR2 Diesel! But that AT4 GMC HD, is very nice for all around heavy full sized pickup trucks! As it did take you through everything the PW did, without pushing any buttons, sure it rides harder, but what if you had say a nice high quality Truck Camper slid in the bed? Like a beautiful Northern Lite at around a thousandth lbs or so less than the trucks over all load capacity? That, with auxiliary fuel tank would make a great overland Camping Rig. With plenty of hauling capacity left over for a full load of liquids, a friend or significant other and maybe a child or two?
Not sure who would do this with an $80,000 new truck.....but I would take the GMC Duramax on any day- it’s a towing beast. Probably explains why it has street tires on it from the factory. Oh well.....
The Power Wagon should come with 35s off the factory. That's one of the main things anyone with a PW would want to change. 37s would be great but 35s should suffice for a factory tire for that truck. I think most of us can agree on that. Right?
I agree, but with 35" duratracs the gmc performs better on this trail as well.
Wind Noise was regrettable. But the video was still fun to watch
It seems more like the power wagon is the best recovery vehicle for your other toys. If your Jeeps or side by sides get stuck you bring the power wagon that can tow any of your toys to the trail so you can pull them out easily
I see a lot more GMC trucks sitting along the interstates and on flatbeds than Powerwagons, That's got to mean something
Right you do! Lol. Also there aren't a large amount of powerwagons sold
@@EGGINFOOLS Since I drive for a living, I see what I see. I guess I should have worded it "GMC and Chevy Trucks in general vs Dodge Trucks" Being old school power wagon was what Dodge trucks use all be. And to add to that My last Dodge was a pile of Junk, 3 transmissions in under 60k miles. My dealer told me it was because of the way I drove it. I guess sticking to the speed limit of 35-40 mph was the wrong way. But at least it would wouldn't give up till I came to a dead stop someplace. Dead being the correct term since once you stopped it was dead in the water so to speak
@@KMBlaster Yeah. They all do have their issues and the issues get more expensive. I'll keep my 03 as long as I can! Stay safe on the roads
It's a shame GMs off road edition truck is just an appearance package with better, but not good tires.
I’m a Chevy guy, but just bought a ‘19 Tacoma trd 6 speed. But the at4 is just like z71 now. Just an appearance package. Almost all gm trucks for the past 20 years have g80 lockers. And all the 4x4s have 4low and tow hooks. No advantage from an 03 4x4 duramax. The power wagon is clearly the winner off-road
Half ton AT4 gets a small lift ,chin spoiler delete and Duratracs.
Damn I wish I lived in the US
Sure, the Power Wagon is better at Off Road from the factory but with a few upgrades on GMC and mechanical changes they would be comparable. Also worth mentioning the GMC could tow three power wagons I think. Both trucks are great for what they do and if you want to do SERIOUS off roading then buy a jeep.
Power Wagon all day every day. That PW is the spittin' image of mine.
You guys should compare a 80s full size pickup to a new mid size pickup just to show how much bigger trucks have gotten
Before I watched this video I knew the outcome. I'm no engineer! But to put a diesel in a power wagon, it will never be a off road truck. They would have to totally redesign it to do what the gas engine does. Way to much money if they did that. Great video even though I knew the outcome. For me me if I could only afford one it would be the AT4.