@@AJsMillions No cause she's literally giving him a monologue that loops back into "The Talk" which is something that's super cultural specific. It's really a beautiful representation of a mother's love. 😢
It's so cool that even Lord and Miller initially said the Spot was too silly to be the main villain. But then they thought about it and realized that it was the point of the character to not be taken seriously at first and then be a gradual threat. And it was executed brilliantly. He's one of my favorite villains of the year.
I love how he starts as a burk but by the end he's a truly terrifying villain. The black spot with the soundtrack cutting straight through you is perfect
Fun fact: the spot in the comics is the first villain spidey encountered that was able to beat him to in their first encounter (aka he should be one of the few that actually pose danger to spidey)
17:16 Miles not turning invisible, was part of his plan. He was trying to lure people away from the clubhouse so it’d be easier to sneak in and be able to go home. He knew if all the Spider-Man were to leave at the same time it was causing major jam. It’s hard to hunt one individual when there’s over 5000 Spider-Man in your way. PS I love cinema-sins.
Pretty sure the machine displays what universe he was sent to, no idea why they didn't check since Miguel was super "by the book he wrote" lol why bother announcing that he got bit by a spider from another universe and not bother to send people to the universe the spider was from also? Dude was all kinds of out of whack in the end. Bruised Ego
Fun Fact: Spencer Wan, one of the animators for the film, used spam emails he received as background textures for Hobie Brown's animation throughout the film.
What I love about this movie is you just can't take anything for granted. Hobbie is used as a gag in his opening scene and then it slowly falls away and reveals that of everyone in the story, HE is the one that supports what Miles is doing the most. His character is EVERYTHING Miles is gunning for - freedom, breaking down the system and finding your own path.
You can even see him steal the tech to build the watch he gives to Gwen later when he talks to miles and if you look at his words he clearly put in miles the idea to not trust the spider society, the man know our gang would rebel and just needed a little help
@@Antonio-ys5zdHe's not attempting to commit genocide. He's doing something that comes with the side effect of genocide. Which is definitely not much better, but an important distinction for his motivations.
I don't care how hypocritical it might be when you overanalyze it but "I don't believe in consistency" is honestly one of the funniest one off moments in the whole film and the fact that banter like this comes out numerous times in hi energy fights is why this is one of if not the best adaptations of Spider Man. It's so frigain amusing and fun and somehow you never miss any of the jokes OR the action happening at the same time. It's kinetic and witty and I love it!
Except the line isn't hypocritical. It's a blatant lie. The illusion of inconsistency lets him act in ways that don't seem to make sense without raising too much suspicion. For an anarchist trying to overthrow a fascist government like Hobie is in his own universe, this makes sense.
@@Antonio-ys5zd that's what I was saying. Him saying he doesn't believe in consistency is a strategy that often lets him do what he wants. Not because he thinks his anarchy doesn't have consistency, but because the uninformed will let him get away with things that they might not otherwise if he pretends to be inconsistent.
It's a little sad not to acknowledge Gwen's emotional state changing the background of her world. It's an amazing effect that does a great job of conveying the emotion of the scene, similar to how music typically does.
It was because of miles collider incident that Miguel created the spider society so it’s not a sin that they didn’t show up to beat kingpin because there wasn’t a problem with this before then. Miguel is shown in the post credits making the first portal watch AFTER noticing the anomalies from the events of the first movie.
So you're saying that in less than 16 months Miguel learned about the "Canon", discovered and built a way to jump dimensions, built a big Spider-Man meeting place, recruited 500+ Spider-Man variants and manufactured a dimension-jumping bracelet for each of them?
@@spencerworkman yep that’s what the movies want you to believe, but I mean that’s the least to worry about when there are infinite universes of weirdos that dress up as spiders and fight crime.
@@spencerworkman Tbh, I think he was learning about the cannon much earlier. Notice every universe Spot went to, happened to have an Alchemex. Which just happened to have a dimension smasher they were developing. Not like these things are rare. And I seriously doubt Miles was the “original anomaly” or anything.
@@spencerworkmanPlus adult Peter Parker has a presumably 5 month old baby (16 months minus 9 for the pregnancy ) being intelligent enough to use a web slinger.
Well one COULD argue that if Miles hadn't become Spiderman, the Spot situation might not have happened- or, at the very least, he wouldn't have been part of it. So then Spot wouldn't want revenge and go after Miles' dad. Also, Miles helped his dad catch quite a few criminals which would have directly impacted his father's success at work leading to him getting promoted. If one wanted to have that debate.
Yeah, also Gwen is at fault too and indirectly made the Spot and the situation worse if she didn't go see Miles or if they didn't meet in the first movie, right?
@bradwhite5884 Sorry I can't tell if you're being sarcastic with your comment cos I think Gwen played little part in causing everything that happens with Spot. Her involvement in the multiverse stuff is only a consequence of the collider event in the first movie
@@Antonio-ys5zd But that shouldn't even happen. Since Miles was never supposed to become Spider-Man, it also shouldn't be a canon event that his father dies. Because the death of someone close is apparently an important part of being Spider-Man.
@@villehankipohja7293 Especially since the canon of that universe has already broken. Miguel says that the Peter Parker of that universe wasn't supposed to die. So his death broke the canon. And yet the universe was just fine. The only time we see that breaking canon destroys the universe is when someone from ANOTHER universe is the one to break it.
2:46 My understanding is that Miguel's team did not get formed until after the events of the first movie. Peter B. Parker was there when Miguel's replacement world evaporated, and I think that was the event that caused Miguel to start the Spider Society. it's highly unlikely that Peter B. Parker saw this occur before the events of Into the Spiderverse.
Also, Spiderman has multiple canon events and not just one, also saving one person or a whole universe is not just for Spiderman but to all super heroes in general and what happened in this movie would apply to all super hero movies involving time travel and multiverse tbh
In the movie didn't they make it clear that all this happened because of the events in Miles's universe? Mean Miguel didn't have a team until Miles got bit
5:59 Fun fact, Ganke Lee (Miles’ friend and resident “man in the chair”) is playing Sony’s Spider-Man video game during this scene. You can tell by the way the characters move and the setting of the game. Though we can’t tell which of the three it was, it would be absolutely *perfect* if he was playing Spider-Man Miles. For this little detail here, I would remove a sin.
To me, it looks like he's playing the first one. Mostly because he's definitely playing as Peter and Spider Man 2 was not out at the time of release or whenever they animated that scene. Still though, it's really cool.
9:20 I had the exact same thought in theaters. UNTIL I watched the rest of the movie. Miguel's crew is actively guarding "the canon" which includes the death of Gwen Stacy. So, at least as far as they know, yes, it does happen in every universe. The thesis of the film seems to be agreeing with you that that's dumb. That's literally the point.
Except that during the film breaks in "canon" destroy the universe instead of what the rest of everything they put out says which is it just creates more timelines. unless ofcourse they plan to add the time bureau and the breaks in cannon just had a TA hop in and prune the universe.
Someone said it was going to end with the cliffhanger of Miles being tied up and threatened by the Prowler, but that wasn't satisfying so they had Gwen form a band to go rescue/help Miles. Still couldn't find the male equivalent to "damsel in distress;" maybe "dude in distress?"
The scenes he skips are ones that have no glaring flaw in his opinion. Taking away “sins” is merely a way of expressing that the critic finds the scene impressive.
If I have any nitpicks, and I mean ANY nitpicks, this film ought to have a warning label for those who are prone to epileptic seizures. That one aside, IT'S PHENOMENAL!!!
I feel like the animation in these movies doesn't get nearly enough credit. I mean it's simply gorgeous. Like every single frame of the movie could be printed, framed and hung on a wall.
I'd like to point out that technically, Mayday is a result of Miles getting bit as well, asbecause he helped help Peter B Parker get his head on straight, he hooked back up with Mary Jane and had Mayday when he got back to his own universe, something that did look like was going to happen anytime soon based upon what we saw of Peter B's life. This means she might be a few months or even years off when she should have been born in 'canon,' therefore it could be argued that she isn't a 'canon event' and is a disruption to the timeline because of the butterfly effect.
But Peter having kids with Mary Jane is, sadly, not a canon event. The main comic continuity saw them split up (and that, fwiw, is why I never want to see Mephisto in the MCU - even if No Way Home kinda did the same plot already but in a less traumatic, more sensible way). And there's now at least one timeline beyond this movie where Peter and MJ do work out. So there's no strict canon for that relationship beyond the fact that they tend to meet.
In this film, a canon event is caused by Spot and several spider-people's interference in a foreign dimension. It's as if the timing of a canon event isn't fixed, only the fact that it will happen at all.
I'm surprised you sinned Miles messing with Gwen's watch and not Gwen opening his figure or looking through his sketchbook first, as well as acknowledging his uncle's death from the first movie because I thought I was the only one who noticed that. But overall amazing commentary and I hope to see more amazing videos like this one in the future!
17:11 Oh, actually, I do have an answer for this part, he was deliberately luring away all the spider people away from the spider teleporter thing so he could get it, so that's why he never turned invisible when he was escaping. Just when he successfully got them into a dog pile far away from the base.
@@DangerouslySilly You are… Quite judgmental. It’s not like their opinion is harmful to anyone. But yours is. I suggest apologizing to them for going personal over nothing.
Not enough sins removed for the animation, the music, some of the humor, and the excellent action sequence involving Miles being chased by hundreds of Spider-Man variations. And I found that some of the sins presented here were whether explained by the film itself or are actually sticking points in the overall thesis behind "Miles shouldn't be Spider-Man."
10:54 Cause spider-sense warns about, you know, danger and threats. I doubt she considers Miles as either of those. That's why Venom is usually invisible to it, cause the symbiote spent so much time attached to Peter. 19:43 Of course he is. That's the only way they could figure out to make his design stand out from all the other Spiders - give him a pink bathrobe and a baby. He doesn't even wear his mask once. His daughter wears one more than he does.
Spider Society was founded after the events of the first Spider-Verse film because destroying Kingpin’s collider is what tore all those holes in the multiverse to begin with.
I understand your opinion on the matter. Many people agree with you. But remember to just keep it harmless, and I can continue to respect it if you do.
7:03 Oh my god I never noticed but that shows that the spider was yanked from its own dimension RIGHT WHEN IT WAS GOING TO BITE MILES 42! It's literally crawling across his desk.
You know full well that Gwen said “every *other* universe” and not “every universe”. But I agree that Spot’s motive for being Miles’ nemesis is wack, cause it was all out of Miles’ control.
I'm sinning this video and everyone behind it for not taking off more sins for the movie in general *but especially* for the animators who were worked to the bone yet still poured so much love into every frame that they ended up creating what is easily one of the most uniquely and brilliantly animated films of all time.
Absolutely love this movie and it’s soundtrack, both are amazing. Saw it 4 times in cinema, and you can give it as many sins as you want still one of my fav movies ever, can’t wait for the final movie.
When i left the theatre i was so mad. Not necessarily because it was unfinished as a story, but because the writers strike indicated that the finale was on an indefinite hiatus. So we should expect to have a few years before it comes out unless it gets rushed which might hurt quality.
@@chaosryans I’m cautious of the proposed release date, but i’m pretty certain they know that they have the potential for one of the best trilogy of films of all time on their hands. Even if it takes a bit longer, if it continues in the trend of quality from the first to the second movie i’m more than willing to wait. Have to wait for GTA6, why not for this 😭
This movie was great right up until the sudden ending. "Incomplete movies" indeed. If you want to end your movie in the middle of a story (or right as things are getting interesting) at least give the movie title a "Part One" so that people know going into it that it's probably going to end abruptly and without a satisfying ending.
I agree. I walked into the movie unaware it was part 1, and I was absolutely FURIOUS at the "to be continued". That deserved an infinite number of sins.
I’ve rewatched this like three times but the intro with Jeremy going ONE MINUTE AND ELEVEN SECONDS OF LOGOS shows his descent into madness and I appreciate hearing it every single time.
The fact that Gwen’s dad pulled a goddamn gun on his own daughter was outrageous. Also on what charges was he even arresting her ? Saving the day by almost sacrificing herself? Gwen’s dad was equally worse to J Jonah Jameson if not more. Also Gwen does have a really big heart to forgive her dad for that. Other than that, the movie was simply awesome!!!!!
Based on the movie, I think the charge would've been for the murder of her Peter Parker when the building collapsed on him. From his point of view, he saw her hold his dead body so he assumed spider-woman killed him
Didn’t Miguel find the technology to dimension-jump AFTER the events of the first movie? He had to set up the strike force IN RESPONSE to the Kingpin event? That’d explain Peter B having an established relationship with Miguel if Peter B is a consultant for this. Not to mention the rest of the gang. He could’ve excluded Gwen because he knew she’d be raring to get back to Miles if she knew she could go to his dimension. About them sending Gwen to 1610: my headcanon/theory is that it was a test or form of agreement that Jess made with Miguel. That basically if Gwen proved herself to be capable (which she must have and she is) then she can be shortlisted or considered eligible for a mission to 1610, should one pop up, especially since she has experience there. It would have been on the condition she doesn’t see him and that she can only go there for missions only (remember she’s stayed over at Hobies at least once) - but she saw Miles anyway. Why she came in her civilian clothes, I don’t know, probably under “fitting in” while she stakes out Spot without making a ruckus about another spider person being seen in Brooklyn. I can imagine Jess fighting with Miguel on it for ages and negotiating with him until he gives in and let’s her have ONE chance.
I remember when me and my mum first watched this she couldn’t stop laughing at the introduction of the Indian spider man given we are Indian and she could probably understand the joke better than most people
17:35 the black connection is real. I’m not saying this was the writer’s intention, but personally, Id have to pause before imprisoning another black person…universe be damned
Didnt see the whole video yet, but if there isn't 400 sins for releasing half a movie while not marketing it as a part 1 I will be... Miles MoralPISSED
"Why isn’t he invisible during the escape?" He’s leading them out of the building! And for the many times cinemasins says that they should have stoped Miles getting bit its literally shown that Miguel invents the multiversal travel device at the end of the first movie
2:54 Or hear me out her, maybe it was because the Spider-society as a whole was built on the foundation of the existence of a certain Gizmo that we saw in the post-credit scene of the last film Aslo in 11:16 I thought the screen on the gizmo WAS the alert. Was it not??
I’m still tripping over the fact that thousands of advanced spider people tried to jump a 15 year old and still got cooked! 😂😂 Damn, this movie is awesome!
@chimera9818 dude, did you think carefully about what you're saying? They would have stopped him effortlessly because he is the main character, writers can't let that happen. Remember Spider-Man & Dr Strange in the Mirror dimension? Yea Main character
Actually not, in real world elite athlets practice high level sports until they are about to give birth, and some even start giving birth while working out and they are not spiderwomen❤
17:12 because it was part of his plan to lure the other spider people away, so he could use the machine to send him home. He definitely couldn't have pulled it off if they were all there
the moment at 12:07 isn't supposed to be the fact that Hobie wasn't speaking English. Pav said "its English for" because Hobie is from England and is English, they just used the term English instead of British.
@@Abyss_Princess No, spider sense is supposed to always detect all threats (excluding venom). Spider people are still affected by shock, so when they’re alerted to an attack k by someone they trust, they still get surprised and can freeze up
11:00 the Spider Sense only goes off when the person is in danger. If Miles was about to hit her while he was stealth'd she probably would have known then.
The purpose of the story is for us to QUESTION the Canon Event storyline ... how do you or you writers miss the point of "every spider-man need to do this" and not picking up that we are meant to question that.
Exactly! Remember how Miguel said that the Peter Parker of Miles' universe wasn't supposed to die? If that's not a canon breaking event, then what is? The only time breaking this canon results in the destruction of the universe, it's because someone from an entirely different universe was involved.
@@heatherreagan8078 My understanding is that the "canon events" are like Doctor Who's "fixed points in time" and only apply to the specific commonalities listed. So long as he'd already made it out the other end of the last one, it wouldn't cause that specific kind of problem. Something similar happens in the Doctor Strange "What if" story, when he tries to save his wife's life as well.
I saw someone point out that "Spidey Senses" give Spiderman a fantastic advantage specifically for defense. It helps you avoid attacks, but it doesn't really help at all when you're trying to apprehend someone and that's what allows me to excuse Miles going up against hundreds of Spidermen and successfully escape because all he did was defense.
my current head canon is that most of the spider people don't REALLY believe in Miguel's way of doing things, "the good of the many outweighs the good of the few" is so not spiderman that i can't believe that that many follow it that heavily and that most of them in Miles's shoes would do the exact same. So while they may not have conscientiously "let" him escape they also weren't REALLY trying to catch him thus allowing him to escape
18:09 fr. if spot killing Jeff is a canon event, why was Gwen sent to stop spot at all? Miguel could’ve left him alone and it would happen the way he wanted
And the canon events change depending on what happens For example pavitr probably wa sgonna have inspector singh die a different way, but instead he was gonna die to the spot Gwen wouldve stopped the spot and then miles dad would have died anyway, but she wasnt able to stop him
2:45 this might just be for comedic effect, but either way, isn't it insinuated that Miguel started all that 'spider society' stuff AFTER the collider? Miles was the original anomaly, so all anomalies came from him (and he was only an anomaly when he got bit because his spider was from another dimension). And, Peter B was there during the destruction of the dimension of Miguel's daughter which isn't as important but still says something. Also kudos to Miguel for being able to group hundreds of spider people and start all that Miguel Mouse's Clubhouse stuff in a year, likely less if what I'm saying is actually true
Actually Ned is a villain in the comic books, he was hobgoblin a couple of times. He even went on to train in sorcery with Mordo, hence why in No Way Home, it showed him being able to open Portals similar to Strange and Mordo
The only things I disliked of this movie were: 1. They exaggerated a bit with Gwen's dimension. 2. They created many plots and arcs and ended the movie without ending any of them unlike the first movie.
Dude…The task force was created AFTER miles got bit and the events of ITSV. I don’t know why you are thinking the spider society was here before, when it was shown at the end of the first movie that Miguel reacted to everything that happened after it happened, then had the prototype for the portal travel device. This is such an easy thing to know and you somehow are just under the assumption that everyone was already in the spider society before the events of the first movie, and could have stopped everything that happened. This is just idiotic.
Ngl It was really frustrating seeing Gwen play with Miles’ emotions by going to see him after so long only to tell him he can’t join the spider society without explaining why
2:54 Miguel didn’t have a strike team at this point. He only invented the watches immediately after the events of the first movie, hence the after credits scene of that movie.
For all the sins for the spider society didn’t stop miles from getting bit, Miguel didn’t even have his own watch until after all the events in the first film happen, let alone there be a spider society to stop miles from being bit.
at 10:54 i think Gwen doesn't detect Miles because she isn't being threatened. From my knowledge, the spidey sense "activates" when hostility is detected. Miles was just roaming around with zero intention of hurting her (obviously) therefore her spidey sense didn't have the "need" to detect him.
10:45 you criticize him leaving his clothes on the fire escape but not that the fireescape doesn't connect to ANY windows? 😅 like who is gonna use it? Do i have to teleport through the concrete wall first? 😂
Not only did miles lose his uncle but also watched the spider man from his universe die, movie deserves 3 sins for trying to put miles through 3x the trauma
Well the original Peter Parker saw Gwen being killed by the Goblin, lost his uncle and many more trauma, it keeps him going the right way all the time.
16:33 if miles wasn’t bit, his dad would become captain but wouldn’t die. The reason his dad is dying is because that’s a canon event for spider people to lose the police captain, and because it’s revenge for the spot, if miles wasn’t Spider-Man then his dad wouldn’t have to die when he becomes captain
You shouldn't have sinned any of the points where you said "Why didn't you stop Miles from doing x in movie 1". The movie explains that Into the Spiderverse was the inciting incident for what Miguel is doing now.
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The part where Gwen walks upside down and the camera turns 180 degrees with Miles joining her totally deserves a sin off.
I think Rio’s monologue to Mile’s too. Haven’t been able to watch that scene once without atleast tearing up
Isn't it just a re-used nuance from the first movie? I'd call that a sin on.
@@AJsMillions No cause she's literally giving him a monologue that loops back into "The Talk" which is something that's super cultural specific. It's really a beautiful representation of a mother's love. 😢
@@13Kira13No moment is without sin >;)
How is she sticking to the building with shoes on?????
It's so cool that even Lord and Miller initially said the Spot was too silly to be the main villain. But then they thought about it and realized that it was the point of the character to not be taken seriously at first and then be a gradual threat. And it was executed brilliantly. He's one of my favorite villains of the year.
Like what has been done with characters like Polka-Dot Man or Sportsmaster or Kite Man. A character is only as lame as the effort you put into it.
too many Spiderman's too many Spider-verses am I right ?
I love how he starts as a burk but by the end he's a truly terrifying villain. The black spot with the soundtrack cutting straight through you is perfect
And there you are the bandwagon fans
Fun fact: the spot in the comics is the first villain spidey encountered that was able to beat him to in their first encounter (aka he should be one of the few that actually pose danger to spidey)
17:16 Miles not turning invisible, was part of his plan. He was trying to lure people away from the clubhouse so it’d be easier to sneak in and be able to go home. He knew if all the Spider-Man were to leave at the same time it was causing major jam. It’s hard to hunt one individual when there’s over 5000 Spider-Man in your way. PS I love cinema-sins.
Couldn't they disconnect the power source from the machine too?
I don't think you realize that they're nitpicking, which is the main point of the channel.
Pretty sure the machine displays what universe he was sent to, no idea why they didn't check since Miguel was super "by the book he wrote" lol why bother announcing that he got bit by a spider from another universe and not bother to send people to the universe the spider was from also? Dude was all kinds of out of whack in the end. Bruised Ego
@@InfiniteDeWittit "became" part of the channel a certain point after people realized that these sins are retarded
@@InfiniteDeWitti dont think you realize that the point of this comment was to nitpick… see how you sound
Fun Fact: Spencer Wan, one of the animators for the film, used spam emails he received as background textures for Hobie Brown's animation throughout the film.
So Hobie isn't a British POC and is actually a Nigerian Prince?
@@TheCunningStuntthis was so unexpectedly hilarious thank you
Thats really cool. I noticed that he looked like he had words on him throughout the movie but i thought they were newspapers or something
@@TheCunningStunti lovw u
Does that mean that The Renaissance Vulture was from his universe?
the fact this isn't 2 minutes is Wild
200 minutes*
@@MikiMals naw not at all 💀
Yeah?
Nah but he needs ad revenue
“No movie goes without sin*.”
*except Troll 2
What I love about this movie is you just can't take anything for granted. Hobbie is used as a gag in his opening scene and then it slowly falls away and reveals that of everyone in the story, HE is the one that supports what Miles is doing the most. His character is EVERYTHING Miles is gunning for - freedom, breaking down the system and finding your own path.
Now you need to just start listening to Rancid and you can get on Hobies level.
You can even see him steal the tech to build the watch he gives to Gwen later when he talks to miles and if you look at his words he clearly put in miles the idea to not trust the spider society, the man know our gang would rebel and just needed a little help
So you think Hobie wants to commit genocide to like Miles is attempting?
@@Antonio-ys5zdHe's not attempting to commit genocide. He's doing something that comes with the side effect of genocide. Which is definitely not much better, but an important distinction for his motivations.
@@SofosProject he knows the effect if he commits to his actions. That is a committed to genocide
I don't care how hypocritical it might be when you overanalyze it but "I don't believe in consistency" is honestly one of the funniest one off moments in the whole film and the fact that banter like this comes out numerous times in hi energy fights is why this is one of if not the best adaptations of Spider Man. It's so frigain amusing and fun and somehow you never miss any of the jokes OR the action happening at the same time. It's kinetic and witty and I love it!
Except the line isn't hypocritical. It's a blatant lie. The illusion of inconsistency lets him act in ways that don't seem to make sense without raising too much suspicion. For an anarchist trying to overthrow a fascist government like Hobie is in his own universe, this makes sense.
@@Taiyougetsu13hmm even sticking to his anarchist style is still a consistent behavior
@@Antonio-ys5zd that's what I was saying. Him saying he doesn't believe in consistency is a strategy that often lets him do what he wants. Not because he thinks his anarchy doesn't have consistency, but because the uninformed will let him get away with things that they might not otherwise if he pretends to be inconsistent.
@@Taiyougetsu13Thought that was the joke though
That line is going to end up in a laxative commercial. Just watch!
I watched this film at the cinema three times, and I have no regrets! It's definitely one of my favourite sequels of all time.
Are you british
SAME, I loved it so much, I’m going to buy the movie and watch it again.
I don’t regret watching it in theaters as well!
Same! I could have gone easily 2 more times but I decided to refrain, that’s how good this movie is.
I watched it on tiktok live because those streams were all over, saved me a trip to the theatre
I would have give a sin off for the end credit sequence. It was so gorgeous and it had a lot of emotional weight
I don’t think this guy likes having emotional weight on him.
lol@@patrickmao9406
yep
It's a little sad not to acknowledge Gwen's emotional state changing the background of her world. It's an amazing effect that does a great job of conveying the emotion of the scene, similar to how music typically does.
he knows don’t worry
Yes that is exactly what I want in an animated spider man multi verses movie... emotions 🤦♂️ not over 200 spidermen doing impossible things😂
@@austinkruger290 lol 14 yo ahh comment
It was because of miles collider incident that Miguel created the spider society so it’s not a sin that they didn’t show up to beat kingpin because there wasn’t a problem with this before then. Miguel is shown in the post credits making the first portal watch AFTER noticing the anomalies from the events of the first movie.
They have to make up sins or they wouldn’t have a channel. None of this is meant to be taken seriously.
So you're saying that in less than 16 months Miguel learned about the "Canon", discovered and built a way to jump dimensions, built a big Spider-Man meeting place, recruited 500+ Spider-Man variants and manufactured a dimension-jumping bracelet for each of them?
@@spencerworkman yep that’s what the movies want you to believe, but I mean that’s the least to worry about when there are infinite universes of weirdos that dress up as spiders and fight crime.
@@spencerworkman
Tbh, I think he was learning about the cannon much earlier. Notice every universe Spot went to, happened to have an Alchemex. Which just happened to have a dimension smasher they were developing. Not like these things are rare.
And I seriously doubt Miles was the “original anomaly” or anything.
@@spencerworkmanPlus adult Peter Parker has a presumably 5 month old baby (16 months minus 9 for the pregnancy ) being intelligent enough to use a web slinger.
0:14 Even if the logos sequence is over a minute, you gotta admit the designs for them are awesome
Many people have the ideology that if they’re here to watch a movie, they aren’t really wanting wasted time.
Is that ominous music in the background makes it so much better
Well one COULD argue that if Miles hadn't become Spiderman, the Spot situation might not have happened- or, at the very least, he wouldn't have been part of it. So then Spot wouldn't want revenge and go after Miles' dad. Also, Miles helped his dad catch quite a few criminals which would have directly impacted his father's success at work leading to him getting promoted. If one wanted to have that debate.
Yeah, also Gwen is at fault too and indirectly made the Spot and the situation worse if she didn't go see Miles or if they didn't meet in the first movie, right?
Even if Miles stops the Spot from killing his father the collapse of the universe still kills his father so the Spot wins no matter what
@bradwhite5884 Sorry I can't tell if you're being sarcastic with your comment cos I think Gwen played little part in causing everything that happens with Spot. Her involvement in the multiverse stuff is only a consequence of the collider event in the first movie
@@Antonio-ys5zd But that shouldn't even happen. Since Miles was never supposed to become Spider-Man, it also shouldn't be a canon event that his father dies. Because the death of someone close is apparently an important part of being Spider-Man.
@@villehankipohja7293 Especially since the canon of that universe has already broken. Miguel says that the Peter Parker of that universe wasn't supposed to die. So his death broke the canon. And yet the universe was just fine. The only time we see that breaking canon destroys the universe is when someone from ANOTHER universe is the one to break it.
2:46 My understanding is that Miguel's team did not get formed until after the events of the first movie. Peter B. Parker was there when Miguel's replacement world evaporated, and I think that was the event that caused Miguel to start the Spider Society. it's highly unlikely that Peter B. Parker saw this occur before the events of Into the Spiderverse.
Also, Spiderman has multiple canon events and not just one, also saving one person or a whole universe is not just for Spiderman but to all super heroes in general and what happened in this movie would apply to all super hero movies involving time travel and multiverse tbh
Bs world didn't disappear
Thank you, this was exactly what I was going to say. How did CS miss something so crucial from the first film?
... Maybe he needed more recaps..
In the movie didn't they make it clear that all this happened because of the events in Miles's universe? Mean Miguel didn't have a team until Miles got bit
@@MrSwccguy Sorry, I used a pronoun instead of Miguel's name which made the comment kind of vague. Please read it again.
5:59 Fun fact, Ganke Lee (Miles’ friend and resident “man in the chair”) is playing Sony’s Spider-Man video game during this scene. You can tell by the way the characters move and the setting of the game. Though we can’t tell which of the three it was, it would be absolutely *perfect* if he was playing Spider-Man Miles. For this little detail here, I would remove a sin.
To me, it looks like he's playing the first one. Mostly because he's definitely playing as Peter and Spider Man 2 was not out at the time of release or whenever they animated that scene. Still though, it's really cool.
9:20 I had the exact same thought in theaters. UNTIL I watched the rest of the movie. Miguel's crew is actively guarding "the canon" which includes the death of Gwen Stacy. So, at least as far as they know, yes, it does happen in every universe. The thesis of the film seems to be agreeing with you that that's dumb. That's literally the point.
Except that during the film breaks in "canon" destroy the universe instead of what the rest of everything they put out says which is it just creates more timelines. unless ofcourse they plan to add the time bureau and the breaks in cannon just had a TA hop in and prune the universe.
Okay, but we all agree he skipped the Prowler!Miles scenes because he would be erasing sins like hell for it, right? RIGHT?
Someone said it was going to end with the cliffhanger of Miles being tied up and threatened by the Prowler, but that wasn't satisfying so they had Gwen form a band to go rescue/help Miles. Still couldn't find the male equivalent to "damsel in distress;" maybe "dude in distress?"
I'm not really that familiar with Prowler other than Insomniac's version so it was pretty underwhelming for me personally
@@sandal_thong8631 "Distressed Dude" is the TV Tropes page for it!
The scenes he skips are ones that have no glaring flaw in his opinion. Taking away “sins” is merely a way of expressing that the critic finds the scene impressive.
Let's all agree to call him "Miles Prowler"
If I have any nitpicks, and I mean ANY nitpicks, this film ought to have a warning label for those who are prone to epileptic seizures. That one aside, IT'S PHENOMENAL!!!
It did at my theater. As for home release idk
Nah. It's also a pretty shit movid that's just sequel bait.
@@justsomeguy1136and this is a pretty shid reply that’s just attention bait. Nobody reply to me or this guy.
@@breadsticks2140OK, I’ll just reply to breadsticks
@@justsomeguy1136
Really now? I’m curious what you find so terrible about it. Mind sharing? I’m not one to judge someone based on harmless opinions.
I feel like the animation in these movies doesn't get nearly enough credit. I mean it's simply gorgeous. Like every single frame of the movie could be printed, framed and hung on a wall.
I'd like to point out that technically, Mayday is a result of Miles getting bit as well, asbecause he helped help Peter B Parker get his head on straight, he hooked back up with Mary Jane and had Mayday when he got back to his own universe, something that did look like was going to happen anytime soon based upon what we saw of Peter B's life. This means she might be a few months or even years off when she should have been born in 'canon,' therefore it could be argued that she isn't a 'canon event' and is a disruption to the timeline because of the butterfly effect.
But Peter having kids with Mary Jane is, sadly, not a canon event. The main comic continuity saw them split up (and that, fwiw, is why I never want to see Mephisto in the MCU - even if No Way Home kinda did the same plot already but in a less traumatic, more sensible way). And there's now at least one timeline beyond this movie where Peter and MJ do work out. So there's no strict canon for that relationship beyond the fact that they tend to meet.
In this film, a canon event is caused by Spot and several spider-people's interference in a foreign dimension. It's as if the timing of a canon event isn't fixed, only the fact that it will happen at all.
I'm surprised you sinned Miles messing with Gwen's watch and not Gwen opening his figure or looking through his sketchbook first, as well as acknowledging his uncle's death from the first movie because I thought I was the only one who noticed that. But overall amazing commentary and I hope to see more amazing videos like this one in the future!
He already sinned Gwen barging into his room unannounced with the possibility that she’s more of a creep. It’d probably be redundant to repeat that.
@@ZackagonXM yeah, you're right
"im sorry who exactly are you supposed to be?" "IM BATMAN" fits wAY too perfectly.
You should’ve marked off a sin for the Lego scene, because Sony literally hired a 14 year old to animate the scene!
15:28 as far as I know, Miguel says "Ay, coño (it's like saying goddamit or fuck sakes)" and not "Hay uno (there's one)"
its even in the subtitles and I am pretty sure it means something to do with a certain female body part
He absolutely says “ay coño.”
17:11 Oh, actually, I do have an answer for this part, he was deliberately luring away all the spider people away from the spider teleporter thing so he could get it, so that's why he never turned invisible when he was escaping. Just when he successfully got them into a dog pile far away from the base.
Sinning Miles' mom during her speech to "protect that little boy" is criminal. I nearly cried when I watched that in theaters
Dude I was trying to not laugh
@@ILikeElectricity I presume you have no mother, right?
@@DangerouslySilly
You are… Quite judgmental. It’s not like their opinion is harmful to anyone. But yours is. I suggest apologizing to them for going personal over nothing.
@@ZackagonXM sorry mr zackagon, does he have to go to the time out corner now?
@@frid7434
Wait… Why are you apologizing?
Margo helping Myles is a “ imma look out for my people “ type thing
This channel isnt culturally aware
Word! 💯
Not enough sins removed for the animation, the music, some of the humor, and the excellent action sequence involving Miles being chased by hundreds of Spider-Man variations. And I found that some of the sins presented here were whether explained by the film itself or are actually sticking points in the overall thesis behind "Miles shouldn't be Spider-Man."
Removing sins is meant to show that the scene is impressive in his eyes. Many great scenes, like the entirety of the second Spot fight was skipped.
5 sins were removed from Thor: Love and Thunder, no more explanation needed for this channel.
10:54 Cause spider-sense warns about, you know, danger and threats. I doubt she considers Miles as either of those. That's why Venom is usually invisible to it, cause the symbiote spent so much time attached to Peter.
19:43 Of course he is. That's the only way they could figure out to make his design stand out from all the other Spiders - give him a pink bathrobe and a baby. He doesn't even wear his mask once. His daughter wears one more than he does.
Yeah, I guess there was no other way to make him stand out.
I'm being sarcastic, that is a terrible excuse
@@DoctorPhileasFraggPoor excuse? Maybe. Great design choice? Definitely.
Spider Society was founded after the events of the first Spider-Verse film because destroying Kingpin’s collider is what tore all those holes in the multiverse to begin with.
1:26, yes, since in the comics, ned leeds was the hobgoblin
man this film is so amazing. just an incredible piece of art. cinematics, dialogue, acting, scenes, soundtrack, design. perfect
I understand your opinion on the matter. Many people agree with you. But remember to just keep it harmless, and I can continue to respect it if you do.
W respect, your opinion is relevant for everyone, except me
We all know he was TRYING HARD to find sins in this masterpiece
(edit) AND THE FACT THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE SIN REMOVAL WTF???
Honestly surprised they found any at all...
it's not as good as the first but yeah it needs more sins removed. the 1st actually is a masterpiece tho
And yet he’ll remove 5 SINS FOR THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER?!?!?
@@_coasterhead_no shot
@@NobleVI_343 I kid you not!
7:03 Oh my god I never noticed but that shows that the spider was yanked from its own dimension RIGHT WHEN IT WAS GOING TO BITE MILES 42! It's literally crawling across his desk.
But hold on at what point thene does miles 42 become the prowler?
@@jamieyourdeadI'm assuming around the same time Miles 1610 becomes Spider-Man
@@jamieyourdeadProbably right around the time his dad dies.
@@SinHurr thanks
@@Abyss_Princess thanks
You know full well that Gwen said “every *other* universe” and not “every universe”.
But I agree that Spot’s motive for being Miles’ nemesis is wack, cause it was all out of Miles’ control.
I'm sinning this video and everyone behind it for not taking off more sins for the movie in general *but especially* for the animators who were worked to the bone yet still poured so much love into every frame that they ended up creating what is easily one of the most uniquely and brilliantly animated films of all time.
Yeah, I counted maybe 12 real sins. More if things aren't explained properly in the next movie.
Absolutely love this movie and it’s soundtrack, both are amazing. Saw it 4 times in cinema, and you can give it as many sins as you want still one of my fav movies ever, can’t wait for the final movie.
When i left the theatre i was so mad. Not necessarily because it was unfinished as a story, but because the writers strike indicated that the finale was on an indefinite hiatus. So we should expect to have a few years before it comes out unless it gets rushed which might hurt quality.
@@chaosryans I’m cautious of the proposed release date, but i’m pretty certain they know that they have the potential for one of the best trilogy of films of all time on their hands. Even if it takes a bit longer, if it continues in the trend of quality from the first to the second movie i’m more than willing to wait. Have to wait for GTA6, why not for this 😭
This movie was great right up until the sudden ending. "Incomplete movies" indeed. If you want to end your movie in the middle of a story (or right as things are getting interesting) at least give the movie title a "Part One" so that people know going into it that it's probably going to end abruptly and without a satisfying ending.
It was gonna be called “Part One” at first. Not sure why they changed it.
guess you haven't been listening to the whole subverting expectations thing.
@@cdangelo1843You wanted it to be Twilight?
I agree. I walked into the movie unaware it was part 1, and I was absolutely FURIOUS at the "to be continued". That deserved an infinite number of sins.
I’ve rewatched this like three times but the intro with Jeremy going ONE MINUTE AND ELEVEN SECONDS OF LOGOS shows his descent into madness and I appreciate hearing it every single time.
The fact that Gwen’s dad pulled a goddamn gun on his own daughter was outrageous. Also on what charges was he even arresting her ? Saving the day by almost sacrificing herself? Gwen’s dad was equally worse to J Jonah Jameson if not more.
Also Gwen does have a really big heart to forgive her dad for that.
Other than that, the movie was simply awesome!!!!!
Based on the movie, I think the charge would've been for the murder of her Peter Parker when the building collapsed on him. From his point of view, he saw her hold his dead body so he assumed spider-woman killed him
vigilantism is a crime. its stupid butnstill a crime
he thought she killed someone, remember?
@@Cloudstrifehy3Nah, it’s not stupid. Real world vigilantes are generally not good people.
Because Spider Girl was the main suspect in Peter's death maybe pay attention to the plot.
Didn’t Miguel find the technology to dimension-jump AFTER the events of the first movie? He had to set up the strike force IN RESPONSE to the Kingpin event? That’d explain Peter B having an established relationship with Miguel if Peter B is a consultant for this. Not to mention the rest of the gang. He could’ve excluded Gwen because he knew she’d be raring to get back to Miles if she knew she could go to his dimension.
About them sending Gwen to 1610: my headcanon/theory is that it was a test or form of agreement that Jess made with Miguel. That basically if Gwen proved herself to be capable (which she must have and she is) then she can be shortlisted or considered eligible for a mission to 1610, should one pop up, especially since she has experience there. It would have been on the condition she doesn’t see him and that she can only go there for missions only (remember she’s stayed over at Hobies at least once) - but she saw Miles anyway. Why she came in her civilian clothes, I don’t know, probably under “fitting in” while she stakes out Spot without making a ruckus about another spider person being seen in Brooklyn. I can imagine Jess fighting with Miguel on it for ages and negotiating with him until he gives in and let’s her have ONE chance.
14:20 I’m literally watching this while eating a party sized bag of chips by myself 😭
I remember when me and my mum first watched this she couldn’t stop laughing at the introduction of the Indian spider man given we are Indian and she could probably understand the joke better than most people
17:35 the black connection is real. I’m not saying this was the writer’s intention, but personally, Id have to pause before imprisoning another black person…universe be damned
😂xd?
18:04 only good point he makes.
Does anyone actually have an answer because I’m genuinely confused now.
0:52 quite possibly the least funny joke of all time
Didnt see the whole video yet, but if there isn't 400 sins for releasing half a movie while not marketing it as a part 1 I will be... Miles MoralPISSED
"Why isn’t he invisible during the escape?" He’s leading them out of the building! And for the many times cinemasins says that they should have stoped Miles getting bit its literally shown that Miguel invents the multiversal travel device at the end of the first movie
I like how The Spot was introduced, gave him a boost, and then leave him out until the end.
1:32 yes Jeremy because if you read the comics Ned is more of a thorn in the side of Peter since he is a VILLAIN
2:54 Or hear me out her, maybe it was because the Spider-society as a whole was built on the foundation of the existence of a certain Gizmo that we saw in the post-credit scene of the last film
Aslo in 11:16 I thought the screen on the gizmo WAS the alert. Was it not??
I’m still tripping over the fact that thousands of advanced spider people tried to jump a 15 year old and still got cooked! 😂😂 Damn, this movie is awesome!
plot armour at its finest
Writers. We know that they could have stopped him easily but writers
Well , all spider people are geniuses and that includes miles
@chimera9818 dude, did you think carefully about what you're saying? They would have stopped him effortlessly because he is the main character, writers can't let that happen. Remember Spider-Man & Dr Strange in the Mirror dimension? Yea Main character
@@chimera9818miles is not a genius compared to many many many of the other spiders. He is on the low end of the intelligence pool
I'm surprised you didn't sin Jess doing fights and chases despite being pregnant. Like it can't be good for the baby
Actually not, in real world elite athlets practice high level sports until they are about to give birth, and some even start giving birth while working out and they are not spiderwomen❤
Dude, you're 47 seconds over the time.
At the 01:11 mark. Can confirm. That's a crazy long amount of logos
The fact that he SINNED THE LOGO ART AT THE BEGINNING WITH THE SOUNDTRACK INTRO has gonna be at least worth 50 cinemasins-sins
0:35. The best thing Jeremy has said since the creation of this channel
17:12 because it was part of his plan to lure the other spider people away, so he could use the machine to send him home. He definitely couldn't have pulled it off if they were all there
the moment at 12:07 isn't supposed to be the fact that Hobie wasn't speaking English. Pav said "its English for" because Hobie is from England and is English, they just used the term English instead of British.
I suppose he's giving a sin to British English then.
10:54 Spider Sense is normally used to detect threats, and since Gwen never saw Miles as a threat.......
That’s not how it works
@@shadowhawkrine1947 That's exactly how it works
@@Abyss_Princess No, spider sense is supposed to always detect all threats (excluding venom). Spider people are still affected by shock, so when they’re alerted to an attack k by someone they trust, they still get surprised and can freeze up
@@shadowhawkrine1947 But again, Miles wasn't a threat in this situation. He had no intention of attacking her
@@Abyss_Princess I know, spider sense wouldn’t have sensed him since he wasn’t going to attack her.
It’s just not true that trust blocks spider sense
11:00 the Spider Sense only goes off when the person is in danger. If Miles was about to hit her while he was stealth'd she probably would have known then.
Not a single sin off is crazy
The purpose of the story is for us to QUESTION the Canon Event storyline ... how do you or you writers miss the point of "every spider-man need to do this" and not picking up that we are meant to question that.
Exactly! Remember how Miguel said that the Peter Parker of Miles' universe wasn't supposed to die? If that's not a canon breaking event, then what is? The only time breaking this canon results in the destruction of the universe, it's because someone from an entirely different universe was involved.
@@heatherreagan8078 My understanding is that the "canon events" are like Doctor Who's "fixed points in time" and only apply to the specific commonalities listed. So long as he'd already made it out the other end of the last one, it wouldn't cause that specific kind of problem. Something similar happens in the Doctor Strange "What if" story, when he tries to save his wife's life as well.
A lot of the sins is just because of how many Easter eggs are packed into each frame 😮
I saw someone point out that "Spidey Senses" give Spiderman a fantastic advantage specifically for defense. It helps you avoid attacks, but it doesn't really help at all when you're trying to apprehend someone and that's what allows me to excuse Miles going up against hundreds of Spidermen and successfully escape because all he did was defense.
my current head canon is that most of the spider people don't REALLY believe in Miguel's way of doing things, "the good of the many outweighs the good of the few" is so not spiderman that i can't believe that that many follow it that heavily and that most of them in Miles's shoes would do the exact same. So while they may not have conscientiously "let" him escape they also weren't REALLY trying to catch him thus allowing him to escape
18:09 fr. if spot killing Jeff is a canon event, why was Gwen sent to stop spot at all? Miguel could’ve left him alone and it would happen the way he wanted
The spot still needs to be stopped
And the canon events change depending on what happens
For example pavitr probably wa sgonna have inspector singh die a different way, but instead he was gonna die to the spot
Gwen wouldve stopped the spot and then miles dad would have died anyway, but she wasnt able to stop him
2:45 this might just be for comedic effect, but either way, isn't it insinuated that Miguel started all that 'spider society' stuff AFTER the collider? Miles was the original anomaly, so all anomalies came from him (and he was only an anomaly when he got bit because his spider was from another dimension). And, Peter B was there during the destruction of the dimension of Miguel's daughter which isn't as important but still says something.
Also kudos to Miguel for being able to group hundreds of spider people and start all that Miguel Mouse's Clubhouse stuff in a year, likely less if what I'm saying is actually true
Actually Ned is a villain in the comic books, he was hobgoblin a couple of times. He even went on to train in sorcery with Mordo, hence why in No Way Home, it showed him being able to open Portals similar to Strange and Mordo
The only things I disliked of this movie were:
1. They exaggerated a bit with Gwen's dimension.
2. They created many plots and arcs and ended the movie without ending any of them unlike the first movie.
Dude…The task force was created AFTER miles got bit and the events of ITSV. I don’t know why you are thinking the spider society was here before, when it was shown at the end of the first movie that Miguel reacted to everything that happened after it happened, then had the prototype for the portal travel device. This is such an easy thing to know and you somehow are just under the assumption that everyone was already in the spider society before the events of the first movie, and could have stopped everything that happened. This is just idiotic.
Chill with opening logos for one minute man also great video !
This is actually an evolution of this cliche because he’s watching a video of himself in a different universe 13:39
The minute of opening logos isn’t a sin… that eerie music really set the tone!
Ngl
It was really frustrating seeing Gwen play with Miles’ emotions by going to see him after so long only to tell him he can’t join the spider society without explaining why
Women ☕😔
It kinda makes sense though when she explains her reasoning
2:54 Miguel didn’t have a strike team at this point. He only invented the watches immediately after the events of the first movie, hence the after credits scene of that movie.
As someone who isn’t a fan of the movie the video’s length being longer than Mario’s is quite funny to me.
As a therapist, calling him a full body Rorschach made me giggle. I watched it multiple times just to hear that bit. 😂
5:27
The fact that this isn't the first time I've seen someone point this out😂
Wow! You didn't even spoil the huge twist at the end. You've grown up. I'm proud of you.
For all the sins for the spider society didn’t stop miles from getting bit, Miguel didn’t even have his own watch until after all the events in the first film happen, let alone there be a spider society to stop miles from being bit.
at 10:54 i think Gwen doesn't detect Miles because she isn't being threatened. From my knowledge, the spidey sense "activates" when hostility is detected. Miles was just roaming around with zero intention of hurting her (obviously) therefore her spidey sense didn't have the "need" to detect him.
Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER in charge of their cinematic universe
They can save it from AVI ARAD
I watched Fast X and this back to back on a plane and couldn't believe I got left with two cliffhangers.
I’ve been waiting for this. They loved the first one, and the second one was super good, so there’s no telling what’s going to happen.
No playbook and yet everything is laid out in a intricate web
10:45 you criticize him leaving his clothes on the fire escape but not that the fireescape doesn't connect to ANY windows? 😅 like who is gonna use it? Do i have to teleport through the concrete wall first? 😂
Man, I would have removed a sin for the music of this movie, the music of this movie rules.
Not only did miles lose his uncle but also watched the spider man from his universe die, movie deserves 3 sins for trying to put miles through 3x the trauma
Yeah I totally agree it's complete bullshit that there even trying to do him like that. He's never going to get over it if his dad dies as well.
Well the original Peter Parker saw Gwen being killed by the Goblin, lost his uncle and many more trauma, it keeps him going the right way all the time.
0:27 I love how the stuff he’s asking for is appearing on screen as he’s asking for it
13:01 _Also known as Marvel Editorial nowadays..._
THANK YOU to the white guys at cinema sins for uploading this
3:03 That's a pretty good roast!!!
16:33 if miles wasn’t bit, his dad would become captain but wouldn’t die. The reason his dad is dying is because that’s a canon event for spider people to lose the police captain, and because it’s revenge for the spot, if miles wasn’t Spider-Man then his dad wouldn’t have to die when he becomes captain
15:27
Miles! Miles Morales! ❌
Miles! The *BLACK* one! ✅
You shouldn't have sinned any of the points where you said "Why didn't you stop Miles from doing x in movie 1". The movie explains that Into the Spiderverse was the inciting incident for what Miguel is doing now.
12:00
The British.
I just noticed Earth 42 Miles was in the Spot's exposition: you can see him at 7:01 in this video. Great foreshadowing!
0:22 "Let's do things differently this time."
"Can we not?" -The guy who constantly complains about movies using clichés and not being different.
This video shouldn't exist.
Across the Spider-Verse is perfect.