A VILLAGE WITH A SECRET? | THE STRANGE DISAPPEARANCE OF JOSEPH HELT...Where is he on the mountain?
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- Today we discuss the 34 year old mystery 17 year old Joseph David Helt. Was his disappearance an accident or is there more to the story?
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These cases kill me. An underprivileged person/kid goes missing and there is a cover up because someone involved has a rich and/or influential family member. You always wonder what this person could have done with their life. I think you are completely on the right track Gabby. Especially the burning down of the lodge one week later...suspicious. Thank you for covering these vintage cases of stories that were never big in the news. You do the victims and the families a great service.😊
The 21 year old was not a minor. Why would the cops not allow P.I. talked to him? Sounds like good ole boys covering up for their kids. Great cover of this case.
If I were the PI, I would talk to "the boys" anyway. It's not against the law for one adult to talk to another adult if a restraining order isn't involved.
That is exactly what happened and it still happens. This is my town and I requested this story. I can tell you about a few cover ups in this town
@@saramarshall2957 You are brave to speak up hun. Be careful ok. The police don't like exposure and could make things difficult for you or your family. The police not all but most need either reform or put in jail for using there position in society as a weapon for there OWN advantage let's just say, that's putting it mildly. Flat out criminals themselves. A whole new level of criminology. The abuse of power in the police department is so prevalent, for all to see! thanks to the camera's for the public's safety it has slowed down a little, but the abuse of power omg! If a police officer takes a dislike to you, hell have no fury, or on many occasions, the ex partners of police officers suffer terribly as the get pulled over constantly, harassed, taken to court repeatedly for no reason other then, they are the ex of a cop. Abuse of power, cover ups, disgusting. But one by one we are exposing the ass holes. Stay safe hun, speak out, be proud but always record everything when speaking to a cop. They look after there own in such a way that you can't touch them unless taken down by many. But it only takes one to start the process of there demise. 🤗
People uniting around the world on this huge problem. Big hug stay safe ,expose the bustards I reckon.
When you really think about cases like this, knowing people know what happened and it's all kept secret. I don't see how folks sleep at night.
there is a reason some towns have an eerie vibe to them even to passerbys.
Nightmares even demons may haunt them till they come clean
No conscience, and lack of a moral compass! They all need more Jesus!
His "friends" killed him & folks are covering it up. Shame on the lot of them.
Wow his mother had her ashes spread over the last place he was last seen. That's so touching and heartbreaking at the same time. Such a tragedy 💕💔
Poor boy, how could they erase him from the yearbook? That's so cruel. I hope his remains are found someday.
His case reminds me of Kiplyn Davis, who disappeared in 1995, everybody knew who were the killers, but justice was so slow and blind.
My husband grew up in a small town and it’s so true that people know everything about everyone. One of the dads being a judge and the tearing down of the party lodge a week after his disappearance is very suspicious.
With the abandoned lodge being a popular area for underage drinking and drug use, I'm wondering why the town didn't demolish the old lodge long before a kid ended up missing/dead. And why the cops didn't routinely patrol that area to discourage kids from gathering.
I wonder if anyone asked to search it before it was demolished? It would be interesting to know if they did and were denied.
So right!
Joe was more then likely IN that building. THAT SIMPLE
Just wanna correct one thing in ur statement about small towns.
I grew up in a place so small u could barely call it a town. Lol
No, ppl don't know everything about everyone else.....they just THINK they do!
I think federal warrants need to be issued to override the local authorities who are clearly covering up something. I am not knowledgeable on New York State law but I do know that there is such a thing as the freedom of information act I do not know if it applies to open cases but it would seem to me that someone should be able to get those case files. Love your videos Gabby keep up the great work!
I think FOIAs only pertain to closed cases. I'll sure as hell be looking into it the minute it closes.
Not sure if it's smarter to bring FBI in..they'll cover up the drug trade too.
Unlike TV, in MOST states the Feds can't just "take over" a case, especially if no federal crime occurred. Since Joe's considered a local who is missing locally, it would be tough for the Feds to do anything.
Events of the recent past in New York suggest how much politics matter there. (To be fair, NY is not alone in that way.)
Honestly, the people of the village ARE NOT showing that much concern, and never were. The best way to get things moving is for the 5,000 residents, people of the county and the area to get loud!
-Get a new sheriff,
-Contact the state police
-Talk to reporters, ANY REPORTERS. Even the National Enquirer & the sleazy rags that claim Elvis retired on Mars.
-DEMAND something be done.
Also, I'd bet 80% of the kids who partied at that spot knew EXACTLY what happened... Teens who are drinking/smoking weed CAN'T keep a secret.
TRUE STORY.... In the 1980s something BAD happened back where I'm from in southern Appalachia. Locals & family members told the sheriff, state police & judges, etc... "Everyone knows who did what"...(and they did.) "Y'all can lock'em up forever, or we'll handle it...and you know hell don't have visiting days." That's almost a direct quote... (DON'T ASK how I know this). The protected parties were soon arrested, convicted & sentenced to ~140 years each. They all died in prison.
@@laurieclarkson9180 well, for what I read, you actually cannot ask for an opened case files only if it would cause reasonable issues for police proceedings about that case, which is bs in this case, since there has never been any real change in 30 years. I am not an american citizen, but you all should try to request the files.
You can submit an FOIA request, they'll just say the files are "lost."
I think Joe's remains are in the area where the ski lodge was located. Timing on the demolition is too suspicious.
Something is always left behind. Just need the right people in there to get it.
It's my belief that they hauled him to the landfill with the debris from the demo.
One of my highschool exes died by suicide and not only did they not mention it, they took his regular picture out of the yearbook. They erased him. Horrible thing to do imo.
Yes that is horrible smh
when this girl at my high school passed away a whole 1 page spread in the yearbook was dedicated to her
@@erinireland3723 that's good and nice. We had a girl pass in a car accident and she got a page too. That's the proper thing to do. 🤗
@@purpletreesftw80 it is, that's strange that they gave one person a whole page and not the other one. the girl that passed away at my school was by suicide as well.
@@erinireland3723 i think it was because it's a small town and it was 1998. Maybe they felt they would be glamorizing suicide for other teens. We know better now but... It's only my guess at their reasoning. All it did was anger and upset the rest of us.
Thank you for covering Joe’s case. We need to make sure Joe is never forgotten. Shari Schwartz
My dad and aunts grew up in Ellenville
I was always in Ellenville
I believe your testimony Shari. Even if the 'authorities' do not.
This isn’t an unsolved case. It’s a case of people escaping justice for their crimes
For now.Karma is one mean bitch!They have to live with this.A mental prison is sometimes worse.
i would say the boys killed him at the lodge, hid his body there, and the boy's dad who was a judge had the place condemned and tore down and removed the body from there
That means so much yet so little because sure huge evidence was torn away but now the bigger evidence which is the body is out their somewhere and someone knows of his buried bodies location but it's a matter of time before someone finally cave's n' owns up to the truth. We only hope that is all we can do now is hope someone comes clean and owns up to the truth because that's all everybody wants for the peace of mind & for justice to finally be served.. -Mercy(sorry for the name confusion I am on my dad's phone at the moment)
I am from here and I assure you they will never prove anything
@@saramarshall2957 why do you think that Sara? Because of the people involved??
@@stephanieann8115 well because as long as they don't speak they will get away with it. It's a huge mountain and it's so unlikely they will find his remains
@@saramarshall2957 that’s so unfortunate for his family and friends. I hate it when people die and don’t ever know what happened with their loved ones. It’s so sad 😞
This is absolutely horrific. I'm so sorry for his parents, never knowing what became of their boy. 💔💔💔
I unfortunately experienced a lifetime of abuse from women in my surroundings so everytime I stumble upon that kind of compassionate expression like you just did, my heart lifts a little bit. THANK YOU
I graduated high school in 1988 so he and I were about the same age when he went missing. I went to college , got married, had kids and just had my first grand baby. His life hadn’t even begun yet, someone needs to be punished. This story really got to me ... Joe deserved better and so did his family.
@@Ripquorthorn I wasn’t much of a party girl but my husband partied most of his 20’s away. The 80’s were the best !
The "whole aquarium" comment made me laugh! You're so right, this whole situation is super suspicious.
They are quilty somewhere in this
Judges n cops were crooked back then.
Def covered up. This case needs to be changed to Homicide for sure.
@@cocoann7681 Back then?
Have you seen our Supreme Court?
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This is so typical in a small town. I grew up in a small town. If your parents have any kind of clout you’re safe because it will get swept under the rug, or it will be blamed on someone that is a lesser person in town.
not even really small town. that college scandal? literally no one i know was shocked because people with above average wealth live like that EVERY DAMN DAY. Private schools? Parents donor status matters.
My mother was friends with him and she still talks about him til this day. I appreciate you telling his story and I appreciate everyone in the comments.
I had a good friend die from huffing butane and the school removed any pictures of him from the year book and acted like nothing even happened.
That happened in 1979 and I still miss him and I’m still mad about how the school handled this.
And no I didn’t know that he was doing something as stupid as huffing butane.
Having spent 7 years as a teenaged boy, and having lived in an area with very cold winters in my late twenties, I can say with great shame that yes I can believe that a teenaged boy wearing high tops would walk 5 miles on a 20 degree night.
I did it on a snowy -20° night in my late twenties. And yes it was for "warm company".
That said, cases like this, along with personal experience having lived and worked in rural areas, are why I wouldn't live in a small town by choice.
His "friends" killed him and got away with it due to one of them being the son of a powerful person.
Might I suggest having some chamomile tea sweetened with honey.
They need to take cadaver dogs up to the area because Joe never left. Shame on the adults that were supposed to be handling the case. The PI should take dogs there and see if the can find anything. I’m sure the other 3 boys will not talk now but always look to the weakest link and question. I’m sure the siblings and aunt would like some closer.
This is my town. It's a huge mountain and so much time has passed that it would be pointless
Wouldn't be any scent left by now.
Even with cadaver dogs?
@@stephanieann8115 30+ years..cadaver dogs probably wouldn't find anything..but I've heard of tracker dogs (the ones that track missing living person smells) getting a scent 5-10 years later. They'll find a shoe or a shirt if it's on him. This has been a REALLY long time though so not sure. They should def do some testing on that car wherever it is..
@@laurieclarkson9180 damn. I was hoping. I just hate these kind of cases that people think we’re stupid enough to believe he just disappeared. His family has had to be in such agony not knowing. Kids can really be evil.
Gabby, people in the sticks dont call tow companies, they just go get a 4x4 and pull it out themselves, especially way back when this case went down.
Exactly.
Truth
In our small town; especially, in the 80s that’s exactly how it was done. I have a lot of brothers. They and their friends were always walking home and having to borrow a dad’s or friend’s pickup to go back. The tow truck always sounded fishy to me.
@@2hearts1song4ever8 : Yep, Ive made that same walk more than a few times.
I think his body was in that building that was demolished a week later. This is a sad and frustrating case.
The town officials probably had him buried in a potter's field or cremated and pretended they couldn't find him.
You seem to be sad and upset with this case and I think it’s because you know there has been a big cover up
They killed him. No two ways about it. The first thing that I thought when you first mentioned the stuck Four Wheel Drive vehicle was: That's BS. Then to find out one of the three was the son of a Judge, cover-up.
This is no mystery at all; it’s obvious what transpired here. One thing I’ve learned when it comes to small towns-the level of corruption is staggering. That, and when someone has a relative or friend in a position of authority (like a cop, judge, public official), forget it. Justice is never served.
I think your opinions on this case are very, very sane and reasonable. There should be a law against that case being kept open when they really are not making ANY progress for so long (or putting in some real man hours!).
She needs to investigate more than just a week as she said.
Gab keep researching this story. You will find more information
Shaking my head . Not even in the year book.very fishy. Greed is usually the motive I have found. Taking a human life over weed is sickening. My condolences to the family.💙🦋💚🦋💜
My deepest condolences to Joe's family and friends.🙏❣️
@Zen Kahlo
That's is a sad commentary. I agree with you 💯. Not even in the Year Book. Now that's awful on the School's part. My deepest condolences to his family and friends.🙏❣️
This case is similar to the Randy Leach case. He was last seen at an early graduation party and just disappeared without a trace back in 1987. Please consider covering this to bring more awareness to this case. Thanks
I was thinking the same thing.
Definitely sounds like there was a cover up because of the judge. However, after all these years, and you'd think the former judge would no longer have influence and that the case could finally get a proper investigation. I feel so sorry for his poor mother.
This is such a sad story. However, I think he was killed in the building and that's where his body was. That's probably why they demolished it so quickly and never searched it.
In my opinion, innocent friends would step forward to help find their friend. Even after all these years. Where was their concern? Their silence speaks volumes.
Excellent point! You'd think one of the boys would've called his house sometime before his boss called around..what was it..5 pm? Just to see if he got home.
Joe's friends killed him. There's my opinion.
Yes finally! I requested this story be done. I am from Ellenville. Today is also my birthday so thank you for the gift Gabby!
Thank you for requesting this one!
@@laurieclarkson9180 it would be great if something came out of it. Even watching it here already knowing the story it got my brain wandering. Like can anyone confirm what time his friends made it home? Did anyone speak with their parents? We are all assuming his body is somewhere right there but maybe unreachable but who really knows? If the car was never stuck and no one has said what time they all got home you have to think they would have spent some time getting rid of his body. Even if they had put him somewhere right there it would have taken effort to find a place that it would be impossible to search or find him. Or maybe they drove some place completely different to hide the body. It is all small villages here and all not so far from eachother. They could have drove a county over in a half hour. There are just so many details I wonder about that I wish we had more clarity on to frame up his story better. They should have accounted for where the boys were for every second of the night. So many details that we don't know
My dad and two aunts grew up there too
If it were a natural death they would have found his corpse. Absolute foul play, and police cover up for someone influential's child.
Anytime I hear about a case where someone "decides to walk home" and isn't found it ends up to be foul play later. Like you said, if it was hypothermia, a car hit & run, or any of those things.."a more natural cause" they would've found him.
Your eyes are POPPING with the dark shirt dark wall combo!
They match so well!
Joe is a part of my family my father told me he is my cousin. My family also told me stories about joe and him being missing. It sucks to hear stories about a family member being missing and being possibly murdered. I've heard from my family two different scenarios of what happened to him. It's a cold Case for sure but I would like some answers and for his remains to be found sincd he's family. The police definitely lacked in this investigation. Someone just doesn't dissappear especially when he left to get help he wouldn't just vanish and run off. When I get the chance I'm going to go back up there and search myself. Thank you for spreading awareness of his case 🙏
Keep reading through the comments..there's some interesting 🤔 stories.
I don't understand why everybody that is commenting is either hitting on you or is overly bothered about him being erased from the yearbook. How about he was f****** murdered and it was covered up by a small town, and a judge, because that's how small towns work. I know this because I'm from one. This case should be taken to a higher level. All of those boys didn't murder him. One of them did, most likely the one connected to the judge. The other two were told to shut up by the judge. He probably scared them and said even though you didn't commit the murder you will still go away for being there and not helping etc.
Need a petition to get the case investigated by state police or the local fbi. He didn't leave the area and is probably still up there somewhere unless they drove him out of that area to dump him. This is ridiculous! He was murdered, maybe even accidentally killed by them going too far, but his remaining family need to know where he is and what really happened. Maybe the family can request assistance from the Cold Case Foundation.
I grew up in a similar town. It's true, "those kids" got away with drug charges, multiple DUI's, rapes, assaults...murder wouldn't surprise me.
I 100% believe his "friends" did it and it was covered up, small towns are notorious for covering up for family members of authority figures.
This whole thing stinks to high heaven. This business of his father being a prominent judge reminds me of that Dutch kid whose father was a judge and is the main suspect in the disapperance of that High school senior several years ago. I can't recall the names. He is currently in prison for the murder of a girl in Peru.
The Natalee Holloway case- a girl who disappeared on vacation in Aruba.
NYS absolutely does & did nothing for this case. Unfortunately when you know people here, it's swept under the rug and made to disappear. I used to be friends with his niece, and they all firmly believe it was JP was absolutely 100% responsible and that Kelly & Wade are just as guilty, for not coming forward. It 100% was meant for the building to be destroyed as a last ditch effort to cover up his sons wrong doings. I wish someone outside of the case had followed the trucks the down everything was torn down & hauled out so that his remains could've been identified and them be charged. I hope and pray one day for them to find SOMETHING. But unfortunately now it seems very highly unlikely.
Hi gabby. Missing persons cases so many unanswered questions 😔🙏🏾
Well this certainly has the looks of one big cover up. Very disgusting and most of all heartbreaking for the family and friends.
Hi Gabby very well done vintage cold case. These are very tragic and sad. Hope with the advanced DNA will help track missing people and solve old cold cases. Hope you stay well and safe 👍🏻😺Also Joeseph Helt would of been my age 52 years old. So sad he is gone now.
As someone who grew up in the Town of Wawarsing, I can tell you to this day, the Ellenville police department is no better now with its half-assed investigation tactics and rug-sweeping than it was then. I just hope someone will drag those boys (they will never be men) into a polygraph before they're dead. Joe went missing 2 months before I was born, and I've known his story since I was in 1st grade. His memory deserves justice.
I think the “friends” killed him and buried him in or around the lodge.
They didn't bury him
They threw him down a crevice
I needed to chill this was perfect. Your peachy hair is gorgeous
This case is EERILY SIMILAR to Joanie Hall missing from Warrenton, Oregon 1983. Same kind of coverup. Parents both died only months apart. 💔Last person to see her interviewed by the deputy who was his father etc etc. #CoverUp. And Joanie’s case is still being covered up nearly 40 years later. And not REALLY being investigatee although still open. But I hope Joe is found one day so his siblings and those who love him have answers. It’s the ambiguous grief that takes such a horrendous toll on those who love a missing person. 💔😰
I’m from the neighboring county. I remember this case. I was 15 and friends with a lot of Ellenville students in the same circle. It was a town secret then and still remains a secret. Let’s just say it’s definitely a small close knit town. Good ole boys galore. Definitely covered up!!! The town is still the same. Ellenville is not the only small town with secrets around here.
I used to spend weekends in Ellenville while flying in Wurtsboro. Where is his body? Did they use dogs? Gabby should stop with the tow truck. Nobody in Sullivan County would use one.
My dad and aunts grew up there .. so I was always in Ellenville
Perfect way to end a day :) 💗
Why are small town cops always so shady? Also, it sounds very possibly that his body was hidden at the ski resort and the evidens destroyed. But truly, someone knows something.
Cause that’s just how cops are regardless of the city/town. They become cops for the power and …they are on power trips…. And corrupt.
Gabby, this is a very interesting and yet horrific case of a young man's disappearance. There's to many unanswered questions in this case for me, such as why Joe Helt didn't go to one of his friend's home for the night since the three friends lived close by. Why wasn't the friends questioned more especially the 21 year old adult. Why all of a sudden the burnt-out abandoned ski lodge was off limits to search and then torn down. I've read and heard about cases like this before over the years and I've found it is usually always someone who knows exactly what happened to the person who was murdered or disappeared, especially in a small town. Great investigating of this story, as you always do, an excellent job. Take care 🦋
Wow. I'm with you there. My guess is more than one person knows something. How awful to never know what happened to your family member. The not knowing is just extra cruel. Why the authoritaties seem ok with letting a murderer/manslaughterer walk free I'll never understand. I don't believe he willingly disappeared.
In a small town, almost always, a few prominent people absolutely run the town. The judge that was the father of one of the boys, I feel, was instrumental in having it swept under the rug and I believe the girl who said those three boys murdered him. But with the way small towns work, it will never be solved.
I’m worried about something happening to her! If they ever were to get convicted I bet something mysteriously would happen to her.
I agree.
For me, when you said one of the guys had a judge for a father...I just went...aah right...solved.
I think the FBI should be called in to investigate the case and talk to these three men who were with Joe. I don't know why the state attorney general doesn't get involved in investigating the the police departments handling of the case. Most definitely think these three men know what really happened to Joe.
the building got torn down just then. judge's son saw him last. what else do you need to know?
I wonder if he ever left the burnt down lodge! I feel like he didn’t..hence it being tore down a week later! Maybe he wanted to leave because he had work...and JP got mad ...picked a fight ...and Joe took off walking...and maybe out of anger JP hit him with the vehicle. And it killed Joe so they had to hide him. JP would have been drinking and driving...and they made the story up of a tow truck just in case there were marks found on the vehicle or the road from the incident...and they thought that would explain them away. I do t think he left that party...and Those three guys are responsible...one maybe more than the other two...but the other two had to keep it secret because of who JP father was. He probably told them he would blame on them and that they would go to jail and he would get away with it if they told. It’s so sad...and so many possibilities could have happened...and his poor parents and family will never know unless one of those three guys come forward. I think pressure needs to be put on them at this point. Maybe one will break their silence
No they threw him down a crevice. Remember there were people still there partying. They would have seen something most likely. Joe left with those guys and something happened after. He died and they tossed him somewhere in the mountain.
It sounds like the good old boys club, rich boys. It will likely never be solved
I live in ellenville ny, I still see his missing persons poster in different places.
Do his “friends “ still live there too?
@@librarymouse567 no idea. I would hope not but you never know
So, definitely you can't dig a hole to burry someone at frozen temperatures, that's for sure. What's the opposite? Ofc...burn it!! So, probably, there's no body at all....
Ok Gabby, I’m pretty sure more than one person is lying or covering up a crime. This kind of case makes me crazy mad! Especially when everyone knows a group of people are lying! And if those boys didn’t have anything to hide, the judge wouldn’t have shut everything down.
WHY IS IT THAT COPS, JUDGES OR PEOPLE OF GREAT POLITICAL INFLUENCE HAVE THE WORST KIDS, THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW , I SWEAR!
Power corrupts
I think the key to this entire sad story lies in the father of one boy being a judge....It has been covered up to protect the judges kid.
A fan from Jerusalem.
You mentioned that if anyone had information about this case, 'call the Police'. It seems that any information that was turned over through the years was ignored by the Police. The FBI should of gotten involved. It sounds like a coverup. Unfortunately without a body the chances of solving this case, seems almost impossible. I feel so sad for the Family.
And did they even listen to the principal? Did he even mention it to police? Interview him too.
But even if someone gives a tip, they won't follow it. I feel like his family is being held hostage by the dirty authorities from that city. This destroys my hope of this case being solved one day, and it's so frustrating. FBI should take over and try to do something without the city authorities (or even the state or county or whatever) being involved=/
As someone who lives in a small town, if someone connected to an influential member of town - they can and will get away with anything
I think one or all three of the boys killed him or injured him and left him for dead.
I don't think they planned to but it happened in a fight.
I hope that in heaven he's finally with his mom and dad. I hope one day they stop covering it up and actually do something.
Sad- yep they killed him- and covered it up.
Gabulosis, Stephanie Harlowe, Brittney Vaughn (spelling might be off), and Bailey Sarin (spelling might be off); consistently bringing older cases to light, most of which I hadn't heard of before. 💃
Check out Trace Evidence - another great one!
I'm betting there's no files to hand over because they were "lost." In any event, Occam's Razor would be that he simply got lost and succumbed to the elements (like the 2018 case of Ryan Shtuka) but there's something really fishy about it. I'd also file this story as yet another cautionary tale about the company you keep in your teens and early 20's.
I have to wonder whether he died accidentally somehow and his "friends" panicked, hid his body and then the parents helped to some degree.. I just always wonder whether or not there was malice in cases like this or if some horrible accident happened and everyone got too scared to come forward. Very sad case. I know Ellenville, and I grew up not too far from there in an even smaller town. It sure is easy to believe that people "helped" by covering up Joe's death. He deserved more than that
My heart hurts for Joe's Mom. Her wish of scattering her ashes broke my heart. I *cannot* imagine knowing what happened to Joe and not saying anything. I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
Before you mentioned the judge, I had a feeling that one of the suspects came from an influential family. In my opinion, that "judge" is just as guilty and needs to be held accountable.
A&E should give you your own TV show. 😁
Awful case, his poor family. I think it was probably the 3 boys whose dads were influential and made sure the police kept away.
When I hear a drug deal gone wrong I never think mary jane. Maybe in the 80's it was different. I feel if the car had gotten stuck he would have choose a closer destination to walk to. Should have done lie detector tests on the boys.
right..unless he was distributing along with his friends and he somehow screwed the big guy.
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Small communities with powerful people are guaranteed to have big secrets... and it SUCKS.. if his family had money or influence, he would not have been swept under the mat..
..as a single mom, my heart goes out to her 💔 I can’t imagine what she went through..
...what a crappy crappy story.. 🤬
I hope whoever is keeping the secret of his location are eaten alive with guilt and ulcers 😤.. they deserve worse.. evil, self serving beasts.. to torture a mother and family like that, especially in a small overlapping community where you KNOW people.. WOW... just wow.. I’ve lived in places like that, I can imagine all of this way too clearly..🤬😤
Sorry.. mini rant over..
The cover up in this case brings me back to the cover up in the Fort Fisher Hermit case in NC. It seems that some "officials" kids may have been responsible for Harrell's murder, but were protected.
Look at the judges family even today. Those boys need exposing. Never forget
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Welcome
@@d.flipot4049 hey 🙃 thanks
Shocked I’m a bit early this time! Literally best way to end a super stressful day
Sounds like the friends killed him. Then daddy covered it up...
the only thing about tearing down the lodge that i can think of that would make sense would be that after this happened, they wouldn't want any additional parties going on there, so they would tear it down for that purpose..
That is what happened. I requested this story. I truly don't think tearing down the building was part of the cover up
Too many strange actions of the police who did not follow protocols for a potential criminal investigation and a sudden interest.to tear down the ski lodge.
The cops need to go talk to Wade maybe he’s ready to talk
Not putting him in the Yearbook has a similar ring to it as pulling down posters. I wonder who was in charge of the Yearbook and made the decision to omit him from that publication. Was it one of the three? Or one of their family members? There could be connection.
I think his body is still inside the car and the car is probably in a deep gulch or a body of water. So sorry to the family.
I wonder if the bastard ol judge held it somewhere for the murdering kids until the ground thawed and they could bury him and never look back?? This is so horrible. Poor kid.
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I don't know anything about the judicial system in the US, but can't you sue the police dpt. for mishandling the case? Or maybe appeal to higher authorities (federal)?
In the research you did - did you locate any information regarding the current whereabouts, employment - anything - about the 3 guys with him that night?
I'd really like to know... I want to see if the quote "Judge" father of one of the boys is still a sitting judge. Also, who is the new village Sherriff? Its been 34 years, that should be long enough for a lot of officers to retire, new sheriff voted in - that may allow some hood hearted young officer in the village to "take a look"... Also, by now a new DA is likely, too. Perhaps, it is time for people, starting with US - to petition the county, state and federal courts to evaluate the LE Office and its Officers, look into this case, someone dropped the ball. What he deserves is young, fresh eyes. Renewed interest and spirit. We should all join hands and push for answers, demand an internal affairs investigation...
I apologize - I ramble when I'm upset... This upsets me...
I'd be curious to know who has positions of power in that town as of now, considering the judge/police at that time are probably are retired now, so why keep their secrets? It's a small enough town, I'm surprised some reporter/journalist hasn't poked around asking questions and filling some of these blanks in. The person who originally shared this case with you, was she connected to the case/town at all? Maybe she could poke around a little.
Not every kid has a sense of direction at his age, but between this case and Kristen Smart? All young people make stupid decisions and then stick together. But a death happening? I guess some people don’t care about those left behind.
This is a very smelly cover up involving those 3 boys.
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I agree that the other people had something to do with it. They demolition should have been postponed if there was a missing person last seen there.
Makes one wonder how many high profile locals held the title of " drug customer" during the initial investigation.
His friends did it