LITTLE BOY WENT OUTSIDE TO PLAY AND VANISHED..fingers point to his mother | Kelly Junior Hollan
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Hey everyone! Today we discuss the case of Kelly Junior Hollan, a little boy who (as the story goes) went outside to play during a snow day and was never seen again. What happened to him?
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FIVE hours?? Have you ever 'played in the snow'.. My kids get soaked and freezing within 30 to 45 minutes. Going in for dry mittens and to warm up, necessary within an hour or so. I call absolute BS on this woman's story. No way. This was severe neglect at minimum.
We have three kids - at that age, them staying outside for 15 minutes straight without coming inside to get something they needed, go to the toilet, ask for food, etc., would have been a small miracle.
If I had a dollar for every time my kids came in and out I'd be a damn millionaire.
I don’t have children of my own, but when I was a kid my sister and I were running in and out of the house as well! I can’t believe he was out there alone for five hours. It doesn’t seem possible honestly
Looool true ! I’d be a billionaire ! Whether it’s hot or cold, windy or sunny, rainy or dry... them kids are going to knock on the door every 10 minutes for juice, snacks, and anything else loool and I’d be damn luck if it’s 10 minutes 😝
@@fizazlebedazzled7876 And mine ALWAYS left the doors wide open!! Lol! ✌💖🇨🇦
Exactly the only way I would ever ever believe a child was outside for 5 hrs straight especially in the cold is if they were forced to be and told to stay out there every time they attempted to come in.
I would be a millionaire too!
She could have been charged with NEGLECT at the very least. A boy of that age outside in below-freezing temperatures for HOURS?? Neglect. And if she really wanted to find him and help authorities, why would she NOT report all these supposed things she was told?!
In the eighties? Wasn't that the time of not coming in until the street lights turn on.
I really don’t think that constitutes neglect. He had a jacket on and was keeping his body heat up by running around. Sounds like you’ve never lived somewhere where it snows often. Letting your kids play outside in the snow for as long as they want was normal even when I was growing up and I wasn’t born until 2000. However, the fact that she wasn’t actively watching him and didn’t report the disappearance immediately could be considered neglect.
@@kaia6584 well yeah, not watching your child is neglect. No, we rarely get snow. But our first winter in the Army, we were stationed at Fort Riley, KS and got nearly a foot of ❄️... My kids were bundled up like crazy 🤣... I'm a beach baby.
@@GenXfrom75 you said that Kelly playing outside in the snow for a long period of time is (what you consider to be) neglect, not the fact the his mother wasn’t keeping an eye on him. Those are two very different things. Letting kids play outside isn’t neglect just because it’s cold. It’s a common practice in small mountain and ski towns. That was my point.
@@kaia6584 and I stand by it. He was very young. And clearly not appropriately dressed. We played outside for hours too, but always with adult supervision. Someone's mom or dad was always keeping an eye out. I still find it neglectful that this child was out in *below freezing* temperatures alone for hours. I'm not sure how that wouldn't be neglect.
Living in Canada, I don't know any kids that would play outside for 5 hours with friends in the snow let alone by themselves. Maybe 2 hours. Snacks and warming up are top of a kid's agenda in my experience. That part alone sounds like quite the BS story.
I live in Quebec, born and Raised as a Kid I did play out in the snow for quite awhile, but it never would have been 5 hours without some sort of break, or at the very least, my parents physically checking on me to make sure I'm not too cold Switch out wet gloves for Dry ones stuff like that.
From Norway here. Got to agree, five hours is way too long to not have a break to warm up inside.
Eh, I dunno. That’s only minus six c and my mom has to basically lure one of my siblings in with game time when the weather’s that nice. He has hypo-sensitivity due to FASD, tho, which, if the mom is as... not with it as she seems, could be a component in this case.
Right?!
I agree. I live in the Rocky Mountains region and I remember when I was a kid, I wouldn't stay out in freezing temperatures for more than around 1 hour at a time. At 20 - 30 degrees F, it's too cold for children to stay out much longer than that. Your hands start to burn from the cold even with gloves, toes start to go numb even with boots on. There's no way he was outside for 5 hours, in frigid temperatures, at 6 years old and with Asthma, too.
I don't believe a damn word that "mother" claimed happened. I have a seven-year-old myself and he is in and out of the house all the time. For bathroom breaks, snacks, juice... She's full of it. EDIT: I have raised four sons, including my son who is 7, of course. My others are 28, 17 and 14. I have "drills" with my youngest on what to do if someone offers you something you like if you come to their car. How to react, what to scream. When he's playing in our backyard, the blinds are open and the gate is securely locked. Out front is allowed only if the garage is open and either my husband or I are also outside. Nothing can 100% protect your child 100% of the time. But you HAVE to be smart and cautious and do YOUR BEST to keep them safe.
@@rileydavis7817 excuse me but ALL F*CKING DAY IN THE SNOW? Give me a break... No parent can be BESIDE their child24/7 after a certain point. But none of my kids were EVER away from me unless they were with a responsible adult or at school until at least 6 years old and then only in increments and usually in our own gated and locked backyard. When my son is outside playing, we have strict rules. And he follows them. Letting your kid in the snow ALL DAY is irresponsible and reckless. He doesn't come inside for ANYTHING? ALL DAY? That is at MINIMUM neglect.
I like the drills idea!!
@@GenXfrom75 If it was below freezing the kid would be getting hypothermia after 5 hours and would come in long before.
@@debrajohnson382 yes-- that's why I don't believe her.
@@rileydavis7817 why are you just wandering around the comments being an absolute tw@t to everyone? Do you not have anything better to do than bully strangers on the internet?
I don't know what she did to her kid, but no child is out that long in the snow & no mom eats dinner alone when her kindergartner is missing. Absolute nonsense.
I live in the Midwest. Can’t imagine a child being outside for 5 hours without getting cold and coming in to warm up or go to the bathroom. Something seems off.
Agreed! Missouri girl here and it gets damn cold. My brother, sister and I would play out in our woods in the snow but would always come in randomly for a bit to warm up. We never spent hours and hours out in the cold not even coming in to go to the bathroom or get something to drink. My mom would go out and whistle for us if she couldn’t see us and that was our “Get up here now so I can see all 3 of you” call.
Especially if he had asthma
Exactly. I grew up in Canada and even if we were playing outside all day we'd be in and out 50 times.
Especially since it doesn't sound like he had snowpants on. Playing in the snow like that for hours his legs would have been soaking wet and freezing he would have wanted to come inside to change his clothes and warm up at some point
As an Iowan I agree. I would play outside in the snow for a good while, but would usually go in to go to the bathroom, warm up a bit or when my mom called me in to eat something. You typically don’t let a kid that young stay outside for hours and hours without having them come in at some point, even if he wasn’t hungry and didn’t need to go to the bathroom in all that time, she should have had him come in to get warm up at the very least.
@@SjofnBM1989 same here. I grew up in the Arkansas Ozarks (😒), and we definitely got cold and snow. I'd stay out until my toes and fingers were numb, but I still managed to be in and out enough for my Mother to repeatedly remind me we weren't heating the neighborhood.
"What did I do wrong?" Well, *Judy* you left your *child* out in the freezing cold for *hours* never once checking on him. You gave zero urgency to the situation. Even if she didn't technically do anything to Kelly, she passively did. She killed him by doing *nothing* .
Definitely if you love your child check on the child always.
I would make him come in after like 20 minutes in that weather. Especially knowing he has asthma. Also would not leave him out there while going to the neighbor's. The laziness of it all is just too much. I don't even know if I believe her.
Agreed!!!
Mother from hell.
This is totally like the anime Erased, the little girl there.
Not only did his mom, grandparents, mom’s boyfriend and moms boyfriend’s grandparents fail him, the system failed him by letting him stay with an unfit mom who already had two kids removed from her care!!! And her story (the mom’s) is such bullshit - she had already made a phone call at her neighbor’s place, why not just go back there?!? Or even at other neighbors?! I means IT’S AN EMERGENCY!!!
EXACTLY
I also want to know did she tell Kelly when she left to make the original call?
I’d leave his mums side grandparents out of it though cos they wanted the kids but it sounds like they couldn’t take him
And whats with the neighbour not allowing her to call the police?!
Well, I imagine the grandparents of the boyfriend believed that blood was thicker than water and you seek to save your grandchild from whatever situation they might find themselves in, here an unrelated non blood child of a woman you might not have liked. Maybe the delay in calling that night was more to do with help trying to straighten out a mother to retell a story of how the day went really to protect their grandson who might have been involved at some level. Otherwise the grandparents would have renounced her straight out to gain distance, right? Grandson is dead. He knew the truth. Sister is dead I think she knew too. Poor job by the cops on this one....back then of course the whole idea of a child not being innocently missing was not part of societal thinking.
I’m in my 60s as I remember at least in Arizona only long distance calls cost beyond the normal monthly charge. Those would be cheaper after midnight. A local call would not have a extra charge.
This thing stinks to high heaven.
Why couldnt she go to the neighbors house whose phone she used or drive to the police station instead of her boyfriends grandparents house to report him missing?
Five hours at twenty some degrees? No coming in to snack, eat, warm up? At his age? No. I´m hardly the perfect mom here, but no. kids come in to get warm at some point. They don´t keep warm so well on their own. they need the energy, they get hungry. Just. No.
My first thought as well. NO WAY is that kid out there for 5 hours alone, no meal, bathroom, etc. TOTALLY FISHY AND UNBELIEVABLE.
Exactly! I live in Quebec, so I'm no stranger to winter weather and cold, as a kid, when I actually LIKED the snow I would play outside for hours, BUT there would be breaks, to come in to use the bathroom, to warm up a Bit, have some hot cocoa, change into new Dry mittens, and my parents who, yes would Watch me from the window, would come out every so often and talk to me to make sure I wasn't too cold, to tell me to come in for a bit ect. Theres no way they would have let me play 5 hours out in that temp without a Break of some sort..
THIS
That’s why this case me so mad! My daughter had Asthma as a little girl! I had to be very careful when the weather changed in Georgia October and March. She was very prone to getting pneumonia. The part that really bothered me that the mother actually sat down and ate supper by herself not knowing where her 6 year old was. You have to know as a mother after being left outside for all those hours you that the little fella was probably starving!😤
Exactly!
Wow, no one was charged... not even with child neglect... Something??? Come on, SMH... This truly upsets me... 🤬😡🤬
That poor, sweet little boy. If they found her to be an unfit parent and took the other two children away why would they let her keep Kelly?? Common sense!! Thanks for sharing! On another note I will never move to Kentucky! Judy.. not going to call her a mother, should have been charged with at least child neglect.. 🙄😒🤬
I have a very hard time believing the mother's version of events.
Yeah this was on a channel recently. I do have suspicions of the Mother too 😰 poor boy xx
Me too
Idk, if I have had my two other children taken away I would be beyond overprotective of my remaining child.
Shit don't make sense
@@callmewaves1160 especially the youngest child.
I'm having difficulty believing her too.
I do not wish to defend this mother if she is in fact guilty - however I also come from Australia where it was proven fairly recently that Azaria Chamberlain's mother was actually correct after years and years of ridicule from the public regarding the whole dingo\baby thing... and within my mind I'm trying to figure out if there is any room for benefit of the doubt.
Could the child have had one of those medical conditions where he does not feel pain (Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP) ) or an undiagnosed dissociative disorder that lead him to be away from indoors so long in such freezing temperatures? This almost feels like a missing 411 level type case if the mother wasn't so suspicious... I honestly dunno - dwelling in possibilities....
I thought it weird how she said he was called for dinner. When he didn't respond she ate hers.
Yeah, that's not normal. That's awfully weird and uncaring. She eats dinner first before going to her boyfriends grandparents who don't let her call the Police? It's an emergency though
when they say,the last thing he said was "i love you mommy" me"she had something to do with his disappearance!"
Yes!
It seems to be a red flag in so many cases! 🥲
A kid playing in the snow alone 5 hours, no hungry no cold? she's a liar, she knows very well what happen to that child.
I think she killed him.
@@pegs1659my same thought. The mother knows well what exactly happened.
Even if it is cheaper to call after a certain time, emergency calls are always free
Right..lol
Exactly.
@@rileydavis7817 about the emergency phone calls being free
@@rileydavis7817 I responded to somebody else's comments that's what I was laughing at Riley
@@rileydavis7817 I think it was an incredulous "lol" not a funny one. Like when people laugh at something someone says that is completely absurd or obvious, not because it's funny. That's all.
I'm in consensus with others here, it seems totally unlikely that he stayed outside in the cold for five hours or more without going inside. Especially alone, kids usually get bored way faster than that, never mind being cold or tired or hungry or having to use the bathroom.
The best-worst case I can think of is that something happened to him accidentally and instead of reporting it, his mother decided to cover it up, possibly because she'd already had the state take away her children and knew that she'd never get them back if something preventable (such as an asthma attack from the cold) happened to her son while he was under her care. Could also explain why she wasn't too worried about looking for him once he vanished or calling the police until after midnight. Though to go this long holding onto that and not tell even one person... That I have doubts about.
I played outside alone from morning to when lights came on unless I was on my horse. I carried my lunch or drank from other people water hose. I was 7 and it was safer. Never did it in snow.
she passed the lie detector test tho
@@ladylyrichere9373 Honestly, you hear of so many criminals who have been found guilty of a crime years later via DNA, after passing a lie detector at the time. I don’t trust them.
It is remarkable for a young boy to entertain themselves for more than 5 hours alone in a cold yard. I wonder whether the truth is rapped up with the lies. It might well be that boy was set outside...but it might have been the evening prior and he might not have been that happy about it? The mother and boyfriend having discovered a frozen body in the early morning, buried the boy and then spent a day working out a story to relate....at midnight at his grand parents, once sure any tracks were gone and the day far too spent to put hard questions to mom. Mom makes a call?
So did Gary Ridgeway about whether he was the Green River Killer when his body count was in the 20s. He was able to kill even more women because the police put to much faith in polygraph results and let him go
I'm still stuck on 5hours str8 in freezing snow, without making your baby take a break to warm up, eat or just freaking check to make sure their okay!!!!😫💔
Was anyone able to ask the grandparents why they had her wait to call? It seems she's the only one saying they told her she had to wait. I don't believe her. By her own words she wasn't taking good care of him. She claims she let him play outside in the snow for over over hours and he was asthmatic. She also decided she was going to eat dinner before she tried to figure out where her son is. Then she waited even longer to get help when she damn well knew he was missing.
This case makes me 😡 angry 😤 so I’ll keep my 🤐 shut.
This reminds me a lot of the Caylee Anthony case. I think the mom did something to him, either on purpose or on accident, and dumped his body somewhere. That's why she didn't check on him when he was supposedly outside and wasn't in a rush to report the disappearance
More wanting time to pass before she'd have to get on with reporting the disappearance...which is why she waited so long and why she choose her boyfriends grandparents place - to make sure she felt she had allies to back her up.
That is very possible! Her delay in reporting him missing and eating her dinner alone seem strange.
Even in perfect weather conditions, my kids are constantly in and out...
Some people don’t deserve kids
Yeah, as a rural mom of the mountains her behavior is... odd. My 6yo has gone out and played for quite some time in very cold temps in only underwear, snow boots, and a puffy jacket, so rural kids are tough. But she's usually back in within an hour or two, and I stick my head out the door to confirm she and her sisters are alright literally every 5 minutes. Also, most rural kids know by the time their 6 not to wander off cause getting lost is easy, and there are bears, mountain lions, coyotes, even aggressive dogs in certain areas. 5 hours without a kid coming in for the bathroom or snacks is not typical in my experience.
Thank you! One of my sons is autistic and We have to remind him to come in, make sure his shoes are on, etc, plus he takes off. You can bet We find him as soon as We don’t see him, and that he isn’t out too long, even at nineteen.
@@raquellofstedt9713 So true! My mom's side of the family has 5 people currently on or previously on the spectrum (including my oldest daughter, who's not on the spectrum anymore but is VERY ADD) and last year when she went to the mailbox and was gone for almost an hour I was literally on the verge of a panic attack because all it takes is inattention for a moment and you can be dangerously lost. Esp if focusing isn't your strong suit, lol. So yeah, she's 18 and I also still get worried when she's in the wilderness!
That's exactly what I was thinking. Even in the 70s or 80s I don't think a 6 yr old mountain kid would stay outside playing for 5 hours in the snow. But from my experience living in the TN valley as a kid can spend hours outside at a time. But again in the cold I think even 2 full hours is pushing it
@@jmgajda8071 people are always on the spectrum it's not a curable thing or something you grow out of (you learn to mask to please others, but that is very stressful and overstimulating). That person was either misdiagnosed or is very good at masking.
I know this cuz I am autistic and have done the research (pls don't suggest we get cured, it's very hurtful, FYI).
Agreed. If anything some kids are in and out of the house.
Commenting again for the interaction. I suspect drugs. Like the mom was either high and doesn't remember when he went missing or she left to get/do drugs and he was gone when she came back which is why she lied. It's also possible a drug dealer to her kid in order to get payment or she traded her kid for drugs. Stuff like that happens all the time unfortunately
I haven't watched all of this yet but I would have been panic stricken at 4.30pm and would have been begging for help. Fancy having an appetite for dinner when your child isn't there let alone sit down and eat it. OMG
Absolutely! Lots of things don't add up here at all.
The mom was responsible for him vanishing no matter what happened. So she called her sister, but wouldn't make an effort to call the police about her missing son.
I dont care how much it costs.. if you need to call to report a missing child, I will have no problem paying the charges.. of course I wouldn't have sat down to eat till I found my kid, plus I would have made my child come with me if I had to go to the neighbors to make a call, ( they can play in the neighbors yard just as easily)
Exactly! Totally agree. Very sad.
I wouldn't eat until my kid was found.. I thought that was odd too.
Here in Australia calls to emergency services are free of charge - is it not the case in the states? Also such calls usually connect and offer the option to connect to emergency services even when most other mobile telecommunications services on the device are outside of ideal reception zones or the phone is not allowing for other personal calls to be made. I find the excuse of using the phone after a certain time (midnight) to call the emergency services just as baffling as her seeming nonchalant demeanor and the five hour thing - it just does not add up. Was she not aware the child was actually missing when she ate dinner thinking he was at a friend or relatives house or was it clear that the child was missing at that point cos no grieving parent would have an appetite.
I know people are weird and can do strange things and behave in strange ways I've been around long enough to see it myself - Does anyone know whether the parents had a mental health history? I also feel it would be good to see an interview with her and do a body language analysis...not a case I'd heard about either - very curious..
@@igitha..._ they are free in the us too for the most part. Atleast where I live. But I'm choosing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Ya never know
@@igitha..._ it was 1982. They didn't even have 911. It's totally different now
I agree, I think his Daddy got him, and Maybe registered him under another name?? Hey, my sister's and brother were born in KY. They had a TERRIBLE time getting there birth record's , cause all of THERE'S were destroyed in a fire.... this was back before 1965 !!!!!My Oldest Sister whom raised me, thought it was cute, and added just 1 extra letter to my name with SSA , and TO THIS DAY , I am an old Lady,and STILL am trying to prove my ID ...Not a laughing matter at all :(
This is hopeful. May like a witness protection for Kelly.
I've always lived in an area with freezing temperatures and snow throughout November-March and especially when I was young, I would get SO dehydrated while playing in the snow that I would have to get a drink about every hour. Not to mention I had to warm up and eat in order to sustain energy to play in this weather. Judy's claims are just nonsensical in my opinion.
Theory. Mom might have been out scoring an illicit substance when he went missing. Shame and quilt plus the very real threat of prosecution might have kept mom quiet. there was a similar case in my home town when I was in my twenties. Bless the little ones and peace to their memories.
Or she sold him.
There is no way that little boy could have been playing in the snow for that long, he would have been wet and cold and would have come in to get warm. Especially playing by himself!!
Would have got bored because apart from making a snowman he was on his own so couldn't have a snowball fight with other kids.
When my daughter was about two, I couldn’t find her around the house. She was still in her nightgown so I didn’t think she went outside. I started panicking after five minutes. I decided to look once more inside and found her in my our bedroom just looking playing with something and being silent. I was weak at the knees with relief
What kind ok mother let's there asthmatic child play out in the snow for 5 hours without mankind them come in to eat drink warm up we etc. The grandparents not letting her call is bs the only reason I can think of for them to say after midnight is if it was a long distance call regardless she didn't do anything to get help to find this lil guy. This whole story is a red flag 🚩why didn't she use the neighbors phone to call the police? I feel given the weather the best anyone can how for is that he was abducted but unfortunately I don't think something very bad happened to this baby boy.
Ugh, that, “I told you we should’ve taken him in too,” hit me hard. This poor kid.
Yeah. But it screams neglect and poor judgement, not murderer. Her dad saying that doesn’t sound like he thinks she did it, rather, that her neglect/ poor judgement allowed for it to happen.
@@Puglover130 that doesn't make it any better.
Five hours seems like an exorbitant amount of time for a small child to be outside playing and that of itself seems highly suspicious to me!!
I live in the same town as the mother does. I have personally meet her. Instantly a bad vibe before I knew about Kelly. If the case is brought up everyone is hush hush. Someone knows something. A child doesn't just disappear . We have blistering cold temps in winter. No way I would let my child play outside in the cold for more than 10 mins. At that age he should have been supervised at all times while outside. There's a special kind of Hell for people that would harm a child in anyway. May God have mercy on the soul or souls that had anything to do with Kelly's disappearance. I pray that Kelly is found
It was cheaper after 9 PM in the 80s in Massachusetts, but not for local calls. Regardless, it was an emergency. She could have just driven to the police station. Meanwhile, she's at the grandparents' house when she should have been at home at least waiting for her kid. Guilty.
Thats what I recall. After 9pm. Definetly for long distance. Sometimes you could get a plan that was after 7pm. Im 49 and I've never heard the after midnight thing.
gUiLtY
I was 5 years old when he was born. I’m 50 now and that makes me sad to think of a life he missed. Just look at that ginger haired boy, what a sweet face.
I’m a similar age to you and think the same. I know when we were kids we had more freedom alone outside than kids today. I often would play on the prairie and could have fallen or gotten hurt and not been able to get back home. But it’s surprising no one found this kid after awhile - and the story just seems wrong. No kid goes outside in the snow for 5 hours. They come in for food or to go to the bathroom. This mom has more to this story she’s not telling.
I'm not buying what mom is selling. Not for a second. At the very least she is guilty of neglect. Who lets their 7 year old son play in 20ﾟtemperatures without offering lunch, a drink, warming up for a few, a hug, or just putting your eyes on them for 5 hours??!!! And then driving somewhere and WAITING to call and report your son that you're frantically searching for and worried about??? When there's a neighbor right there who most likely has a phone?? You know, the same neighbor she thought was entertaining her son for FIVE hours...
No one. Except her. I'm a mother of four and I can tell you NO ONE does that. Ever. So infuriating. Poor Kelly...💔🙏💔
The teacher saying his records were requested, my question is why didn't the school contact police.
Sounds like mom may have made up this story since a school would report that request
This is just another bull 💩 story from Judy.
I also doubt he was playing outside for 5 hours. Maybe spent some time playing before his mom sold or killed him. Her saying he played five hours then she had to wait until after midnite to use the phone was her excuse for giving more time to cover up his disappearance. Since the news may have predicted more snow after midnite, she knew any foot prints would be filled in throwing searchers off. It isn't to far feached that she sold him to a childless couple and then claimed he disappeared. There's no way she was home alone with a kid, and ate without him, and didn't know he was missing sooner or want to call cops during day light
Because it didn't happen - it was a simple case of mum feeling anxious about the truth coming out and she wanted another strand of lies out there to confuse the ground.
@@karenv5103 He was 6, you cannot sell a 6 year old without having him tell someone about it. No sadly I think he was killed and probably so the evening prior. later in evenings is when stressed parents are the most stressed and also if they drink or are depressed etc, when they are most likely to commit harm. I think she'd spent the day following working out how to deal with the story and his body. Typically these awful things happen in the dark hours and the next day is about making it all go away.
If they literally just declared her unfit WHY let her keep another child. The system is bull
Because it is so so emotive. Policy swings constantly one way then back...it does this only to win votes... on one swing we get lots of stories of the state taking children and how awful their experiences are in foster care, and how the state should allow parents to parent, on the other, we have stories of parents beating their kids to death...and how the state is being neglectful in efforts to protect them. The policy can't win because the stories are too diverse for it to cater completely for all of them.
This story breaks my heart. I believe the mother killed him and disposed of the body. And the "law enforcement" sounds like a joke. None of these people need to worry about Mensa knocking on their door.
then how did she pass the lie detector
This is the aunt and yes we think the same thing
I agree I would be using the phone regardless of the cost to report my missing child. Or drive to the police and report him. This case is truly heartbreaking
Right! Why didn't she use the phone of the neighbor's? The one she called her sister on earlier? The phone issues makes no sense. Did they have to pay for emergency calls? And how much could it be that it was considered too expensive even to save the life of a child? That and the child playing outside for five hours without coming in for bathroom or to eat/drink....... something off about that.
@@kina18 yes something is very off about it.
Exactly she used the phone earlier in the day just to chit chat .. It sounds to me like maybe they possibly sent him with someone and they wanted to give the person a head start before reporting. Like they wanted the trail to go cold,wanted more snow to fall or figured that if after midnight cops wouldn’t come until “daylight hrs” which would buy them even more time.
Because her entire story is BS..
none of that ACTUALLY happened.
@@jasmineroy9982 Exactly
I once played outside in the snow for maybe 2 hours (can't remember exactly how long it was but definitely less than 5 hours) when I was 4 years old. I was bundled up more than Kelly was and was in pretty bad shape when I eventually came in and had to sit wrapped in blankets for ages to warm up enough to function. Like if I remember right, if I had stayed out too much longer I would have maybe needed some medial intervention. There is no way a child that young sat outside in freezing weather with just a winter coat for 5 HOURS and was totally fine. AND why on earth did she not check on her asthmatic child that she didn't even want to let outside in the first place for 5 HOURS?!
If the mom is responsible I sort of doubt that it was any case of her intentionally or directly hurting him. The most likely scenario for that theory seems to be that something bad happened to him BECAUSE he was outside so long and she just covered it up to not get charged with neglect. The main thing that counters this theory to me is that the dogs couldn't find his scent to lead to where she would have hidden the body, that doesn't really add up for me. It is convenient that the only evidence to point to her theory that she proposed is a tip coming through only her and that it also throws her ex under the bus at the same time but also parents kidnapping children they don't have custody of is not an uncommon thing so it is a pretty believable theory.
She did look outside to check on him and don't forget he was still there when she went to the neighbours house but she should have said to him when she left to come with her to the neighbours house and not left him outside still. Bit strange how he has bad asthma and she at first wasn't going to let him outside then when she does let him she let's him for 5 hours. 1 hour max would have been enough.
In kentucky in the 80s 911 didnt exist so to make a call to emergency services you had to dial the number which in most cases costed 10 cents a minute only free calls could be made after midnight in this area I am originally from leslie county but now live in perry county Kentucky and 911 wasnt available until around the mid 90s
So that part is actually true , but still, so weird or at very least, bad judgement. 1. Most ppl would have allowed a non free call if their kids GF son was MISSING! And 2. Most moms, if told to wait, would have gone elsewhere to ask to make the call, rather than waiting for time to tick by.
@@Puglover130 i don't know how their system works but where i lived in the 80s and 90s you could block calls that cost money to keep your kids or whoever from racking up hundreds in fees that you couldn't afford to pay
I grew up in the city,we got plenty of snow,though. My mom would let us play about 2 hours then we had to come in and eat something and drink hot chocolate! She grew up in a rural area,that's what her mom did. Anyway, my three kids grew up in the country,they would last 2 hours and I checked on the regularly. This case stinks,I think the mom sold him for drugs. Or they were abusing him and killed him. Buried or thrown in the woods far from the trailer,animals are hungry in the winter.
I’m in my 40s and lived in the area at the time. It did not cost less from a phone line to call after midnight. They may have had a party line however. I don’t believe they would not let her call till midnight regardless
So you were under 10 at the time?
@@no_peace yes. I am a couple years older than him. This has always stuck with me. My mom stopped letting us play outside by ourselves. It scared our entire community. I still pray he will be found. Thank you Gabby for telling his story.
I agree with a lot of the comments on here, no way a kid would stay out in the cold snow for a straight five hours. From Central Illinois, would play for a few hours and then come in to use restroom, eat some cream of wheat, with hot cocoa and go back out. Then go back out again with my best friend and brother for another two or three hours. Also kids have big appetites, they eat every few hours, especially if they are outside getting exercise, they get hungry. The mother's story just does not add up at all.
Beautiful Child. This is heartbreaking. ThnkU for telling his story. & covering this.
No 6 yr old plays alone outside in the snow for 5 hrs. They are going to get snow in their boots, their fingers are going to get cold and they will get bored and hungry. I’d like to know when the child was last seen by anyone other than his mother.
100%.
While I believe she was not responsible for killing him, I think the fact she last saw him at 4pm was just to save face- that she had no idea when she had last seen him. And then panicked and tried to make it sound as late as possible, so she wouldn’t get judged as harshly.
I think if she had killed him they would have found his body or evidence. The woman seems a bit dim. Plus she passed a poly.
I think she was extremely neglectful, that he was abducted, and that he was long gone hours before 4pm
Probably the old grandparents of the bf was stuck on the old myth that you can't report someone missing until 24 hours that's the only reason I could think of why they told to call at midnight 🤷🏿♂️
Also if it’s cheaper, who cares, I mean a damn small child is missing! Come on anyone with a heart or common sense would say call and wouldn’t complain about the damn charge of it.
Innocent i have my doubts, dont let a kid play outside for 5 hours, and then wait bloody long b4 you call the cops, they can find a trail sooner if reported sooner, very strange.
The mother was up to it for sure. Lies, lies, and more lies. Why didn’t the cops interrogate the shit outta her from the beginning??
what I don't understand is in her statement where Judy says (I would give anything to have him back now) why use the word now? just that one word makes her sound guilty of doing something to or with Kelly idk, thanks for sharing I pray for answers in this case one day
Yeah, I caught that too. It may have just been the way it was read, but that sounded like she wouldn't have wanted him back before. Maybe it could have been meant as "I want him back, now!" as in right this minute but it did not come across that way to me. Sounded a lot more like a slip up exposing that at one point she didn't want him.
yeah, I picked up on the NOW...as if she was not so keen on him THEN....but as the other commentator says it could be read two ways as NOW - IMMEDIATELY but even if that was the case, that word would not be how I would express it if that was the case.
I'm not saying that his mother had something to do with it. But when I was a kid playing out in the snow (on the rare occasions that we had some) or even just outside during the winter, my mother would make me come inside just about every hour or 1-1/2 hours to get warmed up or get a snack, something hot to drink etc. And also I think it had a lot to do with just checking and making sure I was where I was supposed to be etc. We lived in a rural community in north eastern NC, it's a largely farming community. Our house was close enough to the road though. It was the kind of town where everybody literally knew everybody (and their business)...most of the old timers in the town went to school with my grandmother and her siblings, and so knew us by extension. With that being said, it still would have been easy enough to snatch a kid off the front yard. My mom always tried her best to know where me or my siblings were at all times. She rarely ever took her eyes completely off of us even when we were playing in the yard.
Even so coming in ever hour or so fron the patents is good but a child of that age would come inside like every 5 minutes. Cause he was cold but also wanting to show his mom or dad to look what he has made or can do with the snow being excited want to share his excitement with him parents. Not having other siblings outdid playing with him.
@@joannamcdaniel7810 This is true as well.
I wouldn't let my healthy, 12 year old child play outside in snow for FIVE HOURS. Red flag right there 😒 and when I played in snow as a kid even with my cousin we sure didn't stay outside that long without getting bored or cold.
Every child comes inside periodically ESPECIALLY after being in the snow for even a short period of time...AND when I was 6 we still had nap or rest time during the day. If she was so concerned about his asthma, why was he outside for HOURS!
It's Emergency who cares what it cost these people sound like very cold blooded people.
When you’re poor and don’t have money to pay 50 cents a minute for a phone call........
@@valerie7008 Yes,But Your Child Is MISSING, For Quite A Few Hours Already!!!!May God Bless & Keep Him In His Arms.May God Bless & Protect ALL Children, Especially ANY Who Are Endangered In Their Environments & Their Abusive FAMILY Members!!!!👼👼💝💝✝️✝️🙏🙏💘💘
"I didn't want him to go outside because of his Asthma" 9:24 "he remained outside playing for five hours and I watched him from the window"... What??!
All these stories that came Judy like from the Florida school asking for his school records. She supposedly gets this informatiion and not the poilice ridiculous.The main suspect is acting as a gatekeeper of supposed information makes her look guilty as sin.
Yeah right, it would be like... "what school are you calling from" "what's your name?", "is the child attending right now?" - nah none of this info was gathered?
Someone is responsible for the boy abduction 💔😔😞
I really do not think it was a stranger. It had to be someone he knew. Otherwise he would have screamed or something...
I find it strange that the father wasn't as least looked into
Judy worries about Kelly's asthma so doesn't let him go outside to play in the snow, Kelly persists in asking if he can go out to play and Judy caves. If as Judy says Kelly was the apple of her eye surely she should have been checking on him at least every half an hour or so, if for no other reason than to see how his breathing was doing in the cold air which was the reason she was intent on keeping him inside in the first place
Seems like the mother was neglecting him but that doesn’t necessarily make her a murderer. He could have wandered off and succumbed to the elements :(
Seeing that he was only wearing jeans and not snow pants oh, they would have likely soaked through in an hour. He would have been wet and freezing. Even if you didn't want to come in of his own accord, no human being with a shred of Common Sense would let a small child's play outside from morning until evening without coming in and warming up and having food and drink and using the bathroom. And I find it very unlikely that any child would not come in asked to do one of those things as well. My two kids would it make it more than an hour
This is rough. Warning
My mother locked me out in the snow overnight in rural Canada when I was 12. Fortunately the camper door was open so I had blankets. She opened the door the next morning screaming at me about I have no idea what now so murdery a bit yes.
I feel like it would be really hard to bury a body in February in Kentucky. the ground would be frozen solid because there's a lot of precipitation and when it melts the ground absorbs it and then it gets cold again and then it freezes. I just don't think it's probable to bury a body so deep it was never found in kentucky as a woman alone using just a shovel. people back in the olden days before backhoes and equipment would literally just put dead bodies in barns and store them until the spring thaw in order to bury them. I do think it's possible the mother or someone else hid his body until spring when it would be much easier to bury it. Maybe they just tossed him down on mineshaft too or an old well. I grew up on a gravel road in Missouri really far away and there were so many old and abandoned wells just hanging out. Idk why the sister would lie and say she helped her sister bury the body when I just don't think it's probable.
There’s no way, even as an adult, you can play outside for hours in just jeans. Your body heat would melt the snow soaking the pants and then freeze again. My kids’ school won’t even let them go out to recess in the winter without snow pants, gloves, boots, a hat, and coat. If she didn’t do it, she knows who did and she’s covering for them.
Hey everyone 👋🏻 Hey Gaby, I hope you’re all safe & well and having a great day 💗
Hey I see you watch her channel as well 🙌🙌
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@@quavehiphop9152 Well hey there 👋🏻 How are you? Yeah.... I’m a bit of a True Crime Junkie tbh. I just find it unbelievable how many cases/crimes are committed. And how unusual they are. And I cannot believe how many crimes are still unsolved! I understand some of the older cases perhaps as the policing and technology wasn’t at it’s best. But I think nowadays, we perhaps expect too much and just assume they’ll find some evidence or information and solve every case almost straight away but again, that in reality doesn’t happen. Cases like this though are just heartbreaking 💔I have 5 kids, mostly grown now, just one younger one and there’s no way I’ve ever left mine unchecked for THAT long. I lived in a rural secluded village when they were little and even then, they stayed where I could see them. I dunno, I just don’t get the Mother at all. There was a house next door with a phone but she didn’t go there ASAP? Then waited until midnight to call? Not a chance! I don’t care how much it costs, you call the police. Just so many frustrating & infuriating things going on. I hope the child is still alive and living his best life somewhere but honestly? I think something happened that was close to home. Even if it wasn’t the mother, it was someone close by. I hope the truth comes out someday x
@@kellyoconnor1035 Hi Kelly 👋🏻 I’m doing great at the moment, thank you. And tbh, I think sometimes just a quick “Hey 👋🏻”, is it all takes to just let someone know, you’re not alone. There’s too much negativity around and I don’t honestly see the need and would never want to add to it. This is a lovely community and the people are fab! It’s nice when you “bump”, into people you’ve spoken to on another channel too, like chatting with an old friend but someone you’ve got something in common with already. I hope wherever you are, today has been a good one for you 💗 Sending love from a surprisingly sunny UK.
Know I'm too obsessed with this channel when I'm watching 11 mins after it's been uploaded 😬
can't understand how she could let her son play outside in the cold ...
Why didn't she go to the neighbors again where she called her sister...??
right?!
Regardless of weather, it's weird that that no one checked up on him for hours!
Judy was not fit to be a parent.
I think he was abducted.
The 3 missing women in Springfield, Missouri will be 30 years old in 2022.
Im not a parent but I've worked with children and even in groups they don't keep doing one thing for more than like an hour, I don't believe for a second a 6 year old boy played outside by himself for 5 hours!!! That's absolutely ridiculous. Also, hey Kentucky? Why'd you say the mother was an unfit parent to two of her kids but not the third? That makes no sense.
This mom’s entire story is complete bs. It makes absolutely no sense.
In the 80s and 90s, calls were really expensive and not everyone had phones... But if I had disappeared, you may rest assured my parents would drive to the nearest police station if they had to!
They already took 2 kids away from her but yet allowed her to keep this little boy, also makes no sense. This just makes me think something happened to him. Either she did something on purpose or some kind of accident happened and she got rid of his body and that’s why it took her so long to report him missing and made bs excuses for it taking so long.
Love your videos! You always have cases that are not well known (or not well known to me) and I love that
Yes she does.
My husband's extended family is from Hindman in Knott County, Kentucky. I am very honored you chose to tell the story. Thank you.
OMG!!! Are you serious???
The mother let her 6 year old son outside for 5 hours straight.
Now, I have a 6 year old lil sister going on 7. And, I wouldn't let her nor my parents let her out there for 5 hours.
Now, that's kinda suspicious how the mom let her son stay out there for 5 hours.
Like, I dont live in a rural environment but I live in the city.
And, if I did ohh man oh man I wouldn't let him go outside by himself. But, I gotta understand that's a diff time. I personally think that he's alive and lives in the Florida area. Bc, I think Judy didn't want her child anymore so.
I was neglected by my parents as well and it doesn't surprise me the mother in this story asked: 'What did I do wrong?' Neglectful and abusive parents think they are great parents. My mother was hurt when I called her 'mother' bc 'I'm a MUM.' No, she wasn't. Poor kid, I hope he didn't suffer.
I have lived in ky all my life 53 yrs. I remember this happening. Some of my thoughts: 1 your kids don't get taken from you because your poor. You can get help from family services and if she had seizures I'm sure she could get SS. I had a family member who got SS as soon as he turned 18 RIP 🙏. 2 a lil 5 yr old out all day in below freezing Temps an hr would have been to long. 3 she went in and ate knowing he was gone when she came back? Who does that? 4 in the 80's if you made a long distance call it was cheaper to do after 12 am, but calling the law wouldn't have been LD and so what if it was. She could have went back to the home she called her sis from. 5 why would someone call from another school for his medical records? You would call his doc for that. And of course his school records had burned 😆 why would anybody be calling for any records on an abducted kid. Surley the ubductor would have enrolled him with a different name. Abductors aren't that stupid. 6 if she didn't kill him on purpose for some ignorant reason he died of hypothermia and his body is in those mountains somewhere and will never be found. It's a bad sign when your own mother accuses you of your child's death. And his brother heard his grandpa scream "I knew we should have taken him also" that blows her story they was taken because she was poor. FINALLY 7 I've been subscribed to your channel for a long time but I never get notifications so I've been binge watching 👀 I love your channel. I like that your talking about crimes that no one else is doing. I've not watched one yet that I haven't been into everyword .
My question is why wouldn't she be concerned about her son getting frostbite after being outside for 5hrs...
I am binge watching your older videos and what sticks out to me (being from the Midwest) is that when we played in the snow, we were in and out of the house to warm up. I find it odd that a 6 year old boy wouldn’t at least come in for warming up once in 5 hours. Frostbite can set in (believe me, I know from experience) in a couple of hours. My son and his buddies rotated houses just like we did coming in to get dry and warm before setting off again. I can’t say his mom deliberately did something to him but she sure wasn’t very attentive and no way would I wait until midnight to call the police!
Were the grandparents on a part line? Thats the only thing I can think of. I remember it being cheaper for long distance after a certain hour. Problems with this case first of all I played in snow for hours but I would come in to use the restroom and eat. Why didnt she call the authorities from the friends house? If that little boy had been outside that long he would have gotten wet from the snow. This case has me wondering why he wasnt taken away like his siblings. Another case where I still like the theory of having to get a license to become a parent!!
She prob got high & fell asleep & didn't want the friend asking too many questions re her parenting.
The part where the mom says she goes back inside to eat dinner, blows my mind. I've had my kids go into the woods too far when we first moved into a new house and after two minutes of them not responding, I was ready to call 911. If their bus is more than 5 min late, I'm ready to call the school, bus company, authorities, any and everybody. It breaks my heart people mistreat kids so frequently, especially when there are so many loving people who would adore these kids and give them a great life.
Wow this case has me really fired up! I have so many questions. What was she doing in the house all of those hours? Little kids get tired playing in a lot of snow, etc. If she didn't do something to him herself, I'm sorry but it's all pure NEGLIGENCE!!!!! 🤬 That poor sweet boy! 😔 Maybe he really is OK out there somewhere, it has happened before. Wishful thinking I guess.
Kelly’s mom is COMPLETELY responsible for whatever happened to him whether she participated or not. Maybe they should take 100% of children away from unfit parents instead of only 2/3. 100% of those children would most likely be alive. I love our government. They’re so thorough and logical... I can’t even sarcastically finish that bullsh!t without shivering with heebie-jeebies.
This was awesome. Your effort and execution. Not the topic, obviously. That’s just sad and frustrating.
Thank you for the solid entertainment.
How would they been able to bury him with all the snow and frozen ground.
My thoughts exactly, below freezing and that ground would be hard as a rock
this kinda reminds me of the story of summer wells missing for 2 years
similar story
and iffy parents only its tennessee and it's summer time
but the mother was suppose to in charge of her she goes missing family member also doubt her story the father is gross and they loss costudy of their other children
On the sister theory the ground would have been frozen and difficult to dig. Let alone clearing the inches of snow first
Interestingly Judy is the only one who seems to be getting information on the case (apart from what her Sister told the police)
This case is infuriating and in my opinion, Judy is a liar and an incompetent parent.
You don’t need a Psycic for this case.
You do so well to tell us Kelly’s story so calmly... it’s certainly a tough one.
I feel like, if the mother wasn't involved, she would've seen something herself (if she was looking out the window to see him occasionally, as she claimed). Even if it was just a car driving by or a neighbor walking by.
I grew up in the 70s and I'm always struck by the differences between the world children lived in then compared to now. This isn't a "good old days" kind of thing, it really is a better world for children now. First, the phone call because I contributed to the conversation on Twitter and I wanted to comment on the new information presented here. While we now have the mindset of any cost to save a child this is a modern idea. My grandparents were children of the Depression and refused to get hot water in their house for years. At one point they accidently scalded one of their children in the bath from pouring freshly boiled water from the stove to rinse. That a similarly aged couple would refuse to make an expensive phone call for a probably just hiding in the barn child doesn't surprise me at all.
Second, that the child was allowed to play in the yard for 5 hours is completely normal for the time. That this mother additionally had already lost children shows that even for the time she was a pretty lax parent and I get the sense she was particularly unaware of what was going on. It's because of cases like this that people don't leave their kids out all day anymore. We learned.
I suspect that the mother is glossing heavily over something important. I'm reminded of the Nicolas Barclay case.