History Primer 065: The Pedersen Device Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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I can imagine Othais giving a pre-battle briefing-
"We'll be advancing on the enemy with a lot of dudes delivering suppressive fire with our super secret weapon. Unfortunately, the enemy has a lot of dudes too so it won't be a cake walk."
"But we will ventilate some poor sucker."
@@k_enn
"And if the bullets don't go all the way through, well that's his problem."
This really is a great contribution to our corner of history. The books I read as a kid always mentioned the Pedersen Device as an aside. Never any pictures. Now, here we are, lots of close ups, disassembly, and the one thing I never thought I'd see - someone firing the damn thing. To top it all off a crazy beard-o is just giving the info away for free. My hat's off to all of you at C&Rsenal.
Precocious child you were.
Fuzzy Dunlop Bus rides while reading books about the World Wars and my Discman playing the Replacements or the Clash. That was my childhood.
Vic Mars Same here my friend. Ever since I was a kid and read about the Pederson Device in a book Ive been very interested. - Jacob S.
"Discman?" Kids these days. Not satisfied with a perfectly good Walkman. :-)
He convinced me that the Pederson Device would have been a bad weapon in practice. It always seemed like a brilliant thing that came out just before the end of the war, but perhaps it wasn't so hot...
The US army must have had the biggest set of blue balls with the First World War in perspective. They have Thompsons, BAR's, and Pedersen's all ready to stack bodies on the trenches and then the Germans go: "Nein, we quit."
Mr. Mzr Thank god they did though, right?
On the one hand, yes (War = Bad).
On the other hand, it delays learning what the platforms are capable of doing and their shortcomings (Both BAR and Thompson fight WWII and were more or less obsolete, but, we didn't know that).
Don't forget the paratroopers Billy Mitchell wanted to drop from the wings of bombers for the 1919 offensive and the 37 ton Mark VIII 'Liberty' tanks that were going to be used.
Oh and lets not forget what the British didn't get to play with: 200 Armored Personnel Carriers.
or our amphibious tanks and Aircraft carriers
Mr. Mzr Our Guns will block out the Sun! -America 1917-1919
I'd like to say how much I appreciate the "war were declared" clips.
i appreciate "were" declared even more
I appreciate how he says it ☺️
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And thus it was designed, and thus it was never used
And thus, a French Army Bureaucrat said "STANDARDIZE ON ZIS!". Because what could be more French than a cartridge this odd?
And then Gun Jesus would adopt it.
And then S&W would come out with ".30 Super Carry" and not even know they had re-invented the wheel.
@@TheWalterKurtz This is reinventing a square and sanding the edges off until it works. Then someone come along and patents this amazing "Wheel" idea they "came up with"
I did as you said and went to watch the Springfield 1903 video. That video told me to watch the earlier Krag-Jørgensen video. It's nearly five hours later and I don't know whether to curse you or thank you.
excellent review.
Same here, lol
After the Air Service rifle and this, for Mae's next trick she will shoulder fire a Lewis gun with a 97 round magazine, one round at a time, smiling throughout.
Maxim 08/15 or nothing.
Dual wielded M1915 Villar Perosas
Here's Mae doing walking fire with a Lewis (admittedly, not to shoulder, but it's still standing fire.) Dreams _do_ come true. :-)
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Didn't these guys request a dual-Lewis aircraft weapon setup for the show?
In before Ian does a 2gun match with this.
InRange mud test! That's what I want to see.
At the age of 12 I bought 2 M-1903 Mk l's. I bought them because I thought they were cool as hell. Of course, in 1970 when I was reported KIA in South Vietnam; my mother sold off some of my mil-surp guns, before I could call home 'n' tell her I was still on top of the grass. Good by to my M-1903 Mk l's... Damn it!!!
That is a pretty metal lost guns story
I paid $10.00 for both M-1903 Mk l's that were in original issue condition!!! Dr. Stewart Lathrop also had at least 6 complete Pedersen devices, with ammunition!!! I must say that It was a good squirrel, woodchuck 'n' rabbit killing machine...
How long did it take for you to be able to call home?
I mean, some people MIA or thought KIA were in no positions to contact anybody, and often took months, sometimes even years in the case of post-war POW's to surface.
Your mom sold of.. memories of her son.. or she hated the war so much.. in her right to get rid of the very thing that killed you ( as she assumed )
She retrograde tried to save you.. be blessed.
The Pederson could have been an excellent surprise weapon for a while, in combined arms and night attacks like those that were occurring in 1918 and planned for 1919. supressive fire from tanks,artillery, and aircraft would have covered the longer ranges. In Night attacks the low noise level would have led the Germans to underestimate the size of the attack force. I suspect it would have had a short service life, leading to replacement with submachine guns, BARs and Bazooka's(against pillboxes and small fortifications) as the assault weapons of choice..
Martin Horowitz yup night attacks this thing would shine. However mag loading would have to be very well trained since Mae and Othias had troubles loading and most WWI boys weren’t very experienced gun fans like them.
However, don't forget that the device that Mae shot was around 100 years old, and back in 1918 they would have been new.
But I guarantee Othias and Mae are way more interested in guns then a GI 100 years ago. Of course the mechanics are old and beat to crap so it will never get a fair test.
Agreed, but bazookas did not exist until ww2.
Everything but the trench would be better served by a light machine gun, bazooka's didn't exist. In a trench you're probably not going to want to have to reload this thing, it would be much better to use a side arms so you still have your long gun handy don't forget that bayonet. Especially as you are entering a trench the enemy know better than you and as US Soldiers have only been in the trenches for a year at most will be a lot less experienced than the foe they face.
lol armistice were declared
for whole... 21 years... ahh my sweet sweet Europe
We've had peace since my grandma was born, if you're not counting Jugoslavia. And Ukraine.
Václav Fejt sooo...civilized and peaceful, except for all them times. I see.
And the Troubles. And the fact half of Europe was most of the time communist and a part of the Warsaw pact. But we're trying! :-D
Tomek Inn
actually for around a year. then PEACE WERE ENFORCED.
YES! This is why your channel is worth the pledge, stuff like this, in depth, super detailed. Top marks, Othais.
I have several pledges, all of minimal amounts, but I feel my dollars are more appreciated and put to use by this channel than any of the others. I love them all, but this one is a real labor of love and actually 'needs' the money. Most of the others are labors of love too, but they don't 'need' the money or use it as efficiently as this channel does.
*Somewhere on the Hindenburg line in a possible 1919.*
HANS! They all have machine guns! HANS RUN! WHILE YOU STILL CAN!
We have too, so who cares? Used MP18 to kill them all.
At that point it was about food.
@@23GreyFox Dude they didn't even make 35,000 total MP 28s in the whole war.
At any given time they had a fraction of that.
While the MP28 was significantly better, a couple SMGs aren't going to make a difference against a regiment of these things at close range.
Plus the Pedersen mags had higher capacity, and were in all likelihood more reliable.
Now I'm not saying it's a wonderweapon. The effective range was much smaller than they wanted it to be and odds are light machine guns and grenades would have made their advance a lot more pyrrhic than they planned. The Americans undoubtedly still would have won as it can't be overstated how big a difference it makes to have a fresh force from an industrial nation enter a war, but I get the feeling this device would have ended up as another specialty weapon not unlike the MP18 but a lot more numerous.
@@23GreyFox most mp18's were given to the shock troopers and attacking guys.as such they had a higher loss rate, most trench defenders had the standard issue gew98.
@@coaxill4059 I'm here because of one in my family had a MP18 and survived some bayonet attacks.
French Officer: "Take this Label, you get 8 rounds before reloading."
French Soldier: "I'd prefer a faster reload like the Germans have."
French Officer: *Rolls Eyes* "Fine then, take this Berthier. It uses stripper-clips and everything. Now you get 3 rounds before reloading."
French Soldier: (-_-)
You get 10 shots out of a Lebel if your willing to fully load it. You don't get a safety though.
British soldier: *laughs in Lee Enfield*
The Berthier doesn't use stripper clips at all
The bigfoot fairy UFO unicorn of WW1 guns, and C&Rsenal has a video on it. Not surprised.
I'm not a gun person, but I am an engineer and I very much appreciate your ability to be technical, historical, and a bit humorous. It is a blend which works well. I found the Pederson story, which was totally new to me, fascinating, particularly how it played out in real military terms.
Cyril Figgis: "Who says YOU get to decide who gets the money?"
*Sterling Archer draws his M1911 Pistol*
Sterling Archer: "John Moses Browning?"
Great episode guys! A pistol in a rifle, now I want a Pistol in a Artillery piece.
Sterling used a Walter
Best fucking Line. God I love that show.
To be fair, you can a lot of rifles mounted into rocket launchers.
late response but there is a russian tank training thing that puts an ak next to the main gun barrel and is conected to the firing mechanism, so you train your gunners with 5.45 ammo instead of tank shells
Rpg training rockets?? Shoot a 762
I think this is the earliest time in a video where “war were declared”
You got that right.
And a rare "armistice were declared".
Insert "well that escalated quickly" meme lol.
Also a "Well that deescalated quickly"
armistice were declared: top 10 anime plot twists
I saw live fire of a Pedersen device. Something I never thought I would see. AWESOME video guys.
TY for doing a special on the Pederson Device & showing all the Pros & Cons and dispelling a few myths. Found your channel through The Great War & Forgotten Weapons. Its very enjoyable that you go in depth on the weapons you cover and the fact that the featured weapons get fully demonstrated & fired realy makes your channel stand out. TY again & looking forward to seeing all your future work.
Re-watching this episode because it's soothing to listen to Othias while I'm doing insane stuff at work. And I hear the words "We almost had a John Moses Browning SMG with souped-up .32ACP+P+ firing from 100 round mags. Why....God....Why do you torment us like this and then not give us this glorious weapon?
"It would have been a C&Rsenal fan favorite."
In my Vader voice: "Nooooooooooo!"
I was in the bath when I got the notification. No soapy ass cheeks will keep me away!
After hearing of this device for 50 years, this is the first actual device I’ve seen. Thanks for demystifying this legend to get rid of the “if only” that had rattled in my mind. Can you imagine the potential of this device having made it massively into combat? All of us dealing with “M1 thumb” later would have to listen to the old timers telling of “Pedersen fingernail” and how we young’uns had it easy.
I keep seeing flashes in my dreams of a Springfield with an Air Service length stock with the barrel cut there, fitted with a full-auto Pedersen Device in it.
With the Warner scope on it's side
It’s the best way for downed airmen to raid trenches
Topical contextual jokes at their finest.
Only if it has the 25 round trench mag also.
Based on all the equipment available to the US Army in WWI, a correctly functioning Pedersen device probably would have been the best available option for trench assault. The BAR would have been pretty good, but with heavier recoil and a smaller magazine than the Pedersen. None of the Army's machine guns were remotely capable of being operated effectively by a single man except for the Chauchat, and that would have been functionally similar to the BAR. Trench shotguns get a lot of hype these days, but they have a relatively small magazine, are painfully slow to reload, and have extremely limited range. Othais and Mae keep talking about submachine guns, and while they would have the best choice, the US wouldn't adopt one for another 2 decades.
So as bad as it was, the Pedersen device was still probably the best you could have hoped for as a doughboy tasked with assaulting a German trench.
Masterful. As usual. I'd like to see more of that Frenchman dancing at the Armistice though..
britishmuzzleloaders ,. 3&. the&3 44..
He has to be the most famous French man of 1918. He's always slightly disturbed me, Rob. He seems to He taking the dance VERY seriously... well.. he's French and whilst we love the French, they can be a tad... well...'intense'
Man, this specific Pedersen device is going to pinball around the gun-circuit like Matt Farah's million mile Lexus
Pedersen device in my real gun!
Is this Matt Farah's million mile Lexus?
@@scrooglemcdoogle what is the million mile lexus??
I admire those that defended themselves and the secret devise's funding and resources spent for its production and adoption.
Is that an Ottoman 1893 in the background? Nice.
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MAE WERE DECLARED!!!
Joe Morrell We need to declare Mae on North Korea! :O Those commies wouldn’t stand a chance since we have the one and only Mae! :O
You should sent it to Matt at Demolition Ranches.
TAOFLEDERMAUS shoot candles out of shotguns!!!!
Or Hickok45
no
Let's not fight guys. Why don't we all just crack open a cold one and watch ModestPelicanGaming.
Shotgun out of a candle would be the trick.
It's here boys.
Daddy did it.
Kirill And he did it good!
Daddy beardy
As cool as they are, I now believe there will NEVER be any Pederson repros. It’s just not a well tested enough system and too complex for anyone to buy. The price tag would be insane, it would bring up controversies with current laws, and it might not even work out.
Amen.
As Ian and Karl often mention about other repros, there just wouldn't be enough people lining up to buy one, either due to cost or due to obscurity. Get your hands on one though, 3d scan it and it just might be possible to do some one-offs. Not for California though, not for them. No soup for you!
Player Review even if 3-d printed, the Pederson would still probably fail. One weapon I think people should give a try, once we do get to that point, is actually the Huot Automatic Rifle. Basically a fully auto Ross Rifle in combination with the Lewis Gun, but at the same time, magazines would be hard to come by as well.
Judging by the amount of failures that this system went through and the complications for properly setting it up, it seems like the best course of action would be to build something that looks like a Springfield 1903 Mk1 + Pedersen device, but in reality just being something like an oversized 10/22. Would be much easier to do and still appease that market to some extent.
While this is a dead end in development, I can see why this was seen as a good thing at the time. It was an add-on to an existing rifle in a time when the armament board had a tough time finalizing any new weapon designs. All of us that subscribe remember the sights argument. Necessity being the mother of invention, for both weapons and tactics; I think the juggling act between bolts would have ended quickly. Pederson devices would have been equipped at the start of the attack on a portion of the rifles, while others stuck to stock 1903/1917 setups. The pederson shooters would have been told to hold fire until they were ready to storm the trench, while the stock riflemen would have fired at targets of opportunity/suppressive fire along with the light machine gunners. Take the trench and if/when you had breathing room, reassess your squad configuration to maximize holding of the trench.
Yup. My thoughts were on using a mix of firearm configurations. Also, urban combat, maybe?
When you're in the middle of a war, having a great solution for the specific situation you're in is a lot better than an eventual (better) solution that arrives far too late to matter.
I would have thought the Pederson Device would have been more useful on the defense, having a fast reloading 40 round magazine, trenches would be far more difficult to take for the Germans.
Blessings from Australia 🇦🇺🙏
Thankyou for all the effort you all put in . Ps - Don’t mess with Mae ❤️
Yo Othais my boi you looking for kids anytime soon? Maybe Mae is?
Cause I got a few last night I need to offload real cheap labour don't speak much English and they do what theys told
Fucking zman.
Also prerequisite viewing: Novak having a gatgasm over it last week.
Gatgasm. Nice
You sir have earned my subscription to your channel.... The "modification" of the bolt action rifle to be converted into a semi-auto pistol caliber rifle is just one little instance of ingenuity at work within the basements, labs, workshops and offices of inventors and average Americans. Loved your everything about this video simply amazing an a wealth of knowledge! Thanks for your work and looking forward to digging through your library of knowledge and future videos.
Huzzah! I've finally made it! I slogged it through dozens of episodes to get caught up to this point. I watched through times both happy, and sad. I watched when your delivery of historical context put me to sleep, and I watched when the same history made my every nerve tingle in excitement. I patiently rushed through 3+ hours of content about 2 wonderful American rifles to make it to this moment. I am finally here, The Pedersen Device. I have returned from that moment in time from so many months ago that I tried to skip ahead, and you told me, " I have to recommend that you do not go another second further unless you've watched our 1903 episode."
imagine sawn-off M1903 + pistol grip + horegrip + Pedersen Device....
i need that thing
“8 inches of penetration is plenty at close range!” WELL SAID!
Hey, the .32ACP Ruby proved a .30 Cal pistol isn't that bad an idea.
I just dug out my grandfathers M1903 Springfield Mark-I, the barrel is roll stamped S.A. 5-19 and does have an ejection port milled into the left receiver rail. I was curious so I looked, and behold it does still has both it's original split trigger sear and hook notched bolt cut-off that you described and demonstrated. So it would appear that if could find a Pederson device (that worked) I'd be all set for a little trench action. ^_^
*Flails happily*
Wow! that Pedersen was a mechanical genius. Just found your Channel from forgotten weapons... Nice work! Great job!
Somewhere, someday in the future, someone will open a box marked "Pedersen Device" and find it also includes a certificate of provenance which proclaims "This is the one Mae shot".
I always figured that if the Pederson device was refined a little bit, and a method of fully automatic fire developed, it could have been used to convert 03's into SMGs in ww2.
I was expecting it to lock in like a bolt, not lock in via the bolt catch.
Somehow, Armistice Were Declared is not as exciting as War Were Declared.
Great episode once again guys, well worth the wait and the sleep sacrifice!
Matthew Shermer
War were declared, IIRC, spurred much resistance to
Draft as Vietnam War inspired
Woodrow Wilson was elected on Neutral to European war platform/ immediately dumped that pledge.
A crimmas miracle
Ohhh othias you sweet summer child laziness is undefeatable
Been up for 24 hours,.. the least I can do is stay up till 1:30 to watch the entirety. Thanks for sacrificing so much Othias and team!!
lemme go make some soup, this is gonna be a long one
This video provided the first clear images of the Pedersen Device I've ever seen and of course a the first clear (to me at least) description of how it worked/was supposed to work I have ever seen. As a former soldier myself, I can't see anything good coming out of the design in a combat situation based on my experience with young men who had little or no experience with ANY firearm prior to somebody handing them a bullet launcher during basic training. When you take into consideration how "basic" the training was back then I can only imagine how difficult it would have been to train raw troops on the finer points of utilizing, caring for, and feeding the Pedersen Device while under fire from heavy machineguns and in the muck and mud of a trench line. Nothing good for those troops could come out it me thinks. I've also seen references over the years, to Mr. Pedersen being Mr. Browning's "favorite gun designer".....And I think I know why now. As long as Mr. Pedersen was around Mr. Browning could sell just about any design he could dream up to just about anybody since most of his firearms designs were really pretty simple and tended to work even under sever conditions and in the hands of kids from the Bronx or from the Back Side of Nowhere Texas. And so the B.A.R. would remain in U.S. Army inventory for decades after WWI while the Pedersen Device would become something of a historical footnote, though a fascinating one indeed. Excellent video indeed! Keep 'em comin'!!!
Can't wait to see what's next, kind of hoping for more weird 32acps or hour long rifle videos.
YES! YES! FINALLY SOME AMERICAN FIREPOWER AT LAST!
(Starts chugging moonshine and bacon)
- Jack the Korean Gun guy
You never want to “fiddle with IT” while under fire. Wait til you’re back at the latrine.
Your skill at finding the rare stuff puts me in hope of seeing a howell or farquhar hill on here
One of those has been semi offered before in the most glorious abuse of power I have ever seen.
Yeah a more in-depth look at them than Ian from Forgotten Weapons did in his videos would be awesome, we live in hope.
I am a humble man, still waiting on the 1911 and the M97.
In battlefield 1 this gun pisses me off slightly as when I first used it, I was unaware of the option to swap it to bolt action as at the time the gun existed in the game, it was the only gun to do that, so I was not expecting a bolt action to do that.
i love C&Rsenal... i'll support you with money when i get my first job, i promise, thank you for lighting fire in my heart, my love to ww1 firearms is great like war that happen 100 years ago, (you know... an Great War.. heh... uh..)
one of the few times we will ever see Armistice were declared.
Another great video, especially liked the addition of the period webbing kit Mae was wearing!
Ps just had your t-shirts arrive and there great ! Keep up the good work.
Thanks for your order. And, the web gear was out of site solid......
I always wondered how much the 30 Pederson cartridge influenced the 30 Carbine cartridge.
"Ross Rifle terrifying"
lol
When it comes to the designs of John Pedersen, you could say I'm a pederphile. Actually, please don't.
Thank goodness you got Mr. Zip, Zip, Zip in one finally!
Wow! Over an hour of juicy info on the Pederson Device? Amazing! You guys really out do yourself. Pleaassseee keep up the GREAT work. Yall have come a loong way. - Jacob S.
Impressive work guys, managing to get your hands on this rare piece of weaponry.
The producing of more Mk 1 rifles than Pederson devices actually makes sense.
You can distribute the rifles thoughout the Army and then give units Pederson devices as needed.
I could have seen them going to 100% Mk 1 rifles for this reason.
You’re right. 6Million is a ludicrous number. Makes me highly skeptical when i hear it
Why US did so much bad decision over the course of WWl? Like: Not using the BAR from the beggining, deplyoing alot of BARs onto the battlefield;
- Not using JMB Idea for a SMG
- Keep using the Chauchat in 30.-o6, even the regular Chauchat for that matter...
US had everything to come into the war and end it faster than they did IMMOH
Oh look a secret weapon? I wonder where the not so secret colt M1911 pistol is coming?
A +P+ 32 acp smg with 100 rd mags designed by st jmb himself? (cries in american)
Sleep is for the weak, this is more important.
I love the fact that Othias waited until 45 minutes into the video to tell the world what a piece of junk this thing was. Still wicked cool though.
Jesus christ. I was going to go to bed early...
Yay Armistice were declared!... ☮
A shame the French ruined it.
War were declared in the 3rd minute? I am shocked! SHOCKED!!!
Your winnings, sir.
Imagine if the Pedersen Device came in a fully automatic version
I can imagine it: pew pew pew jam pew pew pew jam
I think I can solve the mag issue pretty quickly:
As part of the device installation you attach a short magwell to the device using the mount system currently in place. The magwell adapter would be about two inches long and feature modern-style locking and release mechanisms.
From that point forward, until the device is removed from the rifle, mag swaps are performed using a release button and a straight insertion.
When removing the device from the rifle, the magwell would be disconnected first, then complete the removal as designed.
At that point, I'd need to look closely at one, but it might be possible to add a short-stroke plunger to the magwell to assist positive ejection of the spent brass.
That's what I was thinking. Was going to mess with one that fed from mas38 SMG magazines.
It makes me immeasurably happy that you are doing this video
I suspect the reason why the rifles were continued beyond the Pederson device total was intentional on the part of some mid-level official who was trying to plan for the future. The Government, keen not to find itself unable to arm all soldiers with standard rifles again, continued to expand the Springfield Model 1903 reserve after the war, albeit slowly. Since the Pederson rifles were perfectly usable as ordinary rifles, and the Pederson Device itself might suddenly be in demand again, having 85,000 additional rifles able to take them would represent only a benefit to the reserve that had to be expanded anyway.
Yep, much cheaper to continue making the mk1 rifles than it is to change tooling.
God damn Armistice ruining everything.
According to bruce canfield...it was NOT 8 million rounds but 8 HUNDRED MILLION. As in 800,000,000 or 5000 rounds(and 40 mags) per device being ordered.... plus another 950 rounds each device for the 133,450 devices total.
-"The Army placed orders for 133,450 devices and 800,000,000 cartridges for the 1919 Spring Offensive. General John J. Pershing requested 40 magazines and 5000 rounds of ammunition be shipped with each device"
-"The contract was cancelled on 1 March 1919 after production of 65,000 devices with 1.6 million magazines, 65 million cartridges and 101,775 modified Springfield rifles."
-"The United States Army paid Pedersen $50,000 for rights to produce the device and a royalty of 50 cents for each device manufactured from Remington and the army, each. The Army paid for all necessary machinery required to manufacture the device, and Remington received a net profit of two dollars for each device and 3 cents for each magazine."
So in the end it's a proto M1 carbine that is good for its intended purpose (and ONLY its intended purpose) when it runs perfectly and sucks when it doesn't. For WWI that still would have been great compared to a rifle or moving a 20+ pound LMG around in hip-fire but now that there is a fairly definitive video out we can take our rose tinted glasses off. Cool in concept for its time, fairly bad execution
Beg to differ. The m1 is locked breech, gas operated, totally different use. Just sayin.....
Light bullet, high velocity, low recoil, fast follow up shots...
I can see why browning was such a fan of pedersons work. this sounds like such an amazing and very forward thinking idea, just that the execution of it was fumbled. makes me wonder what it would have been like with trials to help fix the issues with it
This made my day, hooray Othais and May
The question I'm left with is how they got one to fire 80 rounds in a row.
Re: the Marines, I guess they'd got wind of the Thompson by 1923, and even that kludge was way better than this one.
I guess if these _were_ used, it'd probably have pretty quickly become in a combined arms fashion, so no one would've had to switch in the field...and maybe they even wouldn't have had to carry the extra rifle ammunition.
I was going to call the cops if the clock had passed 12:00 tonight, just like O-san had asked us to do in a vidya a few weeks ago...
This was always a novelty the ordnance department entertained as a wonder tool. The mag, the swap out, pistol caliber all doomed for failure. At best, in ideal conditions, at a range it's ok. Imagine being shot at, in the rain at night trying forvsa swap out in mud, then getting the mag in with slippery hands.
It fathoms me how you get all these rare firearms
Work hard and keep your promises and people start to notice.
I love the concept !! Enough so in fact, that I'm really tempted to do a newer design....! How many '03 owners out there, do ya think would like one ??? Great show & tell folks !!
War were declared quite early!
I feel you should do some music everytime J.M. Browning is brought up like they did for Randolph Scott in Blazing Saddles
French contract Winchester 1907 soon?
Thanks for telling us about the "lie." The lie was fun to watch. I'm glad you edited it the way you did. It's fine with me as long as you "fess up" afterwards.
Thanks for a fun video. I'm pretty sure it's the first I watched on this channel.
* heavy breathing
"Gangsta" shooting(leaning the gun to the left) while the magazine stays on top would have helped with the reliability issue, but that's just my estimate...
I get ready to go to bed and this gets posted...