@@DreddPirateRoberts I doubt it. I mean think about it. Browning was the one who was charged with refining Pederson's design. Obviously it was flawed and expensive, but I think Browning's statement is more a testament to Pederson's overall ingenuity in trying new things. For an Engineer, an expensive, unruly design that you can work off of to refine into an easily manufactured and streamlined design is a huge inspirational tool; at the very least.
Browning invented the modern firearm as we know it i.e proper calibers and magazines and gas blow back an yada yada he is my hero and so is carlos hathcock
It almost sounds like John Pederson was a man doomed to be left behind. Pistol: "Eh, too late, should've gotten it done a year earlier." Pederson device: "Eh, should've gotten it done a year earlier." Military Rifle: "Sorry, Garand swooped in while you were tweaking your rifle."
I have a Gamemaster 141 in .35 that was handed down by my great grandfather (like the second gun shown here). As well as a Remington Model 12-C (like the first gun shown here) Thank you Mr. Pederson for all the fantastic designs that have been passed down through the generations
My father bought me a used model 37 in 1962, I always been a great gun, and my 23 year old grandson covets it. He haggled the price, which in the end was $60.00, with 2 boxes of shells. The shells didn't last long. A stroll down memory lane for me. Thanks a bunch!
Ian, I have to comment and say how absolutely wonderful it is to see every one of your videos. You are terrific at showcasing the item and explaining the relevant history from an objective point of view. Its a real joy to see any video from forgotten weapons pop up on youtube. - Greetings from Denmark :)
+BikerRussell ive never seen 1 single negative comment on his videos, this really is an extraordinary channel, not only the very accurate history, but the in depth knowledge of the politics behind the weapons and of their time, and the mechanics and what went into making the firearms. i can "waste" hours upon hours watching Forgotten Weapons
assuming you live in a free country... you should really change that... the only thing more fun than learning about guns, is actually handling and firing them! 😁😁😁
Amazing to think a life ending nearly 70 years ago, with such an impact in his time, yet very little evidence remains. Browning is visible all around us and to think of his respect for Pedersen is really something. Great video, Ian.
Grew up around the Ithaca 37. My Dad had one with a 30 inch barrel, full choke. It shot high right, so when we went to turkey shoots in the fall he always whispered to aim at the bottom left of the target. That method won a lot of shoots and we brought home a lot of meat, not counting what it killed in the field, from pheasants to deer.
Bluith It was probably intentional and it was simply genius.This is why i love the channel,the content of each video is absolutely amazing and educational,Ian explains everything about very interesting guns while he does that in a way that never bores you.Keep up the good work Ian!Cheers from Italy.
My 22 pump like that is by far the most accurate gun I’ve ever shot and for not being cleaned or greased in generations it’s still surprisingly smooth operating
The 1st time I ever heard of Pedersen was when I was in my early teens, it was in a great article in a gun book that was on the "Pedersen Device" n how it would have changed WW1..... It talked about how the Pedersen device's built were destroyed n few were ever salvaged. Now I can see the actual device on TH-cam.... Mind you when I 1st read that article the Internet was strictly text based, no gifs or jpegs lmao nothing like today.... I love your videos
I have a 1916 Model 14 in .35 Remington. its a takedown model. slickest action ever and very accurate. It has filled my freezer many times. I have a short video displaying it.
Love the info, these are completely out of my price range and would be an absolute mismanagement of my limited firearms budget, but just to take in the history of it and admire the craft of the engineers and your sincere appreciation of them and these rare examples keeps me watching your videos religiously, thanks
If you already have I apologize for missing it, but you should make another video of this sort with the fire arms of John Browning, could be a very interesting, long video.
Regarding the Pederson Device, my inner gun nerd is screaming "Um, actually" at this moment. The Pederson Device required a specially modified 1903 Springfield, which had an ejection port milled into the left side of the receiver. It also had a modified cutoff, sear and trigger. These specially modified Springfields were marked as "Model 1903 Mark I" on the receiver, and can be worth more than a standard 1903.
Ian you said that the pistol was manufactured after world war two in 1918-1919 course you know that that's world war one so i guess that's a place for an annotation
ScreamingSturmovik some day a kid will stumble on this and ask what does he mean? Seriously though removing annotations was a stupid idea and I don’t understand the thought process.
@@codypainter3905 TH-cam has always removed the best features. Remember when you could have response videos directly linked below the video? Boy, what a fun feature that was.
@@InvidiousIgnoramus User generated captions lol. Also all those random tags/buttons hahaha. But I miss the star ratings system almost as much as the annotations and creator links. Then they could link whatever at any point in their video.
I have a model 12 passed down from my grandfather's grandfather and it's one of if not my favorite gun. Accurate, light, reliable and perfect for plinking and small game.
Brilliant as always! You'd make a fortune on mainstream TV , get together with Othias from C&Rsenal and give the TV stars a run for their money . Well done & thank You Ian & the rest of Your Team !
UK broadcast TV is ok but We don't much in the way of shooting sports , plenty of football etc. and a bit of fishing content interspersed with a liberal dose of motor sports but that's about it for what I thinks worth watching . @@upscaleshack
As long as it’s a high-melting round, it would excel in as damp an environment as the Pacific. It’s not actually that hot there, it’s just so humid that it feels like an oven mixed with a sauna
I just can't stop watching this channel!!! So much interesting history. Saginaw, the entityy that would go on to (to me anyway) be a name synonymous with power-steering boxes of all things, made guns for the US war effort??? Never knew that, fascinating...
Saginaw steering gear had 2 plants, one in Saginaw and the other in Grand Rapids. I believe the Grand Rapids plant was originally the Irwin - Pederson facility.
Just pointing out, A well tuned gallery gun is a very underrated thing indeed. Pump action, with a tube magazine, is kinda perfect for small rimfire cartridges. I'd love to see an accurate semi auto plinker/rabbit/squirrel rig in .25 or .32.
skeeter sorenson Have you seen the new breed of Danish politicians? They will put your remark to shame... Unfortunately Denmark is being overrun by politically correct morons and coward bedwetters looking for jobs in the public sector and none of these bastards are making anything of any value, except sucking the money out of the few left in the country, who in fact are making real value-added work.
I’ve learned what the pederson device was on this channel, and since then I’ve been fascinated with it and the weapons that use it. Such an interesting design.
I think a modern reproduction of the Pedersen toggle-lock action in .223 Remington w/ a detachable magazine, slightly refined, would be really cool. Do you think there is a way to need the cartridge lubricated?
Back in the 80s, i bought a secondhand book, ^guns of the world^, printed early 70s, this was the first time i had heard of the pedersen device, very unusual and fascinating device,
I have one of those .22 pump actions (a very similar one with a round barrel) and the only info on the rifle is "Keystone E.K., Tryon Co. 22., S,L&LR". I looked it up and what I found showed one of those rifles as a predecessor in the series, but I don't remember if it mentions Pedersen. Could my rifle be one of Pedersens designs or would it be someone else?
I inherited two Model 12s, one from my grandfather and the other from my father. The first is full size takedown model with octagon barrel, made in 1926, and the other is a carbine, made in 1919. Both are still in perfect working condition and and will be passed on to my grandson and my nephew.
I have one manufactured in '46. It's chambered in 16g and it's bottom ejection, my grandpa gave it to my dad and my dad gave it to me as it was my great grandfather's originally. That shotgun fed my family for 3 generations as ive only used it a few times for rabbits and squirrels, damn thing kicks like a mule.
The best channel i know of. I grew up around guns Grand father and Father some of the guns i would see as a little boy are in this video my grand father had many of the guns shown here just amazing. Knowing my Father and grand Father were sharp enough to buy and keep guns like this.My Grand father Had Pedersen device He said the same thing Ian said about 100 made.just said he got it from a friend......
Its crazy to think in a Country that's is so pro gun and a 2nd amendment. We are influinced by just a few great gun designers. I know there are others but we should have had 100s of browning and Pederson like designers. Nowadays with the ar15, we see so many new designs and accoutrements. Thank God for the Late Winchester, Browning, and Pederson's. The greats! I love History, and being a Machinist, Gunsmith I marvel at the Design aspects, Let History NOT be forgotten. Thank you Forgotten Weapons. Cannot stop watching. I have so many gun, ammo books.not yours yet, soon. I applaud you for the endeavor of publishing. Save our second with education
Yes I did I hadn't know that the 37 Ithaca was a sort of collaboration of browning and Pederson's being made by Ithaca gun company I've had 4 model 37s love them
Thank you for this episode! I rather enjoy Pedersen's designs. I own a model 51. Very underappreciated handgun. It's unfortunate in his career his military firearms didn't get the run in numbers they deserved. Only if we knew what else he has thought of that we'll never see the light of day. Pedersen and Browning coukd only of put their mind together on a dedicated design. What a firearm that'll been. I also own an 12ga. Ithaca. By far my favorite shotgun.
I've actually got an Ithaca 37 myself, ran the serial and it was made 1947. It was in pretty filthy shape when I got it, but it cleaned up nicely and functions flawlessly to this day.
One of my engineering professors told me about the Remington location in Ilion, NY and I never realized how close it is to my college. I'm hoping to get over there some day soon and tour their museum, they probably have some of these over there.
I have a Model 12. Ingenious but simple interior design where the breech block locks into the top of the receiver and the firing pin also acts as the ejector. It feeds shorts, long and LR equally well and never malfunctions or fails to feed. Ian didn't mention that it is also a take down design as were a lot of .22 rifles in the first 3 decades of the 20th century.
I remember seeing an ad in an old 1950/ 60s era Australian 'Outdoors' magazine for Vickers semi-automatic rifles along with other WW2 era surplus rifles. Assumed they were made in greater number?
Such a fundamentally flawed concept. Trying to make an s.m.g out of something that was never intended to be one and involved as much effort and modification as just putting a barrel and handgrip on it and making an actual s.m.g. out of it. W.W.1 was never going to be won by mass use of the Pedersen device, logistically it would have been a massive drain and diversion. I'm sure it was a clever solution, but for the wrong problem.
Just a bit more info on the Ithaca 37, the US army took delivery of 1420 just weeks before Pearl Harbor , if you look are the video again you will see the receiver has hunting scene engravings . They took commercial production units and added on the heat guard and bayonet fittings etc. Once war was declared Ithaca was ordered by the Army Ordnance Department to cease production and concentrate on 1911 Pistol Production.
Hey forgotten weapons, Do you bid on some of these guns when they go up for auction? Also I have a question, I recently bought 2 Nagant revolvers produced in 1932, what's weird is one of them has U.S Army over the Russian info and has the Allied star above it, would you know anything about that?
On the Remington 51: "They went into production right after World War II" Misspoke a little there. ;) I have a very nice condition .32 ACP Model 51. It's a really neat handgun, that is mechanically very clever. Pedersen's genius really shows through big time there.
It seems like Pedersons problem with military adoption was timing, a little to late to the party with his pistol design, and a little early with his rifle design (being a little more complicated)
Wow! I own, or have owned a few of these. I still have my old Model 12, and an Ithaca 37, in 20 gauge. I had a Model 10, and a Model 14, in .30 Remington. I had no idea these were all Pedersen designs. I had a mentor, that had an almost complete collection of Remington firearms. He had one of every rifle, including a one off, Rhoten Remington, and was missing 3 pistols. It was a sad day, when he died. His collection went up for auction several months later, dispersing his collection. Many of his older rifles, Remington didn't have, since they burned down, and lost those. He often wondered why they didn't replace them, since they were black powder guns, and almost worthless during the teens and into the 50's. He said a lot of the black powder guns he had, he got for less than $5.00 each. That toggle bolt rifle, wouldn't have been a very good design for a military weapon. Think about how much sand would disable a rifle like that, on the beaches of Normandy, or Okinawa.
I inherited a model 10 shotgun many years ago, I had no idea it was a Pederson design xD I just knew it as the lightest recoiling shotgun I've ever put to my shoulder.
Ian, do you have a phd or something? your videos are always a joy to watch because they're historically informative, and they don't have energetic topics, but I can tell you really love what you do. Keep it up!
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The fact that someone like John Browning saying that Pederson was the most talented gun designer is really saying alot
I think he was just being modest.
@@DreddPirateRoberts Modest and just happened to have a name ready on the fly like that?
@@DreddPirateRoberts I doubt it. I mean think about it. Browning was the one who was charged with refining Pederson's design. Obviously it was flawed and expensive, but I think Browning's statement is more a testament to Pederson's overall ingenuity in trying new things. For an Engineer, an expensive, unruly design that you can work off of to refine into an easily manufactured and streamlined design is a huge inspirational tool; at the very least.
Browning invented the modern firearm as we know it i.e proper calibers and magazines and gas blow back an yada yada he is my hero and so is carlos hathcock
@@weirdscience8341 Just watched a video on "White Feather." Can't wait to see what you do :p
It almost sounds like John Pederson was a man doomed to be left behind. Pistol: "Eh, too late, should've gotten it done a year earlier." Pederson device: "Eh, should've gotten it done a year earlier." Military Rifle: "Sorry, Garand swooped in while you were tweaking your rifle."
how many talented people have been thwarted by......timing......its the way it goes
Yes, but he was in time for the very elegant M51 pistol. I have Colt Model M's and N's but nothing outshines the M51 in .380 cal.
Ironically the Garand isn't even a good design, it's unreliable as fuck in dirty conditions
@@bigtasty42069 Reading this hurts my soul as the proud owner of one, but I can't exactly argue with you, lol
@@bigtasty42069 Garand was not THAT bad. Wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t that bad.
RIA: wasn't there a Pederson device on the table?
Ian: i have no idea what you are talking about
Hippity hoppity, this weird bolt-like-thingy is now Gun Jesus property
someone must have threw it away
I have a Gamemaster 141 in .35 that was handed down by my great grandfather (like the second gun shown here). As well as a Remington Model 12-C (like the first gun shown here)
Thank you Mr. Pederson for all the fantastic designs that have been passed down through the generations
"MMmmm... Contractual pie." 12:26
My father bought me a used model 37 in 1962, I always been a great gun, and my 23 year old grandson covets it. He haggled the price, which in the end was $60.00, with 2 boxes of shells. The shells didn't last long. A stroll down memory lane for me. Thanks a bunch!
Ian, I have to comment and say how absolutely wonderful it is to see every one of your videos. You are terrific at showcasing the item and explaining the relevant history from an objective point of view. Its a real joy to see any video from forgotten weapons pop up on youtube.
- Greetings from Denmark :)
+BikerRussell ive never seen 1 single negative comment on his videos, this really is an extraordinary channel, not only the very accurate history, but the in depth knowledge of the politics behind the weapons and of their time, and the mechanics and what went into making the firearms. i can "waste" hours upon hours watching Forgotten Weapons
+PKx ANC1ENT Same here... and I don't even own guns!
assuming you live in a free country... you should really change that... the only thing more fun than learning about guns, is actually handling and firing them! 😁😁😁
Terrific is a not good word, I'd rather say he's great. But yes I agrew
Amazing to think a life ending nearly 70 years ago, with such an impact in his time, yet very little evidence remains. Browning is visible all around us and to think of his respect for Pedersen is really something. Great video, Ian.
They disappaeared *snap*
God damn you got some swag.
"I don't feel so good.."
He shoulda hid it under the table after the cut. Still made me laugh
This guy is definitely a time traveler
What was it ur talking about
@@prodigy42013 8:08
@@anonymouscrab2013 I love it when people put the time stamp on something people are asking about to clarify 😁 thanks Crab!
Grew up around the Ithaca 37. My Dad had one with a 30 inch barrel, full choke. It shot high right, so when we went to turkey shoots in the fall he always whispered to aim at the bottom left of the target. That method won a lot of shoots and we brought home a lot of meat, not counting what it killed in the field, from pheasants to deer.
Most educational (and enjoyable) 18 minutes I've spent in a long time. Thanks.
Dont know if that edit at the end of the Pedersen device was intentional but it was fabulous
Bluith Thanks for pointing that out! I missed it the first time but it definitely looked intentional
Bluith It was probably intentional and it was simply genius.This is why i love the channel,the content of each video is absolutely amazing and educational,Ian explains everything about very interesting guns while he does that in a way that never bores you.Keep up the good work Ian!Cheers from Italy.
+Bluith It wasn't an edit Ian is a wizard
Shawn Eby Your a wizard Ian.
Well they don't call him Gun Jesus for nothing.
My 22 pump like that is by far the most accurate gun I’ve ever shot and for not being cleaned or greased in generations it’s still surprisingly smooth operating
The 1st time I ever heard of Pedersen was when I was in my early teens, it was in a great article in a gun book that was on the "Pedersen Device" n how it would have changed WW1..... It talked about how the Pedersen device's built were destroyed n few were ever salvaged. Now I can see the actual device on TH-cam.... Mind you when I 1st read that article the Internet was strictly text based, no gifs or jpegs lmao nothing like today.... I love your videos
Fantastic video! Love the combo of history and actual footage of the firearm.
my father taught me to shoot with a well-used Model 12. The slightly modified Model 121 is, in my opinion, the finest .22 pump ever produced.
I have a 1916 Model 14 in .35 Remington. its a takedown model. slickest action ever and very accurate. It has filled my freezer many times. I have a short video displaying it.
Love the info, these are completely out of my price range and would be an absolute mismanagement of my limited firearms budget, but just to take in the history of it and admire the craft of the engineers and your sincere appreciation of them and these rare examples keeps me watching your videos religiously, thanks
good stuff
Good history lesson!
Thanks
If you already have I apologize for missing it, but you should make another video of this sort with the fire arms of John Browning, could be a very interesting, long video.
I’ve got 2 model 37’s, and now I find them even more impressive. Thanks for the history lesson!
Just the firearms on the table would complete almost any collection. Those are very nice examples. Thanks for sharing.
Regarding the Pederson Device, my inner gun nerd is screaming "Um, actually" at this moment. The Pederson Device required a specially modified 1903 Springfield, which had an ejection port milled into the left side of the receiver. It also had a modified cutoff, sear and trigger. These specially modified Springfields were marked as "Model 1903 Mark I" on the receiver, and can be worth more than a standard 1903.
Ian you said that the pistol was manufactured after world war two in 1918-1919 course you know that that's world war one so i guess that's a place for an annotation
ScreamingSturmovik some day a kid will stumble on this and ask what does he mean? Seriously though removing annotations was a stupid idea and I don’t understand the thought process.
@@codypainter3905 TH-cam has always removed the best features. Remember when you could have response videos directly linked below the video? Boy, what a fun feature that was.
@@InvidiousIgnoramus User generated captions lol.
Also all those random tags/buttons hahaha.
But I miss the star ratings system almost as much as the annotations and creator links. Then they could link whatever at any point in their video.
@@InvidiousIgnoramus Not a best feature but I enjoyed the little polls in the I tab and then youtube got rid of them
I have a model 12 passed down from my grandfather's grandfather and it's one of if not my favorite gun. Accurate, light, reliable and perfect for plinking and small game.
Brilliant as always!
You'd make a fortune on mainstream TV , get together with Othias from C&Rsenal and give the TV stars a run for their money .
Well done & thank You Ian & the rest of Your Team !
UK broadcast TV is ok but We don't much in the way of shooting sports , plenty of football etc. and a bit of fishing content interspersed with a liberal dose of motor sports but that's about it for what I thinks worth watching . @@upscaleshack
I'm thinking those wax-coated rounds would have been an issue in the Pacific or similar scorching climates.
Probably any extreme temperature area. From the desert to areas like Russia and Germany
@@kalskiratta8633 Especially Tunisia.
Ian shot with them, and they seemed resilient enough.
They're a dry smooth pixie cup like coating
As long as it’s a high-melting round, it would excel in as damp an environment as the Pacific. It’s not actually that hot there, it’s just so humid that it feels like an oven mixed with a sauna
Awesome video, really ties the whole history of Mr Pederson together!
A word of advice: Don't ever snap your fingers while holfing a loved one.
Love your show.
I just can't stop watching this channel!!! So much interesting history. Saginaw, the entityy that would go on to (to me anyway) be a name synonymous with power-steering boxes of all things, made guns for the US war effort??? Never knew that, fascinating...
+Nor Wester (4Rescue) Frigidaire made some good machineguns too
bower31 Oh the interesting history you learn... That was another gem, thanks.
Saginaw steering gear had 2 plants, one in Saginaw and the other in Grand Rapids. I believe the Grand Rapids plant was originally the Irwin - Pederson facility.
And IBM made 1911's as part of the war effort. A far cry from typewriters, etc.
@@jamessilberschlag1705 Didn't know IBM made 1911s, knew they made Carbines.
Just pointing out,
A well tuned gallery gun is a very underrated thing indeed.
Pump action, with a tube magazine, is kinda perfect for small rimfire cartridges.
I'd love to see an accurate semi auto plinker/rabbit/squirrel rig in .25 or .32.
thank-you Ian! I have heard Pedersens name here and there over the years,never had the chance to drill down on my own....really great vid!
Thanks for this informative video! Learning every day!
Now I can add another famous Dane to the list of outstanding people from our small country!
Danes are the most intelligent people in the world, of course he was ;)
skeeter sorenson
Have you seen the new breed of Danish politicians? They will put your remark to shame...
Unfortunately Denmark is being overrun by politically correct morons and coward bedwetters looking for jobs in the public sector and none of these bastards are making anything of any value, except sucking the money out of the few left in the country, who in fact are making real value-added work.
A fantastic look at an impoirtant part of the history of small-arms design. Well done!
I’ve learned what the pederson device was on this channel, and since then I’ve been fascinated with it and the weapons that use it. Such an interesting design.
Mr. Ian, Never stop doing what you do Sir!
I think a modern reproduction of the Pedersen toggle-lock action in .223 Remington w/ a detachable magazine, slightly refined, would be really cool. Do you think there is a way to need the cartridge lubricated?
Back in the 80s, i bought a secondhand book, ^guns of the world^, printed early 70s, this was the first time i had heard of the pedersen device, very unusual and fascinating device,
I have one of those .22 pump actions (a very similar one with a round barrel) and the only info on the rifle is "Keystone E.K., Tryon Co. 22., S,L&LR". I looked it up and what I found showed one of those rifles as a predecessor in the series, but I don't remember if it mentions Pedersen. Could my rifle be one of Pedersens designs or would it be someone else?
I inherited two Model 12s, one from my grandfather and the other from my father. The first is full size takedown model with octagon barrel, made in 1926, and the other is a carbine, made in 1919. Both are still in perfect working condition and and will be passed on to my grandson and my nephew.
You should do more designer profiles. You could do company and "type" profiles also...
Love my Ithaca model 37's...being a lefty....Ian great job as alway....thank you Shoe.
Starting the think now that not only is it my interest in firearms that brings me here everyday, but mostly because I actually learn something.
Jean Pierre Michael Wehry was right all along!
Thanks, first time I have ever seen the much discussed Pedersen Device for the 1903.
Excellent video. So much info presented very well. Just love this series of vids.
Bow before the
True Legend of Shotguns.
ITHACA 37 !!!
They still make them.
I have one manufactured in '46. It's chambered in 16g and it's bottom ejection, my grandpa gave it to my dad and my dad gave it to me as it was my great grandfather's originally. That shotgun fed my family for 3 generations as ive only used it a few times for rabbits and squirrels, damn thing kicks like a mule.
The best channel i know of. I grew up around guns Grand father and Father some of the guns i would see as a little boy are in this video my grand father had many of the guns shown here just amazing. Knowing my Father and grand Father were sharp enough to buy and keep guns like this.My Grand father Had Pedersen device He said the same thing Ian said about 100 made.just said he got it from a friend......
Its crazy to think in a Country that's is so pro gun and a 2nd amendment. We are influinced by just a few great gun designers. I know there are others but we should have had 100s of browning and Pederson like designers. Nowadays with the ar15, we see so many new designs and accoutrements. Thank God for the Late Winchester, Browning, and Pederson's. The greats! I love History, and being a Machinist, Gunsmith I marvel at the Design aspects, Let History NOT be forgotten. Thank you Forgotten Weapons. Cannot stop watching. I have so many gun, ammo books.not yours yet, soon. I applaud you for the endeavor of publishing. Save our second with education
"Walk across no mans land, firing from the hip with a huge volume of fire" Wasn't the BAR designed for that too?
yes, as was the thompson sub machine gun. Hence its nickname "Trench Broom"
Yeah, but they didnt have that many bars. They did have a ton of bolt actions
Excellent video, Ian. Thanks for the quality information.
Micheal Wiery has some DANGEROUS buddies
Imagine Wehry was trying to meet him at 11:20
I'd like to see a transcription of your commentaries on all of these rare weapons in book form. It would be a reference for the ages.
Going to sleep every night forgotten weapons is part of my routine I wish I could pay you but I can't thank you so much. I Hope you see this Ian.
I own a Model 10 (made in 1908) and it still works. I don't shoot it that often out of respect but it certainly is very interesting mechanically.
Very informattive. Thanks, Ian!
Yes I did I hadn't know that the 37 Ithaca was a sort of collaboration of browning and Pederson's being made by Ithaca gun company I've had 4 model 37s love them
Great video!! Thanks for all your work.
Great video, well presented as usual. Cracking Stuff
What great videos. Simply fantastic.
That semi-auto Springfield bolt is super interesting. I never knew anything about that. I wonder how well they worked in practice.
Literally read this as "The Guns of Jordan Peterson", at first.
"Forgotten Weapons, eh? Guns that shouldn't be forgotten, that's a good way to think about it."
Lol the man had quite the Pederson collection.
I love this channel, I always learn something really cool when I watch your videos. Please keep up the splendid work :)
Around the 5min mark, I think you mean "World War One" since you then say 1918, 1919.
Great video though! Thank you so much for doing these!
Some fine designs with the Remington pumps. Very simple design.
Another great video,, thank you Ian!
A Rock Island Ithaca was the first gun I bought, and I gotta say its my favorite of my collection.
Thank you for this episode! I rather enjoy Pedersen's designs. I own a model 51. Very underappreciated handgun. It's unfortunate in his career his military firearms didn't get the run in numbers they deserved. Only if we knew what else he has thought of that we'll never see the light of day. Pedersen and Browning coukd only of put their mind together on a dedicated design. What a firearm that'll been. I also own an 12ga. Ithaca. By far my favorite shotgun.
Great video. Many thanks Ian
Thank you , Ian .
Interesting I have a model 14 in 35 Remington. I always wondered what those groves on the magazine tube were for.
Great vid. A huge fan of the model 37. Never knew
The Ithaca 37 was an interesting shotgun. They still make them, too.
Thank You Ian
I've actually got an Ithaca 37 myself, ran the serial and it was made 1947. It was in pretty filthy shape when I got it, but it cleaned up nicely and functions flawlessly to this day.
This makes it final. I'm growing a ponytail and telling everyone I know to call me Ian from this moment forward.
One of my engineering professors told me about the Remington location in Ilion, NY and I never realized how close it is to my college. I'm hoping to get over there some day soon and tour their museum, they probably have some of these over there.
I have a Model 12. Ingenious but simple interior design where the breech block locks into the top of the receiver and the firing pin also acts as the ejector. It feeds shorts, long and LR equally well and never malfunctions or fails to feed. Ian didn't mention that it is also a take down design as were a lot of .22 rifles in the first 3 decades of the 20th century.
thanx for the education, Ian !
I remember seeing an ad in an old 1950/ 60s era Australian 'Outdoors' magazine for Vickers semi-automatic rifles along with other WW2 era surplus rifles. Assumed they were made in greater number?
Thanks a lot Ian, really good video.
If you are ever in Lake County Florida. You can go to Pedersen's gun shop and they have a little mini gun museum in the shop.
Just look at the pedersen device and pedersen pb rifle. Who would ever think of things like that? So ingenious, so complex, so beautiful
Such a fundamentally flawed concept. Trying to make an s.m.g
out of something that was never intended to be one and involved as much effort and modification as just putting a barrel and handgrip on it and making an actual s.m.g. out of it. W.W.1 was never going to be won by mass use of the Pedersen device, logistically it would have been a massive drain and diversion. I'm sure it was a clever solution, but for the wrong problem.
Thank you ian most impressive video yet again.
"Went into production right after WW2, 1918 or 1919"
I was about to comment that error
God bless the man who came up with my model 14 1/2
Just a bit more info on the Ithaca 37, the US army took delivery of 1420 just weeks before Pearl Harbor , if you look are the video again you will see the receiver has hunting scene engravings . They took commercial production units and added on the heat guard and bayonet fittings etc. Once war was declared Ithaca was ordered by the Army Ordnance Department to cease production and concentrate on 1911 Pistol Production.
OMG yes. I had already noticed the Ithica. I am for this one video, an esteemed viewer 😁😁😁
Hey forgotten weapons,
Do you bid on some of these guns when they go up for auction?
Also I have a question, I recently bought 2 Nagant revolvers produced in 1932, what's weird is one of them has U.S Army over the Russian info and has the Allied star above it, would you know anything about that?
On the Remington 51: "They went into production right after World War II" Misspoke a little there. ;)
I have a very nice condition .32 ACP Model 51. It's a really neat handgun, that is mechanically very clever. Pedersen's genius really shows through big time there.
To get that kind of a complement from John Browning himself, wow.
I enjoyed this very much and yes I learned a fue thing.
hey! wich was first model 51 or the russian makarov?
I passed up a Remington model 10 a few years ago. Thoroughly regret it. Felt perfect.
one of my favorite guns of all-time is a Remington pump-action 30-06.
Are you... _pumped_ about it?
You _ought_ to be.
So what are you so pumped about?
I really like how you did this video
It seems like Pedersons problem with military adoption was timing, a little to late to the party with his pistol design, and a little early with his rifle design (being a little more complicated)
Wow! I own, or have owned a few of these. I still have my old Model 12, and an Ithaca 37, in 20 gauge. I had a Model 10, and a Model 14, in .30 Remington. I had no idea these were all Pedersen designs.
I had a mentor, that had an almost complete collection of Remington firearms. He had one of every rifle, including a one off, Rhoten Remington, and was missing 3 pistols. It was a sad day, when he died. His collection went up for auction several months later, dispersing his collection. Many of his older rifles, Remington didn't have, since they burned down, and lost those. He often wondered why they didn't replace them, since they were black powder guns, and almost worthless during the teens and into the 50's. He said a lot of the black powder guns he had, he got for less than $5.00 each.
That toggle bolt rifle, wouldn't have been a very good design for a military weapon. Think about how much sand would disable a rifle like that, on the beaches of Normandy, or Okinawa.
I inherited a model 10 shotgun many years ago, I had no idea it was a Pederson design xD I just knew it as the lightest recoiling shotgun I've ever put to my shoulder.
Ian, do you have a phd or something? your videos are always a joy to watch because they're historically informative, and they don't have energetic topics, but I can tell you really love what you do. Keep it up!
Awesome! Thank you.