Also it’s not that Odysseus couldn’t leave the island because he couldn’t build a raft, it’s that Calypso’s Island is in itself cursed. Anyone who washes up on Calypso’s island is fated to be trapped there for the rest of their life. They can try to leave, build a raft and all that, but the second you fall asleep while out to sea, you’d have washed back up on Calypso’s Island. There are 2 ways I know of breaking the curse. One is to get direct permission from the gods to leave the island (which is what happens to Odysseus in the Odyssey) and the other comes from the Percy Jackson Novels, where in order to leave Calypso’s Island is to fall in love with Calypso, and her to fall in love with you in kind.
Fun fact: when I was drawing Calypso in the Not Sorry For Loving You animatic I would constantly imitate her crying faces irl without noticing, so I had a lot of headaches when making that animatic The things we do for art
Lmao that's so funny. That happened to me when I decided I'd work on a very detailed piece with a very strong expression because I wanted to convey the emotion right. Made my head and jaw hurt so I stopped. To this day, that piece remains unfinished 😭😭😭
And all I could think of was that the background music is the same as a Shorts YTber I watch, so I just hear, "A common mistake artists make when drawing the..."
"What was stopping you?!" Oh, I don't know, maybe THE MAGIC SPELL DESIGNED TO STOP PEOPLE FROM LEAVING. I'm sorry, I'm not try to be mean or anything but the magic spell that trapped Odysseus was a big part of Love in Paradise and was THE ENTIRE PLOT of God Games.
Also the fact that he was alone depressed without help and a boat. The things he made to get out probably took a lot of time to make, an calypso was never a helpful presence.
My idea on the raft thing: I'm p sure Ody made the raft wanting to leave but Calypso's spell prevented him from leaving. He probably physically tried to leave with the raft but her spell kept bringing him back against his will. The point of God Games was to get Ody out from the spell. So when Hermes goes over, he is probably getting Ody out of her spell so that this time when Ody gets on his raft, he's able to *actually* leave the island now.
Exactly and its not just that Hermes goes and says to let him leave, he is there giving the verdict from Zeus that Ody is allowed to leave the island now.
This is my thoughts on the raft as well, why would Odysseus NOT try to leave in 7 years? Why would he immediately believe her and give up? The raft was just him trying and he kept it up for the hope that one day he might be able to go
And the reason Hermes can do it is because he is the messenger God! And he wouldn’t do this if Zeus would punish him for it, so Athena fighting for Odysseus had an effect, like he says.
To add some context...the island is Calypso's but when she mentions her spell in Love in Paradise, it's more of her CURSE. In Greek mythology Zeus was the one who put the spell on the island to punish Calypso for siding with her father, the Titan, Atlas. So for ANYONE to be able to leave they need to have Zeus' permission (aka, like you said, point of God Games). If Jorge is saying it's a spell she cast on her own island, why wouldn't she just lift it if she was so lonely; so that other people can stumble onto it even if she can't leave? I think the point is she can't lift it because it's not hers to do so.
The line “wash it away like the blood your hands have known” I feel is a direct opposite to Zeus’ “The blood on your hands is something you won’t lose”
Zeus: "The blood on your hands is something you won't lose" Hermes whispering: "I'mma be real with ya ody my dad is a little over dramatic, yes i know it's rich coming from me"
"...with hopes to save a friendship with one who's a prisoner far from home, Odysseus." "Divine intervention, is that what you seek? To untie apprehension, that were placed on that greek?" Either Calypso or Zues were keeping Oddy prisoner for 7 years. So building a raft was never an option until Athena intervened and got the gods to lift his imprissonment.
Yeah also maybe he built a raft in the meantime but when he tried to get on it the laws of the island caused it to be pulled back into shore, but when Zeus decided to set him free that magic was no longer obstructing Odysseus.
To explain why I think Ody beating Poseidon actually makes sense, I remember from the Jorge explanation video of god powers that yall watched a little bit of for Wisdom Saga, Jorge specifically mentioned that Poseidon is a god whose powers are mostly long-distance, and thus he is actually weak in close-combat. So Ody fighting him hand to hand actually puts Poseidon at a big disadvantage and is probably why he lost, especially when Ody seems to have the Ares quick thought as well, which boosts his hand-to-hand combat way higher
I find it so funny how they completely understand the most complicated scene (600 strike) but struggled to get the raft scene, for which we had an entire climax on the previous saga to explain (god games) 😭
I mean, nothing about the end of God Games implies Ody would know he's free. Calypso even says someone came to let her know he'd be leaving, and then when Hermes shows up in Dangerous Ody says he must have been the one to talk to Calypso. Ody had 0 idea he'd be able to leave until the moment Calypso told him he was free basically. He'd built that raft *before* knowing he could actually leave.
@@WittySomething We're not gonna see him built the raft in real time, of course. there are always gaps in time between songs. The issue they have is not the existence of the raft but them thinking "oh he could've left this entire time?" which just wasn't the case. God Games implies that he couldn't have left until I'm Not Sorry For Loving You BECAUSE he required intervention from Zeus to do so.
@@WittySomething I mean, I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't try at least ONCE to leave the island for 7 years. Just because she said he couldn’t? Ody's pretty stubborn, he'd definitely try anyway. 😂 Which explains why he has a raft.
52:06 I explained 600 Strike to my therapist, specifically the wind bag jetpack part and how people were upset with it and he was just like “But that makes sense though.” So, do with that what you will
@@NightFury11818 I mean it's just how jet pack works. If it exerts a great amount of outward force in a specific direction, and you attach it downward to your back, it's a jet pack.
@Kanamo4781 I can't speak for everyone but the thing for me isn't the use of the bag as a jetpack but that he stops mid-air. Newton's laws and all that. Like you said, it's a jetpack but he doesn't (presumably) have control over the bag's power output. ** "I don't think you seem to get it, I can't afford to die I will get back to my son And I will get back to my wife" He's just floating there. For some reason. He should be unable to sing this bc he would have shot up straight to the stratosphere. Like a rocket. ** Perhaps it could be a case of how in air ballons, they can control by changing how strong/ big the fire is. If he were to be holding the rope that is cinching the bag closed, then he could control how much it opens and closes but that's just a guess. Not sure if that's the "canon" as in that's what Jorge had in mind. Or, I saw in a fan animatic where Hermes had gifted him his shoes, so the sort of idea I got from that was that the winged shoes "grounded" him by preventing the bag from continuing it's momentum and gave him some manuverability to allow him to do the following fight sequences.
my head canon explanation for Ody beating Poseidon is that it wasn't just Ares helping him that made him win, but a combination of Ares, Aeolis, and the power of Poseidon's own storm turned against him
My theory too is that Poseidon has been just sitting there in the ocean for years. Greek gods need ambrosia to sustain their powers, which they consume on Olympus. If he’s been lurking, he’s not been consuming ambrosia. So he could literally be weaker than normal.
To add to that, I'm sort of building up the headcanon that not only Ares, but all the ones Athena convinces in God Games give something to this final fight. They aren't directly involved but Ody essentially has the blessings of many gods that combine together to make him a formidable foe. We have Apollo, who as the god of healing, healed Ody's body. Casper points out he's "just drowning" but Odysseus probably had a lot of internal damage to organs and bones going on from having a giant triton crushing him. The drowning is the primary "killer" but if he had survived the water and drowning itself, his body would still be messed up. Let alone being able to move and fight like he does. So first we have Apollo healing his body (maybe even having some temp invincibility buff too) Hephestus adds a buff to his blade, since the "i will get back to my son" line he pulls out his sword, but a regular sword shouldn't "logically" cause damage to a god, but one reinforced by hephestus could. Next is Aphrodite, as the goddess of love, people often associate that with romantic specifically, but in God Games, she sings about Odysseus's mom's love for him and how she died heartbroken. So the line "for every comrade, for everyone of my my friends" is his love of his crew in that brotherhood sense that she's pulling in from. (And we get the chorus being "600 men, 600 men" as Ody goes "600 strike" what if Aphrodite is actually giving a strength buff in this moment. Like "you now have the strength of your 600 men" so not only is ody hitting Posidon 600 times, each strike has the power of 600 men. Ares, also is giving strength in a way, in that he's drawing from Ody's emotions of anger and desperation to turn into the determination to do what must be done to get home. Hera, I'm not too sure on, admittedly. My current idea is that she essentially argued with Zeus to allow them to give ody these small blessings. Zeus was like "you convinced me to release him but you can't get involved" and Hera said "no, we're invested and you aren't stopping this" so while she doesn't have a direct "blessing", she is the reason ody is blessed by the others. TL:DR Everyone in God Games gave a gift of sorts to help out. Apollo: healed his body (possible boost) Hephestus: boost to his sword Aphrodite: gift the strength of 600 men Ares: determination and fortitude Hera: ^ made it happen.
@@MoonlitRaye That's actually a really neat idea, that over the course of his journey he wound up earning himself the blessings of several gods that all came together when he needed them the most at the climax of his journey
So the raft. How I understood it was when Calypso said "under my spell" she was referring to the spell she and the island was under that was placed by Zeus, so he let Odysseus leave and sent Hermes there to tell him.
I'm also pretty sure this isn't even his first raft. I mean, he's obviously going to try and try and try to get off this island. Maybe the spell would just gently bend the path of any man-made vessel and bring it back to the island every time, but honestly, that's not exactly how angry Olympians usually operate. I'd rather say the harder you try, the harder it hits you in the face. Odysseus probably spent seven years (or at least the first few) constantly (with small breaks to Calypso's harrasment) making more and more advanced rafts, trying to cross the magic line, crashing, and starting over. And again. And again... All the way to the brink of insanity. That's why he's so ready and skilled at handling this particular watercraft by the time he meets Charybdis. Dunno. Makes sense, isn't it?
@@techjess3560 Video just pans around like "YOU MEAN THESE, OR HOW BOUT THIS ONE OR THE OOGLES OVER THERE" and just piles and piles or ruined and destroyed rafts and splinters.
From what I’ve heard about the odyssey is basically she trapped but she can control who can leave and go. So assuming that Hermes basically said “Calypso you better let Oddy off the island”. As for raft probably just got destroyed when if he tried leaving before
MASON IS A GENIUS I've spent so long trying to figure out how on earth the accents worked for the time signature, and genuinley I was sat here trying 6/8 and 5/4 and I was so confused, but 6/8 to the 2/4 is SO SMART and you can especialy hear it in the "I already know your tactics..." on to the chorus. I LOVE THAT MY MUSIC NERD BRAIN IS REELING
It gets me in my soul that Ody’s line to Poseidon “Maybe you could learn to forgive.” Is LITERALLY in the same tune of “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves”. Ody’s taking Poseidon’s message but trying to completely turn it around like “hey, you’ve been saying this but have you considered~?” And Poseidon just comes back with a flat out, definitive “no”.
You can hear Poseidon's trumpet several times throughout, but Jorge has said he is very intentional with the specific places that Poseidon's trumpet is used. It's a very distorted trumpet in get in the water, since the more angry Poseidon is, the more distorted the brass becomes.
I view the raft as a previous failed attempt to escape. Odysseus likely built it in secret at some point and tried to escape but failed because Calypso controls the waters around her island. And so it's just been there
IM GOING TO SHARE A FACT!! In the final moments of 600 Strike, when Posideon sings "You monster," you can hear the melody of the chorus of No Longer You. DEEP in the mix. Like the piano breaks through in the brief moment betwee the words "You" and "Monster" and you have to strain to hear it. I thought i was crazy when i first heard it. AND THEN JORGE CONFIRMED IT A FEW DAYS LATER!! THE PROPHECY CAME TRUE IN THAT MOMENT!!
Chara huh? I could write _several_ essays about the thematic parallels between Epic and Undertale "Despite everything, it's still you" versus "No Longer You" "A game in which no one has to die" versus "The blood on your hands is something you won't lose, all you can choose is whose"
12:29 so in the original Odyssey (gonna keep this spoiler free btw!) no one can come or go from the island for magical reasons, as it's crafted to be Calypso's prison by the Olympians because she sided with the titans and not them in other mythology. Hermes was sent as a messenger by the gods to get Odysseus off of the island, so Ody was only able to leave via divine intervention 😁
Calypso being imprisoned on the island is not from the Odyssey! It's her home and she doesn't leave it, but it's no different from Circe not leaving her island or the cyclopes theirs. The belief that Calypso is imprisoned originates from PJO.
I’m pretty sure in the myths the gods had a spell on the island and he did try to escape multiple times but was unable to due to the godly waves that continued to sweep him back to the island like how Moana wasn’t able to leave the first time until she had the proper boat. Once Zeus decided to allow him free they lifted the curse on the island that kept him there. Which allowed Ody to leave
Zeus punished Calypso for siding with the titans in the war against the gods by trapping her on an island that had a spell cast on it that no one could come or go without his permission
In the myths Calypso was the one who kept him on the island. The Gods simply turned a blind eye and let him stay there until Athena told Zeus to let him go, and he agree. Zeus is the King of everything, so when he said let Odysseus go, she _HAD_ to let him go. Hermes went and informed them on the island to let Odysseus go.
The caduceus staff isn't actually related to anything medical, it was often mistaken for the rod of asclepius which is medical related. (Caduceus has 2 snakes, Asclepius as 1)
Finally! Someone mentioning Poseidon's face in the water at the start of "Get in the Water"! I swear this is the only reaction I've seen where someone has talked about it 😂
But wait, what about “I see your palace covered in red” and “I see your wife with a man who is haunting”? Seems to me the prophecy isn’t done until he’s at Penelope’s side again and the suitors are dead.
One thing about Hermes' dancing (that I only realised just now), he is always opposite of Odysseus on the raft. So it's very possible that his dancing is helping keeping the raft steady as Ody's fighting the various monsters, you know, instead of the raft tipping dangerously each time Ody moves to fight the various beasts. The moment Ody is sat, Hermes stays still instead of "rocking the boat"
In regards to the power scaling, there's a character in the Iliad named Diomedes who literally fights some of the gods on the battlefield. He's being aided by Athena, yes, but it's still him doing it, and I loved learning about that because for me personally it aligned really well with how they depict mortals fighting gods in Percy Jackson. A mortal can't kill a god, but that doesn't mean they can't "beat them" per se. They can win a fight, even if it's in a more symbolic sort of way. And we definitely do need Jorge to weigh in on what precisely happened when Odysseus opened that bag. Some people hate the jetpack angle because it doesn't make sense, but I know I've seen media based on Greek Mythology which says if you open the bag with intention (which, to be clear, Eurylochus didn't) then you can command the wind to a limited degree. Some people back the Ares quick thought theory, some people think Hermes literally took the windbag to the Underworld and scooped up the souls of his crew knowing full well Ody would open the bag, and THEY helped him fight Poseidon, which is why he gets backing vocals. I've seen some animators have Hermes give him a pair of winged sandals like he does for Perseus. Personally I like the idea that ALL the gods from God Games gave him a little boost, and that's the "divine intervention" that Athena won for him.
happy to announce here too that i’m working on an animatic for “get in the water” that is going to be FULLY traditionally drawn!! i’m not a digital artist so this is the best way i can do it. it’ll be a while before it’s ready as it takes a ton of time but i hope to have it out before ithaca saga premiers!! ❤ can’t wait for you all to see it!
It wasn't Hermes saying Odysseus can now go. It was Athena convincing Zeus and the other god's to let Odysseus go and Hermes (as the messenger god) just came by to tell ody he can now go
34:52 WolfytheWitch’s Poseidon design is actually different from this one! This Poseidon design was made in collaboration with Jorge, so it’s always been canon. Wolfy’s personal Poseidon is entirely made of water, huge, and looks more devious and shark-like. He also has a long beard! You can see it in A) Wolfy’s unfinished Ruthlessness animatic, and B) their shitpost animatic “Odysseus gets drunk (april fools)”
@ No one’s been able to point out a musical cue from Ares or been able to a identify identify a motif from Hades. Yes people were bringing Hades into it because they can’t just accept that jetpack go brrrrrrr. The only godly motif is Aeolus with the bag.
Hey y'all!!! First off I love your guys' content! One thing I wanted to say that I don't think anyone has caught on TH-cam yet.. so in the song Six Hundred Strike, when Odysseus is facing Poseidon and singing "For every comrade, every one of my friends, almost all who have died by your hand." It actually is a motif to Legendary. So Odysseus is singing these lines which kind of mirrors Telemachus singing "Cause' I'm stuck with your stories, but no clue who you are, and no idea if you're dead or just too far." Like it has the same sound. I'm sorry if I knew more music terms I would use them to make it more clear but if you compare the two parts you can hear that they sound the same! It's just something I thought was really cool since it's literally Odysseus singing to the same sound that his son sang. Anyways, that's my little discovery!
That is not a Legendary motif, that's the Full Speed Ahead motif (e.g. "watch where the birds fly/for every comrade, they will lead us to land/every one of my friend, there we'll hunt for food my second in command/almost all of whom were slaughtered by your hand")
Leaving this comment here to say that I love Casper's reaction to Poseidon getting stabbed by Ody because it's so PRICELESS 😂😂😂 P.S: I'm coming for Puddle Boy song Slaydes
About mortals harming gods in Greek mythology, if I recall correctly, Diomedes harmed Ares and Aphrodite. To be fair, he was distantly related to gods, but mostly he was a mortal. His great-grandfather, Talaus was Poseidon's grandchild, I think, so it would make him 1/64 god. So Odysseus is more of a god than Diomedes. Since Anticlea (his mom) was Hermes' granddaughter, Ody is 1/8 god.
My theory with how Odysseus beat Poseidon is that yes he got some help from Ares, but he's also the great grandson of Hermes, so he's not completely mortal either, just very close to. So all that combined with Hermes also being good friends with the Fates he had a better chance at surviving and getting home which is supported by what Hermes says in Dangerous, "I know, if you dance with fate Then I know, I know, you'll enhance your state". This is just my take though, it's just how I made it make since in my head.
I firmly believe he has Hermes full backing, and that includes Hermes role as a guide of the dead! That’s another excuse for the general ghostlyness permeating 600 strike.
13:26 the gods didn’t let anyone leave so when the king of the gods decided to let someone leave then the people making sure no-one leaves won’t stop that person
I agree with your point, but I’m pretty sure the spell keeping Calypso and Odysseus on are two different things (pretty sure Calypso is the one preventing him from leaving)
With the whole Ares quick thought theory. I think it's a cool, strong theory, especially when his men that he lost come back in the ensemble singing "600 men" over and over. Ares is war and courage, and in multiple pieces of media, he is seen bringing armies back to protect people.
600 strike/ending: I was cheering and just so into it. This is the content that I absolutely love. Not blind violence, but earned vengeance and recompense.
I know the scene depicts Odysseus drowning with the dead sort of dragging him down, but I figured it was the opposite. All of his ghosts were pushing him back to life. That’s why he came back to life and was powerfully enough to strike down a god. He was empowered by 600 of his comrades. Even despite their hatred for Odysseus I thought it was cool of them to help him complete his quest so their lives weren’t taken by Poseidon in vain.
In theory, I know that this joint reaction probably happened on a different day if not at least a few hours after Mortius’, but I just adore the thought of Casper minding his business on the evening/morning after his audio reaction and Mortius busting through his walls post-visuals reaction so they can scream about it together.
So odysseus is a master woodcarver, he's known to have invented many things. But while calypso is imprisoned on her island and cannot leave, nothing can happen on her island without her permission.(in the odyssey) It took the full might of zeus to force her to allow odysseus to leave.
I have thoughts about the lack of trumpets. I think it's a way to express that, just like odyssius, posiden is tired. He has been holding on to this pointless grudge(in the grand scheme of a god), keeping up a ten year storm at this point and waiting to this man at his home. Even for a god, that must be taxing. And you can kind of hear the weariness when he says "I can't". Its also a reason I think odyssius even survived.
My head-canon is that Hades is helping Ody. Think about, we see him drown but he does not die, and we hear his men chanting and helping him fight. Hermes' grandson with the help of both Ares and Hades and aided by Aeolus' wind bag would definitely be strong enough to beat Poseidon.
Hades, or at least proximity to death/the under world. In addition Hermes, in legit mythology, is someone a guide for the souls of the dead. A psychopomp. But hades WOULD have to give permission or turn a blind eye!
Oh that's not what's happening with the men. They are just Odysseus' back up vocals he has because of the god power he has now from becoming the monster and the windbag.
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I say my interpretation from posiden drowning odyssey is on purpose because in a certain story, it can be viewed worse because it could complicate the journey to the underworld. Also, i believe Posiden wanted to give him one of the worst deaths and is fitting to him. Also, with his control of storms, he could have froze his water trident to pierced him, but he didn't. He wanted him to suffer and drown he could easily use his trident to make an earthquake to shatter the ocean to make him go deep under the water to make sure he drowns.
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47:00 i dont think its ares quick tohught, im prettysure this change is symbolic of his last drop of mercy leaving him, by all means hes the monster now, at least that makes snese inside the context of the musical.
For Casper the thing hermes is holding is called a caduceus and is VERY similar to get mixed up with the medical sign which is actually the staff of Asclepius, the god of health
In addition to everyone else pointing out that Calypso was explicitly holding him prisoner via magic: in the Odyssey, he _couldn't_ build a raft until she handed over the tools to do so. Like, in addition to lifting the spell, the entirety of her "letting him go" was handing him an axe, and adze, and a hand drill.
One answer to the raft, question could be that, he built it in case he found a way to escape long ago but couldn't. Like, maybe he kept getting swept back or ended up in the same place as he started. But after the God Games, where Athena won his freedom, the ban, veil... however you might call what kept him from escaping was lifted so he could leave. That's my take on it. 😅
i love mason’s music stuff a lot, and i found it really interesting, but it was also incredibly frustrating because i cant snap my fingers and he did it like a bajillion times
My theory of "did Ody died?" is that it's a metaphor. The Odysseus that "greet the world with open arms" died cause theres nothing more he can do with kindness. So now he's full monster and will return home at all costs
This was ever going to end one way, and for me, it’s the first time a saga ended with a sense of Victory. It’s bittersweet because the abuse and damage Poseidon has done changes Odysseus into the very monster he feared. Blood doesn’t wash off your hands when the waters run red.
Notice though that Hermes says fought for you not died for you, and I feel like Calypso saying last I checked goddesses can't die, was not meant to be a throwaway line.
The trident sounds so perfect because instead of just metal scraping rock, it has a similar effect to a tuning fork with the reverberation and that echo at the end gives the image of multiple resonating tines affecting each other’s sound. Loved it so much
55:01 speaking of "greater than mortal state". In Dangerous Hermes says "I know I know if you dance with fate, then I know I know you'll enhance your state" which I think was referring to this moment
I understood the “why didn’t Ody leave the island 7 years ago” dilemma as that after calling out to Athena at the end of love in paradise, Athena went to convince Zeus to order calypso to let Ody off the island. I believed it implied at the end of God Games that because of Athena’s sacrifice Zeus decided to let Ody off the island and so by I’m not sorry for loving you Hermes, messenger of Olympus, brings Zeus’s command down to Calypso. My head cannon as to where the raft had come from is that Ody had built it years prior when he still believed he could get of the island himself but is only now getting to actually use it. He also could’ve just quickly thrown it together when Calypso was emptying her heart out during I’m not sorry for loving you (Which leads to a hilarious visual)
I can assume that Zeus agreed to let Odysseus go and sent Hermes (as the messenger god he is) to go inform Calypso of Odysseus’ freedom!! Fun fact! In Get in The Water, Odysseus uses Poseidon’s own motif against him! (Maybe you could learn to forgive) -> (Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves) Also! If you listen closely when Poseidon is “charging up” you can also hear Polyphemus singing along with him! Though I’m not entirely sure if this part is true!
I have a theory (give me your thoughts if can!!) What if… when odysseus was like drowning after the god move, He didn’t actually PHYSICALLY died. Remember how The prophet was talking about how odysseus will become a monster? Imagine if the MONSTER and ODYSSEUS were different personalities? In this scene… “Odysseus” is dead. The MONSTER isn’t. Because if you think about it, the one who killed the Cyclops was Odysseus not yet the monster he became so it makes sense if Poseidon kills the killer who killed his son and not the monster deep inside of him. Because the lyrics “i see you on the brink of death, i see you draw your final breath, i see a man who gets to make it home alive but its no longer you.” is clearly describing ODYSSEUS and how he turns into a monster, What if… He didn’t turned fully monster yet in the underworld. What if… He just turned fully monster now.
34:19 It's funny, because while Poseidon has "been waiting for this moment", I was too, for like a year. Morgan Clae's amazing audition audio of "Get in the Water" is how I discovered Epic.
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The raft is there because he couldn’t leave the island before zeus let him and he already built the raft in his seven years on the island
Also it’s not that Odysseus couldn’t leave the island because he couldn’t build a raft, it’s that Calypso’s Island is in itself cursed. Anyone who washes up on Calypso’s island is fated to be trapped there for the rest of their life. They can try to leave, build a raft and all that, but the second you fall asleep while out to sea, you’d have washed back up on Calypso’s Island.
There are 2 ways I know of breaking the curse. One is to get direct permission from the gods to leave the island (which is what happens to Odysseus in the Odyssey) and the other comes from the Percy Jackson Novels, where in order to leave Calypso’s Island is to fall in love with Calypso, and her to fall in love with you in kind.
Two suggestions:
- Lego stop motion videos (Polyphemus + Survive / Remember Them)
- sock puppet videos ( The Horse and the Infant / Just a Man)
Fun fact: when I was drawing Calypso in the Not Sorry For Loving You animatic I would constantly imitate her crying faces irl without noticing, so I had a lot of headaches when making that animatic
The things we do for art
Omg! I do the same 😅😂
Lmao that's so funny. That happened to me when I decided I'd work on a very detailed piece with a very strong expression because I wanted to convey the emotion right. Made my head and jaw hurt so I stopped. To this day, that piece remains unfinished 😭😭😭
same when Im reading PJO and HOO
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Mason deciding to take over to add his own thoughts was spooky and amazing
And all I could think of was that the background music is the same as a Shorts YTber I watch, so I just hear, "A common mistake artists make when drawing the..."
He’s getting too strong
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"What was stopping you?!" Oh, I don't know, maybe THE MAGIC SPELL DESIGNED TO STOP PEOPLE FROM LEAVING.
I'm sorry, I'm not try to be mean or anything but the magic spell that trapped Odysseus was a big part of Love in Paradise and was THE ENTIRE PLOT of God Games.
Yeah really, made me slightly mad that they just ignored that big fact ^^;
Odysseus also definitely tried to escape the island and failed multiple times. That's why he had a raft ready
Also the fact that he was alone depressed without help and a boat. The things he made to get out probably took a lot of time to make, an calypso was never a helpful presence.
Well the thing is if there is a god who can kill another god I would guess it would be the big 3 zeus Poseidon and hades so……
I love how Mason chimed in like an Athena quick thought
Mason's little black void screens with just text make it seems like he is some disembodied deity/omen overseeing Casper and Mortius
👀
I think you’re on to something 👀
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My idea on the raft thing:
I'm p sure Ody made the raft wanting to leave but Calypso's spell prevented him from leaving. He probably physically tried to leave with the raft but her spell kept bringing him back against his will.
The point of God Games was to get Ody out from the spell. So when Hermes goes over, he is probably getting Ody out of her spell so that this time when Ody gets on his raft, he's able to *actually* leave the island now.
Exactly and its not just that Hermes goes and says to let him leave, he is there giving the verdict from Zeus that Ody is allowed to leave the island now.
This is my thoughts on the raft as well, why would Odysseus NOT try to leave in 7 years? Why would he immediately believe her and give up? The raft was just him trying and he kept it up for the hope that one day he might be able to go
And the reason Hermes can do it is because he is the messenger God! And he wouldn’t do this if Zeus would punish him for it, so Athena fighting for Odysseus had an effect, like he says.
Same here
To add some context...the island is Calypso's but when she mentions her spell in Love in Paradise, it's more of her CURSE. In Greek mythology Zeus was the one who put the spell on the island to punish Calypso for siding with her father, the Titan, Atlas. So for ANYONE to be able to leave they need to have Zeus' permission (aka, like you said, point of God Games).
If Jorge is saying it's a spell she cast on her own island, why wouldn't she just lift it if she was so lonely; so that other people can stumble onto it even if she can't leave? I think the point is she can't lift it because it's not hers to do so.
14:55 Hermes is the messager of the gods. He’s delivering a message from Zeus, that’s why the “thunder bringer” motif is in it!
I thought the same ❤
OHHH That makes so much sense thats so cool
The line “wash it away like the blood your hands have known” I feel is a direct opposite to Zeus’ “The blood on your hands is something you won’t lose”
Zeus: "The blood on your hands is something you won't lose"
Hermes whispering: "I'mma be real with ya ody my dad is a little over dramatic, yes i know it's rich coming from me"
@@KingsBardtrue
Yall sleeping on “while Mortius dies of tuberculosis” WITH THE MOST NONCHALANT FACE EVER
Effing LOVE you guys!
I'm so glad Mason is being more active, he's always been the silent snark and everything he adds is just perfection!
Forget Wet Hades. Posushi saga
lmfaooo
"...with hopes to save a friendship with one who's a prisoner far from home, Odysseus."
"Divine intervention, is that what you seek? To untie apprehension, that were placed on that greek?"
Either Calypso or Zues were keeping Oddy prisoner for 7 years. So building a raft was never an option until Athena intervened and got the gods to lift his imprissonment.
I still Zues was the one who was keeping both Calypso and Ody there against there will, and I feel Athena didn't know and assumed it was Calypso,
*Zeus*
Maybe he got to the island, he was kept there for seven years without his consent, and the gods knew it all along except for Athena.
Yeah also maybe he built a raft in the meantime but when he tried to get on it the laws of the island caused it to be pulled back into shore, but when Zeus decided to set him free that magic was no longer obstructing Odysseus.
To explain why I think Ody beating Poseidon actually makes sense, I remember from the Jorge explanation video of god powers that yall watched a little bit of for Wisdom Saga, Jorge specifically mentioned that Poseidon is a god whose powers are mostly long-distance, and thus he is actually weak in close-combat. So Ody fighting him hand to hand actually puts Poseidon at a big disadvantage and is probably why he lost, especially when Ody seems to have the Ares quick thought as well, which boosts his hand-to-hand combat way higher
I think Jay also specifically made some mention of how beating Poseidon is possible if someone were to "somehow break his god move"...
I still love how Poseidon is the first person to vocally recognize Odysseus as a “Monster”, or well the first since Odysseus himself.
Except he wasn't. If you want to argue the specific word monster sure, but both his crew and Scylla both made the analogy
@@cryingtomatohead8626I would say that Tiresias would be the first, but that might be because he has spoilers
"he is the manmade monster"
I find it so funny how they completely understand the most complicated scene (600 strike) but struggled to get the raft scene, for which we had an entire climax on the previous saga to explain (god games) 😭
I mean, nothing about the end of God Games implies Ody would know he's free. Calypso even says someone came to let her know he'd be leaving, and then when Hermes shows up in Dangerous Ody says he must have been the one to talk to Calypso.
Ody had 0 idea he'd be able to leave until the moment Calypso told him he was free basically. He'd built that raft *before* knowing he could actually leave.
@@WittySomething We're not gonna see him built the raft in real time, of course. there are always gaps in time between songs. The issue they have is not the existence of the raft but them thinking "oh he could've left this entire time?" which just wasn't the case.
God Games implies that he couldn't have left until I'm Not Sorry For Loving You BECAUSE he required intervention from Zeus to do so.
@@WittySomething I mean, I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't try at least ONCE to leave the island for 7 years. Just because she said he couldn’t? Ody's pretty stubborn, he'd definitely try anyway. 😂
Which explains why he has a raft.
52:06 I explained 600 Strike to my therapist, specifically the wind bag jetpack part and how people were upset with it and he was just like “But that makes sense though.” So, do with that what you will
Like Mr. Therapist said it makes sense the bag was usable as a jet pack?
@ Exactly lol
therapist is right
@@NightFury11818 I mean it's just how jet pack works. If it exerts a great amount of outward force in a specific direction, and you attach it downward to your back, it's a jet pack.
@Kanamo4781 I can't speak for everyone but the thing for me isn't the use of the bag as a jetpack but that he stops mid-air. Newton's laws and all that.
Like you said, it's a jetpack but he doesn't (presumably) have control over the bag's power output. **
"I don't think you seem to get it, I can't afford to die
I will get back to my son
And I will get back to my wife"
He's just floating there. For some reason. He should be unable to sing this bc he would have shot up straight to the stratosphere. Like a rocket.
** Perhaps it could be a case of how in air ballons, they can control by changing how strong/ big the fire is. If he were to be holding the rope that is cinching the bag closed, then he could control how much it opens and closes but that's just a guess. Not sure if that's the "canon" as in that's what Jorge had in mind.
Or, I saw in a fan animatic where Hermes had gifted him his shoes, so the sort of idea I got from that was that the winged shoes "grounded" him by preventing the bag from continuing it's momentum and gave him some manuverability to allow him to do the following fight sequences.
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I just realized how much Casper looks like Hades from that one animatic where Hades is in God Games
... I'M SO STUPID WHAT
im gonna hold your hand when I say this -C
@@OpenArmsReactions wait what
@@among_us_imposter0115 that's Casper saying it IS him lmao
...it might seem crazy what im about to say-
@@artemis_719 WAIT WHAT
*cries in confusion*
my head canon explanation for Ody beating Poseidon is that it wasn't just Ares helping him that made him win, but a combination of Ares, Aeolis, and the power of Poseidon's own storm turned against him
Yeah all that, plus I add in Hermes’s favor to that. He has it in the odyssey, and Hermes has some authority over the dead.
My theory too is that Poseidon has been just sitting there in the ocean for years. Greek gods need ambrosia to sustain their powers, which they consume on Olympus. If he’s been lurking, he’s not been consuming ambrosia. So he could literally be weaker than normal.
To add to that, I'm sort of building up the headcanon that not only Ares, but all the ones Athena convinces in God Games give something to this final fight. They aren't directly involved but Ody essentially has the blessings of many gods that combine together to make him a formidable foe.
We have Apollo, who as the god of healing, healed Ody's body. Casper points out he's "just drowning" but Odysseus probably had a lot of internal damage to organs and bones going on from having a giant triton crushing him. The drowning is the primary "killer" but if he had survived the water and drowning itself, his body would still be messed up. Let alone being able to move and fight like he does. So first we have Apollo healing his body (maybe even having some temp invincibility buff too)
Hephestus adds a buff to his blade, since the "i will get back to my son" line he pulls out his sword, but a regular sword shouldn't "logically" cause damage to a god, but one reinforced by hephestus could.
Next is Aphrodite, as the goddess of love, people often associate that with romantic specifically, but in God Games, she sings about Odysseus's mom's love for him and how she died heartbroken. So the line "for every comrade, for everyone of my my friends" is his love of his crew in that brotherhood sense that she's pulling in from. (And we get the chorus being "600 men, 600 men" as Ody goes "600 strike" what if Aphrodite is actually giving a strength buff in this moment. Like "you now have the strength of your 600 men" so not only is ody hitting Posidon 600 times, each strike has the power of 600 men.
Ares, also is giving strength in a way, in that he's drawing from Ody's emotions of anger and desperation to turn into the determination to do what must be done to get home.
Hera, I'm not too sure on, admittedly. My current idea is that she essentially argued with Zeus to allow them to give ody these small blessings. Zeus was like "you convinced me to release him but you can't get involved" and Hera said "no, we're invested and you aren't stopping this" so while she doesn't have a direct "blessing", she is the reason ody is blessed by the others.
TL:DR
Everyone in God Games gave a gift of sorts to help out.
Apollo: healed his body (possible boost)
Hephestus: boost to his sword
Aphrodite: gift the strength of 600 men
Ares: determination and fortitude
Hera: ^ made it happen.
@@MoonlitRaye That's actually a really neat idea, that over the course of his journey he wound up earning himself the blessings of several gods that all came together when he needed them the most at the climax of his journey
I was so invested in what Mason was saying that I forgot I was watching Casper and Mortius 😅😂
23:56 CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY, LIKE THAT DELIVERY OF "we probably butchered that" and "almost certainly" was perfect
44:19 But I also want to point out how… tired Poseidon sounds.
“…I can’t…”
“No…”
It almost worked
Right? So few people reacting to this seem to bring it up…
That was something I noticed the first time I heard it. He sounded like he regretted having to keep going, but also couldn't just let Ody go.
I always took that as Poseidon playing with Odysseus, because with the "no" he sounds more sinister again
@ I really don’t think so. His sinister voice is different. There was no mocking, no humor, he was just done with it
I have a sandwich. I have a drink. My kid is occupied with something else. I am here. LET THE TORTURE COMMENCE
So the raft. How I understood it was when Calypso said "under my spell" she was referring to the spell she and the island was under that was placed by Zeus, so he let Odysseus leave and sent Hermes there to tell him.
I'm also pretty sure this isn't even his first raft. I mean, he's obviously going to try and try and try to get off this island. Maybe the spell would just gently bend the path of any man-made vessel and bring it back to the island every time, but honestly, that's not exactly how angry Olympians usually operate. I'd rather say the harder you try, the harder it hits you in the face. Odysseus probably spent seven years (or at least the first few) constantly (with small breaks to Calypso's harrasment) making more and more advanced rafts, trying to cross the magic line, crashing, and starting over. And again. And again... All the way to the brink of insanity.
That's why he's so ready and skilled at handling this particular watercraft by the time he meets Charybdis.
Dunno. Makes sense, isn't it?
I legit see Ody glaring at these two just yelling “YOU THINK THIS WAS MY ONLY RAFT?? What do you think I was doing the last decade?????
@@techjess3560 Video just pans around like "YOU MEAN THESE, OR HOW BOUT THIS ONE OR THE OOGLES OVER THERE" and just piles and piles or ruined and destroyed rafts and splinters.
From what I’ve heard about the odyssey is basically she trapped but she can control who can leave and go. So assuming that Hermes basically said “Calypso you better let Oddy off the island”.
As for raft probably just got destroyed when if he tried leaving before
@@bigwave1713 That would fit with Athena saying Ody has been trapped for seven years out of his control
Idk though
MASON IS A GENIUS I've spent so long trying to figure out how on earth the accents worked for the time signature, and genuinley I was sat here trying 6/8 and 5/4 and I was so confused, but 6/8 to the 2/4 is SO SMART and you can especialy hear it in the "I already know your tactics..." on to the chorus. I LOVE THAT MY MUSIC NERD BRAIN IS REELING
Glad I could help! There’s definitely multiple ways to interpret it, that’s just the way I find the easier for myself.
I love the.. deep ominous droning whenever mason pops in with the black screen and text.
It gets me in my soul that Ody’s line to Poseidon “Maybe you could learn to forgive.” Is LITERALLY in the same tune of “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves”.
Ody’s taking Poseidon’s message but trying to completely turn it around like “hey, you’ve been saying this but have you considered~?” And Poseidon just comes back with a flat out, definitive “no”.
and poseidon corrects ody right after! "RUTHLESSNESS IS... MERCY UPON... OURSELVES..."
mason coming in out of nowhere with ominous music and explaining his thoughts make me giggle so much
I can’t believe the last saga is next, it’s been an amazing journey
Stop your not supposed to say that /j
I'm so excited but also dreading the last saga. I love EPIC sm, I don't want it to end :((
@@AUCreatoer same
Im gonna feel so empty when this musical ends
@@AUCreatoerDw don't forget this is just the beginning. We'll still get the actual musical:). But tbh that probably will take awhile...
You can hear Poseidon's trumpet several times throughout, but Jorge has said he is very intentional with the specific places that Poseidon's trumpet is used. It's a very distorted trumpet in get in the water, since the more angry Poseidon is, the more distorted the brass becomes.
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I view the raft as a previous failed attempt to escape. Odysseus likely built it in secret at some point and tried to escape but failed because Calypso controls the waters around her island. And so it's just been there
I think in the cut songs, it's probably what happened
@@williama64 oh yeah, i think "appetite" (?) was odysseus trying to distract calypso as he secretly builds his raft
25:27 AHHHHHH MASON JUMPSCARE. Hi Mason we perceive you now❤
Thank you for the explanation
IM GOING TO SHARE A FACT!!
In the final moments of 600 Strike, when Posideon sings "You monster," you can hear the melody of the chorus of No Longer You. DEEP in the mix. Like the piano breaks through in the brief moment betwee the words "You" and "Monster" and you have to strain to hear it.
I thought i was crazy when i first heard it. AND THEN JORGE CONFIRMED IT A FEW DAYS LATER!!
THE PROPHECY CAME TRUE IN THAT MOMENT!!
Since canon Hermes is basically just Troy, seeing him dance and fly will never not make me smile
22:23 omg mason is a GENIUS and COMEDIAN 🫶 best editor
Chara huh?
I could write _several_ essays about the thematic parallels between Epic and Undertale
"Despite everything, it's still you" versus "No Longer You"
"A game in which no one has to die" versus "The blood on your hands is something you won't lose, all you can choose is whose"
12:29 so in the original Odyssey (gonna keep this spoiler free btw!) no one can come or go from the island for magical reasons, as it's crafted to be Calypso's prison by the Olympians because she sided with the titans and not them in other mythology. Hermes was sent as a messenger by the gods to get Odysseus off of the island, so Ody was only able to leave via divine intervention 😁
Calypso being imprisoned on the island is not from the Odyssey! It's her home and she doesn't leave it, but it's no different from Circe not leaving her island or the cyclopes theirs. The belief that Calypso is imprisoned originates from PJO.
Loved the entire little Mason music lesson :DD (I like your funny words, magic man ^^ /ref)
The denial and stages of grief slowly fading in killed me 😂😂😂
I’m pretty sure in the myths the gods had a spell on the island and he did try to escape multiple times but was unable to due to the godly waves that continued to sweep him back to the island like how Moana wasn’t able to leave the first time until she had the proper boat. Once Zeus decided to allow him free they lifted the curse on the island that kept him there. Which allowed Ody to leave
Zeus punished Calypso for siding with the titans in the war against the gods by trapping her on an island that had a spell cast on it that no one could come or go without his permission
@ yepper!
In the myths Calypso was the one who kept him on the island. The Gods simply turned a blind eye and let him stay there until Athena told Zeus to let him go, and he agree. Zeus is the King of everything, so when he said let Odysseus go, she _HAD_ to let him go. Hermes went and informed them on the island to let Odysseus go.
@Blossom I think she was actually punished bc her father was a Titan and on the Titan side of the war.
The caduceus staff isn't actually related to anything medical, it was often mistaken for the rod of asclepius which is medical related. (Caduceus has 2 snakes, Asclepius as 1)
It's use on ambulance is on purpose tho cause the whole god of traveling/travelers and such which is probably why ppl get it confused
Finally! Someone mentioning Poseidon's face in the water at the start of "Get in the Water"! I swear this is the only reaction I've seen where someone has talked about it 😂
You gotta watch DuvetBox's 600 strike! Duvet has really taken me by storm since they started animatics
Thank you! It’s “600 Strike”
54:12 Jorge has said on his TikTok that the prophets theme is hidden in this song since at this moment the prophecy is complete
But wait, what about “I see your palace covered in red” and “I see your wife with a man who is haunting”? Seems to me the prophecy isn’t done until he’s at Penelope’s side again and the suitors are dead.
@ I meant this as in this is the point at which “but it’s no longer you” finally comes true since he never really had crossed the line until now
@@Noname2421. Ahhhh gotcha, my bad, that makes sense
One thing about Hermes' dancing (that I only realised just now), he is always opposite of Odysseus on the raft. So it's very possible that his dancing is helping keeping the raft steady as Ody's fighting the various monsters, you know, instead of the raft tipping dangerously each time Ody moves to fight the various beasts. The moment Ody is sat, Hermes stays still instead of "rocking the boat"
In regards to the power scaling, there's a character in the Iliad named Diomedes who literally fights some of the gods on the battlefield. He's being aided by Athena, yes, but it's still him doing it, and I loved learning about that because for me personally it aligned really well with how they depict mortals fighting gods in Percy Jackson. A mortal can't kill a god, but that doesn't mean they can't "beat them" per se. They can win a fight, even if it's in a more symbolic sort of way. And we definitely do need Jorge to weigh in on what precisely happened when Odysseus opened that bag. Some people hate the jetpack angle because it doesn't make sense, but I know I've seen media based on Greek Mythology which says if you open the bag with intention (which, to be clear, Eurylochus didn't) then you can command the wind to a limited degree.
Some people back the Ares quick thought theory, some people think Hermes literally took the windbag to the Underworld and scooped up the souls of his crew knowing full well Ody would open the bag, and THEY helped him fight Poseidon, which is why he gets backing vocals. I've seen some animators have Hermes give him a pair of winged sandals like he does for Perseus. Personally I like the idea that ALL the gods from God Games gave him a little boost, and that's the "divine intervention" that Athena won for him.
That look when ody says "hermes" is like the perfect representation of jays features
happy to announce here too that i’m working on an animatic for “get in the water” that is going to be FULLY traditionally drawn!! i’m not a digital artist so this is the best way i can do it. it’ll be a while before it’s ready as it takes a ton of time but i hope to have it out before ithaca saga premiers!! ❤ can’t wait for you all to see it!
Oooh, looking forward to it!
I CANT WAIIITT
Good luck!
It wasn't Hermes saying Odysseus can now go. It was Athena convincing Zeus and the other god's to let Odysseus go and Hermes (as the messenger god) just came by to tell ody he can now go
34:52 WolfytheWitch’s Poseidon design is actually different from this one! This Poseidon design was made in collaboration with Jorge, so it’s always been canon. Wolfy’s personal Poseidon is entirely made of water, huge, and looks more devious and shark-like. He also has a long beard! You can see it in A) Wolfy’s unfinished Ruthlessness animatic, and B) their shitpost animatic “Odysseus gets drunk (april fools)”
48:31 Because there’s no musical cues in the song, I think this is all just Odysseus. He lives and wins because he just does
WAIT hold on that's actually pretty interesting if that's the case.
@ No one’s been able to point out a musical cue from Ares or been able to a identify identify a motif from Hades. Yes people were bringing Hades into it because they can’t just accept that jetpack go brrrrrrr.
The only godly motif is Aeolus with the bag.
Yeah, this has kinda been my take as well. I think he's something more than mortal now.
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I don't know why people make up God influences and ignore the one godly influence he did have, Aeolous's wind bag and Poseidon's storm.
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One thing I wanted to say that I don't think anyone has caught on TH-cam yet.. so in the song Six Hundred Strike, when Odysseus is facing Poseidon and singing "For every comrade, every one of my friends, almost all who have died by your hand." It actually is a motif to Legendary. So Odysseus is singing these lines which kind of mirrors Telemachus singing "Cause' I'm stuck with your stories, but no clue who you are, and no idea if you're dead or just too far." Like it has the same sound. I'm sorry if I knew more music terms I would use them to make it more clear but if you compare the two parts you can hear that they sound the same!
It's just something I thought was really cool since it's literally Odysseus singing to the same sound that his son sang. Anyways, that's my little discovery!
That is not a Legendary motif, that's the Full Speed Ahead motif (e.g. "watch where the birds fly/for every comrade, they will lead us to land/every one of my friend, there we'll hunt for food my second in command/almost all of whom were slaughtered by your hand")
@@moss.notpanic Ohhhh wait no you're right. Cause in Legendary it's a motif to that song! I forgot that one came first and that it had the same sound.
Leaving this comment here to say that I love Casper's reaction to Poseidon getting stabbed by Ody because it's so PRICELESS 😂😂😂 P.S: I'm coming for Puddle Boy song Slaydes
What's pudlle boy song?
@@hindymarkowitz1340it's a diss track.
I loved music theory intermission by mason
Jumping from premiere to premiere is unreal,
So real
About mortals harming gods in Greek mythology, if I recall correctly, Diomedes harmed Ares and Aphrodite. To be fair, he was distantly related to gods, but mostly he was a mortal. His great-grandfather, Talaus was Poseidon's grandchild, I think, so it would make him 1/64 god.
So Odysseus is more of a god than Diomedes. Since Anticlea (his mom) was Hermes' granddaughter, Ody is 1/8 god.
I’m really impressed about the editor just casually snapping in one pace and singing in another 😂
My theory with how Odysseus beat Poseidon is that yes he got some help from Ares, but he's also the great grandson of Hermes, so he's not completely mortal either, just very close to. So all that combined with Hermes also being good friends with the Fates he had a better chance at surviving and getting home which is supported by what Hermes says in Dangerous, "I know, if you dance with fate Then I know, I know, you'll enhance your state". This is just my take though, it's just how I made it make since in my head.
I firmly believe he has Hermes full backing, and that includes Hermes role as a guide of the dead! That’s another excuse for the general ghostlyness permeating 600 strike.
12:28 - Same thoughts, Mason. 😆
18:20 - He also pole-dances on the mast. 😂
13:26 the gods didn’t let anyone leave so when the king of the gods decided to let someone leave then the people making sure no-one leaves won’t stop that person
I agree with your point, but I’m pretty sure the spell keeping Calypso and Odysseus on are two different things (pretty sure Calypso is the one preventing him from leaving)
@ It is matter of matter material you choose but yes that version is equal likely
@@bigwave1713It's probably 2 spells.
1. Spell to trap Calypso, made by the Olympians
2. Spell to trap Ody, made by Calypso
Thank you mason for the music theory lesson. I would totally watch a video just about music theory
With the whole Ares quick thought theory. I think it's a cool, strong theory, especially when his men that he lost come back in the ensemble singing "600 men" over and over. Ares is war and courage, and in multiple pieces of media, he is seen bringing armies back to protect people.
600 strike/ending: I was cheering and just so into it. This is the content that I absolutely love. Not blind violence, but earned vengeance and recompense.
I know the scene depicts Odysseus drowning with the dead sort of dragging him down, but I figured it was the opposite. All of his ghosts were pushing him back to life. That’s why he came back to life and was powerfully enough to strike down a god. He was empowered by 600 of his comrades. Even despite their hatred for Odysseus I thought it was cool of them to help him complete his quest so their lives weren’t taken by Poseidon in vain.
In theory, I know that this joint reaction probably happened on a different day if not at least a few hours after Mortius’, but I just adore the thought of Casper minding his business on the evening/morning after his audio reaction and Mortius busting through his walls post-visuals reaction so they can scream about it together.
So odysseus is a master woodcarver, he's known to have invented many things. But while calypso is imprisoned on her island and cannot leave, nothing can happen on her island without her permission.(in the odyssey) It took the full might of zeus to force her to allow odysseus to leave.
I have thoughts about the lack of trumpets. I think it's a way to express that, just like odyssius, posiden is tired. He has been holding on to this pointless grudge(in the grand scheme of a god), keeping up a ten year storm at this point and waiting to this man at his home. Even for a god, that must be taxing. And you can kind of hear the weariness when he says "I can't". Its also a reason I think odyssius even survived.
My head-canon is that Hades is helping Ody. Think about, we see him drown but he does not die, and we hear his men chanting and helping him fight. Hermes' grandson with the help of both Ares and Hades and aided by Aeolus' wind bag would definitely be strong enough to beat Poseidon.
Hades, or at least proximity to death/the under world. In addition Hermes, in legit mythology, is someone a guide for the souls of the dead. A psychopomp. But hades WOULD have to give permission or turn a blind eye!
Oh that's not what's happening with the men. They are just Odysseus' back up vocals he has because of the god power he has now from becoming the monster and the windbag.
Hades just doesn't want to have to deal with Ody in his domain again
"Can you show me anyone else that can capture a shadowy backlit face in sketch style"
SAD-ist. You're looking for SAD-ist. Their content isn't stuff I'd expect you to cover on your channels, but if you like animatics you should TOTALLY check them out. They are brilliant. (There's also 2WEI, who made the sountracks they used. Both absolutely amazing at what they do.)
This is gonna be so EPIC
I say my interpretation from posiden drowning odyssey is on purpose because in a certain story, it can be viewed worse because it could complicate the journey to the underworld. Also, i believe Posiden wanted to give him one of the worst deaths and is fitting to him. Also, with his control of storms, he could have froze his water trident to pierced him, but he didn't. He wanted him to suffer and drown he could easily use his trident to make an earthquake to shatter the ocean to make him go deep under the water to make sure he drowns.
Laritamiauu - Wouldn’t You Like
Ghostlee - Wouldn’t You Like
Noir.Hyacinthus - God Games
Jojo Fraga - Love in Paradise
Ximena Natzel - Love in Paradise
Irunaki xd - Little Wolf
Irunaki - I Need Her To Be Mine (Cut Song)
Irunaki - Dangerous
Irunaki - Different Beast
Ghostlee - Dangerous
Duvetbox - Six Hundred Strike
Lemonpoet -Charybdis
Keywashere- Love In Paradise (It’s only the mental breakdown)
47:00 i dont think its ares quick tohught, im prettysure this change is symbolic of his last drop of mercy leaving him, by all means hes the monster now, at least that makes snese inside the context of the musical.
For Casper the thing hermes is holding is called a caduceus and is VERY similar to get mixed up with the medical sign which is actually the staff of Asclepius, the god of health
I love how in gigis animatic oddyseous looks like he doesnt give a sh---- about calypsos feelings'
YES!! I finally can put on a face to my favorite guy!!! Hi mason!!
I love the editor droning noise every time he had some thing to say. top tear editing!
In addition to everyone else pointing out that Calypso was explicitly holding him prisoner via magic: in the Odyssey, he _couldn't_ build a raft until she handed over the tools to do so. Like, in addition to lifting the spell, the entirety of her "letting him go" was handing him an axe, and adze, and a hand drill.
One answer to the raft, question could be that, he built it in case he found a way to escape long ago but couldn't. Like, maybe he kept getting swept back or ended up in the same place as he started.
But after the God Games, where Athena won his freedom, the ban, veil... however you might call what kept him from escaping was lifted so he could leave.
That's my take on it. 😅
i love mason’s music stuff a lot, and i found it really interesting, but it was also incredibly frustrating because i cant snap my fingers and he did it like a bajillion times
"There is a Megan Thee Centaurian somewhere"
Aaaaaaand you just gave an entire horde of artists new inspiration.😂
My theory of "did Ody died?" is that it's a metaphor. The Odysseus that "greet the world with open arms" died cause theres nothing more he can do with kindness. So now he's full monster and will return home at all costs
This was ever going to end one way, and for me, it’s the first time a saga ended with a sense of
Victory. It’s bittersweet because the abuse and damage Poseidon has done changes Odysseus into the very monster he feared. Blood doesn’t wash off your hands when the waters run red.
God, I love Mason so much
42:55
Poseidon: DOMAIN EXPANSION
SHATTER THE OCEAN!!!!!!
Notice though that Hermes says fought for you not died for you, and I feel like Calypso saying last I checked goddesses can't die, was not meant to be a throwaway line.
The trident sounds so perfect because instead of just metal scraping rock, it has a similar effect to a tuning fork with the reverberation and that echo at the end gives the image of multiple resonating tines affecting each other’s sound. Loved it so much
Important note, whenever poseidon isn't responding, he's being stabbed in the neck during the animatic and is physically incapable
55:01 speaking of "greater than mortal state". In Dangerous Hermes says "I know I know if you dance with fate, then I know I know you'll enhance your state" which I think was referring to this moment
Thank you Mason.
Great reactions, guys! Also, I LOVED the musical theory interlude by Mason.
I understood the “why didn’t Ody leave the island 7 years ago” dilemma as that after calling out to Athena at the end of love in paradise, Athena went to convince Zeus to order calypso to let Ody off the island. I believed it implied at the end of God Games that because of Athena’s sacrifice Zeus decided to let Ody off the island and so by I’m not sorry for loving you Hermes, messenger of Olympus, brings Zeus’s command down to Calypso. My head cannon as to where the raft had come from is that Ody had built it years prior when he still believed he could get of the island himself but is only now getting to actually use it. He also could’ve just quickly thrown it together when Calypso was emptying her heart out during I’m not sorry for loving you (Which leads to a hilarious visual)
Pinions should be the new name for winions with opinions
56:48 OH MY GOD YEAHHH CHARA. HOLY SHIT. I CAN'T UNSEE IT NOW.
Did you forget Odysseus is related to Hermes
I can assume that Zeus agreed to let Odysseus go and sent Hermes (as the messenger god he is) to go inform Calypso of Odysseus’ freedom!!
Fun fact! In Get in The Water, Odysseus uses Poseidon’s own motif against him! (Maybe you could learn to forgive) -> (Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves)
Also! If you listen closely when Poseidon is “charging up” you can also hear Polyphemus singing along with him! Though I’m not entirely sure if this part is true!
MASON JUMPSCARE! Oh my god that was a delight :’D where do we sign up for more pop ins from him on this channel?
I have a theory (give me your thoughts if can!!)
What if… when odysseus was like drowning after the god move, He didn’t actually PHYSICALLY died. Remember how The prophet was talking about how odysseus will become a monster? Imagine if the MONSTER and ODYSSEUS were different personalities? In this scene… “Odysseus” is dead. The MONSTER isn’t. Because if you think about it, the one who killed the Cyclops was Odysseus not yet the monster he became so it makes sense if Poseidon kills the killer who killed his son and not the monster deep inside of him. Because the lyrics “i see you on the brink of death, i see you draw your final breath, i see a man who gets to make it home alive but its no longer you.” is clearly describing ODYSSEUS and how he turns into a monster, What if… He didn’t turned fully monster yet in the underworld. What if… He just turned fully monster now.
omg i LOVED mason's take, he made it so easy to understand and really entertaining too
34:19 It's funny, because while Poseidon has "been waiting for this moment", I was too, for like a year. Morgan Clae's amazing audition audio of "Get in the Water" is how I discovered Epic.