@@noahtaylor1721Of course they are. The Past forms existed a real long time ago, and as time passed they became the Pokemon that died in the Bell Tower. They clearly retconned the 3 Pokemon being Eeveelutions
@@QweaklyForgotten @outtaideas849 They were never stated to be eeveelutions. That was just a very popular fan theory stemming from the fact that they share their typings with the Kanto eeveelutions. They probably weren’t eeveelutions considering the games state that they received their typings from Ho-oh to represent how they originally died and them already having the typings before their death would take significance away from the legend. Also there really isn’t that much lore to the paradox forms of the legendary beasts. They just sort of show up in the dlc without much of an explanation. They’re certainly implied to be related to the original trio, but nothing is confirmed. Anyways, sorry if this reply was too long, or if I got anything incorrect.
@outtaideas849 Actually the paradox pokemons are from different timeline, this was stated in new DLC. Also the pokemon who died in bell tower are normal unknown pokemon. Ho oh revived & made them legendary pokemon
@@bbganeshkumar4254No no, the paradox forms of the Pokémon we see all come from either the distant past or distant future, meaning that Raging Bolt, Walking Wake, and Gouging Fire are all from the past and are all just Pokémon that simply coincidentally similar to the Legendary beasts (Like how the Legendary birds and the Zapdos, Articuno, and Moltres from Galar only just coincidentally look like each other and aren't actually related) In the end, it's just an instance of mere coincidence in-universe that they look similar to each other, especially since we still have no clue as to what the three nameless Pokémon were
I disagree that we should ban "problematic" mons to Ubers to make a healthy metagame instead we should ban all of the healthy pokemon to UU to make the most toxic metagame of all time.
Gouging Fire should simply not have been allowed to use tera. How can it use the funny hat mechanic when it already has a funny hat? GameFreak really dropped the ball on this one, folks.
One correction on dozo, it is not overwhelmed by terablast fairy, even with booster energy It can boost up and body press in return, max bosted bp does nearly half to max hp max def bold tera fairy gouging fire Dozo takes around 43% from booster energy tera dragon outrage, without curse boosts, which isn't enough But dozo loses out to tera ghost dragon dance breaking swipe gouging fire and allows gouing fire to setup on it and sweep its team
ferrothorns ever reaching homophobic hand has once again been shown and this time, he has shown just how much power he has grown in the interim. this is disasterous.
Ferrothorn was already one of my favorite Pokemon to use competitively. Very solid defensive backbone to Rain teams. You don't have to sell him to me any more.
I think this ban shows that even with his seeming disappearance from Gen 9, the infamous head of big stall “Ferrothorn” still controls most of the OU council.
If the unpredictable nature of Tera is a common factor in deciding bans i think it might be worth it to consider making Tera types visible in team preview.
Showdown usually wants to stick very close to the games in terms of how battles work, and the team preview is taken directly from the games, so they aren’t going to alter it. The solution would be to ban Tera is general(I don’t have a stance on whether they should or not) or ban Tera blast
i found it interesting that the meta found the weird bulky breaking swipe set first and the yolo booster energy set later. usually its the other way round.
May I remind everyone that Shymin-Sky was banned at 100% of the votes back in gen5. Nobody voted against, litterally everybody voted for it to be gone. This was the most one sided suspect test ever
I like Gouging Fire because he finally clarifies the long-standing argument about whether the Gen 2 legendary trio are cats or dogs. They're the Legendary Dinos. Suicune is a T-rex. Entei is a Styracosaurus. Raikou is a Giraffe (giraffes are dinosaurs). The debate is settled, folks.
Saying the accurate “styracosaurus” instead of the common “triceratops”, while saying the common “T. rex” instead of a more accurate raptor, this is peak humor, folks.
@@terdragontra8900 walking wake is clearly a theropod, but it's not clear whether it's a very large raptor or a pretty small ceratosaur/tyrannosaur. ...oh no, it's the "this" or "that" argument again!!
I suppose since the past paradox form of entei has been referred to as "Gouging Fire," then it is safe to assume that suicune would be called "Chilling Water?" It appears i have been mislead, folks.
"Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my series, this game rewards blind luck and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by scheduling with my opponent changing times on me last minute and refusing to provide confirmation prior to the day of the match as to play times, losing this way somehow felt even worse than I had thought possible. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not.
When will they allow open tera on team preview? It feels like the reason all these mons are being banned is because you cannot predict the tera type and thus the set. Seems like closed tera is the issue.
The difference between this vote and the last one was CTC sacrificing himself and getting banned to save gouging fire last time but he was banned, so he couldn't save it again
Unaware only ignores stat changes associated with the +6/-6 modifier (like Download, Intrepid Sword, Moxie, etc.); it cannot negate "intangible" stat boosts from things like Huge Power, Unburden, Fur Coat, Booster Energy, etc.
Gouging fire was pretty OP with its utility set. Tera fairy has no downsides since no poison or steel types want to challenge it. It’s near unbreakable defensively and proves how tera is a busted mechanic.
Tera isn’t my favorite mechanic by any means, but couldn’t that also mean that Fairy needs another weakness? Fairy is a pretty dominant type, IMO it’s why Kingambit and Gholdengo are as meta as they are, being strong Steel types
Pure fairy, pure flying, pure steel, and pure ghost are just such good defensive typings. It's kinda insane that Gamefreak didn't think to mitigate the defensive benefits of tera somewhat. Being able to instanty turn on immunities to certain moves is insane.
@splitsee2526 there was a semi viral clip on Twitter of a gauging fire doing a set up sweep. It's name was gay porn and the music in the back was the Refrain from a song called good lookin, a country song about gay sex
The most silly ban I think I have seen ever, with the most silly ratio ever. Nothing changes because of this ban, no mons go up in usage, and if anything the meta gets more stale as a result. Its got multiple hard checks, relatively low usage for such a supposedly strong mon (even after the recent OLT it didnt even crack top 10 usage), it has to have terra to see its full strength, and the worst 4mss of any mon in OU. People cant handle the pope hat, goddamn.
Wow that’s a whole lot of wrong in one comment. And for the love of goodness and gravy. Usage does not reflect a lack of brokenness. Fucking Dracovish rarely cracked super high usage let alone viability and yet it was supremely broken and hated.
@@HowlingOneify So its so good and very popular but people rarely use it and complain how they can never stop it despite it having had counters that are as common if not more common than it is. Oh and nothing changes, no mons get used more frequently after its gone or get used less frequently after its gone. Something that was very much not the case with the dracovish ban. The only thing that changes is people have to find some other strong terra user to blame for their losses now. Sure thing bud.
@@GolemRising rarely used it? Is your head up your backside? Mon had a commanding in OLT, and was a regularly massive presence at high ladder. Counters? Ah I love my “counters” which get flattened by +1 Proto Tera Dragon Outrage. Moltres? Oops Dragon Tail. Garg? Tera Ground Earthquake. It was way too good at blowing holes in teams and even if and when it went down, it left too crippled an opposing team to realistically come back from. Nothing changes? Steel and water types get better since they don’t give it completely free switches. Grass types also improve which is great for Wellspring. Nevermind that teams now don’t have an overbearing breaker and sweeper breathing down their necks in game. Oh and one thing more. Dondozo gets worse. It already wasn’t ironclad losing to Dragon Tail and possibly Outrage variants, but now people don’t have to stick such a mediocre Mon on their defensive teams to not risk folding.
@@HowlingOneify Commanding what in OLT? It was on 10% of teams at most. It had fewer appearances than Raging Bolt OR Iron Moth, and less than half the presence of Zamazenta. I think I saw 2 people running it after cutoff and at least one of them was not winning with it. But we are not talking about any of those mons, and we are talking about GF? Oh noes, your hard counters fall to them having very specific terras and coverage moves that cant be on all sets and make up a tiny percentage of the ones you see! Almost like....every other major offensive mon in the tier. Literally all of them. Tera Earth EQ on DD dnite. Hex sets on dragapult. Sub Vs Choice Vs LO vs Boots on Bolt. Etc Etc Etc. You also didnt even mention Dodonzo or Amola when you were talking about hard counters. Because you know damn well hardly anyone was running dragon tail and terra ferry shuts down the set anyways. Which are the actual hard counters. So good job revealing you already knew about them and chose to ignore the gaping hole in your argument, but I wont. And as for dodonzo yeah its so mediocre it hard walls all major physical threats in the tier barring choice band rillaboom. So bad it makes up a key part of one of the major defensive cores. Very mediocre. Wao. Which steel, water, or grass types will see more play, exactly? Because water types were already the go-too, so they would see less play if anything. They haven't so far, and wont in the future. If you cant come up with real examples, your point does not exist. But from your angry outrage and lack of any real points, you know as well as I do that this will go the same way as the last 3 OUs have. They will ban something irrelevant, and a few months later the same people screaming for this ban will be screaming about something else. Because the thing they want to ban is not the mon. The thing they want to ban is loosing to something they couldn't be bothered to prepare for properly.
@@GolemRising Where are you even pulling your usage stats from. Seriously. These sets were not random or rare. They picked up significantly towards the mid and late stages of OLT and were gaining a lot of notoriety among top players. Not to mention the many Tera blast variants running around, but especially fairy. None of the other offensive threats remotely compared to Gouging and its efficiency. It effortlessly adapted to beat any check you threw at it. It can’t run everything at once, it also didn’t have to. Chances are you’ll just run into a set you couldn’t prep for and lose to it. Tera Ground DNite is rarer, not to mention worse, than other sets. Dropping normal on it significantly guts its anti offense value. And LO Bolt is massively weak to hazards and chip, and unlike Gouging, is coming into battle a lot while Gouging often comes in just once. Specs has prediction issues, not to mention its poor speed, and Boots lacks power to muscle through teams which makes it quite simple to contain. Also sub is bad on it. You also didnt even mention Dodonzo or Amola when you were talking about hard counters. I didn’t mention Dondozo or Mola because they suck as answer. Dondozo has to avoid falling to 85% or it gets 2HKOd by Tera Dragon Proto Outrage. And Mola can’t even touch Gouging and has to use Tickle, plus struggles to take +1 Proto Tera Dragon Outrage. Claiming hardly anyone ran Dragon Tail is laughable. There’s literally high level replays of it clowning on teams which thought they were prepared for it. Tera Fairy? Oops now you’re hit by Heat Crash instead and no longer a true check. You should be awfully careful about sounding arrogant because you’re showing you aren’t as familiar as you like to lead on. Case in point. Dondozo was already steeply falling off in usage, because it’s a fat passive momentum sink that doesn’t actually do shit. Abused to no end by u-turn and knock off, and so easily pressured into resting. It’s nowhere near a staple anymore and rarely appears outside stall teams. Water types did jack fuck to check Gouging. They risked giving it free entry and set up. Grasses couldn’t touch it. Steels like Corv and Gholdengo were free entry, as were Kingambit and Iron Crown. It makes these Pokémon more useful now that they’re not letting such a dangerous Mon in. You’re the only one angry and crying here mate. Nothing that has been banned was “irrelevant”, and the last three OUs? Nice try but you should actually know about what you’re talking about first.
A Palafin retest would be incredibly interesting, and it'd be a case of a rare unban for a suspect test where the majority of these tests are meant for a Pokemon in a metagame to be banned. In such an offense-heavy metagame where power of attacks can rise to dramatic levels with the assistance of Tera, maybe a once-defensive uber that hardly get these days can fit in standard play just fine without being too broken... Like Lugia and Solgaleo? Also this ban was (when you look at its viability and usage stats), really a disappointment. Inb4 usage =/= viability arguments but almost always isn't the case with since most pokemon that rank up high in usage have some sort of viability in the metagame, one way or another.
Something that seems to be on quite a few players mind would be banning tera blast. It might make tera slightly less oppressive, and allow the council to test back threats that really relied on it, like Regieleki.
i do still think the tier would be better if we had a tera reveal clause rather than banning everything that abuses tera, but i know a lot of people do enjoy tera how it is so i don't see a problem with gouging fire going since whenever i try the tier it's the most oppressive mon by far (besides gholdengo and kingambit but since the actual ou players seem to like them i'll just wish them well and stick to other tiers lol)
@@randomprotag9329 that's my thought process too, i just don't think it's feasible to accurately predict with unrevealed tera. a 6v6 singles game with unrevealed tera (assuming team preview, no hax and that you correctly guess every item and move for your opponent) has 6561 outcomes on turn 1, compared to 81 with no tera or 169 with revealed tera. if other gen 9 ou players are really 81 times smarter than us pesky old gen players then fair play to them, but in my experience you usually just accept that at some point a silly tera will come out that makes you lose a trade and try to do the same back to even things out, the end result is basically the same as z-moves except there's far less counterplay
@@aldrichunfaithful3589 there are metagame calls of items or types which dont remotely fit the pokemon but teratypes dont have one terratype that does everything a player wants for each pokemon so its does go into better odds quesswork.
As more and more time has gone on, the more and more I find myself turning against Tera as a mechanic. I think a good restriction on it would be to see the 6 Tera types selected by your opponent, and have to work out which type corresponded to which Pokémon, and wouldnt entirely get rid of the ambiguity of terastalization
When are they going to admit that Terastalization was the problem all along? It seems like the through line for every single Gen 9 OU ban has been "well it abuses Tera." Not that I play competitive Pokemon, so I have no idea what I'm talking about. This is just me sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong.
@@broidkanymore-zc4lt That's simply not true, every time the community is surveyed banning tera gets very little traction. On a recent one it was only wanted by 28% of the people voting even, the council is definitely not the ones keeping it around
If a mon can run two hard to counter sets and then further decide which counters actually can affect you through some clever teras, that's extremely strong
I'd love to see a hypothetical alternate universe where we just banned tera altogether from the beginning. I bet a lot of pokemon could be fine without the "mystery" of its tera and not "being able to predict what set it is" idk I don't think being unpredictable is really a bad thing. You shouldn't be able to just know your opponents full set immediately with team preview.
Wait a minute, hadn't they previously proposed banning gouging fire but the smogon nerds cried saying that we would return to the stall era? But now is a 91% Ban vote?!? Well, then let them learn the consequences and have to live with gouging fire, anyway the format is already broken with ogerpon and kingambit
I really wasn't that scared of Gouging Fire. Lando T was a pretty good counter since EQ doesn't make contact, and Grassy Terrain set by rillaboom is weak to u turn. The real threat is Kyurem imo.
wow another big ban citing “tera abuser/unpredictable tera” i wonder what new game mechanic is causing all these maybe we should do something about that
A person once made a comeback with Gouging Fire against my 4 Pokémon to 2. It felt unfair because that thing is just like Dragonite but on steroids 😭 One DD and it's basically an instant win button. It's also even tankier than Swampert!
So that's why I kept running into so many more sun teams recently, I'm not high up on the ladder so for me it was okay to deal with because they just used their tera on other mons trying to survive my hyper offense team.
i think the first time around, breaking swipe was being hyped up and it was never actually that good. it got the job done, but it was such a slow burn you kind of just quit once they click breaking once. you know they’re just gonna keep dd’ing olt showed what it’s true potential is, ppl starting using its actual offensive capabilities. the mon was this broken all along
That'll for sure help out finding out which of the 50 sets Gouging fire is running and immediately losing in team preview because you prepared for DD dual stab EQ and DD tera fairy blast, not morning sun sets/CB sets.
If you want an actual answer, Kingambit is easier and more straightforward to play around. Unlike a lot of the banned setup sweepers Kingambit has no way to raise its speed so simply outrunning it and using a status move to cripple it (Taunt to stop it from SD, Will o wisp to burn, Substitute to block a sucker punch, Encore locking it, list keeps going) is very viable. Sure you may not know what type it's about to become but counterplay doesn't change much from that and it means they aren't using their tera on any other mons
@@itztaytay2 This only becomes true after you've figured out which of its nine different sets it's running, and by that point, it's already singlehandedly taken down two of your pokémon and brought a third into the red.
@@TwiliPaladin Are you kidding? Gambit's only real uncertainty is its 4th move and EVs lol. Swords Dance, Sucker Punch, usually Kowtow Cleave are basically mandatory. It barely even has 2 sets much less 9 lol, it's incredibly straightforward of how to play against it just really annoying if you don't have a proper answer and instead comes down to sucker punch predictions
funny seeing shiny Arceus depicted as being responsible for tier shifts and whatnot because I have a shiny Arceus (His name is Butter) and I imagine him being in the video
The cycle repeats! Pokemon becomes a top level threat! Defensive Walls that counter it become common! A Tera Type and reimagined role makes Pokemon Uncounterable! The Pokemon is banned! I am a big proponent of banning Tera. Think of Threat-Counter as a game of call and response. Optimally, you want to play the best Threat. If both players play optimal, this is a coin flip. The next level of thinking is you play a counter to the Best Threat. If your opponent plays the Optimal Threat and you play the Counter, you win. Your opponent can then win by playing a sub-optimal threat that accounts for your counter. At this stage, Tera allows for an Optimal Threat to still beat its supposed counter, or for a Suboptimal Threat to have comparable power to the Optimal, which totally invalidates ever trying to counter a pokemon. If Suboptimal is comparable to Optimal and beats the Counter, it never makes sense to not play either the Optimal or Suboptimal threat. Tera consistently has the role to bridge the gap and create these dually optimal threat cases where on ladder you just have to play the coin flip as to whether your counter works or not. I should really type this coherently on a desktop on the forum but its nighttime and youtube on my phone so I hope my argument carries. A concrete, but silly, example before I go. In Primal Groudon metagames, an effective check is Golduck, who threatens with Hydro Pump due to Cloud Nine. This is because preventing Groudon from setting up is all important, and Golduck is a rare pokemon who can take advantage of a 4x Weakness and win one of pokemons scariest matchups while letting you EV and IV your own Groudon and Kyogre with less focus on winning the Primal-off weather battle. If Groudon can Tera, it is always setting up. This causes you to play more reasonable, reliable, predictable answers; good pokemon and not Golduck my beloved. Predictable answers mean that Groudon can prepare for those answers. Tera works by eliminating gimmick counters from being usable, then being a tool to bypass more predictable counters, and it leaves you with an uncounterable murder machine
I think that too much pokemon are banned right now. There is a better solution to the problem of tera abuser setup sweeper: tera preview. This will make the counterplay a little easier with no very hard prediction. This will resolve the problem of Gouging Fire, Volcarona, Annihilape and maybe Spectrier (so sad that his counterpart is in pu) and Palafin.
Preview does not solve the issue of these mons brokenness. Knowing their type doesn’t suddenly change the fact that you can very easily have prepared for a different set, not the one in front of you. They’re too versatile and too powerful and it’s simply not possible to prep for them reasonably. Also Spectrier was extremely broken last gen. It’s only gotten better this gen.
I'm gonna be honest, Tera is like the issue to half of the banned mons. In all tiers. Tera steel mimikyu in early RU, Tera ghost medicham in PU. The like 7 UUBL mons that are broken because of tera
Been a year since I stopped following the gen 9 OU meta game. While watching this video and seeing why GF was broken, only thought in my head was "so, they didn't ban tera yet, have they?"
Did they take any action on tera at all? VGC does open team sheet which I think is a fair compromise, at the very least open tera types should be an option.
The playerbase is fine with Tera, so it's not getting banned. Is it a good mechanic though? I mean Asmongold is just fine living in the health hazard that is his home, even though his quality of life would dramatically improve if he cleaned every so often
I hosted a Furret-Only Pokemon Tournament. View the entire thing here:
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Gen 9 FurretUsed (FU) > Gen 9 OU
@@bdt2002gamingwholeheartedly agree
I just watched it earlier today. It was absolutely amazing
Game Freak giving Gouging Fire earthquake despite STILL denying it to Entei after more than 20 years just feels cruel
Wild how this implies that Entei evolved to lose earthquake after centuries of evolution
@@noahtaylor1721Of course they are. The Past forms existed a real long time ago, and as time passed they became the Pokemon that died in the Bell Tower. They clearly retconned the 3 Pokemon being Eeveelutions
@@QweaklyForgotten @outtaideas849 They were never stated to be eeveelutions. That was just a very popular fan theory stemming from the fact that they share their typings with the Kanto eeveelutions. They probably weren’t eeveelutions considering the games state that they received their typings from Ho-oh to represent how they originally died and them already having the typings before their death would take significance away from the legend.
Also there really isn’t that much lore to the paradox forms of the legendary beasts. They just sort of show up in the dlc without much of an explanation. They’re certainly implied to be related to the original trio, but nothing is confirmed.
Anyways, sorry if this reply was too long, or if I got anything incorrect.
@outtaideas849 Actually the paradox pokemons are from different timeline, this was stated in new DLC. Also the pokemon who died in bell tower are normal unknown pokemon. Ho oh revived & made them legendary pokemon
@@bbganeshkumar4254No no, the paradox forms of the Pokémon we see all come from either the distant past or distant future, meaning that Raging Bolt, Walking Wake, and Gouging Fire are all from the past and are all just Pokémon that simply coincidentally similar to the Legendary beasts (Like how the Legendary birds and the Zapdos, Articuno, and Moltres from Galar only just coincidentally look like each other and aren't actually related)
In the end, it's just an instance of mere coincidence in-universe that they look similar to each other, especially since we still have no clue as to what the three nameless Pokémon were
I disagree that we should ban "problematic" mons to Ubers to make a healthy metagame instead we should ban all of the healthy pokemon to UU to make the most toxic metagame of all time.
Not quite how it works. All lower tiered Pokemon can be used in OU currently, so it'd be the same pretty much
@@zekmaster644 I'm sure they were fully serious.
@@Sleeper800lol
This is certainly a reasonable and serious opinion.
Congratulations, you have renamed the "Ubers" tier "Overused" and renamed the "Overused" tier "Underused".
Normal entei: RUBL
Entei, with a cool hat: Ubers
The power of a cool hat.
Give me your HAT
Just shows paradoxes are nothing but lazy rehashes of pre existing pokemon
@@RedRockin6- Ganon if he was smart
to be fair, its a *really* cool hat
Team Fortress 2 taught me this...
Entei cannot use a hat in Generation 9 Over Used. Here's why.
this is unbelievable. historic even. what a powerful hat this entei has.
Great Hat?
@@VassiliniaPowerful Hat
The hattest. Hatterene could never.
I read this in Jomothy's voice haha
Gouging Fire should simply not have been allowed to use tera. How can it use the funny hat mechanic when it already has a funny hat? GameFreak really dropped the ball on this one, folks.
*WEAR ALL THE HATS!*
Wait, Stellar Tera's only use is countering Elec-Balloon Shedinja while dodging a certain ghost that contracted cancer.
Gouging fire has been banned from gen 9 OU. This is insane folks
who's there to say "Holy S***" like last time
Gouging Fire is alone in his suffering
and yet they leave Zazazenta to roam free in OU but entei's endless drip gets banished to the shadow realm
@@beanslinger2Please describe your experience playing with and against the Zaza
One correction on dozo, it is not overwhelmed by terablast fairy, even with booster energy
It can boost up and body press in return, max bosted bp does nearly half to max hp max def bold tera fairy gouging fire
Dozo takes around 43% from booster energy tera dragon outrage, without curse boosts, which isn't enough
But dozo loses out to tera ghost dragon dance breaking swipe gouging fire and allows gouing fire to setup on it and sweep its team
ferrothorns ever reaching homophobic hand has once again been shown and this time, he has shown just how much power he has grown in the interim. this is disasterous.
Where does that meme originated from. I've seen it for a while now, but idk where or how it started
@@DonPetexXlook up ferrothorn vs magnazone rap battle and thank me later
Ferrothorn was already one of my favorite Pokemon to use competitively. Very solid defensive backbone to Rain teams. You don't have to sell him to me any more.
@@DonPetexX on the competitive Pokemon subreddit r/stunfisk there was a joke post about Slowbro coming out as gay and Ferrothorn being homophobic
@@Skeloperch Ooh, look at you, so edgy 😐
My boy Entei finally being a menace after decades of mediocrity. you love to see it.
Here I am using Entei all the way up in UU and OU :/
It's a formidable threat in VGC at least
make sure to check for a spiky steel grass type around your gardens folks
I think this ban shows that even with his seeming disappearance from Gen 9, the infamous head of big stall “Ferrothorn” still controls most of the OU council.
Why are they head of big stall they aren't even a stall mon
Smogon has favorites and rather than get good at the game they take out the ban hammer. This isnt news to me.
@@ZenKrio you can't be serious lmao
@Dwurogowy I sit on a spot where I both am and am not.. I don't care enough but it's real.
@@ZenKrio If LandoT isn't dominating OU they're not happy
No more Gay Porn in OU. This is insane.
How about other 253574 Paradoxes in OU?
Be glad gay porn was allowed to exist in this ferrathorn world🥹
@@king_of_rats_Monfernep the council won't ban op mons They like.
@@lolimmune but *Cough Cough* Fire just Paradox whar better than other but weaker than Flutter Housemade
its fine you still have Uber porn
If the unpredictable nature of Tera is a common factor in deciding bans i think it might be worth it to consider making Tera types visible in team preview.
Showdown usually wants to stick very close to the games in terms of how battles work, and the team preview is taken directly from the games, so they aren’t going to alter it. The solution would be to ban Tera is general(I don’t have a stance on whether they should or not) or ban Tera blast
@@cross-layered8538ah yes let us ban one the reasons to play gen 9 over the others
@@chaosenforcerdhm969 I specifically stated I have no stance on whether it should be banned or not, don’t bash me in for no reason
@@cross-layered8538 you had a different opinion that me and that should be illegal obviously 🙄
@@chaosenforcerdhm969 obviously, as seen from Twitter, the most reliable source
The future Paradox form of Furret, Iron Beret, is Furret with a hat. Game Freak's ingenuity knows no bounds
Iron Beret plushies would sell.
I personally believe we ban all fire types until only the one true fire type remains, Torkoal.
Lol, I did not expect to see the Fortnite competitive guy on a Pokemon competitive video. Didn’t realize you were a fan of Pokemon. Love your videos
I do not understand why they would ban Gay Porn like this. Perhaps Ferrothorn was on the smogon council.
You fool, Ferrothorn is ALWAYS on the Smogon council.
Even in Gens 1-4, where he thinks you won’t notice him.
why do you think he's not in gen9? it's because he got a promotion
the amount of niche knowledge needed to understand this is crazy
@@spand9043 till amoongus and slowbro hear about this
Huh?
i found it interesting that the meta found the weird bulky breaking swipe set first and the yolo booster energy set later. usually its the other way round.
I made a Sun team around it when it first released that was pretty fun, close to the YOLO booster but with life orb instead and Sun to get Proto.
May I remind everyone that Shymin-Sky was banned at 100% of the votes back in gen5. Nobody voted against, litterally everybody voted for it to be gone.
This was the most one sided suspect test ever
"115 attack is just good enough" man. I feel crazy when i hear this stuff
Seriously power creep is out of control in this gen
@@wacky9929Not really, 130 has been the base line for a good Attack Stat since Gen 5.
@@Lithosagymfan173 in *ubers* . Garchomp was considered "extremely strong" in OU, and was thus banned to Ubers.
110 was great 130 was amazing. Now 115 is good enough and 130 is great. @@Lithosagymfan173
For every dragon that gets banned, Serperior OU stocks rise
Yesssiiir the best mon
@@Hensley_JbStellar Contrary Serperior is a beast. Fucking ruins your game if you get sloppy.
@@MrTigracho SLOPPY??!?!
His fire has been gouged out some have said
I like Gouging Fire because he finally clarifies the long-standing argument about whether the Gen 2 legendary trio are cats or dogs.
They're the Legendary Dinos. Suicune is a T-rex. Entei is a Styracosaurus. Raikou is a Giraffe (giraffes are dinosaurs). The debate is settled, folks.
Saying the accurate “styracosaurus” instead of the common “triceratops”, while saying the common “T. rex” instead of a more accurate raptor, this is peak humor, folks.
He did the cladistics.
@@terdragontra8900 walking wake is clearly a theropod, but it's not clear whether it's a very large raptor or a pretty small ceratosaur/tyrannosaur.
...oh no, it's the "this" or "that" argument again!!
@@johnsanko4136 🔥
Perhaps funnier than the original comment, which is also of highest quality
@@terdragontra8900as well as intentionally sidestepping calling Great Neck an apatosaurus 🦕 10/10 shitpost
I suppose since the past paradox form of entei has been referred to as "Gouging Fire," then it is safe to assume that suicune would be called "Chilling Water?"
It appears i have been mislead, folks.
Chilling Water is a TM, TM022 to be precise
Also the paradox suicune is called Walking Wake
Did you just miss Walking Wake
"Walking wake" it does help when youre sleepy for sure 👍
"Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my series, this game rewards blind luck and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by scheduling with my opponent changing times on me last minute and refusing to provide confirmation prior to the day of the match as to play times, losing this way somehow felt even worse than I had thought possible. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not.
When will they allow open tera on team preview? It feels like the reason all these mons are being banned is because you cannot predict the tera type and thus the set. Seems like closed tera is the issue.
The difference between this vote and the last one was CTC sacrificing himself and getting banned to save gouging fire last time but he was banned, so he couldn't save it again
He got unbanned after like a week or two. He defended it again this time.
I did not know Unaware couldn't help against Protosynthesis.
Zacian is gonna find a time machine in bring in his paradox form: Big Sword.
Unaware only ignores stat changes associated with the +6/-6 modifier (like Download, Intrepid Sword, Moxie, etc.); it cannot negate "intangible" stat boosts from things like Huge Power, Unburden, Fur Coat, Booster Energy, etc.
her*
It's basically whether it shows up as a +1 on showdown or not
Zacian is genderless. You’re both wrong.
@@user-km8vi5wo1gZacian and Zamazenta are sisters according to dex
A ban so historic Jim came back to SV for a bit. Outstanding performance, Gouging-san
Gouging fire was pretty OP with its utility set. Tera fairy has no downsides since no poison or steel types want to challenge it. It’s near unbreakable defensively and proves how tera is a busted mechanic.
There are plenty of Pokemon that could have challenged it. Problem is they're all banned.
tera poison darkrai
Tera isn’t my favorite mechanic by any means, but couldn’t that also mean that Fairy needs another weakness? Fairy is a pretty dominant type, IMO it’s why Kingambit and Gholdengo are as meta as they are, being strong Steel types
Pure fairy, pure flying, pure steel, and pure ghost are just such good defensive typings. It's kinda insane that Gamefreak didn't think to mitigate the defensive benefits of tera somewhat. Being able to instanty turn on immunities to certain moves is insane.
@@DisastrousIntentionally which ones exactly? Lugia and Giratina?
Fire dragon is a super good type except on turntnator like I forgot that guy even existed
And Reshiram, one of the coolest but absolute worst legendaries of all time as it cries next to its equally inept cousin Lugia
It's genuinely amazing how many broken Pokemon this generation introduced, and how many previously amazing Pokemon were muscled out of the meta.
I'm baffled that the Tera thing still hasn't been resolved yet. Just reveal what Tera each pokemon is packing, even VGC does it.
RIP Gay Sex. You will never be forgotten.
lole
Fucking disgusting
Ferrothorn claims another soul.
Say gex
@@butteredsalmonella God he's so based. I hope he comes back in Gen 10.
It's a wonder what the format would look like if we had some kind of restriction on tera years ago.
It would likely be similar to gen 8 with new mons added in. That was another metagame with the gimmick banned.
Y'all should just add open team sheets, that's the best thing that happened to VGC in a long time
We tried
Thats what the tera vote would have resulted in
*if it threatens gambit and gold it gets banned* should be the motto of gen 9 ou
TH-cam comments still complaining about Gambit and Ghold lmao
Fire type threatens gambit and gold
Nobody could have foreseen this
(Well it threatens everything else too but let's ignore that)
This is so sad. Gay Porn has been banned from OU.
LMAO WHAT DOES THIS JOKE MEAN
@splitsee2526 there was a semi viral clip on Twitter of a gauging fire doing a set up sweep. It's name was gay porn and the music in the back was the Refrain from a song called good lookin, a country song about gay sex
@@abrawolf LMFAO
The most silly ban I think I have seen ever, with the most silly ratio ever. Nothing changes because of this ban, no mons go up in usage, and if anything the meta gets more stale as a result. Its got multiple hard checks, relatively low usage for such a supposedly strong mon (even after the recent OLT it didnt even crack top 10 usage), it has to have terra to see its full strength, and the worst 4mss of any mon in OU.
People cant handle the pope hat, goddamn.
Wow that’s a whole lot of wrong in one comment.
And for the love of goodness and gravy. Usage does not reflect a lack of brokenness. Fucking Dracovish rarely cracked super high usage let alone viability and yet it was supremely broken and hated.
@@HowlingOneify So its so good and very popular but people rarely use it and complain how they can never stop it despite it having had counters that are as common if not more common than it is. Oh and nothing changes, no mons get used more frequently after its gone or get used less frequently after its gone. Something that was very much not the case with the dracovish ban. The only thing that changes is people have to find some other strong terra user to blame for their losses now.
Sure thing bud.
@@GolemRising rarely used it? Is your head up your backside? Mon had a commanding in OLT, and was a regularly massive presence at high ladder.
Counters? Ah I love my “counters” which get flattened by +1 Proto Tera Dragon Outrage. Moltres? Oops Dragon Tail. Garg? Tera Ground Earthquake. It was way too good at blowing holes in teams and even if and when it went down, it left too crippled an opposing team to realistically come back from.
Nothing changes? Steel and water types get better since they don’t give it completely free switches. Grass types also improve which is great for Wellspring. Nevermind that teams now don’t have an overbearing breaker and sweeper breathing down their necks in game.
Oh and one thing more. Dondozo gets worse. It already wasn’t ironclad losing to Dragon Tail and possibly Outrage variants, but now people don’t have to stick such a mediocre Mon on their defensive teams to not risk folding.
@@HowlingOneify Commanding what in OLT? It was on 10% of teams at most. It had fewer appearances than Raging Bolt OR Iron Moth, and less than half the presence of Zamazenta. I think I saw 2 people running it after cutoff and at least one of them was not winning with it. But we are not talking about any of those mons, and we are talking about GF?
Oh noes, your hard counters fall to them having very specific terras and coverage moves that cant be on all sets and make up a tiny percentage of the ones you see! Almost like....every other major offensive mon in the tier. Literally all of them. Tera Earth EQ on DD dnite. Hex sets on dragapult. Sub Vs Choice Vs LO vs Boots on Bolt. Etc Etc Etc.
You also didnt even mention Dodonzo or Amola when you were talking about hard counters. Because you know damn well hardly anyone was running dragon tail and terra ferry shuts down the set anyways. Which are the actual hard counters. So good job revealing you already knew about them and chose to ignore the gaping hole in your argument, but I wont.
And as for dodonzo yeah its so mediocre it hard walls all major physical threats in the tier barring choice band rillaboom. So bad it makes up a key part of one of the major defensive cores. Very mediocre. Wao.
Which steel, water, or grass types will see more play, exactly? Because water types were already the go-too, so they would see less play if anything. They haven't so far, and wont in the future. If you cant come up with real examples, your point does not exist.
But from your angry outrage and lack of any real points, you know as well as I do that this will go the same way as the last 3 OUs have. They will ban something irrelevant, and a few months later the same people screaming for this ban will be screaming about something else. Because the thing they want to ban is not the mon. The thing they want to ban is loosing to something they couldn't be bothered to prepare for properly.
@@GolemRising Where are you even pulling your usage stats from. Seriously.
These sets were not random or rare. They picked up significantly towards the mid and late stages of OLT and were gaining a lot of notoriety among top players. Not to mention the many Tera blast variants running around, but especially fairy.
None of the other offensive threats remotely compared to Gouging and its efficiency. It effortlessly adapted to beat any check you threw at it. It can’t run everything at once, it also didn’t have to. Chances are you’ll just run into a set you couldn’t prep for and lose to it.
Tera Ground DNite is rarer, not to mention worse, than other sets. Dropping normal on it significantly guts its anti offense value. And LO Bolt is massively weak to hazards and chip, and unlike Gouging, is coming into battle a lot while Gouging often comes in just once. Specs has prediction issues, not to mention its poor speed, and Boots lacks power to muscle through teams which makes it quite simple to contain. Also sub is bad on it.
You also didnt even mention Dodonzo or Amola when you were talking about hard counters.
I didn’t mention Dondozo or Mola because they suck as answer. Dondozo has to avoid falling to 85% or it gets 2HKOd by Tera Dragon Proto Outrage. And Mola can’t even touch Gouging and has to use Tickle, plus struggles to take +1 Proto Tera Dragon Outrage.
Claiming hardly anyone ran Dragon Tail is laughable. There’s literally high level replays of it clowning on teams which thought they were prepared for it. Tera Fairy? Oops now you’re hit by Heat Crash instead and no longer a true check.
You should be awfully careful about sounding arrogant because you’re showing you aren’t as familiar as you like to lead on. Case in point. Dondozo was already steeply falling off in usage, because it’s a fat passive momentum sink that doesn’t actually do shit. Abused to no end by u-turn and knock off, and so easily pressured into resting. It’s nowhere near a staple anymore and rarely appears outside stall teams.
Water types did jack fuck to check Gouging. They risked giving it free entry and set up. Grasses couldn’t touch it. Steels like Corv and Gholdengo were free entry, as were Kingambit and Iron Crown. It makes these Pokémon more useful now that they’re not letting such a dangerous Mon in.
You’re the only one angry and crying here mate. Nothing that has been banned was “irrelevant”, and the last three OUs? Nice try but you should actually know about what you’re talking about first.
"Pokemon’s *NEW* Most One-Sided Ban Vote."
Shaymin and its Gen5 unanimous ban: AM I A JOKE TO YOU!?
Something happened and I am furious
Nothing gets banned until the council climbs ladder
Idk how this got banned but gambit is still in the game
is it really that hard just to make tera type visible? All this trouble for a solution to have existed since the beginning of the metagame
Gouging Fire, the past paradox form of Entei, has just been banned from generation 9 OU.
With an unbelieveable 91.14% ban vote percentage
With an unbelievable 91.14% ban vote percentage
This funny dog with a big hat is incredibly versatile in Gen 9 OU meta @@Mondo78951
That is an insane super majority
And the most sweeping result since the Bloodmoon Ursaluna suspect vote
It sure sounds like open team sheets would solve a lot of these problems
is the ou council run by 3 kingambits and 3 gholdengos
Hat too big is a common ban reason. That's the same reason pirates are banned.
Entei really making up for past losses with this one
A Palafin retest would be incredibly interesting, and it'd be a case of a rare unban for a suspect test where the majority of these tests are meant for a Pokemon in a metagame to be banned.
In such an offense-heavy metagame where power of attacks can rise to dramatic levels with the assistance of Tera, maybe a once-defensive uber that hardly get these days can fit in standard play just fine without being too broken...
Like Lugia and Solgaleo?
Also this ban was (when you look at its viability and usage stats), really a disappointment.
Inb4 usage =/= viability arguments but almost always isn't the case with since most pokemon that rank up high in usage have some sort of viability in the metagame, one way or another.
Something that seems to be on quite a few players mind would be banning tera blast. It might make tera slightly less oppressive, and allow the council to test back threats that really relied on it, like Regieleki.
i do still think the tier would be better if we had a tera reveal clause rather than banning everything that abuses tera, but i know a lot of people do enjoy tera how it is so i don't see a problem with gouging fire going since whenever i try the tier it's the most oppressive mon by far (besides gholdengo and kingambit but since the actual ou players seem to like them i'll just wish them well and stick to other tiers lol)
tera reveal would help with the predictibility issue tera has of what counter could work against it before getting into the fun part of playing well.
@@randomprotag9329 that's my thought process too, i just don't think it's feasible to accurately predict with unrevealed tera. a 6v6 singles game with unrevealed tera (assuming team preview, no hax and that you correctly guess every item and move for your opponent) has 6561 outcomes on turn 1, compared to 81 with no tera or 169 with revealed tera. if other gen 9 ou players are really 81 times smarter than us pesky old gen players then fair play to them, but in my experience you usually just accept that at some point a silly tera will come out that makes you lose a trade and try to do the same back to even things out, the end result is basically the same as z-moves except there's far less counterplay
@@aldrichunfaithful3589 there are metagame calls of items or types which dont remotely fit the pokemon but teratypes dont have one terratype that does everything a player wants for each pokemon so its does go into better odds quesswork.
@@randomprotag9329 but it doesnt help the predictability of whether or not they'll tera
Funny how a mon 19th in usage got banned. Thanks smogon
As more and more time has gone on, the more and more I find myself turning against Tera as a mechanic. I think a good restriction on it would be to see the 6 Tera types selected by your opponent, and have to work out which type corresponded to which Pokémon, and wouldnt entirely get rid of the ambiguity of terastalization
When are they going to admit that Terastalization was the problem all along? It seems like the through line for every single Gen 9 OU ban has been "well it abuses Tera."
Not that I play competitive Pokemon, so I have no idea what I'm talking about. This is just me sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong.
They already tried and polled the community various times
Support dried up after the first test
most of the community wanted the ban but smogon said nah
@@broidkanymore-zc4lt That's simply not true, every time the community is surveyed banning tera gets very little traction. On a recent one it was only wanted by 28% of the people voting even, the council is definitely not the ones keeping it around
@@itztaytay2 i saw one time the community had 59% vote on tera
@@broidkanymore-zc4lt No, 59% of the general voting population wanted something done with tera. 28% want an outright ban
2:44 That hurt my soul
I am furious
4:02 you are not forced to run dondozo, you can use DACHSBUN 😎
Really wish booster energy wasn’t a mechanic. Think that’s the main ingredient for gen9 being so mid
Yeah, this is what tends to happen with power creep. I suspect there is going to be a new tier at some point.
entei with a funny hat will be missed
If a mon can run two hard to counter sets and then further decide which counters actually can affect you through some clever teras, that's extremely strong
Gouging Fire was definitely pushed over the edge by tera, also kyurem definitely needs to go
I'd love to see a hypothetical alternate universe where we just banned tera altogether from the beginning. I bet a lot of pokemon could be fine without the "mystery" of its tera and not "being able to predict what set it is" idk I don't think being unpredictable is really a bad thing. You shouldn't be able to just know your opponents full set immediately with team preview.
Wait a minute, hadn't they previously proposed banning gouging fire but the smogon nerds cried saying that we would return to the stall era? But now is a 91% Ban vote?!?
Well, then let them learn the consequences and have to live with gouging fire, anyway the format is already broken with ogerpon and kingambit
Kyurem and Roaring Moon have been much more annoying imo
But I run Balloon Heatran which hard walls some Gouging Fire sets
I really wasn't that scared of Gouging Fire. Lando T was a pretty good counter since EQ doesn't make contact, and Grassy Terrain set by rillaboom is weak to u turn.
The real threat is Kyurem imo.
Farewell Great Hat. I would reminisce on our fond memories together. However, it seems as if I have none that come to mind. This is very unfortunate.
wow another big ban citing “tera abuser/unpredictable tera” i wonder what new game mechanic is causing all these maybe we should do something about that
This makes me wanna pick up Scarlet. I haven’t played in like 7 months
Ferrothorn is very happy about this
A person once made a comeback with Gouging Fire against my 4 Pokémon to 2. It felt unfair because that thing is just like Dragonite but on steroids 😭 One DD and it's basically an instant win button. It's also even tankier than Swampert!
So that's why I kept running into so many more sun teams recently, I'm not high up on the ladder so for me it was okay to deal with because they just used their tera on other mons trying to survive my hyper offense team.
i think the first time around, breaking swipe was being hyped up and it was never actually that good. it got the job done, but it was such a slow burn you kind of just quit once they click breaking once. you know they’re just gonna keep dd’ing
olt showed what it’s true potential is, ppl starting using its actual offensive capabilities. the mon was this broken all along
They should make a new tier called "way too damn much used " for mons like great tusk and gambit.
He’s no longer bouncing
They should just copy vgc and make the tera types known before the battle starts
That'll for sure help out finding out which of the 50 sets Gouging fire is running and immediately losing in team preview because you prepared for DD dual stab EQ and DD tera fairy blast, not morning sun sets/CB sets.
fun fact: adamant max atk choice band tera fire protosynthesis sun boosted raging fury does 50% minimum to max hp max def impish dondozo.
live heatran reaction 🐸🐸
Wevile using ice shard against Gouging Fire was such a "You are not a god" moment.
As someone who hasn't played Pokemon for a few generations, hearing the Kyurem might be a problem is quite a shock
Smogon:
"Hey! Something didn't get banned the first time! Let's suspect test it until it does!"
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE SONG PLAYING AT 0:18 ????
trial from ace attorney
@@saintmeao4243 goat 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Ubers UU mentioned! 6:13 tragically it’s not good there.
Jim using windwaker music, this is insane folks.
2:59 Then why isn't Kingambit banned? That thing has like 7 viable Tera-types.
If you want an actual answer, Kingambit is easier and more straightforward to play around. Unlike a lot of the banned setup sweepers Kingambit has no way to raise its speed so simply outrunning it and using a status move to cripple it (Taunt to stop it from SD, Will o wisp to burn, Substitute to block a sucker punch, Encore locking it, list keeps going) is very viable. Sure you may not know what type it's about to become but counterplay doesn't change much from that and it means they aren't using their tera on any other mons
@@itztaytay2 This only becomes true after you've figured out which of its nine different sets it's running, and by that point, it's already singlehandedly taken down two of your pokémon and brought a third into the red.
@@TwiliPaladin Are you kidding? Gambit's only real uncertainty is its 4th move and EVs lol. Swords Dance, Sucker Punch, usually Kowtow Cleave are basically mandatory. It barely even has 2 sets much less 9 lol, it's incredibly straightforward of how to play against it just really annoying if you don't have a proper answer and instead comes down to sucker punch predictions
funny seeing shiny Arceus depicted as being responsible for tier shifts and whatnot because I have a shiny Arceus (His name is Butter) and I imagine him being in the video
The cycle repeats! Pokemon becomes a top level threat! Defensive Walls that counter it become common! A Tera Type and reimagined role makes Pokemon Uncounterable! The Pokemon is banned!
I am a big proponent of banning Tera. Think of Threat-Counter as a game of call and response. Optimally, you want to play the best Threat. If both players play optimal, this is a coin flip. The next level of thinking is you play a counter to the Best Threat. If your opponent plays the Optimal Threat and you play the Counter, you win. Your opponent can then win by playing a sub-optimal threat that accounts for your counter. At this stage, Tera allows for an Optimal Threat to still beat its supposed counter, or for a Suboptimal Threat to have comparable power to the Optimal, which totally invalidates ever trying to counter a pokemon. If Suboptimal is comparable to Optimal and beats the Counter, it never makes sense to not play either the Optimal or Suboptimal threat. Tera consistently has the role to bridge the gap and create these dually optimal threat cases where on ladder you just have to play the coin flip as to whether your counter works or not.
I should really type this coherently on a desktop on the forum but its nighttime and youtube on my phone so I hope my argument carries. A concrete, but silly, example before I go. In Primal Groudon metagames, an effective check is Golduck, who threatens with Hydro Pump due to Cloud Nine. This is because preventing Groudon from setting up is all important, and Golduck is a rare pokemon who can take advantage of a 4x Weakness and win one of pokemons scariest matchups while letting you EV and IV your own Groudon and Kyogre with less focus on winning the Primal-off weather battle. If Groudon can Tera, it is always setting up. This causes you to play more reasonable, reliable, predictable answers; good pokemon and not Golduck my beloved. Predictable answers mean that Groudon can prepare for those answers. Tera works by eliminating gimmick counters from being usable, then being a tool to bypass more predictable counters, and it leaves you with an uncounterable murder machine
I think that too much pokemon are banned right now. There is a better solution to the problem of tera abuser setup sweeper: tera preview. This will make the counterplay a little easier with no very hard prediction. This will resolve the problem of Gouging Fire, Volcarona, Annihilape and maybe Spectrier (so sad that his counterpart is in pu) and Palafin.
Preview does not solve the issue of these mons brokenness. Knowing their type doesn’t suddenly change the fact that you can very easily have prepared for a different set, not the one in front of you. They’re too versatile and too powerful and it’s simply not possible to prep for them reasonably.
Also Spectrier was extremely broken last gen. It’s only gotten better this gen.
The towering pillar of hats......... gone forever................
Iron-Variant sweating in the background, hearing the latest news
I'm gonna be honest, Tera is like the issue to half of the banned mons. In all tiers. Tera steel mimikyu in early RU, Tera ghost medicham in PU. The like 7 UUBL mons that are broken because of tera
I hope we get a Mega Entei someday that is just Gouging Fire but it cannot hold an item and also cannot be tera'd lol
You know who should be banned? Ogerpon Wellspring. Such a big team building restriction.
Been a year since I stopped following the gen 9 OU meta game.
While watching this video and seeing why GF was broken, only thought in my head was "so, they didn't ban tera yet, have they?"
Why would they? Just because a handful of Pokemon are broken with it, that shouldn't supercede all the not banned Pokemon Tera helps make viable
Did they take any action on tera at all? VGC does open team sheet which I think is a fair compromise, at the very least open tera types should be an option.
The playerbase is fine with Tera, so it's not getting banned. Is it a good mechanic though? I mean Asmongold is just fine living in the health hazard that is his home, even though his quality of life would dramatically improve if he cleaned every so often
We're 2 years into the generation. Tera isnt going to be banned
Its quite more than a handful….we definitely need open team sheet
tapu lele found dead in a ditch with a second missed focus blast
i'd like to forget about gouging fire's existence so this is good
The lengths people will go to not use Rhydon in OU again smh
I wonder how different the meta would have been if tera had gotten banned when that was tested. Would all the same pokemon have been banned?