The only thing I have against the Enterprise G is that it stole the spotlight from the Titan's legacy, they should have either refitted the F into the Yorktown refit or built another Constitution III class.
I agree. It's weird, Starfleet follows a lot of naval traditions. But historically, renaming a ship was seen as bad luck. I'm guessing 23rd/24th century humans feel they have "evolved" beyond fear of that superstition.
I agree, I heard rumors it might have been renamed as the USS Picard, I think that would had been better than making it the Enterprise, as a reward for it's actual success.
well its bacly like a updated verson of a older class but then overhauled with up to date or cuting edge tech put into it. like how the us navy in real life have allways retro fited the same world war to to cold war battleships,crusers, aircraft carrers, and distroyers. its far more easy to just buld and upgrade a allready proven ship class engeard hull achertpye with modern or cuting edge tech then it is to make a new ship class arctrtpye disine form the whole ground up.
I rolled my eyes on this. In otherwise banger season they had to rename the Titan the sheer disrespect to Shaw and the crew that died trying to save the day. The Titan it is the Titan it will always be to me.
yeah right. the enterprise always has to be the top of the line and biggest starship to date. There are only two enterprises left until the Enterprise J. I want a series with her!!
yea, that reveal to me felt like when rey said shes Rey skywalker. its like they think renaming the ship to be enterprise will give it more meaning somehow, but instead it just felt off and wrong.
In the TNG era, the Enterprise has always been the flagship and was always a cutting edge, most technologically-advanced ship... D was a Galaxy class, E was Sovereign class, and F was Odyssey/Yorktown class. It seems like a radical departure and a step back to make the next Enterprise the "Neo-Constitution" class. Also, why not just keep the Titan name? The decision to rename the Titan-A the Enterprise-F seemed poorly thought out.
They were always called the flagship, but were almost never seen carrying an Admiral which is typical of a flagship. Always made me think the title was more ceremonial because of the history behind the name, and not because they carried a fleet Admiral.
Jesus Christ did it seem shoehorned and I guess fuck the legacy of all the crew that sacrificed themselves under the Titan A. I had no doubt that a year later we were going to discover that The Enterprise F had been destroyed in the Borg incident and that a refit Enterprise D was recommissioned. There was no reason that Seven couldn't have been the captain and the bulk of the Titan A crew transferred with her. But nope. Weird rename of a mid level ship.
There's nothing in canon implying that the 1701-E or the 1701-F was the fleet flagship. The only ones confirmed in canon to be flagships were the original 1701 and the 1701-D.
I feel like renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G diminishes the legacies of both the Titan and the Enterprise. The Titan earned its right to have a legacy, but they took it away. The Enterprise's legacy apparently isn't strong enough to warrant a new ship, it has to get another ship's leftovers. I bothers me.
@@sardonicspartan9343 So was the Enterprise in 2271 arguably the most advance ship at that moment in the fleet. But she was still a 26-year-old refit also at the time. The Enterprise-G using older parts doesn't also mean she's not a State-of-the-Art vessel.
That ship does not appear to be as large onscreen as they say it is. Doesn't look much bigger than an Excelsior class, particularly when you see the Titan next to the D.
An excelsior is 511 meters. So you are right.. it doesn't look much bigger... because it's not... just over 40 meters longer. The on screen scale is absolutely correct.
I think people forget how absurdly big thr D is width wise, especially as when we see that side by side shot of the Titan and the D next to each other we get to see the Titan ain't too much smaller, with it beinf barely shorter height wise and about a 3rd the width maybe half at a push. I even had one person in a comment section once trying to say it was the same size as the original Connie, even though we literally see the new jersey and the Enterprise A inside their rings as much smaller than the rings and the Titan way bigger than the ring.
One of big flaws of Picard series is the scaling issue. Most people agree that Inquiry should be version of Avenger and so this ship also mid-size unit.
@@backtoearth1983 Egh? What? Excelsior was always a medium size ship. It is just long and thin, with unusual 1/3 proportion. Neo-Conie has 1/2, what make it way larger then excelsior. In Trek ships of same length, can have radically different sizes. For example Galaxy has proportions 2/3 and on top of that wider saucer. So it was massive! Sovereign was in fact smaller, despite greater length.
I don't hate this class but it feels like such a regression, both technologically and aesthetically, and it seemed to me uncessary to decomission the Luna class when there's STILL Excelsior's flying around- but to take away The Titan's legacy and rename it Enterprise feels like such a huge error, and deeply disrespectful considering how rare legacy registries were in this era. The Neo-Con feels like a HUGE step down from the Oddysey for a legacy flagship, ESPECIALLY when the F was being decomissioned EARLY. As an ending, it left a very sour taste in my mouth.
The F was afaik only being decommissioned due to multiple systems failures. Don't know why Starfleet couldn't just strip her down to her skeleton and rebuild her, replacing the failing systems and upgrading her at the same time
this class makes sense as they want to do a soft reboot of the federation war vessels. also its the result of ship building yard being destroyed. i think this make up for the reasoning
Is it possible that the Excelsiors are actually early to mid 24th century hulls that have been gutted out and rebuilt internally with 25 th century technology such the IRL B52 bombers that will get cutting edge new engines. New Radars. New glass cockpit displays. And new EW suite in a 1962 airframe.
Yeah, I don't get it either. We've got Excelsiors and Mirandas running around for more than a century, but mid 24th century ships like the Galaxy, Luna and Intrepid are being decommissioned after a few decades.
Sad thing is, that end shot with the Galaxy class Ent-D next to the Connie Mk.III Titan-A, just shows off how much more futuristic and powerful the Galaxy class looks. The Neo Connie really does come off as a huge regression.
@@csigunner5087 To be fair, it spent most of the season up against a massively overpowered alien ship armed with all sorts of unorthodox weapons and defenses no one had seen before, that probably would have easily given trouble to larger ships like Sovereigns and Odyssey's too. After that it basically had to last as long as it could versus the ENTIRE Starfleet armada. I think it managed pretty well given the circumstances.
I liked the season overall but like other comments on here renaming the Titan A as the Enterprise G didnt sit well with me. Definitley a step down from the Odyssey class F that could have been fixed and refitted. Seems strange to show the F in Picard season 3 just to decomission it early. That didn't sit well with me either, but it was cool to finally see it on screen in canon.
I loved the Luna class! The mission pod gave it the capability of becoming a battle-ship or scout-ship within a couple days notice. I feel Starfleet should have stuck to multi-role modifications on its ships, instead of designing them for singular purposes. 😒
Says a lot about the Vulcan character when you don’t even know their name. They were pretty much disposable. And captain Shaw was likable but very low brow and kind of a doofus. They’re essentially missing the whole point of Star Trek. It’s no longer about exploration or trekking or becoming better.. It’s about referring to themselves as. D**s**ts. It’s generally unwatchable and won’t be remembered in five years. Time was where someone would guest star on an episode and you could still remember their name 30 years later.. But now, people that you see on the shows multiple episodes don’t even leave an impression. Besides Laforge’s daughter, name any other bridge member on the Titan
One of the continual issues the Picard series had was that no one on the writing staff knows what "refit" means. The called the Sagan-class Stargazer a refit...of what? The Constellation-class version is in the Fleet Museum. Did they take NCC-1777 for the frame of the Titan-A? That would make it a refit, I suppose, but they'd have had to upscale it quite a bit. In my perfect world, they would have just fixed up and recommissioned the Enterprise-D and turned her loose again. ^__^
Agreed. The only excuse I can think of is there was a general order not to build new ships. So they were slapping a few old parts on brand new craft and calling them refits to get around the supposed restriction on building.
I can‘t bring myself to think the Neo-Constitution class as as a mark 3 (or block 3) of the original Constitution class. In my opinion that would imply that the Neo-Constitution is a modified version of the original class, which I doubt. There has been too much of a history with designing new classes from scratch to implement new technologies and changes in doctrine in late TNG-era to believe Starfleet would bother to keep updating a design that they hadn‘t been using prominently for many decades. I prefer to think of the term „Neo-Constitution“-Class as a nod to famous design from the past, or maybe it started out as a nickname due to the visual similarity that eventually stuck abd became official.
Though there are underside phaser on the saucer, I noticed no phaser turrets on the bottom of the secondary fuselage. That's not good, they could at least put one on the bottom of the shuttle bay area
@@backtoearth1983 Because of the sacrifices the crew made? Titan had a legacy before and build on that. And how is it honored? By taking away the name?
It's a slap in the face to the Titan and it's Legacy to have them rename it Enterprise. The Building of an Enterprise shouldn't be a simple matter of ok we'll just take this ship and rename it Enterprise. Even if that's what they did to The Yorktown and Renamed it The Enterprise A (not 100% sure in that) it is still different in that The Yorktown was in Space dock undergoing a major redesign. Even so I would rather them just build a new ship than rename an old ship Enterprise. And yeah... Frightfully bad luck.
Even the type of ship doesn’t match the entire point and usage of the Enterprise. The enterprise whether people like it or not was repeatedly shown, stated, and made into the flagship of the federation. She is the ship every enemy wants to get their hands on, and is the ship who takes command of all other vessels in a serious situation. Hell the F and her lineage were the centerpiece of frontier day. Downgrading the enterprise to lesser ship then the F, while throwing away the Titan-A was probably one of the dumbest in and out of universe decisions I’ve even seen.
Enterprise G should have been a Ross class. It best exemplifies the traditional Enterprise layout and looks less warship and more like a true explorer.
Yeah, Matalas really bungled this choice. I heard someone else mentioning that Matalas had no interest in the F, which is why she was decommissioned, but considering that Season 3 was designed for the fans, one would think that Matalas would have set aside his ambivalence to the ship after hearing fan appreciation for it! Justice for the F!
Introducing the F was bait for STO players, and the Titan-A/Ent-G is a big vanity project cause the staff preferred 23rd century designs. Change my mind.
Terry wanted a retro ship that looked like the Shangri-La. He or one of the writers wanted a joke about Shaw deleting Riker's jazz collection. Someone said "just call it a refit, no one will care." Except they should know (and the MCU has conclusively proven) that we do care about little things like continuity.
the phaser strips could be classed as it's primary weapons system for heavy hitting, while the phaser turrets are for point defense against small agile ships which seem more common in that era or shooting down incoming torpedoes and making the ship looking less of a combat vessel but still well armed
I'd probably reverse that assessment. Iirc, phaser strips are comprised of lots of little emitter things working together, which means smaller moving parts (if there even are any moving parts). The turrets, meanwhile, would have to move their much larger mass for each new target. Plus, strips were designed to increase the arcs of fire a ship could achieve, as the beam could originate from any point along their length. I'd instead make the turrets as powerful as possible for use as the main phaser armament, and use the strips to cover awkward angles and point-defence with their (presumably higher) speed of acquisition and greater firing arc.
We’ve seen the Galaxy phaser strips be deadly accurate against small craft but have to rely on torpedos to put in major damage against heavier vessels. Conversely, Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness have shown us just how devastating the turrets can be to larger cruisers and Beyond establishes how ineffective they were against the Altamid swarms of small craft. So yeah I’d say the opposite way around.
@@irregularassassin6380 like how Defiant had the phaser cannons which only faced forwards and were it's heavy hitters then other smaller phasers for point defense.
I do think it used a Connie II frame, you can see the saucer is built out wider, as is the secondary hull, to make more room etc. Shaw pushed the limits and shaved around corners where he could to fit things in, as he was an engineer besides a captain (you can see how proud he was to have Commodore LaForge see his 'baby'.
Sour grapes aside: terrific video! You did a great job explaining the level of plot gymnastics they had to go through to excuse replacing the state of the art Odyssey with THIS jalopy! 😁
What gets to me so much about the "let's move past our militaristic phase of Starfleet" with the deliberate callback to the Connie is that the show already had a ship that could absolutely fill this vacuum: it's called the Sagan-class. While the Sagan's design is incredibly striking and a wonderful update to both the original U.S.S. Stargazer and the ship seen in STO, it's smaller and more exploratory like the Connie III instead of having the sheer scale and power of the Oddysey-class. Instead of being the all-arounder that engages in large conflicts and being provocative in its presence like the Enterprise-F would likely be, the new Stargazer could fill that niche of being the ship that does a lot of the first contact work that exemplifies the primary values of the Federation. The Odyssey can be the poster child for all the innovations and beauty that the UFP champions, but the smaller and more subtle yet gorgeous Sagan-class could be out on the frontier to hearken back to their exploratory roots while not being as pompous as the Galaxy, Sovereign, or Odyssey. Even the naming convention of pushing out to the unknown and reaching others across the cosmos is exemplified by naming the ship after Carl Sagan. It's all right there and the in-universe explanation can make just as much if not more sense for the Sagan-class (as long as it doesn't become the new flagship because that still doesn't make sense no matter which way you slice it). But instead, we get a new Enterprise that - with all due respect to those who love it - feels like a mishmash of ideas and other better ships in a way that sidelines the Stargazer, the original Luna-class Titan, and of course the Enterprise-F. But hey, at least they didn't use the Sagan in S3 so I have this idea all to myself in STO 😁
I’ve been saying similar things for months. The Stargazer should’ve remained the hero ship for Season 3. It’s my favorite 24th century Starfleet ship design besides the redesigned Inquiry.
I like the Titan-A but I have always felt we Trekkie fans got cheated when they re-christened the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G. We should have gotten a completely new ship instead of just a re-christened one.
@@GoodOldGamer honestly, that would have been the perfect opportunity for the All good things refit to come into fruition AND make it's series finale appearance again.
@@GoodOldGamer tbh, let everyone retire. Let the Galaxy-X come into service, and continue the next series with the Titan A. It feels like such a missed opportunity to have a new hero ship name.
@@WuSEification They threw in as many memberberries as possible, yet ignoring there were other hero ships in ST. Voyager, Defiant. Not every ST show has to have an Enterprise.
I've been watching all the old Star Trek shows with my wife for the last year or so. I'm looking forward to finally getting to Picard sometime not too far from now lol. Thank you for the interesting video! God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
Should have kept the Titan, Titan. Given the fan service they already provided they should have taken the D, added the spinal lance, an extra nacelle and refit it as the Enterprise G as part of a new generation of Picard Class ships.
Nah, I severely disagree with the idea of refitting the D... Don't get me wrong, I don't like the renaming of thr Titan, but the D is weaker than the Titan is, and the Titan is one of the weakest ships in the fleet currently. There are a multitude of alternative ships that are much stronger and more capable of the name of Enterprise G that the D, that and we do my just got her back, and I really really do not want to see her both get unglied up by new tech and also destroyed in some random battle in the future.
@@mastere6115 up until now the D was thought to have lost its drive section and the saucer was abandoned half destroyed out there stripped of its technology due to one battle with an outdated Klingon ship. All I’m suggesting is we get the Enterprise we saw in All good things, also at a close enough date that would make some sense in the timelines.
Starfleet coming out of the Dominion War and the Borg threat being minimal, Starfleet wanted to get back to more exploration starships. It appears that the destruction of Utopia Planetia created problems with building larger starships. Apparently, much of the hull and systems were stripped off the Luna class Titan.
I believe the G was originally supposed to become the USS Picard and they changed it for some reason. Having 2 enterprises in operation under the federation doesnt make much sense, given that the F is still fully operational anyway
That was one of the proposed names, but someone pushed for G. And the F was actually due for early retirement in a blink-and-miss it moment in one of the earlier episodes when the spy-lady Raffi I think her name was, was flipping through news articles.
@@lbz1983 whilst true, it still was left perfect fine by the end of the battle and barely unscathed, it isn't called a dreadnought for no reason, that thing is an absurd beast. So they could have easily brought it out of retirement again.
Great video, and I like the explanation that the Starfleet was reusing decommissioned fleets as a stop gap until a replacement for Utopia Planetia could be brought up to speed. It's very Starfleet, much like how the Excelsior class was kept in rotation and updated instead of a whole new class being built to replace it.
It's *NOT* though, that's the thing. The 560 meter figure is one thrown out after the fact to try and make it more palatable when the details carried from the constitution linage are *very* specific in sizing that saucer to exactly the same size as a constitution refit's saucer. The saucer rim windows are of a design of a known size, and positioned at the exact same positions they would be on a constitution sized ship, the bridge dome is the *exact* size that a slightly bigger bridge would be on a constitution sized ship, the phaser banks are the right size to match a constitution sized ship, the windows are either grossly oversized and floor to ceiling (which we know they're not from internal shots) or the ship is constitution sized. Then we've got details on the underside of the saucer, like the array of windows on the underside which are common to that style of saucer that we have an exact reference to the size and shape of (which again, would be wildly out of size and shape if she's 560 meters), sheer deck counting from the rows of windows, and a myriad of other cues. One can just look at an Excelsior to actually see what a ship that is actually in the 500 meter range should look like because that was actually designed with that proportionate size in mind, and the details are scaled appropriately to convey that. Then compare how that ship looks to how an original constitution refit looks and how the neo-constitution looks. It's the exact same level of bald-faced lying to our faces as trying to claim the SNW constitution will somehow shrink into the TOS connie. That's not how it works.
Unless this is a really long-lived class, like the Excelsior, this will cause problems for the writers in keeping the Enterprise-J as a mid-26th-century ship, as Daniels showed Archer in Enterprise. If the Enterprise-G is around at the turn of the 25th century, then it and the Ent-H and Ent-I have to last an average of 50 years each in order to keep things consistent with Star Trek Enterprise's glimpse of the 26th century.
I love everything about this ship except the Enterprise-G thing. Its a great ship, its maybe the best looking ship to come out of star trek in a long time. It also being the one of the two ships that saved the federation has an emotional argument to make an exception and name it enterprise. I still just feel like in an era where the Odyssey exists this is too small and undergunned to carry the name Enterprise.
Seeing as the Excelsior II was supposed to be 588m having this ship be 560m means the saucer is ginormous, as is the bridge dome area. Seems to work better if it was smaller.
I figure since they were about to retire the Enterprise-F...Star fleet already had the Enterprise-G ready to go...or would shortly. To re-name the Titan-A, Enterprise-G...was indeed a slap to the Titan-A and to the Enterprise-G. Re-naming a ship is something you do when you're trying to hide it...legally or illegally...Or because you're Ashamed of it. 1."Wow! What ship was single handedly battling the entire star fleet during the Borg incursion?" asks a young ensign...who was probably a Borg during this event. 2. "That was the starship Titan-A." they received as an answer. 1. "Great...I'd like to see this kick ass ship who took on the entire fleet by its self. Where is it?" 2. "Oh, almost immediately afterward, Star Fleet re-named it Enterprise-G." 1. "But...why? Most people won't know that this ship is really the fierce Titan-A!" 2. "Yeah...I know..but what can I tell you? You should ask Star Fleet...because no one can make sense of it." ...................And that how little sense it makes to most true Trekkies.
The design of the Constitution III class makes quite a lot of sense in that advances in technology made the more massive Excelsior class, Galaxy Class, and Sovereign class ships no longer practical, as those classes were designed to take on threats like The Borg and The Dominion. This forced Starfleet to go back to the classic Constitution class design, which has greater mission flexibility and adaptability.
I have to say, Season 3 was the first Star Trek I have really enjoyed since the 3rd and 4th Seasons of Enterprise. They really did a bang-up job. I hope to see a new series with Seven of Nine and Raffi on the Enterprise-G. They managed to redeem all the characters and made me feel hopeful and adventurous by the end. With that tone, they will do better than even Strange New Worlds.
FYI, the subtitles seem to be a bit messed up. The full text of the subtitles for the full video appear in the first few seconds, and then the rest of the video is _de facto_ without subtitles. I've seen this on some other videos from other channels, which makes me suspect that this might be a bug in TH-cam's system. In any case, I thought you would like to know about this issue
I absolutely love the Shangri-La, definitely my favorite starship design of all time, and I really like the Connie III. I do admittedly call it the Shangri-La II at times. Still a really pretty design, very glad it exists
I like this ship just fine, and have no problem with the idea of them revisiting old aesthetics. Also I think it's very nice that they used a fan design as the basis. But that said, I'm kind of frustrated that they didn't just use the existing Luna class Titan. Picard season 3 was, on the whole, a TNG era nostalgia fest... And the original Titan actually looks like a ship from that era. Why harken to the TOS movie era? And why do that at the expense of making confusing mincemeat out of the concept of a "refit"? The whole thing just reeks of someone in charge of the show shoehorning in a ship design they liked after the show had already been written. I dunno. I hate sounding negative about it. It's a nice ship. I just don't think it was the right ship for this show.
Agreed. It was exciting to see the D making a come back after all these years. Yet, it was confusing when they switched from showing the D then the Fleet in attack formation. With the D looking so much newer.
The old aesthetics took effort. Numerous concepts suggested, culled, refined. Models built. Rebuilt. The final product was shaped by limited time and money and practical filming concerns. They made the ship into a _character_ for the show. The new aesthetics are just copypasta multiplications. It shows in the shows.
Using the Luna would require paying its designer properly so they made something craper with mute echoes of it. Its called the Russel T Davies technique.
@@DarthAzabrush so they didn't have to pay Bill Krause for the Shangri-La class? And they didn't have to pay cg artists to update the design? Not sure the financials really tell the whole story here.
@@adamlytle2615 Krause was already on staff. The Titan's designer wasn't and indeed was a fan who won a contest rather than a professional which pulls up the whole Union angle.
OK so here's a thought. We are also talking about having two shows running basically at the same time both of them centered around the enterprise and both of them are constitution class. I'm not sure if that's such a good thing at this time I think they should have left it as the Titan A. However if done right they might be able to do some good storytelling. I look forward to seeing what they could do. I do firmly believe that seven of nine deserves that captain's chair. And I would absolutely love to see that story.
I wonder if the Neo-Constitution-class will lead to a Neo-Miranda, Neo-Saladin, and so on. Possibly a Neo-Shangri-La that happens to have the actual lines and shape of the Constitution refit because that would be hilarious.
It's ugly, and looks like a massive step down from the Sovereign class and the other ships from First Contact. The nacelles in particular are huge/bulky/blocky this does not look like it follows Trek design lineage.
I can fully except that the connie 3 is the new Enterprise if it is the Enterprise B (yes... before excelsior, ambassador, galaxy, sovereign, and odyssey exist) 🤣
In my opinion, if Starfleet wanted to go back to a more exploratory design, it would have made a bit more sense, if they had gone with a more Galaxy-class like design. Going back to a TOS era looking sauce-section, still makes no sense to me. Let's face it, there is only the out of universe explanation: it's an attempt of appealing to nostalgia.º
could also be an in-universe nostalgia. A call back to a golden age of exploration and discovery before the borg and the dominion war, back when the federation felt confident in itself
It is like when new cars are based on old car designs. They are newer designs based off nostalgia. It is all about the nostalgia that exploration they were craving. Going back to the stars like the old days. The federation yearned for those golden days. So it harkens back to those days bringing the old Constitution Class back. Its old design mixed with new design elements. It makes sense in a post war era limited resources way of thinking. Bring back a classic to inspire the cadets and populace that they were going back to a golden age.
@@christophvogel1080 and it's the one that makes the most sense, the Federation for almost a century have been in one war after another, and the Kirk era was probably the least hostile time period of them all (that we as an audience have actually seen) so it is an obvious choice to go back to the old roots when they want to step away from the battle ships and dreadnoughts (looking at the F for thr that one) which all are absurdly powerful but do not shine much for the ideal of exploration. Though they better bring the damn carpet back, or at least brighten the ships, as it ain't a strip club...
@@mastere6115 If being in a cold war with the Klingons for most of it, counts as the least hostile... Just feels weird, to go back to that TOS saucer design after moving away from it, mostly (except for workhorses like the Miranda class) to the smoother lines of the Galaxy class and later the sleek design of the Sovereign, Luna, etc. classes. Don't get me wrong, the TOS designs are classic, but I guess I simply prefer the sleeker lines of the later ships.
I like this design. I don’t love it, I don’t hate it. I simply think it’s alright and nondescript enough to fit into the fleet yet still nice to look at
What do you think of the theory that the Neo-Connie is an original Shangri-La chassis with Luna guts? As in, because of the loss of Utopia Planitia (meaning no/few truly "new" ships being built) and the Luna Titan presumably taking too much battle damage under Riker to be reasonably repaired, they took everything salvageable from it and retrofitted it all into a mothballed chassis they had laying around? It's the best theory I've heard yet for the retro styling of the ship and certainly seems more plausible than the "Starfleet's feeling nostalgic" one in your video.
I think it’s a logic pretzel that seems needless. Nostalgia for propaganda purposes (looking like Star Fleet’s “golden age”) happens in the real world too and does make sense.
The Titan A, being a science primary vessel, makes sense it would reuse so many older parts as it's not a front line starship but more of a fleet complimentary vessel.
That's given me an idea for a scenario: The USS Theseus NCC-001was commissioned in 2161 and true to its name has been constantly retrofitted and had its parts transferred between frames for over 200 years as the ultimate experiment in ship evolution, and will only be re-registered if it gets destroyed outright.
I forgot what they called the class but there already was a Constitution Class variant in Starfleet as we saw the wreckage of one after the Battle of Wolf 359 as the class was built in the same style as Kirk's ship the only difference was the position of the warp nacelles as they were lying sideways on the pylons.
I really hope we see the Connie 3 in STO in the near future. I just wish they had built a new Connie 3 and christened it Enterprise G instead of making the Titan the new Enterprise. It's like they were over writing the Titans legacy. She earned her honors the hard way saving earth.
One thing I would find funny is Starfleet assigning 1 Inquiry-class as a "Backup" ship to any crew manning a ship of lesser firepower as a in case Starfleet needs to go "War" mode again in the next 10 years. Only thought it cause they had so many mass produced in season 1's finally & I doubt they want to keep them when returning to "Peace/Exploration" mode (Thou I don't know how big of a crew the Inquiry-class needs, it could be built like the Vengance-class from jj-Abrams Trekverse that barely needed 2 dozen)
my only criticism of the Constitution III design is that Krauss should've used a saucer design more akin to an Ambassador than that of the Constitution II. Doing so would have helped distinguish it from its Shangri La predecessor class while also leaning on the fact that the Ambassador class's design uses concentric circles in a similar manner as the Constitution I and II. It's one of the reasons I rather like the Ambassador class.
I've got a really dumb idea but hear me out. The Federation gives the name of a difference Neo Enterprise the name Defiant. It could be NCC-1764 B, DS9's ship would essentially fit the A slot. Thematically it continues the thesis of bring back TOS era ships and leaving the Dominion War behind. It is a bit on the nose though.
Why in this era of constant dangers and now a mostly explored Alpha/Beta Quadrants, a Semi explored Delta, and almost fully explored Gamma, does the Federation think that having an underpowered, exploration vessel that can't even hold up against an 80 year old Enterprise D is a good idea???? The fact that they make it the Flagship and name it the Enterprise is literally just the biggest slap in the face of logic and reason I think I've EVER SEEN.
So for phasers on the saucer we see 6 dual phaser banks and four phaser strips two port, two starboard. Total actual phasers is not 18 but visual mounts show 20 feel there should be more strips. Adding phaser banks is probably a creative choice as in voyager the ship would sometimes shooea phaser beam from the freaking aft torpedo launcher watch episode of voyager with the vadwar. Personally I'd have six phaser strips with the six dual phaser banks in the saucer, keep the two dorsal aft secondary hull banks and add two on the ventral on aft one foreword and two strips ventral flanking port and starboard one aft torpedo launcher and a two foreword one in the neck one above sensor dome
If they do make a series I hope they write that Q just changes history slightly so that the Enterprise F gets refitted and the this G gets back the Titan name and registery,
A question for everyone (followed by me droning on with my 2 cents): would you have accepted it if the film makers of Star Trek IV had used this, or something similar, for the Enterprise-A? It is completely understandable that the film makers of Star Trek IV would have used the Constitution-II model for the Enterprise-A; it very likely helped the long-time fans get past the loss of the Enterprise in STIII; it certainly did for me. However, that created a new set of issues, since the previous movies heavily suggested that the Constitution-II was no longer cutting edge, yet the Enterprise-A appeared to be a new ship, apparently built using a soon-to-be-outdated design. Personally, when I first saw the Titan-A, it seemed to be a Constitution-class ship with Excelsior-class technology (and whatever those warp nacelles were), and THAT seemed like a perfect fit for the end of Star Trek IV. IMO, the fans would likely have been perfectly happy with a new Enterprise that wasn't a clone of the previous, so long as the registry was NCC-1701-A, and so long as it was mostly Constitution-esque. If we want to come up with some lore to explain a Constitution-III, it actually makes much more sense in that era. The Excelsior NX-2000 seemed to have two purposes: First, to be a platform for Transwarp Drive (which might be a franchise game-breaker if Starfleet could simply go anywhere instantly, without drawbacks) and second, to incorporate multiple new technologies. Therefore, Excelsior had a completely new hull. Still, that left Starfleet with all of those Constitution-class hulls. IMO, a Constitution-III makes sense as a rebuild of the older ships; dispense with the requirement for Transwarp Drive, retrofit as much Excelsior-level technology as the smaller hulls can hold, and Starfleet becomes much more formidable in a short time. In principle, the same shipyards and facilities used for then-existing Constitution-class ships would readily adapt. Or... I'm wrong. What do you think? EDIT: I have to admit, I do love the massive Impulse Engines.
It's ok. It's a glorified kit bash based on nostalgic fan service. I do not feel it's a suitable ship to be re-christened as the Enterprise-G. But let's face it, Picard season three was coasting on nostalgia.
which isn't bad. That's all that Picard fans had been asking for since it was first announced. Get the old crew back together, have updated adventures. Maybe pass the torch to a Next Generation, and be done with it.
@@Kainis80 No, it's not bad. I enjoyed the nostalgic moments. However, the overall writing was pretty weak and without the nostalgia I don't think it would have done much better than the previous seasons. You certainly can't count on nostalgia with a new crew. You need solid writing. Something I feel has been missing from Trek for about 15 years. But that is another argument.
@@josephmassaro I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you there. There were a number of pockets where the writing was piss poor tumblr fan fic, at best. Hopefully crap like that can be remedied with this writer's strike. However, all the fans had hoped for since the first announcement of Picard, was nostalgia. Get back to childhoods (for many, or younger adulthoods for others) when possibilities were more endless. When there was still hope. Not like it had been in New Trek up until then, where you have mostly kids flying around in state of the art WMD's with serious psychological issues in every single episode.
RE: Rebooting the Constitution-class; Full disclosure, I did not watch Picard S03 and have no plans to do so. With that being said, I'm also underwhelmed by the Concept of trying to gin up more Sentimentality for that series (In Total) by suggesting that a return to form from 200 years prior to the events of the Picard series represents growth or development. Sure, the Federation and Starfleet both are also capable of being sentimental, and there's much by way of canonical material to prove it. But it's a Ship of Theseus thing, pal. The Federation and Starfleet both have been replacing their *own* planks for such a long time, even completely disregarding them when they identify and remove something which has become rotten by virtue of proximity to something else which started out rotten. The result is that those planks which *must needs be present* are no longer there, and thus it is no longer the Ship of Theseus, even if we squint a little. The Ship of Theseus that is Star Trek floats upon a sea of Disbelief, which keeps it suspended. They've managed to drain that ocean of goodwill.
The Titan busted it's ass. It was nice to have something NEW along side the celebration of TNG. It earned respect for the name. Tossing that in the trash just for nostalgia felt really bad. But what's really galling: I'm JUST realizing now why the gorgeous Odyssey-class Enterprise-F got an "early retirement" -- it was just so we could have this dumb-ass name change in the finale. That's more than a little bit infuriating. :P
Wait, so you're telling me that the Titan A was donated components and equipment from the original Lunda Titan, and they renamed it to the Enterprise G? I never much liked the change myself always thinking the USS Generations, Picard or maybe Legacy could have been a better him age name, but now knowing the fact that this ship literally was the Luna Titan which donated stuff to make the better Neo Connie class (not necessarily better looking but more powerful) and they went and renamed it, kinda makes it even worse... Like the poor Luna Titan got so disrespected by that one single action...
I have to say I am one of the few disappointed that the Enterprise-G is the renamed Titan, yeah I know its not unheard of in trek canon, I know that the Yorktown was renamed to the Enterprise-A but I dont know I find the Neo Connie's design kinda frustrating and inconsistent and some of them even show in the video, I can share more if interested but I dont want to fill your comments with TL;DR.
They should’ve named this ship the USS Jean Luc Picard. That was the original plan for the show.Starfleet would not be stepping backwards in lineage and design, and Enteprises have always been cutting edge, state of the art ships.
'very high impulse speeds'...surely this would be detrimental due to time dilation as you get to significant percentages closer to C (speed of light), it would end up jumping days/months into the relative future everytime it did so
Low key upset it's the next enterprise. I really liked the ship, but it seemed more like a scout/utility ship than a flagship. Also: Give me a series following NCC-2000-A! Let Sulu get his 'ancient man' cameo in a ship inspection!
She was heavily armed. Having that many phaser banks which were the same rank as the inquiry class. And she carried the new advanced torpedoes. She was able to deal a severe amount of damage if need be.
The biggest disrespect to that fictional crew, and the fans is renaming her the enterprise G.. The season was generally terrible, and very mindless.. And then to just take away, everything that ship accomplished the entire season by renaming her is repulsive.. They couldn’t build a new ship and call her the enterprise? And they couldn’t even respect the ship by letting her keep the name titan.
I don't particularly have an opinion about the Titan-A/Enterprise-G naming thing, but I like this ship as a hero ship rather than it being the biggest baddest ship in the galaxy like the last few Enterprises. Kinda puts me in mind of the TOS movies or BSG where the hero ship is past its prime but they find a way. I know Enterprise-G is NOT past its prime, but it not being the strongest ship in the fleet makes the stakes more interesting. I really hope we get a new show out of Enterprise-G and its crew. I am a little sad that this effectively makes Enterprise-F and the Odyssey class a lost era, because I do adore that design, but yeah. Odyssey-class just doesn't make for a good hero ship.
Just an idea, might not be the best one. For fixing the Titan-A Enterprise-G legacy problem. They can still have the whole scene with jack and the Picard family on the shuttle and then eventually showing the Titan-B, being a newest top of the line vessel (perhaps another Odyssey class?) and Picard goes “ah of course, the new Titan!” And then the shuttle go past the Titan-B, showing the neo Connie enterprise G, then most of the scene can be kept as is, while also kind of honouring the legacy of the Titan
Kinda hate how this class is supposed to be top of starfleet's conventional warp that we've seen yet it lacks the sleek curves that a lot of other high maximum warp ships (Voyager, the Protostar, Dauntless NCC-80816...) have. And I'm not passing judgement on this, but I just think it's kind of funny that the next Enterprise is only a swimming pool longer than a California Class.
I remember way back in the ships of the line Calendars there was concept art for a sovereign class era Light cruiser that was a constitution class…. Almost the same size of a movie era Constitution because of its modernized technology its crew compliment was smaller allowing for more generous “hotel” spaces. Often “captained” by officers of both commander ranks due to its diminished status in current fleet arrangements its bridge layout of a modern copy of the TOS layout. Even its command structure was duplicated with the XO also being the department head of the department most specific to the ship’s current mission and with security and engineering often being a combined department
Biggest disappointment for me is that they called it the Enterprise-G instead of something like the U.S.S. Picard. In my opinion calling it the G is almost a downgrade since it is smaller and less powerful than the oddy.
@@kanaric The E wasn't bigger than the D but is was more powerful. With successors there should be some sort of progression. In the terms of the G here it's weapons aren't as good as the F's nor was it faster or larger or anything of the sort. In all ways it's a downgrade. Hence why calling it the Picard or even leaving it as the Titan would be better than calling it the G.
Renaming the Titan to Enterprise was too much fanfare, but at this point it is what it is. As for the ship's aesthetics...it's a decent enough design, although the proportions are off. It looks like the saucer is too large for the secondary hull. The sharp edges of the saucer look at odds with the curved lines of the secondary hull. Also, the stepped design of the nacelles toward the rear make them too thin.
Question for everyone, even though this isn't really the thread for it: would you have been happy if, instead of renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G, the show makers simply would have upgraded the Enterprise-D with the latest technology, and sent her out for another 15 to 25 years?
I like to imagine that the Connie 3 was called the USS Titan because, as well as reusing parts from the Luna class, they just so happened to reuse the placards and forgot to wipe the memory on the reused computers.
I feel like there is a lot of nostalgia stuff going on in Trek rather then a major push forwards into new bright and hopeful futures. Why remake the old when you can just make a bright and shiny new? I guess?
It is nostalgia. Think about it is for both fans and in universe. The federation were yearning for the golden days. Without harkening back to just before the dominion war but a era looked at as growth for them the 23rd Century. Remember the 24 Century saw conflicts with the Fergani, Cardassians, Borg and major war with the Dominion. So what era do you go with the 23rd. What class of ship was in the forefront of that era the Constitution. As the flag was a Constitution. It works for in universe reasonings. As well as for fans of the franchise as well.
Well taking all into consideration, it's rather symbolic, we began with Enterprise Constitution-class and ended with one, that's the mark of the new beginning I hope for Trek-world, to get back to all we know and love, to watch and see exploring the final frontier and the voyages of a starship Enterprise, it's continuing mission to explore strange new worlds to seek out new life and civilisations and boldly go, where no one have gone before ( I want to see more then our new Enterprise, but I really wanted to use that line)... also Seven is a captain of an Enterprise, from borg drone, to the captain of Federation flagship (not sure if G is one, but you get it)
The only thing I have against the Enterprise G is that it stole the spotlight from the Titan's legacy, they should have either refitted the F into the Yorktown refit or built another Constitution III class.
indeed
I agree.
It's weird, Starfleet follows a lot of naval traditions. But historically, renaming a ship was seen as bad luck.
I'm guessing 23rd/24th century humans feel they have "evolved" beyond fear of that superstition.
I agree, I heard rumors it might have been renamed as the USS Picard, I think that would had been better than making it the Enterprise, as a reward for it's actual success.
well its bacly like a updated verson of a older class but then overhauled with up to date or cuting edge tech put into it. like how the us navy in real life have allways retro fited the same world war to to cold war battleships,crusers, aircraft carrers, and distroyers. its far more easy to just buld and upgrade a allready proven ship class engeard hull achertpye with modern or cuting edge tech then it is to make a new ship class arctrtpye disine form the whole ground up.
I rolled my eyes on this. In otherwise banger season they had to rename the Titan the sheer disrespect to Shaw and the crew that died trying to save the day. The Titan it is the Titan it will always be to me.
The Enterprise G twist at the end was the only thing that was really disappointing for me with S3.
Yeah that was pretty garbage.
Pure and simple, it was a very bad idea...
yeah right. the enterprise always has to be the top of the line and biggest starship to date. There are only two enterprises left until the Enterprise J. I want a series with her!!
@@pillepolle3122 They said the H will be The SS Minot.
yea, that reveal to me felt like when rey said shes Rey skywalker. its like they think renaming the ship to be enterprise will give it more meaning somehow, but instead it just felt off and wrong.
In the TNG era, the Enterprise has always been the flagship and was always a cutting edge, most technologically-advanced ship... D was a Galaxy class, E was Sovereign class, and F was Odyssey/Yorktown class. It seems like a radical departure and a step back to make the next Enterprise the "Neo-Constitution" class. Also, why not just keep the Titan name? The decision to rename the Titan-A the Enterprise-F seemed poorly thought out.
They were always called the flagship, but were almost never seen carrying an Admiral which is typical of a flagship. Always made me think the title was more ceremonial because of the history behind the name, and not because they carried a fleet Admiral.
Jesus Christ did it seem shoehorned and I guess fuck the legacy of all the crew that sacrificed themselves under the Titan A. I had no doubt that a year later we were going to discover that The Enterprise F had been destroyed in the Borg incident and that a refit Enterprise D was recommissioned. There was no reason that Seven couldn't have been the captain and the bulk of the Titan A crew transferred with her. But nope. Weird rename of a mid level ship.
I agree. It was rather bad nostalgia trip then well thought decision.
There's nothing in canon implying that the 1701-E or the 1701-F was the fleet flagship. The only ones confirmed in canon to be flagships were the original 1701 and the 1701-D.
Renaming ships is also bad luck after they are built....godspeed to the crews of the san palo/defiant and the Titan-a/Enterprise G
I feel like renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G diminishes the legacies of both the Titan and the Enterprise. The Titan earned its right to have a legacy, but they took it away. The Enterprise's legacy apparently isn't strong enough to warrant a new ship, it has to get another ship's leftovers. I bothers me.
It almost sound like unintended meta commentary 🤔
Kirk saved the Planet and got another ship's "Leftlovers" the Enterprise-A was the Yorktown.
@@TheRezro more like ego driven decisions
@@jokerz7936 which was still the state of the art ship when it was commissioned.
@@sardonicspartan9343 So was the Enterprise in 2271 arguably the most advance ship at that moment in the fleet. But she was still a 26-year-old refit also at the time. The Enterprise-G using older parts doesn't also mean she's not a State-of-the-Art vessel.
That ship does not appear to be as large onscreen as they say it is. Doesn't look much bigger than an Excelsior class, particularly when you see the Titan next to the D.
An excelsior is 511 meters. So you are right.. it doesn't look much bigger... because it's not... just over 40 meters longer. The on screen scale is absolutely correct.
100% agree. Also the warp nacelles look disproportionate to the rest of the ship.
I think people forget how absurdly big thr D is width wise, especially as when we see that side by side shot of the Titan and the D next to each other we get to see the Titan ain't too much smaller, with it beinf barely shorter height wise and about a 3rd the width maybe half at a push.
I even had one person in a comment section once trying to say it was the same size as the original Connie, even though we literally see the new jersey and the Enterprise A inside their rings as much smaller than the rings and the Titan way bigger than the ring.
One of big flaws of Picard series is the scaling issue. Most people agree that Inquiry should be version of Avenger and so this ship also mid-size unit.
@@backtoearth1983 Egh? What? Excelsior was always a medium size ship. It is just long and thin, with unusual 1/3 proportion. Neo-Conie has 1/2, what make it way larger then excelsior. In Trek ships of same length, can have radically different sizes. For example Galaxy has proportions 2/3 and on top of that wider saucer. So it was massive! Sovereign was in fact smaller, despite greater length.
I don't hate this class but it feels like such a regression, both technologically and aesthetically, and it seemed to me uncessary to decomission the Luna class when there's STILL Excelsior's flying around- but to take away The Titan's legacy and rename it Enterprise feels like such a huge error, and deeply disrespectful considering how rare legacy registries were in this era. The Neo-Con feels like a HUGE step down from the Oddysey for a legacy flagship, ESPECIALLY when the F was being decomissioned EARLY. As an ending, it left a very sour taste in my mouth.
The Excelsiors are a new class essentially using its elders design lineage with strictly 25th century tech. Kinda like IRL Super Hornet aircraft.
The F was afaik only being decommissioned due to multiple systems failures. Don't know why Starfleet couldn't just strip her down to her skeleton and rebuild her, replacing the failing systems and upgrading her at the same time
this class makes sense as they want to do a soft reboot of the federation war vessels. also its the result of ship building yard being destroyed. i think this make up for the reasoning
Is it possible that the Excelsiors are actually early to mid 24th century hulls that have been gutted out and rebuilt internally with 25 th century technology such the IRL B52 bombers that will get cutting edge new engines. New Radars. New glass cockpit displays. And new EW suite in a 1962 airframe.
Yeah, I don't get it either. We've got Excelsiors and Mirandas running around for more than a century, but mid 24th century ships like the Galaxy, Luna and Intrepid are being decommissioned after a few decades.
Sad thing is, that end shot with the Galaxy class Ent-D next to the Connie Mk.III Titan-A, just shows off how much more futuristic and powerful the Galaxy class looks. The Neo Connie really does come off as a huge regression.
Not to mention, this entire season demonstrated how wildly outclassed the Titan is...
@@csigunner5087 To be fair, it spent most of the season up against a massively overpowered alien ship armed with all sorts of unorthodox weapons and defenses no one had seen before, that probably would have easily given trouble to larger ships like Sovereigns and Odyssey's too. After that it basically had to last as long as it could versus the ENTIRE Starfleet armada.
I think it managed pretty well given the circumstances.
Truth! The Ent-D still looks impressive. The Titan/Ent-G looks like Starfleet's budget got cut.
@@Kiyosuki until the Shrike wasn't needed anymore and poof...destroyed. the fact is they drooped the ball on this.
@@sardonicspartan9343 I'm not really sure what that has to do with how strong the Titan-A was but sure.
I liked the season overall but like other comments on here renaming the Titan A as the Enterprise G didnt sit well with me. Definitley a step down from the Odyssey class F that could have been fixed and refitted. Seems strange to show the F in Picard season 3 just to decomission it early. That didn't sit well with me either, but it was cool to finally see it on screen in canon.
Your explanation for why they termed it a refit finally made that make sense to me. Thank you!
Mostly. Or as much as is possible for this convoluted backstory.
I really don't envy TH-cam channels like yours that have to explain these new ship classes...
I loved the Luna class! The mission pod gave it the capability of becoming a battle-ship or scout-ship within a couple days notice. I feel Starfleet should have stuck to multi-role modifications on its ships, instead of designing them for singular purposes. 😒
I still do not like how they killed off Captain Shaw & the Vulcan character
Says a lot about the Vulcan character when you don’t even know their name. They were pretty much disposable. And captain Shaw was likable but very low brow and kind of a doofus. They’re essentially missing the whole point of Star Trek. It’s no longer about exploration or trekking or becoming better.. It’s about referring to themselves as. D**s**ts. It’s generally unwatchable and won’t be remembered in five years. Time was where someone would guest star on an episode and you could still remember their name 30 years later.. But now, people that you see on the shows multiple episodes don’t even leave an impression. Besides Laforge’s daughter, name any other bridge member on the Titan
One of the continual issues the Picard series had was that no one on the writing staff knows what "refit" means. The called the Sagan-class Stargazer a refit...of what? The Constellation-class version is in the Fleet Museum. Did they take NCC-1777 for the frame of the Titan-A? That would make it a refit, I suppose, but they'd have had to upscale it quite a bit.
In my perfect world, they would have just fixed up and recommissioned the Enterprise-D and turned her loose again. ^__^
Agreed. The only excuse I can think of is there was a general order not to build new ships. So they were slapping a few old parts on brand new craft and calling them refits to get around the supposed restriction on building.
Missed opportunity for a name of the other Connies to be its class name. Also TOS Connie is block 1, Phase 2 is block 2 and TMP refit is block 3.
Irrelevant as phase 2 is not canon
Not anymore. Canon is TOS was Mk I, TMP Mk II, STP Mk III
@@backtoearth1983 Because people ignore Discovery, it doesn't mean it isn't. It literally is Phase 2 design.
I can‘t bring myself to think the Neo-Constitution class as as a mark 3 (or block 3) of the original Constitution class. In my opinion that would imply that the Neo-Constitution is a modified version of the original class, which I doubt. There has been too much of a history with designing new classes from scratch to implement new technologies and changes in doctrine in late TNG-era to believe Starfleet would bother to keep updating a design that they hadn‘t been using prominently for many decades.
I prefer to think of the term „Neo-Constitution“-Class as a nod to famous design from the past, or maybe it started out as a nickname due to the visual similarity that eventually stuck abd became official.
@@MrAranton you would be correct, though. It technically isn’t the Mk III but rather properly Constitution III.
Though there are underside phaser on the saucer, I noticed no phaser turrets on the bottom of the secondary fuselage. That's not good, they could at least put one on the bottom of the shuttle bay area
I hate that they renamed the Titan to Enterprise-G.
why
Don't they know it is terrible luck to rename a ship?
@@backtoearth1983 Because of the sacrifices the crew made? Titan had a legacy before and build on that. And how is it honored? By taking away the name?
It's a slap in the face to the Titan and it's Legacy to have them rename it Enterprise. The Building of an Enterprise shouldn't be a simple matter of ok we'll just take this ship and rename it Enterprise. Even if that's what they did to The Yorktown and Renamed it The Enterprise A (not 100% sure in that) it is still different in that The Yorktown was in Space dock undergoing a major redesign. Even so I would rather them just build a new ship than rename an old ship Enterprise. And yeah... Frightfully bad luck.
Even the type of ship doesn’t match the entire point and usage of the Enterprise. The enterprise whether people like it or not was repeatedly shown, stated, and made into the flagship of the federation. She is the ship every enemy wants to get their hands on, and is the ship who takes command of all other vessels in a serious situation. Hell the F and her lineage were the centerpiece of frontier day. Downgrading the enterprise to lesser ship then the F, while throwing away the Titan-A was probably one of the dumbest in and out of universe decisions I’ve even seen.
"A warship rocking up in orbit to negotiate with them upon first contact" 😂
Inquiry class: "GIVE RESOURCES! 😠"
Enterprise G should have been a Ross class. It best exemplifies the traditional Enterprise layout and looks less warship and more like a true explorer.
Yeah, Matalas really bungled this choice. I heard someone else mentioning that Matalas had no interest in the F, which is why she was decommissioned, but considering that Season 3 was designed for the fans, one would think that Matalas would have set aside his ambivalence to the ship after hearing fan appreciation for it! Justice for the F!
Introducing the F was bait for STO players, and the Titan-A/Ent-G is a big vanity project cause the staff preferred 23rd century designs. Change my mind.
Terry wanted a retro ship that looked like the Shangri-La. He or one of the writers wanted a joke about Shaw deleting Riker's jazz collection. Someone said "just call it a refit, no one will care." Except they should know (and the MCU has conclusively proven) that we do care about little things like continuity.
the phaser strips could be classed as it's primary weapons system for heavy hitting, while the phaser turrets are for point defense against small agile ships which seem more common in that era or shooting down incoming torpedoes and making the ship looking less of a combat vessel but still well armed
I'd probably reverse that assessment. Iirc, phaser strips are comprised of lots of little emitter things working together, which means smaller moving parts (if there even are any moving parts). The turrets, meanwhile, would have to move their much larger mass for each new target. Plus, strips were designed to increase the arcs of fire a ship could achieve, as the beam could originate from any point along their length.
I'd instead make the turrets as powerful as possible for use as the main phaser armament, and use the strips to cover awkward angles and point-defence with their (presumably higher) speed of acquisition and greater firing arc.
@@irregularassassin6380 agreed
@@kaitlyn__L Oh hello again! Good to see you after so long. I've not been hanging around the comment section for a while.
We’ve seen the Galaxy phaser strips be deadly accurate against small craft but have to rely on torpedos to put in major damage against heavier vessels.
Conversely, Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness have shown us just how devastating the turrets can be to larger cruisers and Beyond establishes how ineffective they were against the Altamid swarms of small craft.
So yeah I’d say the opposite way around.
@@irregularassassin6380 like how Defiant had the phaser cannons which only faced forwards and were it's heavy hitters then other smaller phasers for point defense.
I do think it used a Connie II frame, you can see the saucer is built out wider, as is the secondary hull, to make more room etc. Shaw pushed the limits and shaved around corners where he could to fit things in, as he was an engineer besides a captain (you can see how proud he was to have Commodore LaForge see his 'baby'.
Sour grapes aside: terrific video! You did a great job explaining the level of plot gymnastics they had to go through to excuse replacing the state of the art Odyssey with THIS jalopy! 😁
It is highly maneuverable...but have you seen what a galaxy class can do?
Handbrake turns inside a Borg cube?
Sure, if you leave all the civilians and the bulk of the crew at home...
@@philcorrigan5641 That wasn't a standard borg cube. This behemoth was about eight cubes wide in every direction.
@@Timberwolf69 It's internal volume was the same as 1100 standard cubes. Dave Blass did the math.
The galaxy class was great in Picard and all those star wars movies.
The nacelles are too busy for my taste. And while not bad looking, it doesn't hold a candle to the mark 2.
What gets to me so much about the "let's move past our militaristic phase of Starfleet" with the deliberate callback to the Connie is that the show already had a ship that could absolutely fill this vacuum: it's called the Sagan-class.
While the Sagan's design is incredibly striking and a wonderful update to both the original U.S.S. Stargazer and the ship seen in STO, it's smaller and more exploratory like the Connie III instead of having the sheer scale and power of the Oddysey-class. Instead of being the all-arounder that engages in large conflicts and being provocative in its presence like the Enterprise-F would likely be, the new Stargazer could fill that niche of being the ship that does a lot of the first contact work that exemplifies the primary values of the Federation. The Odyssey can be the poster child for all the innovations and beauty that the UFP champions, but the smaller and more subtle yet gorgeous Sagan-class could be out on the frontier to hearken back to their exploratory roots while not being as pompous as the Galaxy, Sovereign, or Odyssey. Even the naming convention of pushing out to the unknown and reaching others across the cosmos is exemplified by naming the ship after Carl Sagan.
It's all right there and the in-universe explanation can make just as much if not more sense for the Sagan-class (as long as it doesn't become the new flagship because that still doesn't make sense no matter which way you slice it). But instead, we get a new Enterprise that - with all due respect to those who love it - feels like a mishmash of ideas and other better ships in a way that sidelines the Stargazer, the original Luna-class Titan, and of course the Enterprise-F.
But hey, at least they didn't use the Sagan in S3 so I have this idea all to myself in STO 😁
I’ve been saying similar things for months. The Stargazer should’ve remained the hero ship for Season 3. It’s my favorite 24th century Starfleet ship design besides the redesigned Inquiry.
I like the Titan-A but I have always felt we Trekkie fans got cheated when they re-christened the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G. We should have gotten a completely new ship instead of just a re-christened one.
I wouldn't have minded if they reinstated the D tbh. Use that year jump to refit it back into service.
@@GoodOldGamer honestly, that would have been the perfect opportunity for the All good things refit to come into fruition AND make it's series finale appearance again.
@@WuSEification Heck yeah! Pop on that third nacelle, and the phaser cannon, and promote Riker to Admiral and give it to him, lol.
@@GoodOldGamer tbh, let everyone retire. Let the Galaxy-X come into service, and continue the next series with the Titan A. It feels like such a missed opportunity to have a new hero ship name.
@@WuSEification They threw in as many memberberries as possible, yet ignoring there were other hero ships in ST. Voyager, Defiant. Not every ST show has to have an Enterprise.
I've been watching all the old Star Trek shows with my wife for the last year or so. I'm looking forward to finally getting to Picard sometime not too far from now lol. Thank you for the interesting video!
God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
Should have kept the Titan, Titan. Given the fan service they already provided they should have taken the D, added the spinal lance, an extra nacelle and refit it as the Enterprise G as part of a new generation of Picard Class ships.
I agree 100%!
So many creative ways to have gone besides “and also F the Titan in this ‘member berry salad”
Nah, I severely disagree with the idea of refitting the D... Don't get me wrong, I don't like the renaming of thr Titan, but the D is weaker than the Titan is, and the Titan is one of the weakest ships in the fleet currently. There are a multitude of alternative ships that are much stronger and more capable of the name of Enterprise G that the D, that and we do my just got her back, and I really really do not want to see her both get unglied up by new tech and also destroyed in some random battle in the future.
@@mastere6115 up until now the D was thought to have lost its drive section and the saucer was abandoned half destroyed out there stripped of its technology due to one battle with an outdated Klingon ship. All I’m suggesting is we get the Enterprise we saw in All good things, also at a close enough date that would make some sense in the timelines.
That would have been such a great ending. It would have made the All good things ending come full circle.
I'll stick to the Exeter Class. That's the real Constitution MK III
Starfleet coming out of the Dominion War and the Borg threat being minimal, Starfleet wanted to get back to more exploration starships. It appears that the destruction of Utopia Planetia created problems with building larger starships. Apparently, much of the hull and systems were stripped off the Luna class Titan.
I believe the G was originally supposed to become the USS Picard and they changed it for some reason. Having 2 enterprises in operation under the federation doesnt make much sense, given that the F is still fully operational anyway
That was one of the proposed names, but someone pushed for G.
And the F was actually due for early retirement in a blink-and-miss it moment in one of the earlier episodes when the spy-lady Raffi I think her name was, was flipping through news articles.
The F was getting decommissioned
Just think about this, did the J look or seem ready to decommission over the Titan? What a thrown together decision.
@@lbz1983 whilst true, it still was left perfect fine by the end of the battle and barely unscathed, it isn't called a dreadnought for no reason, that thing is an absurd beast. So they could have easily brought it out of retirement again.
Great video, and I like the explanation that the Starfleet was reusing decommissioned fleets as a stop gap until a replacement for Utopia Planetia could be brought up to speed. It's very Starfleet, much like how the Excelsior class was kept in rotation and updated instead of a whole new class being built to replace it.
It never occurred me that this ship was so much bigger than the TOS Constitution. I'm glad it's bigger.
that's what she said?
@@Aragorn7884 Actually she said is that it?🤓😂
It's ALMOST as long as a Galaxy-class, though obviously with considerably less mass.
It's *NOT* though, that's the thing. The 560 meter figure is one thrown out after the fact to try and make it more palatable when the details carried from the constitution linage are *very* specific in sizing that saucer to exactly the same size as a constitution refit's saucer. The saucer rim windows are of a design of a known size, and positioned at the exact same positions they would be on a constitution sized ship, the bridge dome is the *exact* size that a slightly bigger bridge would be on a constitution sized ship, the phaser banks are the right size to match a constitution sized ship, the windows are either grossly oversized and floor to ceiling (which we know they're not from internal shots) or the ship is constitution sized. Then we've got details on the underside of the saucer, like the array of windows on the underside which are common to that style of saucer that we have an exact reference to the size and shape of (which again, would be wildly out of size and shape if she's 560 meters), sheer deck counting from the rows of windows, and a myriad of other cues.
One can just look at an Excelsior to actually see what a ship that is actually in the 500 meter range should look like because that was actually designed with that proportionate size in mind, and the details are scaled appropriately to convey that. Then compare how that ship looks to how an original constitution refit looks and how the neo-constitution looks. It's the exact same level of bald-faced lying to our faces as trying to claim the SNW constitution will somehow shrink into the TOS connie. That's not how it works.
@@defies4626 Atleast someone gets it...
This ship looks like it has rheumatoid arthritis and I can't unsee it.
Huh
@@UwU-pk6nv You're on the Internet. Look it up.
Unless this is a really long-lived class, like the Excelsior, this will cause problems for the writers in keeping the Enterprise-J as a mid-26th-century ship, as Daniels showed Archer in Enterprise. If the Enterprise-G is around at the turn of the 25th century, then it and the Ent-H and Ent-I have to last an average of 50 years each in order to keep things consistent with Star Trek Enterprise's glimpse of the 26th century.
I love everything about this ship except the Enterprise-G thing. Its a great ship, its maybe the best looking ship to come out of star trek in a long time. It also being the one of the two ships that saved the federation has an emotional argument to make an exception and name it enterprise. I still just feel like in an era where the Odyssey exists this is too small and undergunned to carry the name Enterprise.
Seeing as the Excelsior II was supposed to be 588m having this ship be 560m means the saucer is ginormous, as is the bridge dome area. Seems to work better if it was smaller.
I was fine with this vessel until the writers renamed her Enterprise!😢😮😂
I figure since they were about to retire the Enterprise-F...Star fleet already had the Enterprise-G ready to go...or would shortly. To re-name the Titan-A, Enterprise-G...was indeed a slap to the Titan-A and to the Enterprise-G. Re-naming a ship is something you do when you're trying to hide it...legally or illegally...Or because you're Ashamed of it.
1."Wow! What ship was single handedly battling the entire star fleet during the Borg incursion?" asks a young ensign...who was probably a Borg during this event.
2. "That was the starship Titan-A." they received as an answer.
1. "Great...I'd like to see this kick ass ship who took on the entire fleet by its self. Where is it?"
2. "Oh, almost immediately afterward, Star Fleet re-named it Enterprise-G."
1. "But...why? Most people won't know that this ship is really the fierce Titan-A!"
2. "Yeah...I know..but what can I tell you? You should ask Star Fleet...because no one can make sense of it."
...................And that how little sense it makes to most true Trekkies.
The show made the Titan A move like a Galaxy Class ship and the Enterprise D move like a Neo Con class ship lol
First they gives us a retro fit from the o g titan, than they slap Enterprise -g on this c-tier ship. It's like putting a spoiler on a pinto.
It’s really like waiting on a 23/24 STI and getting that years WRX. Then they just call it and STI anyway…in automatic with electronic breaking.
😂😂😂💯
The design of the Constitution III class makes quite a lot of sense in that advances in technology made the more massive Excelsior class, Galaxy Class, and Sovereign class ships no longer practical, as those classes were designed to take on threats like The Borg and The Dominion. This forced Starfleet to go back to the classic Constitution class design, which has greater mission flexibility and adaptability.
I have to say, Season 3 was the first Star Trek I have really enjoyed since the 3rd and 4th Seasons of Enterprise. They really did a bang-up job. I hope to see a new series with Seven of Nine and Raffi on the Enterprise-G. They managed to redeem all the characters and made me feel hopeful and adventurous by the end. With that tone, they will do better than even Strange New Worlds.
I always thought the Enterprise should be one of the larger flagships - not a new type of pip squeak!
FYI, the subtitles seem to be a bit messed up. The full text of the subtitles for the full video appear in the first few seconds, and then the rest of the video is _de facto_ without subtitles. I've seen this on some other videos from other channels, which makes me suspect that this might be a bug in TH-cam's system. In any case, I thought you would like to know about this issue
I absolutely love the Shangri-La, definitely my favorite starship design of all time, and I really like the Connie III. I do admittedly call it the Shangri-La II at times. Still a really pretty design, very glad it exists
I like this ship just fine, and have no problem with the idea of them revisiting old aesthetics. Also I think it's very nice that they used a fan design as the basis. But that said, I'm kind of frustrated that they didn't just use the existing Luna class Titan. Picard season 3 was, on the whole, a TNG era nostalgia fest... And the original Titan actually looks like a ship from that era. Why harken to the TOS movie era? And why do that at the expense of making confusing mincemeat out of the concept of a "refit"? The whole thing just reeks of someone in charge of the show shoehorning in a ship design they liked after the show had already been written.
I dunno. I hate sounding negative about it. It's a nice ship. I just don't think it was the right ship for this show.
Agreed. It was exciting to see the D making a come back after all these years. Yet, it was confusing when they switched from showing the D then the Fleet in attack formation. With the D looking so much newer.
The old aesthetics took effort. Numerous concepts suggested, culled, refined. Models built. Rebuilt. The final product was shaped by limited time and money and practical filming concerns. They made the ship into a _character_ for the show.
The new aesthetics are just copypasta multiplications. It shows in the shows.
Using the Luna would require paying its designer properly so they made something craper with mute echoes of it. Its called the Russel T Davies technique.
@@DarthAzabrush so they didn't have to pay Bill Krause for the Shangri-La class? And they didn't have to pay cg artists to update the design? Not sure the financials really tell the whole story here.
@@adamlytle2615 Krause was already on staff. The Titan's designer wasn't and indeed was a fan who won a contest rather than a professional which pulls up the whole Union angle.
I like this ship a LOT! I just have a hard time accepting it as a successor to the Odyssey class.
i cant see it being a successor to the Odyssey if in a fight it would destroy the Enterprise G
OK so here's a thought. We are also talking about having two shows running basically at the same time both of them centered around the enterprise and both of them are constitution class. I'm not sure if that's such a good thing at this time I think they should have left it as the Titan A. However if done right they might be able to do some good storytelling. I look forward to seeing what they could do. I do firmly believe that seven of nine deserves that captain's chair. And I would absolutely love to see that story.
I wonder if the Neo-Constitution-class will lead to a Neo-Miranda, Neo-Saladin, and so on. Possibly a Neo-Shangri-La that happens to have the actual lines and shape of the Constitution refit because that would be hilarious.
we already see many 25th century ship in STO just a redress of older classes so I imagine that's probably the route we are going.
It's ugly, and looks like a massive step down from the Sovereign class and the other ships from First Contact. The nacelles in particular are huge/bulky/blocky
this does not look like it follows Trek design lineage.
I can fully except that the connie 3 is the new Enterprise if it is the Enterprise B (yes... before excelsior, ambassador, galaxy, sovereign, and odyssey exist) 🤣
In my opinion, if Starfleet wanted to go back to a more exploratory design, it would have made a bit more sense, if they had gone with a more Galaxy-class like design.
Going back to a TOS era looking sauce-section, still makes no sense to me.
Let's face it, there is only the out of universe explanation: it's an attempt of appealing to nostalgia.º
could also be an in-universe nostalgia. A call back to a golden age of exploration and discovery before the borg and the dominion war, back when the federation felt confident in itself
@@Exospray So far the best point in favour of the design, I've heard. 🤷♂
It is like when new cars are based on old car designs. They are newer designs based off nostalgia. It is all about the nostalgia that exploration they were craving. Going back to the stars like the old days. The federation yearned for those golden days. So it harkens back to those days bringing the old Constitution Class back. Its old design mixed with new design elements. It makes sense in a post war era limited resources way of thinking. Bring back a classic to inspire the cadets and populace that they were going back to a golden age.
@@christophvogel1080 and it's the one that makes the most sense, the Federation for almost a century have been in one war after another, and the Kirk era was probably the least hostile time period of them all (that we as an audience have actually seen) so it is an obvious choice to go back to the old roots when they want to step away from the battle ships and dreadnoughts (looking at the F for thr that one) which all are absurdly powerful but do not shine much for the ideal of exploration. Though they better bring the damn carpet back, or at least brighten the ships, as it ain't a strip club...
@@mastere6115 If being in a cold war with the Klingons for most of it, counts as the least hostile...
Just feels weird, to go back to that TOS saucer design after moving away from it, mostly (except for workhorses like the Miranda class) to the smoother lines of the Galaxy class and later the sleek design of the Sovereign, Luna, etc. classes.
Don't get me wrong, the TOS designs are classic, but I guess I simply prefer the sleeker lines of the later ships.
Starfleet dialing back it's "aggression" is why the Titan-A was unprepared for the Shrike. Only 2 torpedo launchers?!
I like this design. I don’t love it, I don’t hate it. I simply think it’s alright and nondescript enough to fit into the fleet yet still nice to look at
Could this be a ship made for Pilot Specialists? It would be nice to have a fancy Pilot Cruiser!
Unfortunately she's a Miracle Worker.
*looks at the thumbnail*
Yes, that is the correct designation for that vessel.
What do you think of the theory that the Neo-Connie is an original Shangri-La chassis with Luna guts? As in, because of the loss of Utopia Planitia (meaning no/few truly "new" ships being built) and the Luna Titan presumably taking too much battle damage under Riker to be reasonably repaired, they took everything salvageable from it and retrofitted it all into a mothballed chassis they had laying around? It's the best theory I've heard yet for the retro styling of the ship and certainly seems more plausible than the "Starfleet's feeling nostalgic" one in your video.
I think it’s a logic pretzel that seems needless. Nostalgia for propaganda purposes (looking like Star Fleet’s “golden age”) happens in the real world too and does make sense.
I suggest a petition to have the next ship in the class named USS Shaw.
Good Idea. But make it a Stashwick Class like they did with the USS Nog.
I love the original TMP design. The scale of this thing is just ridiculous, the docking collars are so huge. lol
The Titan A, being a science primary vessel, makes sense it would reuse so many older parts as it's not a front line starship but more of a fleet complimentary vessel.
Literally dismantling the Titan so they could use its parts to build the Titan-A has to be the most "Ship of Theseus" thing I've ever heard
That's given me an idea for a scenario: The USS Theseus NCC-001was commissioned in 2161 and true to its name has been constantly retrofitted and had its parts transferred between frames for over 200 years as the ultimate experiment in ship evolution, and will only be re-registered if it gets destroyed outright.
I forgot what they called the class but there already was a Constitution Class variant in Starfleet as we saw the wreckage of one after the Battle of Wolf 359 as the class was built in the same style as Kirk's ship the only difference was the position of the warp nacelles as they were lying sideways on the pylons.
I really hope we see the Connie 3 in STO in the near future. I just wish they had built a new Connie 3 and christened it Enterprise G instead of making the Titan the new Enterprise. It's like they were over writing the Titans legacy. She earned her honors the hard way saving earth.
One thing I would find funny is Starfleet assigning 1 Inquiry-class as a "Backup" ship to any crew manning a ship of lesser firepower as a in case Starfleet needs to go "War" mode again in the next 10 years.
Only thought it cause they had so many mass produced in season 1's finally & I doubt they want to keep them when returning to "Peace/Exploration" mode (Thou I don't know how big of a crew the Inquiry-class needs, it could be built like the Vengance-class from jj-Abrams Trekverse that barely needed 2 dozen)
my only criticism of the Constitution III design is that Krauss should've used a saucer design more akin to an Ambassador than that of the Constitution II. Doing so would have helped distinguish it from its Shangri La predecessor class while also leaning on the fact that the Ambassador class's design uses concentric circles in a similar manner as the Constitution I and II. It's one of the reasons I rather like the Ambassador class.
I'm waiting for a USS Boaty McBoatface Constitution mk3 Starship.
I've got a really dumb idea but hear me out. The Federation gives the name of a difference Neo Enterprise the name Defiant. It could be NCC-1764 B, DS9's ship would essentially fit the A slot.
Thematically it continues the thesis of bring back TOS era ships and leaving the Dominion War behind. It is a bit on the nose though.
Why in this era of constant dangers and now a mostly explored Alpha/Beta Quadrants, a Semi explored Delta, and almost fully explored Gamma, does the Federation think that having an underpowered, exploration vessel that can't even hold up against an 80 year old Enterprise D is a good idea????
The fact that they make it the Flagship and name it the Enterprise is literally just the biggest slap in the face of logic and reason I think I've EVER SEEN.
So for phasers on the saucer we see 6 dual phaser banks and four phaser strips two port, two starboard. Total actual phasers is not 18 but visual mounts show 20 feel there should be more strips. Adding phaser banks is probably a creative choice as in voyager the ship would sometimes shooea phaser beam from the freaking aft torpedo launcher watch episode of voyager with the vadwar. Personally I'd have six phaser strips with the six dual phaser banks in the saucer, keep the two dorsal aft secondary hull banks and add two on the ventral on aft one foreword and two strips ventral flanking port and starboard one aft torpedo launcher and a two foreword one in the neck one above sensor dome
If they do make a series I hope they write that Q just changes history slightly so that the Enterprise F gets refitted and the this G gets back the Titan name and registery,
A question for everyone (followed by me droning on with my 2 cents): would you have accepted it if the film makers of Star Trek IV had used this, or something similar, for the Enterprise-A?
It is completely understandable that the film makers of Star Trek IV would have used the Constitution-II model for the Enterprise-A; it very likely helped the long-time fans get past the loss of the Enterprise in STIII; it certainly did for me. However, that created a new set of issues, since the previous movies heavily suggested that the Constitution-II was no longer cutting edge, yet the Enterprise-A appeared to be a new ship, apparently built using a soon-to-be-outdated design.
Personally, when I first saw the Titan-A, it seemed to be a Constitution-class ship with Excelsior-class technology (and whatever those warp nacelles were), and THAT seemed like a perfect fit for the end of Star Trek IV. IMO, the fans would likely have been perfectly happy with a new Enterprise that wasn't a clone of the previous, so long as the registry was NCC-1701-A, and so long as it was mostly Constitution-esque.
If we want to come up with some lore to explain a Constitution-III, it actually makes much more sense in that era. The Excelsior NX-2000 seemed to have two purposes: First, to be a platform for Transwarp Drive (which might be a franchise game-breaker if Starfleet could simply go anywhere instantly, without drawbacks) and second, to incorporate multiple new technologies. Therefore, Excelsior had a completely new hull. Still, that left Starfleet with all of those Constitution-class hulls.
IMO, a Constitution-III makes sense as a rebuild of the older ships; dispense with the requirement for Transwarp Drive, retrofit as much Excelsior-level technology as the smaller hulls can hold, and Starfleet becomes much more formidable in a short time. In principle, the same shipyards and facilities used for then-existing Constitution-class ships would readily adapt.
Or... I'm wrong. What do you think?
EDIT: I have to admit, I do love the massive Impulse Engines.
It's ok. It's a glorified kit bash based on nostalgic fan service. I do not feel it's a suitable ship to be re-christened as the Enterprise-G. But let's face it, Picard season three was coasting on nostalgia.
Indeed, nostalgia was that show's life support.
which isn't bad. That's all that Picard fans had been asking for since it was first announced. Get the old crew back together, have updated adventures. Maybe pass the torch to a Next Generation, and be done with it.
@@Kainis80 No, it's not bad. I enjoyed the nostalgic moments. However, the overall writing was pretty weak and without the nostalgia I don't think it would have done much better than the previous seasons. You certainly can't count on nostalgia with a new crew. You need solid writing. Something I feel has been missing from Trek for about 15 years. But that is another argument.
@@josephmassaro I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you there. There were a number of pockets where the writing was piss poor tumblr fan fic, at best. Hopefully crap like that can be remedied with this writer's strike. However, all the fans had hoped for since the first announcement of Picard, was nostalgia. Get back to childhoods (for many, or younger adulthoods for others) when possibilities were more endless. When there was still hope. Not like it had been in New Trek up until then, where you have mostly kids flying around in state of the art WMD's with serious psychological issues in every single episode.
@@josephmassaro I agree
RE: Rebooting the Constitution-class; Full disclosure, I did not watch Picard S03 and have no plans to do so. With that being said, I'm also underwhelmed by the Concept of trying to gin up more Sentimentality for that series (In Total) by suggesting that a return to form from 200 years prior to the events of the Picard series represents growth or development.
Sure, the Federation and Starfleet both are also capable of being sentimental, and there's much by way of canonical material to prove it. But it's a Ship of Theseus thing, pal. The Federation and Starfleet both have been replacing their *own* planks for such a long time, even completely disregarding them when they identify and remove something which has become rotten by virtue of proximity to something else which started out rotten. The result is that those planks which *must needs be present* are no longer there, and thus it is no longer the Ship of Theseus, even if we squint a little.
The Ship of Theseus that is Star Trek floats upon a sea of Disbelief, which keeps it suspended. They've managed to drain that ocean of goodwill.
The Titan busted it's ass. It was nice to have something NEW along side the celebration of TNG. It earned respect for the name. Tossing that in the trash just for nostalgia felt really bad. But what's really galling: I'm JUST realizing now why the gorgeous Odyssey-class Enterprise-F got an "early retirement" -- it was just so we could have this dumb-ass name change in the finale. That's more than a little bit infuriating. :P
Titan-A designers: How many impulse engines do you want?
STP Producers: Yes
Wait, so you're telling me that the Titan A was donated components and equipment from the original Lunda Titan, and they renamed it to the Enterprise G?
I never much liked the change myself always thinking the USS Generations, Picard or maybe Legacy could have been a better him age name, but now knowing the fact that this ship literally was the Luna Titan which donated stuff to make the better Neo Connie class (not necessarily better looking but more powerful) and they went and renamed it, kinda makes it even worse... Like the poor Luna Titan got so disrespected by that one single action...
Real shame never saw enterprise F in action
I have to say I am one of the few disappointed that the Enterprise-G is the renamed Titan, yeah I know its not unheard of in trek canon, I know that the Yorktown was renamed to the Enterprise-A but I dont know I find the Neo Connie's design kinda frustrating and inconsistent and some of them even show in the video, I can share more if interested but I dont want to fill your comments with TL;DR.
Missed opportunity, really should have gone with the Odyssey Enterprise-F as the hero ship.
They should’ve named this ship the USS Jean Luc Picard. That was the original plan for the show.Starfleet would not be stepping backwards in lineage and design, and Enteprises have always been cutting edge, state of the art ships.
'very high impulse speeds'...surely this would be detrimental due to time dilation as you get to significant percentages closer to C (speed of light), it would end up jumping days/months into the relative future everytime it did so
I believe there are 2 Fore torpedo launchers, one right next to the other my friend. Love your videos!
Bah, the Odyssey Class is ten times as pretty.
Also, why does it have so many impulse engines? What is it, a space tug boat?
I guess someone gotta dock the big boy odyssey class 🤣🤣🤣
Low key upset it's the next enterprise.
I really liked the ship, but it seemed more like a scout/utility ship than a flagship.
Also: Give me a series following NCC-2000-A!
Let Sulu get his 'ancient man' cameo in a ship inspection!
I never really understood the ships that lacked an engineering hull, it always just seemed off to me. So I'm happy with the connie3.
She was heavily armed. Having that many phaser banks which were the same rank as the inquiry class. And she carried the new advanced torpedoes. She was able to deal a severe amount of damage if need be.
The biggest disrespect to that fictional crew, and the fans is renaming her the enterprise G.. The season was generally terrible, and very mindless.. And then to just take away, everything that ship accomplished the entire season by renaming her is repulsive.. They couldn’t build a new ship and call her the enterprise? And they couldn’t even respect the ship by letting her keep the name titan.
It's a crossover design with the Vulcan Marriage Counselors...it looks like a Lirpa.
I don't particularly have an opinion about the Titan-A/Enterprise-G naming thing, but I like this ship as a hero ship rather than it being the biggest baddest ship in the galaxy like the last few Enterprises. Kinda puts me in mind of the TOS movies or BSG where the hero ship is past its prime but they find a way. I know Enterprise-G is NOT past its prime, but it not being the strongest ship in the fleet makes the stakes more interesting. I really hope we get a new show out of Enterprise-G and its crew.
I am a little sad that this effectively makes Enterprise-F and the Odyssey class a lost era, because I do adore that design, but yeah. Odyssey-class just doesn't make for a good hero ship.
Maybe the F was refitted and given a different name? Maybe it got the name titan now.😂
Just an idea, might not be the best one. For fixing the Titan-A Enterprise-G legacy problem.
They can still have the whole scene with jack and the Picard family on the shuttle and then eventually showing the Titan-B, being a newest top of the line vessel (perhaps another Odyssey class?) and Picard goes “ah of course, the new Titan!” And then the shuttle go past the Titan-B, showing the neo Connie enterprise G, then most of the scene can be kept as is, while also kind of honouring the legacy of the Titan
Kinda hate how this class is supposed to be top of starfleet's conventional warp that we've seen yet it lacks the sleek curves that a lot of other high maximum warp ships (Voyager, the Protostar, Dauntless NCC-80816...) have.
And I'm not passing judgement on this, but I just think it's kind of funny that the next Enterprise is only a swimming pool longer than a California Class.
I remember way back in the ships of the line Calendars there was concept art for a sovereign class era Light cruiser that was a constitution class…. Almost the same size of a movie era Constitution because of its modernized technology its crew compliment was smaller allowing for more generous “hotel” spaces. Often “captained” by officers of both commander ranks due to its diminished status in current fleet arrangements its bridge layout of a modern copy of the TOS layout. Even its command structure was duplicated with the XO also being the department head of the department most specific to the ship’s current mission and with security and engineering often being a combined department
Biggest disappointment for me is that they called it the Enterprise-G instead of something like the U.S.S. Picard. In my opinion calling it the G is almost a downgrade since it is smaller and less powerful than the oddy.
@@kanaric The E wasn't bigger than the D but is was more powerful. With successors there should be some sort of progression. In the terms of the G here it's weapons aren't as good as the F's nor was it faster or larger or anything of the sort. In all ways it's a downgrade. Hence why calling it the Picard or even leaving it as the Titan would be better than calling it the G.
Renaming the Titan to Enterprise was too much fanfare, but at this point it is what it is. As for the ship's aesthetics...it's a decent enough design, although the proportions are off. It looks like the saucer is too large for the secondary hull. The sharp edges of the saucer look at odds with the curved lines of the secondary hull. Also, the stepped design of the nacelles toward the rear make them too thin.
Question for everyone, even though this isn't really the thread for it: would you have been happy if, instead of renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G, the show makers simply would have upgraded the Enterprise-D with the latest technology, and sent her out for another 15 to 25 years?
Love the new Enterprise design, the constitution class is my favorite Enterprise
The renaming was almost as underwhelming as the reveal of what was behind the red door.
I like to imagine that the Connie 3 was called the USS Titan because, as well as reusing parts from the Luna class, they just so happened to reuse the placards and forgot to wipe the memory on the reused computers.
I feel like there is a lot of nostalgia stuff going on in Trek rather then a major push forwards into new bright and hopeful futures. Why remake the old when you can just make a bright and shiny new? I guess?
It is nostalgia. Think about it is for both fans and in universe. The federation were yearning for the golden days. Without harkening back to just before the dominion war but a era looked at as growth for them the 23rd Century. Remember the 24 Century saw conflicts with the Fergani, Cardassians, Borg and major war with the Dominion. So what era do you go with the 23rd. What class of ship was in the forefront of that era the Constitution. As the flag was a Constitution. It works for in universe reasonings. As well as for fans of the franchise as well.
Well taking all into consideration, it's rather symbolic, we began with Enterprise Constitution-class and ended with one, that's the mark of the new beginning I hope for Trek-world, to get back to all we know and love, to watch and see exploring the final frontier and the voyages of a starship Enterprise, it's continuing mission to explore strange new worlds to seek out new life and civilisations and boldly go, where no one have gone before ( I want to see more then our new Enterprise, but I really wanted to use that line)... also Seven is a captain of an Enterprise, from borg drone, to the captain of Federation flagship (not sure if G is one, but you get it)
we need a series for this ship