How did the Soviets and China become enemies - Cold War DOCUMENTARY
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- Our historical documentary series on the history of the Cold War continues with a video on the so-called Sino-Soviet Split, as after the death of Stalin, China and the USSR became bitter enemies due to a variety of reasons
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Warsaw Pact: Nah dude they’ve got nukes, we’ve got to resolve things peacefully
China: DO IT, DO IT, DO IT
Provoke a struggle between the Soviet Union and the United States to gain China's development space. (From Henry Kissinger’s summary of Mao Zedong’s foreign policy)
Mao: "Roast me."
People: *extensive criticism*
Mao: "So you have chosen death."
China MAO ZEDONG even threatened stalin in cold war era WW2 ....
Mao pulls out machine gun.
Heh I know it's funny in hindsight but my grandfathers uncle was one of the few intellectuals who actually criticized Mao during the hundred flowers campaign. He was later taken away by the police and sent to work in a water ditch reservoir (essentially digging a giant hole in the side of a mountain to store water/ice). He spent 20 years working in the reservoir doing manual labor. Hard to imagine going from a university student to 20 years of manual labor in what was pretty much a labor camp.
@Satariel sb is sha bi. An insult in chinese.
@Satariel *5 mao has been deposited in your account*
Khrushchev: Sorry Mao, but times have changed.
Mao: Things are never the same without Stalin.
Would love to see how China and Vietnam fought against each other and how that contributed to the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia and the Chinese attempting to invade Vietnam in 1979
we will get there, but that is still a while away in the timeline.
And Albania aligned itself with China.
@@TheColdWarTV Can you please make a video on Mission Critical which occured in October 1956 . By the way , love the content
Some persons even argue Deng Xiao has used this war to mobilize PLA and establish his authorirty in CCP, and improve Sino-American relation.
@@user-ks7xi4qd8o as a Vietnamese, i would love to know how this war is potrayed in China, please
1:50 I love how Malenkov is just sitting in between Stalin and Mao with a grumpy face
Lol who can blame him
Malenkov in the photo looks like he's trying to figure out if it was Stalin or Mao who farted.
He always had that look 🤣
@@TheCimbrianBull Mao probably smelled that bad to start with if stories are to be believed. And stalin was just the sort to gulag someone for noticing he farted.
That's Voroshilov his #1 buddy.
Ah the classic Sino-Soviet Split.
Ironic that China who accused the USSR of revisionism and Capitalist restoration back then..
Well 1970s-2020.. You know.
It is not hypocrisy if something hasn't happen yet...
@Kostas Yian I like your logical thinking
@RavnDream Correct word would be "irony". If current Chinese gov said the same words, it would be hypocrisy.
@RavnDream China have yet to switch to capitalist(market economy) in 1970. After Mao's death, chinese reopen the country in 70s, 80s. In 2020, China is more capitalist than US, betraying many tenets of Leninism. China claims that it is "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" but it is an essentially capitalist authoritarian system.
@RavnDream They were consistent in one thing: authoritarianism. Not even under their Republic days did authoritarianism went away...
The Sino-Soviet split was, in a way, Stalin's fault. Stalin after 1945 talked a big game about how World War III was inevitable and the Soviet Union would win because nuclear weapons were no big deal. He didn't mean that last part, but (he thought) he needed to pretend that he wasn't intimidated by them. So when Khrushchev condemned Stalin, shifted the rhetoric towards the notion of winning the Cold War peacefully, negotiated with the West to minimize geopolitical points of friction that risked escalating into nuclear war (to a degree, mind you), and improved relations with non-aligned countries, Mao perceived it as weakness if not outright betrayal. Consider, for instance, how the mid-'50s rapprochement between Moscow and Belgrade must've looked to someone who had consumed years of propaganda about Tito being a fascist and a traitor. To Mao, Khrushchev would've been a sort of Chamberlain-like figure.
It surprised me that some fans of this great historical channel, still think any political entity as one united will. There's power struggles even within any political entity, you need to dive deeper to better understand the situation.
I agree, much of the 20th century was just socialists fighting socialists, each having a slightly different end goal and name for their brand of socialism.
@@C21H30O2 it was pretty much everyone fighting each other, due to the fears of the cold war. America literally overthrew democratic elected leaders who simply weren't as capitalist as they wanted them to. Then Socialist going at each other over purity. Cold war was truly fascinating.
@@C21H30O2 Communists, but yes.
@@yourtrappedinmygenjutsu For all their posturing about freedom and democracy, the USA sure supported a lot of totalitarian coups and even carried out mind control experiments on their own citizens.
It's honestly kind of dumb that people expect communist and socialist countries to play nice with each other just because they have similar political or economic ideals when conservative and capitalist countries wage war with each other all the fricking time.
Having similar economic/political systems, interests, ideals, doesn't fully eliminate conflict.
When he said "like any bad break up, mutual friends were picking sides" I saw him tear up
We Wish to Feature about Spain under General Francisco Franco
I would like to see that too
you're in luck then! Working on it...
@@TheColdWarTV great, you're making great content
I would like to see a feature on Oceania under Big Brother.
@@TheColdWarTV Hope you dont confuse him with a fascist again
Mao to Khrushchev: How dare you stand where He stood?!
Lenin: Starts Rolling in his Grave
china, nk and russia just a split of their idea... a back up country... for theym to runaway to.. when shit hit the fan... nothing new there....
Communism is death
Stop... I think I’m about to ship something chaotically evil
@@junekcjy563 same lol
The sino-soviet split is a very important moment in history that is often forgotten, it is THE starting point of series of events that lead china to become richer and more powerful today.
The starting point is when Mao dies, not when Mao fighter Soviet
After Mao died the CCP finally realised that communism wasnt working and began liberalising its economy, and opening to outside investment.
@@moonshadow7057 China started opening up diplomatically at the time of Mao (Nixon visit, replacing Taiwan at the UN..), and economically after he died.
No, the starting point is Mao's death and Deng getting the power.
That's a node, but it's not the starting point. You ignored the first five-year plan and the role of the Soviet Union's comprehensive basic industrial assistance. Until now, many industrial standards and terms in China still adopt Soviet style. Although it later withdrew its capital and asked China to repay the loan, it was also the starting point for China's industrial development.
I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your channel. I've read some criticism that I don't think is warranted, and I think you do an outstanding job of explaining some complicated subjects. Thank you for doing this.
"The effects of the split would last into the 1980's'"
Me: Thinking about that one Chinese guy that fought the Soviets in Afghanistan in Black Ops 2.
Ah yes, I guess it's the only piece of popular media that actually shows Chinese involvement in Soviet-Afghan War.
When you get to it, don't forget that the Chinese sent military aid to the Mujahideen during the Soviet Afghan war. China has about a 50 mile border with Afghanistan. Russian expansion would have threatened Chinese territory. This is covered very briefly in the book "The Bear Went Over the Mountain."
In the late 70s and early 80s, the USSR created several special units entirely composed of Muslims. Their unofficial name was Muslim battalions. One such battalion consisted of ethnic Uighurs under the command of Soviet officers of Kazakh, Uzbek, Tatar origin. This battalion was specially trained for a hypothetical conflict with China.
THANK YOU, DAVID!!! 😊 I was waiting for this episode. The Sino-Soviet split is one of my favorite things to learn about in history
You think you can make an episode about kim il sung
Like a documentary about him
I’d be interested in that
Big daddy kim
Oppa Kim il sung style
The Kim Dynasty would be cool
The split did many things but to name a few:
-Russia became friends with India, who have a long history against China (friendship would last to this day, India uses both NATO and Russian technology)
-China now found itself with two enemy nations at it border, Russia on top, and India to its left (Russia relations would bounce back and forth which persists to this day)
-China's expansion often made itself enemies with the rest of the Southeastern Asian nations (again, something still present to this day)
-US brought relations back to China, scaring Russia (lasts until the end of the Cold War, China's influence encroaches in US media to this day)
-Former allies of China (Vietnam for example) became enemies when China no longer needed them
Look the history map of china and Russia
how could you say that the split resulted to China's expansion? nice list tho
Fastforward to current times
China's influence has not just encroached US media but US think tanks, US academic circles, US SM companies etc.
What nonsense, China benefited greatly from the sino-soviet split. Without the split PRC and US wouldn’t have formed good relation in 1972. After Deng came to power he opened up the economy, and with good relationship with the US they managed to acquire lots of investments from the US and the Japanese, had there had not been any Sini soviet split there wouldn’t have been such investments in China from western nations. Secondly China managed to get all the disputed islands on the Ussuri river after the fall of USSR from Russia. Plus after the fall of USSR, the Chinese established good relationship with Russia. During the 1962 Indo-China war India didn’t get any military assistance from the USSR since the USSR was busy with their own ongoing conflict with the US due to the cuban missile crisis.
Mao: Nooooo you can’t seek peace with the western capitalist pigs!
Also Mao: Hey America, wanna be allies? 🤫
lol it's exactly this kind of political elasticity that saved the world during dangerous times unlike the redialization in ideology today
First of all China does not want to rely on usa gadget and then China wants to work with usa cause usa had success formed nato alliance which makes youtube and google so successful so China took part and learned with usa together but of course China will use VPN
@@LOLBTLOLBT yeah idk whats up with everyone just launching into extremes (especially the youth) you're either a Tankie or a n@Zi to others. It is very confusing
Thank you for this video. It was a very interesting subject.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, you got a new sub
Oooooo new upload, let me just say I've only been a fan since a week ago but I'm already loving your content guys, and it's really informative! Keep it up!
Been a fan since the start and I still love it. Just a bit bored with all the revolutions cause it's quite similar
Welcome aboard!
YOLOOOOOO!!! your being being noticed
and hello cold war
chinas 100 flowers campaign; "show us your dissent so we can register it for purging later!!!"
@wargent99 commie spotted!
In Khrushchev's memoirs, he said exactly that.
@wargent99 you misspelled "these right wingers were then slowly starved to death. many for the 1st and last times in their lives."
@wargent99 20 million corpses say otherwise. peddle your koolaid elsewhere wu mao.
Not exactly. Througout Chinese history, allowing different opinions is considered a virtue of the ruling power. Mao wanted to play it too. Constructive advices really helps, but not all "different opinions". The original purpose was to collect better ideas, but it soon went to a movement of asking CPC to hand out power so that those "intellectuals" can get into office without heavy sacrifice or serious team construction.
I had heard that this split had happened. But didn't know of the finer details until this video was uploaded. It sounded like Russia and China were a miss-matched couple destined to break-up. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Let this be a warning to all who think a common faith or belief system is enough to unite them.
Looking for Sino-Russian military exercises
The reality was relations between the two countries were always historically hostile. Russia's expansion into Asia always put them at odds with China and in the distant past that sometimes led to shooting conflicts if not outright war. Communism only led to a brief lull in the hostilities before the splits became evident. I learned this in a Russian Asian history class, and I remember the same professor telling us he tried to get permission to do some research on the Ussuri river that edges along the borders (if I got the right river), and they told him he couldn't go out there because they just had a skirmish over a sandbar on the river that cost several thousand lives. Now that is pretty bad for two countries that weren't technically at war.
@@schizoidboy---Yeah that does sound pretty bad. Thanks for telling me.
@@schizoidboy However, the 1950 friendship treaty between the USSR and the PRC really had no analogues in the world. The USSR helped China in all aspects.
To think that their motto was "Workers of the world, unite!", yet they couldn't even do that.
I guess that's because they were politicians. Nobody told them to unite.
Funny thing is the Soviets WERE uniting workers all around the world. Except every time those workers united, the CIA appeared with a coup followed by a pro-capitalist tinpot dictator. South America, Africa, Middle East, Europe, and Asia all have similar stories.
Lol having a communist dictator is far better then? Commie.
ok commie
mbogucki1 you realize communism requires a stateless society right? The true transition between socialism and communism is when the state hands the means of productions to the people, the proletariat. That never did, never had and never will happen, because people in power will never let go of that power unless forced by law or coup
It might be worth mentioning the Ussuri river border incident in 1969 which was an undeclared war with the two sides shooting at one another, during which a few hundred people were killed. This incident lasted about six months, and happened just a few months after the 1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia (where I was born). The news of this war were greeted with much satisfaction by parts of the helpless Czechoslovak population who loved the idea of the Soviets getting beaten by the Chinese. Even before this incident, China was (naively) regarded by some as a potential savior from the Soviets. I recall numerous graffiti "China, help!" in the streets of my home town of Brno, overrun by Russian tanks in August 1968. It surely was a lot to process for an impressionable 14 years old boy that I was at that time...
So good content, thanks for the good work on making the video
This definitely needs a part two!!!! The 1969 boarder conflict anyone?? As always, an Amazing video once again!!!!
We will cover those conflicts as separate episodes.
@@TheColdWarTV have you maked a video
Kissinger: "I'm gonna do what's called a Pro Gamer move"
Republic of China (Taiwan):
Damn I’m out.
but that move helped US win the cold war more than anything else
It is called the Shuttle Diplomacy card in TS.
@@andraslibal i rather call 'pingpong' diplomacy.
I don't get it.
China and USSR actually went to war with each other in 1969. its a small border conflict but it lasted for a few months.
In 1971, China go back five permanent seats in the United Nations. The Soviet Union and his brothers voted for it, but the United States voted against it. In fact, after 1969, there was still cooperation between China and the Soviet Union. China has provided tens of millions of aid to Allende in Chile and built a dam for Afghanistan.
@@user-cx1ki8li4t China also was supplying the enemy of the Soviet Union during Afghanistan
@@user-cx1ki8li4t coincidentally, all those countries currently dislike china. Yes, im including afghanistan and russia here.
@@goodstuff6006 Do you think the Chinese will like Russia? The Russians annexed a large amount of Chinese territory in the process of expanding to the east.
@@vstachen7761 good. This is coming from a korean. Have a taste of your own medicine.
Great video.
Port Arthur is actually modern day Lüshun.
旅顺口区
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Make lushun Port Arthur again!
Yes. There’s a major difference between Dalian and Lvshun yet people tend to confuse the two
Good stuff. If I could make one simple element of constructive criticism, please make these much , much longer.
'Any support you're able to thr..' Classy ending, I wasn't interested in the end of that sentence anyway.
hahahaha. I had to rewind to listen again, didn't understand what he had said. Watching his reaction shows it was a definite mistake, surprised they kept it in.
a great video!
Great channel
Poor Mao, he just wanted a third world war and died before realizing his dream.
the original posadist
Wonder how many rolls he made in his grave seeing modern day china nowadays prospering under 'socialist capitalism' LOL
@@m4rs12 enough to use his body as a dynamo to power chinese capitalism hopefully....
no...he don't ...if you do not want war...you need to show that you are not afraid of it....uk shows they do not want war with German..shows weakness and thus ...
@@user-rh2pv2kc5g he wanted THE SOVIETS to go to war with the US, he also believed that another world war is necessarily for communism to win against capitalism.
Mao considered that he should be Stalin ideological successor, the new high priest of marxism. He didn't get it, and as good narcissist he was pissed off.
Stalin is priest of Marxism really then he should have control of industries etc to workers and peasants.
Just learning about this stuff. Very crazy
Excellent!
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." -Vladimir Lenin
Mao basically calling Khrushchev a pussy for not going to nuclear war with the U.S. over the cuban missile crisis is WILD. Khrushchev takes the logical approach of working out a peaceful negotiation with the U.S., and Mao calls him a pussy for not starting a global thermonuclear war.
History is crazy.
Logical? No Russian leader has ever been logical.
@@chadgaston8615 I mean, I’d say that solving the issue diplomatically instead of launching the nukes is a pretty rational decision. If either Kennedy or Khrushchev decided to hit the nuclear button, both the USA and the USSR would’ve been completely and utterly annihilated.
There ARE a lot of russian leaders that have done some seriously stupid shit, though. Tsar Nicholas II decided that he would command the army in WW1 instead of sending an experienced general, and that was a disaster. On top of that, while he was out commanding the military, he left his German wife and Rasputin in charge of the country. During a major war against Germany, he left his GERMAN wife in charge, with none other than a horny magic wizard guy by her side. Definitely not a good look lol
Back in a history class I was told there was an incident where Mao invited Stalin to China to have a public dinner with him. Stalin showed up late, holding a bottle of vodka and he was absolutely shitfaced. Stalin sat down with Mao but he didn't even touch any of the food offered for him nor did he speak a word to anyone, just took sips from his bottle. After he left the Chinese were outraged, except for Mao who admired him so much that he still acted like the meeting went well. Anyone know the authentity of this story, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere since?
Stalin just like me
I guess that comments somehow benefit creators. Thanks for the thoughtful video.
I love the vault boy on your set.
How the tables have turned.
Yeah, let's hold off on that celebration....
wait till the USSR rise and china lost
ideologies differ between cultures as much as the food on their tables
China in 1969:* ambushes Soviet patrol and bayonets bleeding Soviet soldiers to ensure no witnesses survived (Damanski incident)
also China 10 years later: OMG Vietnam is such an ungrateful brat! How can you try to fight me after EVERYTHING I'VE DONE FOR YOU!!!
I love the studio set ❤️❤️
A fascinating and informative explanation, somewhat marred by the background muzak. You don't need soundtrack when your content is this good - it's distracting and adds nothing!
Mao is no stupid. He never wanted a full-out war with another big power. He just tried to gain the most out of a conflict. The USSR clearly lost the 1962 Cuba missile crisis. That's why Mao derided Kuruschv for not using his leverages.
If Krushchev hadn't come to an agreement in the Cuban missile crisis, it probably would have ended with the US invading and occupying Cuba and the Soviet Union basically acquiescing, because Cuba was just too remote for the USSR to effectively defend, and as much as Castro and Mao were fans of goading the USSR into World War III over their own issues, Krushchev was decidedly not on board with that plan.
@@mikicerise6250 will even you warmongering Americans realize how destructive ww3 would be
@@firasajoury7813 Shhh, quiet. It's still not agitprop o'clock.
@@mikicerise6250 huh?
3:12 very smart comparison of the ideological divide of these two powers!
I have seen all videos of this Great Channel, this Channel is very Informative. I Love how David.S narrates each and every documentary so easily and I also Love his voice it's very soothing to my ears.I have few small requests.Can you please make video on Non-Aligned Movement. Can you please start a new series called "Cold War in IndoChina" in this Channel,covering all the Cold War events that happened in that region. I am from India, so can you please make a video on 1965 India-Pakistan War ( which also covers how Diplomatic Intervention by USA & USSR led to Tashkent Declaration ),1971 India-Pakistan War ( which also covers how East Pakistan became Bangladesh and also showing how US & it's Allies & USSR got involved in this War ).Can't wait for Cuban Missile Crisis Video & 1962 Sino-India War Video.
Awaiting for a positive response😊
Love from India 🇮🇳❤️
Thank you for kind words. Much appreciated. We will cover all those.
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I recommend that David could make an episode about culture revolution from 1966-1976.
And the Zian Bao Island conflict between China and USSR.
The cultural revolution needs its own channel, not just one episode.
Ee man they are doing all in an order... They are currently in 1956..
Hi chinese
@@husseinoskovjino9398 No, I am not Chinese
I come from Taiwan. I am Taiwanese!!!
@@dkwlin4351
Aren’t taiwanese national chinese?
What about the clash in the Sino-Soviet border in 1969 between the two armies which almost ended in an open confrontation?
When it happened in 1969 the island was called 'Damansky' if you put that into google, now you get, courtesy of the PROC, 'Zhenbao'. Further proof of the inroads the red chinese have made into American companies i.e. 'Google' 'Bing' 'Yahoo'.
Rusoviet Tovarich It’s not “now you get” like it’s some goddamn Ministry Of Truth bullshit fooling only China while Russia actually occupies it. China and Russia sat down and negotiated about those Amur/Heilongjiang River borders. If anything, people say the Chinese government under Jiang Zemin are traitors because we’re never getting the pre-1856 Sino-Russian borders back thanks to those treaties.
1969 is way after the Sino-Soviet split and it was simply a hot war battle.
@@davidw.2791 no need to use curse word - I didn't realize the Russians ceded control of Damansky n 1991. As to 1969 being after the initial sino-soviet - my point was it lead to the Damansky imbroglio.
Rusoviet Tovarich Rusoviet Tovarich Not a rhetorical question: Are you someone who strives to never swear IRL and believe that curse words are an affront to the higher powers? If so I apologize.
But now for some more constructive stuff: You know how mainland China looks like a rooster with his head to the east? For the longest time, if you look up maps printed in China, you’ll see that the “tip of the rooster’s nose” (the part where the Amur River and the Wusuli River come together; the easternmost point of China’s land) is a sharp tip, whereas in more recent maps it’s a bit blunted, that’s because there’s an island in the spot, and the final negotiations have China and Russia split it 50-50. That’s part of those border negotiations I talked about.
Any chance you guys could so a video about all those collectibles you have in the background? I'd be interested to know what they all were and a little history
I just want to say : Cool video :)
Request: how orthodox survived Soviet Russia
Cuz Russia was predominantly orthodox before 1917 anyway while the Chinese were mostly atheists
@@aliwakanda7327 China always has folk religions among the common peopl
This story deserves a deep sigh, the Mao guy's truly an adventurist.. the world would have been a different place by now if not for people like Trueman, Kennedy and Khrushchev
"Adventurist" is an odd adjective but sure. We'll say it was just 'adventurous" to kill a couple tens of millions of people or so.
Kyle Volbrecht he meant adventurist as Mao’s extremely aggressive military posturing abroad and willingness to throw China into conflicts and pursue nukes and ultimately WWIII
@@TheLocalLt Ah I see. I haven't heard the term adventurist before. I would think 'warmongering' summed up the attitude a bit better but there you go.
@TH-cam News no not really at all like that, but please feel free to necropost more communist cringe.
@@kylevolbrecht9255 said the American
You choked on the ending!
I've been expecting this one hehe
You should make an episode of Hoxhaist Albania (Communist Albania/Enver Hoxha). You did the Sovietization of Albanian and Yugoslavia but you should make videos on Tito’s Yugoslavia and Hoxha’s Albania since both nations diverged from the path of the Soviet Union.
I think Hoxha believed that communism or socialism in different countries depend on the country's culture,conditions etc .
Didn't Mao do the whole "hundred flowers" thing during the civil war, to smoke-out any opposition?. Also, I've heard that in the 1964 Toho film "Ghidrah the three-headed Monster" Ghidrah, who has always been depicted in the traditional Oriental style of dragon, was an allegory for China joining the atomic club in 64'.
Its like asking people to roast you and then shooting those who had a point. Pretty smart.
thank u:)
Soviet Union tried to become superpower through military dominance and Lost, China tried become a superpower through economic dominance and they won.
The reason of split is not mainly due to ideology. The most important reason was ussr's military intervention in Hungary and Poland. That alterred Chinese leadership that USSR was a imperialism country like Britain in 19th century.
Sure, sure. China would never do something like this. Right, Korea? Right, Vietnam?
Good video. Xie xie. I think at the end of WWII the Japanese in Manchuria surrendered to the Soviets (expecting to be treated better than if they surrendered to the Chinese). The Soviets then in an 'exchange' looted all the industrial machinery in Manchurian in 'exchange' for giving all the Japanese arms to the Peoples' Liberation Army -which helped them to win the civil war.
The break between the Soviets and the Chinese in the early 1960s was a tremendous opportunity for the United States, NATO and the west- that they did nothing with until Kissinger and Nixon. (I have many criticisms about these two, but this was a very smart move.) Kissinger repeatedly called Allen Whiting at the University of Michigan for advice. (I knew one of his grad students who's meetings used to be interrupted by these calls.) Whiting was a leading American expert on Asia and the Chinese.
Those trucks at the beginning.... I don't know all the details but apparently the Soviets copied Lend Lease Studebaker trucks from the U.S. and began manufacturing them. They then gave some of these to the Peoples' Republic of China, who then copied the Soviet copies. I saw hundreds of these trucks all over China, including brand new ones until the mid 2000s, when they updated the design.
I think the Hundred Flowers movement embodies the continual mistake made by the Chinese Communist Party, and practical Communism in general. It's in the Chinese 'constitution' or current policy that Xi Jinping is infallible, just as Mao was. Pick the smartest leaders in history and the last thing any of them would claim would be infallibility. Deng Xiaoping's deputy, in conversations with Martin Lee and a Hong Kong delegation, sent the message that Hong Kong will have 50 years, and if China has not caught up, or if Hong Kong needed another 50 years - no problem. Clearly his intention was that the Peoples' Republic follow Hong Kong's lead, not the other way around. (Like when my in-laws had me do the driving, asked me for advice, but I was never 'in charge.' ) Xi Jinping's deep authoritarianism (Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong) will ultimately do what Chinese Communism has always done - screw things up. My argument would be if you looked at Hong Kong in 1976 and the PRC in 1976 which one is the model for China today? Hint: it's not Mao suits, collectives and ratty housing.
Did you license that bad ass war music haha? Nice video though c:
thank you for mentioning the Tibetan Uprising! but it started actually in 1956 in eastern and northern Tibet, the events of 1959 were the culmination of it
"Everybody's favorite topic, ideology." May the day come when the world isn't driven nuts by ideologies.
those that think they're outside of ideology are the most ideological
Have you made any videos discussing the topic of resistance against Soviet occupation and domination after WW2? (I .E “Forrest Brothers” in the Baltic’s.)
we did an episode on the Forest Brothers: th-cam.com/video/qRD54bWyAfc/w-d-xo.html
When everyone is entitled to everything, no one is responsible for anything.
Ah, the common "It wasn't real socialism argument" going full throttle
Communism made in Russia vs Communism made in China
Communism made in Germany
@Intellectual Ammunition true, but think that the actual communism in China will stand longer than any other communism
@@amiralcookie3221It seems China is now some kind of wierd socialist/capitalist hybrid where they maintain just enough of each system to keep the system working. Wherever the truth lies, it is still a brutal dictatorship.
@@nonamesplease6288 yes, now the communism is completely different that from the 20th century, just like dictatorship, look Russia is some kind of a dictatorship. Only north Korea is a true socialist state with a true dictator at it head.
@@amiralcookie3221 no DPRK seems as an dystany not an real communist country.
Can anyone imagine if Britain and the EEC had a major diplomatic rift with the USA whilst the Red Army was engaged in a war against it's Allies in Central Europe? Because that's essentially the Sino-Soviet rift, only replace it with the US in Indo-china
When will the video about David drinking wine (announced in the video on France) be released?
I think maybe it is better to make an epsode focused on the crises of Taiwan Strait 1954 and 1958, It will help audiences to understand the change of Sino-American relations and Russo-China relations. It is an very interesting story.
Hey guys, love your channel. Could you cover on what was happening in Xinjiang/East Turkestan during the Cold War, please? The Sino-Soviet Split affected that region as well.
Nothing is happening in Xinjiang.
- Pakistan (leader of islamic nation's)
EAST TURK!STAN NEVER, EXIST!NG!!!
PLEASE READ THE H!ST0RY W!TH PR0PERLY!!!
新疆伊犁有几万少数民族放弃中国国籍，带着牛羊财物去了苏联，
毛泽东主席命令放他们走，
后来新疆有很多耕地荒芜没有人耕作，
中共组建了新疆建设兵团在新疆发展农业
hopefully part 2 goes into the various attempts to stop the chinese nuclear programme. as i recall, in ~1965 the US wanted to stop it, and asked the USSR if it would be cool with the US bombing chinese nuclear facilities, which the USSR declined (though noting they were concerned). then a few years later, alongside some actual shooting on the USSR/China border, the USSR basically went to the US with the same request. And in a true reversal (with Nixon in charge and trying to normalize relationships with China, as well as being concerned about Vietnam), the US said they couldnt' endorse it. I might have swapped the order, its been a while since i read up on this.. but very interesting stuff!
Can you guys do an Alternate history of the Sino soviet split
Somehow, Stalin and Mao being friends both seems very improbable and makes sense as oxymoronic as that sounds lol. It's no wonder Mao didn't work well with a reformist like Khrushchev. Thank you for another very interesting video!
God be with you out there friends! ✝️ :)
Mao Zedong was a decent military commander, not so much a peacetime ruler, especially so after 1960 when he grew old and started to lose his judgement. China during 1960 - 1978 was a disaster. It was fortunate (for the world that is) that his son went to fight the Korean war and died there. Otherwise we could very well have another bigger North Korea on our hands today.
I am Chinese. Many other Chinese people share this sentiment.
Hi, are people in China allowed to watch such videos freely or it's prohibited? I also think Mao's dynasty rule would by a disaster for China. But sooner or later they would be overthrown - China is simply far bigger than North Korea.
@@bazej1080 Technically TH-cam is blocked, but practically everyone and their dogs have VPNs so hey. Social control is honestly quite lax. The only freedom we don't have is political freedom - as long as you don't talk about politics you can pretty much say whatever you want.
Coming back to this video though, you probably cannot upload this video to any Chinese video site. But that's not because the government monitors everything - they simply don't have the time; rather because video sites do not want to get themselves temporarily shut down, so they generally just outright ban anything remotely related to politics. So again, the reason this video won't survive on China's internet is more due to its political nature, rather than anything specific.
When u 4get ur friends, they become enemies 🥶
Will you be doing an episode on the Greek Military Junta that ruled after their civil war?
An episode on the World War Two Channel has gone Private before I could watch it. Is there a reason? Will we get to see it?
Kinda lends some light onto the current situation with China, Soviets, US, and Taiwan......interesting.
So to sum it up, one of the main reasons behind the conflict was that the USSR and China were at a different stage of Communism: the USSR was highly urbanised and industrialised, while China was still rural; the USSR has already got nukes, while China was still trying to build it; in the USSR destalinisation was in progress, while Mao was planning to be not only the sole leader of China, but of the whole communist world itself; etc.
Mao is more of a person that imagine things while his colleague Liu is more of a person understand the reality.
Mao was a god in China. He was absolutely right saying after 1969 that Russia was the greatest enrmy of world peace.
Wow, good vedio.
In April 1956, two months after the ⅩⅩ Congress of the CPSU, Mao Zedong, in a conversation with a member of the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee, Comrade Mikoyan, and also in a conversation with the USSR Ambassador to the PRC, expressed his opinion on the question of Stalin. Mao Zedong emphasized that "Stalin has more merit than mistakes", that in relation to Stalin "a specific analysis is needed", "a comprehensive assessment is needed."
On October 23, 1956, Mao Zedong, in a conversation with the USSR Ambassador to the PRC, pointed out that “Stalin should have been criticized, but we have a different opinion regarding the methods of criticism. There are a number of other issues on which we hold a different opinion. "
On November 30, 1956, Comrade Mao Zedong, in a conversation with the USSR Ambassador to the PRC, again pointed out: "The main course and line during the leadership of Stalin were correct; one should not apply the same methods to your comrade as to the enemy."
Liu Shaoqi, in conversations with the leaders of the CPSU in October 1956, Zhou Enlai on October 1, 1956, in a conversation with a delegation of the CPSU that arrived at the Ⅷ Congress of the CPC, and on January 18, 1957, in a conversation with the leaders of the CPSU, again and again expressed their opinion on the question of Stalin and criticized the mistakes of the leaders of the CPSU. Here are the main of these mistakes: with regard to Stalin, “a comprehensive analysis was completely absent”; the leaders of the CPSU "did not show self-criticism"; "Did not consult with the fraternal parties in advance."
Fantastic video as always, I now get the impression that Mao and the CCP were potentially hoping for a war with the west (potentially nuclear) i'd love to know more about the motivations behind this sentiment, which seems slightly irrational.
The motivation was that both USSR and the USA would be wiped out by WW3 and China would be relatively untouched in comparison to others, serving them the rest of the world on a silver plater.
@@janchovanec8624西方对中国的侮辱是中共诞生的原因，中国人比苏联人更恨西方人，因为中国是受害者
This was a video that I learnt about China and Soviet Union alliance...alot!
Do a video on Cold War numbers stations
1962 marked the official split. They referring Soviet Union as revisionist. In Cultural Revolution it worsen a lot of diplomatic incident occurred. In 1969 marks a peak of the conflict between China and Soviet Union, during that time soviet mobilize a lot of its troop along the Sino-Soviet boarder, they had a war on the Damansky Island China attacked first. And Soviet Union want to nuke Chinese cities. And then the Chinese government learned how serious it is then on newspaper they said we don’t want to be the boss. However, the split between China and Soviet Union also marked the split of China& Vietnam relations started in the 1978. Because Soviet and Vietnam had treaty in 1970s. And from 1976-1979 the Chinese newspaper were still calling Soviet as revisionist. Not until 1982 China and Soviet had its contact and improvements on the diplomatic relations
Mao: "Let's have a super-honest discussion about our system"
Capitalist: "Socialism is causing starvation."
Mao: "Shoot that guy!"
no one starved because of socialism
@houdini2233 Am I missing something? No, breadlines don't exist in capitalist countries. Name one.
@@Zen-rw2fz Venezuela, Cuba, USSR, China. All places where people starved sue to socialism.
@Plamen Stoev When did we starve any country or continent?
@@RonaldReaganRocks1 no they don't...
whats up with the camera angle where he is looking off to the right for no particular reason? i get multiple camera angles but he should be looking at all the cameras when in use
1965-1966 Communist Cleanup in Indonesia perhaps?
Agreed. Based on what i read from wikipedia, the PKI who did the rebellion (indonesian communist party) is the third largest communist party in the world (behind ussr n china) they deserved some attention.
As Malaysian, I would like to know more bout Indonesia PKI stuff
cleanup is a very soft word. more like genocide
Great video. You are in your Cold War serie nearing the moment where Mao in his endless wisdom decided to start the campaign to exterminate the sparrows, because of grain eaten by sparrows, not knowing about the importance of the fact that sparrows were also eating insects.
If we can understand history through ideology, history is too simple and clear
An angle of the COLD WAR I'm too young to remember.
Very interesting, glad you are covering it.👍
I appreciate this vid, the other day my son asked me what the difference between Stalin and Mao communism. I glitched and could only think of the song from "Team America WP"