Worship Broadcast Mix Studio Tour with Luke Hendrickson - Bethel Church
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In this video, you get a behind the scenes look at the broadcast mix studio at Bethel Church. Your tour guide is Luke Hendricks, the broadcast audio mix engineer at Bethel.
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A giant console Just for preamps and a glorified keyboard and mouse stand. I love it.
"I mix on the Korg because it is small and cheap." Guess that design principal doesn't apply to preamps :)
@@LiebJohnson I have the same controller (gathering dust), and it floored me they use it instead of motorized faders! My Yamaha DM2000 would be a great example of using the old (console preamps) with the new (control surfacing and Symphony I/O), so videos like this are reminders to keep the older gear for repurposing!
"We use it just for preamps."
Bethel, 2020
It gives me a nice flat surface to put my keyboard on ;)
Haven't seen anything so well planned! Great stuff! You're a blessing Jake!
The background music is so good. You almost never hear good, well mixed, fitting BGM. So good dude. Literally don’t want the video to stop.
I love this setup some much. Easy to mix. Luke, my regards to Chris.👏
Very impressive! Amazing work you guys do.
This video is awesome
Having an Amek (or any analog console) makes sense because of reliability from week to week, Symphony I/O is killer/reliable/modular, NS10m’s are great, and Pro Tools HD makes sense for the same reasons....Korg controller (tongue-in-cheek)? No problems there, and makes sense! This gives me assurance to keep my Yamaha DM2000 and Symphony I/O (for my studio) whenever installing a broadcast booth becomes an option at the church.
Legend! 🙌🏻
God i wish to be there forever
Amazing how far tom-oriented worship has taken you guys ...
I heard so much about Luke’s template. I’m gonna save up for it!
I use Logic Pro X running soundflower that way Wirecast can get that mix. It works great using a few plugins.
It is amazing House something something like that cable rack head so much impact on the way I will organise
Monitor mix using Digico and waves Superrack ... nice!
Awesome video! Was hoping we could see him live mix during a service, though!
Nice vid God Bless
Cool, thanks! 👍🏻
Is that Cory Wongs older brother!? Amazing video guys. Thank you!
Me: wow that's a fairly simple setup for a church that size
*Remembers the price of all the plug-ins they use*
*Cries*
They’re great and will pay for themselves! Maybe! 😅
Also waves has sales quite frequently wheee you can get bundles really cheap.
Those Apogee interfaces and those Barefoot monitors aren’t exactly “cheap,” either, LOL... I’d honestly like to know why they’re not using a direct connection from a board into a computer (bypassing the need for the Apogee interfaces)... maybe plugins is the answer... but still, there are definitely hidden costs in this setup.
@@mahall85 So they aren't married to the gain settings at FOH. The analog split allows everyone independent control of gains so their is not compromising on levels. Gain structure is super important for Luke's protools session to work like it meant to.
Do you live in sydney?
I wish he'd go more in-depth about how he mixes the live services with the controller/keyboard and mouse combo. I find it hard to use both and I'd love to see how he does it.
"Not only do we have more money and volunteers than you will ever see, we also have a documentary team so we can show you the things you will never have..."
lol false. Churchfront has a documentary team to show you things at bethel you can never have lol.
Anything is possible if you don’t limit God. And this set up is actually VERY obtainable for many established churches if you change a few things. I was able to create a simplified version of it at the age of 19. Bethel is one of the most “cost effective” churches of their size they utilize BlackMagic gear for all their in-house video needs and wired audio equipment where they can beg cause it sounds good and is cheaper. Judge a tree by its fruit so far that fruit is looking good!
Churchfront 😂
“We use it for the preamps”😂😩Oh Bethel
Right lol.
It's also an extremely smooth mouse pad.
Nice guy that Luke.
Sooooo Funnnnn! awesome mouse!
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Loving these videos! What do you and or they use for production communication between team members?
How do you deal with audio video sync coming from the protools rig to the video switcher? PT system will have latency.
Just for pres hunh? *cries silent tears with a smile and wide eyes*
Any church can do this. You don't have to have that specific analog desk or desk at all. Use your mac or "windows" machine to mix in the box. Start with the stock plugins and work your way up. USB output digital console to computer or Audio interfaces into your computer with an analog setup (direct outs). Look for a college student willing to share their academic email so you can buy a ProTools perpetual license for half the cost or use a free one like Reaper (SpectreSoundStudios is your friend). Stop lamenting get to work!
Yes, I totally agree, all this is doable with much cheaper gear and pretty much any type of DAW. What matters from this is the principle and not the exact tools they are using.
Definitely. Did it for years with just a Presonus StudioLive and a Macbook Pro.
I partially agree, but attaining student discount under false pretences probably isn't a good look for most churches. Also Reaper isn't free. There's a home version and a commercial version. They just have an unlimited trial. It's still great value and superior to the archaic protools at this point imo and I'd echo the windows/mac thing - it really doesn't matter as long as the computer is reliable.
Great video, love your content, we are currently running his Template, can you explain what hardware to use to get the audio to broadcast mac?
Do you already have an audio interface and a way to split the audio from the stage sources?
Can you guys make vid that explain haw to connect de analog console to the apogee
Great review! Question: I use the HC-X2000 Camcorder to stream with Atem mini extreme 8 by connecting it with an HDMI cable (I'm not in rec) after 5 minutes the camera turns off. How can I deactivate stand by. Thanks!
Jake - thanks for the video! Are they using Loopback or anything like that to take the audio from Pro tools to the live streaming software? What would you recommend?
@churchfront I where deeply wondering over a while how Bethel can handle a full scale service with just an unmotorised 8ch faderboard and a mouse.
In an interview from about 2 years ago Luke mentioned that only the music mix is done in the studio and the rest is handled by another console so the band and the mixing engineer could have a pretty tight feedback loop between the worship sets. Makes absolutely sense if possible and nothing wrong with it!
But when its still the same, this would be a huuge missing point in the whole story.
I can imagine that this could lead into some frustrations of churches who are buying a DAW rig with only the nano control and struggling to handle multiple speakers, transitions and additional stuff and that they're wondering why this don't works.
(When they changed it to everything is done there, my biggest respect an honour! I can't even think about not having my 16 motorfaders :D )
An even smaller option for MADI would be the RME madiFace. Not sure if this is the same rig or setup as it is now
The portable set up: I'd like to know more. If you don't have an isolated room with speakers, what do you do? Mix via headphones?
Does anyone know which subwoofer they use?
Any tips on how you're sending the DAW mix to to the broadcast?
ok, I understood until the part that the audio enters the mac, but then what? how is this audio output to be broadcast on youtube?
I would much prefer a control surface with physical faders and knobs as apposed to a mouse. Especially if I had the production budget of Bethel.
Wow this is awesome.
How do they connect the analog console to Apogee Symphony?
What do they need to connect the console outputs to the Apogee inputs?
Hey Benjamin - so the Amek is connected to the Symphony by use of each channel's dedicated output. The Symphony has DB25 connectors and you'd use a DB25 cable to TRS. Plugin the TRS to the dedicated direct channel output from the AMEK. Each Symphony can handle 32 channels. That's why he has 2 Symphony interfaces. Then, they go from the Symphony to the AVID Thunderbolt I/O. It takes the digilink outputs from the Symphony and from that AVID box you plug it into your computer. Now you are 100% inside of the box with all the channels coming in.
Hey Jake, could you lead me to your or a course on live broadcasting? Love all of your content by the way you're really killing it. - Ismael from Houston, Texas.
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#houston4lyfe :)
Hi
How do You set up the NanoKontrol 2 to work properly with daw?
Is there an update to this or it's still what they do till date? Thanks always.
Ofcourse sounds good but its not that hard to make your own template and mix in the box if you have DAW!
I did it for my church a few years ago I think 2004, with my Korg X32xd digital recording studio and everything worked fain, its the same concept but in DAW.
I'm not sure if I'm missing something... 64 channels of audio, real-time processing done natively on a 2009 Mac and recorded at the same time....how is this possible? I've used Protools HD native and it wasn't THAT powerful...
How does get a independent broadcast mix for livestream separate from FOH? Meaning I need pre amp gain control on broadcast mix separate from FOH. I can't seem to find any info and any forum that discusses it, never actually gives the solutions. Thanks
Does anyone know how they send the mix back to the livestream?
Man id love to know the full specs on that travel rig Macbook. Gotta be at least 32gb to handle all that processing.
The iMac Pro is a base model 2017. The mobile mixing laptop is a 2015 MacBook Pro i7, 16GB RAM.
If I'm using Dante to bring audio in and send it out to the livestream, is it still possible to set up a "Stream output" as well as a "control room output"?
How do you prepare for a Service, especially notes
Guys, what if the ProTools or Mac crashes? Is there any redundancy? Please share
What program are they using on the screen that has all of the camera angles? It’s basically like a countdown and some other stuff.?
Is he recording the full church service from beginning to end?
dude this is sick.
soooooo, if I have dante, would I need the Avid Native Thunderbolt? Also, do I need protools HD? I will be trying to track more than 32 channels
Yes to both.
So could someone give a quote on cost of a bethel livestream setup. Ground up. Just a close estimate.
So how many channels is he actually adjusting on his midi control?
Is it just overall stems or individual channels?
How is he able to change Autotune Key scales inside protools for multiple channels “while recording” within a DAW?
For the most part its just his lead vocals and vocal effects!
Which subwoofer are they using?
So, how do they route their processed audio back to whatever computer is actually putting out their stream? I'm in the process of building a broadcast studio at my church in basically the same format, but I'm not sure how I need to run my audio back to my broadcast computer. Is that something they're doing over Dante/Madi?
hey! Email us at info@productiononline.com with any questions related to the template Blessings!
If you need to solo a track and listen to it during mixing live, how do you do that? Unlike any soundboard, if you solo a track on PT, I guess only that track will be sent to live?
GREAT QUESTION - one solution could be, send every channel to a SEND and use that AUX SEND as your CUE / Headphones / Solo...
Love to know details on plugins and processing of each sections on the Bethel's service (it was hardware stuff now need a software part of it)
And
Any suggestions on how to mix separately in the box from Behringer x32 for Livestream without disturbing the house, iems feed?
Production online offers a class where Luke talks about audio broadcast!
@@isaactmeyer thanks
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That’s efficient
How much does that hole system cost?
This has changed my point of view on what to purchase for my studio, I don't have to break the Bank, and this has proved to me that it's all about the skills then the hardware and plugins come later. Hey Jake could you find out the specification of the iMac he is using bcz I want to get a computer that can handle heavy processing like that.
And thanks for your videos, shout out to Luke too. GBU.
The iMac Pro is a base model 2017. The mobile mixing laptop is a 2015 MacBook Pro i7, 16GB RAM.
Wow, this is impressive, Thanks for the reply, it means alot, time to look for the money to get the laptop.
I listen to bethel music, am inspired to produce music like that here in Uganda Africa. Recording Live gospel music is my ultimate goal. GBU sir.
how many channels?
Am I the only one that finds it sad, that the mixing isn´t happening on the console? Maybe it is becauase i was brought up with analog audio, but to me that seems like a waste. I know it probably works better that way, but still.
I think it can be done both ways! In the box has the benefit of instant recall for whatever you'd like or need to adjust, etc. Still, there's some extra magic that the board has... I agree...
Very cool video! Is it not overkill for having an analogue console just for the preamps, wouldn't a digital console fair better for their use case?
Analog (at least this kind of desk) sounds a lot better than a digital desk would. When they’re using the exact same setup to track their albums you see why they’ve literally turned their church auditorium into a full on recording studio with a massive live room.
That analog console is easy to get anywhere from $2000-$8000 dollars used. Much more cost efficient than paying the price for a digital console that can host 64 channels especially considering they are bypassing all the processing on the console.
@@stringmaster78 I mean they could have a Studio Live 32 mixer and pair it with a rack 32 and leave out the Apogee? The mixers are in the price range you give.
@@ryanj96 I thought digital consoles were preferred because of the way we use technology now (with all the plugins and live equipment). As for which sounds better, I don't know, I'm not well versed in that realm.
It's probably been there forever and no one wants to move something that big lol
On the portable setup ....how do u deal with monitoring for the band ? Or is that separate ?
I think that portable setup is only for the recording/broadcast mix. The FOH and Monitor guys probably have their own setups with the MADI
@@MixChecks There is a video that covers the portable set-up. they have 2 stage boxes, all inputs are split and go into each stagebox. One stage box is for FOH and monitors and broadcast share the other stage box with monitors controlling gain, I believe.
Hi Jake, great video, do you know if I can use Luke’s template in Cakewalk by Bandlab?
currently they only offer Protools, logic, studio one and abelton
Isaac Meyer thanks
How do they avoid latency from the plugins? I was expecting to see something like a waves server, but all the processing seems to be done on either an iMac or MacBook
I was able to get away with it in Logic using only the low latency plugins. I'm guessing that's what theyre doing. OR he neglected to show us the SoundGrid hiding somewhere ;)
Latency isn’t really an issue in this kind of setup and all they have to do is sync the audio with the video feed before it gets broadcasted. We’re talking 2-3 seconds max and there’s already gunna be a several second delay on the stream anyways. No waves server needed here!
The mix is done completely in the box, no server. The iMac Pro is a base model 2017. The mobile mixing laptop is a 2015 MacBook Pro i7, 16GB RAM. Less than 30% CPU is used on either machine. Latency is a non-issue, audio and video lines up perfectly. If you are having sync issues, OBS can sync it up for free!
Production Online are you using high RAM buffers to help ease the burden of recording and mixing? Or does using thunderbolt give more headroom that it’s just not an issue? I’ve tried this with FireWire and an x32 and it was a nightmare even with a usb3 SSD? Just curious what I’m missing ?
They adjust the plugin latency in Pro tools manually on each channel, I saw this in another Churchfront video where Jake was reviewing the Luke Hendricks template. The video is called "How to mix audio for broadcast..."
Me: I want to come look at everything in there.
*"There's nothing here worth looking at!"*
Do you live in sydney?
what was the other mixing device you where using besides the apple keyboard?
It's a Korg Nano Control 2
@@MixChecks thanks
How is it that theyre able to record and mix 64 tracks without running out of CPU?!
I could be wrong, but maybe some of the processing is being offloaded to HDX cards?
Very easy actually. Lukes explains all of this in the Broadcast class available at production online. When you run your buffer at the highest setting audio is fairly easy for a computer to handle.
@@darrenplace5562 Nope. All mixed in the box!
Isaac Meyer Very impressive!
@Adrian Moriconi What do you mean by CPU glitches randomly? And do you have suggestions as to how to overcome this?
I need some assistance can you assist me
Idk if I missed it but how does he send the audio from his mix to video world
mix in broadcast room they have source from video switch and source from audio and then combined it in something like streaming apps(OBS for example)
sorry if iam wrong
We get his audio via analog snake to another console in our control room then directly into our switcher.
@Anseios de um profeta That is true. However, I was mainly informing @the Refugees and @MCT Donuts that we get the audio from Luke into my switcher via Analog snake that get's pumped directly into our Switcher, then I send the video with audio embedded, SDI to Bethel TV into their streaming computer.
Chad Vegas what would you recommend for going from the mix straight into the switcher?
Thanks!!
Eliud Gonzalez i would just come out of your console directly into the switcher
what is the point of using a console, just for preamps
paying for that entire set of channel strips, only to use the preamps
an octo pre is like $400
and dante or an audio ip would be much more practical than a 3 way analog snake too
copper splits are still super valuable. each console has it's own preamp control, you can have a combination of consoles that you might prefer for each given job, without having to make sure they all talk the same language, copper is rock solid, and easily field serviceable, also was probably there from the days of analogue consoles.
Sawhorse Records an octopre preamp in price vs performance is not large enough to make a difference for the intended use
It’s gonna get streamed so the audio is all getting compressed at the tail
Even at 4K, there’s no need for an entire console, only to send it right back out after gain staging
Hell they could’ve just got some good a/d that had preamps in it already
Or go digital altogether
Dustin Thiessen if it what they already had, yeah that makes sense, but to say analog snakes are better than digital is a matter of opinion at most
Running a digital snake system is more practical and cost effective for future proofing, and provides a lot more flexibility with signal flow
Not to mention you don’t have to worry about physical degradation of signal over long runs of cable and or replace large amounts of cable as it wears and gets damaged
The whole setup here just feels wasteful and overkill for simply sending channels to pro tools for a rough mix down
Are they using standard Pro Tools or Pro Tools HD?
HD
That definitely doesn't look anything like my church! 😝
You sure? I think I can see a resemblance ;)
Lol... Well that's one way to do it.
This is more like a Mac and a nice surface to set the keyboard and mouse on. 😂
love that hiss on the whole fucking recording
Mattie? Matte?
@James Bates Multichannel Audio Digital Interface (MADI)
lol, he said the travel gear was affordable. lol
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It only costs a $20 subscription for unlimited storage definitely worth the money when you store as much data as they do.
WHat a waste of big beautiful console.
Heretical show over substantive truth.
Nice, tons of equipment but no good theology...
This is why churches should pay taxes
false church
Didn’t Jesus tear down extravagant temples full of religious leaders because it wasn’t his will? All this money should be spent protecting and serving the underserved. If there’s even one person that goes hungry in your town you guys should be ashamed. These productions serve no one but the people in the room.
Skip Brewer it also serves the thousands of people who watch their stream every week. Go check out how many views their songs have here on TH-cam and you’ll see how many lives they are affecting with this “production”