Delta Force Turned Down Osama Bin Laden Raid? Truth Revealed!
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- Why wasn't Delta Force chosen for the Osama Bin Laden mission? Why did SEAL Team 6 get the call? David Hookstead explains the real reason for why DEVGRU was chosen over The Unit.
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Why would anyone do that when your audio sucks so damn bad!!!
maybe ASK him why his audio is low. I BET he fixes it...Just my opinion Bro@@johnl-cz2qg
Wonder if McRaven regrets choosing DEVGRU because of the drama it caused in the unit and bad publicity Rob O'Neill has brought. Delta would've definitely been more quiet on the raid
Like they did for Saddam Hussein
Are you kidding? You do know that Biden said it was ST6 that conducted the raid. That meant the families of ST6 became targets along with ST6. The press ran with it. What do you think would have happened if Delta had done the raid? There are always ways for the press to find out things. Then rumor’s start. That is how this happened.
Rob has done nothing NSWC hasn't blessed....NSWC are our biggest drama queens who love publicity over anything else! None of the shit that comes out of it accurate and that goes for "Lone Survivor"....they approve what is out there and people go along with it.
I don’t know how much truth there is to it, but John “Shrek” McPhee, who was a Sgt Major in Delta (not subordinate to JSOC) at the time said CIA was withholding Intel, so they told JSOC to pound sand. McRaven gave the mission to DEVGRU.
@@josephmukoko674 who revealed delta took captured sadaam? Remember when he was initially captured other coalition forces and 4ID associated with his capture. It was not by an operator or by a member within the TF.
John McPhee was the one who said they weren't giving enough information on the target so they turned it down.
My dad’s good friend is with the
22nd SAS. The are practically identical, and if they where told to execute mission, they wouldn’t have a choice, they simply execute whatever mission comes their way.
And his (McPhee) statement that there wasn't a lot of intel on the mission given to the operators match what guy's from red squadron said. John's point was they offered a mission with no intel packet and they passed, it just so happened to be the UBL raid, which no one but the higher-ups knew at that time. I believe John.
@@jjducciNot necessarily true. They have latitude to accept/reject missions. For example, SEALs wanted to go in via Helo after both extortion and lone survivor happened but their leadership denied them and told their chain of command they would not be accepting that mission due to the risk.
@@jjducci pretty much (although they dont just execute they conduct the full targeting cycle to conduct those operations, no one goes in blind), US may be slightly different though. in the UK the director gets the 'tasks' and nominates the unit he thinks will be best....at HQ level there may be discussions to help advise the director in the case a particular group may be best matched.
but no SF unit is turning down a task. just imagine the impact that would have...it would literally put a black mark against them for future ops... no only that, the guys that hit those targets want nothing more than to deploy and get jobs done.
@@jjduccithat’s not true for tier one units in US. Particularly when missions can deem them deniable assets should something go wrong. Can’t speak to 22SAS
I don’t why we are trying to compare them or say which one is better. They are both ELITE (Tier 1) troops and we should appreciate them. Even when we watch operators on both teams talking, you can see that although they are very competitive, they have huge respect for one another.
When you are outside the wire none of that shit matters. Doesn’t matter if DEVGRU, Delta or SF you’re all brothers and have each other’s backs. DEVGRU, Delta, SF and Seals work together quite often.
Because…The Internet….and arguments on the Internet….by people sitting at home🤷♂️
Awesome times, huh🙄
Sick and tired of people from the U.S. calling units Tier 1, 2, 3, etc. Every unit in the SF world has a role to play and none work in isolation.
They shouldn't be competitive at all.
Because I'm a couch commander and I want to know, damnit
I’m 60 years old and for my money I don’t care who did it, Delta or 6, I’m just thankful they are both on our side and out there 24/7 365 days a year protecting America. Are there some “glory hounds”, of course, but that’s a small percentage. In my opinion Delta became famous and known after the Battle of Mogadishu, “black hawk down”, when Randy Shughart and Gary Gordon went to the second crash site and gave their lives to make sure Mike Durant wasn’t alone, LEGENDARY, they both received the Medal Of Honor posthumously!
Simply put the truth is admiral. McCraven, who is a seal, was commander of socom , and wanted DEVGRU to perform the mission simply because he is seal himself.
MacRaven said in his book that he wanted delta to run it but the squadron leader was out of country. He trusted another squadron leader who was from seal team six so they took it.
Commenting before watching full video to see if I am correct at the end of the video. From what multiple sources on The Shawn Ryan Show said was all other DEVGRU/DELTA Teams had eyes on them and the White House wanted the mission to be ultra quiet, had they moved a team already on a mission it would have drawn attention, the Operators selected for the mission all were in training or had cover stories that would not draw attention. They were able to assemble a team without even other teams hearing about the mission.
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Interesting to hear this. Annie Jacobsen said on Lex's podcast that CAG, DEV and SAD were all training for the raid in a rotation and the timing chosen for the raid meant Dev were the unit selected. So it was purely down to timing and could have been any of the three.
Not true. DEVGRU was picked because they were the unit in the AO. Moving units out of their AO would have caused too much attention. Had Delta been working in the area they would have been chosen.
Red squadron weren't even in theater. They were in the states. Gold and blue were over seas. So ur wrong about that
That's why they brought over a whole other squadron?
Were you there when the decision was made? Were you in JSOC?
Yeah he said that👌🏼thanks for your input
In the book relentless strike, it says that Gold squadron had the trident for that rotation, so it should have been them to do it. But for whatever reason, McRaven pulled red to do the mission.
The 75th Rangers could of done the UBL raid lol
Absolutely. They would’ve kept their mouths shut about it to.
Could have*** not ‘could of’
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But surley you wouldnt send them for something like that. Better with more mature operators, and the operation had no enablers on target. Only space for tier 1 SF.
@@cheekboy7247 I agree, I’m just saying that with all the direct action hits these Units had done prior to 2011, that it wasn’t that hard of a target to assault from a tactics perspective. The other aspect is the tier 1 units are much faster and consistent with their SSE procedures. They get alot more in depth training and instruction from the OGAs on how to look for and find intelligence material on every target they hit. Rangers just grab everything they see and exfill LOL
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Thank you to all of our operators REGARDLESS of branch/unit and all our service members.🇺🇸 Also, thank you for making this video.
Sounds like David Hookstead has been gettin some of them good Wes Watson vibes and I am liking it. C'mon Hookstead let's GO!
John Mcphee said in your interview that Delta was offered but they turned it down because Agency playing games? Whom do we trust ? You or SOB?
David thank you for bring up tora bora.
We all know they weren't even offered (Admiral McRaven's pick).
You obviously know nothing at all, lol.
@@mrhrobinson I know how to troll gullible people in TH-cam comments sections.
none of you know
According to the book "Relentless Strike" by Sean Naylor it was alawys going to be Devgru. There was to always be a Troop staged in Afghanistan with the thinking that OBL would be found somewhere along the pak/afghan border region and that the Devgru team would HALO in and conduct the mission
Delta being a good sport to their brothers in arms as always.
If any Delta Force member is reading this, respect to you guys. Thank you for your service 🫡
Very interesting. Also, go Huskers!!! 😉
lot of corruption going on in the seal teams rn.
Care to expand?
Nothing new with them lol
and No corruption in the Army units? Do people think before they make up stuff.
Of course there is, but not nearly as the corrupt culture issue as in the teams as other branches with units with bad apples, which is why they had top down investigations specifically into what’s plaguing the teams culture problem.
@odriguez3193 and you know this how? You work with the Army Criminal Investigation Division and compared notes with Naval Criminal Investigative Service? Are you military police, military lawyer or military judge? Why do kids write the dumbest $hiat on the net.
The real answer from McRaven himself (JSOC Commander at the time). He was promoted to CO of US SOCOM later in 2011.
"Finally, I would have to make a decision on the ground assault element. Would I choose Navy SEALs or Army special operations? There were only two men I trusted well enough to lead the ground operation. Both officers were extremely experienced in combat, both superb tacticians, and most importantly, I felt, both were consummate team players. With all the tension that would invariably develop as a result of this high-profile mission, I needed someone who could calmly build the joint operational team and not get overpressurized when the stakes got high. After checking the Afghanistan deployment schedule, I learned that the Army officer and his squadron had just deployed to Afghanistan. There was no way I could pull the officer and his leadership team out of Afghanistan and bring them back to the States without someone getting wind of a big operation. On the other hand, the Navy SEAL officer and his squadron had just returned from Afghanistan and were on leave for three weeks. Three weeks! It was the perfect cover for action. No one at his command would ask about his whereabouts. No one would miss him at work."
From my understanding area of operations is one part of it the other is that pulling teams from the respective home locations would arise suspicion so they took people who were still out and about.
Navy Admiral was in charge of JSOC. If it was an Army General it would have been Delta. It was two fold, ST6 was in the AO and the Navy preferred their personnel over Delta.
Who is behind turning down Dave's microphone?
The whole debate is silly.
The reason that the JSOC senior enlisted advisor gave us when we asked him the same question, he mentioned that OPSEC was a primary reason. He explained that DEVGRU was already operating in Afghanistan and had been there for a while, while CAG was more committed to operations in Iraq. So, the logic was that having DEVGRU stage from there, where they already had been operating for some time, would go largely unnoticed. While suddenly forward deploying CAG elements to BAF for staging might be noticed. Anyway, that's what we were told.
Dude, you are a soup sandwich. Stop talking, seriously!!
You need to turn up the volume on your mic, David.
I didn't think you got to pick and choose missions. Pretty sure that's not how the military works.
Mcraven had a lot to do with why they went he spoke on there behalf but both could have done it
You kind of right , but also , they looked at who was available with the numbers they needed and Delta came up short on the actual numbers they needed. As far as who's the best , they're both equally capable.
Also team 6 was already there. I think more than being “fair” the us government was worried bringing in delta could spook obl if he caught wind they were staging nearby.
I think the fear was that the ISA (Pakistani intelligence) which has many contacts in Afghanistan and was pretty much sheltering OBL in Pakistan
would pick it up if DELTA moved back into the theater.
The CIA/JSOC was likely worried that the ISA would relocate OBL or tighten the security around his home if they got wind of the US planning
an attack.
@@TheLAGopherISI*
If you were in the military then you know the gov't is NEVER fair, it's politics most of the time, it starts at the full bird promotion on up.
Dude just stop putting your foot in your mouth cool guy. DEVGRU had one squadron already there, but the squadron that was tasked for the UBL raid trained for quite some time stateside
I heard many reports of a few delta operators also on the raid not just team6. Also heard about 108 operators total did this raid
Right.
There were also politics at play with SEALs being in high places at the WH, agency, and NSC. This has been acknowledged by multiple SEALs. Also agree that Afghan/Pakistan was their AO.
Hmmmmmmm. Bob13
What makes sense to me is seal team 6 within weeks was opening up and telling anyone who would listen about the raid whole delta wouldn't have and Obama wanted info out there wanted this to be talked about to death it was one of his greatest achievements.
This is true. I lived in NYC all my life and felt the towers drop while taking a math test. I'll never forget the day the Bin Laden announcement came over the news. I felt jubiliation, then relief, then I felt weightless like i could be or do anything I wanted. I wasn't a child, but I was still young, and I imagined this being my achievement. I never felt so much goodwill towards everybody in the succeeding days; they weren't strangers but my fellow americans- we did this! I wanted to know more, but dad said the type of heroes who fight these types of crimes dont wear capes or have bat signals. Ultimately, the heroes did identify themselves lol, and people were pissed but I was thankful 😅. And I'm 50/50 on Obama but I was ever so happy with him because we had Bin Laden once before and the Bush administration didn't pull the trigger. Ironically, it was the delta boys. So yeah one of Obama's greatest achievements.
Shut up dude. Funny shit, I promise you would not say any of this drivel to any DEVGRU member
Seal team six was chosen because a major book publisher was waiting for a transcript from a seal😂
Don’t know, don’t care, mission accomplished by great group of professionals, public never needed to know how it went down, except for the politics of finally getting the green light
For real. People would find something to bitch about if the Army did it.
Wasn't it the Army's ODAs and Delta in Afghanistan months before the Seals?
Yeah. But went the Iraq War kicked off,DELTA claimed that AO because that was where the action was,while DEVGRU was relegated to Afghanistan
which was pretty much a backwater theater until Obama made it the primary theater in GWOT around 2010.
Negative. First in Afghanistan was CIA SAD linking up with the Northern alliance in late September, then in October first ODA teams arrived, shortly after in November on the ground was rangers, seals, British SAS/SBS and other special forces units from different countries. Some seals were attached to SBS and one seal take part in the fighting at Qala I Jangi prison uprising in the end of November 01. Delta and DEVGRU arrived probably at the same time in late November /early December. Delta was send to Tora Bora, but DEVGRU was on standby without much of a action in their way until Operation Anaconda.
ur correct being a attachment for them in puchi ghar cia was running the show, delta was there and seals and team of green berets@@abanizergenov8104
ODA, was first US Military boots on ground, they took over for CIA
Yep, when Gen. McChrystal took charge of JSOC, he made DEVGRU the main SMU in Afghanistan and CAG the main SMU in Iraq. He also made them work and deploy together in each AO in small numbers. If it was in Iraq, CAG would've done it.
Exactly, it was a matter of Devgru's AOR was Afghanistan and Delta' was iraq.
Looking at the geography of both countries and considering the specialities of each unit, it sounds like they got it exactly backwards.
Dude, can you get a pop filter for your mic?
Your volume way too low. Even at mx I can't hear you
I'd like to see a series of CTF between each DEVGRU squad, Delta, Etc to see which group really is tops. Then take the top two guys from each squad among all tier 1 operators and make a tier Z (Zed) force that could own every DEVGRU and Delta squad.
Also, the area wasn't Red Teams AO. It was another squads, but they didn't want to pull that squad off nightly OPs cause reasons. Red Team just happened to have been rotated ack to the US. They choose Red Team cause they could be isolated at area 51 to train in the specially prepared kill house without anyone missing them, without having to shuffle anyone around, without changing deployment schedules etc, and of course they have the skills for it
And those are the the reasons Red Team was tapped for the operation.
Well there are Delta operators that say that it was turned down because there was not enough intel to go on. And the one that made the call to send the seals is a seal fanboy.
DEVGRU AND DELTA FORCE ARE EQUAL AND THEY ALL KNOW IT
Whoa whoa did yall forget that story from the ranger guy who was pissed that seal team was getting the credit for killing Osama Bin Laden
AOR ---- Area of responsibility and AO is within the AOR. Otherwise correct ...but this has been known for a long time.
Delta are silent profesionals. Seal team 6? Deepends on the people who went in the spotlight. DJ Shipley is a defenition of a true warrior. Plus, dude never boosted himself or his actions. Always down to earth guy.
With all due respect your audio on this video is similar to Seal Team 6.....it sucks!! Apart from that you’re good to go. Enjoyed the video and will subscribe.
I believe they were chosen because of operation iron eagle in 1986 when SAS had to save USA butt
Afghanistan was DEVGRU's battlespace, Iraq was Deltas. There was always a DEVGRU squadron in Afghanistan during the war. It had nothing to do with either being chosen.
So did i miss understand Shrek or is one of my favorite people full of it?? Yes ,your interview is responsible for this Rumour..What the heck partner??
This video and comments are entertaining. Spec ops leading the game with spreading misinformation, and passing onto others to spread more misinformation.
It's cute that you think the selection was made based on what was "fair" to the groups. I'm sure, as this mission was being drawn up and they discussed who to task, someone said, "Well, we don't wanna hurt DEVGRU's feelings, so we better pick them." :rolleyes:
I will answer then listen to your video. Two things come to mind. Admiral McRaven was in charge of DEVGRU at that time. He was a former SEAL. Also I believe Delta was doing their thing in Iraq and the SEALS were doing their thing in Afghanistan. With that said I don’t think Delta could have done any better than the SEALS did. How both of these units adapt and accomplish their missions is outstanding.
It was a cookie cutter mission by the time ST6 got him in Pakistan.
According to McRaven’s book “Sea Stories” as well as his interview on Jocko’s podcast Delta did not have any squadrons available to do that mission so it went to ST6. ST6 was the right choice anyway, not because they are more capable than Delta on land but because Afghanistan was their main AO since about 2002.
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That is BS. McRaven was the head of DEVGRU at the time and was an ST6 operator during his service. Delta operated in Iraq, ST6 operated in Afghanistan. It was a simple call.
@@jimpowell2296 No. McRaven was in charge of JSOC. He could have used either TIER 1. In my opinion DEVGRU are a tighter unit because they have been under 1 community for years. Delta picks their operators from different communities and even branches but that doesn't guarantee they will be tight together on their first deployment.
In 2011
Afghan largely belonged to Dev
Iraq largely belonged to CAG
JSOC Commander was a SEAL at the time. Not too hard to figure out.
Anyone that says Dev is better than CAG is hilarious 😂😂😂
Even the (highly capable) 75th could have hit that target and the same EXACT result would have happened
bud, I was in Regiment. Dev is MUCH better than Regiment. At the end of the day, a unit sinks to the lowest level of its members. In batt, this means a PVT fresh out of RASP. You can't train to any higher level than that. That is why tier 1 units take experienced guys. Dev is not like a whiteside SEAL team where they have to stoop to the training of their lowest member which would be a guy fresh out of SQT. There were many complexities to that mission that you have absolutely no clue about. Your comment is enormously disrespectful to the tier 1 elements of the US. Unlike the entire comments section, I have actually worked with both teams. If you think CAG is better than Dev, you're on crack. Both units were phenomenal and we Rangers loved learning from them. P.S. hate to burst your bubble but there are BUD/s quitters in CAG lol. And btw, ik some extremely questionable Rangers who made it to CAG. I'm sure the same can be said for Navy side. Anybody who engages in this debate has a room temperature IQ. And it's embarrassing to see these washed up boomer CAG guys who couldn't do anything outside of the military and are jealous of Dam Neck's attention so they talk crap about them online. DEVGRU and CAG are the same!! This channel is absolutely pathetic. The dude is a clear CAG fanboy and acts like he has access to classified information yet he has no idea what he spews. And the stupid youtube algorithm keeps showing me his trash content which it seems an alarming number of people actually fall for. I was equally blown away by both units and if you ask anyone who's worked with both who doesn't have an axe to grind, you'll get the same answer. And you can bet your ass that there are guys at DEVGRU better than CAG operators and vice versa. Now, in terms of the raid, yes this host finally got something right for once. However, it wasn't out of "fairness." It's just how AORs work. AFG/Pak would've been DEV. Iraq/Syria would've been CAG. Same thing with Yemen and Somalia being DEV. Mali is CAG. Unlike 12 yr olds in the comments section or CAG boomers with an axe to grind, actual Pentagon decision makers view both units as interchangeable equally capable tier 1 assets.
not that I don't trust you, but I trust Admiral McRaven's statement more, and you are not saying the same.
Vice Chair of Chief of Staff was the Seal. He lets his guy. No way hell, SEAL guys coming to the compound and taking of Osama unless security is extra heavy by Delta, Rangers, and Green Beret.
Not sure if it had anything to do with it being “fair” I think it was based off the the fact that the SEAL guys had a tactical advantage with that being where they operated having assets, intell etc. would of been same for delta in Iraq like was stated.
Just imagine if general mccrystal never called Biden Joe bite me. I am sure Devgru wouldn’t have been the ones to taken on this mission. Mccrystal = army general while McRaven = navy admiral, it’s pretty clear once you look at it at that perspective. But David is right, if you hear interviews from a lot of CAG operators, a lot of them talk about putting in a lot of work in Iraq. They went hard on full assaults practically every night raids in Iraq. They were losing a lot of guys due to the massive usage in Iraq. That is a fact.
Seal Team 6 has better Beach Parties.
sound is terrible,
-24.4dB
100000% True... Hopefully we could put this stupid debate to bed...
It could have something to do with Adm. Michael Mullen being The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Said the same thing. A large part of it was political, as well as being their AO.
yeeet
Delta force may be arguably the best, but seals are the toughest. No doubt
I heard that devgru got the job because delta was deployed and pulling them off would have raised eyebrows.
Both are deployed all the time. Both are tier 1 under JSOC. Does it matter which TIER 1 JSOC used? Why are people crying? is not like there was a lack of killing and destruction during both wars.
It was the same with the British, SBS AO was Afghanistan and SAS was Iraq.
This dude is a Delta fanboy
And rightly so. They are the best. I'd say SAS/SBS are second. As the SAS and SBS guys pointed out, Delta gets a lot more money for training and gear and have a lot more resources. Amd then there's the number of real-world missions. At this point, it's no contest. They learned from SAS and have gone to a different level.
More like a Delta "fluffer" for god sake don't ever tell him about the "ted-flag" traing mission in the Philippines where the Marine Raiders took out Tujunga their entire squadren with only 2 lost Raiders. They didn't away cried cheeting and not comparing ROEs....Bull Shit and boo hoo!
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@@GOJIRA-Texas you just made that up. Both are TIER 1 under JSOC. Both get mad money for training. The difference is DEVGRU all are Combat Divers while 1 out of 6 Army SF are. They will never send DELTA to take over a ship on dock or at sea or an oil rig or lock from a submarine anywhere in the world at any given time. That's always DEVGRU. You are dumb.
@@deathfire096 You are dumb in pointing out the differences between the two units. It is well known which unit to use for each mission profile. You must be in basic training 101.
@@crusher8017 I guess you run JSOC. Lay off the crack.
First I'd like to confirm that Delta Force is a very good special ops unit. But let's also tell the truth, if you put every Delta Force operator through BUDS, not Green Team, 90% of them would ring the bell. That doesn't mean Delta's aren't great shooters, they are. But what it does mean is that when the shit hits the fan in a combat situation, when all seems lost, any Seal is better than any Delta Force operator. Why? Because a Seal will not quit for any reason. That ocean separates the Men, (The Seals), from the boys, (Delta Force). That ocean will crush your will to continue the mission. That's the reason Seal Team Six was chosen to kill Bin Ladin, because of that "Mental Toughness".
May 2011, also the last time the Army was in any positive media about the military ever lol. The Marines and SEALs are eating the Army's lunch these days. If I had a quarter for every time someone on Reddit or TH-cam has told me "The Marines are America's offense, the Army is an occupational force that comes in later" I'd be a rich man.
If true bad choice
Actual Delta was assigned another mission that was scheduled to happen at the exact same time going after at the time a secret nuclear facility in Iran. When the TFO team setting the E&E lane in was captured their mission was scrubbed. #realreason
Ask the SOCOM Commander at the time Admiral McRaven. But he probably does not want to talk about it.
Actually yes he was SOCOM commander but this was a JSOC mission.... different wheel house....Hell the CIA's SOG could have done that mission.
He wrote about it and why he picked STS
Delta, if they did the mission, would not have brought themselves into the limelight, would not have Operators who lied about who did what, and the Squadron used would not have been disbanded, like ST6's Red.
Tell that to task force ranger lmao get outta here with that shit. I see so many more delta guys yapping off left and right. Usually pretty wrong too
And Extorion 17 wouldn't of happened...
thats the most retarded shit i've ever read. Deltas never been associated with downed helicopters? LMAO yeah buddy good luck with that.@@dustyrhodes1655
@@drewsky-pr4bj Did you miss the reference? TFR was in the Mog in '93 for Operation Gothic Serpeant. Many Delta's were in Helo's and some lost their lives. But you were probably not born then. Read history before making comments or in my case, been there done that.
like nothing you said makes any point what so ever. It is a lie that nobody knew delta deployed to Mogadishu as task force ranger. Its even discussed in the book black hawk down that the media were already dropping their name before the Taskforce even deployed. Second, while the main delta assault force were brought on helo(most fast roped from black hawks, not flying in on the little birds like in the movie), the only Delta commandos on the helos after the assault force touched down were the snipers on the helos, I believe if my memory serves, it was super six 1 and 2 that carried the snipers, hence the reason Daniel busch(one of the delta snipers) was able to defend super six 1 after it crashed until the CSAR was launched. So no, there weren't "many deltas" on the helos. Most were on the ground that day. And where did you think Mark Bowden got all his info on the battle before the dust settled? Delta commandos that gave interviews to him. SO Delta brought attention to themselves. The narrative that delta is "more secretive" is a joke. Devgru didn't even become known in the media until the Obama years, and I blame his shitty admin with that as they clearly tried to use Devgru's successes for political gain. You all should look up Thomas Greer and the interview he gave back in 2008 on CNN about delta and the battle of Tora bora. An officer giving interviews and writing a book(kill bin Laden) before any mention of devgru in the media. Delta were in fact the darlings until bin Laden. And why the hell would anybody believe the killing of bin Laden would be kept secret? I mean that's pretty freaking naive. Obama talked about the raid before any SEAL did. Obama had authors interviewing the members involved so that an official account could be written and spun for political purposes. The guys who spoke out did so because of the political manipulation being spun by Obamas admin. Very different motives than "dalton fury" wanting to write a book about a failed attempt to kill bin Laden at Tora bora.@@crusher8017
Who are these people that want to know and why does it matter. If they sent in the Boys Scouts of America and they pulled it off then so be it. This debate about which tier one group is better than the other is stupid. People who read comic books debate that way.
That is why I am so tired about the Yanks making units into Tiers. Every unit has a speciality. Very simple.
It was all territory… each special operations units controlled certain areas .. osama happened to be where devgru was in charge of
Your volume is too low...
Most of the ops Delta pulled in Libya blow the doors off the UBL raid. Al-Imam was even extracted by the unit to a navy ship. So CAG plays just fine in the water
Do you have any recommendations/ sources to view the Libya raids you're talking about?
David, you're mic is so low that I have to increase my volume. Then a commercial comes on and blasts my ears. Don't know if it's your mic, or YT. Fyi.
Don’t forget about S.A.C. that was involved on the raid…
3:55 ur welcome
Well there are politics I’m sure behind the scenes and who was on rotation at the time blue or green? We also have to account for JSOC and how newly integrated agencies were incorporated into the bull pen as it were - thank Stan Gen. Stan McChrystal for nexus of nexus. Also look at divergence of assets once Iraq War II kicked in and the whole push pull of priorities between AOR1 and AOR2 - just read about TF Jawbreaker we had too few sensors and regional experts in Afghanistan.
We also have to take into account that at the time NSW have never owned land as combatant commanders till 2010/2011 if I recall correctly - look Navy saw allocation of monies behind FID - the Marines quickly picked up on this after validation in Afghanistan / MARSOC OIF9
It comes down to combatant commander(s) that owned what land where & funding 💰
This subject has become a circus for $$. Youve got CAG guys dissing Rob for lying and pleading for him to come out with the truth over the killing. Everyones writing a book and glorifying their sales pitch. What tier 1 groups behaves this way? Seriously, its like being in a school yard with teenaged boys chasing a ball. Its so unprofessional and an insult to any tier 1 group. I do not believe US based tier 1 assets are all they're made out to be. Theyre motivated by glory and name. You will find tier 1 SFs in other countries live in complete professional secrecy. They may not have all the bells and whistles but theyre training and delivery is far better in my opinion. Anyone who has served overseas will appreciate this. Polands GROM, Russia's Alpha and also Turkish SAT or MAK are worthy of being noted. Many who served in Iraq and Syria will know that Turkish SFs were in and out all the time right under Russian and US controlled areas. I remember when the Russian propped Assad regime bombed a Turkish base. The response was sharp, swift and enabled Turkey a significant footprint in large areas that they still hold to this day.
It’s one CAG guy talking out and he’s full of himself
Couple of Questions on this 1?
Can the US Military send personnel to a country that the US isn't at war with?
Suppose 1 person died on that mission? -Could it be public?
Delta Force has to apply to the normal articles of ENGAGEMENT?
Being the TARGET is a HIGH VALUE, why wasn't it a JOINT VENTURE?
Perhaps DELTA FORCE didn't want the ATTENTION?-Example SADDAM
None of the above.
There would have at least been 5 less books, 478 less podcasts, and 3 or so less coffee enemas.
Seal Team 6 was chosen because the head of SOCOM was a high ranking naval officer and he showed favoritism to towards naval unit!!!
I suspect it’s not even a consideration of “fair” it’s who has been operating in the AO that has better familiarity with the environment etc. Tye team that conducted the raid was not in country at the time they trained for it stateside and then went in to conduct the specific operation so the team in theatre wasn’t distracted with their daily missions by the train up. Emotionally everyone in uniform wanted to be in on that operation I think that is safe to say for sure.
Delta and ISA are the quiet deniable chaps that no one hears about. Obviously this wouldn't be something ISA would do but the principle remains true. Success or failure this would have created a lot of publicity, this is definitely a factor why they chose SEALs as even 6/devgru are quite well known in popular culture. Whether they like it or not SEALs do often get used to shift awareness off other units. It's a good thing too. All countries need some units that are kept under wraps properly and out of the public eye.
😮Thought it was just Seals had Afghanistan and Delta had Iraq and Syria ?? Sorry typed that before i finished the vid
I have to say, it doesn't sound right that a Military unit would 'turn down' a mission. At the end of the day they are in the army if they were asked to plan and implement such an operation I don't think it would be for them to say, 'No sorry, not for us we'll pass' ...Sounds like a duty rumor started by a civvy. but hey how am I to say...
If Delta did it we would have known the details only, nothing about the participants!
says who? No Delta ever wrote a book? NO Delta gives interviews. The founder of DELTA was the one writing books before the SEALs.
I was under the impression Delta got Saddam so ST6 got UBL and swear I've heard other Delta guys say the same. Then again I'm some chode on the internet.
Very cookie cutter mission, heck a regular Infantry Plt. could have executed it. Basically fly in, raid a undefended house, do SSE and go home.
Riiiggghhhttt. Why do think infantry join SF? To improve thier skills. But they are no CT experts.
As. Far as i. Know. It. Came. As. A. Direct. Order. From a. Big time. Shot-Caller
McRaven is the reason
100% accurate but why are you treating this like you are breaking the news or you are the first person to confirm this? Sean Naylor wrote this in Relentless Strike (2015), Bill O'Riley wrote this in Killing the Killers (2022), McRaven stated this in interviews, Mick Mullroy from GB said this on The Team House ..
I heard it wasnt even O'Neil that clacked UBL. That he just takes credit and splits the $ with the real clacker jist like Latrell and his guys only fought 20 or so of the tally and just got out maneuvered. These guys just want to sell books and speaking opportunitys. When the truth is something that doesnt sell, they just lie. Call salesmen with a 416 instead of used car lot.
I thought Obama took out bin laden !
Seal team 6 was tasked with the raid because they were in the rotation ! And also Mcraven is a navy guy !