The Velocipastor has been covered by a good bit of the commentary community but I think you'd have fun looking into it and similar movies lmao. Or maybe the smosh movie? I never watched it personally.
I never knew Anna’s movie existed because of the publicity Shane’s movie was getting at the time. I never watched it nor saw it anywhere to watch. It seems like a much better watch than Shane’s embarrassment.
I think the worst part of everything is that Shane, an already highly successful youtuber, won $250,000 while the other director got nothing, despite having a better movie and a greater need for the money.
I was about to comment the same thing, and then he had the nerve to say he won cause he's movie was better, like we don't know his fans play a huge part in the whole thing. What a douchebag
My favorite part of this whole display, is when Zachary Quinto announced with utter disgust that he’s removing his name from and refuses to have any association with Shane’s movie during the The Chair. It’s pure gold
Your Son no it was supposed to be decided by judges but then went to popular vote. Shane has a huge platform even then, she was a film student and obviously didn’t have that kind of advantage. Shane got his fans to vote and the fans were able to beat the anti-cheating systems in place. So of course he won. He has a leg up so it was definitely stolen from her.
It really does! Directors playing a secondary role is fine, but casting yourself not only as the MAIN CHARACTER but also the stereotypical hot, cool guy is just...so conceded.
Both movies were given the same exact budget, yet "Not Cool" looks much more low budget than "Hollidaysburg". Tbh, "Hollidaysburg" looks really high quality.
I think it’s because Shane produced his movie like a long TH-cam video, no concern for lighting except “bright enough to see”, no concern for framing and angle except “everyone is in frame”, there’s absolutely no artistry to the cinematography in Not Cool.
I hated how many different characters Shane played in not cool. He said he wanted it to be an actual genuine movie but it came off as a giant TH-cam sketch. And an unfunny one at that.
Right? How were we ever supposed to take his lead character seriously as a heartthrob when he’s playing other, weird characters like he thinks he’s Eddie Murphy? It doesn’t really work in this context. Plus, his character acting is just awful and weird. And he’s played that same character a million times on his own channel. We get it, you hate women.
I really like the way she had Tori talking about how cool and hot Scott and Heather were, while showing them on the screen looking kind of sad and lost. It created this juxtaposition between the way Tori views them and who they are.
Damn, the funny thing is, as awful as Not Cool truly is I at least gave him some credit for coming up with the story. But now I learn that he just ADAPTED source material he didn't even come up with and turned it into pure garbage. Wow. That's borderline insulting, even worse than I thought.
In The Chair you see him suggest (demand more like) things for the writer to add in and change in their script. You also see him later on being like "shouldn't I get co-writer credit bc I suggested these things?" and everyone was like "uhhh no". That's not how movies work Shamey Spears.
Yeah I same. I watched Not Cool back in the day and thought it was really bad but I was like "Well at least the annoying heartthrob guy trying to learn to leave high school days and high school glory in the past is a pretty interesting and touching story. Not one we see that much". Hearing that he didn't come up with that when it's literally the only interesting thing about the movie and worse that he completely made it trash is just so extremely underwhelming.
Anne T Ngo “Shamey Spears” I know it was a joke, but don’t ever disrespect Brittany Spears, or her sister Jamie Spears with Shane Dawson again. They are saints compared to him...💔🤢🤮
Yeah Chris Moore, executive producer of The Chair, had said shane’s film was the more “mainstream”..... huh??!?!! I mean I guess but teen comedies were starting to become a parody of themselves then and the “idyllic romance” teen movies were more popular then because John Green and Stephanie Meyer.... regardless Hollidaysburg imo is definitely more mainstream. It looks like your standard romcom cult classic... like what the actual fuck lmao
I'd watch Hollidaysburg and come out saying "well that was a cute movie." it's a movie I'd only watch once, but I wouldn't hate it. I'd watch Not Cool and be pissed that I wasted an hour and a half when my time would've been better spent doing something like doing my taxes or watching a documentary about top soil
absolutely. I was roughly 14 when they came out (so apparently Shane's target audience) and I feel like we'd have turned on 'Not Cool' at a sleepover and then switched to 'Hollidaysburg" when it got too gross
Anna Ou Preach! Shame Dawson is NOT a heartthrob...never has been, never will be! Just calling it as it is...not everyone is universally good looking, and in this case, Shame is everyone! 😝
as somebody w/ an eating disorder its so uncomfy to watch cause its so obvious shane hates himself and is trying to not appear in a way which will make him feel fat and it just makes his character seem reeeeeaaaaallllllyyyy insecure
im literally so mad anna could've made hollidaysburg even better than it was if she wasn't given like 2 dollars, a shoelace, three weeks, and producers who think eating shit is funny
@@Froggele yes but that is an incredibly incredibly small budget for a feature film, especially a union film. not even talking in comparison to shane's, just in general they were both really set up to fail given such a limited time frame and budget. i think if anna's film had been given a real production timeline and a real budget it would've solved a lot of her issues, whereas with shane, he could've had 100 million and still delivered garbage.
Priscilla Rapp Sure, there is more you can do the more money you can spend but considering both of them were first time directors that‘s not a small budget. I studied theatre and film and we made movies with far less money. From what I have heard from other comments and the video Anna‘s main issues were poor time management and indecisiveness and none of that could have been fixed with more money. Of course I am not disagreeing that a higher budget most of the time raises the quality of a movie but $850,000 really isn‘t that small of a budget.
@@Froggele i totally don't question movies can be made for less, im a filmmaker too, but because they were a union production they had significantly higher expenses. for example, no one could work for free, no one could perform two jobs for one salary, they had to pay overtime, etc. also, i don't think she was necessarily bad at time management, i think she wanted the time to create and direct on set when really there was only time to set up, get the shot you need in under four takes, and move on. that's especially hard to do when you've only had a week or so of rehearsal with the cast and you're the type of person who likes to have options in the editing room. she definitely had issues for a first time director but a lot of them i think came from the tiny time frame which was the fault of the budget
depressed heather is so relatable?? i feel like she’s a realistic representation of a depressed teen. it’s obviously not perfect but it feels so much more realistic than Shane’s movie
That's why he chose the holiday season, christmas, snow, cold, JACKETS AND LAYERS and all of that. You know? I kinda feel for him. He seems to be stuck in that highschool prom queen crap.
Also, the "she speaks Indian on the phone to her parents" joke could've been replaced with literally any other non-white dominant race and the joke would have still made sense. It's not specific to Indian people so not stereotyping/insensitive to them.
Not to mention unlike Shane’s jokes in Not Cool, the punch line isn’t Indian people talk weird. It’s that the girl who made that comment is a racist idiot.
I think part of the joke is also that "Indian" isn't an actual language (as opposed to Hindi or one of the many other languages spoken in India). It's like saying American people speak "American".
Her movie was definitely the favorite when it came down to basically everyone who was involved with The Chair and the test audience. But sadly it was down to a vote, which meant Shane could use his massive amount of fans to win, whether he wants to admit that or not. Hell, Zachary Quinto even took his name off of Shane's movie. Not because of the content even, but because of how belligerent Shane was being.
@@kaemincha no zach definitely took off his name because of the actual content of the movie. there was racial jokes, sexual assault jokes, it was baaaad.
Yep. It was by fan votes and shane had w million to 2 million fans at the time and Anna was completely unknown. It was obvious he was going to wrongfully win from the beginning. Smh
@@nomdeplume2213 This is why it pissed me off when someone in my school would get shortlisted for an art competition, and the principal would tell us to go online and vote for them. Like, why vote if it's not for the art itself?
It's sad because there was probably some actual drama and sibling rivalry and even actual laughs to be had between Not Cool!Tori and her sister, and their interactions. Like, maybe the sister grew up blind, so maybe she grew up with people underestimating her and trying to shelter her, and as a result she's a giant overachiever/"perfect child"/type A personality, and that makes Tori feel like a loser for being normal/not an unusually high achiever (plus the person who's out-competing her is blind, so because she's internalized that like most people in an ableist society, that makes it even more shameful-feeling to Tori). But then at the climax of the movie (although ideally it would have been set up throughout in various smaller ways), maybe Tori finds out that her sister is going through burnout right now as a result of trying to fit into the "inspirational disabled person who 'overcomes' their disability," narrative and valuing herself based on what other people think of her that way for most of her life, and she's not so perfect after all (and the stuff she achieves that makes her seem so "perfect" to Tori is actually borne out of a similar sense of defiance against norms and people's expectations and society, to the one Tori exhibits with her sarcasm). Bonus: either the sister's fiancee Gil could have been one more expression of that (like at the time she accepted his proposal because she wanted to be able to be like, "see, even though I'm blind, I'm still attractive enough to an abled man that he wanted to marry me!"), or conversely, we could see him being supportive of her at this period in her life while she figures stuff out and being really sweet and cute, in spite of how goofy/inept I assume he can also come off (like presumably that's why they had the joke-line about "I have to drink a lot in order to accept Glenn the way he is"). Anyway this is why, on top of everything else wrong with "Not Cool," you also need co-writers or sensitivity editors from whatever group you're trying to write about convincingly, if you're not part of that group yourself. It was a missed opportunity (yet another missed opportunity), imho.
Shane made thefromerly lesbian sister into a blind sister? He traded a sexual preference for a disability for laughs. Did no one notice this is bit tasteless?
Mana T definitely rooted in misogyny. it’s very telling that he removes all the gay female characters and replaces it with gay men, jokes about gay men etc.. so lesbophobia and some added misogyny i guess
Shane's movie is like me writing a 4000 word essay and it crashed so now i have to fumble through my memory to write it 30 minutes before deadline and Anna's is my lost file: forgotten and never seen but superior 👁👄👁
Shane's version really gives insight into how he sees the world. For him, his characters don't need to show their personalities - they just need to outright state what their personality traits are. We know Scott is regimented - not because he acts like it, but because someone downright says it. And then look at Shane and his behaviour. He doesn't need to show empathy or sensitivity - he just needs to tell us he's a sensitive empath. He doesn't need to actively show change - he just needs to tell us he's changed. And this logic also explains how he thinks he can get away with certain behaviours. Sure, he's done racist and predatory things, but he's not racist or predatory - how do we know this? Because he told us! He doesn't realise that part of who you are is what you do. It's not enough to just use words.
exactly what I was thinking while watching... Nick's critique of the "you're so regimented" line was reminiscent of that clip of all the times Shane has said he's an empath (maybe a Dangelo Wallace video). It's creepy af.
very good connection. to Shane it's enough to tell you that he's a good empath despite showing you everything to the contrary. He gets to tell you that he's a good person and actually gets to be a bad person. Some of the few analogous instances where he did "show not tell" are when he fake cried, so he acts when he's supposed to be sincere in documentaries and does not act (well) when he's supposed to be playing a fictional character.
While A.M's movie wasn't perfect, you can tell that she really has a respect for the art of film making and did the best she could do with the material that she had and thought of creative ways to overcome the difficulties and flaws of her film. Seeing this side by side, Not Cool is even MORE terrible than I thought, which I didn't think was possible.
Mukochaki yeah A.M. and her husband and brother in law and her producers should have won, not just her specifically because let’s be real they all coddled her through the process
@@TooHooWrong just her entire team in general. I thought every aspect of the movie was 1000 times better than Shane's. That also has to do with the fact that she actually took criticism, unlike Shane.
exactly this! it honestly kind of frustrates me that shane was soo convinced that he deserved that win, even though he couldn’t even put in enough effort to actually internalize the criticism he received and use it to make a better movie. he was so haughty and it came off as him just wanting to be in charge rather than actually wanting to create something meaningful.
Shane shouldn’t have won, full stop. His film just seems so lazy compared to Anna’s. If it wasn’t a popularity contest Not cool wouldn’t have stood a chance!
I was only 13 at the time and even then I knew that this whole challenge was set up in a horribly unfair way considering one person started with MILLIONS OF FANS and the other one is starting from nothing. I hope she managed to keep that in perspective and is going places with her film career
@@merrybright5732 It really isn't a fair contest when you think about it. It wasn't two nobodies competing against one another. One was a "nobody" and the other was a popular youtuber that already had his built in fanbase of underage fans(a lot of whom wouldn't exactly know better and would just vote because...they liked Shane).
Even the look of the two movies is different. Shane’s looks sitcomish and Hollidaysburg looks cinematic. The camera quality isn’t hyper saturated. It’s real. HD film camera, but it feels real.
LOL right? The same people who defend his original skits by saying "It was 2006, it was a different time." As someone who was 19 in 2006, it wasn't THAT different. Most of us knew what he did was offensive as f**k. Honestly just kind of surprised that so many people (newer fans) weren't aware of it all until recently.
I think the thing that upsets me the most about Shane’s film and him in general, is his complete lack of respect for other people. He thinks he’s a comedic genius for being every form of prejudice and disgusting in the book and it’s unbelievably annoying.
Yeah watching the series when it premiered made my respect for him go to not existent to actively being put off by him. He's a spoiled brat and still is.
“Yes, I am a liar. ...You look *really* nice today, by the way.” I didn’t expect such a smooth delivery of that, so I honestly laughed so hard my dog came to check on me lmao
Also "not cool" is shot exactly like an icarly episode, every location felt like one of those cheap film sets while hollidaysburg looked gorgeous and the locations were highlighted to bring more depht to the town
Right that so stuck out to me. Do they think the hymen is a seal all the way over the vaginal opening? You can use tampons with an unstretched hymen (because it only actually breaks with trauma) because it's basically a meat donut. There's plenty of space for a baby carrot, approx the same size as a tampon, without breaking it! Unless she had an actual imperforate hymen which is a pretty rare medical issue someone should go to the doctor for.
I guess the fact that he tried to use a blind person as the joke is what makes me uncomfortable. But youve got a point. Even if he went with the original script he still would have made lgbt jokes, disappointing
sophie a yes exactly. Like. The struggle my sister faces and will have to face (she’s only 11 right now) are just not a joke. But to him, because he doesn’t struggle with it and doesn’t care, it is just a crazy joke he can make to a young audience at someone else’s expense. If my sister grew up like I did, where something like this can be seen as okay to a wide audience, she would be heartbroken.
I'm partially blind right now, but for a few years i was completely blind (couldn't do shit by myself, it was and it still is very traumatic, and very hard. but even then, i made jokes about it.) I have an illness that heavily affects my eyesight; i can barely see right now, but this can change again anytime, without a warning. i personally don't mind jokes about being blind, i can laugh at pretty much everything. i think humor is a way to cope with trauma. i love stand up comedy, and dark humor. BUT it needs to be done right. Shane isn't a comedian, and he doesn't accept feedback. There's not set up and not punchline, nothing that comes out from him is funny. his "jokes" are just plainly insults or dumb lines. Comedy is an art, and it requires a lot of study and practice; which Shane never did and never cared to learn. That's the issue. that he comes off like it's above everything and everyone. but again, if it's done right i don't think that there's a topic that you can't touch.
SofiApple I think a “joke” about being blind isn’t always offensive if being blind isn’t the punch line and it’s not degrading. I think the issue with Shane’s character was that he played into every stereotype, made her stupid, and it really rubbed me the wrong way the was she was using the stick thing (idk the name sorry 🥴) by just waving it all over the place. It was like it was a prop to make her even funnier.
The difference between the two becomes clear almost immediately. A.M. made a movie with the elements given to her and did her best to make believable, relatable characters and plot. Shane took the directions and made a movie glorifying himself.
I can’t get over the fact that he cast himself as the hot popular guy and literally had the main girl talk about how hot he is...LMAO it comes across as so self-obsessed
@@PeppyPipLBP Right? What really drives it home for me is he not only cast himself as the lead, self obsessed teen heart throb, he also casts himself as the popular mean girl who bullies the other characters. It's like he wanted to be Zach Efron and Regina George and not only could he not decide he utterly failed at both.
Same! I assumed she was a very minor character so to see her as a lead and the other love interest rather than seeing the other love interest as just Shane’s sister which doesn’t really make sense as much
Melissa Smith Yeah because she was only in 2-3 parts of the movie, and after the scene in the bathroom it felt like she was kinda forgotten. She was just a crutch for Scott’s ego. Also she wasn’t given any of those introspective, first-person moments like the other leads
Honestly even the trailer of holidaysburg just completely destroyed the whole of "Not Cool". the most pathetic thing is that shane actually tried to validate his win by saying that the people who voted for him weren't just his 10 year old fan base. Then he said that critics didn't know what they were talking about. Even I got second hand embarrassment when I saw the two movies side by side. The fact that holidaysburg didnt get more recognition is a crime.
i just find it funny how he seriously thinks his movie is just the peak of cinema or something... like it’s truly baffling how he thinks he knows more than film critics, whose whole careers revolve around films
definitely, I’d easily put hollidaysburg alongside most charming and slightly corny teen romantic dramas on Netflix like it doesn’t stand out as a bad film at all it’s just appropriate for the genre and level of experience the director had she definitely should’ve won and the reviews for her her film are way better and ten year olds thankfully can’t leave most of those so it just proves Shane’s film shouldn’t have won
No wonder everyone on The Chair hated Shane’s movie so much. A.M’s is an actual MOVIE. Shane’s is... just a really long TH-cam video. And the dude thinks he knows a single thing about film 🤦♀️
I was 9-14 when I watched Not Cool on Netflix. I only watched because I recognized Shane's face. I didn't watch his videos, or anything and I was like "oh he's from TH-cam" and thought it would be funny. I was wrong. I hated it. I hate gross out humor mostly, and I didn't think it was funny, I just kept thinking "wtf"
@@queenjeski591 I can't remember my exact age because I just don't remember that point in my life all that much because of reasons. So instead of trying to do math I just put in a general time frame. I mentioned my age because I see adults watch this and get uncomfortable and I was like "oh so I'm not the only one". All I remember is just not liking it abd being super uncomfortable the whole time.
AM's movie reads like a student film: taking itself too seriously, not perfect, but watchable and sincere. It is a student's film worthy of an award. Shane's film isn't a movie.
I don't think it's fair to say her movie took itself seriously. It took itself the right amount of serious. It's just not a comedy but you can't tell me that movie takes itself too seriously when the main characters just headbutt each others at one of the emotional climaxes of the movie. The end quote may have been too much and just voiceover in general do tend to make everything sounds overly pretentious and melodramatic but the movie has decent humor just because it focus on somewhat serious topic like talking about depression or just portrays character emotional journeys through a more serious lens doesn't mean it takes itself too seriously. It just takes itself a decent level of seriously because it's not a comedy.
I went into the Apple movie store, and I think it says a lot that the "like this film recommendations" for Hollidaysburg are mostly other quirky indie selections. Meanwhile, the similar recommendations for Not Cool are mostly other TH-camr movies and parody films (like the low quality sequels to Scary Movie... Which is already a low bar).
@@firstnamelastname9051 it is supposed to be seen as "serious" movie in the sense that shane was trying to break out of the youtube mold. yes it was a comedy but its not considered like a real comedy movie like Pineapple Express, American Pie, Hangover etc. Not saying those movies are good or funny, but people take them as REAL comedy movies, compared to Shane's "Not Cool" which feels like a long youtube skit.
@@firstnamelastname9051 The point was it was a BAD parody. You can go have funny parodies like Not Another Teen Movie that are supposed to not be serious, fun, and light hearted. His film was just an endless parade of horrible raunchy jokes that were not funny and just stupid.
@@bonniehowell4259 I know its a bad parody but OP was saying that when you look at the recommendation/similar movies to NOT COOL it's only other parody movies. That's the point. It's terrible, offensive, and so unfunny but it was a parody nonetheless so it makes since why other parodies were recommended. That's was what I was saying lol
i wish A.M. would've kept heather Asian. I think it would've worked better in her family dynamic to show the amount of pressure Asian parents often put on their children. It could've been an interesting critique of pressure to do well in school/careers within Asian culture.
I agree! I think sometimes people get scared in situations like this that people will feel it’s a stereotypical portrayal of an Asian family or something like that though. Maybe that’s why she didn’t do it? Who knows
Idk I think since she is a white director it might have come off stereotyping to portray an Asian family that way (although I agree that she should have kept the main character Asian, if nothing else than to make the characters distinguishable.
I think her as a white director does not have a place to really comment on Asian -American culture. Since she did not grow up in that environment, she does not actually understand the reality of the stereotype
That’s cause that’s all the experience he has and he wants to be one but he needs to learn subtle nuances I think he’s gotten better but he still needs like a mentor or to take a class or something or maybe it’s just something he doesn’t have there’s always that raw talent which she (Anna) seems to have and then there’s shane with work he could get better at doing like a hangover/ white Chicks type movie but I can’t see him making a film like Anna’s where it’s a romcom and the comedy is subtle
I saw another TH-camr review it and oh my God it was terrible and disgusting with all the cringe and uncomfortable sex jokes. Especially when you realize his audience was a bunch of kids.
Anna’s movie actually feels like an movie. Shane’s feels like a very long, cringy, TH-cam video. Shane’s was also very messy and highly unrealistic, nor relatable.
Let’s go support this woman. She seems like she has talent, and she also seems like she’s able to learn and grow. I want more good movies so we must fund her somehow.
It’s also just so odd how he’s supposed to be this heartthrob but what super hot jock in any film even in parodies or comedies has ever been insanely awkward and caught pooping on someone’s lawn? I just don’t really get what he was trying to get at
So, in Holidaysburg, Scott's brother is there to inform the character of Scott's past, show us why Scott was popular, and gove someone for Scott to bounce off of to show his character early in the film. In "Not Cool" Scott's sister was there for.....Drew Monson's character to chase after. And to listen to the Degrassi song. Yeah Holidsayburg gives off major first time indie movies vibes but A.M. was ROBBED
The word that is hardest for me is Crayon, aparantly the way I say it is cute, gay, and hilarious. I'll have to say vegetable more to see if it's similar lol.
@@mj5697 You were doing your part to honor the seagull, my personal gay icon. Ever since I saw one holding a blue thong on the beach. Such majestic creatures.
Most unrealistic part of "hollidaysburg" was that tori had her head on the bus window and it wasn't hitting it over and over again Can't change my mind
Oh my god it took watching this 4 times to realize the “senior portrait” is a gag bc the senior class dresses up like a senior citizen 👁👄👁 thats why he kept talking about not wearing a wig, and why he was wearing a fuzzy sweater and glasses I May Be Stupid
Me either don’t feel bad if none of us got it then that means that they fail to accurately explain it and missed the mark. That was the directors error in my opinion
I remember back in the day being unable to watch his content because it felt like he was overly obsessed with sex. Forcing in sexual humor when it was not needed, even to the point where nothing taboo would get in the way.
In one of Ryland's TH-cam video Shane confess he is obsessed with porn. I think that obsession it's part of The reason all his past content was overly sexual. Shane have so many problems.
Hollidaysburg was by no means perfect, but by god it was a damn good first-director film. If I was auditioning for these two directors, I'd much rather want to work with Anna than Shane.
to me ofc it wasn’t perfect if it was against top notch directors but like u said for it to be her first directed film it was pretty good and to me it was damn near perfect compared to seeing shane’s and knowing it could’ve been WAY worse💀💀💀
Its a small thing but its very relatable to me: A.M Heather wearing the same hoodie and has the same hair every time she appears lets me empathize with her. She probs hasnt showered, changed her clothes, looked at a mirror etc all thanksgiving weekend. I do it too when im depressed.
Since we’re talking about Shane taking criticism, do you guys remember when he met his “hater” and guilt tripped him into taking everything he said back?
Also remember when he kept paying kids to come to his house and be his "son" and then recently shane said that he makes ryland call him daddy🤢 I always thought hiring the kid to be his son was weird but it's even worse looking back at it now🤢
I really appreciated Heather’s posture as she ate the pizza. I felt like it showed her depression further by her not having the energy/desire to raise the slice to her mouth. It also seemed as though it was comforting her so she was almost snuggling into it to feel better.
ikr, he went for very long periods of time without going back to Not Cool that when he finally did it I was like oh, this was a part of the video too..
So basically Hollidaysburg is like an actual movie directed by a rookie director (which it is), while Not Cool is pretty much just a crappy TH-cam sketch
Ok ok ok I'm like legitimately angry that Shane took out the lesbian representation and replaced it with a bunch of weak homophobic jokes for some cheap laughs from 15 year olds (and then didn't even get those laughs because most teenagers stopped finding that funny in like 2005.)
I really wish Shane hadn’t cast himself as “Scott”....I feel like it was so uncomfortable to read him as a “heart throb”....it never came across that way, not once.
Yeah, with Anna’s I could 100% see Scott as a popular jock who played football and was probably prom king. But with Shane in that role he seems more like he was apart of the scene crowd, not particularly popular, didn’t go to any high school events, and didn’t like the jocks.
I watched it last night (for free) and it was so boring and uncomfortable except any time Drew had a moment (still uncomfortable but at least in a semi-relatable way). If shane had just taken criticisms of his direction without taking it as criticism of self, and cast himself only as Joel, it could have been bearable. Not good and still undeserved, but not a garbage heap that's worse than The Room.
It's clear to me now that Shane can't do any projects without tainting them with his own hang ups. He took out the gay couple and added a bunch of gay jokes because he had internalized homophobia seeping through his body. He cast himself as the "heartthrob" but was unable to portray that on screen because of his own insecurities with his appearance and masculinity. He constantly made shock-value sex jokes on his channel and in his movie because he struggled with his sexuality and sexual trauma from his childhood. Even in the "documentaries" he makes now, he spends all of his time trying to give problematic people a redemption arc because he is scared of his own problematic past. It's one thing to use art to express yourself and your stories and experiences, but it's a whole other thing when you completely lack self-awareness and are unable to make stories for an audience other than yourself. That's also probably why he can't take criticism from anyone else. It seems he's insecure and scared, unable to cope with his own issues, and uses his medium as a way to get validation.
@@IsabellaLomax Holy cow, I feel you with the covid thing. I have to stop myself from rambling in like... Every comment section! (Although your rant was incredibly insightful, whereas mine are more... Analyzing how good my garlic bread is compared to the garbage Gordon Ramsay is yelling about in Kitchen Nightmares. Ah shit, here I go again...)
she,they *crying noises* To be fair to you and Idaho, while casual homophobia has been largely phased out of common vernacular in the last 10 years or so, there are still plenty of people I see call things “gay” just online and it doesn’t warrant much of a response, which is weird. By the way, since we’re on the subject, let it be remembered that we’ve all engaged in that casually homophobic behavior as recently as 10-15 years ago, so cancel culture is inherently hypocritical and full of shit when targeting individuals for previous words or actions that were once widely accepted or overlooked at the time.
If they do, it would be smarter to maybe pin people against each other who come from similar backgrounds instead of putting a relative unknown against someone with a following. IMHO, this was rigged from jump against A.M.
I agree. This reminds me of a show that only aired one season in the early 2000's called Project Greenlight. It took a group of aspiring film makers and made a low budget horror film based on the one that won. The movie actually wasn't terrible and I wish it was renewed.
It would be interesting to see it done again with two directors who have totally different goals/approaches to film, but neither of them really has a following yet, so there's no fandom to sway the vote overwhelmingly toward one regardless of the film itself.
i watched the first couple of episodes of the chair documentary and she went in knowing she was gonna lose bc she knew she couldnt compete with shanes fanbase. but she still took that opportunity to go out of her comfort zone and create something meaningful!
@@mariasotomayor4454 hey heyy! Sorry to be THAT person asking but did you watch it recently or when it came originally came out? If recently,could you lemme know where to watch? Thanks I'd appreciate it! Been trying to see it and have searched everywhere 😕😔
@@mariasotomayor4454 i thought it would judged by competent critics, if it was literally just for fun and a popularity contest then you cant expect much.
in AM's film, i can actually believe that scott was the popular guy at school. shane inserting himself into his movie made no sense for several reasons, the biggest one being that he did not come off at ALL like a former 'popular' kid.
@@paindemie5491 Honestly. The Hair And The Passion For Photographing Makes Me Think Scott Was A Artistic Kid Who Loved 2000s Fashion Rather Than A Popular Kid
Theres a lot I like about Anna's movie. So unfair that it was buried by Shane. I really enjoy the quote she added about dying and being born again each day. I suffer from short term memory loss (and a lot of memory loss in general) I used to get very angry at myself for it. It is so frustrating to not be able to remember. The idea of being born again new each day is a comforting thought.
11:16 people who say “this was in 2014!!!!” act like 2014 was like decades ago, in the olden times. It was only 6 years ago! I was a high school junior in 2014 and the problematic humor they show in Not Cool wasn’t funny even then!
I'm Cambodian and my family were refugees to u.s. A.M. most recent short film is about Cambodian refugees. I wish she'd been able to get funding for a film. But it's worth a watch to see how much she has improved
PrincessAdriGirl I used to be a shane stan when I was around 13 and I thought his blackface was just a joke because I'm white so I had no reason to be offended by it but as I got older I realized this man's ”humor” is not funny it's trashy and ignorant So that's my take on shane stans:3
I was a Communications honours student at an all girl college, we had film projects and had to help our seniors with theirs too and let me tell you... Men Men get near a working woman and have this strong, irresistible urge to tell them how to do everything.
Shane's film compared to this feels like one of those shitty parody films in the 2000s recreating scenes from the film they parody. (Like Epic Movie, Disaster Movie, Vampires Suck etc)
Funny enough, for a long time, I thought Shane's film was a parody of the "college girl stuck in the high school emotional capacity despite being in college going home for the holidays" trope. I didn't realize that it was part of a competition until I saw reaction videos.
how old a movie is shouldn't have anything to do with someone's right to critique it. if it's problematic, it's problematic. that's the name of the game when you release a film into the public.
Berta Rodrigue z Exactly, like I’m 36 and Shane movie was extreme for 2014. Like maybe if it had been done around 1999 when Something About Mary was released and popular I would have to give some of it a pass. But in 2014 his movie was completely problematic.
Context matters in some cases. Some films are representative of their time, others may seem antiquated to us but are in fact landmark films for promoting some idea or representation. Example would be Rocky Horror Picture Show. I’ve seen some young young gays call it transphobic, but it was game-changing in featuring trans community (transvestite or transgender), bisexuality, homosexuality, and all that jazz. Just because it wouldn’t fly if it were released today doesn’t mean that it didn’t do something for the people at the time. There’s a reason why LGBT consider it a quintessential household film and why a lot of young gay men and drag queens dress up as one of the characters and show up to at least one midnight premiere in their lives.
Talyn has time Yeah but Shane’s doesn’t fit that description. Something About Mary is extremely problematic now but it was kind of a landmark movie at the time. But Shane’s humor had been something most people had evolved past in 2004. Hence why Farrelly Brothers stopped being successful.
i literally BUSTED UP at "i love sensible women... i would watch the babysitter's club everyday; these girls are entrepreneurial, i stan!" like that was so funny...
Hollidaysburg was better because she listened to what the practice audience had to say. She listened to criticism, she let people help her make her movie better. She WANTED people to like and enjoy her movie. Shane did none of that and made a movie that would solely please him and him alone. I think that's the major difference between her movie and Shane's. She cared about making movies, she wanted to do this. Shane just seemed like he only wanted to make a movie because TH-camr movies were popular at the time and he thought if he jumped on that train it would boost his popularity. Also, Hollidaysburg aged well. It feels like movies I've watched on Netflix by indie directors. That gritty real-life inspired vibe. Straight Up, Duck Butter, The End of the F***ing World, I Am Not Okay With This vibes.
I can already imagine he would have had them half naked and making out or about to make out in every scene they're in and they'd be in scenes where it makes no sense. I feel like that is what happens when people try to oversexualize lesbians...it's never funny, it's just feeds that gross narrative that lesbians are there for men and to impress them..
He for sure would've included a scene where he or another guy like masturbates watching them or like watches them kissing and is like obviously turned on and says something like "Oh yeah.... wait don't stop!"
i’m thinking about a sketch he did (was it the degrassi “parody” he did?) where two of the characters talk crudely about the sex they were planning to have so i think you’re right here
hollidaysburg is also kinda timeless like i can watch this now and believe it's set in 2020, a kinda vintage 2020 but i really appreciate it. not cool however looks like an eagle puked on the US flag and they wrapped the actors in it. oof.
Shane’s sense of humor was very juvenile and weird for his age back then. Like even the baby carrot joke. Why a baby carrot and not the regular carrot? It implies that she was younger because she was able to contact her hymen with a two inch carrot. Then there was the blind joke and the sh*t eating joke, etc. He wasn’t even funny overall in my opinion. He was just controversial and not even in a creative way. It was always at the expense of a group of people, instead of poking fun at the ridiculousness of the situation. Edit: it’s sad that she lost to Shane when her movie is blatantly better
Holy shit - I didn’t even realize that’s what he was implying with the carrot specifically being a baby one. I just thought it was a non sense detail.....gross
His humor was extremely inappropriate because it was sexual humor for kids that probably weren’t even growing pubes when they watched it. Plus he’s an older man. It’d be one thing if he was someone his audience’s age making the jokes, but no, he’s always had at least a decade on his audience. I just don’t think making sexual jokes to underaged kids when you’re a grown ass adult is appropriate. Maybe by the time they hit 16 and it’s family and that’s just how your humor works with family, but... Unsettling and creepy as fuck.
Making contact with a hymen is not like making contact with a g spot the hymen is literally just on the opening of the vulva even a baby carrots could hit it but yeah if he was sexually abused as a child he would have his age likely stunted
I was 16 when Not Cool came out and even at that age i still didnt think it was funny (& thats coming from a former fan who pre-ordered the movie on itunes. I couldn't even get through 20 minutes LOL). How someone at Shane's old age found any of that funny, idk.
Thank you for talking about Holidaysburg. Before you I have no idea that film existed or that they were part of a competition or reality show. You’re the only one I’ve heard talking about it so thank you so much for blessing us with all your time and effort to make this video!
Frankly I find the script Shane and Anna had to follow to just be a boring story to work with. However, I cannot understand why Shane replaced Scott's parents moving with them shutting down a Vinyl store.... Like there's so much more depth to a storyline about Scott not being ready to leave forever
A.M. casting herself with a vocal chord injury reminds me of David Lynch casting himself in Twin Peaks to play a character with hearing loss, allowing him to shout all of his dialogue incredibly loudly because he knows his voice is hilarious.
Haha apparently he wrote the character with hearing loss because he wasn't a professional actor and he knew he wouldn't be able to deliver lines as well as the other actors on screen, so he gave himself a gimmick to distract from that. I think he nailed it lmao
The sheer difference in camera work in Holidaysburg vs Not Cool is so good it actually feels like a real movie while Not Cool feels like it was shot on an iPhone with as many overhead lights as they could find
CRAZY that Nick can't say sex without being demonitized. Yet Shane had all this trash on his channels MONETIZED for YEARS!!!! What is wrong with this picture?!?!?
@@GotoMaki4Micah He's shown that in the videos he has monetized his CPM is a fraction of a cent. So even when he gets 20Mill views its unlikely that he's even made a few thousand $
@@kerri6011 Umm no hes had the feature enabled until recently but he hasnt been making anything from ad rev for years. Since before the adpocalypse when youtube changed all their guidelines for monetization
I remember one year all I did was stay in one spot and play video games. Like, I wake up, sit up, grab my controller, and start playing. I’d stop to use the bathroom, then my bf and I would go to subway or get pizza logs. I gained so much weight because I ate takeout every day for a year. Our room was gross. That’s depression yo. I’ve gotten better with cleaning at least, but not much has changed
I wouldn't say it was a mistake to cast the daughter as white with an Asian mom, but a missed opportunity to add in that she was adopted. Then worked that into the plot detail of always feeling different.
Weirdly enough the ONLY thing I like about shane's movie was his head shaving scene. Shane and SO many guys around 2014 were grappling with the fact that their bieber hair was no longer in, and that they couldn't use it a crutch anymore really resonated having known a bunch of those dudes. Like loosing that hair did seem like a huge moment for his character in realizing he needs to stop holding on to the past. That being said it would have been a great scene in a way better movie :x
I feel like you managed to figure out a deeper meaning that Shane didn't even mean to portray, I think he meant it as 'oh Scott is shaving off his beautiful hair and it symbolises letting go of his ego/one of the things that makes him so attractive'. I don't think he thought half as deeply as you did with this comment when he was making the movie, it seems so superficial
Frosty Teacup i don’t even think it was a scott thing. i think it was a shane shaving his hair in the movie for this fans thing 😭, especially when you find out he was wearing wigs in his videos after bc he thought his hair was part of his brand
@@laurenashley1137 oh yeah I definitely agree, my comment was probably the explanation he gave to himself and the rest of the team to be able to incorporate it into the film lol. The majority of his movie is literally him living out his teenage fantasies, doing what he wasn't able to do in his real life (be the hot, popular guy that gets lots of girls). I feel sorry for him in that he had such a tough childhood and tbh it makes sense to want to live out your fantasies through your creative work, but Not Cool just ended up being a cringefest. It's a big *yikes* from me.
That's kind of why I used like Shane Dawson. A lot of his videos were low-hanging fruit and shock jokes, but there'd often be these occasions where he'd suddenly get very profound.
Fun fact I am actually going through a major depressive episode lately and earlier I had to like eat and I felt so genuinely exhausted that I basically had to half-lay on the table exactly like Heather did when she was eating pizza.,, so I’d say it’s not completely unrealistic lmao,,,
You shouldn’t even call Shane’s thing a “movie.” It was just a longer, unfunny, racist skit that had no cohesive plot/characters. New subscriber by the way..great analysis of both movies!!
I used to be a fan of shane dawson and i even bought his book, i vaguely remember hearing about the movie in the book so i went back and this is a direct quote from shanes book 'it gets worse', " I couldn't care less about a great plot with inspired performance. I'm lookong for shows that dedicate entire budgets to providing the camera crew with barf bavs and an on-set grief counsler. I want it bad and i want it sad." Let that sink in considering the context of the video.
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Don’t forget to suggest the next movies I should comment on!
The Velocipastor has been covered by a good bit of the commentary community but I think you'd have fun looking into it and similar movies lmao.
Or maybe the smosh movie? I never watched it personally.
A comparison between mean girls and mean girls 2
It would be fun to see you comment on The Last Airbender or Suicide Squad lol
Just found your channel and love your commentary!
Try some low budgets, like Another Earth.
High School musical but actually tell these kids how fboi Troy was!!!
That girls movie was actually cute though. Shane’s gave me second hand embarrassment
Fr! I would actually see her movie even if it wasn't on "The Chair"
I never knew Anna’s movie existed because of the publicity Shane’s movie was getting at the time. I never watched it nor saw it anywhere to watch. It seems like a much better watch than Shane’s embarrassment.
I think the worst part of everything is that Shane, an already highly successful youtuber, won $250,000 while the other director got nothing, despite having a better movie and a greater need for the money.
I was about to comment the same thing, and then he had the nerve to say he won cause he's movie was better, like we don't know his fans play a huge part in the whole thing. What a douchebag
yeah, his following definitely helped that win
@@sheridan7475 "helped" is an understatement. It got him the win, full stop. He wouldn't have won if he was an unknown director.
THIS. I know this was years ago but who knows what that money could’ve done for her career.
Ugh that fucking sucks. I haven’t seen either one but I can tell that Hollidaysburg is better
My favorite part of this whole display, is when Zachary Quinto announced with utter disgust that he’s removing his name from and refuses to have any association with Shane’s movie during the The Chair. It’s pure gold
YES. I was like, finally someone being real about this pile of garbage.
Same!
God I feel like I’m with my people. No one ever seems to know about this!
I love Zachary quinto
We Stan Officer Spock
Her movie wasn't a cinematic masterpiece but she was CHEATED out of the win 🙄
Facts!
I mean by comparison it’s a masterpiece tho
She didn’t win??
Your Son no it was supposed to be decided by judges but then went to popular vote. Shane has a huge platform even then, she was a film student and obviously didn’t have that kind of advantage. Shane got his fans to vote and the fans were able to beat the anti-cheating systems in place. So of course he won. He has a leg up so it was definitely stolen from her.
It was still good
The fact that Scott was meant to be a "hot" popular guy and Shane cast himself speaks volumes about his ego.
lmao fr
It really does! Directors playing a secondary role is fine, but casting yourself not only as the MAIN CHARACTER but also the stereotypical hot, cool guy is just...so conceded.
No girl it speaks volumes about his INSECURITIES bc onision did the same thing with his books that he wrote
shadehas beenthrown
Yeah he was also constantly covered up, wearing jackets, etc.
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so basically anna created an actual movie worthy of the name, while shame created a bag full of garbage. wow.
Lol Shame
To be fair, the movie sh*ne d*wson created was worthy of the name he gave it
and he won. that's so sad 😞
Typically an artist is reflected in their art, so that shouldn’t be surprising.
Shane also made a movie worthy of its name
Both movies were given the same exact budget, yet "Not Cool" looks much more low budget than "Hollidaysburg". Tbh, "Hollidaysburg" looks really high quality.
I noticed that to. I think it has to do with more attention to lighting.
@@Rigiroony the cinematography as well. It feels like something from a 2012 mumblecore movie.
I think it’s because Shane produced his movie like a long TH-cam video, no concern for lighting except “bright enough to see”, no concern for framing and angle except “everyone is in frame”, there’s absolutely no artistry to the cinematography in Not Cool.
Holidaysburg gives me perks of being a wallflower vibes
Yeah, shane wasted his budget on puking shots and stuff
I hated how many different characters Shane played in not cool. He said he wanted it to be an actual genuine movie but it came off as a giant TH-cam sketch. And an unfunny one at that.
Right? How were we ever supposed to take his lead character seriously as a heartthrob when he’s playing other, weird characters like he thinks he’s Eddie Murphy? It doesn’t really work in this context. Plus, his character acting is just awful and weird. And he’s played that same character a million times on his own channel. We get it, you hate women.
@@potato-whiz fr!!
The show didn’t have much casting options. That’s why-also be was trying to please his youtube fans-he knew they would love it-that’s why be won.
@@LaceFX yeah you're right but he went back on his word a lot. "I wanna appeal to more than just my audience" then he appealed to just his audience.
True that
I really like the way she had Tori talking about how cool and hot Scott and Heather were, while showing them on the screen looking kind of sad and lost. It created this juxtaposition between the way Tori views them and who they are.
I really liked that as well
It gave a lot of insight into the character
I also thought that was really effective filmmaking! It really showed that nobody is just what we see of them.
I just don't see how Shane even thinks his was the objectively better one
Because his head is up his own ass 🤷♀️
Like, objectively better. The unfathomable arrogance to even say that out loud. Really explains his “documentaries”
Cos he’s narcissistic and can’t take a single word of criticism
He's not really good at thinking.
StanleyComics he is good at thinking...about himself
Damn, the funny thing is, as awful as Not Cool truly is I at least gave him some credit for coming up with the story. But now I learn that he just ADAPTED source material he didn't even come up with and turned it into pure garbage. Wow. That's borderline insulting, even worse than I thought.
In The Chair you see him suggest (demand more like) things for the writer to add in and change in their script. You also see him later on being like "shouldn't I get co-writer credit bc I suggested these things?" and everyone was like "uhhh no". That's not how movies work Shamey Spears.
Yeah I same. I watched Not Cool back in the day and thought it was really bad but I was like "Well at least the annoying heartthrob guy trying to learn to leave high school days and high school glory in the past is a pretty interesting and touching story. Not one we see that much". Hearing that he didn't come up with that when it's literally the only interesting thing about the movie and worse that he completely made it trash is just so extremely underwhelming.
Anne T Ngo “Shamey Spears” I know it was a joke, but don’t ever disrespect Brittany Spears, or her sister Jamie Spears with Shane Dawson again. They are saints compared to him...💔🤢🤮
Oh yeah and in the documentary behind this, he wanted writing credit just because he wrote some jokes. It was hilarious.
Yeah Chris Moore, executive producer of The Chair, had said shane’s film was the more “mainstream”..... huh??!?!! I mean I guess but teen comedies were starting to become a parody of themselves then and the “idyllic romance” teen movies were more popular then because John Green and Stephanie Meyer.... regardless Hollidaysburg imo is definitely more mainstream. It looks like your standard romcom cult classic... like what the actual fuck lmao
I'd watch Hollidaysburg and come out saying "well that was a cute movie." it's a movie I'd only watch once, but I wouldn't hate it. I'd watch Not Cool and be pissed that I wasted an hour and a half when my time would've been better spent doing something like doing my taxes or watching a documentary about top soil
As someone who has actually had to watch multiple documentaries about soil, they are a way more enjoyable then Not Cool.
That's a pretty big accomplishment for a first time director imo
absolutely. I was roughly 14 when they came out (so apparently Shane's target audience) and I feel like we'd have turned on 'Not Cool' at a sleepover and then switched to 'Hollidaysburg" when it got too gross
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I wish i could remember the title of Leslie Knope's top soil brochure in Parks in Rec. So few uses for it, and it'd be so useful here.
at least scott being a heartthrob in hollidaysburgh is believable. full offense to sh*ne
Anna Ou Preach! Shame Dawson is NOT a heartthrob...never has been, never will be! Just calling it as it is...not everyone is universally good looking, and in this case, Shame is everyone! 😝
as somebody w/ an eating disorder its so uncomfy to watch cause its so obvious shane hates himself and is trying to not appear in a way which will make him feel fat and it just makes his character seem reeeeeaaaaallllllyyyy insecure
sh*ne is just not that attractive lmao
@Majestic Kaneki SHAME DOLPHIN? 😂 I snorted laughing.
YES!! This comment 💯
im literally so mad anna could've made hollidaysburg even better than it was if she wasn't given like 2 dollars, a shoelace, three weeks, and producers who think eating shit is funny
Didn‘t both get a budget of $850,000?
@@Froggele yes but that is an incredibly incredibly small budget for a feature film, especially a union film. not even talking in comparison to shane's, just in general they were both really set up to fail given such a limited time frame and budget. i think if anna's film had been given a real production timeline and a real budget it would've solved a lot of her issues, whereas with shane, he could've had 100 million and still delivered garbage.
Priscilla Rapp Sure, there is more you can do the more money you can spend but considering both of them were first time directors that‘s not a small budget. I studied theatre and film and we made movies with far less money. From what I have heard from other comments and the video Anna‘s main issues were poor time management and indecisiveness and none of that could have been fixed with more money. Of course I am not disagreeing that a higher budget most of the time raises the quality of a movie but $850,000 really isn‘t that small of a budget.
@@Froggele i totally don't question movies can be made for less, im a filmmaker too, but because they were a union production they had significantly higher expenses. for example, no one could work for free, no one could perform two jobs for one salary, they had to pay overtime, etc. also, i don't think she was necessarily bad at time management, i think she wanted the time to create and direct on set when really there was only time to set up, get the shot you need in under four takes, and move on. that's especially hard to do when you've only had a week or so of rehearsal with the cast and you're the type of person who likes to have options in the editing room. she definitely had issues for a first time director but a lot of them i think came from the tiny time frame which was the fault of the budget
Priscilla Rapp I didn‘t know about the union aspect/ what that means specifically. Thanks for the information:)
depressed heather is so relatable?? i feel like she’s a realistic representation of a depressed teen. it’s obviously not perfect but it feels so much more realistic than Shane’s movie
Heather is a realistic representation of my 34yr old ass. Send Help!!!
@@dottyorange2632 Girl there's nothing wrong with that. Head to therapy, very important even if you're not a depressed teen
Everytime she entered a scene I would look at her and be like, "oh, wow, mood"
she's an actual character in "Hollidaysburg."
i went through a similar thing to her as my freshman year (now on meds and in therapy) and seeing her journey was honestly rlly cathartic
“I love it cause Scott is being played by a hot person in this movie.” Niiiiiick you did NOT need to drag Shane like that I’m deceased 😭😭
😂 😂 😂
I mean it’s true
Its true
K T he’s just being truthful 🤷🏼♀️
what is he gonna liiiieeeeee?
i sorta feel like shane was living out some hidden fantasy by playing the heartthrob in his movie.
100%
It's so narcissistic
That's why he chose the holiday season, christmas, snow, cold, JACKETS AND LAYERS and all of that. You know? I kinda feel for him. He seems to be stuck in that highschool prom queen crap.
not hidden it’s a high key fantasy lol
Mut Ema well, he didn’t choose the season, the show did, but I agree this was clearly his moment to shine in his mind.
Also, the "she speaks Indian on the phone to her parents" joke could've been replaced with literally any other non-white dominant race and the joke would have still made sense. It's not specific to Indian people so not stereotyping/insensitive to them.
So true! Great point
Not to mention unlike Shane’s jokes in Not Cool, the punch line isn’t Indian people talk weird. It’s that the girl who made that comment is a racist idiot.
@@divaprincess98 THIS
I think part of the joke is also that "Indian" isn't an actual language (as opposed to Hindi or one of the many other languages spoken in India). It's like saying American people speak "American".
@@TheDrinkingBird EXACTLY. Hindi is not even my mother tongue lmfao. This joke was really funny.
It's unbelievable how "Not Cool" won over "Hollidaysburg". Blatant favoritism since he is a TH-camr.
Extremely unfair 💔
Her movie was definitely the favorite when it came down to basically everyone who was involved with The Chair and the test audience. But sadly it was down to a vote, which meant Shane could use his massive amount of fans to win, whether he wants to admit that or not. Hell, Zachary Quinto even took his name off of Shane's movie. Not because of the content even, but because of how belligerent Shane was being.
@@kaemincha no zach definitely took off his name because of the actual content of the movie. there was racial jokes, sexual assault jokes, it was baaaad.
Yep. It was by fan votes and shane had w million to 2 million fans at the time and Anna was completely unknown. It was obvious he was going to wrongfully win from the beginning. Smh
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This is why it pissed me off when someone in my school would get shortlisted for an art competition, and the principal would tell us to go online and vote for them. Like, why vote if it's not for the art itself?
A.M's film looks indie, Shane's looks like a low budget parody
Straight to video sequel of successful franchise that they replaced the writers
Bingo!
James Williams come now, that’s being too harsh to the direct-to-dvd sequels
And it sounds like Shane got more money from the dance central ad. Amazing how you can do so much with such or so little on a budget
It looks like a 2000’s YT Video lol
Can we talk about how ableist Shane’s portrayal of the blind sister is
@Queen Quizia right... it lowkey seems like most of the fucked up stuff he’s done from the past Lisa was right along with him
makes you wonder how molly burke would feel about it
There was also a character in a wheel chair whose only purpose was to get threatened by Heather.
It's sad because there was probably some actual drama and sibling rivalry and even actual laughs to be had between Not Cool!Tori and her sister, and their interactions.
Like, maybe the sister grew up blind, so maybe she grew up with people underestimating her and trying to shelter her, and as a result she's a giant overachiever/"perfect child"/type A personality, and that makes Tori feel like a loser for being normal/not an unusually high achiever (plus the person who's out-competing her is blind, so because she's internalized that like most people in an ableist society, that makes it even more shameful-feeling to Tori).
But then at the climax of the movie (although ideally it would have been set up throughout in various smaller ways), maybe Tori finds out that her sister is going through burnout right now as a result of trying to fit into the "inspirational disabled person who 'overcomes' their disability," narrative and valuing herself based on what other people think of her that way for most of her life, and she's not so perfect after all (and the stuff she achieves that makes her seem so "perfect" to Tori is actually borne out of a similar sense of defiance against norms and people's expectations and society, to the one Tori exhibits with her sarcasm).
Bonus: either the sister's fiancee Gil could have been one more expression of that (like at the time she accepted his proposal because she wanted to be able to be like, "see, even though I'm blind, I'm still attractive enough to an abled man that he wanted to marry me!"), or conversely, we could see him being supportive of her at this period in her life while she figures stuff out and being really sweet and cute, in spite of how goofy/inept I assume he can also come off (like presumably that's why they had the joke-line about "I have to drink a lot in order to accept Glenn the way he is").
Anyway this is why, on top of everything else wrong with "Not Cool," you also need co-writers or sensitivity editors from whatever group you're trying to write about convincingly, if you're not part of that group yourself. It was a missed opportunity (yet another missed opportunity), imho.
There so much ableism in the entire movie istg I don’t even wanna start talking about the mentally ill homeless man eating shit for laughs
Shane made thefromerly lesbian sister into a blind sister? He traded a sexual preference for a disability for laughs. Did no one notice this is bit tasteless?
Tasteless is definitely a world for it lol
He also removed Tori's closeted lesbian best friend. For a bi guy, he seems weirdly averse to having positive LGBT representation in his movie. Weird.
Mana T especially bi women and lesbians ::
Mana T definitely rooted in misogyny. it’s very telling that he removes all the gay female characters and replaces it with gay men, jokes about gay men etc.. so lesbophobia and some added misogyny i guess
People noticed that’s why it was so hard to find actors for the movie
Shane's movie is like me writing a 4000 word essay and it crashed so now i have to fumble through my memory to write it 30 minutes before deadline and Anna's is my lost file: forgotten and never seen but superior 👁👄👁
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This analogy is perfection
beautifully put
@ღ Lafayette have my kids ღ I love your username
If I remember correctly, that's exactly how it was too. He spent the majority of his time trying to find actors who would even play in the movie.
Shane's version really gives insight into how he sees the world. For him, his characters don't need to show their personalities - they just need to outright state what their personality traits are. We know Scott is regimented - not because he acts like it, but because someone downright says it.
And then look at Shane and his behaviour. He doesn't need to show empathy or sensitivity - he just needs to tell us he's a sensitive empath. He doesn't need to actively show change - he just needs to tell us he's changed.
And this logic also explains how he thinks he can get away with certain behaviours. Sure, he's done racist and predatory things, but he's not racist or predatory - how do we know this? Because he told us! He doesn't realise that part of who you are is what you do. It's not enough to just use words.
exactly what I was thinking while watching... Nick's critique of the "you're so regimented" line was reminiscent of that clip of all the times Shane has said he's an empath (maybe a Dangelo Wallace video). It's creepy af.
Well said and a good point
Damn right!!!!!!!
yes!!! this is exactly what i was thinking but didn’t know how to say
very good connection. to Shane it's enough to tell you that he's a good empath despite showing you everything to the contrary. He gets to tell you that he's a good person and actually gets to be a bad person. Some of the few analogous instances where he did "show not tell" are when he fake cried, so he acts when he's supposed to be sincere in documentaries and does not act (well) when he's supposed to be playing a fictional character.
While A.M's movie wasn't perfect, you can tell that she really has a respect for the art of film making and did the best she could do with the material that she had and thought of creative ways to overcome the difficulties and flaws of her film.
Seeing this side by side, Not Cool is even MORE terrible than I thought, which I didn't think was possible.
A.M should have won, no doubt!
Mukochaki yeah A.M. and her husband and brother in law and her producers should have won, not just her specifically because let’s be real they all coddled her through the process
@@TooHooWrong just her entire team in general. I thought every aspect of the movie was 1000 times better than Shane's. That also has to do with the fact that she actually took criticism, unlike Shane.
exactly this! it honestly kind of frustrates me that shane was soo convinced that he deserved that win, even though he couldn’t even put in enough effort to actually internalize the criticism he received and use it to make a better movie. he was so haughty and it came off as him just wanting to be in charge rather than actually wanting to create something meaningful.
@@legallybl0wn you took the words right out of my mouth!
Shane shouldn’t have won, full stop. His film just seems so lazy compared to Anna’s. If it wasn’t a popularity contest Not cool wouldn’t have stood a chance!
SHANE WON???🤢🤢🤮
Jazzler yea . It was fan voted and most viewers were shane fans .
I was only 13 at the time and even then I knew that this whole challenge was set up in a horribly unfair way considering one person started with MILLIONS OF FANS and the other one is starting from nothing. I hope she managed to keep that in perspective and is going places with her film career
what the heck?!
@@merrybright5732 It really isn't a fair contest when you think about it. It wasn't two nobodies competing against one another. One was a "nobody" and the other was a popular youtuber that already had his built in fanbase of underage fans(a lot of whom wouldn't exactly know better and would just vote because...they liked Shane).
Even the look of the two movies is different. Shane’s looks sitcomish and Hollidaysburg looks cinematic. The camera quality isn’t hyper saturated. It’s real. HD film camera, but it feels real.
Why do Shane Dawson fans say “2014” as if it was 50 years ago.. this was a recent thing
Who spilled My beans I would understand this argument if Shane Dawson made his content in the 1940s.
LOL right? The same people who defend his original skits by saying "It was 2006, it was a different time." As someone who was 19 in 2006, it wasn't THAT different. Most of us knew what he did was offensive as f**k. Honestly just kind of surprised that so many people (newer fans) weren't aware of it all until recently.
CezL THANK YOU. i have been saying this for so long lmao. yall the early 2000s were not the freaking dark ages.
Maybe they’re so young? I’m in my 30s so 2014 was yesterday
because they were all probably 10 in 2014 and six years is like almost half their lifespan.
I think the thing that upsets me the most about Shane’s film and him in general, is his complete lack of respect for other people. He thinks he’s a comedic genius for being every form of prejudice and disgusting in the book and it’s unbelievably annoying.
Yeah watching the series when it premiered made my respect for him go to not existent to actively being put off by him. He's a spoiled brat and still is.
he thinks because other people won't use this sort of humor he's brave for doing so but it just shows how lazy and uncaring he is
George Carlin and Louis CK and Daniel Tosh have made money being offensive but they were doing stand-up where audacity was expected.
@@talynhastime9343 the difference is that they actually knew how to work with dicey topics. Shane thinks just being offensive is enough
Shock humor can work but there has to be more to it than just the shock there has to have an actual punch line
“Yes, I am a liar. ...You look *really* nice today, by the way.”
I didn’t expect such a smooth delivery of that, so I honestly laughed so hard my dog came to check on me lmao
Lolll dogs are so pure
Glad i wasnt the only one tickled by that bit
Dogs are better than people tbh
drink every time you laugh at shane dawson's movie
warning : you'll be very sober
That’s a sobriety game 🤣
Omg literal dumpster fire of a movie
Unfortunate, I dont want to be sober watching Shane Dawson
Skeleton lol
Like I wonder if he thought it was actually funny the whole movie was just cringe
Also "not cool" is shot exactly like an icarly episode, every location felt like one of those cheap film sets while hollidaysburg looked gorgeous and the locations were highlighted to bring more depht to the town
@ʏᴜɴᴀᴛɪᴄ lol right?? an insult to icarly
@ʏᴜɴᴀᴛɪᴄ lol im sorryyyyy i couldnt think of another show, but point being, its shot like a disney show or sumn like that
@@xryxix didnt mean to do icarly dirty like that 😭😭
@june - bug facts
icarly was my shit ): but i get it
“broke my hymen with a baby carrot” LMFAOO that sounds like a line a virgin teenage boy would write, so ridiculous 🤣😂
Right that so stuck out to me. Do they think the hymen is a seal all the way over the vaginal opening? You can use tampons with an unstretched hymen (because it only actually breaks with trauma) because it's basically a meat donut. There's plenty of space for a baby carrot, approx the same size as a tampon, without breaking it! Unless she had an actual imperforate hymen which is a pretty rare medical issue someone should go to the doctor for.
The little piece of foil on juice boxes where you put the straw in: *exists*
Shane Dawson: is this a hymen???
@@AM-kr4pv you're not wrong... but "meat donut" 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@p0lyxena Yeah...Now that image is stuck in my head....
Right. Just in the intro you can tell the movie is gonna be totally just a male fantasy.
As someone with a blind little sister, it’s not, like, “crazy”. And as someone LGBT, neither is being gay. So Shane literally can’t hit a single mark.
I guess the fact that he tried to use a blind person as the joke is what makes me uncomfortable. But youve got a point. Even if he went with the original script he still would have made lgbt jokes, disappointing
sophie a yes exactly. Like. The struggle my sister faces and will have to face (she’s only 11 right now) are just not a joke. But to him, because he doesn’t struggle with it and doesn’t care, it is just a crazy joke he can make to a young audience at someone else’s expense. If my sister grew up like I did, where something like this can be seen as okay to a wide audience, she would be heartbroken.
I'm partially blind right now, but for a few years i was completely blind (couldn't do shit by myself, it was and it still is very traumatic, and very hard. but even then, i made jokes about it.) I have an illness that heavily affects my eyesight; i can barely see right now, but this can change again anytime, without a warning.
i personally don't mind jokes about being blind, i can laugh at pretty much everything. i think humor is a way to cope with trauma. i love stand up comedy, and dark humor. BUT it needs to be done right.
Shane isn't a comedian, and he doesn't accept feedback. There's not set up and not punchline, nothing that comes out from him is funny. his "jokes" are just plainly insults or dumb lines.
Comedy is an art, and it requires a lot of study and practice; which Shane never did and never cared to learn. That's the issue. that he comes off like it's above everything and everyone.
but again, if it's done right i don't think that there's a topic that you can't touch.
SofiApple I think a “joke” about being blind isn’t always offensive if being blind isn’t the punch line and it’s not degrading. I think the issue with Shane’s character was that he played into every stereotype, made her stupid, and it really rubbed me the wrong way the was she was using the stick thing (idk the name sorry 🥴) by just waving it all over the place. It was like it was a prop to make her even funnier.
@@Hannah-zw9ow If you want a show that had blind jokes that were actually funny, watch Avatar The Last Airbender lol
The difference between the two becomes clear almost immediately. A.M. made a movie with the elements given to her and did her best to make believable, relatable characters and plot. Shane took the directions and made a movie glorifying himself.
Shane's movie is like a terrible TH-cam parody instead of a real film.
I can’t get over the fact that he cast himself as the hot popular guy and literally had the main girl talk about how hot he is...LMAO it comes across as so self-obsessed
@@PeppyPipLBP Right? What really drives it home for me is he not only cast himself as the lead, self obsessed teen heart throb, he also casts himself as the popular mean girl who bullies the other characters. It's like he wanted to be Zach Efron and Regina George and not only could he not decide he utterly failed at both.
Okay but a 75% on her first movie is seriously impressive I hope this didn’t discourage her and she continued on making movies
So weird, after watching Not Cool I never would’ve guessed that Heather was supposed to be a lead. Another yikes....
Same! I assumed she was a very minor character so to see her as a lead and the other love interest rather than seeing the other love interest as just Shane’s sister which doesn’t really make sense as much
Melissa Smith Yeah because she was only in 2-3 parts of the movie, and after the scene in the bathroom it felt like she was kinda forgotten. She was just a crutch for Scott’s ego. Also she wasn’t given any of those introspective, first-person moments like the other leads
I've watched like 3 videos about Not Cool and I have to idea who that is lmao
RIGHT???
Honestly even the trailer of holidaysburg just completely destroyed the whole of "Not Cool". the most pathetic thing is that shane actually tried to validate his win by saying that the people who voted for him weren't just his 10 year old fan base. Then he said that critics didn't know what they were talking about. Even I got second hand embarrassment when I saw the two movies side by side. The fact that holidaysburg didnt get more recognition is a crime.
i just find it funny how he seriously thinks his movie is just the peak of cinema or something... like it’s truly baffling how he thinks he knows more than film critics, whose whole careers revolve around films
Hey! Don't disrespect 10 year olds like that, no one likes Shane Dawson.
definitely, I’d easily put hollidaysburg alongside most charming and slightly corny teen romantic dramas on Netflix like it doesn’t stand out as a bad film at all it’s just appropriate for the genre and level of experience the director had she definitely should’ve won and the reviews for her her film are way better and ten year olds thankfully can’t leave most of those so it just proves Shane’s film shouldn’t have won
The fact that Heather was supposed to be a female lead in Not Cool…
This! I thought of her just as an annoying side character lol
@@moononthewindynight27 same. she isn't even in the movie poster!
No wonder everyone on The Chair hated Shane’s movie so much. A.M’s is an actual MOVIE. Shane’s is... just a really long TH-cam video. And the dude thinks he knows a single thing about film 🤦♀️
he even included a Carter from his Chanel the bus driver lady
I came down here to say this. Not Cool is a TH-cam video that would have belonged on Shane's channel, but A.M. made a film
I was 9-14 when I watched Not Cool on Netflix. I only watched because I recognized Shane's face. I didn't watch his videos, or anything and I was like "oh he's from TH-cam" and thought it would be funny. I was wrong. I hated it. I hate gross out humor mostly, and I didn't think it was funny, I just kept thinking "wtf"
PurpleZombie 9-14 is a very huge span dude
@@queenjeski591 I can't remember my exact age because I just don't remember that point in my life all that much because of reasons. So instead of trying to do math I just put in a general time frame. I mentioned my age because I see adults watch this and get uncomfortable and I was like "oh so I'm not the only one". All I remember is just not liking it abd being super uncomfortable the whole time.
AM's movie reads like a student film: taking itself too seriously, not perfect, but watchable and sincere. It is a student's film worthy of an award. Shane's film isn't a movie.
I don't think it's fair to say her movie took itself seriously. It took itself the right amount of serious. It's just not a comedy but you can't tell me that movie takes itself too seriously when the main characters just headbutt each others at one of the emotional climaxes of the movie. The end quote may have been too much and just voiceover in general do tend to make everything sounds overly pretentious and melodramatic but the movie has decent humor just because it focus on somewhat serious topic like talking about depression or just portrays character emotional journeys through a more serious lens doesn't mean it takes itself too seriously. It just takes itself a decent level of seriously because it's not a comedy.
@@ArturGlass.C okay- we're allowed to have different opinions. ☺
I went into the Apple movie store, and I think it says a lot that the "like this film recommendations" for Hollidaysburg are mostly other quirky indie selections. Meanwhile, the similar recommendations for Not Cool are mostly other TH-camr movies and parody films (like the low quality sequels to Scary Movie... Which is already a low bar).
I mean, isnt Not Cool supposed to be a parady movie sorta? I'm not defending it, but it wasnt supposed to be a serious movie.
@@firstnamelastname9051 it is supposed to be seen as "serious" movie in the sense that shane was trying to break out of the youtube mold. yes it was a comedy but its not considered like a real comedy movie like Pineapple Express, American Pie, Hangover etc. Not saying those movies are good or funny, but people take them as REAL comedy movies, compared to Shane's "Not Cool" which feels like a long youtube skit.
@@firstnamelastname9051 The point was it was a BAD parody. You can go have funny parodies like Not Another Teen Movie that are supposed to not be serious, fun, and light hearted. His film was just an endless parade of horrible raunchy jokes that were not funny and just stupid.
@@bonniehowell4259 I know its a bad parody but OP was saying that when you look at the recommendation/similar movies to NOT COOL it's only other parody movies. That's the point. It's terrible, offensive, and so unfunny but it was a parody nonetheless so it makes since why other parodies were recommended. That's was what I was saying lol
@@jess9722 never said it was that's why other stupid, silly movies were in OP's recommended
i wish A.M. would've kept heather Asian. I think it would've worked better in her family dynamic to show the amount of pressure Asian parents often put on their children. It could've been an interesting critique of pressure to do well in school/careers within Asian culture.
I agree! I think sometimes people get scared in situations like this that people will feel it’s a stereotypical portrayal of an Asian family or something like that though. Maybe that’s why she didn’t do it? Who knows
It would’ve added soo much flavor
Idk I think since she is a white director it might have come off stereotyping to portray an Asian family that way (although I agree that she should have kept the main character Asian, if nothing else than to make the characters distinguishable.
I think her as a white director does not have a place to really comment on Asian -American culture. Since she did not grow up in that environment, she does not actually understand the reality of the stereotype
Marina Lipshutz yeah, I can agree with that. I still just wish the movie could’ve been more diverse
Shane's "movie" just looks like a long TH-cam skit, not a real movie lmao
That's because he's not a director! It's so annoying the way he tries to represent himself as one when he has no real experience or knowledge.
That’s cause that’s all the experience he has and he wants to be one but he needs to learn subtle nuances I think he’s gotten better but he still needs like a mentor or to take a class or something or maybe it’s just something he doesn’t have there’s always that raw talent which she (Anna) seems to have and then there’s shane with work he could get better at doing like a hangover/ white Chicks type movie but I can’t see him making a film like Anna’s where it’s a romcom and the comedy is subtle
Just like his "documentaries"
I saw another TH-camr review it and oh my God it was terrible and disgusting with all the cringe and uncomfortable sex jokes. Especially when you realize his audience was a bunch of kids.
Yes!
Anna’s movie actually feels like an movie. Shane’s feels like a very long, cringy, TH-cam video. Shane’s was also very messy and highly unrealistic, nor relatable.
yeah, like it feels like these skits my 8 year old sister watches and they just scream and make bathroom jokes
shane purposefully removing a healthy lesbian couple doesnt sit right with me....
Some of that sweet sweet internalized homophobia I suppose
wizz yet he still make out with onision and joey lol
Let me just take this nice, progressive example of LGBT diversity and instead make it ableist as fuck
@@NoNa-zc7ul that's why it's internalized lol
Thirteen but wouldn’t that mean he would hate all gays? Not only lesbians
i live for your bubbly personality while completely exposing shane dawson for his terrible attitude
Loll thank you so much!
He really said "💖👑🎀🎶😘✨~You're trash~✨💫💎🌺💕"
@@chloe._. fr!!
@@NickDiRamioTV new favourite commentary channel!
Seriously! Made with hit that subscribe button with a quickness ❤️
Let’s go support this woman. She seems like she has talent, and she also seems like she’s able to learn and grow. I want more good movies so we must fund her somehow.
YES to this!
Shane's movie looks like a uncensored Nickelodeon movie.
Shane uses toilet humor the same way Dan Schneider uses feet and food
enyacoladas why is that so true tho. it hurts, the secondhand embarrassment hurts
Jordan *shudders*
It’s also just so odd how he’s supposed to be this heartthrob but what super hot jock in any film even in parodies or comedies has ever been insanely awkward and caught pooping on someone’s lawn? I just don’t really get what he was trying to get at
It's Fred on on bath salts
Shane's movie seems like a self insert fanfic.
Except I’ve read better self insert fanfic
So, in Holidaysburg, Scott's brother is there to inform the character of Scott's past, show us why Scott was popular, and gove someone for Scott to bounce off of to show his character early in the film.
In "Not Cool" Scott's sister was there for.....Drew Monson's character to chase after. And to listen to the Degrassi song.
Yeah Holidsayburg gives off major first time indie movies vibes but A.M. was ROBBED
“Vegetables, the hardest word to say when you’re gay” is iconic?
Hahahaha! 🥕🏳️🌈
🥦🏳️🌈
The word that is hardest for me is Crayon, aparantly the way I say it is cute, gay, and hilarious. I'll have to say vegetable more to see if it's similar lol.
I’m pretty gay, but the word I get called out for the most is ‘seagull’, because I was born in Scotland and live in Australia 🤷🏻😂
@@mj5697 You were doing your part to honor the seagull, my personal gay icon. Ever since I saw one holding a blue thong on the beach. Such majestic creatures.
Most unrealistic part of "hollidaysburg" was that tori had her head on the bus window and it wasn't hitting it over and over again
Can't change my mind
I could never do it cause it made my ear buzz and tickle lol along with hurting my head against it.
Lmao true, but am I the only one who likes the bumping? Idk if it’s being concussed and passing out but it’s relaxing 😌
Can’t disagree.
@@andrealuissaa omg LMAO
@@edentwinn4776 LOL
Oh my god it took watching this 4 times to realize the “senior portrait” is a gag bc the senior class dresses up like a senior citizen
👁👄👁 thats why he kept talking about not wearing a wig, and why he was wearing a fuzzy sweater and glasses
I May Be Stupid
I didn’t “get it” at all. Thank you so much for explaining that!!
Me either don’t feel bad if none of us got it then that means that they fail to accurately explain it and missed the mark. That was the directors error in my opinion
@@shmooboogieharper748 yeah like all they needed was to buy a Grey wig from party city.
You’re so smart, I did not understand that part at all lolz
I didn't get it at all lol
Thanks for the info
all the dialogue in shane’s movie is just so awkward and unnecessary like why is everything so overly sexual?
Right?? And if not sexual just flat out disgusting or disrespectful ..
I remember back in the day being unable to watch his content because it felt like he was overly obsessed with sex. Forcing in sexual humor when it was not needed, even to the point where nothing taboo would get in the way.
In one of Ryland's TH-cam video Shane confess he is obsessed with porn. I think that obsession it's part of The reason all his past content was overly sexual. Shane have so many problems.
@@volkovix_ Maybe that's where he got all his ideas of what "acting" is too....
Hollidaysburg was by no means perfect, but by god it was a damn good first-director film. If I was auditioning for these two directors, I'd much rather want to work with Anna than Shane.
to me ofc it wasn’t perfect if it was against top notch directors but like u said for it to be her first directed film it was pretty good and to me it was damn near perfect compared to seeing shane’s and knowing it could’ve been WAY worse💀💀💀
I havent seen the whole video yet but it sounds like this particular director has legitimate talent, like she can only get better going forward.
Its a small thing but its very relatable to me: A.M Heather wearing the same hoodie and has the same hair every time she appears lets me empathize with her. She probs hasnt showered, changed her clothes, looked at a mirror etc all thanksgiving weekend. I do it too when im depressed.
26:08 agreed, hollidaysburg is laughing at racism, not cool is laughing with racism.
exactly!!
You know it's bad when You-Know-Who himself is calling out your bullshit.
Since we’re talking about Shane taking criticism, do you guys remember when he met his “hater” and guilt tripped him into taking everything he said back?
Bobby Burns*
@@Berrysweetandrea oof flash backs
Also remember when he kept paying kids to come to his house and be his "son" and then recently shane said that he makes ryland call him daddy🤢 I always thought hiring the kid to be his son was weird but it's even worse looking back at it now🤢
@@bayleesmith9448 aaaaaa makes me sick, even creepier when u realise ryland has a baby face🤢🤢🤢
The funny thing is Bobby brought up his blackface in his "hater" video. Shane conviently left that part out
I really appreciated Heather’s posture as she ate the pizza. I felt like it showed her depression further by her not having the energy/desire to raise the slice to her mouth. It also seemed as though it was comforting her so she was almost snuggling into it to feel better.
I was so invested in your breakdown of Hollidaysburg that whenever you switched to Shanes movie, I got bloody whiplash
Hirsch right? every time it cut to shane’s i was like no no no go back please
Lmao same!!!
ikr, he went for very long periods of time without going back to Not Cool that when he finally did it I was like oh, this was a part of the video too..
Same
@@memorydocumentation5942 I just got off t I r
So basically Hollidaysburg is like an actual movie directed by a rookie director (which it is), while Not Cool is pretty much just a crappy TH-cam sketch
Ok ok ok I'm like legitimately angry that Shane took out the lesbian representation and replaced it with a bunch of weak homophobic jokes for some cheap laughs from 15 year olds (and then didn't even get those laughs because most teenagers stopped finding that funny in like 2005.)
I’m glad he took it out, like imagine the disgusting things Shane would’ve done with the couple
Agree, but homophobic/ableist jokes went FAR past 2005. I remember sadly making those types of jokes myself in 2017/2018 along with others
I really wish Shane hadn’t cast himself as “Scott”....I feel like it was so uncomfortable to read him as a “heart throb”....it never came across that way, not once.
Nah, I glad Shane casted himself bc If he had someone else to play Scott in his movie, the dude's career would probably be ruined :|
Yeah, with Anna’s I could 100% see Scott as a popular jock who played football and was probably prom king. But with Shane in that role he seems more like he was apart of the scene crowd, not particularly popular, didn’t go to any high school events, and didn’t like the jocks.
I watched it last night (for free) and it was so boring and uncomfortable except any time Drew had a moment (still uncomfortable but at least in a semi-relatable way).
If shane had just taken criticisms of his direction without taking it as criticism of self, and cast himself only as Joel, it could have been bearable. Not good and still undeserved, but not a garbage heap that's worse than The Room.
It's clear to me now that Shane can't do any projects without tainting them with his own hang ups. He took out the gay couple and added a bunch of gay jokes because he had internalized homophobia seeping through his body. He cast himself as the "heartthrob" but was unable to portray that on screen because of his own insecurities with his appearance and masculinity. He constantly made shock-value sex jokes on his channel and in his movie because he struggled with his sexuality and sexual trauma from his childhood. Even in the "documentaries" he makes now, he spends all of his time trying to give problematic people a redemption arc because he is scared of his own problematic past. It's one thing to use art to express yourself and your stories and experiences, but it's a whole other thing when you completely lack self-awareness and are unable to make stories for an audience other than yourself. That's also probably why he can't take criticism from anyone else. It seems he's insecure and scared, unable to cope with his own issues, and uses his medium as a way to get validation.
Damn you went in
Abigail Karas Lol COVID got me with too much time on my hands 😩
Abigail Karas right? I was like this chick just gave me a full 6-credit Masters level psychology course in the comment section.
@@IsabellaLomax Holy cow, I feel you with the covid thing. I have to stop myself from rambling in like... Every comment section! (Although your rant was incredibly insightful, whereas mine are more... Analyzing how good my garlic bread is compared to the garbage Gordon Ramsay is yelling about in Kitchen Nightmares. Ah shit, here I go again...)
Damn, Sigmund Freud who? You just psychoanalyzed the hell out of Shane lol. Bravo. 👏
I feel like no one was even saying “that’s gay” as an insult in 2014.
Definitely not
chirren people say that stuff today idk what you're talking about. maybe it's just because i live in idaho tho lol
@@ritzcrackee must be just y'all then. it's so outdated lol
@@daydreams6956 yeah everything kind of sucks here lol
she,they *crying noises*
To be fair to you and Idaho, while casual homophobia has been largely phased out of common vernacular in the last 10 years or so, there are still plenty of people I see call things “gay” just online and it doesn’t warrant much of a response, which is weird.
By the way, since we’re on the subject, let it be remembered that we’ve all engaged in that casually homophobic behavior as recently as 10-15 years ago, so cancel culture is inherently hypocritical and full of shit when targeting individuals for previous words or actions that were once widely accepted or overlooked at the time.
The concept of The Chair is kinda genius, sad they let Shane ruin it :( hope someone makes something similar or revives it cause its a great idea
If they do, it would be smarter to maybe pin people against each other who come from similar backgrounds instead of putting a relative unknown against someone with a following. IMHO, this was rigged from jump against A.M.
I agree. This reminds me of a show that only aired one season in the early 2000's called Project Greenlight. It took a group of aspiring film makers and made a low budget horror film based on the one that won. The movie actually wasn't terrible and I wish it was renewed.
I think picking somone with a huge social media following ruined it. Its obvious people would vote for a movie if they were already fans.
It would be interesting to see it done again with two directors who have totally different goals/approaches to film, but neither of them really has a following yet, so there's no fandom to sway the vote overwhelmingly toward one regardless of the film itself.
If it was handled by sky like their artist of the year series or bbc with the likes of MUA it could have been a home run
Imagine being AM Lukas and losing to Not Cool. I would never direct again.
sadly shane used his youtube fame to help him win. really unfair
Apparently she's still making films, so that's good news
i watched the first couple of episodes of the chair documentary and she went in knowing she was gonna lose bc she knew she couldnt compete with shanes fanbase. but she still took that opportunity to go out of her comfort zone and create something meaningful!
@@mariasotomayor4454 hey heyy! Sorry to be THAT person asking but did you watch it recently or when it came originally came out? If recently,could you lemme know where to watch? Thanks I'd appreciate it! Been trying to see it and have searched everywhere 😕😔
@@mariasotomayor4454 i thought it would judged by competent critics, if it was literally just for fun and a popularity contest then you cant expect much.
Ugh hers is like a cute indie movie and his is literally just like an hour long TH-cam video. She really deserved the win.
in AM's film, i can actually believe that scott was the popular guy at school. shane inserting himself into his movie made no sense for several reasons, the biggest one being that he did not come off at ALL like a former 'popular' kid.
RIGHTT I didn't buy into that at all. plus shane is always branding himself as being the weird kid in high school so it was so hard to believe
Ngl he should've been the emo kid with that long hair. I imagine a hot popular kid in highschool is a buff, clean cut hair and a jock.
@@paindemie5491 Honestly. The Hair And The Passion For Photographing Makes Me Think Scott Was A Artistic Kid Who Loved 2000s Fashion Rather Than A Popular Kid
Theres a lot I like about Anna's movie. So unfair that it was buried by Shane. I really enjoy the quote she added about dying and being born again each day. I suffer from short term memory loss (and a lot of memory loss in general) I used to get very angry at myself for it. It is so frustrating to not be able to remember. The idea of being born again new each day is a comforting thought.
Maybe you could write it down. I think I might write it down and pin it up, I really like it.
@@faeriegraver that's a good idea
Same here! I feel like I’m always NOW in this very second. Yesterday is a blur and tomorrow is impossible to imagine.
11:16 people who say “this was in 2014!!!!” act like 2014 was like decades ago, in the olden times. It was only 6 years ago! I was a high school junior in 2014 and the problematic humor they show in Not Cool wasn’t funny even then!
I'm Cambodian and my family were refugees to u.s. A.M. most recent short film is about Cambodian refugees. I wish she'd been able to get funding for a film. But it's worth a watch to see how much she has improved
if thats u in ue pfp i just wanted to say ur absolutely gorgeous
@@captaintapwater7833 ty!
Thats sick dude
Thanks for the recommendation!! Now I'm crying 😭
Heather was my favorite character because they took a common character (the popular hot girl) and gave her depth which not a lot of movies do
So true! In Shane's movie she was just the dude's ex, but in AM's she was adapted into her own person which I loved.
Could you imagine if she had won though??? Omg, Shane stans would’ve torn her to absolute shreds
PrincessAdriGirl I used to be a shane stan when I was around 13 and I thought his blackface was just a joke because I'm white so I had no reason to be offended by it but as I got older I realized this man's ”humor” is not funny it's trashy and ignorant
So that's my take on shane stans:3
maddy vanzandt I wasn’t talking about his past skits, just the competition???
I was a Communications honours student at an all girl college, we had film projects and had to help our seniors with theirs too and let me tell you... Men
Men get near a working woman and have this strong, irresistible urge to tell them how to do everything.
Omg I can imagine
Shane's film compared to this feels like one of those shitty parody films in the 2000s recreating scenes from the film they parody. (Like Epic Movie, Disaster Movie, Vampires Suck etc)
That's exactly what he made
Also a huge inspiration was apparently Super Bad which I think he missed the mark so much it truly ended up - super bad.. lmao
Funny enough, for a long time, I thought Shane's film was a parody of the "college girl stuck in the high school emotional capacity despite being in college going home for the holidays" trope. I didn't realize that it was part of a competition until I saw reaction videos.
how old a movie is shouldn't have anything to do with someone's right to critique it. if it's problematic, it's problematic. that's the name of the game when you release a film into the public.
Agreed! Besides the movie is only 6 years old its not like it was made in the 50s 🙄🙄🙄
Berta Rodrigue z Exactly, like I’m 36 and Shane movie was extreme for 2014. Like maybe if it had been done around 1999 when Something About Mary was released and popular I would have to give some of it a pass. But in 2014 his movie was completely problematic.
Context matters in some cases. Some films are representative of their time, others may seem antiquated to us but are in fact landmark films for promoting some idea or representation. Example would be Rocky Horror Picture Show. I’ve seen some young young gays call it transphobic, but it was game-changing in featuring trans community (transvestite or transgender), bisexuality, homosexuality, and all that jazz. Just because it wouldn’t fly if it were released today doesn’t mean that it didn’t do something for the people at the time. There’s a reason why LGBT consider it a quintessential household film and why a lot of young gay men and drag queens dress up as one of the characters and show up to at least one midnight premiere in their lives.
Talyn has time Yeah but Shane’s doesn’t fit that description. Something About Mary is extremely problematic now but it was kind of a landmark movie at the time. But Shane’s humor had been something most people had evolved past in 2004. Hence why Farrelly Brothers stopped being successful.
i literally BUSTED UP at "i love sensible women... i would watch the babysitter's club everyday; these girls are entrepreneurial, i stan!" like that was so funny...
Hahah thank you!!
Hollidaysburg was better because she listened to what the practice audience had to say. She listened to criticism, she let people help her make her movie better. She WANTED people to like and enjoy her movie. Shane did none of that and made a movie that would solely please him and him alone. I think that's the major difference between her movie and Shane's. She cared about making movies, she wanted to do this. Shane just seemed like he only wanted to make a movie because TH-camr movies were popular at the time and he thought if he jumped on that train it would boost his popularity. Also, Hollidaysburg aged well. It feels like movies I've watched on Netflix by indie directors. That gritty real-life inspired vibe. Straight Up, Duck Butter, The End of the F***ing World, I Am Not Okay With This vibes.
i feel like if Shane kept in the lesbian couple, he would have just oversexualized them...
Yeah, I’m kind of glad he didn’t keep them because that would of fucked me up when I was younger
I can already imagine he would have had them half naked and making out or about to make out in every scene they're in and they'd be in scenes where it makes no sense. I feel like that is what happens when people try to oversexualize lesbians...it's never funny, it's just feeds that gross narrative that lesbians are there for men and to impress them..
As he does with everything
He for sure would've included a scene where he or another guy like masturbates watching them or like watches them kissing and is like obviously turned on and says something like "Oh yeah.... wait don't stop!"
i’m thinking about a sketch he did (was it the degrassi “parody” he did?) where two of the characters talk crudely about the sex they were planning to have so i think you’re right here
hollidaysburg is also kinda timeless like i can watch this now and believe it's set in 2020, a kinda vintage 2020 but i really appreciate it. not cool however looks like an eagle puked on the US flag and they wrapped the actors in it. oof.
Hollidaysburg is funny and interesting.
when i saw the clips of hollidaysburg, i tought that it was filmed in 2019, it was amaizing to realize when it was filmed.
i feel like a.m.'s movie was for teenagers becoming adults, and shane's movie was for.. kids
But too wrong for kids to watch
@@Indiejones13 right!! and yet too gross and childish for anyone older than 12
For people with no taste
like kid adults(?)
True
Shane’s sense of humor was very juvenile and weird for his age back then. Like even the baby carrot joke. Why a baby carrot and not the regular carrot? It implies that she was younger because she was able to contact her hymen with a two inch carrot. Then there was the blind joke and the sh*t eating joke, etc. He wasn’t even funny overall in my opinion. He was just controversial and not even in a creative way. It was always at the expense of a group of people, instead of poking fun at the ridiculousness of the situation.
Edit: it’s sad that she lost to Shane when her movie is blatantly better
Holy shit - I didn’t even realize that’s what he was implying with the carrot specifically being a baby one. I just thought it was a non sense detail.....gross
His humor was extremely inappropriate because it was sexual humor for kids that probably weren’t even growing pubes when they watched it. Plus he’s an older man. It’d be one thing if he was someone his audience’s age making the jokes, but no, he’s always had at least a decade on his audience. I just don’t think making sexual jokes to underaged kids when you’re a grown ass adult is appropriate. Maybe by the time they hit 16 and it’s family and that’s just how your humor works with family, but... Unsettling and creepy as fuck.
I'm embarrassed to have ever supported him
Making contact with a hymen is not like making contact with a g spot the hymen is literally just on the opening of the vulva even a baby carrots could hit it but yeah if he was sexually abused as a child he would have his age likely stunted
I was 16 when Not Cool came out and even at that age i still didnt think it was funny (& thats coming from a former fan who pre-ordered the movie on itunes. I couldn't even get through 20 minutes LOL). How someone at Shane's old age found any of that funny, idk.
Thank you for talking about Holidaysburg. Before you I have no idea that film existed or that they were part of a competition or reality show. You’re the only one I’ve heard talking about it so thank you so much for blessing us with all your time and effort to make this video!
You’re so welcome thanks for watching!!
Frankly I find the script Shane and Anna had to follow to just be a boring story to work with. However, I cannot understand why Shane replaced Scott's parents moving with them shutting down a Vinyl store.... Like there's so much more depth to a storyline about Scott not being ready to leave forever
A.M. casting herself with a vocal chord injury reminds me of David Lynch casting himself in Twin Peaks to play a character with hearing loss, allowing him to shout all of his dialogue incredibly loudly because he knows his voice is hilarious.
Haha apparently he wrote the character with hearing loss because he wasn't a professional actor and he knew he wouldn't be able to deliver lines as well as the other actors on screen, so he gave himself a gimmick to distract from that. I think he nailed it lmao
@@j-skullz what a smart idea, never seen twin peaks but i respect the choice
The sheer difference in camera work in Holidaysburg vs Not Cool is so good it actually feels like a real movie while Not Cool feels like it was shot on an iPhone with as many overhead lights as they could find
CRAZY that Nick can't say sex without being demonitized. Yet Shane had all this trash on his channels MONETIZED for YEARS!!!! What is wrong with this picture?!?!?
Shane hasn’t been monetized in years... they just removed his ability to attempt monetization
@@BeLikeNexus i think he has been monetized. it the sponsorships that he rarely gets and has said so.
@@GotoMaki4Micah He's shown that in the videos he has monetized his CPM is a fraction of a cent. So even when he gets 20Mill views its unlikely that he's even made a few thousand $
@@BeLikeNexus he has been monetized for all these years, he just recently got demonetized
@@kerri6011 Umm no hes had the feature enabled until recently but he hasnt been making anything from ad rev for years. Since before the adpocalypse when youtube changed all their guidelines for monetization
“You think I don’t know depression? I used to go to Subway for DINNER every night.”
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I remember one year all I did was stay in one spot and play video games. Like, I wake up, sit up, grab my controller, and start playing. I’d stop to use the bathroom, then my bf and I would go to subway or get pizza logs. I gained so much weight because I ate takeout every day for a year. Our room was gross. That’s depression yo. I’ve gotten better with cleaning at least, but not much has changed
The TH-cam algorithm threw you at me, and babes I've never been more happy to catch a channel in my recommended.
I’m so honored and thrilled to hear that! Thank you 😊 🥰
I thought Holidaysburg was cute and gave coming of age Netflix movie vibes
I wouldn't say it was a mistake to cast the daughter as white with an Asian mom, but a missed opportunity to add in that she was adopted. Then worked that into the plot detail of always feeling different.
That's actually so ingenious!!
Still woulda preferred the actress to be Asian or half at least
@@user-182hsj I agree. Would have been great Asian rep, considering she was a hot, popular girl rather than the stereotypical brainiac
Lady Green Tea omg yesss. Ugh missed opportunity and this isn’t the first and only time ppl wanna take away Asian rep and put someone else on screen 🙄
@@user-182hsj ok but as other comments pointed out if she was asian people would be mad at the white director for talking about POC experiences
Woah Holidaysburg actually looks beautiful, the colours just work so well. Holidaysburg really just has a higher level of quality.
Watching “Not Cool” and “Holidaysburg” you can see how much better “Holidaysburg” is. It might not be perfect, but it is a lot better.
Weirdly enough the ONLY thing I like about shane's movie was his head shaving scene. Shane and SO many guys around 2014 were grappling with the fact that their bieber hair was no longer in, and that they couldn't use it a crutch anymore really resonated having known a bunch of those dudes. Like loosing that hair did seem like a huge moment for his character in realizing he needs to stop holding on to the past.
That being said it would have been a great scene in a way better movie :x
I feel like you managed to figure out a deeper meaning that Shane didn't even mean to portray, I think he meant it as 'oh Scott is shaving off his beautiful hair and it symbolises letting go of his ego/one of the things that makes him so attractive'. I don't think he thought half as deeply as you did with this comment when he was making the movie, it seems so superficial
Frosty Teacup i don’t even think it was a scott thing. i think it was a shane shaving his hair in the movie for this fans thing 😭, especially when you find out he was wearing wigs in his videos after bc he thought his hair was part of his brand
@@laurenashley1137 oh yeah I definitely agree, my comment was probably the explanation he gave to himself and the rest of the team to be able to incorporate it into the film lol. The majority of his movie is literally him living out his teenage fantasies, doing what he wasn't able to do in his real life (be the hot, popular guy that gets lots of girls). I feel sorry for him in that he had such a tough childhood and tbh it makes sense to want to live out your fantasies through your creative work, but Not Cool just ended up being a cringefest. It's a big *yikes* from me.
That's kind of why I used like Shane Dawson. A lot of his videos were low-hanging fruit and shock jokes, but there'd often be these occasions where he'd suddenly get very profound.
lauren ashley I can’t find anything on him wearing wigs
Fun fact I am actually going through a major depressive episode lately and earlier I had to like eat and I felt so genuinely exhausted that I basically had to half-lay on the table exactly like Heather did when she was eating pizza.,, so I’d say it’s not completely unrealistic lmao,,,
I'd love to see you do a comparison between old 'Heathers' and new 'Heathers'. I think you'd have A LOT to say
Oooh awesome idea!
I'm sure there is no comparison. These reboots are an insult to the past
Yes please do that Nick !!!
Nick DiRamio this might make the video too long lol but theres a musical too!!! its probably my favorite version
You shouldn’t even call Shane’s thing a “movie.” It was just a longer, unfunny, racist skit that had no cohesive plot/characters. New subscriber by the way..great analysis of both movies!!
period . speak for the choir honey !!!!
I used to be a fan of shane dawson and i even bought his book, i vaguely remember hearing about the movie in the book so i went back and this is a direct quote from shanes book 'it gets worse', " I couldn't care less about a great plot with inspired performance. I'm lookong for shows that dedicate entire budgets to providing the camera crew with barf bavs and an on-set grief counsler. I want it bad and i want it sad." Let that sink in considering the context of the video.
Oof 😬😬😬