rank resets are disproportionately worse for lower ranked players, when everyone gets moved towards the middle the below average players need to lose a lot to get back to their mmr. High rank players need to win like 60-70% to get back to their rank and a ton of lobbies get stomped for a while.
mhm, this is genuinely awful. some time in season 2 or season 3, i queued into a masters game on DPS. i would later fall all the way to bronze 1. today i'm silver 1, still nowhere near masters and it would still be an absurdly unfair match today.
I feel like one of the biggest problems with ranked resets is that they usually decay everyones rank down by a few tiers. This means that you get placed in the rank below whatever you were at before, which on paper is fine you'll just climb out of it in a few games. The problem is that everyone else who was at your old rank has now also been deranked. This means in order to get back to your old rank, you actually have to be as good as people who were a full rank above you before the rank reset. It's super demoralizing being a pretty long time masters player who couldnt break out of diamond last season. almost every player in my games was also a former masters player, i would essentially have had to be gm pre ranked reset to get back to my rank.
I think part of the idea was that the rank curve was too flat, (I.e., too many players in both GM and bronze) so the rank reset made the distribution curve a bit steeper. This was intentional, they wanted masters and GM to be ranks that were harder to get and stay in. There’s a reason that there’s only like 50 champ ranked players in the entire world. So you being diamond isn’t any indicator of your skill level being worse, they just changed the skill requirement to be a masters player to be higher than it was previously
I think this was supposed to be a joke because it's a universal joke right now to call everything gaslighting if you're trying to express an idea or make a point in any form.
Another thing about the ranked resets making you think you are worse I have noticed, is that people sometimes don't recognise that everyone has just been placed in a lower rank, so maybe gold games will feel like plat games, cause everyone in the lobby are former plats. Seen a lot of people hit this wall right on the day of the reset and then beat themselves up and hit that nasty cycle Spylo described where they start playing worse cuz they think they need to change things up.
BIG HUGE GINORMOUS W take on rank resets. It makes the experience so much more miserable for everybody involved. The good news is that the second one seemed to shake things less than the first, but honestly I'd rather not have them entirely.
I also suffered from ranked anxiety. I would be severely shaking in ALL my POTGs and even the enemy would be like “Holy crap”. What i did to overcome this is- Played more often on a specific hero to gain more confidence in taking a 1v1. Typically these moments happen when an enemy is capturing a checkpoint, the enemy is putting a lot of pressure on me, or when they are about to win the match. What you need to learn is anything is possible in OW, but there is not much you can do except what you know how to do. So don’t stress yourself out trying to make an outcome happen that is one in a million. Take 1v1s, shoot at the right target, do what you know how to do to win a game. After that, it’s up to you to learn how and where you can be better. The better you are, the more confidence you have. The more confidence you have, the better you can become.
Dude I was making breakthroughs on my mental, my gameplay and hitting my peak rank I’d wanted for years in S8, then they hit the reset button and I’ve never recovered. It’s not even about getting back to the rank now, all the progress I built crumbled because of the reasons you listed and it took nearly a year to realise. Feel like I took 30 steps backwards.
Spilo, there's even more going on with the rank resets. Since this was a "limited" rank reset, all the Devs did was drop everyone about one skill tier. So, people found themselves lower, but facing their peers and trading ELO back and forth, like before, but now at a lower rank, which is further messing with their mental game.
With regards to the first point. It's important to keep in mind that Overwatch can be a very mentally draining game, there's a lot going on, you have to do a lot of things to pull your weight, games can be very gruelling in bad situations, etc. While you'll definitely play better in the morning be wary of making your shift way way worse by burning yourself on some bad comp games before your shift. Do not be afraid to just go back to quick play if it's not going well.
Each rank reset I lost one whole tier and it took some time to get back where I was Matchmaking is hella weird. I used to trust it, but I've started to doubt its fairness.
I see that argument about the rank resets, especially about how much importance is put on placements. I took a month long break from overwatch, came back, and am back in masters for the first time in a while, despite feeling like I've been playing worse on a personal level. But I got a bit lucky with the matches, so here I am
"Hot take: Not every loss is Blizzard’s fault or some 'forced 50/50' nonsense. If you're better than your rank, you'll climb-simple as that. Matchmaking isn't perfect, but it’s not the Illuminati deciding your games. Focus on improving instead of crying conspiracy theories."
nah this is just objectively true. it's not "forced" 50/50 it's just people being at their correct rank will win on average half of the time. it's a natural 50/50
Regarding comp anxiety: I think that this is primarily a problem of focus. Whether you have an inferiority complex or not is irrelevant to the fact that your emotions and thoughts of how others perceive you is irrelevant to the game itself. Simply orienting your focus on the game and your decision-making within the game will improve comp anxiety. Obviously, focus is something that has to be honed and developed for most people, but if you "focus on focusing" your anxiety will improve, and so will your decision-making in the game. This is what has worked for me.
Ranked resets are a nightmare bc they keep me from playing. I don't want to play with fkn plats man, they're toxic and have no idea what's going on. The experience of taking constant psychic damage playing with delusional throwers isn't worth grinding back up to masters+ where I can play the game without my blood pressure rising bc I'm able to comfortably expect a baseline level of competency from my team So I've just not been playing ranked at all, what's the point? Your QP MMR is the exact same and people sweat QP like crazy so why not just play QP and get an objectively better competitive experience?? Crazy idea but maybe I've been playing the game over masters for 5+ years: it *might* be bc I belong there and resetting me back into plat/diamond constantly is genuinely pointless and a huge waste of my time
Rank resets are garbage. They shove everyone towards the middle, which makes bad matches for a long time, and I've seen higher smurf activity after them as well. Counterswapping is real. The biggest issue is when the whole team countrswaps, or your team doesn't understand how to play around it. E.g. the enmy goes Zarya, so you cannot protect your teammates from her beam, so they need to respect her space. I can play around Zarya just fine. But if my teammates just charge her bubble and walk into her beam, there's not much I can do.
I relate greatly to the girl with anxiety. Mine is intrusively bad and I continue to have a very personal fight to manage it. I actively use therapy to help deal with it and improve my lifestyle. For me, when I queue comp it’s like a weight is placed straight into my stomach. I get incredibly tense and irritable. It makes it easier to get emotional about games, ranging from teammate frustration to self-hatred. In general, it’s just not advisable in my opinion to queue until you are able to learn coping mechanisms. But once you have, you really do need to PRACTICE them by queuing. And the advice you gave her, in my opinion, is spot on. Have chats disabled. Having the ability to manually tune out pointlessly unreliable judgment is incredibly useful. Take it slow. Get used to making mistakes and seeing them as positives to learn from. Acknowledge what you did well. I gather that she doesn’t need to train herself to deal with outward anger, so just reassuring yourself that you are playing mindfully is definitely the way to go. Decatastrophize. If there’s anxiety from the rank going up and down, losses and errors, practice building a process to relax yourself. It’s not a life or death scenario. Build acceptance over the rank bar going up and down not changing anything. It does not gauge how good you are or can become. Most importantly for me is to know your limits. If you feel like you are too stressed to keep playing and can’t calm down, hop off and relax. Repetition: good. Overstimulation: Very very unhealthy. If you can only play one game in a day before you can’t focus anymore and your thoughts are just clouded with negativity, completely fine. Pace yourself to your own needs. Afterwards, meditate. Process what you did well in the games. I find a need to also consider what I need to improve but once you start getting unreasonably self critical, it’s not really going to be the time to think about that part. Rinse and repeat this process, and gradually get used to the experience. The anxiety is unlikely to ever go away, but hopefully it will become more manageable over time.
I used to have a lot of comp anxiety and even after 100s of hours playing comp I still wasn't able to come across that anxiety. Then I genuinely just forced my friend to shout in my ear for multiple matches to do what I was supposed to do and throughout weeks I ended up struggling less ~
Just game while you work. Duh Just go take a bathroom break, and build yourself a game console/PC into the bathroom walls and play from there! Grindset, people! Grindset !
The girl doesn’t need to play the game to push through it. The anxiety very likely has little to do with overwatch. She probably doesn’t have any friends, or a life that she’s happy with outside of the game. Her feelings are a sign that she’s not taking care of herself in other ways that she’s ignoring. Im working 60 hours a week right now, and someone cut me off on the road. I was extremely mad, and wanted to slam my car into theirs, but its because Im not taking good care of myself and feel ignored. I wasn’t really mad at that guy on the road, I need attention and I’m constantly denying it from myself. She needs to go to therapy, and so do I.
ive played so much this season, never played that much. im sitting at over 100h in ranked this season with close to 500 games played. i saw pretty much everything by now, i dropped from diamond 3 all the way to gold 1, was stuck in plat 2-4 for a few weeks and today i climbed back to diamond 3 close to diamond 2. (pretty much hardstuck diamond player forever). the amount of games that im loosing where im lobby best is insane. most of the time it comes down to support and or tank diff. Cant blame the tank everytime, when he has no heals to work with etc. these games are not even that bad, but getting absolutly steam rolled without a chance to do anything feels realy bad. had some of these games and my motivation to reque went instantly to zero (after playing for 3-6h already) and im closing the game. imo playing in the "early" hours of the day and stopping before 10pm saves you alot of looses and will get you more wins, atleast thats my experience. late games are just getting worse by the hour. Sojourn is still fun man, having a blast with her
The main thing I did to overcome ranked anxiety is to just play quickplay because w/l doesn’t matter and develop some skills and experience, then hop into ranked while still treating it like qp. Sure I make stupid plays that probably make me lose a game here and there but I’m still having fun and I’m finally in a proper environment to improve.
People don't play worse or better after rank reset. Most people tanked a whole rank not because of the psychology of it, but just because everyone got pushed down since Champion rank introduction. Current masters lobbies are like GM lobbies before the reset. It trickles down on all the ladder so if you are Diamond 5 player and before you were around diamond 1-masters 5, then literally nothing changed for you. Your lobbies are the same. The only thing that changed is what skill level we are calling "diamond". For example current Masters is 1.5% of the playerbase. Before it was like 3? Gms were 1-1.5% and now they are 0.2%. If you were gm3 before and now you sit in masters 4, it's literally the same thing.
What you talk about on rank resets brings me back to my experience with the first rank reset. I feel hard on the first rank reset and it took me multiple seasons to fully get back to my peak, almost half a year. I decided to take that time to kind of relearn junkrat, since the character had changed a fair bit with the s9 changes, he was not the same anymore, so things that would have previously been unthinkable to me or playstyles that previously I wouldn't have even tried were now all on the table, I wasn't afraid to make mistakes and to limittest myself, trying to find out what worked and what did not. I honestly look back at the months following the rank reset as times of both selfreflection and selfgrowth, I grew more as a player then than I did before s9. I allowed myself to be more creative, instead of playing for the combo which had been pretty much all I used to do. Part of what I am today comes from that time, and honestly, I think the pain was worth it for me, it was the bucket of cold water I needed to finaly step out of my comfort zone and focus on improving as a player.
The rank reset has kept me the same for tank and dps at plat but with release of juno at the same time i shot up to diamond and peaked master but have dropped back down to high diamond
The ranked resets just have me not know or care for rank. Was gm before all the resets, now diamond. Been masters, been plat, been all over the place, just depends on the season I guess
I'd like to share my experience with rank resets. Season 9 rank reset was an ABSOLUTE blessing for me, because before that I was crazy demotivated, almost completely gave up on myself, was borderline dropping to bronze. It was clear I had the potential to climb back to gold 3 where I used to be for a long time, I had game knowledge etc, but I was just so apathetic. With the tank reset I climbed from silver 4 to gold 5, and have been traveling in gold ever since (was in gold 3 at least 70% of the time since season 9), even hit plat a season ago. Normal climbing rate gets so stale and unsatisfying, and it felt very very exciting to have those high-importance high gain high loss games. It had a very refreshing vibe. Leading up to the last reset I was gold 5, cuz I felt very demotivated and frustrated with myself AGAIN for being stuck in gold 3 so much. With the reset, I climbed back to my gold 3 and stayed there. So basically I do this thing a lot when if I start losing rank I really struggle to stop doing it 💀 like I just lose belief in myself and it lasts for sessions and sessions. Over the years I noticed that I am very prone to full on submerging myself into "I will never climb, I'm just not build for video games" mentality, that often persisted even after a win streak that would return me back to where I was. When I lose rank I play way worse, because it gets really hard for me to pay attention and my reaction speed goes down, because I have this apathy, I'm just not excited, I also get bored really easily and just crave to do something dumb. I don't feel rewarded because I feel like I'm SUPPOSED to play well. I often even get upset and tilted over how easy it is for me to outplay my opponents, how I can do dumbest shit and not get punished. However recently the games have been feeling very challenging most of the time, so I'm happy about that. But if there is ever a game that feels like fucking gold 5 all over again, sometimes I do get upset and feel pathetic ngl. Interestingly enough, I'm also very capable of stepping up, like if I play in plat-diamond lobbies (w a friend) I very much blend in normally because I get excited. But in lobbies that feel like gold 5 I often play straight up like a silver, especially since I get bored easily, I need challenge so I artificially "create" it for myself by doing dumb things. Overall, I am very grateful we have rank resets, and I think they are good for motivating players. But also it's unbelievably annoying to play with ppl who don't belong in the same rank, and again from the psychology standpoint, it's so triggering it can force players to fall down. So I don't know if such frequent rank resets are a net positive or a net negative thing. I'd like to say tho, the matchmaking felt way better than how it used to be, even really good some sessions
Genuinely the ranked reset of S9 when champ was intro'd is so terrible. The ways that they changed how ranks are calc'd has ruined all interest for me to play the game. Ive been GM for some 5-6 years, consistently. Even in Overwatch 2 ALL of my comp games (When I play) are Top500 lobbies, but since S9 the game has wanted to throw me into mid dia, and I am just in no way interested in struggling through ranked slop against Top 500 players just to get out of Dia and never reach as high as my old ranks simply because GM is basically top 250 only. The Asian leaderboard across all roles are SO BAD that I think its either tank or DPS, but GM doesnt start until like top 80. Most of EU is like top 300 I think, and all but DPS in America is also top 300 for GM. They have ruined how ranks are calc'd and Im not going to put in time an effort to be rewarded with masters after being a consistent high GM player for years. Not. Interested. The "thrill of the climb" is the fakest thing ever, no one plays ranked "for the thrill of the climb" they play it to improve from where they were at, and no one wants to be systematically held a full rank lower than previous games. Why even add Champion divs 5-1 if youre just going to squish the ranked ladder towards center?
tbf… a lot of ppl were boosted to gm in like season 5 or so when the devs manually adjusted ppl’s rank (cuz a lot were complaining the system was holding their rank back). then a lot of gms started saying everyone in ow2 is boosted and thats why their matches r so unbalanced. so guess what? they did a rank reset. to me this is just the classic “overwatch players never being satisfied” problem.
Ranked resets stress me out because the games are a lot more volatile so usually i just wait until i feel like enough time has passed for the waters to settle.
So far, after 2 rank resets i only get boosted in rank both times on every role, and then after all calibration modifiers expired (roughly 10 games after placements) i managed to drop back to where i was before the reset on DPS (most played role) and maintain more or less my "new rank" as support (play small amount of games - stay where i am, play a lot of games - start to slowly dropping in ranks). On DPS i played 100+ games after placements and got back to where i was before.
Mental energy and physical energy are different things (in my opinion). If I do a full day of manual labour then I've still got plenty of mental energy left for overwatch. If I do a full day of software dev, my decision-making is cooked, but I still have enough physical energy for a run. Both increase tiredness though, so I can't fire both barrels all day.
There is a crossover energy (Fatigue points, if you will) between them. Activities In either category will drain this broader sort of energy. Sometimes you will have all of the energy your activity demands in Mental and/or Physical category but you are Fatigued because of prior exertions and can't quite get the energy out.
Felt the bit at 5:45 in my soul. There are some heroes that simply are more effectively countered by another role rather than your own (so a tank counterswap will do less than a support swap against a hog, genji is more effectively countered by a tank or support swap, and ana's best counters are in DPS and tank). Which is fine, objectively, but what isn't fine is that we understand this concept with DPS and Support better than we do in the tank matchups for some ungodly reason.
One trick dooms and hammys are main tanks that need to look at expanding their hero pool. They have a lot of counterplay and not swapping those characters will cause your team to lose sometimes. Most cases there’s things everyone can do though.
@@legendarydeadweight6372even if that were true, which it's not, bc "fun" is entirely subjective, is it actually fun when the entire enemy team counterswaps you? Like, do you enjoy that feeling? Because it can be avoided by just learning how to play other heroes.
I actually believe that it is harder to like climb back up after de ranking from a bad streak than it is to just normally rank up, especially in the lower ranks.
Well makes sense of you just lost a bunch the game will probably think you were rated to high and you climb slower. But on the other hand winstreaks will have the opposite effect so it should balance out
Yeah because they will match u up with bad players, making the situation worse. All I can say is to find adleast another person to duo with to help with ranking as solo que is kinda ruf
@@KingMaler00 Honestly been feeling this way sometimes. I’ll go through games where I’m the only one on my team who can get out of spawn or people will intentionally throw when they get pissed off. I just don’t get it. Not always, but it’s always annoying when it happens.
with the part on ladder anxiety, if you're unable to sort through those sorts of issues by the sort of general advice people give you, maybe reflect on if there are other areas of your life that cause you to have similar feelings. you might need to see a psychologist or something to help get to the root of whatever issue is causing your problems (these sorts of anxieties are something ive been struggling with for the last 12 years now starting with LoL in S2 and im just now working out there might be something bigger going on lol)
Spilo i love this series and you should absolutely continue it. If you dont, where will all my money graciously go to, if not to you when you make these series???!!!!?!?!? 🥺🥺
So true with the rank reset. Ever since I ranked up to diamond I've been dreading the inevitable rank reset. I would hate to go back to plat and have to climb that again. Not because I can't (in theory I should carry those games), but because I'm afraid of exactly what you said. I get an ego, I disrespect the enemy, feed and throw the games. I spent SO long on getting good that it would completely break my motivation to play if I got stuck in plat again tbh. Tbf tho, the previous 2 rank resets only moved me one tier within the same rank, so maybe I shouldn't worry too much
As for Rank resets as far as motivation goes it depends a lot on the person. I don't think there are going to be many people that go "Oh boy a new season, time to get my rank back!" though. Even if Blizzard has data to conclude that people play more, if people feel generally more negative towards it I think that is a bad thing regardless. I am sure there are people who get demotivated in a different way too. They get to a new shiny rank they have never got before and then abandon competitive to not tarnish it. Then join quickplay games to harass people there about them not playing 'correctly'.
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It's misguided tho. Ranked resets are for the delusional people who think they're better than they are and they're just going to end up in the same rank or lower while the rest of us grind back to where we should be and that delusional person *still* thinks the reset didn't work and they deserve higher
Last one suffers from the opposite to the average player who flames their team instead of acknowledging their own mistakes and focusing on what they can improve.
I would say, counterwatch isn't a hard shutdown, but what it tends to do consistently, is remove the number of good plays at your disposal just based off of the hero matchup. You can always play around counters, you can always find a way and you'll never be hard shut-down. But where in a normal matchup you may have 5 decent options to pick from at any given moment, if you're "countered", that number of decent options may go down to 1-2 viable choices in most cases. So what counterwatch does, is it removes degrees of agency which just feels bad
The issue with how they did the ranked reset on Overwatch is they OVERDID the extremely harsh compression on the ranked distribution. It's extremely demotivating for players to be in a visual rank lower than they were and really bad when you compress too many players downward. It's a bit telling when you have former T500 players in Masters, former GM players in Diamond, Former masters players in Plat... the downstream consequences of that are not pretty for your average player who was Gold-Plat and now has even more wildly wide range of player skill in their matches. That's ALSO why the match qualities have gone down the drain. The distribution has never corrected itself after multiple seasons DESPITE the Devs acknowledging its more severe than they wanted it to be. Ranked resets once in a while are good to clear out Alt + boosted accounts, and can motivate people to play more than they would (some people hit a peak rank and don't want to touch ranked again). But the way they've done it in OW2 is just way too overboard.
Who do you think you are, Nathan!? (good video & nice music, keep up the good work). 6:17 do you (or someone else) have a video or graphic or spreadsheet that can lay out this information in an easily digestable way? Does the hero-map choice depend on rank? I'm a longtime player but other than certain heroes I gravitate towards for certain maps (i.e. Sym on Oasis Gardens) I haven't really studied who I win with on most maps and why, and as KarQ says, the profile info doesn't include map winrate per hero which would be really interesting/helpful data without the need to individually track it.
about the rank resets i was high diamond dps on both my main and alt ( alt was for learning reaper lmao) for many seasons and after reset it placed me gold 1 on my main. I did the same thing where i assumed i’d just control the lobby but then end up basically throwing, for some reason took way too long for me to figure out i should just play like i would in diamond who would’ve thought, now i’m back where i was lol
Season 9 rank reset put me from gm 5 to high top 500 and even though i won some games there, i definitely didnt belong there and went on a big fat losing streak to below my normal rank.
I had the opposite thanks to the resets for tank and dps. Support was 2 divisions off roughly. Tank I've gone from inconsistent low plat to consistent high plat. Dps was silver and skipped to high gold and climed fine to plat despite aim on the heroes I want to learn.
I work 8 hours a day. Up at 5am. Come home and play for hours. I always put in work. And my for my Rank I'm moving up. But, I have a coach. Learning the fundamentals first. And I am doing well. It's all becoming second nature. Use cover .5 second rule, rotating, know when to kite out. Don't chase. Usually they run you into their team and you will immediately out numbered. You don't have to kill them to remove them from the fight. If you have a player that's HP is critical. They won't be threat.
I feel that rank resets are essential to most games to prevent stagnation, but maybe there is a better way to do it. I have felt the fear of queuing that you mentioned at 10:50. I am inexperienced on ow2, I placed plat 5 which is way higher than I belong and I don't want to play again because I know it will drop lol.
DO NOT PLAY COMP RIGHT AFTER YOU GET YOUR 50 WINS I DID THE SAME MISTAKE AND NOW I AM BRONZE IN ALL ROLES INCLUDING OPEN QUEUE PLAY AT LEAST 100 HOURS I HAVE 400 HOURS IN TOTAL AND I AM THE MOST MISERABLE OVERWATCH PLAYER EVER FOR BEING THIS LOW RANKED
I have my own little hot take: Rank inflation isn't real. Or at least there's no reason to believe it exists One of the big memes among high comp nerds is that like, a giga low bronze player in ow1 is somehow on the same level as high diamond in ow2. Or like, plat and below in ow2 encompass bronze in ow1 or other equally ridiculous things. Basically, an ow1 player is having their rank significantly inflated by ow2. There's no evidence for this other than that players who were ranked low in ow1 are climbing in ow2. Which is to be expected because like, they have more experience than they did. I think it's just another thing for comp nerds to feel elitist about. Like it's just a conspiracy theory that gains traction in high comp to make them feel even more elitist. But they kind of don't realize that, by their logic, if everything masters and below is bronze, they're silver. Personally I think ranks kinda deflated. Like if you took a mid diamond player from ow1 and dropped him into ow2, he'd probably place like high gold or mid plat. There's so much more to learn, more heroes to master, more difficult metas, and I'd probably wager that most players are generally better than they were in ow1. Like every returning player is going to be more skilled by virtue of simply having more experience, and every new player is going to be adapting right into the current power structure of the game whereas a returning ow1 player would have to change habits from years of ow1 experience and _then_ learn the new meta
I have a weird situation in regards to the rank reset. I play on 2 accounts, 1 is my ranked comp account and 1 is my quick play with friends account. Up until recently my QP games were around masters and my ranked was in low GM. The QP account is in gold on ranked cause I haven't played ranked in like 5 years on it, but as of the last reset it seems like the ranked MMR replaced the quickplay MMR. I can easily solo carry on Doom or Sigma in the gold games, but it isn't really that fun to smurf montage clips in gold/plat QP. As a result I've been basically 50% win rate in gold QP while climbing to a new high in GM in ranked at the same time. A part of me still doesn't even believe that is the issue because I can't believe they would ranked reset the casual game mode, AND do it not based on the existing MMR, or the highest MMR.
I'll say that I think rank resets are potentially good for people who mostly play in groups. I've been in groups like this, and there were definitely people who were far over ranked and far under ranked, and the system can't really fix the disparity without a reset. I think it can slightly help.
anecdotal, so it doesn't really mean much. that being said, every time they've done a rank reset so far i've actually won most of my placements, but ended up slightly below where i was.
I was consistently high silver-low gold on support on my main. I had a second account that I got placed for the first time in Plat but I was actually hanging and carrying some games... That's slightly gaslighting. I dont even think I changed how I play lol
Man I want to play OW right now, but I just don't know if I can. I'm waiting for 6v6 before I definitively return because the thought of OW is better than the action of actually playing it. Everyone I know hasn't played OW since 2 came out essentially, Hazard looks cool but even though I'm a support player I couldn't care less about anything affiliated with Tanks until 6v6 is back. I've kept up with the updates and all that but haven't played this season, 5v5 just isn't that fun anymore and I couldn't care less about competitive because I'm the only person in my group who even plays it. Marvel Rivals I'm glad you exist because OW needed this push back to their roots, I hope they don't fumble the bag.
It didnt happen to me with a rank reset specifically, but I nearly hit masters on tank during season 5? (the junker queen gigabuff season and currently diamond 5) and when the nerfs came next season I was legitimately both scared and discouraged to play tank at all and thus stopped playing tank for like 6 months until I just took the dive and de ranked (15 straight losses) bc I was so scared of this higher rank that I was at. Being at a rank that you dont deserve to be at doesnt make me more confident so I really dont see the positives of rank resets outside of engagement/player retention purposes which I would be interested to see if thats true
I think rank resets r just dumb because it actually works in quite a weird way. In ow1 when you werr above 3.9, it basically kept your mmr, so if you were 4.5, then you will be put in 4.5 lobbies even with a 3.9 acc. However, in ow2 for some reason after s9 when you are gm4+ and get tank reset, the first few games are actual diamond games, with half or more being actual diamond players, and you can even minmax it by duoing with let's say a plat3 player after your first win of placements on a gm4 acc putting you in d3. This just makes a lot of the placement matches feel like smurfing, and some of them are just complete random like you will get 3 gm3+ players in a master 3 lobby 5 games into ur placement against u with actual master players on ur team. Imo if ur gonna do rank resets, then go all the way and do an mmr reset, but for some reason that hasnt happened ever, at least not from what i remember, my 44 acc from ow1 was still gm mmr when i came back season 10 of ow2
i used to main support but i swapped to dps after s9. i play mostly tracer but swap to mei, hanzo, and genji. what i like about "flex dps" heroes is that i feel like i'm rewarded more for making the right decisions than i am for aiming well like on hitscan.
I always mained supp in ow 1 but ow 2 got me into tankfist. I had lots of fun, with the goal of achieveing lvl 50 on Doom. Now I find it quite difficult to have fun with him since every time I encoutner a full team of counters and it just becomes not that fun, so I went back to supp for the most part. I'm really looking forward to overwatch misery Doomfist version, so I can get more insight into that
@@btxo23 i knoww that feeling. I one trick doom and its just become so exhausting seeing everyone counter swap after one good fight, even in QP. Thinking of playing dps or supp now
DPS. It's simple and straightforward. Its really easy to tell when you're doing good/bad usually. And most of the ways of winning are fun because they involve direct value. And it's calming to focus on doing a few things really well compared to how many variables tank and support deal with.
After rank reset i dropped from high diamond/masters to plat 4-5. I genuinley dont get it. I feel like play better than i did before too because i know the maps and new heroes more. If the skill differential on console is that massive now i have to think that you have to cheat to get to gm.
i was silver almost reaching gold on support and DPS then i got a loosing streak and now im silver 4 sup and BRONZE 1 either im really bad(witch is a valid option) or im actually cursed and i do t get good teammates
After S9, blizzard has tried bringing people closer to the center of the bell curve generally as well. Lots of people in higher ranks have moved down one whole rank, like masters to diamond, and people in bronze on average are more likely to be silver after the change. I actually like this cause it makes the ranks feel more substantial, even if every top 10 player will call you trash for being GM2.
Yes ranks feel more substantial but why stop there right? Just move all current Masters players into Dia. After that lets just make everyone plat. Anyone above would feel pretty crazy yeah? GM and Masters was already an INSANELY small portion of the community. They were substantial enough as it was, and champ was to come out and become the home to all the GM1's with nowhere left to go. Instead we have two entire top tier ranks in GM and Champ that feel completely pointless because no one occupies them. In Asia GM doesnt even start until top 80-180 depending on role. These ranks are useless, the increased substantial feeling is pointless, and players have zero interest in being systematically thrown down and held down an entire rank from what they have maintained for YEARS. S12 ranked changes is why I stop caring. There is no point. Top 500 in every role in every region starts in masters.
@@Vaestus They overcompensated but the changes were necessary, as there were plenty of GM1 players that capped out on rank, but not on their MMR. There was no way of knowing if you are "barely GM1" or top1 player. New rank made it possible to show how high you are even for the best players on the ladder which is good.
@Harevald No man, trust me I'm happy champ exists, but the ranked squish is classic Blizzard screw up no one asked for. The ranked squish of S9 is BRAINDEAD, there is no argument, having so much of your top tier ladder being useless garbage is bad. What was once a healthy distribution is now ruined. Where do you think old masters players went? The old dias? Skill levels within the same rank are too different, it's damaging.
Orisa v Rein is a neutral trade? That's wild. All 3 of her abilities counter him. And rein can't do anything vs her ult. And not to mention a bully orisa just shooting in reins face.
Struggling against an orisa as rein just shows you that you aren't made to play this role... Bait her abilities,hold corners like your life depends on it and when you can rotate to a position that gives you free rein over her backline. With just these tips you can pretty much win against any comp, trust me I feed on orisas, maugas and roadhog as rein!
@@KURENANI yeah nah be honest, you legit cant counter a hog as rein, unless you are just way better than the hog and have an ana to anti him. Beating orisas as rein is definitely possible same for dva in some maps, mauga as well depending on the map (not always), but hog? If any dps plays a tank buster you have 0 chance almost of winning fights against a hog. Good luck beating a hog as rein with a reaper/pharah/mei
@xeron2780 Of course, I can't win against pharah or any other flying hero, but I can definitely win against a roadhog. It is simply about being flexible and not playing into roadhogs strength. Here is a simple tip, Force them to fight at a disadvantage. This game is about objective. Just don't let them through !
@@KURENANI you are trying to make a point but this doesnt work in 5v5. Rein has 1600 shield health. One single close range hog shot does 200-250 damage. Now add another dps shooting at it with another 100 dps. The shield will break in a matter of seconds, and your advice of using corners and hiding simply doesnt work in most maps against a hog in 5v5. He will push you and pressure you or your teammates and even try to hook someone. So my team will start getting picked off because I am not creating or contesting space and not fighting or taking any pressure. Its just not possible in 5v5 unless you have a good ana and you yourself outplay the hog a lot. Its way harder to lose to a rein as hog than any other character exactly because of the fact you can push and self heal and dish out massive damage in short time up close. Your point is invalid without anas. No point to keep arguing about it
@@KURENANI are you talking 1v1 rein vs orisa? Of course not. So you must be talking team vs team. A Rein success against Orisa depends heavily on Rein's teammates. There is no window of opportunity for Rein in terms of Orisa cooldowns.
For the anxiety play with friends and stop taking yourself so seriously. You dont need a coach just people that you habe fun playing that understand the characters you like to play.
If the matchmaker is fine then how come when I play solo on a Smurf I can't even hit gm4 but on my main when I played with a duo/trio I almost hit champ? No not boosed, I have the exact same stats exact same mindset same heroes same everything. I'm always objectively judging my gameplay and aware, for example of I don't swap at the right time or if I do happen to make a mistake, or my hero pool isn't great for the map/comps or not using an ult at the right time etc, I accept my mistakes and get better when I can. But honestly I have games where I genuinely have the best possible performance available to the situation and I still lose, I get perfectly timed picks on widow, perfectly timed sticks on someone with an ult after forcing Suzu/lamp, and more plays like this. I'm not perfect, I make mistakes even the best players do. I obviously am a little biased and accept that every game is carryable and I might be a bit inconsistent, but even the games where I do everything perfectly feel impossible. There is seriously something wrong in matchmaking. Like stacks, depreoatization, max rangers and smurfs. Whatever the cause is, games just feel impossible to win sometimes (Console for context)
ok, so next episode definitely going to slow down the read narration- for audio listeners, apologies!
How u comment 4 weeks ago before ur own video😭
@@juicymuscprod9624 It was probably alr made and was just made public today
@@Jidom_101 ohh tru
at least for me, it was aight
I dont think u need to slow it down!
rank resets are disproportionately worse for lower ranked players, when everyone gets moved towards the middle the below average players need to lose a lot to get back to their mmr. High rank players need to win like 60-70% to get back to their rank and a ton of lobbies get stomped for a while.
mhm, this is genuinely awful. some time in season 2 or season 3, i queued into a masters game on DPS. i would later fall all the way to bronze 1. today i'm silver 1, still nowhere near masters and it would still be an absurdly unfair match today.
I feel like one of the biggest problems with ranked resets is that they usually decay everyones rank down by a few tiers. This means that you get placed in the rank below whatever you were at before, which on paper is fine you'll just climb out of it in a few games. The problem is that everyone else who was at your old rank has now also been deranked. This means in order to get back to your old rank, you actually have to be as good as people who were a full rank above you before the rank reset. It's super demoralizing being a pretty long time masters player who couldnt break out of diamond last season. almost every player in my games was also a former masters player, i would essentially have had to be gm pre ranked reset to get back to my rank.
I think part of the idea was that the rank curve was too flat, (I.e., too many players in both GM and bronze) so the rank reset made the distribution curve a bit steeper. This was intentional, they wanted masters and GM to be ranks that were harder to get and stay in. There’s a reason that there’s only like 50 champ ranked players in the entire world. So you being diamond isn’t any indicator of your skill level being worse, they just changed the skill requirement to be a masters player to be higher than it was previously
You gaslight me
i don't know what you're talking about, you sure you're not gaslighting yourself? i think that's it.
You gaslight me
@@CoachSpilo This is spooky territory Spilo...
@@CoachSpilo music super loud
I think this was supposed to be a joke because it's a universal joke right now to call everything gaslighting if you're trying to express an idea or make a point in any form.
Another thing about the ranked resets making you think you are worse I have noticed, is that people sometimes don't recognise that everyone has just been placed in a lower rank, so maybe gold games will feel like plat games, cause everyone in the lobby are former plats. Seen a lot of people hit this wall right on the day of the reset and then beat themselves up and hit that nasty cycle Spylo described where they start playing worse cuz they think they need to change things up.
15:21 "Instead of blaming yourself when you lose, just flame the tank like everyone else" 🔥✍
This is the way
BIG HUGE GINORMOUS W take on rank resets. It makes the experience so much more miserable for everybody involved. The good news is that the second one seemed to shake things less than the first, but honestly I'd rather not have them entirely.
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I also suffered from ranked anxiety. I would be severely shaking in ALL my POTGs and even the enemy would be like “Holy crap”.
What i did to overcome this is-
Played more often on a specific hero to gain more confidence in taking a 1v1.
Typically these moments happen when an enemy is capturing a checkpoint, the enemy is putting a lot of pressure on me, or when they are about to win the match. What you need to learn is anything is possible in OW, but there is not much you can do except what you know how to do. So don’t stress yourself out trying to make an outcome happen that is one in a million. Take 1v1s, shoot at the right target, do what you know how to do to win a game. After that, it’s up to you to learn how and where you can be better. The better you are, the more confidence you have. The more confidence you have, the better you can become.
TLDR: Just do your best and know that for every outcome positive or negative, you’ll know how to do it better next time.
Dude I was making breakthroughs on my mental, my gameplay and hitting my peak rank I’d wanted for years in S8, then they hit the reset button and I’ve never recovered. It’s not even about getting back to the rank now, all the progress I built crumbled because of the reasons you listed and it took nearly a year to realise. Feel like I took 30 steps backwards.
Intro was low key heat
Spilo, there's even more going on with the rank resets. Since this was a "limited" rank reset, all the Devs did was drop everyone about one skill tier. So, people found themselves lower, but facing their peers and trading ELO back and forth, like before, but now at a lower rank, which is further messing with their mental game.
Yeah I duod with my friend and we both returned to our original ranks (diamond 5 and plat 4) even though we played all the placement games together
With regards to the first point. It's important to keep in mind that Overwatch can be a very mentally draining game, there's a lot going on, you have to do a lot of things to pull your weight, games can be very gruelling in bad situations, etc. While you'll definitely play better in the morning be wary of making your shift way way worse by burning yourself on some bad comp games before your shift. Do not be afraid to just go back to quick play if it's not going well.
I didnt expect to like this type of series but the way spilo talks about everything always makes me learn a lot and i ended up enjoying it a ton!
Each rank reset I lost one whole tier and it took some time to get back where I was
Matchmaking is hella weird. I used to trust it, but I've started to doubt its fairness.
I see that argument about the rank resets, especially about how much importance is put on placements. I took a month long break from overwatch, came back, and am back in masters for the first time in a while, despite feeling like I've been playing worse on a personal level. But I got a bit lucky with the matches, so here I am
I love these reddit reacts/answering questions! looking forward to the next one.
"Hot take: Not every loss is Blizzard’s fault or some 'forced 50/50' nonsense. If you're better than your rank, you'll climb-simple as that. Matchmaking isn't perfect, but it’s not the Illuminati deciding your games. Focus on improving instead of crying conspiracy theories."
Mankind knew that they cannot change the matchmaker. So, instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed Blizzard.
@@keiyosxVICTORY OR DEFEAT
nah this is just objectively true. it's not "forced" 50/50 it's just people being at their correct rank will win on average half of the time. it's a natural 50/50
Yes. But the matchmaking still makes the experience of climbing as insuferable as possible.
No it doesn't. You do. @@KLwalktroughs
Regarding comp anxiety: I think that this is primarily a problem of focus. Whether you have an inferiority complex or not is irrelevant to the fact that your emotions and thoughts of how others perceive you is irrelevant to the game itself. Simply orienting your focus on the game and your decision-making within the game will improve comp anxiety. Obviously, focus is something that has to be honed and developed for most people, but if you "focus on focusing" your anxiety will improve, and so will your decision-making in the game. This is what has worked for me.
Good advice, I'll try this
Ranked resets are a nightmare bc they keep me from playing.
I don't want to play with fkn plats man, they're toxic and have no idea what's going on. The experience of taking constant psychic damage playing with delusional throwers isn't worth grinding back up to masters+ where I can play the game without my blood pressure rising bc I'm able to comfortably expect a baseline level of competency from my team
So I've just not been playing ranked at all, what's the point? Your QP MMR is the exact same and people sweat QP like crazy so why not just play QP and get an objectively better competitive experience??
Crazy idea but maybe I've been playing the game over masters for 5+ years: it *might* be bc I belong there and resetting me back into plat/diamond constantly is genuinely pointless and a huge waste of my time
Rank resets are garbage. They shove everyone towards the middle, which makes bad matches for a long time, and I've seen higher smurf activity after them as well. Counterswapping is real. The biggest issue is when the whole team countrswaps, or your team doesn't understand how to play around it. E.g. the enmy goes Zarya, so you cannot protect your teammates from her beam, so they need to respect her space. I can play around Zarya just fine. But if my teammates just charge her bubble and walk into her beam, there's not much I can do.
a healthier alternative to counter swapping is to simply swap to your second best pick
Hot take that shouldn't be a hot take: The rank system before this one was better.
I relate greatly to the girl with anxiety. Mine is intrusively bad and I continue to have a very personal fight to manage it. I actively use therapy to help deal with it and improve my lifestyle. For me, when I queue comp it’s like a weight is placed straight into my stomach. I get incredibly tense and irritable. It makes it easier to get emotional about games, ranging from teammate frustration to self-hatred. In general, it’s just not advisable in my opinion to queue until you are able to learn coping mechanisms. But once you have, you really do need to PRACTICE them by queuing. And the advice you gave her, in my opinion, is spot on. Have chats disabled. Having the ability to manually tune out pointlessly unreliable judgment is incredibly useful. Take it slow. Get used to making mistakes and seeing them as positives to learn from. Acknowledge what you did well. I gather that she doesn’t need to train herself to deal with outward anger, so just reassuring yourself that you are playing mindfully is definitely the way to go. Decatastrophize. If there’s anxiety from the rank going up and down, losses and errors, practice building a process to relax yourself. It’s not a life or death scenario. Build acceptance over the rank bar going up and down not changing anything. It does not gauge how good you are or can become. Most importantly for me is to know your limits. If you feel like you are too stressed to keep playing and can’t calm down, hop off and relax. Repetition: good. Overstimulation: Very very unhealthy. If you can only play one game in a day before you can’t focus anymore and your thoughts are just clouded with negativity, completely fine. Pace yourself to your own needs. Afterwards, meditate. Process what you did well in the games. I find a need to also consider what I need to improve but once you start getting unreasonably self critical, it’s not really going to be the time to think about that part. Rinse and repeat this process, and gradually get used to the experience. The anxiety is unlikely to ever go away, but hopefully it will become more manageable over time.
Thanks, this is good advice. Something I struggle with A LOT as well.
I used to have a lot of comp anxiety and even after 100s of hours playing comp I still wasn't able to come across that anxiety. Then I genuinely just forced my friend to shout in my ear for multiple matches to do what I was supposed to do and throughout weeks I ended up struggling less ~
"play videogames in the morning"
Me who works 6 to 8 am shifts every time: 👀 Thats not happening.
Just game while you work. Duh
Just go take a bathroom break, and build yourself a game console/PC into the bathroom walls and play from there!
Grindset, people!
Grindset !
that last point was super interesting actually. i think i might have some gameplay baggage to interrogate on my own main.
The girl doesn’t need to play the game to push through it. The anxiety very likely has little to do with overwatch. She probably doesn’t have any friends, or a life that she’s happy with outside of the game. Her feelings are a sign that she’s not taking care of herself in other ways that she’s ignoring.
Im working 60 hours a week right now, and someone cut me off on the road. I was extremely mad, and wanted to slam my car into theirs, but its because Im not taking good care of myself and feel ignored. I wasn’t really mad at that guy on the road, I need attention and I’m constantly denying it from myself. She needs to go to therapy, and so do I.
ive played so much this season, never played that much. im sitting at over 100h in ranked this season with close to 500 games played.
i saw pretty much everything by now, i dropped from diamond 3 all the way to gold 1, was stuck in plat 2-4 for a few weeks and today i climbed back to diamond 3 close to diamond 2. (pretty much hardstuck diamond player forever). the amount of games that im loosing where im lobby best is insane. most of the time it comes down to support and or tank diff.
Cant blame the tank everytime, when he has no heals to work with etc.
these games are not even that bad, but getting absolutly steam rolled without a chance to do anything feels realy bad. had some of these games and my motivation to reque went instantly to zero (after playing for 3-6h already) and im closing the game.
imo playing in the "early" hours of the day and stopping before 10pm saves you alot of looses and will get you more wins, atleast thats my experience.
late games are just getting worse by the hour.
Sojourn is still fun man, having a blast with her
The main thing I did to overcome ranked anxiety is to just play quickplay because w/l doesn’t matter and develop some skills and experience, then hop into ranked while still treating it like qp. Sure I make stupid plays that probably make me lose a game here and there but I’m still having fun and I’m finally in a proper environment to improve.
100%. I also turned off coms at the start to avoid toxicity. It's when I first started to improve when I turned them back on.
People don't play worse or better after rank reset. Most people tanked a whole rank not because of the psychology of it, but just because everyone got pushed down since Champion rank introduction. Current masters lobbies are like GM lobbies before the reset. It trickles down on all the ladder so if you are Diamond 5 player and before you were around diamond 1-masters 5, then literally nothing changed for you. Your lobbies are the same. The only thing that changed is what skill level we are calling "diamond".
For example current Masters is 1.5% of the playerbase. Before it was like 3? Gms were 1-1.5% and now they are 0.2%. If you were gm3 before and now you sit in masters 4, it's literally the same thing.
What you talk about on rank resets brings me back to my experience with the first rank reset. I feel hard on the first rank reset and it took me multiple seasons to fully get back to my peak, almost half a year. I decided to take that time to kind of relearn junkrat, since the character had changed a fair bit with the s9 changes, he was not the same anymore, so things that would have previously been unthinkable to me or playstyles that previously I wouldn't have even tried were now all on the table, I wasn't afraid to make mistakes and to limittest myself, trying to find out what worked and what did not.
I honestly look back at the months following the rank reset as times of both selfreflection and selfgrowth, I grew more as a player then than I did before s9. I allowed myself to be more creative, instead of playing for the combo which had been pretty much all I used to do.
Part of what I am today comes from that time, and honestly, I think the pain was worth it for me, it was the bucket of cold water I needed to finaly step out of my comfort zone and focus on improving as a player.
Counters don't exist as long as you play significantly better than the person countering you. Not even slightly better
The rank reset has kept me the same for tank and dps at plat but with release of juno at the same time i shot up to diamond and peaked master but have dropped back down to high diamond
The ranked resets just have me not know or care for rank. Was gm before all the resets, now diamond. Been masters, been plat, been all over the place, just depends on the season I guess
I want an entire MMR reset tbh. Rank resets just make it so i dont play for like the first half of a season
I hate rank resets so much. Its just BAD for everyone
I'd like to share my experience with rank resets. Season 9 rank reset was an ABSOLUTE blessing for me, because before that I was crazy demotivated, almost completely gave up on myself, was borderline dropping to bronze. It was clear I had the potential to climb back to gold 3 where I used to be for a long time, I had game knowledge etc, but I was just so apathetic. With the tank reset I climbed from silver 4 to gold 5, and have been traveling in gold ever since (was in gold 3 at least 70% of the time since season 9), even hit plat a season ago.
Normal climbing rate gets so stale and unsatisfying, and it felt very very exciting to have those high-importance high gain high loss games. It had a very refreshing vibe. Leading up to the last reset I was gold 5, cuz I felt very demotivated and frustrated with myself AGAIN for being stuck in gold 3 so much. With the reset, I climbed back to my gold 3 and stayed there. So basically I do this thing a lot when if I start losing rank I really struggle to stop doing it 💀 like I just lose belief in myself and it lasts for sessions and sessions. Over the years I noticed that I am very prone to full on submerging myself into "I will never climb, I'm just not build for video games" mentality, that often persisted even after a win streak that would return me back to where I was. When I lose rank I play way worse, because it gets really hard for me to pay attention and my reaction speed goes down, because I have this apathy, I'm just not excited, I also get bored really easily and just crave to do something dumb. I don't feel rewarded because I feel like I'm SUPPOSED to play well. I often even get upset and tilted over how easy it is for me to outplay my opponents, how I can do dumbest shit and not get punished. However recently the games have been feeling very challenging most of the time, so I'm happy about that. But if there is ever a game that feels like fucking gold 5 all over again, sometimes I do get upset and feel pathetic ngl.
Interestingly enough, I'm also very capable of stepping up, like if I play in plat-diamond lobbies (w a friend) I very much blend in normally because I get excited. But in lobbies that feel like gold 5 I often play straight up like a silver, especially since I get bored easily, I need challenge so I artificially "create" it for myself by doing dumb things.
Overall, I am very grateful we have rank resets, and I think they are good for motivating players. But also it's unbelievably annoying to play with ppl who don't belong in the same rank, and again from the psychology standpoint, it's so triggering it can force players to fall down. So I don't know if such frequent rank resets are a net positive or a net negative thing. I'd like to say tho, the matchmaking felt way better than how it used to be, even really good some sessions
(Note: since the first reset I played solo at least 50% of the time, and 40% of time was with gold-low plat players)
Idk I have a feeling that a lot of ppl get apathetic like me
Genuinely the ranked reset of S9 when champ was intro'd is so terrible. The ways that they changed how ranks are calc'd has ruined all interest for me to play the game. Ive been GM for some 5-6 years, consistently. Even in Overwatch 2 ALL of my comp games (When I play) are Top500 lobbies, but since S9 the game has wanted to throw me into mid dia, and I am just in no way interested in struggling through ranked slop against Top 500 players just to get out of Dia and never reach as high as my old ranks simply because GM is basically top 250 only.
The Asian leaderboard across all roles are SO BAD that I think its either tank or DPS, but GM doesnt start until like top 80. Most of EU is like top 300 I think, and all but DPS in America is also top 300 for GM.
They have ruined how ranks are calc'd and Im not going to put in time an effort to be rewarded with masters after being a consistent high GM player for years. Not. Interested. The "thrill of the climb" is the fakest thing ever, no one plays ranked "for the thrill of the climb" they play it to improve from where they were at, and no one wants to be systematically held a full rank lower than previous games.
Why even add Champion divs 5-1 if youre just going to squish the ranked ladder towards center?
BRO IVE NEVER HIT GM BEFORE AND IM IN M2 ALL THESE PLAYERS WERE LIKE GM1 SEASON8 ITS SO ANNOYING
Champ was basically added to appease top content creators cause GM felt to watered down. Then they made GM like 300 people anyways 😂
tbf… a lot of ppl were boosted to gm in like season 5 or so when the devs manually adjusted ppl’s rank (cuz a lot were complaining the system was holding their rank back). then a lot of gms started saying everyone in ow2 is boosted and thats why their matches r so unbalanced. so guess what? they did a rank reset. to me this is just the classic “overwatch players never being satisfied” problem.
@@TR-ju5rePretty sure champ was introduced because the skill gap between high and low gm was too big
Ranked resets stress me out because the games are a lot more volatile so usually i just wait until i feel like enough time has passed for the waters to settle.
So far, after 2 rank resets i only get boosted in rank both times on every role, and then after all calibration modifiers expired (roughly 10 games after placements) i managed to drop back to where i was before the reset on DPS (most played role) and maintain more or less my "new rank" as support (play small amount of games - stay where i am, play a lot of games - start to slowly dropping in ranks). On DPS i played 100+ games after placements and got back to where i was before.
Mental energy and physical energy are different things (in my opinion).
If I do a full day of manual labour then I've still got plenty of mental energy left for overwatch.
If I do a full day of software dev, my decision-making is cooked, but I still have enough physical energy for a run.
Both increase tiredness though, so I can't fire both barrels all day.
There is a crossover energy (Fatigue points, if you will) between them. Activities In either category will drain this broader sort of energy. Sometimes you will have all of the energy your activity demands in Mental and/or Physical category but you are Fatigued because of prior exertions and can't quite get the energy out.
Felt the bit at 5:45 in my soul. There are some heroes that simply are more effectively countered by another role rather than your own (so a tank counterswap will do less than a support swap against a hog, genji is more effectively countered by a tank or support swap, and ana's best counters are in DPS and tank). Which is fine, objectively, but what isn't fine is that we understand this concept with DPS and Support better than we do in the tank matchups for some ungodly reason.
One trick dooms and hammys are main tanks that need to look at expanding their hero pool. They have a lot of counterplay and not swapping those characters will cause your team to lose sometimes. Most cases there’s things everyone can do though.
counterpoint: doom and ball are the only fun tanks
@@legendarydeadweight6372 counterpoint: you are wrong
@@KURENANI no
@@legendarydeadweight6372 yes
@@legendarydeadweight6372even if that were true, which it's not, bc "fun" is entirely subjective, is it actually fun when the entire enemy team counterswaps you? Like, do you enjoy that feeling? Because it can be avoided by just learning how to play other heroes.
I actually believe that it is harder to like climb back up after de ranking from a bad streak than it is to just normally rank up, especially in the lower ranks.
Well makes sense of you just lost a bunch the game will probably think you were rated to high and you climb slower. But on the other hand winstreaks will have the opposite effect so it should balance out
Yeah because they will match u up with bad players, making the situation worse. All I can say is to find adleast another person to duo with to help with ranking as solo que is kinda ruf
@@ArdaSReal it's more like everything under like Diamond is just a 50/50 chance if your teammates are gonna be useless or useful
@@KingMaler00 Honestly been feeling this way sometimes. I’ll go through games where I’m the only one on my team who can get out of spawn or people will intentionally throw when they get pissed off. I just don’t get it. Not always, but it’s always annoying when it happens.
with the part on ladder anxiety, if you're unable to sort through those sorts of issues by the sort of general advice people give you, maybe reflect on if there are other areas of your life that cause you to have similar feelings. you might need to see a psychologist or something to help get to the root of whatever issue is causing your problems (these sorts of anxieties are something ive been struggling with for the last 12 years now starting with LoL in S2 and im just now working out there might be something bigger going on lol)
am i not wrong in thinking that when they do a rank reset they put you a rank lower so you play more or was that just the once?
GOOD JOB EDITOR
One season they should reverse everyone's ranks haha. All top 500 go bronze and all bronze go top 500. Can you imagine the chaos 😂
Spilo i love this series and you should absolutely continue it. If you dont, where will all my money graciously go to, if not to you when you make these series???!!!!?!?!? 🥺🥺
8:29 how is he shooting the fire strike from top down??
So true with the rank reset.
Ever since I ranked up to diamond I've been dreading the inevitable rank reset. I would hate to go back to plat and have to climb that again. Not because I can't (in theory I should carry those games), but because I'm afraid of exactly what you said. I get an ego, I disrespect the enemy, feed and throw the games. I spent SO long on getting good that it would completely break my motivation to play if I got stuck in plat again tbh.
Tbf tho, the previous 2 rank resets only moved me one tier within the same rank, so maybe I shouldn't worry too much
As for Rank resets as far as motivation goes it depends a lot on the person. I don't think there are going to be many people that go "Oh boy a new season, time to get my rank back!" though. Even if Blizzard has data to conclude that people play more, if people feel generally more negative towards it I think that is a bad thing regardless. I am sure there are people who get demotivated in a different way too. They get to a new shiny rank they have never got before and then abandon competitive to not tarnish it. Then join quickplay games to harass people there about them not playing 'correctly'.
It's misguided tho. Ranked resets are for the delusional people who think they're better than they are and they're just going to end up in the same rank or lower while the rest of us grind back to where we should be and that delusional person *still* thinks the reset didn't work and they deserve higher
I didn't imply that it wasn't.
Last one suffers from the opposite to the average player who flames their team instead of acknowledging their own mistakes and focusing on what they can improve.
What are the odds that the last background music is from ACNH's mystery islands while I'm playing ACNH and am on a mystery island?
After every rank reset I ended up getting back my old near peak rank. But it took hundreds of solo q games. But it shows I earned the rank.
That first take is wild.
I would say, counterwatch isn't a hard shutdown, but what it tends to do consistently, is remove the number of good plays at your disposal just based off of the hero matchup. You can always play around counters, you can always find a way and you'll never be hard shut-down. But where in a normal matchup you may have 5 decent options to pick from at any given moment, if you're "countered", that number of decent options may go down to 1-2 viable choices in most cases. So what counterwatch does, is it removes degrees of agency which just feels bad
The issue with how they did the ranked reset on Overwatch is they OVERDID the extremely harsh compression on the ranked distribution. It's extremely demotivating for players to be in a visual rank lower than they were and really bad when you compress too many players downward. It's a bit telling when you have former T500 players in Masters, former GM players in Diamond, Former masters players in Plat... the downstream consequences of that are not pretty for your average player who was Gold-Plat and now has even more wildly wide range of player skill in their matches. That's ALSO why the match qualities have gone down the drain.
The distribution has never corrected itself after multiple seasons DESPITE the Devs acknowledging its more severe than they wanted it to be.
Ranked resets once in a while are good to clear out Alt + boosted accounts, and can motivate people to play more than they would (some people hit a peak rank and don't want to touch ranked again). But the way they've done it in OW2 is just way too overboard.
Who do you think you are, Nathan!? (good video & nice music, keep up the good work).
6:17 do you (or someone else) have a video or graphic or spreadsheet that can lay out this information in an easily digestable way? Does the hero-map choice depend on rank? I'm a longtime player but other than certain heroes I gravitate towards for certain maps (i.e. Sym on Oasis Gardens) I haven't really studied who I win with on most maps and why, and as KarQ says, the profile info doesn't include map winrate per hero which would be really interesting/helpful data without the need to individually track it.
about the rank resets i was high diamond dps on both my main and alt ( alt was for learning reaper lmao) for many seasons and after reset it placed me gold 1 on my main. I did the same thing where i assumed i’d just control the lobby but then end up basically throwing, for some reason took way too long for me to figure out i should just play like i would in diamond who would’ve thought, now i’m back where i was lol
Season 9 rank reset put me from gm 5 to high top 500 and even though i won some games there, i definitely didnt belong there and went on a big fat losing streak to below my normal rank.
I had the opposite thanks to the resets for tank and dps. Support was 2 divisions off roughly. Tank I've gone from inconsistent low plat to consistent high plat. Dps was silver and skipped to high gold and climed fine to plat despite aim on the heroes I want to learn.
I work 8 hours a day. Up at 5am. Come home and play for hours. I always put in work.
And my for my Rank I'm moving up. But, I have a coach. Learning the fundamentals first. And I am doing well. It's all becoming second nature. Use cover .5 second rule, rotating, know when to kite out. Don't chase. Usually they run you into their team and you will immediately out numbered. You don't have to kill them to remove them from the fight. If you have a player that's HP is critical. They won't be threat.
I feel that rank resets are essential to most games to prevent stagnation, but maybe there is a better way to do it. I have felt the fear of queuing that you mentioned at 10:50. I am inexperienced on ow2, I placed plat 5 which is way higher than I belong and I don't want to play again because I know it will drop lol.
that first reddit post is like "Hey guys, i got all free time in the world dedicated only to games."
DO NOT PLAY COMP RIGHT AFTER YOU GET YOUR 50 WINS I DID THE SAME MISTAKE AND NOW I AM BRONZE IN ALL ROLES INCLUDING OPEN QUEUE PLAY AT LEAST 100 HOURS I HAVE 400 HOURS IN TOTAL AND I AM THE MOST MISERABLE OVERWATCH PLAYER EVER FOR BEING THIS LOW RANKED
I did that. Just be persistent and climb. I got to plat from bronze in 3 months on all roles. It's possible.
Lol what? Energy and mental energy are very different.
I have my own little hot take: Rank inflation isn't real. Or at least there's no reason to believe it exists
One of the big memes among high comp nerds is that like, a giga low bronze player in ow1 is somehow on the same level as high diamond in ow2. Or like, plat and below in ow2 encompass bronze in ow1 or other equally ridiculous things. Basically, an ow1 player is having their rank significantly inflated by ow2. There's no evidence for this other than that players who were ranked low in ow1 are climbing in ow2. Which is to be expected because like, they have more experience than they did.
I think it's just another thing for comp nerds to feel elitist about. Like it's just a conspiracy theory that gains traction in high comp to make them feel even more elitist. But they kind of don't realize that, by their logic, if everything masters and below is bronze, they're silver.
Personally I think ranks kinda deflated. Like if you took a mid diamond player from ow1 and dropped him into ow2, he'd probably place like high gold or mid plat. There's so much more to learn, more heroes to master, more difficult metas, and I'd probably wager that most players are generally better than they were in ow1. Like every returning player is going to be more skilled by virtue of simply having more experience, and every new player is going to be adapting right into the current power structure of the game whereas a returning ow1 player would have to change habits from years of ow1 experience and _then_ learn the new meta
1000%
I have a weird situation in regards to the rank reset. I play on 2 accounts, 1 is my ranked comp account and 1 is my quick play with friends account. Up until recently my QP games were around masters and my ranked was in low GM. The QP account is in gold on ranked cause I haven't played ranked in like 5 years on it, but as of the last reset it seems like the ranked MMR replaced the quickplay MMR. I can easily solo carry on Doom or Sigma in the gold games, but it isn't really that fun to smurf montage clips in gold/plat QP. As a result I've been basically 50% win rate in gold QP while climbing to a new high in GM in ranked at the same time.
A part of me still doesn't even believe that is the issue because I can't believe they would ranked reset the casual game mode, AND do it not based on the existing MMR, or the highest MMR.
The chair in the background looks like its made of cheese
Checking to see if this video is on 1.25 speed real quick.
I'll say that I think rank resets are potentially good for people who mostly play in groups. I've been in groups like this, and there were definitely people who were far over ranked and far under ranked, and the system can't really fix the disparity without a reset. I think it can slightly help.
anecdotal, so it doesn't really mean much. that being said, every time they've done a rank reset so far i've actually won most of my placements, but ended up slightly below where i was.
I’m diamond 5 and I played a game on my wife’s G3 account while drunk. Even at my mid skill level, I know I would never get stuck in gold.
14:14 bro creating demand
I like my first 10 after a reset. Then i dont want to play after due to placing a rank higher than i end before the reset.
I was consistently high silver-low gold on support on my main. I had a second account that I got placed for the first time in Plat but I was actually hanging and carrying some games... That's slightly gaslighting. I dont even think I changed how I play lol
Man I want to play OW right now, but I just don't know if I can. I'm waiting for 6v6 before I definitively return because the thought of OW is better than the action of actually playing it. Everyone I know hasn't played OW since 2 came out essentially, Hazard looks cool but even though I'm a support player I couldn't care less about anything affiliated with Tanks until 6v6 is back.
I've kept up with the updates and all that but haven't played this season, 5v5 just isn't that fun anymore and I couldn't care less about competitive because I'm the only person in my group who even plays it. Marvel Rivals I'm glad you exist because OW needed this push back to their roots, I hope they don't fumble the bag.
*Starts jumping on it*
are you saying playing at 2am makes me powerful like rock lee
WTF is that Reinhardt fire strike animation
It didnt happen to me with a rank reset specifically, but I nearly hit masters on tank during season 5? (the junker queen gigabuff season and currently diamond 5) and when the nerfs came next season I was legitimately both scared and discouraged to play tank at all and thus stopped playing tank for like 6 months until I just took the dive and de ranked (15 straight losses) bc I was so scared of this higher rank that I was at. Being at a rank that you dont deserve to be at doesnt make me more confident so I really dont see the positives of rank resets outside of engagement/player retention purposes which I would be interested to see if thats true
I think rank resets r just dumb because it actually works in quite a weird way. In ow1 when you werr above 3.9, it basically kept your mmr, so if you were 4.5, then you will be put in 4.5 lobbies even with a 3.9 acc. However, in ow2 for some reason after s9 when you are gm4+ and get tank reset, the first few games are actual diamond games, with half or more being actual diamond players, and you can even minmax it by duoing with let's say a plat3 player after your first win of placements on a gm4 acc putting you in d3. This just makes a lot of the placement matches feel like smurfing, and some of them are just complete random like you will get 3 gm3+ players in a master 3 lobby 5 games into ur placement against u with actual master players on ur team. Imo if ur gonna do rank resets, then go all the way and do an mmr reset, but for some reason that hasnt happened ever, at least not from what i remember, my 44 acc from ow1 was still gm mmr when i came back season 10 of ow2
Guys what role do you find the most fun? i genuinely dont have fun on tank anymore
i used to main support but i swapped to dps after s9. i play mostly tracer but swap to mei, hanzo, and genji. what i like about "flex dps" heroes is that i feel like i'm rewarded more for making the right decisions than i am for aiming well like on hitscan.
I always mained supp in ow 1 but ow 2 got me into tankfist. I had lots of fun, with the goal of achieveing lvl 50 on Doom. Now I find it quite difficult to have fun with him since every time I encoutner a full team of counters and it just becomes not that fun, so I went back to supp for the most part.
I'm really looking forward to overwatch misery Doomfist version, so I can get more insight into that
@ appreciate the answer, yeah i agree those dps feel more engaging than something like cassidy to me
@@btxo23 i knoww that feeling. I one trick doom and its just become so exhausting seeing everyone counter swap after one good fight, even in QP. Thinking of playing dps or supp now
DPS. It's simple and straightforward. Its really easy to tell when you're doing good/bad usually. And most of the ways of winning are fun because they involve direct value. And it's calming to focus on doing a few things really well compared to how many variables tank and support deal with.
I hate rank resets. I refuse to grind back up to where i was. Comp is just ugh to me now. Much rather play QP in the past couple seasons
You’re gaslighting us.
love this format
i could have watched an hour of this. great insights!
After rank reset i dropped from high diamond/masters to plat 4-5. I genuinley dont get it. I feel like play better than i did before too because i know the maps and new heroes more. If the skill differential on console is that massive now i have to think that you have to cheat to get to gm.
i was silver almost reaching gold on support and DPS then i got a loosing streak and now im silver 4 sup and BRONZE 1 either im really bad(witch is a valid option) or im actually cursed and i do t get good teammates
Atlest I'm not a Hog.
What's your favourite color??
After S9, blizzard has tried bringing people closer to the center of the bell curve generally as well. Lots of people in higher ranks have moved down one whole rank, like masters to diamond, and people in bronze on average are more likely to be silver after the change. I actually like this cause it makes the ranks feel more substantial, even if every top 10 player will call you trash for being GM2.
Yes ranks feel more substantial but why stop there right? Just move all current Masters players into Dia. After that lets just make everyone plat. Anyone above would feel pretty crazy yeah?
GM and Masters was already an INSANELY small portion of the community. They were substantial enough as it was, and champ was to come out and become the home to all the GM1's with nowhere left to go. Instead we have two entire top tier ranks in GM and Champ that feel completely pointless because no one occupies them. In Asia GM doesnt even start until top 80-180 depending on role.
These ranks are useless, the increased substantial feeling is pointless, and players have zero interest in being systematically thrown down and held down an entire rank from what they have maintained for YEARS.
S12 ranked changes is why I stop caring. There is no point. Top 500 in every role in every region starts in masters.
@@Vaestus They overcompensated but the changes were necessary, as there were plenty of GM1 players that capped out on rank, but not on their MMR. There was no way of knowing if you are "barely GM1" or top1 player. New rank made it possible to show how high you are even for the best players on the ladder which is good.
@Harevald No man, trust me I'm happy champ exists, but the ranked squish is classic Blizzard screw up no one asked for. The ranked squish of S9 is BRAINDEAD, there is no argument, having so much of your top tier ladder being useless garbage is bad.
What was once a healthy distribution is now ruined. Where do you think old masters players went? The old dias? Skill levels within the same rank are too different, it's damaging.
I also hate rank resets it makes the game awful for the month or two following it.
Orisa v Rein is a neutral trade? That's wild. All 3 of her abilities counter him. And rein can't do anything vs her ult. And not to mention a bully orisa just shooting in reins face.
Struggling against an orisa as rein just shows you that you aren't made to play this role...
Bait her abilities,hold corners like your life depends on it and when you can rotate to a position that gives you free rein over her backline. With just these tips you can pretty much win against any comp, trust me I feed on orisas, maugas and roadhog as rein!
@@KURENANI yeah nah be honest, you legit cant counter a hog as rein, unless you are just way better than the hog and have an ana to anti him. Beating orisas as rein is definitely possible same for dva in some maps, mauga as well depending on the map (not always), but hog? If any dps plays a tank buster you have 0 chance almost of winning fights against a hog. Good luck beating a hog as rein with a reaper/pharah/mei
@xeron2780 Of course, I can't win against pharah or any other flying hero, but I can definitely win against a roadhog.
It is simply about being flexible and not playing into roadhogs strength.
Here is a simple tip, Force them to fight at a disadvantage. This game is about objective. Just don't let them through !
@@KURENANI you are trying to make a point but this doesnt work in 5v5. Rein has 1600 shield health. One single close range hog shot does 200-250 damage. Now add another dps shooting at it with another 100 dps. The shield will break in a matter of seconds, and your advice of using corners and hiding simply doesnt work in most maps against a hog in 5v5. He will push you and pressure you or your teammates and even try to hook someone. So my team will start getting picked off because I am not creating or contesting space and not fighting or taking any pressure. Its just not possible in 5v5 unless you have a good ana and you yourself outplay the hog a lot. Its way harder to lose to a rein as hog than any other character exactly because of the fact you can push and self heal and dish out massive damage in short time up close. Your point is invalid without anas. No point to keep arguing about it
@@KURENANI are you talking 1v1 rein vs orisa? Of course not. So you must be talking team vs team. A Rein success against Orisa depends heavily on Rein's teammates.
There is no window of opportunity for Rein in terms of Orisa cooldowns.
For the anxiety play with friends and stop taking yourself so seriously. You dont need a coach just people that you habe fun playing that understand the characters you like to play.
That works until you want to solo queue for whatever reason
My friends who play ranked are plat and I'm silver every time we play together we get smoked.
I think I prefer ruining games of random people instead😂
Music bit too loud scarecrow!
Spilo, a while ago you said that comms were overated. I don't remember where but would you still say you agree with that?
If the matchmaker is fine then how come when I play solo on a Smurf I can't even hit gm4 but on my main when I played with a duo/trio I almost hit champ?
No not boosed, I have the exact same stats exact same mindset same heroes same everything. I'm always objectively judging my gameplay and aware, for example of I don't swap at the right time or if I do happen to make a mistake, or my hero pool isn't great for the map/comps or not using an ult at the right time etc, I accept my mistakes and get better when I can. But honestly I have games where I genuinely have the best possible performance available to the situation and I still lose, I get perfectly timed picks on widow, perfectly timed sticks on someone with an ult after forcing Suzu/lamp, and more plays like this. I'm not perfect, I make mistakes even the best players do.
I obviously am a little biased and accept that every game is carryable and I might be a bit inconsistent, but even the games where I do everything perfectly feel impossible.
There is seriously something wrong in matchmaking. Like stacks, depreoatization, max rangers and smurfs.
Whatever the cause is, games just feel impossible to win sometimes
(Console for context)