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- After replaying The War Within, I got to thinking... Are there dark tenno somewhere in the system? Given everything we know, I can't possibly subscribe to the idea that none of the tenno have, let's say, chosen their own path or worse, someone chose it for them.
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Morality won't get me my next Orokin Reactor.
Well that is a good point you make, lol...
No, prime junk will
This needs more likes
True true
@@TheDsIEGE what frame\ skin is that in the first 30 seconds?
scammers, scalpers and low ballers in trade chat are dark tenno.
This comment right here speaks the truth...
Region chat births them
YES!
Honestly I think Stalker doesn't even know who he's fighting for anymore
Cant argue with that logic
he'll fight for the Jordans golem, I think he just comes up with excuses to fight you, it was so much fun the first time
His primary goal was to kill the Tenno to the core, in other words, not only the Warframe but also what controls it. However, when face to face with its goal he hesitates, thinking that by doing so, he'll be just like them, and also found out that he is not that carapace he uses, but the same as its target (also a Tenno, his memory got a little bit scrambled throughout the time). Now I'm not sure what he'll look after, but one thing is certain, we'll either take him down for good, or he'll somehow ally with us (or we will ally with him, who knows).
DsiEGE to support ur claim about dark tenno what if the man un the wall with all these powers to shape shift into other people or things is maybe a dark tenno himself or maybe the stalker is a dark tenno because maybe there is a transferiance as in the second dream quest he was sent to kill the warframe and maybe natah's father was not talking or working with the stalkers warframe but the person who is controlling staker
@@Capelao_Espacial lol imagine stalker coming to help us in a quest, that will be sick !
Uh yeah, I've thought about "who I'm fighting for" a lot, actually, so let's go down the list real quick:
Grineer: Bad. Their war machine turns whole celestial bodies into husks or toxic wastelands, and they will continue to dominate the system until "all are Grineer." For example, they already did this to Mars, making a young Baro Ki'Teer into a refugee.
Corpus: Bad, always have been. Parvos' and the Board's wealth was literally built on the back of the Origin System's largest pyramid scheme and is held aloft by worker exploitation, debt-slavery, and their Theology of Desire (which is just as bunk as Prosperity Gospel, just more sci-fi).
Infested: Bad. They're essentially the Flood. It get's a little muddy once you realize that our Warframes are basically made of the the stuff, but that just makes us the most qualified to unalive them.
Corrupted: Mostly automated security, Ideologically Neu--- Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys...
Orokin: A Solar-system-encompassing empire whose ruling caste stole children from their families so they could inhabit shiny new bodies whenever they fancied? One that upheld a brutal caste system that crushed those at the bottom? One that casually created, destroyed, and significantly altered sentient life? One that plundered their domain for all it was worth, and had eyes on colonization? Definitely Bad.
Sentients: Good*. They correctly identified that the Orokin would lead Tau to ruin, and are completely justified in trying to stop that by destroying Orokin society. However, we're led to believe that they were/are out to destroy absolutely everything (which is a tired trope, to be sure), but Hunhow explicitly wants US dead, so conflict is unavoidable. Makes sense that they would want the Grineer and Corpus gone, though. The former would likely try to finish what the Orokin started in Tau once they were done with the Origin System and the latter keeps going on and on about being the Orokin's "Inheritors" or whatever... and would also "seek new business opportunities" in Tau.
Ballas/Erra: A lot of room for interpretation on this one, but they are definitely manipulating Natah into doing their bidding, so not a great impression so far. (Justice for Natah)
Stalker/Acolytes: Not Tenno, but Soldiers of a dead empire (that we killed, btw) driven by their Zealotry to Warframify themselves.
Ostrons: Helping indigenous people fend off an invading force? Good.
Solaris United: Helping teamsters stick it to their corporate overlords and help keep people from getting brain-shelved? GOOD.
Ventkids: Logical.
Quills: We know three things about the Quills: They know the Secret of the Tenno (and help us), are mysterious, and can ...see causality??? I'm with LD, dunno if I can trust 'em.
Vox Solaris: More SU, 'cept now we're taking down Metal Gear Corpus! (also
Great post! My own take on lore is sketchy, I sort of appreciate the Grineer's historic situation in relation to the Orokin and the emergent Steel Meridian defectors down the line, but I guess I'm happy to still blow their non-defected skulls to pieces (sometimes fail) when they shoot at me. Only a few hundred thousand of them according to stats. During Glassmaker, I did enjoy the fact they sort of pushed the idea some Grineer keep Floofs and things because their minds are a bit confused about their _special purpose_ perhaps. Bred canon fodder with the minds of angry children (they only live a few years right?)
"Well... I just want to kill shit."
RandomTenno69.
So this is late by a lot. But while the red veil are edgy as hell they are in support of the steel meridian acting as their blade while the meridian act as the shield.
You are right about new loka tho econazis they are
"we're the best ones to do it." except players which are starting the game
Nice
I hope this is true. I always wanted to fight something that was more on our level. Not just a random new boss or a rampaging warframe, but someone who is as active in the universe as we are, and just as capable as we are. I hope DE explores this possibility more.
It would be cool to start facing off against other tenno with their own warframes... We could use the challenge, and the content, lol...
The closest thing to an even in this system is the spectralyst. But even those are weak because when the amalgam who created the spentralyst is killed, the spectralyst dies
I think they were entertaining a stalker mode. I remember there being talk about it, but they probably put it on the backburner
You mean PVP? ahahah
Kuva lich
During the Halloween event last year there's a story told by Mother about Orokin using Kuva to "wear" people as "costumes", and moreover having manipulated the bodies of the people they intended to wear into grotesque forms specifically to be something different to "wear" - implying that no, they do not keep their old forms and yes, they do take on new appearances. And since they were tricked into using the wrong Kuva, the transition into the new bodies was permanent, meaning that continuity was performed by accident.
As for whether we're good or not... _change of plans Tenno, leave nothing alive._
Me when being a Tenno: "I am not the Villain in this story. I do what I do because there is no choice. maybe our paths will cross in the future, but for now, this is goodbye."
It's good that you have taken a moral stand. But... Is it really true there is no choice?
There is no choice but to slaughter everything that moves...we are already a dark tenno
@@TheDsIEGE Yes. Memeframe is the true endgame
@@boki742 Good. I was making a meme btw I don't take lore seriously unless it's about the New War
@@honestmistake8167 Ok samuel hayden
*"Nope, don't care let the bodies hit the floor"*
Yes I believe that sentiment is actually pretty common among us tenno, lol...
Ha
Death company runs the tenno
Something, something, deathnote. Pretty sure we'd kill anything if we could.
There's so much potential in the Warframre universe. I hope that it gets to be realised someday.
It could- but I suspect a lot of the people at this company who’ve been working on this game are burned 🔥 out now
@@daydreamdirty And they still getting paid from players that want the game to evolve.
Sounds kinda unfair for the players.
Behold, I am from the future and Warframes story is batshit now. It's fantastic
@@hannahshark8080 Yeah, I really don't care about Warframe now. Because I'm also from the FuTuRrRrRe now =D
So Vor was right when he talked about anus(Janus) key, we are lost dont know what should we do we cant decide for ourselves, and thats why factions are unfortunately using us, but i think some factions are true to us like orokin from deimos who are thankful to us for saving their family and i think its how the orokin normally look with longer arm and blue skin, the queens have symetrical arms and grey skin which imo means they kuvad themselfes on some grineer and teshin probably makes conclave and steel path for tenno to teach them to survive the upcoming breakpoint which you talk about
I think that given the immortality of the Cephalons and Warframes, the Orokin had other methods of perpetual life extension but purposefully chose the cruelest method to do so. Even the modern day higher ranking Corpus live centuries if not millennia, and it would not surprise me if the Orokin had a perfected version of that life extension in a form other than continuity.
Another thing to note is that from the Lavos Leverian and Nihil the Orokin really weren't big on social mobility, so it wouldn't quite make sense for Teshin to have participated in Continuity as that was something exclusively used by the highest catses of the empire.
Is also implied in Ordin Karis' story that Continuity can be preformed posthumously to resurrect the dead, so perhaps they had a more normal means of immortality but the most elite of them could even survive being killed. Given that most Orokin are now permanently dead, I'd say the procedure has some limitations; likely it needs to be performed relatively quickly, and it's also possible something like destruction of the brain may render it permanent, but we don't know.
8:50 most likely the Orvius he is using to hold down our warframe and engaging in a Neuralink without the queens noticing it. I mean if he used transferenc wouldnt the queens notice? Before awakening our powers we need a somatic link for transference and without one would make us "merge" with our transference target. The Orvius is most likely a weapon made after the old war durring the Tenno insurrection to kill/capture Warframes easier
I have played with some evil tenno so yeah, they are real
I fight for the floofs...my goals are beyond your comprehension.
Seriously tho, great video and a good head scratcher.
it's actually quite sad that a youtube content creator seems to care way more about Warframe's lore than all of DE's staff combined
Remember that time Warframe fans made them cry like.... Literally cry on a video why would they give anything back to people that caused them so much stress? even if they're not trying to I think subconsciously they checked out a long time ago.
@@kharijordan6426 When was this?
@@ayee7503 I think 🤔 a year ago.
They talk about how ppl harassed them about the state of the game and how it affects them emotionally.
It happened.
It happened or maybe I'm crazy and dreamed the whole thing.
@@kharijordan6426 send the vid please
Literally what I’ve been thinking, are there other evil tenno aside from the stalker and his acolytes! I must knowwww
One would assume there has to be, and yet we've never seen any. Yet.
Acolytes look like some warframes
If i'm not mistaken , the Stalker is a tenno trying to make pay the other tenno for killing the emperors and putting a therm to the orokin civilisation .
This would be odd if there was only ONE tenno in the system thinking that way . So we can assume there are other tenno that joined his side . Since all the chaos in the system is due to this ;)
We will never know cause de can't finish the Canon
Or are the stalker and his acolytes simply old warframes that have gone mad without tenno
Rell: am i a joke to you
Ah... the progenitor. Was he the first dark tenno, just misunderstood, or maybe not a tenno at all? Hmmm...
One thing that I’ve always thought of is this: instead of dark Tenno were there ever Tenno that stayed loyal to the orokin instead of fighting against them
unless sthe stalker was one i doubt it, though i would kinda like that idea
I always found it weird that there isnt really a stated end goal, culture or set rules that the Tenno follow.
Heck we don't really know the about the Tenno Council operate, since every Tenno is a walking Geneva Convention and are there any form of punishment for traitors.
We know nothing... In truth, teshin knows more than anyone else, which may lead to terrible things down the line.
I mean we know there is 5 tenno schools/houses but beyond the basic flavor text we get nothing. Hopefully the new wars conclusion maybe brings the current relay factions together into an alliance against the sentient/whatever is puppeteering them faction and we get the reformation of the tenno schools proper as a new faction system perhaps?
*shruggs*
To add to that, yes, I think some form of tenno civil war is inevitably going to have to come. It's the only logical conclusion. The question is what will lead to it?
@@Megalomaniakaal the questions I'll ask is "what factions will there be in such a war? What alliances? What MacGuffin items other than the origin system would be fought over? How far would each side go to ensure victory?
@@ironbatman9689 "hat MacGuffin items other than the origin system would be fought over?"
Best thing I can think of is the void(and the powers it offers) itself...
Nice analogie, I had that reflection once. We are born to kill and serve many masters. For the good or the wrong reason. Guess it falls on all to justify the reason we embrace doing it. My fashion frame as always reflected the dark side, yet under those colors, armors I always did it for the good of the game. Did I enjoyed killing? Of course, since we are here to execute orders with no remorse. Great video bud, hope all is good for ya, best wishes to you. Peace.
The major issue I see is that the tenno never question anything from anyone. For years I assumed the tenno were good, innocent children but looking back at our entire body of work... I'm not sure that description actually applies anymore...
I mean........ok but I kinda want to know how the character I'm playing feels about it and for it to effect the story moving forward.
It reminds me of that meme. "Hans, are we the baddies?"
That Mitchell and Webb Look, innit.
@@eustacequinlank7418 yes
I'm with the fraction which offers more credits and plat for my rivens!
"And so you became Tenno: Serving the Orokin, but bound by honor."
Our allegiance is to "The Lotus". Our service is to the Orokin and its descendants, in this case all of humanity. But our oath is for each and every Tenno alone.
The Corpus and the Grineer are descendants of the Golden Lords. We serve them equally.
So are the colonies we encounter: the Myconians, the Ostrons, the Solarians. As long as they're human and as long as they are not acting against us, they are spared the gun and blade, and our hands become their will.
The only entity we classify as "enemy" are the Sentients. Every means to gain the power to defeat the enemy are fair game, and nothing is too sacred to become our means. Look at some of us, now even preferring the Necramechs over even Umbra.
You see it now? I hope so. There's no such thing as Light or Dark Tenno. All are Grey.
And the correct question would be: "What is the Tenno Code of Honor, and do we still abide by it?"
It wouldn't even take much trickery to get a tenno to fight your you. Just say you're gonna give them a prime part or smth
That's really all it takes. Some credits even... We're kinda cheap mercenaries in the grand scheme.
Frames are a ton of platinum to the corpus, imagine if they just asked to take our mag, instant deal
This is really interesting, but I think it missed one important point. The Tenno are meant to have a code of honor, though it's never really explained what it is or how it was developed. The closest thing we get to that is somewhat promising but ultimately leaves a lot of questions. The Second Dream provides the biggest hints during the "School Test" at the end where we answer questions for the Lotus: "The Orokin murdered Margulis - used her work to create 'Transference'. Your mind - projected into a surrogate, strong enough to withstand your power. It felt like waking up, but it was just a lucid - second dream" Each of the possible answers offers some insight into the motivations of the Tenno at least in canon, and accepting some amount of Ludo-narrative dissonance.
"...we protected the innocent." "It was a shadow underneath what we did. That sensation of being a victim, of being helpless. I took up the sword to protect those in need."
"...we sought justice." "Maybe we felt it? Maybe it didn't matter. We had a life! We embraced it. I wanted to punish those who abused their power and now I had a way."
"... we reached for knowledge." "We sensed that otherness, but we embraced it. I was free as anything! Free to learn, to experience, to mean something."
"... we fought with honor." "We must have known. I remembered what it was like to be afraid, to be weak. I vowed never to forget that, never to abuse what I had been given. I had a code."
"... we were fearless." "There was a sense of it, but we set fear aside. I remembered what fear did. How it turned them against us. I vowed never to be controlled by it. I was going to live, or die, with honor."
Finally I think that interestingly enough, the most telling aspect of the at least canonical values of the Tenno is in Ballas' description of the very source of their most iconic power. The ability to command the Warframes. ""We had created monsters we couldn't control. We drugged them, tortured them, eviscerated them... We brutalized their minds... but it did not work. Until they came. And it was not their force of will - not their Void devilry - not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... and take away its pain."
To me these quotes are at the core of the Tenno's sense of honor, and why the story resonates with me so strongly emotionally... and also why I think our conflict with the Sentients is quite unnecessary and actually pretty tragic.
For all the memes about mass murder for loot, well, that's the genre of game this is. It'd be a completely different type of game without it. One DE might very well not be able to fund their continued existence with. So I don't tend to think about that kinda thing too much from a story perspective. The Grineer seek to destroy or enslave everything that isn't Grineer. The Corpus seek to do pretty much the same under the pretense of "fair competition" that they just so happen to have a massive head start on winning at all times and have no qualms about changing the rules as it serves their interests. They're both pretty clearly not very chill guys. The motivations of the Ostrons and Solaris on the other hand are mainly defined by their struggle for survival against the actions of those factions, and the Tenno's relationship to them is a part of that.
Ok, I don't really have a good conclusion to the essay but yeah, cool video, as usual.
I would actually like a Tenno war event that would be awesome and a perfect way to re introduce a better pvp
After everything we’ve seen, It’d be real hard to convince me the grineer or corpus are really the good guys, or the Ostrons and Solarans the bad guys.
The sentients on the other hand, we still know very little about them, what their goals are, what their society is like. All we know is they’re the enemy of our enemy.
Finally. Someone addressed this. Honestly, DE could create so many stories out of the tenno. Not just the Dark Tenno, but all sorts of Tenno. Those who have given up the fight, and decide to just watch from the void, those who do become genocidal killers bent on just ending the entire system, and perhaps a splinter group stopping them. Awesome boss fights can be had with all sorts of warframes (But something cinematic like most other games and not the way DE does their enemy riggings.)
However, if we are to believe that the Tenno are a rarer race (not 26 million strong), I can imagine a relay full of Tenno discouraged by the turning of the Lotus and secluding away from danger.
Other sample stories that DE can use.
- A Tenno able to control multiple warframes at once, hoping to kill all other tenno thinking them being the highest power of authority have run rampant far too long.
- a Tenno gone crazed wishing to bring back the glory of the Orokin
- a fireteam of tenno mercenaries paid well enough by the corpus to fight for them (I can imagine parvos pulling enough favors, though not with the player character)
- Weaker tenno protecting the syndicates
- Etc. (Possibilities are endless)
If the entire system were aware the Tenno are children, they might be in constant propaganda with each other for the hopes to manipulate the Tenno. Thus can lead to a storyline where the players are never sure who can be trusted.
The potential is insane.
Dude i was thinking to write a fan fic about it just a few days ago. The timing is just right
I'd be curious to hear that one.
@@TheDsIEGE if i manage to pull it off i'll for sure share it
What, like a renegade Tenno or a Tenno civil war?
Damn, i didnt expect a wake up call like this
I figured I'd sneak one in on ya!
"is that how you remember it?"
that is so powerfull, it make what it is now.
not many question it, but some did.
a surprise is coming.
be ready tenno.
and it's on you
Swazdo-lah Surah
stay save
ii
One of my favorite lines in the game... So random yet... chocked full of meaning. We'll see what it turns out to be in the end...
@@TheDsIEGE wish that we can play together one day. Would like to pick each other brain.... lol
@@TheDsIEGE
I mean do you know what that meaning is?
Because if it means something but has very little to do with the game play or state of the time line
I don't think its meaning would mean very much even if it had one to begin with.
Thanks for another thought provoking video. Helps keep the story fresh and interesting while we wait to see if more will come of it eventually
I've often felt a kind of Revan'ish type of reveal when it comes to the Tenno... You have a belief from the very intro that you are fighting the good fight only to find out you are a god-like homicidal orphan following the guidance of a broken machine sent to destroy you. Hard to come back from that. I can only guess how DE will tie it all up. I hope it's not a kind of "plan" that wipes it all away neatly because this story is far more complicated than that.
Maaaann glad someone else has had this thought
Honestly, I think that at least in the case of the Continuity of Ballas, Nihil, Entrati, and all other high-ranking Orokin, they might be able to re-shape their bodies to look more like their original selves after continuity, we know that Orokin had really advanced technology based on manipulation of bio-matter and use of technocyte
And when it comes to what side we are on, well Grineer are an oppressive war-mongering regime that is willing to destroy any of their kind who don't fit their utilitarian society (a good example being Kavor defectors), Corpus are profit-driven capitalism pushed into being a religious cult, willing to put everything through a meat grinder for just a little bit more profit(don't even get me started on the debt system used to keep Solaris and possibly even more groups under Corpus control in check), Infested are just a swarm that wants to devour everything, and Sentients instead of Staying in Tau and trying to build future for themselves or try to push further into space to go away form system once belonging to their oppressive overlords, are still hellbent on getting their vengeance on Tenno, like all these factions fight for selfish reasons non-less than we Tenno do so it's hard to tell any of them are good or bad, just all grey across the board, when it comes to factions i would consider good, probably Steel Meridian and Perin Sequence would be my top candidates, as they do fight to make a change for better in system, worst part is that they are hostile towards each other een if both fight for the same thing, changing their faction of origin for better
But does any of that actually make us good guys, or just basically another group no different from them fighting for control?
@@TheDsIEGE well as i said grey all across the board, including us Tenno, and honestly hard to make it any other way without some serious stretches of logic at this point
@@LilithLonelyHeart
Can the tenno take out the grineer and corpus if they wanted to and make a new life with everyone who hates them?
Are the tenno interested in ending the war at a all?
Will the sentience just figure out how to make babies already? How the hell do they reproduce? We're the fuck are the sex organs in all that mess? I assume they have no idea how they were made.
But they know the tenno killed the orikin....but still want to kill the tenno anyway... odd.
But yeah after seeing what tenno can do....why don't they do more? The game failed to explain. And all we have left is to ...watch scary videos about it.
I can't wait to hear about your review of Tennocon 2021
"The Anticipation" 😁
Konzu in cetus already tells you the answer to this question. "Surah killer".
It's true, he and others seem to have no problem calling us killer...
@@TheDsIEGE it's not just that most of the characters we interact with know what we are, killers for hire.
I think the problem the tenno have is they have been conditioned into being all powerful servants, they have no identity other than that given to them by their masters as "tenno" other than that identifier we have now been given the name "ayatan" by who? Still the Orokin of course. The underpinning method of controlling the tenno is their longing to be a part of something a sort of family, almost all factions in game know this and use it to get the tenno to do their bidding, look at the name of each rank with any faction and it's obvious. But in truth the tenno don't need the rewards anyone in game offers they can take wherever they please and hardly anyone could stop them even without their warframes, and everyone knows this once they see their powers.
@@darkseed6514
Nice.
Never thought they wanted to be in a family.
I thought there would be...simpler ways to do such a thing but they 3000 or more year old child soldiers.....why did I ever expect them to think and act like sane people?
@@darkseed6514 That's why the Arbiters of hexis want the tenno to represent some greater purpose and identity. They'll most likely play a part in the duviri paradox.
I like to dumb it down a bit. None of the faction are good, and from what I've experienced, if they got a gun and they're not on your side, shoot em. But as someone with power, I believe I have to protect the innocent, and I believe that's our cause (protecting ostrons from the grineer, protecting solaris from the corpus). So as long as I'm not pointing my 7 forma amprex at a civilian, I think I'm fighting for the right cause. And if it's a tenno pointing their guns at a civilian, the faction no longer matters to me. least that's how I feel in this game.
theory videos like this are why I subscribed. Keep up the awesome work.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Man… i love your videos so damn much!!!
Food for thought for the man in the mirror from Cephalon Simaris. “Do you ever wonder why only the Hunter is rewarded, when it is the specimen that gives all to the Sanctuary? I find it best to discard such thoughts.”
Letsssss gooooo happy to see you uploading dude
Yeah, I've been working on this one for a few weeks but real life work got in the way. Hope you enjoy!
@@TheDsIEGE It’s awesome as I hope the job goes well and stays well
Your videos are always so thought provoking and makes me use my lizard brain for more than 2 seconds. I love it. Until I try to get back into Warframe and remember that I don’t play anymore because I’m bored out the ass with a lack of content
Anyways, keep up the great content. I love watching everything you post
Yeah, that's my problem too, lol... I get excited about a new concept in game and then I remember I have nothing to do in it. I'm glad you enjoyed the video though!
Used to thought being bord was a me probably now I see that a game being stagnant in any way shape or form is bad u less it doesn't effect the game as a whole.
Frame fighter...who cares.
Warframes whole story telling and how it's not unfolding but giving the illusion that has progressing.
That's a pretty major part of the game ...I hope they fix that one day.....tho I heard ppl in the game making business gets jaded easily...so...cross fingers.
I think the tenno do not belong on one side. They arnt a force for one side... but made to be a tool, used to achieve the end. The orokin did make tenno for the sake of warring with others and ruling with an iron fist. Where that went wrong was using living subjects to do it, allowing for them to be able to choose who to work for.
So essentially, we were made to be neutral but are able to be swayed any which way by whatever that tenno wants
We are literal mercenaries
I swear this man with his thoughts and theory blow my mind great vid man
When hu Tao rerun
Hello! New viewer to your channel and I've been enjoying all your theories and opinions. Keep up the awesome work!
I'm glad you enjoy it!!!
The fact that the Tenno seem to only have loyalty to themselves could lead to a Tenno civil war, likely between Tenno clans, with clans being able to invade other clans of the same class, perhaps even with the help of different factions, like the syndicates.
Another point that I like that you raised but didn’t really flesh out was how much the Tenno who are in the endgame are similar to the higher ranking orokin. Caring about nothing but appearance really. Just like the orokin did.
It used to be a thing in warframe its called solar rail clan vs clan
@@kingofspirite4319 Wait really? I never knew it was a thing. Why did they get rid of it?
@@primeosiris3750its a huge story but in short version some big clan abused that system by putting high amount of taxes on solar rails like if you want to play a match you need to pay a million or more credits to participate
@@kingofspirite4319 bugger them then. That sucks.
I believe that, ever since Lotus/Natah left, we fight for ourselves. We are our own side, opposed in some way to every other party.
And that's what I think is the most horrific thought. At some point, the tenno will begin to gravitate towards evil.
@@TheDsIEGE some tenno might even fight eachother
We fought for ourselves even with the lotus existing.
We helped here and there but it always always with a sens of .
"Well I'm hear...might as well."
Also child soldiers the channel.......idk ....we know they are just.....I feel like we are some how forgetting that in some way....do we really expect children to know the best thing to do with such awful child hoods? They kill the kid that gave us Harro so yeah I don't think any of the 100 are saying children at this point... with the murdering and all.
This is why I love your channel you're basically the only TH-camr who gives critical thinking pertaining to warframe and I'm grateful for that, thank you. Personally, I always thought about this myself every time I go on a mission especially these days, I mean what if the Sentients aren't our enemies, why are we fighting them, their enemy is the orokin why are the Sentients going to war with the system, instead of trying to coexist along with everyone, why is the Stalker constantly going after does he know something we don't? I feel someone is working behind the scenes and they're hellbent on seeing certain factions go to war with each other like the Tenno and The Sentients why does it feel like both sides are being made to fight each other? Even on the Sentient's side something doesn't feel right, where is Natah's father and mother? These are some of the I hope will be answered in the coming future of warframe, again thank you for making us Tenno think more critically.
My guess is that they are felt with in the background. The "another operative" that raid the survival you are the distraction, same way we are never told what "precious information" we hack into. The player tenno is the main character so the only thing that matter is the interaction with he/she. Even in a squad the other players are not import in cannon cause you can't have that all of then made the same main quests. There is one Excalibur Umbra, one greener queen, one moon to be pulled out of the void. The "dark tenno" may be a future villain, maybe after we deal with the ancient they will no longer be a distraction, or maybe during that time, is not that hard to imagine that at least some tenno would hear natah and decide to join her.
What I expected: A neat video about the possibly of dark Tenno in warframe.
What I got: A deep reflection on mortality though the actions and morals of ninja mechs and kids from space.
Not that I'm complaining though. Keep it up.
While I agree that a person might look different after using continuity, I wonder if you could identify someone by examining their Oro.
Possibly. It actually might be the only way to identify them.
@@TheDsIEGE Oh great, another scanner to equip in the future!
I think a good example for this would be Alad V. Hunhow calls him "Orokin named Alad V," so either Hunhow is aware of who Alad V was before continuity and kept track of him but I doubt that is the case, or he can examine/has examined Salad's Oro?
i dont think that those who possess Oro need continuity as they are stated to already be immortal, lie the tenno are. And bc the tenno have not gone through continuity we can also say that continuity is not what gives you Oro.
The king's return🙂💜
Back at it again!
Legend says the dark Tenno are hiding in the trade chat selling rivens at absurd prices...
Personally, my end-goal as a tenno is to help the civilian population oppressed by the Grineer and Corpus empires, if that means clearing out all the Grineer and Corpus (other than Steel and Perrin) them so be it.
Man that War Within clip made me remember how much I loved that quest, and how much I miss these quests too.
I see the Tenno as an old way to keep the orokin in power but as we were awakened into a new time, I see us as survivors rather than a society. We are ancient weapons of mass destruction that some of society look up to and some of society fear and wish to control. Our main goal is to constantly upgrade our gear so that we can over power our adversaries who want us dead or our power. We do bounties in Cetus and Fortuna not because it’s morally right to help these people but because we kill two birds with one stone: taking out armies bent on taking our power and we get weapons, frame components, and the trust and aid of the people. So in conclusion we are not fighting for a side, we are fighting for our survival.
Brightburn is an absolute brilliant metaphor for the Tenno. You're mirroring many of my own questions.
Haven't even watched the video yet but reading the title the first thing that comes to mind immediately is the acolytes.
Are there dark Tenno? Have you ever been in region chat?
lol... No actually I try to stay as far away as possible...
@@TheDsIEGE lol smart man, none who enter ever return quite the same
the video is great I always thought that a dark tenno faction would pop up in duvi-paradox and duvi would be after the new war but the part on teshin i find it to be a stretch tho
In my mind, we're relics of a bygone era trying to restore some semblance of what we consider normal
The choices circle, i think it makes us a Dark tenno or a Good one.
"The line separating good and evil passes through every human heart."
Yet, some days are more darker than others.
I fight for those who are oppressed. The ostron, the solaris. I fight for those who are willing to show compassion to the child lost in the dark. Saya, konzu, eudico, the entrati, margulis. I take pride when leaving solo data collection missions with zero kills. Heck, when I get the chance to go up against natah and the sentient command I have full plans to lay my blade down before them and offer peace. Natah may have said she never cared for us and blames us for much of her peoples suffering. But it was her who taught me not to take everything at face value and the sentients have shown care to eachother. In my opinion, we have a race that morns the loss of not being able to have children and a race of children with no guidance or parents. If I get the chance I want to combine both together and let each be the missing part. Shed the Warframe’s more fully and begin living purely as operator children who can laugh and play like any other child. It might take years but I can see it happening where we only fight if needed and not for payment but for the safety of those we care for.
The Right side is Steel Meridian, because no one stands up for 'them'!
except Steel Meridian !
I think that our frames are only a tool- like stasis in destiny 2. there are people who are saying that stasis is bad, but there also a people who say that if you can control it, it is just a weapon (dangerous but still). Maybe dark tenno could show us that even if you have weapon to help people, this weapon can corrupt you to be a villain
Hearing all these theories makes me think and pay more attention to things in the game like the necramech from heart of deimos who was controlling it and why did it sound slightly like nihil and how it knew about the heart
"From brooding gulfs are we beheld
By that which bears no name
Its heralds are the stars it fells
The sky and Earth aflame"
The questioning was very valid but worse from the orokin inheriting the tenno's body is who is trying to reach from the void, the one who revels in the tenno's bad deeds and earned them the names orokin, infested and elder queen calls them. I think this "the reason to fight to begin with" will be explored more with planes of duviri or void content, the new war will bring the question to surface.
I never thought I'd be thinking this deeply about warframe, if DE pursues this idea then It'll bring back the thing that kept me playing for so long, the feeling that I'm impacting the in game worlds.
Its good to see that Im not the only one who likes the jade set for excalibur :).
Remember the Lotus did mention that we fight for the Free Colonists and many of the old Grineer missions had you either crippling their attempt at taking the Colonists possession/territory or retaliating against an attack.
for Teshin knowing basic transference, its possible, and its likely a lot of characters (maybe the Quills) know how to use it, as we see that people who havent been exposed to the pure void can still use simple transference, like Ballas directly controlling Umbra
Baro probably knows how to use transference given his research into void energy needed to produce prisma equipment, teleportation, and whatever he uses to protect himself from the neural systems within old orokin buildings (which, in a way, is its own form of transference)
To me in the story of warframe we start as war childs but slowly we end up as pirates. We don't opose the two major factions as a heroes against evil but as a countermeasure (and a very lucrative one). Slowly we create our own bases (relays and dojos) were we trade stolen goods and form allies with the enemies of the two major factions because we all are outcast of their systems. And the best part of it is that because it is a coop game, the faction that you are actually defending is the other players.
this will be cool in the end of the New War to be able to choose which side to take- light side ( " good side" ) whit the lotus as our "leader" sort of speak- if turns out she is whit us and she is good person- or dark side ( "bad side" ) whit the Stalker as a leader. This divide will bring a posible ideas for PVP content
The first time I heard the fortuna theme I actually got hyped, love it
I chose the man in the wall if we ever got a chance, i mean he hasn't done anything bad against us, seems nice if a little creepy, and best of all, he helped us multiple times, and we are quite reliant on him
I honestly appreciate this video cause I was thinking about this for awhile but couldn’t explain it the way you did. Honestly, I wouldn’t say that I’ll be a dark Tenno or a righteous Tenno, I’ll just be fighting for my own cause and my own beliefs. If we ever get a quest that’ll allowed us to fight natah and give us the choice to forgive her or kill her. I’ll kill her for betrayal.
Congratulations, you've just spoken what I thought was always the obvious thing about the story of the game! ;P As for an answer to your question, I'd kinda like to answer that half in-character.
I cannot speak for the other Tenno in the System. I cannot even speak for the clan I reside in currently. I can only speak for myself. And as myself, my answer is as such.
I agree with the ideology of the Arbiters of Hexis, to the extent that the Tenno must become more than just a loosely connected band of Mercenaries and Assassins. (Mandalorians, anyone?)
I agree with Teshin, that the Tenno must be ready for whatever enemy that comes to face us.
I agree with The Perrin Sequence and Steel Meridian, to the extent that the Corpus and Grineer equally need new leadership in order for their cultures to grow beyond mindless harming of innocents.
I agree with Red Veil and New Loka, to the extent that the common people need to be protected and that they need a home to return to.
I agree with Simaris and Suda, to the extent that we must know our enemies and must remember our pasts.
I am an honored friend of Cetus, an ol' mate of Fotuna, an adopted family member to the Entrati.
I am an agent of The Quills, a leader of Vox Solaris, a scholor among Necraloids.
I am the blade of The Lotus. I strike down those who would trample on others to make themselves seem more important. I protect those who cannot currently protect themselves.
I am a Tenno. And I will follow these ideals until The Void itself takes me.
The way I see it evil behavior creates evil reactions. Hence the way the orikin treated everyone under them( the corpus, the griner, the sentients, the tenno), the orikin imprinted on all of them sowing seeds of discontent and vengeance so that they can imprint on others thus the cycle continues. I can't say for certainty if the tenno want to break the cycle or continue it. After all they were raised in war, peace is a new concept to them and like all kids new things scare them. The origin system runs on war and chaos, though evil in nature it is a system that has not yet destroyed everything. Such as a forest that grows over populated a wild fire clears away all access. I can't say for certain what I want as a tenno but I can say that war and absolute chaos is just another day in warframe.
It's funny how the later quests didn't left as much of an impact on me as the earlier ones such as "Stolen Dreams" and "The Limbo Theorem" mostly because I was helping someone that clearly needed the help or was so excited to move forward with something they had discovered that the feeling was intoxicating. That are so very feel quests after those that didn't hit the same notes for me.
"Octavia's Anthem" was a good example of what motivated me to help. I didn't care for Hunhow's threats, I didn't really care getting Octavia and I specially didn't care that Simaris had a change of heart on that moment. I just wanted to make Suda happy. That was it.
"Stolen Dreams" only hooked me because Maroo really needed to get something out of the job and I felt really bad when it became a dud in the end. I could feel she would be struggling if this job she pulled us into didn't pay off in the end.
"The Limbo Theorem" made me excited to see Ordis in such rush of excitment because it felt like he found THE story that was just his jam, only to see it ends in a VERY SOUR NOTE. That made me use Limbo not because he is a near perfect utility frame, but because Ordis went so out of it's (I should've said his) way just to find out what happened to it's previous escapades and begged me to make it's parts just so he could have a glimpse of it. So to honour his excitment and give a glimmer of hope that "It" would see the light of day again, I told myself that "I, the player, this particular Tenno" would learn every minute detail about it's particular weaknesses and strenghs to, maybe one day, bring back the glory this fella we dug out togheter once had.
I initially thought that "the Second Dream" and it's preciding quest were amazing because it showed that the Lotus was in the same boat as we were, but as things are spiraling out of control now with all the things relating to "THE MAN", I'm starting to think something has gone horribly, horribly wrong somewhere in the past.The Lotus needs help, but we can't get to her. I wanted to sit down and talk with her... Hell, I'd do the same with Hunhow if he gave me the chance!
But alas, we are spiraling towards a vortex of deception and subterfuge planted by the one entity that isn't going to give us the only answer we want:
"Remember kiddo. You Owe Me."
It would help a lot if you told us WHAT do we owe you.
Transparence is the essence of trust, but you seem really selective about what and when you are crystal clear with us. Isn't it time we changed that, "Man in the Wall"?
I think this could explain Stalky Boi and his Edgy Boi cult...
Like why else would they have Warframes that are albeit heavily augmented?
I always thought the war within was a flash back to when tenshin was training us. That he was like a favorite or specially augmented to last long. Also we don’t know how long they could make other things last.
I personally value high morals i use to be different in a bad way but I'm trying to change for the best to this day thanks to someone important to me I have my feelings again and I worry for those who can't fight for themselves i wish I could make an alignment change i hope I get that chance to reflect that I'm trying to change to a better path in life
I thought you might also have discussed how the Solaris behave around us when we're in range in regards to the dark tenno angle. How tenno were responsible for torturing the Solaris. That could added imo to the dark tenno theory.
I remember something about the Dax being given longevity, at the expense of self will, so I just accepted Teshin to have always looked like that. What didn't make sense to me was when he asked why they would want the child, not the warframe. He should know more than that in his position, and having lived as long as he has, been able to find a way into our minds during the Continuity attempt. I mean we do encounter him in the quest line on different tilesets, including an Orokin one. Who's to say he hasn't gone off on his own in the past and scoured Orokin structures?
Maybe he's lived as long as he could by design and the Queens extended it further because they needed him as the last Dax. That perhaps over time, could've given him a bigger sense of self, like Wall-E did over time. A will and consciousness beyond the original design.
The emperor’s at the very least had oro which is why we were able to kill them. It would seem that ballas was high enough ranking to be the same as his appearance is the same in both.
Those with oro don’t seem to age as the Tenno even not in a cryo pod don’t age while in the second dream.
Teshin is something strange and is an interesting topic to discuss, he might have have an oro some how or this theory may be accurate
This is a theory to consider, it’s difficult to know for sure if other Tenno are themselves
Agreed. He's a tough nut to crack, and as far as in game goes, there's no one else like him.
@@TheDsIEGE perhaps he’s tapped into some alternative power (related to the void) that we aren’t aware of, while it’s true that warframes are more powerful it seems to me that there are different kinds of “power” in warframe, for example:
Nothing compares to a necramech in terms of sheer power
But a warframe has more hacks and potency to their abilities
And a Max Tenno has even more hacks than that, perhaps teshin is special in some way, if the cinematic trailer is to be taken as cannon, we are capable of taking on an army of Dax, but that doesn’t mean that there weren’t Dax that were more powerful than others just like some Tenno are more powerful than others, like for example, mirage was defeated by a sentient, but gara defeated a sentient. It’s possible that teshin has more potency than us and was heavily restrained in our fight or perhaps his abilities are just more subtle than ours and couldn’t shine in that situation ie: cloning himself and telekinesis which we have seen him use
Sorry if this feels out of place but ever since Lotus/Natah was taken or left, whatever way you want to look at it, I feel like we have just been running away from it.
When you really look into it the Tenno don't have a leader or any societal structure, we were a bunch of overpowered kids that at first believed themselves to be War Machines and then actual kids, no matter how much we were deceived or manipulated by the Lotus, which she herself admits to before even leaving, we just kept following Space Mom wherever she directed us to.
If she sent us on a mission to exterminate a Grinner outpost for example we wouldn't question it, we would do it and feel nothing over the many lives we had just ended, because we trusted the Lotus.
In all honesty I just feel like the Tenno are kids afraid of being rejected AGAIN and will do anything to please whoever is their current paternal/maternal figure. They did it for Margulis, then for the 7 Emperors, then for the Lotus, and who knows who else they served without even knowing.
Yes in many ways the Tenno could be seen as deities but we can't forget that they are also kids that were left/abandoned without any guidance.
From what we know of Orokin society and from the brief snipets of story we got, I think we can safely assume that the Tenno were feared and hated when they returned from the Void with their powers, with most wanting the Tenno dead. Something like that happening would really mess up a kid, so for them Margulis was this guardian that protected them from the people who wanted to harm them and with the Lotus/Natah being made in her image or mimicking her just ensured that they would follow her as well.
To answer the question in the video, I don't think the Tenno truly care about what they are doing, before the Lotus left they followed her because she "was Margulis" but now I just feel like they are jumping from mission to mission since the Lotus left them so as to not face that fact, that once more they were rejected and abandoned by someone they trusted.
Remember that they are kids, and like many of us IRL can possibly relate to, it is easier to run from a problem than to face it, jumping from mission to mission and following whatever instructions they are given so they don't have to start thinking for themselves on what they are doing and why.
Just like you said in your video, why are they fighting? What is their goal? What do they do after they "win"? They even got a Holo version of Lotus so they wouldn't have to think for themselves, that way they could just continue following a Lotus even if she wasn't the real one.
I don't believe this cycle can end until the Tenno confront what happened and start to actually decide what they want, both as individuals and as a group.
The Tenno have always depended on others for direction and purpose, until they discover what they truly want/believe and start fighting for it they will always be a pawn in someone else's game.
If I as the player had to decide if they are good or bad I would say that they are neither, because they aren't acting a certain way because they believe in it, they are instead following what someone else sent them to do without question, that doesn't make them innocent either tho.
Love your videos, keep up the good work and please don't feel pressured to post, your mental health has to come first
Gotta say, in my own mind, and I believe in my Tenno's as well (since I'm the who plays him I'm gonna believe that 🙃), I still believe we're the good guys, since most of the time (I hope) we fight for those who can't fend for themselves, the Ostrons, the Solaris, and even the Entraty in a way... Can't say much about the syndicates though, they're quite... unrelatable if I may way, but I'll still try to hold on to my beliefs (if there's such a thing in a videogame 😅)
you can actually choose for dark or white or balance depednign on the anwser during the main story as you play them. that way it reflect on what functions you have since yes depending on the choices you made you have diffrent fucntionalities. white answer mostly leads to cleansing of the system. dark anwser a more infested approach like deimos related stuff, balance and you get a dark melee hit effect that causes darkness to spread. also certain anwser if go dark make you on and off loose controll of you warframe, depending on what you choose during war within. i tested it multiple time via replay and it affect gameplay! so yes dark tenno are allready in game! also it alter you characters chatter responses.
So there seems to be three distinct trains of thought here.
1)Could an Orokin disguise themselves as a Tenno via Continuity.
2) Who the hell even is Teshin
3) Are we fighting for the right cause/what even is the ‘right cause’
To the first I say ‘possible but unlikely’. Given what we know of the Orokin, those who could afford Continuity would advertise that it’s them in this new body; not unlike how we parade in FashionFrame as you pointed out. And though the Queens seem to believe so, there’s no indication that someone achieving Continuity on a Tenno would have access to their void powers that I’m aware of.
Of the second I have no answer currently, as I’ve not done any deep delves on what little we have about Teshin
And on the third, I definitely agree that the Tenno as they currently are aimless and manipulated. Though I wonder if the Duviri Paradox is intended at least begin rectifying that.
On the other hand how long has it been lore wise since Natah was re-awakened? How much time have the Tenno actually had to even begin considering questioning who they follow and why?
When finally do though, this line from RWBY’s song Time to Say Goodbye seems fitting:
~Are we heroes keeping peace? Or are we weapons? Pointed at the enemy so someone else can claim the victory?~
(Final slightly unrelated note; We fight the Sentients because they’ve made it clear that there’s no distinction to them between the modern system and the old. We are all Orokin to them and equally guilty of the crimes of the Empire.)
So here is the thing I remember from movie Avengers age of Ultron. The Ultron took personality of Tony Stark his creator. Keeping that in mind we are like literal gods of the universe/solar system in the Warframe perhaps we are more evolved version of orokin in other words the perfection that orokin always desired. We never fought for right or wrong from beginning. We did whatever we were told by lotus like a newly born God who doesn't know his own power. And if any tenno sees himself/herself as a God does it really matter what they do is good or evil? Maybe yes or maybe no. Having so much power at disposal of tennos makes us a force to be reckoned with. Even if we do something wrong/evil there is no one who can tell us we are right or wrong. With that said maybe our personality came from orokin as they once thought they were gods and do whatever they want to do for sake of immortality , absolute power and beauty.
It would be great if someone intervene us like the man in wall. Maybe the man in wall was tenno too and became a dark tenno maybe after too long there might be faction of tennos evil, good and neutral. And they might fight among themselves and destroy themselves like they destroyed orokin, sentients, corpus and grineer.
your excalibur is immaculate good sir
AND HE IS BAAACK!!! :D I am glad to hear another of your theories. This one... I actually have a lot of thought about this one. And I honestly think I am representing less popular point of view.
First of all... WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL, would a powerful technologically advanced civilization give a bunch of teenagers god like abilities without having SOME WAY of controlling it? I mean... Would you give a nuclear bomb to a 13 year old kid? How about 15 year old? I mean... the way I see the rebellion was literally one of the teenage fits "NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME" ... or "YOU ARE NOT MY PARENT TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO" You know... regular teenage stuff. SO I must ask... how come of an entire space dwelling civilization NO ONE thought that maybe... JUST MAYBE, it would be smart to have some sort of fail safe switch?
So... ok... we had a fit of rage among a group of teenagers and they destroyed an entire civilization... Tenno are still teenagers. Can they even comprehend what they had done? A Son (can't remember his name) on Deimos has a nice sentence about him being engaged... and Tenno killed his fiancee. Even Nihil had a few interesting quotes:
""They were deranged children run amok. Centuries of progress - destroyed. But they never destroyed me. "
"Oh please. The mob murdered the Empire. Since then, the Origin System has known nothing but conflict, chaos, and collapse. The human capacity for delusion is truly without limit. You ask why I exist? I give you this little mouthpiece for the collapse of civilization."
If I could chose... I would never chose to kill Orokin. AN ENTIRE CIVILIZATION! Now... do we even have to ask a question, are the Tenno good guys? They literally destroyed origin system in a fit of rage. Tenno ARE bad guys for sure.
I have to say the best way for me to answer the question is contained in these lyrics-
"I can't tell what is wrong or what is right,
I've got to find the answer
But until I do,
There's no way that I'll ever give up.
Place all your bets on the one you think is right!"
Forced to grow up far too soon, fighting in a war we can barely comprehend with powers nobody can truly train us to use. All we can do is fight for what we believe in.
Dark Tenno here. I can confirm that yes, yes there are. We lurk with-in the shadows waiting for the opportunity to prey. Natah lives
At this point, I'm on the Sentients side, if it means destroying everything and starting all over again.
Siege, this has no correlation to this video, but I wanted to tell you something curious I noted in the Hidden Messages quest. During the quest, Lotus tells about a fight between Mirage and a "worm-ship"; in the Rising Tide quest, Cy also describes a battle between his old crew and a worm-ship. It got me thinking if the "void dragon" - as people like to call - in the Duviri Paradox trailer is actually called worm-ship.
I actually believe they are one and the same... Hopefully duviri will shed more light on them.
This is why I don't want the Lotus back.
She NEVER answered the important questions.... Our answers were given in feint whispers.
Memories of the past we shouldn't remember... Memories from a man in the wall.
A man who consumes the guilty in the light of unadulterated, saturated void. A light of Jade.
Lotus was not trustworthy
Dax was not trustworthy
The only trustworthy figure has been Baro Ki'Teer.
He's been a pain in the ass, constantly, but he's been honest.
Of course there is, Stalker and his acolytes
But never imagined that line of theory, if there's more Orokin, so it would be really cool to see those Dark Tenno as enemies.
We really don't know what they are yet though. There are hints but... Nothing iron clad saying tenno command those frames. I like to believe there are tenno in there, but... No proof is actually available. Whats even crazier is to think maybe... Those frames are the good guys.
If you ask me, i think all tenno believes in balance of power. The battle pay of which faction we fight on is just some way of trying to convince the tenno that this faction gives balance. Even if they are fighting for the wrong side, the tenno will just make every faction powerless again for example, absolutely destroying the invasion bosses and make them build it all over again. So we are just basically reset buttons waiting to be pushed. It would also explain our focus powers for example zanurik, they believe to balance something is to overwhelm it.
I think it's more likely that Teshin Dax was probably just heavily involved in the transference program maybe serving as security or some such to Margulus or Balas