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- Is it just me or are we overlooking a lot regarding ballas, his behavior, motivations, return from out of nowhere and his seemingly unreasonable changes in allegiance? Personally, I think some of it was right under our noses but... a shiny new toy made us look past a few very critical details. I'll be curious to hear what you think about this one, part one of a larger group of theories I'm calling, The Devil in the Details.
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Oh shit notice how bala's expression changes in the cutscene when umbra stabs him? He almost laughed and then he puts on the shocked "I created you" face, just like how he acted in front of natah that he was a slave. Boys a fuckign actor.
What do you expect from a emortal space Roman
Good eye glad you caught it. I noticed that day one the quest came out. I do believe I said something in chat along the lines of that but of course after that I got people messaging me telling me nah that didn't happen. So yeah thats why keep small details like that to myself. Plus the eyes thing with Ballas I had my suspicions with it but now it's all been confirmed now thanks to TheDsIEGE. EDIT: Put TH-camrs name in
@@akiral3g10n6 I mean it's still a theory, I wouldn't quite call it confirmed, but yeah good to see some more people thinking about this.
@@tellmeninetails5819 Well let's think his eyes go red like they do when the tenno are under influence with The Man in the Wall. I don't think that is Hunhow because he gets more or less murked his final time in Octavias Anthem even though yes I gotta admit the voice does sound alot like Hunhow it's still got that wierd after sound like with The Man in the Wall. I mean it could be both at the same time I haven't seen much pointing to the fact that both Hunhow and The Man in the Wall can't be in the same body with Ballas I don't have anything of that confirmed yet though.
He has had eons to practice lying.
I always thought when the man in the wall said “you owe me” that he was talking about the tenno’s powers
I think he is, but... it's why he had to give those powers that concerns me.
Same- but not everything is completely visible- in cases like these, you have to look behind the scenes at the clues to see what they are and how they match up. DE likes their puzzles if you haven’t noticed.
@@TheDsIEGE Why? If he’s like the being in the tower on the Plains of eidolon, then you’re delving into time manipulation. This could be a direct counter to that and could help to answer the “Why”.
@@daydreamdirty I think the question that Siege is trying to point out is: what is Wally getting out of this?
@@akhannar9368 Possibly revenge- because of being out there in that position to begin with. Just simply slaughtering enemies would end it too quickly. As for powers, I can see that being worriesome
The voice change of ballas, when he's talking through the transference bolt, could be his original voice or an amalgam of many voices of the bodies he possessed through the ages.
This exactly.
The eye and voice changes happen because we are listening to Ballas due to the Transference bolt in Umbra.
DE needs to give us more lore or else we'll start reaching for the straws.
I wonder if we'll get literally any story this year
I hope, but I don't expect it. My grandkids are gonna love this game when the story is finished.
Totally underrated comment right here, lol
steve mentioned it in the recent devstream, there will be some new story element in update 30, coming this spring
@@cy4 yeh he also said this is going to be "a good year" for warframe's story development
@@cy4 well so much for that, eh? Maybe later this year lmao
@@Benzinilinguine yeah... altho i think it was meant to be the introduction for the sisters of parvos, kinda a side story in the game at this point
12:17 remember that she's the minic queen, mimics can change their entire body to look like something else. Doesn't sound too far fetched that she can make her voice sound more human
"How long have we waited for this moment"- the lotus.
Interesting that Natah would say that, huh?
@@TheDsIEGE hey I have a non lore related question. If and when we fight the lotus will you kill her or spare her? For my self, I would kill her because she doesn't seem to have a free will of her own. She has been manipulated by the orikin and quiet possibly the sentients. I just want her to be free and after everything we have been through I can't bring myself to hate her.
Well... I'll kinda spoil the next part of the vid series if I explain but... No. For a very long time I would have done the same as you but... if what I'm thinking is correct, we NEED to keep her alive. Everything may hinge upon it.
@@TheDsIEGE here is a lore idea from me. Nearly all of the corrupt factions in the warframe universe have some kind of immortality. The grinner queens keep cloning soldiers to fight for her and transfer her body into. The corpus will exist as long as there is money to be made from exploiting innocent. The infested keep growing back faster than we can destroy them. The senteints have adapted in a way to that they won't die from age. And even though most orikin are e either dead or under glass🤣😁. My concern is if we do kill the lotus we may become as vile as any other faction in warframe because she or margulas showed us how to love (as cheasy as it sounds).
Not cheesy at all, and in the next part of the series, I'm going to try to show that all those factions being as strong as they are might be a product of the same thing... Pulling the strings.
It’s so good to hear “Hey all, Siege here.”
It's always good to say it!
@@TheDsIEGE Siege the Woz 😳
@@TheDsIEGE I have a curiosity to know who wrote this whole story. Anybody know? Was it Steve?
@@videoradeon since 2017 a certain Cam Rogers I believe: ca.linkedin.com/in/cam-rogers-4a976712
But then I don't know how many writers they have. I'm sure the Steve is still involved too.
Siege: spits some galaxy brain stuff
Me, too tiny brained to fully grasp some of these topics: "Haha yea you go you funky man"
Hey, it's my job to look way too deep into stuff for all of you that really shouldn't matter that much, lol!
Lol
I always threw it up to "now these characters are relevant, throw em in the story" kinda deal.
Now that you mention it, I'm noticing a lot of these details going through cutscenes and replaying quests.
Well played DE. well played.
If I end up being right about this... WOW. DE will have definitely impressed me with this one!
@@TheDsIEGE I guess we’ll see then. So far the story is still compelling but is no longer “new and fresh” to me- but since its original, deep and compelling” I want to stick around.
Also I’d like to hear at some point if DE impresses you and how if you don’t mind.
@@daydreamdirty Well, I mean we heard Ballas talking all the way back in The Second Dream years ago. So he's obviously been a vital part of the story with foreshadowing
@@dio2599 I hope so- I really like his character design
Change in the eyes and voice indicate Ballas talking privately through transferrance bolt. And gestures with his "Orokin hand" indicate commands through transferrance. Ballas uses a gesture with both Natah and Umbra.
And now that i think about it, could the change of the hand be tied to how much an orokin uses void/transferrance to control others?
Edit: It was actually Lotus (not Natah) that Ballas used his hand command on.
Yeah but the lotus is natah, so that doesn't really make a difference
It's all the Man in the Wall imo. He's coordinated everything ever since he got stuck in the Void. I think anyone who touched the Void can be touched by him, including or especially Orokin like Ballas. The longer you let him touch you, the stronger his influence, until you can no longer tell where you end and he begins. And I think Ballas has long since passed that point.
I don't think the man in the wall ever became "stuck" in the void. I think he's an extension of the void itself. He can't leave it normally because he's part of it, and when the zariman came and the deal was made with the tenno that gave them void powers, then he could leave, because he was now a part of them.
You know, The Void, everything is pointing to the Void. Everything and Everyone.
Man on the wall could have figured how to cpnstruct a physical body and pretend it is real.
I expect the MITW (void manifest) to eventually hatch some vastly nefarious yet mind bending plan. Something truly ‘Lovecraftian’
Maaaaan
Legit everything you do has some reason to get a Mention of "Void this Void that"
It pains me ._.
we already know why ballas has the golden eyes and the distorted voice when he speaks to umbra in the sacrifice. he put a transference bolt in him, which gave him direct control of his whole brain. transference bolts are brain implants the orokin used to communicate/control machines and everything else that served them. he waited because he needed a sign that the sentients are waking up again. he needed natah to make her the all mother and the full sentient force to finish the old war. this means that, to him, this war isn't over. he must know that the orokin aren't dead and only the sentients are able to stand up to them.
natah is a mimic. when she was lotus, her voice was the voice of margulis. now that she's natah again, her voice is a little more her own. geoff said on a devstream that she keeps the face of lotus on because she doesn't really know or remember who she was before her reprograming. as you know, she spent the last couple thousand years being a programed mother to her biggest enemies. the orokin deleted her and made her into a false margulis. we also know where the consciousness of a sentient is. it's described in that one simaris entry. a small star shaped mass, a living machine that absorbs matter and adapts. the big ships and the fragments aren't sentients. they're that. fragments of a body.
i believe ballas wants to die. he really wanted a perfect death. as in, he wants redemption because he betrayed margulis. he destroyed an empire for her. i think he wants to correct his mistakes and die in peace. in his own psychopathic way.
Finally someone who has made a valid theory with consistent evidence.
This entire video and all the comments seem like major conspiracy theorists grasping at straws
2 years later and soemthing wierd your comment was the only correct one but the vid creator never liked your comment lol
If I were actually a Tenno,I'd be the blackwargreymon walking amongst them. Me with my Nightmare Chroma destroying the system. "He whose name we DARE not speak"
Well, let's be real. The tenno already get no credit for how bad ass they are, maybe we all need to adopt that type of mentality and show the system what's really up...
@@TheDsIEGE Exacty!!
@@TheDsIEGE I think that’s designed on purpose- because the Tenno are children. What children ever get credit for anything? No- I suspect our characters are STILL children- but we’re made to look like we’re teenagers.
I mean, we literally commit genocide regardless of race or politics. Yes we were guided by the lotus, but after we found she was fake we keep doing it, perhaps because it feels good...it soothes us...it reminds us of mom and dad.
All I know is, I too invite them to a sunset oblivion.
In my way to melt the Exploiter Orb and the Profit Taker's amalgam brains with a concentrated beam of void energy.
oh man , every time i see one of your videos i learn that there is so much depth to this game and i dont know any thing about it
reeeeeally nice video
Thank you! Yeah, I had to rewrite the script on this a few times because I kept coming up with new stuff!
@@TheDsIEGE keep it up man and thank you
Geez, This is why I like to watch this channel. I never notice these things
That's what I'm here for! To spend way too much time analyzing the stuff you didn't notice!
Lol, i honestly appriciate it bro. Keep up the good work😁😁
Thank you and I'll do my best!
@@TheDsIEGE Wish I had the drive you do- but while I sort of do- I’m spread out in more areas making me an extremely poor choice- also you and others covered so much and I only got to this scene a year and a half ago
Imagine, by the end of this series, DE Warframe's developers saying "there's a certain TH-camr that uncovered some of our plans, after all, they where all hidden in plain sight; but they missed on something, a minimal detail... kiddo". Now I'm making a fanfic, in my head, of a theory by a TH-camr I follow about a game that I play and it's far from fully developed. Thank you, Siege! This is gonna get interesting!
Yeah this seems a bit too big brain for Ballas, then again its ballas so I wouldn't be surprised
he is a very interesting character, and I would like to know more about him
dope video, can't wait for part 2
me neither. I wanted to include more in this one but it just started to get too long. Still a LOT to go over yet!
@@TheDsIEGE yeah, this is gonna be a dope series
@@TheDsIEGE if you check out my responses and posts here hopefully I have you more material to work with- and on.
:)
The only Guy whose content isn't ever "End-game". Thank god i found you when i was playing warframe.
The 1 dislike at this point in time is the man in the wall because you're uncovering his plot
And it looks like he has an ally.
There will always be opposition! And the man in the wall is everywhere.
@@TheDsIEGE glad to see you back man, I love these lore theories so much, cant wait for part 2 :)
2:52 Same for the Entrati and Nihil. The Orokin were supposed to be extinct until Ballas appeared, but apparently DE specializes in making the story inconsistent.
Damn you got me thinking
That's exactly what I was trying to do, lol!!!
I was going the other way with this. I was almost certain that Erra, while holding "Ballas" on a "Snare", was in fact Ballas himself. Transference into a Sentient? Unheard of SO far, but with the direct control over Lotus, it could be possible.
What caught my attention on this one was that one cephalon in particular didn’t react as he would had done if this really was Ballas. Ordis never once had that anger bursting out... if that one makes sense. He never forgot Ballas at all.
I personally think that Natah displaying parts of Margulis in her true form is supposed to be symbolic of how the Lotus is not gone completely yet.
the man in the wall has this nice name for a reason, the walls have eyes, if he’s in the wall he will see you if you’re in the room... the man in the wall being an entity or embodiment of the void might be correct but how terrifying must it be to know how he has been pulling the strings and crawling his way into th e reality of the origin system, void surges, the void clouds in space, and then think of this... at the start you use a void bomb to destroy the infestation from a great spaceship “void energy only destroys organic forms” so the infestation get’s destroyed, but why? and when the sentients were created why did the void become poison to them? was that just something from their creation, or was that done on purpose?
I only recently found your channel and I'm so glad I did, such good content. :)
Hey I appreciate you stopping by and enjoying the channel! Lots more to come!
I would like them to either end the new war or continue with the story plssss
You and me both!
The reply from one the 3 Gustag Assassins “BOORRRINGG!!” 😂
Fits quite well because we’re all hoping for the story to continue.
“But as I opened my eyes, it wasn’t her. It was me.”
“It’s me, Pamela Anderson, with 8 Millions trees. Here with and urgent message....”
lol perfectly timed ads strike again!
Lol
This came up on my dash, subbed at the end! Can't wait for part 2, I may not have fun playing Warframe anymore but I love to see the story getting the attention it deserves.
I've been waiting so long to find a good speculation channel for Warframe omg, instant sub
4:27 that's Albrecht's eye, looking at the Man in the Wall, perhaps? Wallie always has his head tilted, as we see him in the orbiter.
Having just recently come back to WF after a 2 year hiatus, I love that the Man in the Wall is getting more attention. While some of this is spoilers for me, mostly the latter part with Lotus attacking us with the Tenno, MitW is my favorite part of the story i had experienced so far. Keep up the work man.
Always love this kind of theory making that totally changes the way you look at what's happening in the story.
The man in the wall is the biggest mystery that I'd love to see solved someday.
Great job as always!
Your theories are the reason i keep returning to WF! Great job!
Amazing video! For real, didn't expect warframe lore to get so deep.
Nice theory!
This has to be my favorite channel when it comes to lore and theories for Warframe. Siege is the best at it. Reminds me of the old days when theories for popping left and right for Black Ops 1 & 2 Zombies.
missed your vids, man. always good to see your content.
Work keeps me pretty busy these days, but I'm still gonna do all I can to make some content for you all. I enjoy it!
I appreciate all the effort and thought put into this video! It may not have as many views as you wanted it to, but I love it :)
Love it! It's been too long, but well worth the wait! You too take care, Siege. Until the next time, stay well!
And here was i thinking all lead down a rabbit hole but when you put it all together it makes sense. That teaches me not to dump silly warframe theories down the drain.
If I'm going to be really honest, your vids and lore speculation are some of the last things tying me to this game I used to love so much. Thank you for keeping that little ember of hope burning. Give me my damn war DE!
If I'm being honest, it's the only thing really keeping me playing as well, lol. But... It is keeping me playing so... that's something.
@@TheDsIEGE I started in '13. Blah blah blah life stuff then a couple years back I made a new account, got my friends and my now wife playing and we went hard for a long while. All of us just fell off because we we're so invested in the story. I don't know if DE is doing a slow burn or not but from an engagement stance they are not doing so well. We speculated on the lore as a group and we're anticipating Duviri and New War so hard that, covid or not, this wasteland of content just turned us off.
I always found a connection in the man in the wall and all of this, you know when he comes at you as your reflection in your orbiter saying "hey kiddo" notice to color of his eyes, in the new cinematic where ballas is chained by the sentients , he has one eye exactly of the same color as your "demon", in my opinion, the man in the walls was and still is trying to help us, and is using Ballas to help us, giving us Paracesis, and some informations, like a drone looking out for us, and in your railjackl, there is a pod if you press X on it, the man in the walls (or who i assume to be) speaks out, he is still there, by our side, doing whatever he can being not really physical what he can do is limited
This is some really interesting stuff, can’t wait for the rest coming down the line
Yeah this has been my theory for years but if my other theory on " Hey Kiddo" is also correct, then what comes next will be far worse then what came before.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed all this! Wait til the next part!
Debatable- but that can only go so far because the players are the Tenno and if the tenno get taken out- who would we play the game as next? No- as the game gets more difficult I wouldn’t be surprised- but I personally don’t think things will get much worse.
@@daydreamdirty if my theory that everytime "The Man in the wall" says "Kiddo" is it testing to see if the Tenno is linked or to show when the bond is at it's strongest, then what comes next would definitely be far worse.
@@novadselir1068 You lost me, but no worries. It’s all a matter of perspective isn’t it?
To this I can only quote a BNP video he did years ago.
"Who is the man in the wall?"
"It's... *INAROS!* " (egyptian music plays)
If theres anyone who isnt who they say they are in this story it's the Tenno. I dont think Ballas refers to us as, "devils" simply because he doesnt like us. Our helminth also refers to us as, "the demon". Our sworn enemies, The sentients, are parraled with Angel's in many ways. From Erra's, "dont be afraid" / "be not afraid" lines. To their multitudes of borderline eldritch forms and purposes, and their hierarchies. Even their concept is nigh angelic. A race of powerfull non human, sentient beings, created by "gods" that guide and pioneer humans to a new home. I think the tenno have a much more nefarious purpose.
Another observation, and kinda a reach. Natah has three forms; Margulis, the mother of the tenno. Natah, the daughter of the sentients. And the Lotus, the ethereal entity who directs the Tennos missions. She's like some genderbent version of Chistianities father/son/holy spirit.
Definitely looking forward to watching part 2
It's worth noting that we already have an in fiction explanation for the corpus voices. Corpus have voice modulators in their helmets to make them all sound the same because the Corpus treat their human and robotic tools the same way. Like cogs in a greater machine
That's kind of what I tried to insinuate, but... we'll see. There could even be more to them in the end...
Good shit man, new sub right here, I would dig a Warframe movie.
You know the sad part I've noticed these small changes and had these exact same speculations I just never said anything cause I wanted to see if anyone at all out of the TH-cam Creators from Warframe noticed. My good sir you I believe are the first Creator to Notice and say something I applaud you.
We must think alike!
@@TheDsIEGE I like to think I sometimes dig too deep into lore for games. As an example perhaps a reason why certain characters from Persona 5 Strikers don't show is because they are either too busy to show up in the story or they are off dealing with an entire other problem, only reason I speculate this is because Joker and the others have to get together from different schools I maybe reaching too far there though. BTW only reason Persona 5 Strikers is coming up is im playing it right now. Now Warframe wise I've noticed certainly how sneaky DE can be when hiding very important but very small details most people don't notice off the bat, now not too toot my own horn but I sort of notice small details like that more than the average person. I do have days however that I gotta look at something 10 times to make sure I'm covering all my bases.
@@TheDsIEGE Well I will say I officially relenqish my lore digging duties to you. You are definitely more capable than me I may notice tiny details off the bat but you can do the same thing and tie it with the story in a way that makes more sense and your able to get this info out without people directly shitting on on you unlike me. A bit of advice is also look at playing through the quests and go through them slow you may pick up on even more tiny secret details. If I am correct Lotus is more of a captive in the position she's in with what the newer lore quests convey, that's all I'm gonna say on that though. Also not confirming anything but I think the attack on the heart was not only intentional but I think some form of outside interference played a big role in that.
To me, you are the only person that thinks really hard when theorizing about the Warframe universe, your theories blow my mind so I 100% trust you. Thank you so much for creating this channel.
Thank you so much for appreciating the work! I'm not sure everyone does, so it makes me feel good to know someone notices!
wow your theories make perfect sence to me..
An interesting detail I just noticed.. Albrecht Duviri says somthing about severed fingers he studied and how his advances put the stars in reach and in the background the reliquieriy drive with 'the finger' is shown... that is most certainly not a coincidence
Definitely not! We'll get into that later in the series!
Once again, the lore master has blessed us with his great theory videos.
So hyped for the next video.
this actually makes so much sense, can't wait for part 2
The MITW appears to each of us as ourselves, yet speaks to us as a (derogatory?) parent. Specifically digging deep within our memories and finding a phrase or pet name that is deeply connected to us.
The parent/child theme. It’s seeded ALL throughout Warframe.
I truly hope this is the year DE advances the lore at least as far as they did with Dream/War quests. We’re long overdue.
NICE CATCH!!!!!
@@TheDsIEGE lol yeah. And then you post pt2 after this message. Glad we’re on the same wavelength!
That part u said about umbra finding out about ballas’s plans to exterminate the orokin, I did not know about that, and I’m guessing that forcing him to kill his son was some sort of sick punishment for trying to expose him? That’s a pretty damn cool backstory if I’ve ever heard one. Honestly a lot better to find out from you than to read the lore myself.
If Lotus was purely Sentient, she wouldn't be in that suit thing. Even the way Erra talks when she tries to remember makes me think they are hinting that she is being controlled through the suit. I think Ballas betrayed her; maybe even was instrumental in allowing Natah and Margulis to meet before her death and resulted in some kind of amalgamation, and then things didn't play out the way he planned. Now, perhaps the Man in the Wall was instrumental in what happened to Ballas, pointing the player in the right direction. Still, I think you are on the right track. :)
Yeah, I'm digging you saying he was instrumental in Natah meeting the lotus, there could be some real fire there! Hopefully you'll tune into the next vid in the series. I think you're gonna like it.
This is a really good theory! I never actually thought about any of this
hey so i watched a bunch of your videos today and I noticed something. you didn't mention that when we had the Vitruvian of Ballas explain things during the Umbra quest he mentioned a belief that the Orokin held and it was the belief of Duality. that all things MUST come in pairs and seeing as how you suggested that it could be both Ballas and The Man In The Wall well...
Great theories as usual! I I definately agree that someone is playing both sides. Trying to get us to go to war. Someone is pulling the strings, and I think it's The Man in The Wall.
I'm very interested in Call of The Tempestarii too. The cover art shows pluto. The tenno were going to the Outer Terminus when the void jump accident happened, coincidentally there is also a node called outer terminus on pluto. Tempestarii is a word from midlevel lore meaning someone who can summon or stop storms at will. In this case, Void Storms. I think it is going go be the setup for Duviri Paradox.
Edit: it says "Outer Gates" not Outer Terminus, but they could very well be the same thing.
"Oh, this. I had them fit you with a transference bolt."
The yellow eyes and telepathic-seeming communication is an odd form of transference.
Oh, and one more thing. I think that the Entrati (mother and the rest) will be the ones to introduce us to the Duviri Paradox. When completing the Isolation Vault missions, there's a mirror in the vault in which when you look through it, you can see the void worm. The same void worm you saw in the Duviri trailer. In fact on Xbox, there's a bug in which when you use Transference with Excalibur Umbra within the Entrati ruins, just near the Isolation vault, you sink into empty space in which you will find a 3D void model and near the void, you will see the Void worm. Very interesting.
I said it many times and everyone just laughed and said hahah cool but no way... I always looked at void man as some kind of "god" just having a fun game with everything, like "hmm wonder what if I move this pawn here, what will happen... oooo fun fun lets try it out" kind of thing. But something could have gone wrong with us or someone along the way could be he got to coky and gave to much and is trying to make everyone clean up his mess so we don't become a treat for him or something. Regardless, great video and theory man its always a pleasure to watch your take on things, I have similar ideas and because the lore is one of my favorite if not the one thing that I love the most about this game, and because I thing DE doesn't push the lore as much as they should (btw almost dropped the game and a friend pushed me to play war within, and you can guess the rest) having your videos really helps fill that "void" hahah get it ...no, ok you get the point :) keep it up and have a good one!
You do the same and keep an eye out for the next part!
I want to side with The Man In The Wall, my Neutral Evil mercenary Tenno wouldnt think twice about siding with void satan for power and it would be awesome if choosing to dide with him was an option. It would be even cooler if he replaced the Lotus as your mission narrator from then on if you did.
I don't even need the power my Man is just really cool and I find him a lovely addition to my genocidal avatar xD
I love all your theories, even if there’s the possibility you’re giving DE more credit than they maybe deserve lol
Could grandpa be a puppet master?I like the way your theory goes.I always thought there is someone/something pulling the strings in the background but couldn't pinpoint .Orokin as immortal race on one side,void and man in the wall on another or is it entangled?Can't wait for part 2 :)
your voice at the end when u said "take care everyone" really got me trippin
I'm starting to think that Margulis/Natah/Lotus have always been the same person.
I agree with you.
@@TheDsIEGE They are distinctly different people who respond differently than each other- unless Margulis was somehow spared or given kuva before her “Death”. Why? Because I think the one that came after her death is the one that got hacked and that one distinctly was far more aggressive than the original. Also the original got blinded and on the PC you can wiggle the camera sideways when Lotus takes off her helmet so you can actually see her eyes.
@@daydreamdirty you can? I never noticed.. What did you see?
in my little attention span and inability to go ddoper in the lore of things i always thought they are the same person. just different names because they all lived ages and changed over time. something like that or just nicknames
My current theory is that Ballas always intended to overthrow the Orokin to some extent. That would explain why he was so adamant about using Sentients to help colonize other solar systems. Margulis may have always been a Sentient and could have been there just to take the fall if the higher ups found out the plan. Since the Sentient were not particularly advanced in their early days, she might not have even know what she was, and the hive mind signal could have had little to no influence until the Orokin lost control of the Sentients.
I am open to criticism, there are probably a ton of plot points I've overlooked.
The Tenno's eyes when they attack Erra took me by surprise! I can't wait to see the follow-up!!
If this is like a poem there is a literal and deeper meaning we only focus on the deeper meaning literally there is a man in the wall we just need to find out where the wall is or what the wall is.
I thought it the voice and eye change in ballas during the sacrifice were due to the transference bolt, and to symbolize when he had used it to communicate. As when our operator is possessed by the man in the wall our eyes turn reddish not yellow.
Wow this is fantastic!
If we assume that the man in the wall is what gave the Tenno their powers, does that explain why only the kids were spared from the effects that the void had on the minds of the adults? Like how one would strike a deal with the devil? What would the price be? Did "he" choose the kids because it would make it easier to influence them to go down a specific path?
Could this entity be the void itself? Maybe its agenda is to spread the void?
These videos raises so many questions! They are very stimulating. Thank you
I think the voice in the wall is us from the future.
"My, my, Lotus, you make a fine villain." Alad V knew before all of us lol
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First off, this is another Excellent video Siege. I Love ❤️ this one as well as all of your videos- even the ones from 3 years ago. Now, Siege, what are the clues that we know about? Can we all list them here? (Yes I’m talking to you the Viewer too) Here is what I know and theorize to be.
1- The Eyes: The eyes look different in the flashbacks than in reality. Gold for Ballas, Red for Hunhow and Black for the Man in the Wall- same with black auras that was shown in some of the missions and flashbacks. I think there is a big point to be made because Hunhow’s conscience is still alive despite his body being dead and things only changed when his body was dug up from the tomb when his “daughter” rediscovered it. She then went “into hiding” and the new character Teshin popped up (conveniently too I might add) to help aid the player when the Lotus disappeared for a short while. My theory is that Hunhow is possibly the one who deliberately hacked Lotus to make her “be” her daughter Natah once more rather than Margulis. His attempt to deliberately take over Cephalon Suda proves that this is quite possible- but I suspect only with synthetics and nonorganic life.
2- The Man in the Wall so far has made contact through the users bodies but only through brief periods of times (possibly by force but likely through a contract of some kind). Something of interest to note is that when you encounter the being on your craft not only does it look like you but I believe it is to be confirmed that your character is not in the seat whenever “he” is around- meaning he has limited possession of the body you- we currently control. This is important because since both the man in the wall and the tenno are involved directly by the Void, that means whatever tampers with our connection indirectly interferes with our connection to each other. Also the fact that the man in the wall uses “kiddo” means he knows us personally- somehow- and I think he is either directly keeping us alive somehow or he is apart of the player somehow. Kiddo itself is a word I’ve only ever heard of uncles and fathers use btw.
3- Theres more to Kuva that’s being hidden. Compare it to how it’s needed to roll rivens to the 3 orokin who swapped bodies in that one Halloween story and then see how the Queens use the kuva. Hell even the kuva liches have a connection with it but that’s never fully explained either. Interesting note- there is only a connection to Kuva to the operator and not the frames which Helminth cares for- and adores will calling the Operator a “Demon”. Demons are known to trick, deceive and to cause mayhem when associated outside of spiritual beings, realms and religious aspects. Also they are known to make contracts and to care about strength while despising weakness. Further note, they try to break what they can and as you can hear over the radio in the orbiter from time to time you can hear grineer make complaints about the Tenno making a mess on board the ships and about “investigating”. Interesting stuff that’s worth listening too once in awhile.
4- Many call the operator a “Demon” or a “traitor”- so it’s my theory that when we aren’t even the Tenno as the game says we are but are entirely different beings. What supports this? Whenever you die you instantly respawn and when in missions, there’s a screen showing of your character floating in space. That always felt off or wrong somehow. Also to add to this, our character can be in space just fine outside of the Warframe and after all these years I honestly don’t think this is a bug but was deliberately put into those space missions.
5- So far the only orokin we’ve actually met are supposedly Ballas and the family on Deimos- (Still no idea why the hell DE flat out removed that ship that is now where Deimos is). I find it odd though that we couldn’t interact with Ballas at all in the mission- he wasn’t even protected or anything..... we just couldn’t hit him. This is of interest because I think it’s quite purposefully done to either keep the Orokin away or that great lengths were taken to show that they were mostly killed off. The only odd thing about that is they supposedly have mastery over death..... so that seems unlikely- but supposedly that’s the answer we have to accept.
6- The white tendrils in the orbiter I believe are directly related or tied to the Void- but this isn’t confirmed I think. The finger as the engine I find odd though- but to a degree it does make sense too. I hope DE gives more of an explanation to this and how it works. If you take into calculation the other games, like Mass Effect, dead space (specifically the markers) and Halo, the sentients there could hack and convert non organics (except it is both organics and non organics in Mass Effect).
7- The stalker always pops up when we defeat a boss- and I have to ask, who repairs his frame? He is a Warframe too- just not one the tenno can control. He was allied with Hunhow and it’s quite possible he still is- but there’s only a little bit of evidence of Hunhow possibly controlling the Stalker but that still leaves much to be explained with his entrance, exit and how his suit gets fixed- and how his weapons get replaced when we defeat him and “take” what he’s dropped.
You know, this is a good way to look at it, and this is a little off topic, but I got to thinking the other day. We haven’t seen any orokin, up until the war within, i.e. the Elder grineer queen. After that, we didn’t see anything until ballas showed up, then we got the entrati family, and then even the glassmaker. We all thought the orokin were all long gone but we’re starting to see more and more. I’m wondering if (say we succeed in the new war and kill all the sentient forces) that the sentients go back to minuscule appearances such as the vomvolysts, and the eidolons searching through the night. What if all the orokin were in hiding this whole time. Similar to the glass maker and are just waiting for the Tenno to finish the job so they can make their grand return?
And this looks to be the point of warframe multiverse in Planes of Duviri.
This came out two months ago, why does it feel like I saw this last year?
the man in the wall its like hes trying to tell us something but the peapol around us get him out of us
also ballas' change in stature at the end of the latest cutscene where erra throws natah onto the throne is very strange for someone there against his will as if he was putting on an act up until that moment, perhaps working with erra the entire time to manipulate us and the lotus into the new war
Love your videos. Never moss one. When can we expect netx one?
The next few days. I just want to make sure when I present these videos I've done my research.
@@TheDsIEGE and that’s why we love each and every video.
Every time he post a theory I can't wait to see this in the game since its so logical
such a good video
I think on the Lotus being okay with Ballas contacting the Tenno like that in the new war, it's worth noting the message she sent out during Operation Orphix Venom of "I'm dying". It's likely that whatever Erra's doing to her is killing her, so that would make her more likely to be willing to work with the Tenno to save herself.
its dope how you make good fashion using only 3 colors (and their shades)
The man in the wall "Zariman ten zero" The Day the Tenno where found... cursed by the void when we lost a part of are self to the void to "gain power you must give something up"
Ballas' eye and voice change are implicitly when he decides to speak privately with Umbra through the transference bolt he's implanted into Umbra
Nice theory. Makes me wonder if the older version of ourselves we saw in the duveri paradox trailer has anything to do with it. A part of us removed to make room for the void powers and by extension the man in the wall and whether anyone else is similarly affected like lotus/natah
Hmmm... You could be on to something there.
@@TheDsIEGE this is what your theories do, shining a light on parts of the lore and looking at it from a certain point of view
well, it looks like I've done my job then!
As an aside just to throw a machete into your theory workshop i feel like I should mention oro here. Short version is that tenno have it and makes them functionally if not fully immortal and its basically made/received by overexposure to the void.
However Teshin apparently says in one of conclave modes that some people other the tenno have them. Beyond that the sentients have an imperfect oro. Kuva is also a byproduct of oro and the source of orokin continuity. So thats numerous possible ways for the man in the wall to maybe influence numerous people
This is my theory as well. Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed.
Heavy darkest dungeon vibes from that in-game dialogue
I was doing railjack the other day an the container down the back where the man in the wall talks to you. He said there is something watching us out there...
The man in the wall shows himself to us in our own body.
that is a nice looking zaw you got there.
We owe him(it?) for helping us during the Zariman Ten-Zero incident. I'm guessing he(it?) gave us the void connection/power that we used to fight off the parents that had all gone insane(only the children avoided that because the childish innocence didn't lead us to see/hear/experience what the adults did) during the void jump.
I always assumed the glowing eyes was him using the transference bolt to speak directly to Umbra...
I though the man in the wall was freed from rell's chains after the chains of harrow quest. Wasn't that the purpose of what rell subject himself to? But I also agree that the man in the wall may have had a part in the erra cinematic, but maybe not, even.
God I love your lore, sadly I dont think DE think that far. I must admit, I logged back in the game because of your lore. I did redo some quest to validate what you said and agree. Guilty pleasure I guess. Stay safe and thanks for upload...
If I can rekindle even a tiny bit of love for the game, then I feel that's a job well done. You could be right about DE but I gotta say there is one thing in particular I didn't reveal in this video that they have been doing for a while that... if it's not intentional, they sure got damn lucky, lol. I don't want to spoil it tho. Anyway, I'm just glad you are enjoying the content!
@@TheDsIEGE Looking forward to the next upload... I still think DE should hire you for lore value. Anyway, thanks for your hard work and yes you got me to log back in the game... I appreciate your content and please stay safe.
I really think the entire story was thought out years ago and it's just taking a long time to get it all out the way they want to. Too many things tie together for me to believe they're just making it up as they go along. I assume some things get altered a bit depending on feedback, but I think the major story line was well developed years ago.