TL;Dr I now can't decide between an MR or a GSR. I have a '12 Lancer Ralliart. I love it. Still on my first transmission. Thank the heavens it hasn't shattered on me. My biggest gripe? I am driving an awesome vehicle with a hand grenade for a transmission. The Ralliart is sitting at 160k miles. I am looking into getting an EvoX. Im trying to steer clear from the MR because the SST spooks me especially the cost of the diaqueen SSTF-1 fluid ($475 for 4L two cans!!!). However despite the sst being anxiety inducing it is hella quick. I can go to Kozmic and get the $7k overhaul and lessen the chance of my SST bricking itself then FBO, however; the sensible side of me says get a GSR save yourself a headache and use the $7k for FBO, suspension, wheels and tires. Watching your video about MR's has now put me in between a rock and a hard place. You have gained a subscriber from this one vid and I am going to watch more vids about your Evo opinions coz this is really helpful! Cheers!
I think you should also mention what it takes to get an SST repaired on rebuilt. For instance there are a hand full of places that can actually properly repair or rebuild them and the average cost before getting it shipped out. All the ralliart and MR owners Ive spoken to said keep at least 3K in reserve.
It used to be 10k for a replacement unit. At least now you can get a rebuild + better clutches for a fraction of the cost. Plenty options now vs when the trans debuted
@@HoodBatman That is very true it just sucks that there are only a few specialty shops that are properly skilled in working on the SST which adds removal and shipping to that rebuild cost.
My question is how does the SST MR's hold up to people that drive normal & dont try to bolt-on an extra 200HP or launch the poor thing at every stoplight?
Diego Moncada how so only reason I kinda want an mr is because the mr are sooooo much cheaper than the gsr also I wouldn’t mind and mr because I honestly won’t be modding the evo until I finish paying it off so it would be a few years. But idk
@@stevealexx I just liked the sst better, once u tune it it shifts so fast is amazing, Im in full bolt ons pushing close to 400whp for 8 years now and car still strong. On my first evo x gsr the clutch lasted me 2 weeks, the oem clutch sucks, plus the manual always felt like it was missing a gear specially on the hwy. I drove a lambo huracan and i felt like my evo shift just as fast.
@@stevealexx if u test an mr make sure u put it in super sport mode so it can shift faster and if is stock keep in mind once u tune it it will be way faster.
To add to your comments, RE: driveability... 6 gears allows for lower RPMs between shifts, making everyday driving a little more comfortable. (less noise) But, also, shifting though 6 gears AND staying in boost the whole time makes for a much more fun experience! (note... no boost lag, need for Rev match, brake boosting, etc.) Consider that 1st gear is actually a rather long gear in the MR. Layman's: 1st is actually a DRIVING gear if you want it to be. This alone for folks who come from DSM world makes the MR a wonder to drive. Comment on looks. Though purely superficial, the MR has the ability to make your shitbox look a little more premium. HIDs standard, chrome window trim, cup holder folding lid, heated seats, and the option for full-on leather Recaros (not half-and-half like that which you get in the GSR PP and JDM/CADM/AUDM/GB FEs. ) They really do retain value better than the GSR. I second and third on SST maintenance. It might cost more, but it's not that different from servicing an automatic. (You just want to make sure it's done by a true expert on the Getrag DCT470.) (And if you're from Houston... You're in luck. Hint-hint)
@@willsanders187 LOL, no, but I replaced the open one in the FE with one that has a lid 😁 Glad you enjoyed that. Honestly, I love both of em as it seems a 5-speed and DCT have different purposes. They behave very different thanks solely to the transmission. But, on the "Foo Foo" appeal, there is value in getting the additions that come with the more "expensive" trim. With aesthetic appeal, I knew it doesn't make much of a difference in how the cars drive. But I do notice that when I pull up next to another Evo and it's a GSR, having chrome this or color-keyed that, it adds to the idea that you have a better optioned car overall. And it shows just the same when you pull up next to an Audi. My FE is a garage queen, but I've done everything I can to give it the premium treatment that an MR has. Because when it comes time to appraise, I expect that it'll retain a better value with the aesthetics of a premium trim, than one that isn't. Make sense?
Keeping your car in good condition always makes sense! Sadly, Evos are a "cheaper" car and young people (me @ 20) just can't maintain them the way they should be
Hey Will I have a 2010 SE very nice car but wife don’t like the feel of missing the 3rd pedal and shifting it’s a mind thing lol, you should also mention the SST oil maintenance something people should consider if getting a MR or SE.
Here’s my question tho why downgrade to a gsr if you wanna mid after driving a mr for a while ? I mean if you have a passion for the car you might as well use the better equipped car and take your time with it to mod it out and make the alterations needed ?
Yeah thats true but theyre just so touchy, I made 27 hour road trip with my GSR with no hiccups, but I'd be iffy on taking my friends MR which is on its 2nd trans at only 54k
Since you have owned an evo x mr what all are the maintenance you would recommend? Doing and at what there’s not many videos on them and I just bought one
Have you tested both GSR vs MR on a rolling straight line (making the same power) to say that? Or even stock vs stock? I can understand 0-60 from a Dig being faster, and going around a circuit slightly faster because you eliminate a lot of shit time & potential driver error. But I’ve compared between a few MR’s when I was Stock. And the GSR pulls over the MR in the straights easily. Even now tuned vs. Curious if you can post some roller runs at a track or something to show these kinda things as you say!
@@evoxerxes2938 Once the car up and running again I plan on it. I do not personally like YouTubing myself on MODs but I'll definitely try to upload some GoPro Car stuff.
technically if you want the clutch packs to last longer, you want to drive it in SS manual. Normal mode runs down the clutches by riding them longer. same as is you have a multi puck / multi plate clutch on a standard M/T, you ride the clutch longer to make the engagement smoother. But as a result, you run them down quicker. Make sense?
I drive in normal when I am in traffic. Which is all the time in West L.A. When i go to the canyons, I go for sport mode. Love my SST fun. I have 46,000 mi.on a 2011 MR. And I have not had any problems. Properly because it is stock.😀 I must say that I am very impressed with the MR. I thought it was also a nicer car than the GSR. Smoother ride, not as much road noise ,ect. I did go for the GSR rotters when I had to change them. Difference about $3600. Crazy. Just my thought. Hope this helps.
Well I'm gonna add like a new dv turn up the boost exhaust other than not much cause I just want it to be a bit more than stock without really ruining the integrity
@@willsanders187 Yes I realized after I'd written it. That was the most disappointing thing about getting an FE was the lack of recaros. Especially after seeing that both Canadian and Japanese versions were available with them
Umm... no. Unless you're NOT from the US or don't have a USDM FE, you don't have all the goodies. USDM FEs have Enkeis. And though they have Bilsteins, I honestly don't recall if they have 2-pc rotors. But, what I do know for sure is that they don't have Recaros (biggest let-down, really), no sub, and none of the premium features you'd normally find in an MR. Else, if you want all of those (and a moonroof to boot)... go find one from overseas. Edit: crap, sorry, Will already responded with the same.
never have i ever wanted to be in a automatic. if you're going to buy a "fun fast race car" you get a manual. who cares about sst. go manual or go home
SST is quick it will out shift a 5 speed. There are 1000hp SST’s only part sucks is cost when they go. I am all about manual but it is hard to compete with SST.
Hilarious. Evo X MR better than the GSR. Bulletproof manual transmission able of supporting 800hp+ vs a ticking timebomb capable of supporting no more than 400hp without issues.
Lmfao the 5 speed is not bulletproof, it also sits much higher in rpm range on the freeway.. sold my gsr due to constant issues with the trans. Bought an Mr with a trans built by kozmic and it's flawless.. also don't have to deal with high rpm freeway cruising.
sanders my hyundai kona with non turbo auto trans can be switch to manual mode also but end of the day it's a still an auto. Overall. No fun pedal no shift pattern it's an auto
@@LancerXDS you dont get it. Dual clutches are automatic manuals with automatic mode being an option. Not vice versa. Dont compare that with a conventional auto with torque converter that dont have actually gears or full manual mode.
@@octaviangeorge5455 end of the day, its still an automatic. does have a clutch pedal, shift lever? its therefor classify in the auto industry as an automatic. hell if you look up cars.com for an 2014 lancer evo mr, it says automatic
1st: Its not 400Hp, Its 400Tq. 2nd: I have had E85 for 60K. 3rd I went 35-40K roughly about 365HP/TQ on Mustang and then Street/Dyno Would be 425HP/425TQ we do not know why they stayed the same but that how it is. I took care of it, changed fluids. its lasted well longer then it should have.
Also the interior of a MR looks better than most GSRs that looks like the standard lancers. Leather recaros, navi system and subwoofer
In the X’s I 100% agree
Bra glad I found your channel. I 😅 was contemplating on getting an MR or GSR already have two manual cars definitely put me a ease!
This dude is such a great TH-camr
One of my favorite matterba fact 💯
Real down to earth 💯👌
TL;Dr I now can't decide between an MR or a GSR.
I have a '12 Lancer Ralliart. I love it. Still on my first transmission. Thank the heavens it hasn't shattered on me. My biggest gripe? I am driving an awesome vehicle with a hand grenade for a transmission. The Ralliart is sitting at 160k miles. I am looking into getting an EvoX. Im trying to steer clear from the MR because the SST spooks me especially the cost of the diaqueen SSTF-1 fluid ($475 for 4L two cans!!!). However despite the sst being anxiety inducing it is hella quick. I can go to Kozmic and get the $7k overhaul and lessen the chance of my SST bricking itself then FBO, however; the sensible side of me says get a GSR save yourself a headache and use the $7k for FBO, suspension, wheels and tires. Watching your video about MR's has now put me in between a rock and a hard place. You have gained a subscriber from this one vid and I am going to watch more vids about your Evo opinions coz this is really helpful! Cheers!
I think you should also mention what it takes to get an SST repaired on rebuilt. For instance there are a hand full of places that can actually properly repair or rebuild them and the average cost before getting it shipped out. All the ralliart and MR owners Ive spoken to said keep at least 3K in reserve.
While the trans is definitely not cheap I think it’s a bit overblown on the internet
It used to be 10k for a replacement unit. At least now you can get a rebuild + better clutches for a fraction of the cost. Plenty options now vs when the trans debuted
@@HoodBatman That is very true it just sucks that there are only a few specialty shops that are properly skilled in working on the SST which adds removal and shipping to that rebuild cost.
My question is how does the SST MR's hold up to people that drive normal & dont try to bolt-on an extra 200HP or launch the poor thing at every stoplight?
Should be just fone
You should’ve told that lady I’m minding my business😂
haha for real
I've owned both mr and gsr, and I agree with the mr being better.
Diego Moncada how so only reason I kinda want an mr is because the mr are sooooo much cheaper than the gsr also I wouldn’t mind and mr because I honestly won’t be modding the evo until I finish paying it off so it would be a few years. But idk
@@stevealexx I just liked the sst better, once u tune it it shifts so fast is amazing, Im in full bolt ons pushing close to 400whp for 8 years now and car still strong. On my first evo x gsr the clutch lasted me 2 weeks, the oem clutch sucks, plus the manual always felt like it was missing a gear specially on the hwy. I drove a lambo huracan and i felt like my evo shift just as fast.
Diego Moncada wow thanks appreciate Im going to test drive one hopefully I enjoy it!
@@stevealexx if u test an mr make sure u put it in super sport mode so it can shift faster and if is stock keep in mind once u tune it it will be way faster.
Diego Moncada so change it to super sport and use the paddle shifters ?
To add to your comments, RE: driveability...
6 gears allows for lower RPMs between shifts, making everyday driving a little more comfortable. (less noise) But, also, shifting though 6 gears AND staying in boost the whole time makes for a much more fun experience! (note... no boost lag, need for Rev match, brake boosting, etc.)
Consider that 1st gear is actually a rather long gear in the MR. Layman's: 1st is actually a DRIVING gear if you want it to be. This alone for folks who come from DSM world makes the MR a wonder to drive.
Comment on looks. Though purely superficial, the MR has the ability to make your shitbox look a little more premium. HIDs standard, chrome window trim, cup holder folding lid, heated seats, and the option for full-on leather Recaros (not half-and-half like that which you get in the GSR PP and JDM/CADM/AUDM/GB FEs. )
They really do retain value better than the GSR.
I second and third on SST maintenance. It might cost more, but it's not that different from servicing an automatic. (You just want to make sure it's done by a true expert on the Getrag DCT470.)
(And if you're from Houston... You're in luck. Hint-hint)
Hahaha did you use a cup holder cover as a reason to get a MR!? That’s freaking awesome I love it
@@willsanders187 LOL, no, but I replaced the open one in the FE with one that has a lid 😁 Glad you enjoyed that.
Honestly, I love both of em as it seems a 5-speed and DCT have different purposes. They behave very different thanks solely to the transmission.
But, on the "Foo Foo" appeal, there is value in getting the additions that come with the more "expensive" trim.
With aesthetic appeal, I knew it doesn't make much of a difference in how the cars drive. But I do notice that when I pull up next to another Evo and it's a GSR, having chrome this or color-keyed that, it adds to the idea that you have a better optioned car overall. And it shows just the same when you pull up next to an Audi.
My FE is a garage queen, but I've done everything I can to give it the premium treatment that an MR has. Because when it comes time to appraise, I expect that it'll retain a better value with the aesthetics of a premium trim, than one that isn't. Make sense?
Keeping your car in good condition always makes sense! Sadly, Evos are a "cheaper" car and young people (me @ 20) just can't maintain them the way they should be
😂😁👍 I have MR. I FULL Sent. Trans Blew Up. Now we are doing an upgrade to see where we can push it next. ☻😈😉🌽
Hahah onto bigger and better
What would you consider are a good price and a fair price for a 2013 MR with 56k miles on it. 1 owner???
Interior MR is better but if you want the Evo's soul intact, get the GSR
"What are you doing?"
Minding my business...
Hahah I know
ppl noisy as fk.
I can live with no leather seats and bbs wheels. But I can not live with an automatic... My opinion
It’s not an automatic
@@willsanders187 MR or automatic what you mean....
Not an automatic! I currently own an FK8 and a DE5...I honestly enjoy driving my EVO X //MR more! 💪
Hey Will I have a 2010 SE very nice car but wife don’t like the feel of missing the 3rd pedal and shifting it’s a mind thing lol, you should also mention the SST oil maintenance something people should consider if getting a MR or SE.
Ha my wife didn’t care for the SST either. Oil maintenance is a good point
95% today are modded.
Here’s my question tho why downgrade to a gsr if you wanna mid after driving a mr for a while ? I mean if you have a passion for the car you might as well use the better equipped car and take your time with it to mod it out and make the alterations needed ?
GSR isn't a down grade more like just different.
MR are a blast to drive but that trans is made of glass and unreliable as hell when compared to a GSR
I think there’s a lot of misinformation on the SST unfortunately
Yeah thats true but theyre just so touchy, I made 27 hour road trip with my GSR with no hiccups, but I'd be iffy on taking my friends MR which is on its 2nd trans at only 54k
Since you have owned an evo x mr what all are the maintenance you would recommend? Doing and at what there’s not many videos on them and I just bought one
I would just follow the guide Mitsubishi put out. If your unsure if previous owners did something then just assume they didn’t
Have you tested both GSR vs MR on a rolling straight line (making the same power) to say that? Or even stock vs stock? I can understand 0-60 from a Dig being faster, and going around a circuit slightly faster because you eliminate a lot of shit time & potential driver error. But I’ve compared between a few MR’s when I was Stock. And the GSR pulls over the MR in the straights easily. Even now tuned vs. Curious if you can post some roller runs at a track or something to show these kinda things as you say!
I wish I had some for you, My MR vs a GSR with same Mods I usually win. Espically when I have boost loading and I send it.
Kyle McErlean Strange. But I guess I’ll have to take your word for it. You should get some so you can show it too when you say these kinda things!
Same power levels a dual clutch will always win. The SST is beyond fast.
@@evoxerxes2938 Once the car up and running again I plan on it. I do not personally like YouTubing myself on MODs but I'll definitely try to upload some GoPro Car stuff.
So is it best to drive sst in manual mode under normal drive and if so why?
Yes and in super sport. Harder shifts are actually better. Softer shifts mean it’s slipping more. It’s counterintuitive I know
technically if you want the clutch packs to last longer, you want to drive it in SS manual. Normal mode runs down the clutches by riding them longer. same as is you have a multi puck / multi plate clutch on a standard M/T, you ride the clutch longer to make the engagement smoother. But as a result, you run them down quicker.
Make sense?
I drive in normal when I am in traffic. Which is all the time in West L.A. When i go to the canyons, I go for sport mode. Love my SST fun. I have 46,000 mi.on a 2011 MR. And I have not had any problems. Properly because it is stock.😀 I must say that I am very impressed with the MR. I thought it was also a nicer car than the GSR. Smoother ride, not as much road noise ,ect. I did go for the GSR rotters when I had to change them. Difference about $3600. Crazy. Just my thought. Hope this helps.
Well I'm gonna add like a new dv turn up the boost exhaust other than not much cause I just want it to be a bit more than stock without really ruining the integrity
The 2015 Final Edition comes with Bilstein dampers, BBS wheels and two-piece rotors stock on the GSR
The FE isn’t as common though but an alternative I suppose minus the missing Recaros. Also, the FE still has Enkei wheels
@@willsanders187 Yes I realized after I'd written it. That was the most disappointing thing about getting an FE was the lack of recaros. Especially after seeing that both Canadian and Japanese versions were available with them
Umm... no. Unless you're NOT from the US or don't have a USDM FE, you don't have all the goodies. USDM FEs have Enkeis. And though they have Bilsteins, I honestly don't recall if they have 2-pc rotors. But, what I do know for sure is that they don't have Recaros (biggest let-down, really), no sub, and none of the premium features you'd normally find in an MR.
Else, if you want all of those (and a moonroof to boot)... go find one from overseas.
Edit: crap, sorry, Will already responded with the same.
Yeah we got screwed
Haha no worries
If you stillneed the trunk stuff if you make the drive to ma you can have any parts you need from the trunk
never have i ever wanted to be in a automatic. if you're going to buy a "fun fast race car" you get a manual. who cares about sst. go manual or go home
SST is quick it will out shift a 5 speed. There are 1000hp SST’s only part sucks is cost when they go. I am all about manual but it is hard to compete with SST.
th-cam.com/video/nECeJtd3jd8/w-d-xo.html good example
I have a 2014 Mitsubishi Evolution X //MR with only 4k Miles...make me an offer and it's your IF...must buy all.the extras I bought. Thanks 👍😉
The MRs transmission is a deal breaker, GSR all the way.
I just used plywood. I was able to screw my methanol tank to it, battery, and intercooler spray
Didn't list any positives of GSR
are you driving a Toyota corolla in this video?
I don’t think so can’t remember
Hilarious. Evo X MR better than the GSR. Bulletproof manual transmission able of supporting 800hp+ vs a ticking timebomb capable of supporting no more than 400hp without issues.
Well most people will never mod above 400 let alone 800. SST builds are possible these days anyway
Lmfao the 5 speed is not bulletproof, it also sits much higher in rpm range on the freeway.. sold my gsr due to constant issues with the trans. Bought an Mr with a trans built by kozmic and it's flawless.. also don't have to deal with high rpm freeway cruising.
You only get the MR because you dont want to shift gears no more or cant shift use the fun pedal.
You still shift an MR...
sanders my hyundai kona with non turbo auto trans can be switch to manual mode also but end of the day it's a still an auto. Overall. No fun pedal no shift pattern it's an auto
@@LancerXDS you dont get it. Dual clutches are automatic manuals with automatic mode being an option. Not vice versa. Dont compare that with a conventional auto with torque converter that dont have actually gears or full manual mode.
@@octaviangeorge5455 end of the day, its still an automatic. does have a clutch pedal, shift lever? its therefor classify in the auto industry as an automatic. hell if you look up cars.com for an 2014 lancer evo mr, it says automatic
@@LancerXDS only ignorants or novices call it automatic. Do you call the smg form the m3 automatic too?
You just made the gsr sound more superior sounds like the Mr if for family ppl😂
Dont quote me but I think a stock ralliart Can beat a stock gsr at the track and it’s half the price
I won't quote you lol
Wait so.. MR's do not have manual transmissions? since when? LOL
Thats only for Evo 10 MR, they have dual clutch transmissions, every other evo was a traditional manual
Since 2008 lol
Don’t know but my 2015 Evo x Mr is 5 spd manual
Mr Is BeTtEr ThAn ThE gSr
Lol both are great
Everyone mods evo x’s lol. But SST can handle with so many rebuild kits out there.
So the better car for modding is the gsr right?
I’ve always saw gsrs that look way better than Mrs.
SST transmission is garbage. It's not if it's going to break, but WHEN.
I would strongly disagree with this.
How does that 5th gear gas mileage treat you gsr fan boys on the highway ? ;p
if your buying an evo for the reasons u mentioned an mr is better then gsr. dont buy an evo
yuhhhhh
Bro... they handle the same. Tf that doesn’t make a difference and if you’re saying it’s faster bro evo x mr need a new tranny after 400 hp 😂😂
We're comparing stock to stock
1st: Its not 400Hp, Its 400Tq. 2nd: I have had E85 for 60K. 3rd I went 35-40K roughly about 365HP/TQ on Mustang and then Street/Dyno Would be 425HP/425TQ we do not know why they stayed the same but that how it is. I took care of it, changed fluids. its lasted well longer then it should have.
Mr is best
Yeah nahh I rather have a GSR
Lol!!! automatic of manual??? HAHA MAYBE FOR MY WIFE! . I LIKE TO SHIFTTTT. STANDARD 4ME
One weird video hahahahah
Thanks...
Advocating for an auto transmission.. you are no man! Lol
auto and dual clutch are not the same idc what anyone says lol
will sanders and there’s a lot of these fruitloop pussies out here that try to tell me that they are. Lmao.
@@iHadWaterForDinner it's his opinion.. no need to be so rude about it.
@@Enpatsu393 you taught me whats up
R3dloh so your man hood is based on you driving a manual car? Lol how much do you lift ?
MOST DEF NOT AN MR THE MR'S ARE AUTOMATICS THE GSR IS MANUAL AUTOMATICS ARE FOR GIRLS IS THIS CLICK BAIT LOL
Incorrect
@@willsanders187 lol
You're dumb lmao