LOOK 785 Huez vs Time Alp D'Huez - X (2024)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- The age of the general purpose road bike is here (again). Maybe we call it the Sportive Bike, the Grand Fondo Bike, or the Club bike. Whatever you call it this category it is clear these bikes are not traditional race bikes, but nor do they cleanly fit in to the Endurance, Climbing or Entry level category.
I take two high quality examples for a ride to discover how broad this spectrum can be and see if we can navigate through it. The LOOK 785 Huez probably sits on the racier end of this spectrum. You can learn more about it here:
• The Inbetweener Road B...
The Time Alp D'Huez-X is much further towards the endurance and touring end of things. It's longer wheelbase, comfortable chassis and wider tyre clearance adds weight, but also adds oodles of confidence and comfort. See what I had to say about the Time ADHX • Ride Review - Time ADHX
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I got ADHX early this year and replaced my 2021 TCR with it. It felt like a massive upgrade to me. I knew what I want. A stiff racing bike, which can also take 35+ mm tires for lightweight gravel. I.e. a truly one-bike-do-it-all (if such ever exists). When it's very cold or very hot outside, being able to drive on the forest roads seems like a great capability and ADHX truly delivers there. I always thought that marketing ADHX as a gravel bike was a stretch on both ends. Much more racy and not really up to modern gravel standards (the latter make little sense to me, I much prefer XC bike over gravel bike whenever it gets too rough for ~40mm tires). The rebranding as Alpe d'Huez X does a fair job. The geometry changes are minuscule
Basically only the XS has changed geometry, all the other sizes are the same except for shorter chain stays
Beautiful bikes! One day, when I’m fitter, have three years of solid riding and saving I will be coming to you for one of those beautiful machines.
Love it that my ‘23 TIME ADHX is still my “one bike (two wheelsets, road & gravel) to rule them all” bike… but *very* curious to see the new Scylon, particularly interested in what weight a typical build will come in at. Regarding the comment about how smooth these bikes ride, you really do need to hop on one to believe it. It ain’t marketing, they’re kinda freaky-smooth (almost a prosthetic for my 61 year old spine).
Basically, something like a fast endurance bike. I have a custom road bike that I think could be described like that - it's a 2007 bike, so this is before the genesis of the category. It's comfortable, the stack/reach isn't not too aggressive, but the steering geometry is in the typical range for performance road bikes (I believe about 58mm trail with 28mm tires). I take it on fast group rides and on long solo rides. I guess I would view performance to endurance to all-road bike as a spectrum, and in principle a bike anywhere on that spectrum could make sense. A lot of ex-racers would probably be drawn to fast endurance bikes, I have to imagine.
Amazing video, as always. I did not know about that Time Huez X frame and omg that looks like a perfect bike for me, even geometry looks perfect for my fit. One day, one day I will buy that Time 😉😉.
I was very happy to hear that Time started producing an Alpe d'Huez rim brake frame, but not quite enough to spend the money. Maybe I wouldn't be able to resist so much if there was a ADH-X rim brake
Thanks for the reviews on Look and Time… they are very interesting!
In the past I have had two TIME VXRS bikes which were Uber responsive .. and also a VRS Fluidity - which felt a bit heavier, less responsive but ooh so smooth.
About 2 years ago I sold the Fluidity to my son in law and bought the LOOK 785 R/S HUEZ. I love it … it is the best climbing bike I have ever owned especially out of the saddle. The TIME VXRS is also an absolute legend of a bike … still find myself checking if any are on the market 😅
Great video. Informative to hear how the bikes ride. My heart is telling me to wait for the scylon, my head says endurance bike like these would be better 😂
I would also expect the Scylon to be around £5k for the frameset
Was sponsored by Time USA back in the early 90's. Wasn't able to swing a frameset, but I sure got lots of miles outta those Time Equipe shoes which were awwwwwwesommmmmme. TIme bike is on my bucket list...
The missing TIME link in your review would be TIME ADH 01 model, suer stiff climbing bike, with light frame.
That’s one bugger of a hill, nice review….i like my old Time Izone
i'm riding Conti 30s on my ADH-tight but works(and feels) great!
Have you checked the paintwork?
still no fender mounts - endurance and gravel bikes really need to have them.
It’s probably a good indication that these bikes are not trying to be an endurance bike. The LOOK 765 Optimum has fender mounts and its own fender. The Fluidity is the long awaited endurance model from Time.
Is this still real? I remember you telling me it was coming in 2024. As a rider of a '19 Fluidity I've been waiting with baited breath. I think you updated it to we'll see the Scion first then this dropped out of nowhere.
@@Jeromin I know right. I have seen pictures of the Scylon now. Still only drawings of the fluidity 😢
Pictures of the new Scylon 2025? 🤤 Were they issued to dealers only?
Look Were the First, Time were Second.
A Look Employer/ Director left Look and started Time.
His resignation letter: "look fellow employees, it's about time for me to move on"
@@Eirikkinserdal Hahahahaaaa
Much like Ferrari and Lamborghini
and took the daughter of the Look Director with him and married her....
I was going to buy a Look 765 gravel version because Time bikes are just helplessly out of my price range. Looks were sold out everywhere and I ended up finding a great deal for a Colnago g3-x. The geo even fits better for my taste. Can't wait to get my hands on it. Have you ridden one?
Not even see a Colnago G3x yet. quite rare, congrats.
Many riders don't want a low stack bike with a mound of spacers. Lots of the endurance bikes are suited for the vast majority of cyclists. I think Trek nailed this years ago when they had their H2 geometry. H1 was the race version, but the Madone was also offered in a more relaxed H2 geometry. I think the Emonda used an in-between H1.5, but it's now gone. That is why Time needs the Fluidity.
Ummm…. I think ‘vast majority’ is an overstatement. Certainly a notable percentage of riders struggle with hip mobility or restriction that requires a taller stack height than optimum for biomechanics. The old Emonda was good. The Domane seems to have become a salesman defacto for anyone overweight or old.
Ah the beef against the Domane again 🙄@Mapdec
@@darylcherry5505 it's such a miss sold bike
@Mapdec I can understand that to a point, but that doesn't make it a bad bike as its often portrayed to be?
Domane, Roubaix, Defy (albeit slightly more aggressive), Endurace etc all do the same job, weigh approx the same and have similar equipment at similar price points.
If a consumers aspirations are to chase Strava times and act like they are on a Tour De France stage, surely they should be able to tell a Domane isn't made for that.
It’s a complete misunderstanding to think that a higher front end is more comfortable. I used to suffer shoulder pain and it turned out it was because I have long arms, and didn’t have enough of a drop. I now ride a 13cm drop and I’m completely comfortable.
Looks like western NC there but I still wanna ride it
Bike update...here in France managed to find a 765 gravel for a bit more than half price 2k€...it's coming home...
j'ai le 765 Opti+ en format route 105 méca en Novembre dernier et c'est vraiment un plaisir à rouler. Je l'avais eu à 1600€ chez Serge Dutouron (;
I don't think I wound by a road bike that could not fit something like a 38mm tire. If Pogacar is riding nearly 32mm tires, I think that suggests non-rscing enthusiasts should be going even wider. I would love to know how the bike industry was making frames with clearance for only 23mm in some cases such a short time ago. How did they get the science so wrong? I say that as the owner of a rim brake bike (2018) (among others), which I retired in favor of my gravel bike with slicks, because it will only take a 25mm tire.
Yep Time need to catch up and cater for the wider road wheels and tyres. Hopefully adh25??
what do you mean? It takes a 38 tire
@christophertan3195 the adhx takes a 38 not the adh. The adhx is really a gravel bike not a dedicated road only bike. I would buy the adh tomorrow but 28s are the largest tyre size it will take, the look 785 will take up to a 32 which for me is what I'm after.
@@chazhoolio2336 the ADHX was intended to be a gravel bike, but it seems like Time designers didn't understand gravel riding at the time, because it really is just a road bike. With those specs, it is bound to perform better on tarmac than gravel. You'll see, in a few years tire makers will make their performance tires in 35-38mm sizes and they won't be any slower than current offerings. And then, every non-aero road bike will be just like the ADHX.
Honestly the 28mm are just fine. I'm on the adh23 with 28mm p zero tube type. Run at about 75-80 psi (I'm 74kg) and on my roads in Lancashire it's really smooth. Our roads are in a terrible condition too!
@@chazhoolio2336 then use the ADHX hardly any difference from the ADH.. the ADH is heavy AF might as well get the ADHX
I listened to a podcast by the new owner of Time, it sounded like they had a whole new factory come online this year and they hope to release the first products from that new factory towards the end of the year ... Mapdec do you know anything about that yet? Any sneak previews of what they have coming out?
Nothing I can talk about. Sorry.
@@Mapdec 😭 ok thanks!
He said in the podcast they are going to make a new Scylon and a new endurance
@@albertosantangelo6872 must be a different podcast than the one I listened to (marginal gains podcast). I don’t remember specific bikes being talked about.
@@rrluthi1 look for the gravel ride podcast with Karklins
How light could you build these bikes with dura ace group set and maybe another light option or two? I mainly ride in the mountains.
How much more expensive is the Time frame set compared to the Look? At these levels, budget can be the limiting factor 😮
About £1000 more for the Time.
How does this new 2024 adhx compares to the outgoing adhx and adh (28mm limited version) and something like Sworks Aethos in terms of 'roadiness'? Especially for hilly rides, trips to Alps, Mallorca etc. and some occasional sportives? Thinking of that outgoing ADHX mainly, but wondering what I would loose on the road vs. ADH and Aethos. Ascending than descenig wise mainly.
You gain weight (heavier) and gain stiffness over the arheos.
And in comparison to the road ADH 28 mm version? If putting ADHX on some fast 30mm slicks would there be a noticable difference?
@@mateuszrozycki-ml1jt come and try them.
I would love to, but it's 1000 km away and nothing available around the corner, hence curious of your opinion.
"not to be confused with the ADHX" ....?? Comparing the geometry charts of the 'older' ADHX and the newly released Alpe D'huez X, there are very minor differences. 1mm drop, 2mm chainstay length and wheelbase, but angles and tyre clearance are all the same, so for all intents and purposes the older ADHX and the 2024 Alpe d'huez X are the almost identical. However your characterisations of the two are quite different....in your video on the original ADHX you said that it WAS inviting you to 'get out the saddle and stamp on the pedals, swing your bike from side to side a little bit, put a little bit more effort in' (direct quote from that video @4:59) when climbing. But the new version does not, as you mention at 3:19 here? I don't see why they would be different? If anything, the minor changes to the new one would bring it ever so slightly closer to the ADH than the original ADHX and bring it closer to a climbing bike....but I doubt it's noticeable. I'd say the only noticeable difference is the fancy new colourshift paintjob.
Maybe the carbon differences? The ADHX just added Dyneema, but the new Alpe D'Huez X also has vectron...
Watching this video I also thought the exact same thing as you do and Time does not mention anything about a different carbon lay up. I am in the market for one of the two and the ADHX is on sale right now at 2700. If I were to choose the new Alpe 'd Huez X would the extra 1300 only be for the magnificent paintjob??
@@bobzuidema3560 I think so. But I think Paul meant to refer to the ADHX45 where he said ADHX. That is more of a gravel bike. Time would do well to make their model names a bit more distinctive so as to avoid confusion
If I’m on US gravel, I’m not standing up if I can help it. That’s asking for a face-full of rocks - especially when climbing.
Ah yes, "US Gravel". Just like wine or beer, there's only one type. Loose and chunky flint from Hawaii to Alaska to Kansas to Maine. More than twice the size of Europe in area, yet geologically uniform from sea to shining sea.
Hi, can we please have more info on the white saddle and white cranks please? 🙏
That was in the build vid, link in description. Saddle is Prologo dimension. Cranks are painted SRAM Force D1
I'm confused, are there two versions of the ADH-x/gravel (not including the ADH version that can accommodate 45mm tyres.)????
There is this one. The Alpe D’Huez-X. Then there is the outgoing ADHX that thought it was a gravel bike, and then there is the ADHX 45 that is a very good gravel bike with 45mm tyre clearance. Time are rubbish at naming bikes.
@@Mapdec if you have to be rubbish at one thing.... let it be names instead of BB's or anything else that truly matters lol.
Could you squeeze a 30mm in the time?
Easily
Very tough review this. Often, a super competent well built bike that can be a companion for life might lack an element that gives excitement. A review might make that sound boring. Tough to do...
I ride a 2021 Fluidity, which in my size (XXXS) has a geometry more like the Look 785 with somewhat aggressive endurance approach. This model looks too staid for my taste. By the time I need this kind of ride it will be time for an ebike anyway.
Overall, I think Time's new product model naming is needlessly confusing, as it's always been. This is one Time tradition that I wish they would let go.
Did they make fluidity into 2021 ? I thought 2019 which is what I ride was the last.
@@Jeromin I bought it new in 2021, and have seen it in a 2020/21 Time catalog. I think that was the last year.
@Mapdec , with the time bike models at this point , which bike would you pick as the closest to an endurance bike ?
None of them really, but if you forced me. The ADHX 45
@@Mapdec thanks for the information Paul ,I already have the adhx45 as a gravel bike , Wich I really like and love to ride , I think for me now it's the best to wait a little more for a real Time endurance bike .
Not to be confused. I’m confused. Is this Time different from a 2023 ADHX?
Yes. Slightly. Its a different carbon layup and a tiny geo tweek
@@Mapdec oh good. I’ve not used my 2023 model yet, waiting for a dry day or two…
My rim brake with proper geo 785 is a race…which is why I won’t be buying the new one. Also since when 410mm chain stays a climbing bike?! So basically we now have three types of road bike endurance, detuned, race and in the current market we only have 2 actual race bike Giant tcr and cervelo s5. The description you give of the handling…er yeah welcome to the party look and time have been like that for the last couple of decades. Expensive and detuned…FFS
@@cpt.slackbladder3187 car guys are much different than bike guys. Not so tightly strung and willing to appreciate a car without getting all judgy and entitled about their preferences. A car guy will admire a Porsche GT3 - all the while understanding that it’s way out of his price point.
@@petersouthernboy6327 the frame set is listed as 2490 euro. Very reasonable. Your comment means absolutely nothing.
Just a side point why would admire something out of your reach knowing it’s fundamentally flawed…
Just have to say it but who is General Huez?
Some bloke
How would compare the Time ADH-x to the top line Trek Domane?
Umm.. Longer, significantly stiffer and stable. The stack is fair bit lower though.
@@Mapdec I have the Dura-Ace Di-2 SLR Domane. My complaint is primarily: it rides like a truck, and somewhat heavy for high end carbon. I also ride a 1971 Bob Jackson 531 racing frame, Campy NR, with Rene Herse extra light lights w/TPU inner tubes. Love the ride, but heavy and only 5 speeds in the back. Also have Sean Kelly's bike Vitus 979 from 1985, Campy NR, 6 speeds in back. Love the handling but 25 mm tires max. Looking for a high end, quick handling, shock absorbing bike w/32 mm tires. Any suggestions? My local shop is recommending the new Giant Defy. Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
@@brucelulu829 Sounds like a Domane. No matter what bling kit you fit it with, it rides like a truck. If you are looking at a Defy it is hard to recommend a Time because you will get an entire well specced Defy for the price of a Time frame. You are more than welcome to come for a test ride.
@@Mapdec Thanks for the reply. If money were not an issue (and it is not in this case), a new Defy frame or ADH-x frame? I ride pavement only, not too rough, and rides are 2-4 hrs, with an occasional 8 hr. No racing ;-)
@@brucelulu829 give me some more details on this form and I will give you a call on Monday. mapdec.com/pages/new-contact-typeform
Super interesting, but why doesn't Look publish weight specifications for complete bikes on their ws? How much does the new 785 Huez Ultegra Di2 weigh?
I can’t thank of any brand that publishes weights these days. Even Giant stopped it in the UK. The 785 in the vid is as you see it with pedals, bottle cages and wahoo mount is 8kg
@@Mapdec and the Time ADH X in the vid?
@@albertosantangelo6872 I haven’t weighed it.
I messaged time on a frameset weight for the new X and I believe I was told 950g or maybe 970g for the green in Medium.
I just found out that SRAM owns Time. Didn't know that.
Just the pedals. Rossignol sold the pedal business to SRAM and the Frame business to Tony Karklins of the Cardinal Cycling Group
Well I’ll be.
@@Mapdec You're likely aware Cardinal is based here in Arkansas. Tony built Allied Cycleworks into a going concern here in Bentonville/Rogers, Arkansas then sold it to Steuart and Tom Walton. He's building a Time production plant in South Carolina that I understand should be up and running by years end. Additionally, I have an ADHX I ride and plan on a Scylon in the future. Serious consideration in talking with you about building it up. After all I am a Kendall (2 Ls) and what could be more fitting than having my bike built in the town where my family originated from!
Very interesting.
Time so smooth they don’t need wider tires?! That’s the biggest load of marketing bs I’ve heard in a long time 😂
my answer to that is to simply invite you to come for a test ride. I am not sure how much you know about Time, but they are the only brand weaving carbon with Dyneema & Kevlar to achieve that.
@@Mapdec Love the channel and the work you guys do ,but think you’ll be making an appearance on the other cycling channel again this week 😉
@@AndyBarber1981 the armchair mechanic. 😂. Maybe. He gets so triggered.
I have TIME 2023 with 28mm tires, its very smooth to ride on any surface, in comarison to other lay up carbon frames.
@@Mapdechave you seen his tyre width comparison test? It's absolutely hilarious 😅
Oh Cumbria, a beautiful place to ride unless you crash and go under a bus.. then into a helicopter and off to hospital for a month.
Ouch.
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@@Mapdec mutual promotion is more accurate. I just got a newsletter e-mail from Time Bicycles: "MAPDEC Reviews The New Alpe d'Huez X" with a link to this video.
@@jayjohnson7594 lol. I don’t even think this review was all that positive about it.
It’s ok to say English
When is Time coming out with the new redesigned Fluidity? Have been hearing about that for 2 years, but nothing or is this bike their "new redesigned Time Fluidity"?
It’s not. In the gravel ride podcast Time CEO said that they are developing a new endurance.