Did you know these 3 secrets about coral in Armored Core 6? They have HUGE PvP implications!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- There are a lot of secrets and hidden mechanics in AC6. Here's a look at some of the ones hiding within coral energy, and they can have a huge impact on how you play PvP.
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Its not entirely true about nothing being like coral, there were Kojima paricles in AC4A that shredded shields and did unique damage aswell!
They were using Coral... For FUEL
FOR FUEL ⛽️ 😱
Holy shit now it all makes sense
*anime gasp*
Nani?
Le coral weapons… were fuelled by coral????
@@dranoelarios4788 Gasp!?
The generator types also affects the explosion VFX when any AC (you and enemy) get destroyed.
True!
The Coral rifles also have the properties of Plasma: The blast radius triggers multiple damage instances. These instances also stack with charge level.
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Imagine they made a survival game out of AC where you pilot your own ship, have your own/clan base, make custom parts, open world pvp, drop on death etc. Would be the greatest game of all time.
Would love that
Was talking to a mate the other day about that we were playing mechwarrior 5 and I mentioned how dope an armoured core game set out like this would be his response was "Nooo don't give me grand dreams like that bro!"
My working idea about Coral as a Damage Type in PvE which the part also shows a different icon on Attack Type is that enemies have a Resistance Stat instead but only a handful of enemies in the game have Coral Resistance, mostly being C-Weapon enemies. As for why Arena ACs might take differing amounts of damage they either also have a hidden resistance stat or more likely it has to do with OS Tuning again where one of the features is a passive that just reduces all damage you take up to a certain percentage.
It may very well be that the enemy ACs have different levels of tuning, and that it actually affects coral damage. Definitely something going on.
@@NoisyRen Each part has a ton of stats associated with it, and I'm wondering if perhaps the head piece or something gives resistance to Coral damage. I'm wondering if it has any sort of link to things like flame throwers or stun weapons where it builds up over time. However, Coral would be a sort of hidden build up. I guess what I'm saying is I'm wondering if the system recovery stat of the head may affect the damage from coral weapons. Additionally, I'm wondering if the reason you're getting the differences in damage from pve enemies is based off some formula like Energy + kinetic + explosive / x = damage output or something odd like that.
PvP wise I'm fairly certain there's no hidden resistance that effects it. PvE I'm not sure just yet, but my suspicion is that each enemy has different OST stats which likely effects it as they do affect the damage output of coral weapons. Not entirely sure on it though.
Coral in PvE is probably impacted by the opponent's OS tuning. In PvP everyone seems set the same.
That's definitely part of the case.
If everything said here is factual this is actually a pretty informative video, props for that.
Thanks :) I always try to do my research before releasing anything, but feel free to test it out! Have to do all the weapons testing in PvP though.
The coral generators give you a clear boundary between bottomed out and full power.
It’s easier to simply spend all your energy to pull off an attack and then jump to avoid counterattacks rather than constantly take that full second of ground tine to regen a normal reactor.
Can be hard with the jump on some leg types, but not too bad.
There is no such thing as penetrating defenses because nobody has an anti-Coral defense stat. However I know what is causing the inconsistencies in the arena and to the same extent PvE.
There is a hidden modifier enemies have that adjust how much damage they take from each damage type. Said modifiers are why the Sea Spider was freakishly hard thanks to how it took noticeably less damage from energy and explosive weapons, 30% less damage last I saw. The nerf made the two damage types do no less than 100% of their damage, while kinetic weapons still have the most increased damage taken modifier against the sea spider.
This hidden modifier is different not just for who you fight, but where and when you fight them. Such as the Test AC. In test mode, it takes full damage from the WLT Coral Rifle. 465 full or 425 if the target escapes a tick of damage. Rummy takes the same damage in the arena. Index after Rummy in the arena also takes the same damage. The Test AC in the arena however, took 385 full or 361 when escaping a tick of damage. Freud takes similarly reduced damage in the Arena. Maeterlinck, an E lister takes 441 full, or maybe I'm off, but it doesn't matter. You wanna know how much damage she takes in PvE, aka the mission you kill her in? 778. She is taking increased damage from Coral along with G3, albeit less damage than Maeterlinck takes. Meanwhile MTs there take the 465 damage, although I think the larger MTs take different damage.
One could argue that the OST might have influenced the numbers. They do not. 15%, 30% or even if it is multiplicative , the result can't reach up to literally double the damage nor would it yield results as little as 5% less damage taken than the base.
Also this is also why the damage is the same in PvP. The modifier is the same for all of us.
Oh cool, have the numbers from missions too. Super interesting 👌
I figured it would be something like that. Some of the AC are noticeably harder/easier to kill depending on where you encounter them. That suggests that's there's some type of damage modifier outside of defense stat that is differentially applied.
Learning about Assault Armor getting buffed tempts me to try it again, but I'm so bad with those gens I always get rekt while I'm waiting for recharge 😅
Definitely the drawback to them.
Yeah the whole thing where you have to drain it completely first takes a while to get used to
@@jeeBisOkay sure does!
So coral has a C in scaling for both Strength and Dex, nice. ... I have to say though. This is kinda weird because by the time you unlock the coral weapons you'll likely have unlocked all or most of the OS chips, meaning whatever perks they may yield, you probably already have all of your weapons working at maximum performance. If you could only equip a limited number of OS chips like FRS memory it would make sense, but unfortunately it does not, unless you want to make up arbitrary challenge rules.
Yea it's definitely a bit strange. Not sure why they went that route.
I don't do pvp but this was still informative. I only use coral generators ever since I got the Aorta.
They can still make a big difference PvE :)
You need to coral gens for red comet builds
I did have a hypothesis that is a bit hard to test, that the coral shields may have increased coral weapon defense as well. this may even be true of the coral back shield part. particularly the damage mitigation while they are active and reduce the "chip" damage that makes it through the shielding. its also possible that the shields gain reduced gauge damage from the coral weapons as well. I don't think it alters the other weapon types effects on the shield however aside the one you mentioned on the pulse shots.
I'm curious onnif it affects the various shields, too. It is rather difficult to test though.
while not a secret, the charged coral laser attack sets up a visual cluster F*%^, perfect for releasing two charged coral missiles, which - when they are landing create another visual cluster F*&%, giving me the perfect opportunity to charged coral oscillator.
rinse repeat, or just go for the stagger with hand weapons and punish with coral missiles you can also opt to work a songbirds into the combo, releasing a coral missile while flying, shooting songbirds while falling, then assault boosting in with rifle shots for an oscilator attack while they try to dodge the missiles too.
The coral missiles are so good
Considering lore, are coral weapons technically biological weapons? And thus nuking with the coral missile is biological warfare?
Hmm, a grey area for sure!
Yeah! Though if anything it's more like exotic biofuel
Probably not. Biological warfare is usually more about bacteria and viruses attacking people from inside their body. If Covid had been deliberate, that would be effective biological warfare. Here the weapons are specifically discharging the energy potential in coral. It more resembles nuclear fission in its usage. Though the definition of biological warfare is inherently a bit of a grey area. If we learn that coral then eats away material after initial contact, then it comes closer. But the story is entirely treating it as being for energy.
Since it's sentient would it also be considered slave labour?
@@lucianjaeger4893 true
sometimes, whenever i assault boost with a coral generator, i hear the coral scream sound
😂
The coral rifle hits twice with each shot. If you look closely, you will see it hit, then tick a little more. In tune with the explosion after contact.
I think the projectile is physical and the burst is energy.
Could make sense. Though stat wise it doesn't seem to make any difference.
So i was talking to someone in a lobby the other day so idk if its completely true but they said them and their friends did some testing and found out it dosnt completely ignore defence, but kinetic, energy, and explosive all partially work together to negate the defense. Which would make some sense if the kinetic and energy os tunings both increase damage
It's been fairly extensively tested in PvP and always seems to do the same damage, But that does seem to be somewhat true in PvE
Primal armor, I have not heard that in a minute.
Haha may have misspoke somewhere in there :P
Is there a way to raise damage of the full charged coral deathray, or help with seeing someone's location when it's firing?
(Sight issue exists for soft-lock aiming, idk for hard-lock, but the swap to manual aim kills indicators on targets in several ways past what manual aim normally does).
I want to make Galacta Knight's "The Great Space-Time Killing Flash" move either stronger or better to aim for sustained blows. Thing sucks up generator recharge rate enough as is.
I don't believe there's really a way to help with either. Damage seems to not be boostable. Aiming with hard lock may help. Worth a shot for you. I haven't used that attack all that much unfortunately.
@@NoisyRen tried Hard-lock, the beam breaks it. Although i found two things:
1. Missile lock indicators can add upon the circular marker in manual aim, helping track them a bit more.
2. Beam is absolutely not closer range as the large view-covering beam +turn speed reduction makes it nigh impossible to see which direction someone swiftly dodges around you at. Not even missile lock indicators will help you much there.
I guess true to Kirby games, Galacta Knight's deathray is better from a range, and the slower a target is, the more it's effectively aimed range reaches closer.
Did you test if coral gens buff coral weapons since the generator stat itself doesn't?
Doesn't appear to modify them at all unfortunately.
I love how Coral weapons are their own damage type
Right? Definitely interesting.
You didn’t mention it but i guess there is no change to damage with the coral generators? Is this also true for cooldown/reload times? I won’t have a chance to play this week.
I don't believe they change anything, atleast to the best of my knowledge and what I've heard from others testing it.
Probably goes without saying, but coral generators also effect terminal armor.
That they do
It’s not that coral weapons ignore defense. It’s that they deal coral damage, which is it’s own damage type.
You can see this by looking at any weapon’s stats in assembly, turning on contextual help, and then mousing over the damage type icon. It lists all the damage types and coral is it’s own damage type. And because anti-coral defense doesn’t exist on any parts, there is no defense to reduce it’s damage like all the other damage types.
This is the same reason your conclusion about energy firearm spec was correct. Coral is different from energy, so energy firearm spec doesn’t affect it.
In that way it seems to balance it out. You don’t get extra damage from your generator, but it makes up for that with there being no defense to reduce it’s damage.
YES! I was going to mention this 👍🏾 nicely spotted
I would be curious if an expansion or DLC would bring more coral related parts and therefor coral defense stats. It's true though, well put.
The reason you get different numbers against arena opponents may be due to them having different OS tuning. Some lack the %15 damage reduction.
OST is my assumption as well
What is your paint decal code at 7:00? it looks fascinating.
NSF83RMCQF1P :)
Thanks a lot ❤@@NoisyRen
Hey question, does the coral weapons only do the through defence damage if your opponent isn't using a coral generator??🤔
Like are players ammune if they use coral generators?
Don't believe it makes a difference. That would be interesting though.
Whatever secrets they have , I’m still not taking my med
Haha 🤣
No meds for me. Without the voices keeping me company I am completely alone.
do coral generators affect coral weaponry performances?
Nope, not that I've seen.
The Coral generators apparently make the Coral shield stronger.
Imma be straight, I run all coral build just because it looks all red and cool
Haha a fair reason
6:29 how did the terminal armor healed you every time I use terminal armor it only leaves me a one AP
It's because it's in the training arena. You won't actually drop to zero it just resets your health when you would drop to zero.
I thought I was using it wrong but no it just sucks
@@FrostMan678 good on lightweights
Leaving you at one AP in a game where you getting hit is inevitable doesn’t seem to practical
Coral makes armored core a soulslike game
Bringing the discourse along with you
I heard someone say that if you parry an attack with the coral shield that it boosts the damage mitigation for a short time.
Does anyone know if this is true and what difference in mitigation actually is?
Would have to look at the stats to confirm, but all the shields have a different level of guard within a short time frame after activation. Some are far better during that window, some are worse. The cooldown of the coral shield though would only allow it a few times in quick succession before overheating though. Most people leave it out rather than trying to parry with it.
Coral generators give coral shield more hp.
Nice, hadn't tested that one yet
Does this mean that in PVE we use Ayre’s bath water as coral ammo?
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"coral is unlike anything we have had before"
This is false, Kojima particle damage has existed in three Armored Core games.
There are some parallels for sure. Some differences, too.
Coral heavily reminds me of argent from Doom Eternal.
@lightborn9071 not super familiar with it ^.^"
@@NoisyRen The similiarities are that they are both red, store the 'souls' of living beings and are incredibly powerful as fuel.
Get a job with the creators!!.
Sounds nice 😊