My guess is that ever since the PCA started blocking anyone from entering Rubicon 3 via the Closure system, Balam overall strategy using overwhelming cannon Fodder has become their very downfall.
BAWS is still present to supply the companies but yes in a situation where both sides field the same units, the one with an edge in tech would usually win out.
Michigan also made some horrible decisions, which might be tied to the death of G2 Nile, apparently Nile was the brain of the operations and he died trying to stop the RLF prison break, afterwards Michigan just kept doing oopsie after oopsie -Allowed Arquebus to take uncontested control over the PCA assets which even the RLF saw coming from miles away -Failed to take the wall which lost him G4 volta and made G5 Iguazu desert -Tried to take the wall AGAIN from the PCA when the focus of the war was clearly on the other continent -Tried to rush into the watchpoint getting all his units deleted by the laser defense system and causing even more desertions
They were doomed to failure. Michigan is a soldier in a corporate battleground, the Redguns have more deserters than the Vespers, and ALLMIND has been supporting Arquebus in secret. The only real chance they had was to find an ally on Rubicon, but they never did.
There's actually one more bit of lore, one of the licenses you pick up from the Illegal Entry mission, the "Corperate License, easily traceable, forget it" blongs to G7, a character who died shortly before 621's arrival and had already been deleted from the allmind arena database
Err... I thought it was pretty clear that the Jupiter war was between Balam and Furlong. Michigan, the "hero of the war", used to be the commander of Furlong's fleet, and Nile recruited him post-war to Balam.
I thought it was said Michigan recruited Nile. Also i can see how that would make sense given it’s only with Furlong & Balam parts that the Jupiter war is ever mentioned. Now that would make for some great missions to play, maybe in the next installment
In the Alea Iacta Est we do see Balam one last time during the M.I.A mission. As Raven escapes the Institute Underground City, G6 Red can be found struggling against Arquebus soldiers. This is....really sad, as G6 is the last Redgun, all his friends are dead or deserted, his corporation has withdrawn, so he's suffering so much stress that he cannot be talked with. Would have loved an option to spare him so he would take on Michigan's mantle somehow
We do and i put that encounter in my red guns video, i felt it belonged their better. Shame we could not help him, but the combat stress and all that happened seem to leave 621 not choice. Expect there was but video game limitation and the such.
I loved every one of the Redguns, even you Iguazu, G4 Volta was right. It was a family, and big papa Michigan cared for every man under his command and knew everyone's name even his MT pilots. Dakmn it, no matter the ending we weren't able to save Balam's forces. I could give to shites about the corporation. I just wanted to save the Redguns!
I am deathy amused and pleased by how much Balam is engineered to resemble Crest products from Armored Core 3. The only thing missing are the signature chest barrels. I desperately pray that if we get a DLC that we get a full set of Balam lightweight parts and it resembles Crest lightweight AC's and another dedicated full Balam heavyweight set. That would just be glorious. While Arquebus technically has a lightweight in their subsidiary I'd love for them to get their own dedicated ultra-light gear that resembles Mirage's light weights.
THANK YOU, that's exactly what I was thinking. It's funny how it's swapped from the Controller supporting Crest to backing Mirage (Arquebus). I think though that unfortunately Crest's lightweight parts have been taken over by Elcano.
A cool thing about the nepenthes, it’s named after a genus of carnivorous plants. Fomsoft really nails it when it comes to naming things in their games
Ah the little details that are easy to forget, like the deserting ACs due to Nepenthes, this comes up in later missions. Your content is good to go over the events of the story again from different angles
I'd respect him more if I didn't have to cut through over 50 of the troops he hides behind and have to use at least one fist against him, the damn coward
his voice lines in the intercept the redguns mission are absolutely burned into my mind. the sound design in this game in general is gonna stick with me forever i think
Its clearly stated that in jupiter war Balam industries is at war with Furlong dynamics not arquebus. Michigan was also mentioned to be former furlong fleet commander before he join balam and create redgun squad. So when the war is over furlong become specialist in missiles (state in thier FCS) and balam improve thier fcs missiles assist.
Balam is literally a demon name but ironically they are more humane than Arquebus. Tidbits! -Balam's parts name had similar naming schemes as Rosenthal & Omer (Hogire > Lahire) For Balam (Haldeman > Zimmerman) (Curtis > Harris) (Coquillett > Duckett) etc~
In regards to the oddness of G6 Red saying that “The Group has committed to using force against the Rubicon Liberation Front.” I think I have an explanation for the choice of words used here. In the first Balam issued mission, destroying the BAWS artillery in the Contaminated City, they are merely attacking the RLF for being in the way as you said, were the RLF to leave the city vacant Balam would not have pursued further hostilities. So when G6 Red says that they will now be using military force, it probably means that the Balam executives have decided to hurt the RLF regardless of them occupying positions that hinder the Coral survey. This is reflected in the second mission in which you are ordered to destroy the transport helicopters in order to hinder their supply lines.
I really love Balam Redguns. They are fun people, unlike arquebus vesper which are too serious. Both company produce OP parts too (Zimmy chan and stun needle)
If we look at G2 Niles description in the arena it says that "Michigan was the commander of the rival Furlong Armed Fleet" note how it uses rival suggesting that Balam and Furlong were on opposite sides of the Jupiter War especially with the included context that Michigan also had warrant for his arrest from Balams side. From G6 description in the arena we can see that Furlong was a rather big player in the Jupiter War unlike on Rubicon 3 where they do not have a military presence on the planet, So from this it appears that Balam lost the Jupiter war and Furlong won it. Just a reminder that well Balam and Arquebus are the main corporations fighting each other on Rubicon 3 that doesn't mean that they are also fighting each other everywhere else, there are after all other corporations that aren't apart of Arquebus or Balam. Also because Arquebus isn't mentioned of having been apart of the Jupiter War it is more likely they were either not apart of it at all or took on a background role where they instead provided minor assistance to whoever they wanted to win the Jupiter War rather than what you suggested of the Jupiter War being Balam versus Arquebus again.
I was under the impression that Balam won the war since Michigan is with them now and I could totally see them taking Furlongs greatest commander as a prize not to mention furlongs lack of a proper presence on rubicon gives me a kind of weakened vibe from them to me
Losers don't get called heroes we know that Michigan had many victories as a commander for Furlong and if Furlong still lost the war despite Michigan's successes than all of Michigan's effort would have amounted to nothing and as such there would be no reason to call him a hero. Furlong is described as being a sly corporation by the independent mercenaries and we can see this with them supporting both Balam and the RLF in the fight over Rubicon 3 this lack of their own military presence doesn't suggest that they are weakened, they are just going about fighting Arquebus in a non-confrontational way. If anything Balam is the weakened corporation as they are technologically behind and as G3 Wu Huahai says Balam was a sinking ship.
@@broomhatter3877 fair enough I just don’t see much of any reason why Michigan is with Balam now as we can see he still has beloved workers in furlong in what I think is his arena bio it says his bounty would need to be split with them
@@thatoneguyyouthinkshouldbe2431 could have been due to furlong changing their approach to fighting other corporations and either Michigan decided to jump ship to see more action or Michigan is under orders of Furlong to join Balam for some reason. He could have also butted heads with someone higher up than him and have been pushed out Furlong.
My thought is that the Jupiter War was between Furlong and Balam, with Balam ultimately being the victor. Nile led the forces of Balam, while Michigan led Furlong's. Balam was impressed with Furlong's missile technology, and so chose to absorb Furlong as a subsidiary rather than crush them completely. Later, the death of Michigan at the hands of an Arquebus hire, and Michigan's "bounty" subsequently being awarded to Furlong, may have allowed Furlong to support the RLF through Elcano, which led to their contributions in the construction of Steel Haze Ortus.
Now, Michigan comes from Furlong, and Furlong sells equipment to the liberation front... I would've loved a story path where Balam gets defeated BUT Michigan (along with Nile and Red cuz why not, they deserve it) survives and joins the liberation front just to kick Arquebus in the teeth
Honestly, I kinda liked these guys, especially V.I. He kinda had that classic, hard ass, yet respectable drill Sergent vibe. But Redgund aside, I loved their parts. I used the shotguns, tank legs, quad legs, basic humanoid AC parts, and Pile Bunker frequently.
I agree g1 is quite the character and seems to have won a place in a lot of ac fans hearts and the parts are very good here i am still using two Tuner rifles as i just really like them and think they suit my style of play.
@@Burningphynix Yeah, it's pretty heavily implied that every major AC pilot from both sides end up dead. And it kind of makes the third ending chilling when ALLMIND basically states she's using their pilot data/consciousness.
I believe Walter may have served in the Jupiter war as an AC pilot. Possibly under Balam or Furlong. Professor Nagai had him sent off to the Jupiter colonies as a child, so he would have been there, assuming it happened after the Fires of Ibis. And he seems very friendly with Michigan, who we know fought in the Jupiter Wars. And when we kill Michigan, Walter seems somewhat sentimental. Hes not immediately upset, but he bothers to mention that "Michigan knew the score". As if he knew Michigan well. We also know that Walter is a capable AC pilot, as Allmind says as much before killing him. So he has experience in an AC.
Possible again the issue we face is that the Jupiter war is never really talked about a lot. We know at the time G6 was young at the time and by the time he grew up Michigan was already the red guns leader. Walters past is always very much here a little bit and that's its. The man had made a lot of connections, made enough money to keep buying dogs and even pay off debt. So the search for an answer goes on.
Balam is a hard hitter, from the meta shotguns to their lovely assortment of rifles and parts, I happily apply their tag as a deco on my tank legs with pride. Would you do me a small favour, I have been reading up on Iguazu's bio from the arena and I am stumped on who the "Hero of Jupiter War" is? I assumed it was Michigan but he goes by the names Liger Tail, Hell on four legs and the spoken commander Michigan from his soldiers. I want to think he goes by this name too but Iguazu's past is linked to this particular individual so knowing for sure would explain why Iguazu was forced to undergo augmentation surgerey.
"The Hero of Jupiter" seems to just be an epithet rather than an actual title. Like calling Commander Shepard "the first Human Spectre". It's definitely Michigan.
@@nickgrout2502But I dunno, something doesn't seem right with that specifically. It said that Iguazu had a gambling debt and was forced to undergo 4th generation human augmentation. I don't see Michigan as that individual especially considering the visable side effects. As much as Michigan clowns on Iguazu, he seems to generally look out for him rather than forcing him to work in servitude. The fact that Iguazu being able to get hired and work for other contractors is why I think this.
I'm having a hard time understanding your question. The hero of jupiter is in fact G1 Michigan based on the collective informations of the other redgun members. they all seem to have criminal records aside from G6 Red, who was an aspired member to be a redgun after he looked up Michigan and his triumphs' on jupiter. it goes like this: Iguazu gambled and bet alot of money, but he lost was forced to undergo augmentation surgery (Which can only be done through the connections of the corporations) and Balem was a nearby option. here in his new life he met Volta and had Quarrels with him on a Dailey basis (suggested it was somewhat friendly, or brotherly) but this behavior eventually got them more aggressive, cocky, and unrestrained, this is probably due to the members of Balem at HQ treating them like dung and looked down on as a result of the surgical process that made them stand out as freaks or monsters in human skin. (as a result of the side affects) and this made Iguazu and Volta more rebellious that it attracted the famous G1 Michigan, and had to beat the living daylights out of them into submission to quell the dilemma that Balem had to put up with, thus taking in the two as official members of the redguns, this was either done out of pity or respect for the two for at least trying to survive, Volta remarks this as his last words moments before he was killed by the RLF Juggernaut: "Iguazu, im telling you man, you gotta give michigan a chance, he's different from the suits at HQ. Look i know hes an asshole, but hes looking out for us you know? almost like we got a family here. heh. man if there's anyone who deserves punching out, its the freaks who sent us on this suicide mission, you picked a good day to go AWOL....Wish I-"
It's explained he was incredibly inspired by him and that's why he joined the redguns. G1 was his hero and he wanted to fight with him. So it's understandable that he imitates him.
Do we know yet what Ayre meant during one of the chapter 4 briefings (depth 2 I think) that Balam's goal down there isn't the same as Arquebus'? There's something I still don't get about Balam and their overall strategy on Rubicon and I'm not willing to pin it on Michigan just making bad decisions. Walter calls Nile the brains and Michigan the brawn, but If G1 were a fool he wouldn't be noted in Nile's arena description as the only man Nile never "brought to justice." Michigan is under no illusions that he's made strategic compromises in order to do Walter some personal favors. One of the only things Iguazu and Volta say in the dam mission that Michigan doesn't give them shit for is at the very beginning, when they're complaining about babysitting their mercenary tagalong. Iguazu unknowingly calls Michigan dumb right to his face and gets no quips or insults in return. Why were Walter and Michigan trying to get Balam in charge of taking the Ice Worm out, and willing to sacrifice the PCA's heavy warship fleet for an outcome Walter describes as "better then nothing" in their conversation? It doesn't seem to be an Overseer thing in service to getting 621 in first, because Balam's remaining forces immediately rush the place with no discernable exit strategy. Also what the hell happened in the Contaminated City right before we landed? A couple no name independent mercs, G7 Hakra, a lot of PCA wrecks and the still sparking remains of Nightfall in a crater? Is this the aftermath of the Station 31 attack or some other operation Raven was involved in, and how exactly were the Redguns involved? There are a lot of things in this game that aren't explicit or aren't given direct answers, but nothing has me puzzled quite like Balam.
All ready good lore questions which i could give personal thoughts on but nothing solid lore wise with what the game offers. As for what Ayre meant, its a guess on my part however i believed she was able to hack into Balam reports that seem to suggest the group is also out for 621. I presume balam knew thier rival would send 621 in and are laying the blame of thier downfall on the mercenary after all the mts call 621 traitor when they see merc. I personally think g1 was very much under pressure from the heads of balam, they wanted results and he was the only commander around. I would agree he is not stupid, but rather heavy handed as his bio states perhaps his counter to this was g2. The man perhaps knew more about the inner working of the red guns and had been the commander of the police organization before it became the redguns and was more calm. As for the other two i am guessing Walter saw the worm was his way into where the Corel was, he needed to be there in case the worm showed them the way which it did in the end. However why the need for the redguns to be in charge? I think this is because Walter felt he can work his friend Michigan better, there seems to be no distrust between them so it was easier for walter to get his own way unlike Arquebus which most likely did not want walter nor 621 near the attack and had no trust in the redguns. As for the contaminated city battle its very much in the air to be honest. To me maybe what we're seeing is a battle which g7 was leading a force to attack the city only for the front to have hired thier own mercenaries and as they battled the pca showed up to put a stop to the fighting. This is when suddenly raven shows up either because branch wanted something here or he was the back-up merc the front had. All personal thoughts mind, but maybe we'll get answers one day.
@@armoredcorelore Volta's last words might be more important than I gave them credit for, that's a good point about Michigan being pressured by the company. Thanks for the thoughts overall, this topic is one of the tougher ones to wrap my head around.
Please note: During the beginning of the video i managed to add an extra zero to the Talbot fcs part only to say it right later on. Turns out i added the extra zero in the script.
There should have been an ending where you side with balam and die with them. You don’t see the ending of rubicon. You fail both Ayre and Walter. 621 fails to become a legend in any way. But you die with your choice
... So, if we became a real member of the Redguns, what would our River-themed callsign be? Mississippi? Euphrates? St. Johns? I mean... If you wanna be technical, there's a small Raven River in Alberta, Canada...
I absolutely LOVE the redguns, yes even Iguazu! They’re light hearted and Michigan cares for every single one of them, he even remembers ALL of their names! A leader who truly cared, unlike Snail.
If you think that the arquebus halters was hard, remember: if we get a BALAM ending, the BALAM balteus will come, and with it every last songbird cannon in stock mounted on a single vehicle
Great video as always,i wonder will we get back story for Ayre as novella maybe? It can still make all the character dont have faces or maybe dlc expantion yea...prefer that.
I forgot where I read this Ingame but wasn’t the Jupiter war fought between furlong and Balam and wasn’t Michigan with furlong during the fighting I might just be out of it though
From what we can put together from g6 bio it states his life was forever changed seeing the newsboard casts of the brutal trumpets of Commander Michigan in the Jupiter war. A war we know g1 fought in thanks to his title the hero of the Jupiter war, this is then back up by g2 bio which states the only person he was not able to put in handcuff while part of the paramilitary police of balam was G1 who was the commander of the furlong fleet and noted to be g2 rival. Its with this that in g1 profile that he state as the commander of the furlong armed fleet he took up the role as the redgun commander after this. Although it does not state why or when this happened. However what backs this up is that he posted a bounty on balam bounty board with the stipulation that half of the reward money is to be distributed to his former comrades at furlong. It all this that points to the war being between furlong and Balam however i don't think furlong won. In fact i would say that the war ended in either a deal between the corps or balam won the war and Michigan switched side seeing he could help his former comrades who at this point maybe struggling to find new job or injuries from the war between the pair. After all you can still be known as a hero even on the losing side.
@@armoredcorelore yeah thanks for going into it and I agree with the idea that Balam probably won the Jupiter war the only possible way to argue against that is that Michigan is called the hero of the war but imo you can still be a hero but lose the war
@@thatoneguyyouthinkshouldbe2431 Happy to although i think someone already cover all this anyway in the comments. But i would agree you can have heroes on the losing side we have a few example in our own history.
Its nice but we don't have any evidence to support it. I like the story idea but again it was a pre order bonus so the question is do we count it as lore or do we see it as an extra for a game.
@@armoredcorelore The emblems too sort of. Look at the Redguns emblem and even kinda the Balam one. Reminds me of basically a variation of the GA symbol style sorta. Not one to one of course but I feel like they had to have used that as inspiration on purpose since Balam and GA both sorta feel similar as the 'murica' corporations in their respective games.
Which is why there is a story of ac6 video which explains the story of the game and then these little videos that pick at the little bits of information and history from the story and shine a light on them. Highlighting corporations, thier acs and the people who work for them.
@@axxa5000 our codename is C4-621 which means we are the 621 individual to undergo the generation 4 surgery, it kinda is a serial number but it's definitly also our callsign among the Walter Hounds since that's how Sulla, Carla and Walter referred to the past ones
All things considered, the certification to become a raven is to defeat an enemy AC. We may have stolen the call sign, but we earn our wings well enough
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My guess is that ever since the PCA started blocking anyone from entering Rubicon 3 via the Closure system, Balam overall strategy using overwhelming cannon Fodder has become their very downfall.
BAWS is still present to supply the companies but yes in a situation where both sides field the same units, the one with an edge in tech would usually win out.
Michigan also made some horrible decisions, which might be tied to the death of G2 Nile, apparently Nile was the brain of the operations and he died trying to stop the RLF prison break, afterwards Michigan just kept doing oopsie after oopsie
-Allowed Arquebus to take uncontested control over the PCA assets which even the RLF saw coming from miles away
-Failed to take the wall which lost him G4 volta and made G5 Iguazu desert
-Tried to take the wall AGAIN from the PCA when the focus of the war was clearly on the other continent
-Tried to rush into the watchpoint getting all his units deleted by the laser defense system and causing even more desertions
Fodder*
@@AbelMusa fixed
@@MMockAlso they kept clamping down on the RLF at the beginning as Arquebus went for their neck.
I love the design aesthetics of BALAM Industries' Melander. It's a literal tribute to the original AC design in AC1.
AC Anfang!!!
I wish the lil gun was present as the anti missile system like from long ago
It looks a LOT like Crest Industries parts from AC3 to me.
Well the Crest parts were modernized versions of the Anfang parts.
@@WarBirdGhost Fair enough.
if only they equipped all the redguns with zimmerman, Balam could've won the war xd
Zimmerman?
More like zimmermid
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@@tyreksimmons4167imagine going 20k in debt after every mission.
I can't even
You mean the Field Trip?
G4 has a zimmerman and he was a pain for me when I did the alt mission at the dam
@@kings_nemesis5995 single Zimmerman on Volta's AC is not as big of the issue as almost 17k HP pool
I wish there was a way to side with Balam all the way through and beat Arquebus in like some sort of underdog story.
Yeah I wanted to help the Rubicon front but they get curbstomped every route
Same, wanted to follow Michigan into hell
@@kevo300They win in the route where you support ayre in stopping the xylem
Balam aren't the underdogs though..
They were doomed to failure. Michigan is a soldier in a corporate battleground, the Redguns have more deserters than the Vespers, and ALLMIND has been supporting Arquebus in secret. The only real chance they had was to find an ally on Rubicon, but they never did.
There's actually one more bit of lore, one of the licenses you pick up from the Illegal Entry mission, the "Corperate License, easily traceable, forget it" blongs to G7, a character who died shortly before 621's arrival and had already been deleted from the allmind arena database
That would be a nice bit of lore maybe in a red guns lore video.
Balam is clearly the best corp since they created not only the pilebunker but also tetrapod legs. Love me the skudder too.
Feeling the balam love here.
Err... I thought it was pretty clear that the Jupiter war was between Balam and Furlong. Michigan, the "hero of the war", used to be the commander of Furlong's fleet, and Nile recruited him post-war to Balam.
Sometimes i miss things.
And Michigan was Walter's "foster father" or kind of that stuff. Maybe he's the one who teached Walter how to pilot an AC.
I thought it was said Michigan recruited Nile. Also i can see how that would make sense given it’s only with Furlong & Balam parts that the Jupiter war is ever mentioned. Now that would make for some great missions to play, maybe in the next installment
In the Alea Iacta Est we do see Balam one last time during the M.I.A mission.
As Raven escapes the Institute Underground City, G6 Red can be found struggling against Arquebus soldiers.
This is....really sad, as G6 is the last Redgun, all his friends are dead or deserted, his corporation has withdrawn, so he's suffering so much stress that he cannot be talked with.
Would have loved an option to spare him so he would take on Michigan's mantle somehow
We do and i put that encounter in my red guns video, i felt it belonged their better. Shame we could not help him, but the combat stress and all that happened seem to leave 621 not choice. Expect there was but video game limitation and the such.
I loved every one of the Redguns, even you Iguazu, G4 Volta was right. It was a family, and big papa Michigan cared for every man under his command and knew everyone's name even his MT pilots. Dakmn it, no matter the ending we weren't able to save Balam's forces. I could give to shites about the corporation. I just wanted to save the Redguns!
really wish there was a Balam route.
@@bohba13yeah. Balam route would have been amazing. Could have it where the coral still gets destroyed but balam defeats arquebus
Taking G6 red down really scarred me...
I am deathy amused and pleased by how much Balam is engineered to resemble Crest products from Armored Core 3. The only thing missing are the signature chest barrels. I desperately pray that if we get a DLC that we get a full set of Balam lightweight parts and it resembles Crest lightweight AC's and another dedicated full Balam heavyweight set. That would just be glorious. While Arquebus technically has a lightweight in their subsidiary I'd love for them to get their own dedicated ultra-light gear that resembles Mirage's light weights.
THANK YOU, that's exactly what I was thinking. It's funny how it's swapped from the Controller supporting Crest to backing Mirage (Arquebus). I think though that unfortunately Crest's lightweight parts have been taken over by Elcano.
A cool thing about the nepenthes, it’s named after a genus of carnivorous plants. Fomsoft really nails it when it comes to naming things in their games
the GOAT
Balam's strategy of "overwhelming material superiority" feels like a clever foreshadowing after the mission against G1 Michigan and all the MTs
And how it would be thier doom to.
Ah the little details that are easy to forget, like the deserting ACs due to Nepenthes, this comes up in later missions. Your content is good to go over the events of the story again from different angles
Thank you.
I love G1 Michigan. Definitely my favorite character in the game.
One of the only chill people that actually cared about his people
I love ruining his field trips
I'd respect him more if I didn't have to cut through over 50 of the troops he hides behind and have to use at least one fist against him, the damn coward
@@ereian1 "Time to die,Maggots!"
his voice lines in the intercept the redguns mission are absolutely burned into my mind. the sound design in this game in general is gonna stick with me forever i think
Its clearly stated that in jupiter war Balam industries is at war with Furlong dynamics not arquebus. Michigan was also mentioned to be former furlong fleet commander before he join balam and create redgun squad. So when the war is over furlong become specialist in missiles (state in thier FCS) and balam improve thier fcs missiles assist.
remember people Mean old Michigan Died from a Bad fall!
History will remember.
Balam is literally a demon name but ironically they are more humane than Arquebus.
Tidbits!
-Balam's parts name had similar naming schemes as Rosenthal & Omer (Hogire > Lahire)
For Balam
(Haldeman > Zimmerman)
(Curtis > Harris)
(Coquillett > Duckett) etc~
Neat.
In regards to the oddness of G6 Red saying that “The Group has committed to using force against the Rubicon Liberation Front.” I think I have an explanation for the choice of words used here.
In the first Balam issued mission, destroying the BAWS artillery in the Contaminated City, they are merely attacking the RLF for being in the way as you said, were the RLF to leave the city vacant Balam would not have pursued further hostilities.
So when G6 Red says that they will now be using military force, it probably means that the Balam executives have decided to hurt the RLF regardless of them occupying positions that hinder the Coral survey. This is reflected in the second mission in which you are ordered to destroy the transport helicopters in order to hinder their supply lines.
I like it.
General Motors of Rubicon 3
I really love Balam Redguns. They are fun people, unlike arquebus vesper which are too serious. Both company produce OP parts too (Zimmy chan and stun needle)
They certain are a more colourful cast of characters.
I liked Freud.
@@burnttoast.2017Rusty's everybody's best buddy.
@@therandomlaniusedward2140 true
BALAM SUPREMACY!!!!! DOMINATION THROUGH MATERIAL SUPERIORITY!!!!!
If we look at G2 Niles description in the arena it says that "Michigan was the commander of the rival Furlong Armed Fleet" note how it uses rival suggesting that Balam and Furlong were on opposite sides of the Jupiter War especially with the included context that Michigan also had warrant for his arrest from Balams side. From G6 description in the arena we can see that Furlong was a rather big player in the Jupiter War unlike on Rubicon 3 where they do not have a military presence on the planet, So from this it appears that Balam lost the Jupiter war and Furlong won it.
Just a reminder that well Balam and Arquebus are the main corporations fighting each other on Rubicon 3 that doesn't mean that they are also fighting each other everywhere else, there are after all other corporations that aren't apart of Arquebus or Balam. Also because Arquebus isn't mentioned of having been apart of the Jupiter War it is more likely they were either not apart of it at all or took on a background role where they instead provided minor assistance to whoever they wanted to win the Jupiter War rather than what you suggested of the Jupiter War being Balam versus Arquebus again.
I was under the impression that Balam won the war since Michigan is with them now and I could totally see them taking Furlongs greatest commander as a prize not to mention furlongs lack of a proper presence on rubicon gives me a kind of weakened vibe from them to me
Losers don't get called heroes we know that Michigan had many victories as a commander for Furlong and if Furlong still lost the war despite Michigan's successes than all of Michigan's effort would have amounted to nothing and as such there would be no reason to call him a hero.
Furlong is described as being a sly corporation by the independent mercenaries and we can see this with them supporting both Balam and the RLF in the fight over Rubicon 3 this lack of their own military presence doesn't suggest that they are weakened, they are just going about fighting Arquebus in a non-confrontational way. If anything Balam is the weakened corporation as they are technologically behind and as G3 Wu Huahai says Balam was a sinking ship.
@@broomhatter3877 fair enough I just don’t see much of any reason why Michigan is with Balam now as we can see he still has beloved workers in furlong in what I think is his arena bio it says his bounty would need to be split with them
@@thatoneguyyouthinkshouldbe2431 could have been due to furlong changing their approach to fighting other corporations and either Michigan decided to jump ship to see more action or Michigan is under orders of Furlong to join Balam for some reason. He could have also butted heads with someone higher up than him and have been pushed out Furlong.
It wouldn't surprise me if Furlong didn't just gave data to Elcano to build Alba but also have big hand in designing the suit itself
I love listening to the theories of others on the lore, it really helps to see any picture from different angles.
And that is sometimes what we have to do as video game lore enjoyers.
Ah yes, the AMERICA corporation
True 😂
After being bought by China.
They could of won if they found oil instead of Coral
My thought is that the Jupiter War was between Furlong and Balam, with Balam ultimately being the victor. Nile led the forces of Balam, while Michigan led Furlong's. Balam was impressed with Furlong's missile technology, and so chose to absorb Furlong as a subsidiary rather than crush them completely. Later, the death of Michigan at the hands of an Arquebus hire, and Michigan's "bounty" subsequently being awarded to Furlong, may have allowed Furlong to support the RLF through Elcano, which led to their contributions in the construction of Steel Haze Ortus.
Wait, where was it stated that Balam absorbed Furlong as a subsidiary? Isn’t Dafeng Core Industries the subsidiary of Balam?
Now, Michigan comes from Furlong, and Furlong sells equipment to the liberation front... I would've loved a story path where Balam gets defeated BUT Michigan (along with Nile and Red cuz why not, they deserve it) survives and joins the liberation front just to kick Arquebus in the teeth
Foes becomes allies to kick the bigger bad. Yeah sounds cool to me.
Honestly, I kinda liked these guys, especially V.I. He kinda had that classic, hard ass, yet respectable drill Sergent vibe. But Redgund aside, I loved their parts. I used the shotguns, tank legs, quad legs, basic humanoid AC parts, and Pile Bunker frequently.
I agree g1 is quite the character and seems to have won a place in a lot of ac fans hearts and the parts are very good here i am still using two Tuner rifles as i just really like them and think they suit my style of play.
I wish there was an ending where Michigan survives.
the third ending where coral turn everyone into AC might be the case.
@@alternative915 Either you or Rusty kill him before that becomes a possibility.
@@alternative915 sadly, no. G6 Red tells you while you assist him that everyone else was dead except him.
@@Burningphynix Yeah, it's pretty heavily implied that every major AC pilot from both sides end up dead. And it kind of makes the third ending chilling when ALLMIND basically states she's using their pilot data/consciousness.
@@zjuraeventide8949 RLF pilots aside from the ones you personally kill are never mentioned to have died.
Balam feels like GA, I love it.
I am a certified Balem shill
I believe Walter may have served in the Jupiter war as an AC pilot. Possibly under Balam or Furlong.
Professor Nagai had him sent off to the Jupiter colonies as a child, so he would have been there, assuming it happened after the Fires of Ibis. And he seems very friendly with Michigan, who we know fought in the Jupiter Wars. And when we kill Michigan, Walter seems somewhat sentimental. Hes not immediately upset, but he bothers to mention that "Michigan knew the score". As if he knew Michigan well.
We also know that Walter is a capable AC pilot, as Allmind says as much before killing him. So he has experience in an AC.
Possible again the issue we face is that the Jupiter war is never really talked about a lot. We know at the time G6 was young at the time and by the time he grew up Michigan was already the red guns leader. Walters past is always very much here a little bit and that's its. The man had made a lot of connections, made enough money to keep buying dogs and even pay off debt. So the search for an answer goes on.
Balam bipedal AC resembling crest AC, yeah both have industries name
Hopefully we get either DLC or a sequel. Typically its a sequel but either way we need more of this story. There's so much i want to know.
Tell me about it.
balam lost despite having the ability to manufacture zimmermans.
Well while i would like to say that the outcome of this war is never straight out declared. Only hinted by g1 profile and the other redgun profiles.
The arquebus video going to be good
Ah more work for me ha ha.
Balam is basically the new generation of Crest and Emeraude, with their Redguns being tough-guy loud-mouths.
Totally. I think of Balam and Arquebus as Crest and Mirage
@@josephwilson6272 Arquebus definately also inherited a bit of that Kisaragi creepiness mixed in with the majority Mirage inspiration for them
10:13 The brief clip of a Zimmerman shotgun blasting that guard mech made me chuckle.
Honestly i just thought we could use a different view them weapons all the time. But poor mt it really did make it look pitiful.
Balam is a hard hitter, from the meta shotguns to their lovely assortment of rifles and parts, I happily apply their tag as a deco on my tank legs with pride. Would you do me a small favour, I have been reading up on Iguazu's bio from the arena and I am stumped on who the "Hero of Jupiter War" is?
I assumed it was Michigan but he goes by the names Liger Tail, Hell on four legs and the spoken commander Michigan from his soldiers. I want to think he goes by this name too but Iguazu's past is linked to this particular individual so knowing for sure would explain why Iguazu was forced to undergo augmentation surgerey.
"The Hero of Jupiter" seems to just be an epithet rather than an actual title. Like calling Commander Shepard "the first Human Spectre". It's definitely Michigan.
@@nickgrout2502But I dunno, something doesn't seem right with that specifically. It said that Iguazu had a gambling debt and was forced to undergo 4th generation human augmentation. I don't see Michigan as that individual especially considering the visable side effects.
As much as Michigan clowns on Iguazu, he seems to generally look out for him rather than forcing him to work in servitude. The fact that Iguazu being able to get hired and work for other contractors is why I think this.
I'm having a hard time understanding your question.
The hero of jupiter is in fact G1 Michigan based on the collective informations of the other redgun members.
they all seem to have criminal records aside from G6 Red, who was an aspired member to be a redgun after he looked up Michigan and his triumphs' on jupiter.
it goes like this:
Iguazu gambled and bet alot of money, but he lost was forced to undergo augmentation surgery (Which can only be done through the connections of the corporations) and Balem was a nearby option. here in his new life he met Volta and had Quarrels with him on a Dailey basis (suggested it was somewhat friendly, or brotherly) but this behavior eventually got them more aggressive, cocky, and unrestrained, this is probably due to the members of Balem at HQ treating them like dung and looked down on as a result of the surgical process that made them stand out as freaks or monsters in human skin. (as a result of the side affects) and this made Iguazu and Volta more rebellious that it attracted the famous G1 Michigan, and had to beat the living daylights out of them into submission to quell the dilemma that Balem had to put up with, thus taking in the two as official members of the redguns, this was either done out of pity or respect for the two for at least trying to survive,
Volta remarks this as his last words moments before he was killed by the RLF Juggernaut: "Iguazu, im telling you man, you gotta give michigan a chance, he's different from the suits at HQ. Look i know hes an asshole, but hes looking out for us you know? almost like we got a family here. heh. man if there's anyone who deserves punching out, its the freaks who sent us on this suicide mission, you picked a good day to go AWOL....Wish I-"
@@HeyPachuco Isn't that from the note you read in Operation Wallclimber? Is that supposed to be Volta's destoryed AC laying there?
@@stuv1996 yes the log is even called: "G4's last words"
Balam always gave me strong GA vibes. michigan and co very us marine vibes. and ofcs they bring in the gatling gun~
Got to bring the gatling gun and i can see why. i can almost see a sunshine in there.
G6 Red sounds soo much like G1 Michigan
=)
It's explained he was incredibly inspired by him and that's why he joined the redguns. G1 was his hero and he wanted to fight with him. So it's understandable that he imitates him.
The Turner is my favorite weapon from Balem. It's such a sweet looking gun.
Well i would say me too since i used them for most the game ha ha.
Do we know yet what Ayre meant during one of the chapter 4 briefings (depth 2 I think) that Balam's goal down there isn't the same as Arquebus'? There's something I still don't get about Balam and their overall strategy on Rubicon and I'm not willing to pin it on Michigan just making bad decisions. Walter calls Nile the brains and Michigan the brawn, but If G1 were a fool he wouldn't be noted in Nile's arena description as the only man Nile never "brought to justice."
Michigan is under no illusions that he's made strategic compromises in order to do Walter some personal favors. One of the only things Iguazu and Volta say in the dam mission that Michigan doesn't give them shit for is at the very beginning, when they're complaining about babysitting their mercenary tagalong. Iguazu unknowingly calls Michigan dumb right to his face and gets no quips or insults in return.
Why were Walter and Michigan trying to get Balam in charge of taking the Ice Worm out, and willing to sacrifice the PCA's heavy warship fleet for an outcome Walter describes as "better then nothing" in their conversation? It doesn't seem to be an Overseer thing in service to getting 621 in first, because Balam's remaining forces immediately rush the place with no discernable exit strategy.
Also what the hell happened in the Contaminated City right before we landed? A couple no name independent mercs, G7 Hakra, a lot of PCA wrecks and the still sparking remains of Nightfall in a crater? Is this the aftermath of the Station 31 attack or some other operation Raven was involved in, and how exactly were the Redguns involved?
There are a lot of things in this game that aren't explicit or aren't given direct answers, but nothing has me puzzled quite like Balam.
All ready good lore questions which i could give personal thoughts on but nothing solid lore wise with what the game offers. As for what Ayre meant, its a guess on my part however i believed she was able to hack into Balam reports that seem to suggest the group is also out for 621. I presume balam knew thier rival would send 621 in and are laying the blame of thier downfall on the mercenary after all the mts call 621 traitor when they see merc.
I personally think g1 was very much under pressure from the heads of balam, they wanted results and he was the only commander around. I would agree he is not stupid, but rather heavy handed as his bio states perhaps his counter to this was g2. The man perhaps knew more about the inner working of the red guns and had been the commander of the police organization before it became the redguns and was more calm.
As for the other two i am guessing Walter saw the worm was his way into where the Corel was, he needed to be there in case the worm showed them the way which it did in the end. However why the need for the redguns to be in charge? I think this is because Walter felt he can work his friend Michigan better, there seems to be no distrust between them so it was easier for walter to get his own way unlike Arquebus which most likely did not want walter nor 621 near the attack and had no trust in the redguns.
As for the contaminated city battle its very much in the air to be honest. To me maybe what we're seeing is a battle which g7 was leading a force to attack the city only for the front to have hired thier own mercenaries and as they battled the pca showed up to put a stop to the fighting. This is when suddenly raven shows up either because branch wanted something here or he was the back-up merc the front had. All personal thoughts mind, but maybe we'll get answers one day.
@@armoredcorelore Volta's last words might be more important than I gave them credit for, that's a good point about Michigan being pressured by the company. Thanks for the thoughts overall, this topic is one of the tougher ones to wrap my head around.
No problem it is quite a topic, but i like to think that is what make ac lore interesting the different views and thoughts.
Please note: During the beginning of the video i managed to add an extra zero to the Talbot fcs part only to say it right later on. Turns out i added the extra zero in the script.
There should have been an ending where you side with balam and die with them. You don’t see the ending of rubicon. You fail both Ayre and Walter. 621 fails to become a legend in any way. But you die with your choice
Going last raven with the number of endings.
... So, if we became a real member of the Redguns, what would our River-themed callsign be? Mississippi? Euphrates? St. Johns? I mean... If you wanna be technical, there's a small Raven River in Alberta, Canada...
I'd like to think small river being the new person.
I absolutely LOVE the redguns, yes even Iguazu! They’re light hearted and Michigan cares for every single one of them, he even remembers ALL of their names! A leader who truly cared, unlike Snail.
Nice work on Balam corporation
Thank you.
It's a shame that there wasn't a story path where you sided with belem.
Would certainly have been interesting.
Balam's AC parts reminded me of Crest industry.
I see what you mean.
Murakumo Millennium they aren't.
But I can't help but feel tugged to wishing they could be helped to succeed with the personalities involved.
It is the redguns you'd want to help, i can back that.
Still no luck with the sewing club, ACL?
You'll never get me to sow my mouth shut.
ナイス
I personally like the Arquebus AC design myself. But I use weapons from a variety of corps.
Fair. i admit my ac is a mash up of parts so i don't really have a fav.
If you think that the arquebus halters was hard, remember: if we get a BALAM ending, the BALAM balteus will come, and with it every last songbird cannon in stock mounted on a single vehicle
@@piolewus Honestly people seem pretty chill here, some people like things and others don't.
@ you have a really nice community on the channel, that’s a fact
Should do an april fools video where you do the Armored core story video on the Nine Breaker game 😂🤣
Ha ha it be a short never mind a video.
@@armoredcorelore make the intro Seem legit but then it's 10mins of trollface and an April fools message
YOU GET AZIMMERMAN!
AND YOU GET ZIMMERMAN!
EVERYBODY GETS A
ZIMMERMAN!!!
And they lived happily ever after.
rip g1 michigan
That fall is to blame.
PCA lore next please 🙏
I will see what i can do.
I assumed the canon was inactive qnd then they turned it on to stock followers. Kinda dumb to go through a meatgrinder
GO GO GO, follow Michigan!
G1 Michigan being the hero of the Jupiter War !?
Damn, now I feel bad as ever
I am nobody, and beat the hero in 10 sec, ironically using balam's 2x zimmy chan and 2x stun needle..
Great video as always,i wonder will we get back story for Ayre as novella maybe? It can still make all the character dont have faces or maybe dlc expantion yea...prefer that.
Who know fromsoftware sometime do leave thing unanswered or with very little lore to them. But who know what the future holds.
The armored lore
Best kind of lore.
If only they had hired us the player for the wall and underground investigation.
I think 621 could have won the whole thing. That protag power and all that.
Oh yes the emeraude of 6th universe
Another slam dunk AC6 video, buddy. 😅
Hey, I left something in your inbox. Sorry for the long wait!
Ohhh ha ha. Thanks RReckin hope things are going well your end.
@@armoredcorelore Busy busy, but that's how it goes. Lol
I forgot where I read this Ingame but wasn’t the Jupiter war fought between furlong and Balam and wasn’t Michigan with furlong during the fighting I might just be out of it though
From what we can put together from g6 bio it states his life was forever changed seeing the newsboard casts of the brutal trumpets of Commander Michigan in the Jupiter war. A war we know g1 fought in thanks to his title the hero of the Jupiter war, this is then back up by g2 bio which states the only person he was not able to put in handcuff while part of the paramilitary police of balam was G1 who was the commander of the furlong fleet and noted to be g2 rival.
Its with this that in g1 profile that he state as the commander of the furlong armed fleet he took up the role as the redgun commander after this. Although it does not state why or when this happened.
However what backs this up is that he posted a bounty on balam bounty board with the stipulation that half of the reward money is to be distributed to his former comrades at furlong.
It all this that points to the war being between furlong and Balam however i don't think furlong won. In fact i would say that the war ended in either a deal between the corps or balam won the war and Michigan switched side seeing he could help his former comrades who at this point maybe struggling to find new job or injuries from the war between the pair. After all you can still be known as a hero even on the losing side.
@@armoredcorelore yeah thanks for going into it and I agree with the idea that Balam probably won the Jupiter war the only possible way to argue against that is that Michigan is called the hero of the war but imo you can still be a hero but lose the war
@@thatoneguyyouthinkshouldbe2431 Happy to although i think someone already cover all this anyway in the comments. But i would agree you can have heroes on the losing side we have a few example in our own history.
Balam weapons and parts are good but it doesnt rival the sheer power of the bad fall
Who knows, rusty may not have killed him. Rusty might have explained who was going to be sent after him.
Who knows? I think something that the joy of these games we see history from different perspectives.
@@armoredcorelore absolutely buddy
wish we coulda joined Michigan in a few more field trips :(
Maybe we need some dlc. Fromsoftware get on that.
damn, that was an enexpected deep analitics
I admit i have to reread this comment twice.
@@armoredcorelore now that i reread it myself, yeah i see it...sry
@@merouanebelaroussi9706 Ha ha no sorry needed. I appreciate your comment and hope to hear form you again.
If 621 accepted to become Redguns member by G6 Red, 621 is now granted with call sign G13 Raven and the AC is called TENDERFOOT.
Its nice but we don't have any evidence to support it. I like the story idea but again it was a pre order bonus so the question is do we count it as lore or do we see it as an extra for a game.
next time: Red Guns
Aren't they from ac2? One of the up and coming corps on mars?
Ah Sorry but balam is a whole new corporation of ac6 far from the timeline of Balena . But i like the ac past knowledge on show.
More, please.
Already on it =)
Wake up honey, Armored Core Lore dropped a new lore video
I feel bad with everyone waking up babe or honey.
I like Balam. I’d invest
Well not into the Rubicon project i hope.
@@armoredcorelore If only I were still oblivious to the events of Armored Core 6.. 🤣🤣
But here’s a important question where is redgun members 8-12
That is a good question and one we may get in dlc or it might be forever unknown. Let's hope not, but you never know.
If there is one weapon that makes BALAM the prime fighting force
*Its ZIMMERMAN*
Give every Raven Zimmermans and we would take back Rubicon-3
So this is how the great raven revolution started.
balam would destroy both arequebus and PC if they equip every redgun with dual zimms
More loreeee
Always more lore.
Reminds me of GA
I see why. i can see a sunshine in there.
@@armoredcorelore The emblems too sort of. Look at the Redguns emblem and even kinda the Balam one. Reminds me of basically a variation of the GA symbol style sorta. Not one to one of course but I feel like they had to have used that as inspiration on purpose since Balam and GA both sorta feel similar as the 'murica' corporations in their respective games.
@@nunyabusiness7942 yeah not one to one but i can see where your coming from.
They're the American.
Salam Balam
More
Already in the pipeline.
@@armoredcorelore good to here
@@armoredcorelore :)
If there was an ending for siding with the corporations, I'd pick it every time if it meant I could chill with the Redguns
Feeling the red gun love here.
A sum up of the game is not lore, you know
Which is why there is a story of ac6 video which explains the story of the game and then these little videos that pick at the little bits of information and history from the story and shine a light on them. Highlighting corporations, thier acs and the people who work for them.
Yes Another sleep story
It seems strange that we are usually called Raven but now we are called 621
We are called Raven. 621 is the serial number, not a callsign
@@axxa5000 our codename is C4-621 which means we are the 621 individual to undergo the generation 4 surgery, it kinda is a serial number but it's definitly also our callsign among the Walter Hounds since that's how Sulla, Carla and Walter referred to the past ones
kendo, bro, did you even play the game
Cus we stole the callsign Raven in the tutorial in order to get jobs and avoid detection from the PCA, our true identity is C4-621
All things considered, the certification to become a raven is to defeat an enemy AC. We may have stolen the call sign, but we earn our wings well enough
First
Damn💀