30,000 Lbs Monster Tow Test: 2020 Ford F-350 vs GMC Sierra 3500 - Drag Racing & Tow Off!
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We live in a world where stock 1 Ton trucks hit 60 in 7 seconds. Life is good
1 ton ? you mean 3 tons right?
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@@devincrenshaw3802 yeah well start from 2.5
2 ton trucks getting there in 5.5 🤯😲
..and get decent milage..lol
"Why drag race dualies?"
BECAUSE AMERICA
its spelled 'Merica
Because its America we drag race everything. 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
@@Olds_Pwr the United States didnt become the superpower it is today from laziness.
@Mike Sienicki Boomers, the spoiled generation following WWII, paved the way to our nation becoming lazier and fixated on money and entertainment. That generation started a trend of entitlement that has followed each subsequent generation. It's not entirely their fault, their parents didnt want them to endure hardships like the Great Depression and WWII, so they didn't experience the hardships that make people strong.
But to simply call millennials lazy and blame them for everything is foolish. Sure, some are mush brained meatbags, but that's a minority of the generation. The Boomers were called that by their parents and grandparents, as men grew their hair to long lengths, women dressed started to dress how they wanted and express sexuality, kids were experimenting with all sorts of drugs, and were starting to discount the idea of God. It's just blatantly ignorant to blame the downfall of America on a single generation when older generations still typically hold the power and wealth, that historically, every generation has had its problems, but the notions of hard work have been passed down through many families.
Youre projecting blame onto groups of people that are only part of the problem. You yourself are mush brained if you truly believe that immigrants (I have several immigrant friends and they work harder and are more honest than most of my American ones) and millennials have ruined this country. Foolish
Check out Cleetus McFarland's "Freedom Factory".
This was a very good review. Well done boys. I need neither of these trucks for my 11-mile commute to my desk job but I watched this nonetheless.
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Everyone has to go to home depot once a year...
What's sad is alot of people here in my city dont even have hitches on their truck of course no tool box and you'll see these nancy boys wearing a suit driving it.... it's pretty sad who the majority of new truck owners are, that's also why they started putting speakers in a bed and a sun roof on a truck, so many useless things that Jack the price up. They haven't made a normal truck since 2010.
And also they started manufacturing 4ft beds more than they used too for that reason, hardly anyone getting a truck now actually uses it for work, the next 1 I have to buy I cant even get a manual and I'm paying for a bunch of wuss features a truck should never have. Thanks to all you sissies that think they're cool cause they drive a truck.
@kyle groth well dang ol yeehaw derrrr takin errrrr jobs
@@Ozziepapi ok
Finally! I’ve found a truck test channel that isn’t biased
"EPA doesn't rate these trucks, TFL Does!"
EPA can go violate themselves. They don't rate the trucks but they regulate the ever loving shit out of them. Without them these trucks would be pulling more and doing it at 15 MPG (edit: and more reliably).
@@SergePupko they'd also have more power, which would make them more efficient, which would emit less emissions.
Kyle Kenan especially with a proper tune!
@@kylekenan2321 I don't think thats right, if it makes more power, it emits more emissions.
@@kappajohns5416 not necessarily. If it already has extra power, it won't work the engine as hard and consume as much fuel as it would if it was smaller and running harder.
What I thought was missing was a 0-60 time with the loaded trailers. Be interesting to see how long it takes to get it up to highway speed
at that weight, it's pull the trailer apart. to much power 😁
My 2019 Kenworth T680 has a lifetime MPG (for 143,000 miles) of 8.05. I usually get about 200 mpg for DEF. With ONLY 30,000 lbs behind me I get over 9 MPG. My truck has a 15 liter Cummins X15 (400 HP/1750 LB FT TORQUE) with a 12 speed automated manual transmission.
I know, apples to water melons.
Well, considering the cubic inch difference in the X15 15 L vs. a 6.7 L, your X15 gets better mileage per liter of displacement in a big way. They are putting those Cummins 6.7 in motor homes these days, I wonder how they are doing on grades, going up and going down.
So why this obsession with mega pickups? Frustrated boys, wishing they were big truck drivers?
@Nigel Braithwaite and the worst part is when you lift a diesel truck you reduce your tow rating. You rely on a drop hitch. Might as well drive a car then
My Cummins 600hp Kenworth almost gets that if I drive it!!
@@Predator27007 lol as someone who's younger brother and dad drive semis, I don't need to have an obsession with trucks , but I do need to haul/tow the absurd amount of tools I use to work on said diesels.
I'm assuming you were talking about short bed, lifted trucks with coaling tunes.
Man.... where i live in North TX you can still buy a pretty decent house for 80K
Yep. In Ohio or Indiana you can get two of them for that much.
@J Medrano Leave it to an idiot to state the obvious. Here I thought the least expensive homes were in only the most desirable areas.
Cyumadbro summit it aint as bad if you live about 30 minutes from a major city like Cincinnati or Columbus
Getting to expensive ,I'm in Dallas 80,000 is a 2 room 900sq fixerupper . Taxes are skyhigh
Where I live in California that’s a months rent
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Funny! Thank you for watching!
@@TFLtruck TFL should get an award form the Colorado tourism board. The amount of foreigners who have come to Colorado just to drive the infamous Ike gauntlet is staggering. It's on my todo list for my next visit stateside.
You need to do a drag race loaded
I suspect the Ford would win by an even larger gap in a loaded drag race given its torque advantage.
@@nathanmcdonald610 thanks, hopefully if we comment and like enough TFL will oblige us.
Agreed!
EXACTLY!!!!
This is the whole reason I watched the video! What a let down!
I’m so glad I own a diesel that doesn’t use def!
Def isn't the issue, it's the DPF and EGR!
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk One less thing he needs to pay for. I agree with the OP.
Neo Smith yea, I'll give you that.
Lb7 still pulling
Agreed I got my lml deleted. To h3LL with the DEF
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Awesome video! TFL is becoming one of the favorite parts of my weekend. I really liked that you guys measured DEF usage in this video. I’m looking forward to seeing more 7.3l and Trail Boss videos as well.
I honestly think I'd rather step up to the F450 just to get the tighter turning radius.
True, but you lose cargo capacity and towing capacity (5th wheel and gooseneck) compared to the F-350.
James Velvet Really, why? Does it share the chassis with the 350 so all the stronger components just penalize it in weight?
Chuck Beef ..... yes. Frame rear of cab has more metal, and so on. Bigger brakes is a plus. The turn radius is the best! Everyone has their priorities, me, I chose the turn radius and brakes vs payload
@@ChuckBeefOG Yes, the gross weight is higher in the F450 and that eats into cargo and 5th wheel/gooseneck ratings. That is also why gas F 350's have higher cargo ratings than a 450.
@@rh-et2vv Indeed! That is why I'm also considering a 450 as a base for a truck camper. My struggle is that the F450 is not available in a Supercab. I don't want a crew and not sure a regular cab would work. A F450 regular cab is what I might end up with just because it would be so maneuverable.
I probably will never buy a heavy duty truck like this but I enjoy and appreciate the work you guys do to review them.
Man that ford is a monster
the gmc is tuned for fuel economy unfortunately lol
@@hugeCRSfan69 it was? It didn't get that trophy either lol
@@hugeCRSfan69 no the ford is just faster because it's more powerful, you chevy guys got some excuses I tell you
These trucks are damn near identical in performance and all you got out of this was "bUiLt FoRd ToUgH." 🤣
@@zach4321 Ford has much more power and much more torque...
You have to load it right to get that shaking out
Where would you want the load? It looked like they had it just forward of the axles. Maybe dead center?
Looked alittle too far forward to me with alot of sag/wip in the middle but I'm no expert.
James Vokral over the trailer axles, it needed to come back some
Excavator wasnt up far enough on the tongue
@@jamesvokral8247 weight should be on the trailer axles
I thank y’all for all you do. I have been watching your channel for some time and you do the best review of vehicle by far. Thank you and keep up the great work for us.
GMC:
Computer - 7.2 MPG
Calculated - 6.9 MPG
DEF - 185 MPG
F350:
Computer - 7.2 MPG
Calculated - 7.8 MPG
DEF - 169 MPG
GARBAGE.
@@wonaldgrump9654 I don't think it's that bad for hauling that much. For either truck.
Another thing though is the ford ran at night with less turbulent air off of the highway and not only that the air is a lot more cold at night which makes the engine run a little better
Xzvius that’s while hauling ? That’s not bad
@@gamewarmaster it wasnt 100f summer temps during the day....prob about 40f during the day with the snow i saw still hanging around
Always love getting a TFL notification when an F Series is involved. Ford POWER! Thanks guys from Australia
TFL you guys are the best truck review channel PERIOD. 👏👏
Thanks for the video, it took a lot of time to film all of this . Really like both trucks.
No wonder it was bouncy you guys drove down I-76. Fun stuff! Cheers!
Ford has come a long way in the diesel market ever since they started building their own engine. Ford is the only truck manufacturer that builds their own engine and transmission and they’re out performing the competition. Good job Ford
If i was in the market for a new heavy duty truck no doubt ill buy a Ford
GM builds their own engines also, their partnership with Isuzu ended a while back. They did own Allison back in the day, idk if they still do though.
@@BlackHawkBallistic The Duramax is an Isuzu engine and Allison transmission is owned by Allison GM does not build the power train in their HD truck
@@BlackHawkBallistic still an Isuzu
@@jasonamerica7618 thats right
Congratulations Andre on your permit.You can do it!I have had mine for 24yrs. now.
Ive had mine mor 12 years but im only 30.
You wouldnt catch me pulling 30,000lbs with a pick up truck, maybe in the prairies.
Thanks for all the time and effort you guys put into your real world reviews. Will you also do an empty MPG loop of the Ford, GM, and Ram dually's.
Always fun to watch Andre and Kent.
I am going to buy your truck book.
You guys have an awesome job. Like kids playing with their toys. Thanks for the info and entertainment.
5:08 noticed how the trailer is flopping up and down ,I think the trailer has the bouncing problem not the truck.
Yep 👍, they didn’t load it right. The weight is supposed to be over both axels...lol
@@chaosseat That's the first thing I thought as soon as they said it. Improper distribution will shake you and give you some white knuckles on the back roads.
I noticed the same thing. Tail of trailer was jumping all around.
To me it looked like the excavator was a little too far forward. I have been using gooseneck trailers now for a little over 20 years. They really don't seem to like a lot of tongue weight. But if these guys actually scaled the load it could be that was the correct placement.
In my opinion this is why I wouldn't buy this particular set up. A full size truck would ride much better than that.
@@texgarcia1958 I can't help but laugh when people say excavator. In my mind I'm saying trackhoe. I guess Andre is keeping it PC😅😅
I definitely consider drag racing important, so great job!
Great video well done. Can't wait to see what the NEW F- 600 Ford is like that's coming out
Use to drive one in the 70. Had a 5 speed plus that fun grinding 2 speed rear end.
Awesome video guys!
Wish I knew what truck pulled better with less jitter, and what was causing it too.
Keep them coming guys.
I wouldn’t be surprised that it’s coming
from the trailer and not the trucks
@@mwjnc Agree. I also wonder if it’s load placement. Having the load too far forward would create a similar situation with jerky movement.
great video guys as always!
Hello TFL,
Great video! God bless!
You guys are awesome. Very well made vids.
these trucks have come so far, at work we’ve got an 02 F-450 7.3L and it struggles to haul around a John Deere 35G
Dont let an ol timer with a 7.3 here that lol nothing pulls better than those haha
F'ing love your channel... Keep up the good work guys.
Drag race dually trucks??!! Absolutely!!!⭐⭐🏁🏁
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Another great video! What was the temperature difference between the two tests? I noticed the trailer bouncing a lot. Wonder if that was your problem, creating the rougher ride.
I love how competitive the market is. It benifets the consumer very well! 10 years ago, these trucks were doing about half of what these trucks can do where 10 years before that, it wasn't that big of a difference. Keep it you guys!
Nathan Salyers they were also half the price
@@justinw.2376 Yep. And you still see the old trucks actually working. Rarely, do I see a brand new rig working, extremely rarely. Why would I dish out 80-100k for a truck, not even a Class 4 truck at that mind you, when the 20 year old cummings does it just fine?
IVAO04ify more line any old truck does it just fine. Not even just cummins
@@justinw.2376 That's not true. If you compare similar configurations, prices are virtually unchanged.
It's hard to compare, because specs and standard features have been changed, but here's the best examples I could come up with.
In 2010 an F-350 4x4 Supercrew Dually XLT PSD was around $50,000 before options. Adjusted for inflation, that's around $58,000-$59,000 today. Well, a comparable new XLT 4x4 Supercrew Dually, according to Ford, is $59,275 before options. That's right around the same price for basically 2x the capability. Honestly, given the modern version at a at marginally higher price, I'd still take the new one! The old 6.4L PSD was junk. The mileage and reliability savings with the newer 6.7L would easily pay itself back in a short amount of time for me.
@@IVAO04ify And where is this? I see countless numbers of brand spankin' new trucks being worked every single morning of the work week. I have two parked in my drive way, ready for Monday. You think mainly lawyers and doctors buy these trucks?
Good review. The fuel mileage difference may be due to the Ford having free turning from hubs (lock/unlock hubs) and the GMC having always locked from hubs. The extra drag by the front axles could cause the mileage difference.
Was not expecting 7.8 at all. That could make a huge difference for a hot shotter, great real world test guys!
Andre is a legend on the start, if you see him at the light just let him go because your going to lose
Wow, 10-15% better fuel efficiency from the Ford seems unbelievable. Killed it on the drag race as well. Andre clearly is the better truck racer, he knows how to power brake for boost.
best part is the ford transmission in the GMC is the same it just Branded Allison transmission, the transmission GM gave to ford was a front wheel drive 9-speed and FORD said in a real nice way its crap and ford refuse to put it in there cars. so that just goes to tell you that FORD transmission has to be GOOD but how GREAT and LONG last it will be only TIME will tell, But it a BUY not lease.
@@williampisano7573 ford doesn't use DM's nine-speed Transmissions because they don't have a car left to put it in. They don't make Passenger cars anymore. They already had a transmission for the suvs. And the Mustang is rear wheel drive. That doesn't leave them enough options to have a reason to put it in anything.
The Ford is running super hot for better MPG and emissions,,, wait until summer.
@@williampisano7573 Not sure where you get you information maybe it's CNN. But you are the epitome of ignorant. But than again anyone who likes Ford fits in to that class quit well.
@ZeroCool you sound like my European family members, "if it's not Scottish it's GMC!"...
Like the video. When your hauling heavy like that and it's bucking move the weight a little more over the axles of the truck it will help with the bucking. As long as it's not too far forward. Also the way you had the load chained down is illegal. You can use one chain but it can't be pulling against itself. It has to have enough slack between mounting points and not pulling against itself to be considered "two separate chains". Other than that its was a good video. Waiting to see a comparison between the Ram vs Ford
Excellent test! The Duramax has a larger bore but shorter stroke than Ford's engine. Perhaps the longer stroke was able to eek out better fuel mileage at the ~1600 RPM range that both engines appeared to be running. Last I saw, the Ford's peak torque was at a lower RPM than Chevy.
Great video. Thanks for doing the review. That stretch of the highway is atrocious whether you have a trailer or not. I drove it this summer a couple times. There isn't a smooth section for miles. You can see the trailer and non-towing truck bouncing around too.
Asleep at the wheel old man! Roman wake up!
🔥 the golden era of 🚚 20's has began
Keep up the good work guys
Will yall be doing an empty MPG loop with the duallys?! I'm very curious about that.
Great job here my friends!
Yet another awesome video.
Thanks guys- nice review. I purchased my 2020 GMC Sierra 2500 HD Diesel last March based on your reviews! It has been a great truck so far. My family and I traveled across the USA last summer pulling a 2020 Airstream Flying Cloud, 25Ft. The truck pulled the AS through the mountains as if there was nothing behind us!
Scott Yes I have always owned Ford's. My first 79. Then a 2000 with the 10 cylinder. When new on Freeway trip across state it got 15 MPG
Now driving around town it's like 8 or 9MPG. I do LOVE the look of the NEW GMC Trucks. I would switch brands. The Allison Tranny is so well built. It's proven itself in Garbage Truck usage. The GMC is the Cadillac Ride for Trucks. You have a great comfort Ride for what you do.
Please do yourself a favor ,put the fuel cap on before you pickup the DEF nozzle.It could be a 10k dollar mistake.
DeepDeep South huh
@@overboostedgarage8744 if someone accidently puts DEF into the fuel tank and runs the engine, it will damage the fuel system to the point of needing complete replacement.
DeepDeep South s
I've done it. With hotel stay in a small town during the repair , the damage was more than that
I’m surprised those nozzles are the same size to avoid that exact thing from happening? Good point.
Interesting results. Couple of notes/questions: 1.) 64.9 miles divided by 8.442 is 7.4688 miles per gallon. 2.) Appears to be conducted at different times of day/outdoor temps, impact on results?
I think the colder pavement makes a difference too
To accurately test the def consumption, you may consider having both trucks do a regeneration prior to fueling. My thought is if one has recently run its regeneration and the other has not could sway def test. Not a gripe jUst a thought. Great job of being as unbiased as possible.
Nice testing guys
Also when you haul a 308 spin it around and get the weight towards the truck it will help with the ride alot. Plus you can curl the boom more and lower your overall height
Would love a new truck but prices are outrageous. I bought a dozer and towed it, 24k from WV across Ohio in my 96 7.3, zf5 with 400k on it, three weeks ago. Got 12.9 MPG. Guess I'll stick with what I got.
Absolutely, they’re simply asinine. Especially for a truck that’ll probably blow a head gasket inside 100,000mi
Yep, we get better mileage from out 01 than our 14 duramax and we don't have to deal with DEF and post bailout GM problems quarterly. The only downside is the 6 speed is nice for highway and the exhaust brakes on the new trucks are a game changer.
Awesome show again...1 tip is to make sure no residue goes in Def tank.
You would take a lot of that bucking away if you moved the excavator ahead but then you may exceed your gvwr. I have this identical setup basically and I decided to buy a 550 and it’s 19,500 gvwr. Handles the load great.
very helpful & informative test thanks guys I would be very interested in seeing the Ram 3500 vs the F350
Really thought the new DMAX/10 speed Allison was go to steal the show this year. Glad to see the new 7.3 and 6.7 leading the way.
GM 10 speed isn't really an Allison, in house transmission rebranded as an Allison.
Interesting video and always entertaining
My uncle hauls big hay bales with his gooseneck 5th wheel, and his 2006 F-350 King Ranch DRW with the 6.0 (bulletproofed) and the weights always around 33k. One time his co worker overloaded him, and my uncle went to the scales and it came out to 42k.
let's go been waiting for this match up.
Awesome review guys! I would love to see a real towing cost of use between 7.3 gas vs 6.7 diesel in the same F series model. Set up trailer for maximum towing weight in the 7.3 and use that same towing weight in the 6.7. Compare the mpg between the two along with cost of fuels, def, and if possible the cost of oil changes to compare the real world towing cost. With that info if you want to calculate the additional cost of the diesel engine vs gas and how many miles it would take to break even that would be cool too. Thanks TFL!
Most videos will show the diesel uses less fuel but they never compare the actual cost of gas being cheaper.
All you need is the mpg comparison. The rest is simple math you can do yourself.
Nobody wants to see little ford trucks towing
Jamie Webb most HD trucks w/ big V8’s require premium fuel. Meaning the gas is not cheaper
@@josephcreed7 aww did ford hurt you're feelings
I watched this video to help be the tie breaker, i ended up ordering a 2022 F350 Lariat due in part to this review, thanks guys!
About the bouncing, I think your mpg loop is on I76 starting in Hudson. Some parts of I76 the joints are spaced such that this can happen depending upon wheel base and spring rate. I've had it happen in my 1/2 ton with a lot less weight
11:43 Well thought out in having TWO cameras, just in case it's hard to see. Awesome
10:43 this man is just living his life come on Roman 😂😂😂😂😂
You guys have the best job ever
Love the channel guys! But one thing, I can’t remember if you said the F450 was a cab chassis or not, but anything past the F350 has the same towing capacity if I’m not mistaken. Otherwise love the reviews
F40 comes with a pu bed and has a higher towing capacity due to larger brakes and components... I love my F450,,, rides so smooth, especially with Platinum trim
Have you considered checking DPF levels and whether or not the trucks go into Regen during the test?
Good question. My 17 duramax can go about 5000 miles on a tank of DIF. My 18 cummins is about the same. Both are pulling trailers daily.
No one ever mentions that you can get a 48 Gallon tank in the Ford super duties but only 36 Gallons in the Chevs. Towing range is much further with the Ford too.
cpt awesome ya they did as a matter of fact
cpt awesome 17:08
THOSE trucks looks amazing
Great videos boys!! Can't wait to see what the RAM results are going to be!
Appreciate the videos! Keep them coming! Good video! Good comparison. The Ford has 3.55 gears, and the GMC has 3.42 gears right? Both trucks are very nice. I really like that trailer as well.
That different gear ratio is the .9 mpg difference ...but should make better mpg than the Ford unloaded I'm guessing?
Don't forget, the transmission gear ratios play a part in that too. Not just the rear end
Me Kent was in slow mo during the drag race lol
I love Andre's method of signaling a start to the drag race lol
Black trucks matter
Great video I can't wait for f350 vs GM 3500 vs Dodge 350 dullys drag race so keep up the good work guys
You want to do a video to help people, do one on fixing the emissions equipment after they fail.
So the ford is faster, more powerful. And more fuel efficient? Not surprised !
And mor gayest
@@ezurmndsomeone was mad
Good review.
Good stuff
“I’m a bit of an under dog in this race” because I have a GMC
Awesome vid!
Another great comparison especially since they included the "DF" fluid mileage as Andre calls it.😂
Vibration looks like an issue with the trailer suspension.
The trailer is flexing and bending causing the bouncing.
I knew I recognized where you guys are. Is that Hudson where you guys are filling up
Now that you brought up CDL, you guys should go into details on what is required on the truck, and more important, how you are getting away from not having DOT numbers on the trucks when running these tests. A walk through on Private vs Commercial hauling would be appreciated.
You guys should get a simple obd 2 live data reader for some extra info, like what gear the truck is in, etc.
That ford is beautiful 😍
Dude! That GMC looks 10 times better and I'm a ford fan!
@@Hugo-py2ce what the hell no the GMC looks super bloated the Ford has proper proportions all of GM's recent designs have been trash there Camaro was so bad they had to redesigned before they were even hitting dealerships lol. What's better about the GMC?
@@armandomorales3809 ford looks way better imo.
@Hvac 2001 The current generation of GM trucks look like a step backwards compared to their previous counterparts. They look bloated and over complicated to me. That’s just my opinion though.
Stupid squareish wheel wells! Also never thought GM's tow mirrors could get uglier, then this happened!🤮 Looks like a bad copy of a Ford. And the Silverado was just born with Benjamin Button disease!
Very nice cap Mr. Truck !
The drag race shows who is the best, Andre.
The Ike Gauntlet test already showed the Ford is quite a bit more efficient. Yes, the MPG number was identical in that test but remember it got the same work done quite a bit faster. That is the definition of efficiency.
If I was rich I'd have that ford over a mercedes lol
Me too Ruben you're a smart young man
@Tom Wetz I'm from Belgium... 😅
If your dad was rich, he wouldn't have had you with that fugly wild animal you call a mother.
Mercedes doesn't make a dually. They do make a 6x6. I would have that over any Ford truck. But it's still not the same class of truck though. As for working on my car, yes I do. I don't trust anyone working on any of my cars/trucks. I use to have an Ford Lightning. I did all the work to it. The only thing it went to the stealership for was the recall on the brake master cylinder. I tried to talk them into giving me the inline fuse & I would install it myself but they wouldn't. I also have a Explorer Limited & a Fiero GT with a motor swap that I do all the work & maintenance on. My CL55 AMG is a very reliable car. No major issues with it. Ford does make some new stuff that isn't bad. If I had to buy a dually for some crazy reason I would buy a Ford. But all Chevy's cars & trucks since the late 90's to early 2000's have all been just crap. It started right before they became government motors. Always quality & design issues with them. They never admit they got it wrong too. They try to hide their mistakes like the ignition switches when they got the manufacturer to make a new improved switch but use the same part number as the old defective one so they wouldn't be blamed for the deaths of all those people. That's just dirty! All of the Government Motor products suck. Also personally I do not think any new car or truck are worth the money. They are waaaayyyy over priced.
Ruben Braekman if most people were smart they wouldn’t buy any modern Mercedes automobiles .