I know! I’ve been waiting for these to drop since I’ve owned my ‘08 GX470 since new, and I never liked the styling or the sluggishness / mass of the GX460’s since they weighed so much more than the 470 model with almost no extra power. This one with all that torque should be excellent, and the whole package is so much more appealing!
In the near future when you guys have one in your facility you need to put it against the Defender into a extremely annoying hard course to see which is better.
The $81,000 price tag you guys spoke about was for the Overtrail +. The extra $8,000 for the plus gives you those massaging seats, and a few other niceties, but I would rather spend that money on improving off road performance with after market accessories. The standard GX-550 Overtrail has a Base MSRP of $67,900. When I configured that model with Atomic Silver & Black Onyx $350, Wireless Charger $75, Cool Box $170, No Moonroof -$1100, Black Emblem Overlays $199, Roof Rack $1580, Rock Rails $990, All-Weather Cargo mat $150, ARB Twin Portable Compressor $990 and the Delivery-Processing & Handling fee of $1350, it came out to a Total of $72,654. I placed a $1000 deposit with my local Lexus dealer to get on the list for an Overtrail. I'm number 18 on the list, but number 3 for the Overtrail model. If the dealer receives something close the model I described above, I'll snatch it up and never look back!
Yep agree with you. BTW, I also placed a deposit with my dealer in June 15th for an Overtail but they seem in the dark about where I’m at in the list or how long the list is… etc. Would be nice to know approx what number I am.
@@Superdada: I suggest you tell them you want to know your place on the list or you will move your deposit to a more accommodating dealer. My guess is the mystery will be quickly solved.
Do you know if Lexus dealers are screwing people over with surprise market adjustments and not honoring contracts such as Toyota dealers with all the desirable vehicles? I'm looking at this for next year as my first Toyota/Lexus vehicle. I'm in Texas if it matters.
@@shootloadrepeat: Where I live the Toyota dealers are charging 5K to 10K over MSRP. My Lexus dealer is selling at MSRP. This means that the Land Cruiser will cost nearly the same as the Lexus. Go figure.
@@frankburch5104 what is your dealer’s name and in what city? I asked to make a deposit but as refused since the dealer doesn’t know its allocation yet. 😣
Tommy has clearly matured to be a more relevant car journalist than his dad, the direction of his narrative and questions is more relevant and in rhythm with present times ;)
Yeah Tommy is one of my favorite car reviewers because he is obviously trying to be as robust, thorough and objective as possible. He sounds like he's constantly trying to listen to the viewers questions and trying to imagine what we would care about.
I think Tommy is the best at legitimate information. However do truly appreciate the father son dynamic. I think Roman does do a great job of representing his generation. Keep up the great job fellas!
Im glad that the overtrail doesnt have a third row. I travel a lot with my dogs and we keep them crated when in the car and I prefer the few inches of rear window clearance than a thrid row.
Don’t bet on it 😆. I’m hoping an SR5 4x4 will be below $40k, but that’s not gonna happen I’m sure. If it’s within $7k of the new Land Cruiser, I’ll probably just save a bigger down payment and go for that
Seeing how the Tacoma is now starting in the mid to high $30k. 4runner that people want is Definitely going to be high $40k or mid $50k. Not even considering if the dealerships want to add the it's cool market upcharge to it
The big plus for the GX is the turbo V6 non-hybrid over the 4banger hybrid on the Land Cruiser and the new 4Runner. Plus, unlike a Defender, you don’t have to have the service department’s tow service on speed dial.
II don't drive enough annually to care much gas mileage. This mileage is actually worse than my current SUV that I need to replace. At $4/gallon the difference would be $350 to me. And since I won't be really doing any serious off roading I don't care. I like the overtrail because there is no 3rd row maximizing cargo space in this size vehicle. The cargo space is key for me.
I love your banter as you discuss / review what you're driving. I'd also like to see some behind the scenes at these press events. I noticed Ryan Douthit driving behind you in the desert parade, it would be cool to see a few minutes of some of you folks talking together with a cup of coffee and hanging out during a break at one of these events. And to have an idea how it all works, in general. What's it like talking to the camera with a spokesman sitting quietly in the car with you? I think that would be a fascinating 1 - 3 minutes to add to the end of some of these videos. Thanks for posting and keep it up!
I love cars and trucks, follow the different TFL channels, enjoy the videos and the info you guys provide, but had to say that I had a lot of fun watching this one. I felt that this would probably be the one video that would capture the dynamics between me and my son driving together and having a conversation just about anything.
Thank you for making the statement that these new turbo charged engines can almost mimic a v8 torque curve. Its crazy how many people dont realize that.
19:45 on the GX I’ve owned I immediately removed the low profile tires and replaced with off-road tires. What I found was that a low profile tires had too quick of a steering response and gave the vehicle and unstable feeling. The new off-road tires dulled that response and it felt perfect. It’s almost like the engineers of the Prada designed the vehicle for the latter
The E-KDSS system is the big difference and why the overtrail+ rides better than all the other variants. Such a shame it’s not standard or even the legacy KDSS system would still be better than not having it.
They're in an Overtrail+. I built a regular Overtrail and with adding on Rock sliders and a roof rack it was like $71,500. Not bad if you ask me. Definitely a bummer that only the Overtrail plus gives the option of the Mark Levinson sound system.
@@jesmor3, same. I'm not going to pay it but I would love to have it. An extra 10k just for a sound system isn't worth it to me. I would never use the seat massager.
Tommy, thank you for feeding us overlanders. 100% people will be offroading these..at least here in boulder! ha. that is an impressive payload! It's as big as the outgoing LC200, i'm not surprised it can tow so much, it's NOT small.
I want this Overtrail review to be compared to the luxury and premium - particularly on road driving differences with one having e-kdss and the others omitting. That is the biggest ommission and I’m not certain the AVS is enough to compensate.
Have we ever found out just what Toyota (and Subaru) did to Roman when he was a child? I guess we should be proud of him just being able to sit inside and keep his snarky/apathetic/petty comments to a thin minimum.
Thanks Tommy for the payload numbers 👍. May not overland it right away, but that number helps solidify the usable towing capacity and in the future, who knows, more payload gives more options.
Yeah, that’s a serious issue and it’s just one example of Toyota screwing around with the options on this new GX - the other is the E-KDSS, as it’s available on the Overtrail line only - the old GX had KDSS standard across the lineup and that helped body roll significantly, particularly on road, as with it you can use thicker sway bars to help the ride quality. Same with the ML sound system - this was available at much lower price points on the old GX.
I love when Roman and Tommy are doing a car review they don’t hold back on one another and it’s probably because their father and son. For 80 K I think his thing is not a bad deal for what you get. I would take this over a sequoia and look at jeep, they are not cheap probably the same price and there’s no comparison to reliability, resale value, etc. The big plus is you get Lexus service.
I’ll be one of the first 5000 Overtrail owners and it will certainly be taken off road. If I weren’t taking delivery the week after the 2024 Toyota Jamboree, it would be there on the trails.
20:21 Tommy - I really thought you were going to see how the extra width affects the ease of parking! I was so excited because, at least where I am in CA, the vehicles keep getting wider and the parking spots keep staying the same! One of the many reasons I love my ‘22 GX.
Already done. 250 series shares the exact platform as the 300 series so all the suspension goodies from dobinson, OME, Icon 4x4, King etc is already on the market.
The wheel well size is the more important thing. Te suspension isn't the limiting factor on tire size on Toyota's it's the size of the wheel well. That's what Tommy was talking about when he referenced chopping bits of the frame.
This is an IFS vehicle so suspension isn’t going to get you bigger tires in the front without a loss of articulation The back can do that but that’s the advantage of live axels
I know the V6 twin turbo has more horsepower and torque than the old 4.7 but does it have the longevity?? Only time will tell. Always a good day when I see TFL is on. Thanks for what you do.
Curious how easy it will be to lift the vehicle for better ground clearance. Is the Lexus KDSS system an impediment to doing that? And if so, then to what extent? The KDSS system on the Toyota 4Runner limits the amount of additional lift that can be added.
Nice review. I was planning on getting a Land Cruiser but the mark up has begun. I can’t see paying near Lexus price and not getting a Lexus. That said, my local deal said they won’t mark up the G X. If that’s the case then I am definitely grabbing this guy.
the GX will be able to take an aftermarket lift ( which 100% of opel that will off road this will do ) so it will have higher ground clearance AND ride nice while at that height...unlike an air suspension system at the highest setting that rides like welded suspension from the lack of travel by being at the limit of the travel all the way up.
I dont get why Roman is bashing the vehicle for the solid rear axle. This is exactly what everyone wants to see. Smaller than full size segment SUVs with off-road ability. Solid rear allows for much cheaper and better off-roading aftermarket currently.
Roman, you are über right. I remember 1st model of Lexus RX on the cover of German car magazine and they were calling it ÜBER AUTO in capital letters. Tommy, it’s called "Licencia Poetica"
unlike the British competition; this one got a real locking center diff. and if you ever parked inclined near a cliff, you want a real center locking diff... in my region we have the 300 series land cruiser and the '24 70 series land cruiser and I am choosing the GX550 over both!
These reviews on all the new Toyota/Lexus vehicles have been great. Will be very excited when they are not so "directed" by Toyota themselves, which them choosing the location, trail, etc.
Dumping my 4 runner for new GX!!! 😊😊😊 great video enjoying this coverage and Roman and general conversations with the son is nice as well. camera work outside shots is great!!🎉🎉
4 runner Limited. dual zone AC/heating, individually controlled heated/cooled front seats, roll down rear hatch window, moon roof, locking center Dif, full time 4 wheel drive, 20 inch tires, A Track, premium sound system, 6 cylinder (proven to be super reliable) engine. I think I'll stay with the Limited 4 runner. Does everything I need an SUV to do............
I have to agree with Roman.. most people aren’t taking this vehicle over landing or through difficult offroad situations. I think the new Land Cruiser is going to be a better platform for overlanding.
I will stick with what I said in Ryans video from a couple days prior about this thing, it is interesting, but not worth trading in my 4R TRD OR. But if you are for some reason cross shopping between this and the new 4R, I might consider this over the new 4R. Would have to do a deeper review when the new 4R comes out.
Possible to insert dividers in this video and insert a index, organized by your talking points (i.e. off road capabilities, interior, exterior, final thoughts, etc.) and time stamps?
In hope your future videos preface the Defender woes you had in its/your early videos; stranded for tires, etc. I’m glad you run the production wheels, etc.
This video shows the overt plus model, with more options, so the price is very high On the Lexus configurator, I was able to price the Overtrail with some essential options for $72,000
I think the GX has the detuned 3.5l TTV6 that is in the Tundra SR (Work truck). The specs sound identical. Hopefully translates into the grade of reliability expected from outgoing 4.6V8 in the 460.
Loved seeing y'all out in my old stomping ground in the Sonoran Desert! A nice truck I'll never be able to afford (at least not in this decade). Now get that first-gen Sequoia and run it all over the desert! ;)
if i had the money to replace/upgrade from my 2014 4Runner... 1. this GX Overtrail... 2. an LC200 Heritage model 3. a newer 4Runner TRD Pro... that's it...that's the list.
Have to disagree with Roman. I've seen a lot of 392 Wranglers and a few Bronco Raptors out on the trails. By the time those are built out they have $120K plus in them. There are definitely Lexus fans who are going to be lining up to go exploring in one of these. This is the same crowd that will drop a quarter mil on a 4X Sprinter van and take it out, bend things and scratch the crap out of it. They will pay for what they want.
Unfortunately the reliability argument only makes sense if you are purchasing or financing. When you lease a car that argument doesn’t hold up as well. Lease prices for new gx will be significantly higher than the outgoing model.
Someone correct me, but I don't think the panoramic opens. I'd rather have the regular sunroof like on this, I assume opening, but I don't think it's available on those other trims. My question would be just that, can we not order just the regular sunroof on the other trims?
Hope Lexus offers dealer installed off road upgrades like a 2” suspension lift, 17” off road rims, 35” tires, steel front and rear bumpers, winch, off road lights, etc.
Looks good but there's a lot of front and rear overhang. No way the approach/departure angles will be better than a Defender. At least it will likely be more reliable.
@@ScoobyFermentation Yep, I realized that too. I'm dumb. But looking at what the "+" gives you.... I remember why I didn't price it. Didn't add anything I thought was valuable.
Ya, my LC200 cost quite a bit more and yes it does go off road and is an amazing Overlander. Since we don’t get a real Land Cruiser here any longer I am looking at the GX550 to add to our fleet. It has its pluses and minuses, but once the aftermarket kicks in, it could be a great off roader. Looked at the Inios Granadier, that’s a complete non starter though🤷♂️. Anyhow, great video and looking forward to you getting to do a real test off road with it.
I’m 6”4” and fit real comfortably in the Captains Chair of the Defender, especially with a 1.5 suspension lift and BFG 33’s. The rear seats fold flat and have rear locking differentials, it’s a Beast and very comfortable offroad. Me thinks a bit more rugged than the Lexus, especially with the approach and departure angles coupled with a Strong Turbo 7 speed 6 cylinder engine. I bought the 2023 model, waited to get the kinks out .
I bought a '21 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk new in 2/21 with the Protech II package for $42.5k. At this point, I feel like I stole it! These new luxury off-road SUVs are getting insanely expensive.
Shouldn’t this trim have recovery hooks, rock rail instead of running boards, front bumper that accepts a winch? For the money i would think the people buying this trim would rather have those than the sunroof, high end stereo system etc…
Lexus is targeting this at the mall-crawl crowd that want to be able to do some weekend camping. While 33's are nice, the running boards will keep this thing off trails where a more serious 4WD vehicle is necessary. The aftermarket will tailor to those looking to do a "build" and get more serious around off roading.
I agree on the dash. I would go for the Lexus quality but here in Europe all rich people go for the Defender and use it as a city car. So they'll go for the 20+ inch wheels.
I'll be interested to see how big of a tire you can fit in that wheel well. While the rear diff locker is awesome, I need the 3rd row and may opt to go with their base model (Premium?) then add a lift and tires.
I like this a lot. However, I wish Toyota would put their reliability behind an old-school offroader. Body on frame, solid axles, NA V6, with a V8 option for extra $$$, locking diffs, and manual disconnecting swaybar. They might put the Wrangler out of business...
In terms of competition, Tommy is square on. Despite the Brit appeal of the Defender, total cost of ownership is so much better with the Toyota product. Resale alone makes the Lexus worth it. Would like to see a bit tougher off-roading.
He had mentioned in his review that he was following Roman and Tommy 😂 I'm a little surprised TFL didn't have this video out as soon as the embargo lifted.
Excited to see this!!
I know! I’ve been waiting for these to drop since I’ve owned my ‘08 GX470 since new, and I never liked the styling or the sluggishness / mass of the GX460’s since they weighed so much more than the 470 model with almost no extra power. This one with all that torque should be excellent, and the whole package is so much more appealing!
In the near future when you guys have one in your facility you need to put it against the Defender into a extremely annoying hard course to see which is better.
The $81,000 price tag you guys spoke about was for the Overtrail +. The extra $8,000 for the plus gives you those massaging seats, and a few other niceties, but I would rather spend that money on improving off road performance with after market accessories. The standard GX-550 Overtrail has a Base MSRP of $67,900. When I configured that model with Atomic Silver & Black Onyx $350, Wireless Charger $75, Cool Box $170, No Moonroof -$1100, Black Emblem Overlays $199, Roof Rack $1580, Rock Rails $990, All-Weather Cargo mat $150, ARB Twin Portable Compressor $990 and the Delivery-Processing & Handling fee of $1350, it came out to a Total of $72,654. I placed a $1000 deposit with my local Lexus dealer to get on the list for an Overtrail. I'm number 18 on the list, but number 3 for the Overtrail model. If the dealer receives something close the model I described above, I'll snatch it up and never look back!
Yep agree with you.
BTW, I also placed a deposit with my dealer in June 15th for an Overtail but they seem in the dark about where I’m at in the list or how long the list is… etc.
Would be nice to know approx what number I am.
@@Superdada: I suggest you tell them you want to know your place on the list or you will move your deposit to a more accommodating dealer. My guess is the mystery will be quickly solved.
Do you know if Lexus dealers are screwing people over with surprise market adjustments and not honoring contracts such as Toyota dealers with all the desirable vehicles? I'm looking at this for next year as my first Toyota/Lexus vehicle. I'm in Texas if it matters.
@@shootloadrepeat: Where I live the Toyota dealers are charging 5K to 10K over MSRP. My Lexus dealer is selling at MSRP. This means that the Land Cruiser will cost nearly the same as the Lexus. Go figure.
@@frankburch5104 what is your dealer’s name and in what city?
I asked to make a deposit but as refused since the dealer doesn’t know its allocation yet. 😣
Tommy has clearly matured to be a more relevant car journalist than his dad, the direction of his narrative and questions is more relevant and in rhythm with present times ;)
Roman says he’s extremely proud of Tommy and his work!
Yeah Tommy is one of my favorite car reviewers because he is obviously trying to be as robust, thorough and objective as possible. He sounds like he's constantly trying to listen to the viewers questions and trying to imagine what we would care about.
@@TFLoffroadRoman is still very entertaining to watch, love the dynamic between them.
When did it become a competition?
I vote Roman for keeping it true ti the average consumer
I think Tommy is the best at legitimate information. However do truly appreciate the father son dynamic. I think Roman does do a great job of representing his generation. Keep up the great job fellas!
Tommy is giving off too many Doug Demuro vibes. That’s not a compliment.
Im glad that the overtrail doesnt have a third row. I travel a lot with my dogs and we keep them crated when in the car and I prefer the few inches of rear window clearance than a thrid row.
yes lot better cargo space over the sequoia TRD PRO the cargo space is a joke with the 3rd row folded down
@@youtubecarspottersguide1wait for the hybrid version of this.. hopefully they will have learned their packaging lesson.
A gimmick anyway.
That is a good looking SUV, can’t wait for 4-Runner which I may be able to afford.
Don’t bet on it 😆. I’m hoping an SR5 4x4 will be below $40k, but that’s not gonna happen I’m sure. If it’s within $7k of the new Land Cruiser, I’ll probably just save a bigger down payment and go for that
Seeing how the Tacoma is now starting in the mid to high $30k. 4runner that people want is Definitely going to be high $40k or mid $50k. Not even considering if the dealerships want to add the it's cool market upcharge to it
There's $12,000 difference between the starting forerunner and the starting GX. It's not that far out of your ballpark
The big plus for the GX is the turbo V6 non-hybrid over the 4banger hybrid on the Land Cruiser and the new 4Runner. Plus, unlike a Defender, you don’t have to have the service department’s tow service on speed dial.
4Runner’s are going to run will pass 40k with this economy
If you're spending nearly $90k for an SUV, you're not too concerned with fuel economy.
Yes and no...I don't like having to stop frequently.
When u going offroad u do care about guel economy
If you're buying an off-roader you absolutely care about range
II don't drive enough annually to care much gas mileage. This mileage is actually worse than my current SUV that I need to replace. At $4/gallon the difference would be $350 to me. And since I won't be really doing any serious off roading I don't care. I like the overtrail because there is no 3rd row maximizing cargo space in this size vehicle. The cargo space is key for me.
I love your banter as you discuss / review what you're driving. I'd also like to see some behind the scenes at these press events. I noticed Ryan Douthit driving behind you in the desert parade, it would be cool to see a few minutes of some of you folks talking together with a cup of coffee and hanging out during a break at one of these events. And to have an idea how it all works, in general. What's it like talking to the camera with a spokesman sitting quietly in the car with you? I think that would be a fascinating 1 - 3 minutes to add to the end of some of these videos. Thanks for posting and keep it up!
I love cars and trucks, follow the different TFL channels, enjoy the videos and the info you guys provide, but had to say that I had a lot of fun watching this one. I felt that this would probably be the one video that would capture the dynamics between me and my son driving together and having a conversation just about anything.
Thank you for making the statement that these new turbo charged engines can almost mimic a v8 torque curve. Its crazy how many people dont realize that.
They do! It’s just not a v8 and a 4 cylinder turbo is lame.
@@lifeoutdoors3953 why is a turbo 4 lame? Please explain.
Mimic? U mean outperform
@@lonerider5315 in some cases yes absolutely
@@Likethetacosauce it’s sounds like crap that’s why. Like a Honda civic.
Great review and I love the father son back and forth banter!
19:45 on the GX I’ve owned I immediately removed the low profile tires and replaced with off-road tires. What I found was that a low profile tires had too quick of a steering response and gave the vehicle and unstable feeling. The new off-road tires dulled that response and it felt perfect. It’s almost like the engineers of the Prada designed the vehicle for the latter
The E-KDSS system is the big difference and why the overtrail+ rides better than all the other variants. Such a shame it’s not standard or even the legacy KDSS system would still be better than not having it.
They're in an Overtrail+. I built a regular Overtrail and with adding on Rock sliders and a roof rack it was like $71,500. Not bad if you ask me. Definitely a bummer that only the Overtrail plus gives the option of the Mark Levinson sound system.
Agreed I’m also bummed I have to pay 8k+ for the massage seats when I really just want the awesome sound system
@@jesmor3, same. I'm not going to pay it but I would love to have it. An extra 10k just for a sound system isn't worth it to me. I would never use the seat massager.
@@theinternets7516 I bet we both WOULD use it if we had it 🤣 but that’s different than wanting to have it lol
Tommy, thank you for feeding us overlanders. 100% people will be offroading these..at least here in boulder! ha. that is an impressive payload! It's as big as the outgoing LC200, i'm not surprised it can tow so much, it's NOT small.
Looking forward to a Defender / GX 550 comparison ...
The flow of this video is so much better. It is a bit late but I watch the whole thing to support you guys.
Thanks for watching
I want this Overtrail review to be compared to the luxury and premium - particularly on road driving differences with one having e-kdss and the others omitting. That is the biggest ommission and I’m not certain the AVS is enough to compensate.
I’m SO glad this thing doesn’t have air suspension! Thank god! I’ll actually buy this car when I start my new job in a year and a half
Cheaper than a G-Wagon and will last 20 years longer I would still buy!!!
Would buy which one?
Have we ever found out just what Toyota (and Subaru) did to Roman when he was a child? I guess we should be proud of him just being able to sit inside and keep his snarky/apathetic/petty comments to a thin minimum.
Thanks Tommy for the payload numbers 👍. May not overland it right away, but that number helps solidify the usable towing capacity and in the future, who knows, more payload gives more options.
Nice father and son team,I just subscribed to the channel because I love the content,let’s help them grow,good luck guys!
Is the Mark Levinson, only available in the Overtrail + and Luxury Trim, worth the 11 grand jump over the base system on the standard Overtrail?
Yeah, that’s a serious issue and it’s just one example of Toyota screwing around with the options on this new GX - the other is the E-KDSS, as it’s available on the Overtrail line only - the old GX had KDSS standard across the lineup and that helped body roll significantly, particularly on road, as with it you can use thicker sway bars to help the ride quality. Same with the ML sound system - this was available at much lower price points on the old GX.
Love the new lexus gx platform. Might trade my sequoia in on one.
Ryan from Driving Sports was behind you guys 😂. He gave you a shout out.
I love when Roman and Tommy are doing a car review they don’t hold back on one another and it’s probably because their father and son. For 80 K I think his thing is not a bad deal for what you get. I would take this over a sequoia and look at jeep, they are not cheap probably the same price and there’s no comparison to reliability, resale value, etc. The big plus is you get Lexus service.
I’ll be one of the first 5000 Overtrail owners and it will certainly be taken off road. If I weren’t taking delivery the week after the 2024 Toyota Jamboree, it would be there on the trails.
20:21
Tommy - I really thought you were going to see how the extra width affects the ease of parking! I was so excited because, at least where I am in CA, the vehicles keep getting wider and the parking spots keep staying the same! One of the many reasons I love my ‘22 GX.
As a die hard Land Rover owner, I would still pick this Lexus over the defender or new ineos any day.
I like it! When the aftermarket can address the suspension to get more clearance and a bigger tire under it, then it might be the next rig.
Already done. 250 series shares the exact platform as the 300 series so all the suspension goodies from dobinson, OME, Icon 4x4, King etc is already on the market.
@CACressida Thanks, I was looking at the Dobinsons stuff earlier to see what was available.
The wheel well size is the more important thing. Te suspension isn't the limiting factor on tire size on Toyota's it's the size of the wheel well. That's what Tommy was talking about when he referenced chopping bits of the frame.
This is an IFS vehicle so suspension isn’t going to get you bigger tires in the front without a loss of articulation
The back can do that but that’s the advantage of live axels
I know the V6 twin turbo has more horsepower and torque than the old 4.7 but does it have the longevity?? Only time will tell.
Always a good day when I see TFL is on. Thanks for what you do.
Curious how easy it will be to lift the vehicle for better ground clearance. Is the Lexus KDSS system an impediment to doing that? And if so, then to what extent? The KDSS system on the Toyota 4Runner limits the amount of additional lift that can be added.
My question too.
Nice review. I was planning on getting a Land Cruiser but the mark up has begun. I can’t see paying near Lexus price and not getting a Lexus. That said, my local deal said they won’t mark up the G X. If that’s the case then I am definitely grabbing this guy.
I’m still on the fence with the long term durability of a TV6 vs the NA V8. I don’t see these getting to 200, 300k with the factory turbo.
I love this truck !!!
the GX will be able to take an aftermarket lift ( which 100% of opel that will off road this will do ) so it will have higher ground clearance AND ride nice while at that height...unlike an air suspension system at the highest setting that rides like welded suspension from the lack of travel by being at the limit of the travel all the way up.
Suspension lifts don’t get you ground clearance, especially on an IFS, bigger tires do
@@JollyGiant19 yes.. a suspension lift usually means you want bigger tires. chicken or the egg. Most times you can’t fit bigger tires without a lift .
I dont get why Roman is bashing the vehicle for the solid rear axle. This is exactly what everyone wants to see. Smaller than full size segment SUVs with off-road ability. Solid rear allows for much cheaper and better off-roading aftermarket currently.
Although quite tame that seemed like a beautiful trail to be driving on for the day.
Tommy and Roman's bickering!😂lol
The lack of third row is a HUGE miss in my opinion. This would've been my next tow/off roader if it had it.
Base Overtrail well equipped $70.5K .. nice value .. finally a Lexus that has my attention. Woohoo !
Roman, you are über right. I remember 1st model of Lexus RX on the cover of German car magazine and they were calling it ÜBER AUTO in capital letters. Tommy, it’s called "Licencia Poetica"
unlike the British competition; this one got a real locking center diff. and if you ever parked inclined near a cliff, you want a real center locking diff...
in my region we have the 300 series land cruiser and the '24 70 series land cruiser and I am choosing the GX550 over both!
Same
These reviews on all the new Toyota/Lexus vehicles have been great. Will be very excited when they are not so "directed" by Toyota themselves, which them choosing the location, trail, etc.
Dumping my 4 runner for new GX!!! 😊😊😊 great video enjoying this coverage and Roman and general conversations with the son is nice as well. camera work outside shots is great!!🎉🎉
4 runner Limited. dual zone AC/heating, individually controlled heated/cooled front seats, roll down rear hatch window, moon roof, locking center Dif,
full time 4 wheel drive, 20 inch tires, A Track, premium sound system, 6 cylinder (proven to be super reliable) engine. I think I'll stay with the Limited
4 runner. Does everything I need an SUV to do............
This is the review ive been waiting on.
Great video! I love that this version does not have the third row seat, an arrangement I would never use.
I have to agree with Roman.. most people aren’t taking this vehicle over landing or through difficult offroad situations. I think the new Land Cruiser is going to be a better platform for overlanding.
I will stick with what I said in Ryans video from a couple days prior about this thing, it is interesting, but not worth trading in my 4R TRD OR. But if you are for some reason cross shopping between this and the new 4R, I might consider this over the new 4R. Would have to do a deeper review when the new 4R comes out.
Get rid of the sunroof … that always causes problems later
Possible to insert dividers in this video and insert a index, organized by your talking points (i.e. off road capabilities, interior, exterior, final thoughts, etc.) and time stamps?
Finally they fixed the GX. No more funky looking soccer mom vehicle with a low clearance body kit.
In hope your future videos preface the Defender woes you had in its/your early videos; stranded for tires, etc. I’m glad you run the production wheels, etc.
I can’t wait for the off-road aftermarket!
This video shows the overt plus model, with more options, so the price is very high
On the Lexus configurator, I was able to price the Overtrail with some essential options for $72,000
I just built mine I'm going to go test drive it ended up being about 72 over trail.
I think the GX has the detuned 3.5l TTV6 that is in the Tundra SR (Work truck). The specs sound identical. Hopefully translates into the grade of reliability expected from outgoing 4.6V8 in the 460.
Loved seeing y'all out in my old stomping ground in the Sonoran Desert! A nice truck I'll never be able to afford (at least not in this decade). Now get that first-gen Sequoia and run it all over the desert! ;)
Do 17" wheels clear the calipers? That is the size people will want to run for wheeling.
if i had the money to replace/upgrade from my 2014 4Runner...
1. this GX Overtrail...
2. an LC200 Heritage model
3. a newer 4Runner TRD Pro...
that's it...that's the list.
*excllent review Lexus GX is always the answer ❤*
Have to disagree with Roman. I've seen a lot of 392 Wranglers and a few Bronco Raptors out on the trails. By the time those are built out they have $120K plus in them. There are definitely Lexus fans who are going to be lining up to go exploring in one of these. This is the same crowd that will drop a quarter mil on a 4X Sprinter van and take it out, bend things and scratch the crap out of it. They will pay for what they want.
I will take the GX over the Defender any day! For heavy off roading will look at the Grenadier.
We need a bobble head version of Roman. His head is REALLY good a showing how rough a trail is. 😂
You had me till 80K. Nice review, thanks
Unfortunately the reliability argument only makes sense if you are purchasing or financing. When you lease a car that argument doesn’t hold up as well. Lease prices for new gx will be significantly higher than the outgoing model.
Any reason why the overtrail doesn't have a panoramic sun roof?
Someone correct me, but I don't think the panoramic opens. I'd rather have the regular sunroof like on this, I assume opening, but I don't think it's available on those other trims. My question would be just that, can we not order just the regular sunroof on the other trims?
@@springertube Fr I will never understand the obsession with panoramic roof
Hope Lexus offers dealer installed off road upgrades like a 2” suspension lift, 17” off road rims, 35” tires, steel front and rear bumpers, winch, off road lights, etc.
"no head bob" 20 seconds in lots of head bob
Looks good but there's a lot of front and rear overhang. No way the approach/departure angles will be better than a Defender. At least it will likely be more reliable.
From what I’ve seen online it has worse stats all around, you also have to keep in mind the defender has around 3in more ground clearance
sooo... if im not planning on offloading this thing, and I just want the plushest ride possible, the overtrail/overtrail+ is still the one to buy?
I priced one online and only got to $72k. I wonder what was different because there was t a ton of options.
Overtrail vs Overtrail+
@@ScoobyFermentation Yep, I realized that too. I'm dumb. But looking at what the "+" gives you.... I remember why I didn't price it. Didn't add anything I thought was valuable.
Ya, my LC200 cost quite a bit more and yes it does go off road and is an amazing Overlander. Since we don’t get a real Land Cruiser here any longer I am looking at the GX550 to add to our fleet. It has its pluses and minuses, but once the aftermarket kicks in, it could be a great off roader. Looked at the Inios Granadier, that’s a complete non starter though🤷♂️. Anyhow, great video and looking forward to you getting to do a real test off road with it.
I am more excited for the Land Cruiser 250, even though this is more luxurious and has more power.
Is the land cruiser the only platform that offers a locking front diff?
I’m 6”4” and fit real comfortably in the Captains Chair of the Defender, especially with a 1.5 suspension lift and BFG 33’s. The rear seats fold flat and have rear locking differentials, it’s a Beast and very comfortable offroad. Me thinks a bit more rugged than the Lexus, especially with the approach and departure angles coupled with a Strong Turbo 7 speed 6 cylinder engine. I bought the 2023 model, waited to get the kinks out .
Defender has less articulation than the new GX, even more so with a lift added to the Defender
Since when did a Jeep become the cheap option?
Love this thing btw
grand Cherokee 4xe trail hawk is jeeps best $68,000 so more luxury
I bought a '21 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk new in 2/21 with the Protech II package for $42.5k. At this point, I feel like I stole it! These new luxury off-road SUVs are getting insanely expensive.
Awesome video as always. Your son is great love the father and son review 👍👍👍do you gentlemen kno if gx 550 will have an hybrid??? Thank you 🙏
I heard a lot of drivetrain noise, was that the case or was the mic oversensitive ?
Shouldn’t this trim have recovery hooks, rock rail instead of running boards, front bumper that accepts a winch? For the money i would think the people buying this trim would rather have those than the sunroof, high end stereo system etc…
Lexus is targeting this at the mall-crawl crowd that want to be able to do some weekend camping. While 33's are nice, the running boards will keep this thing off trails where a more serious 4WD vehicle is necessary. The aftermarket will tailor to those looking to do a "build" and get more serious around off roading.
There are recovery points under the front bumper,rock sliders are an option and you delete the sun roof you save $1100.
When will they be readily available? Im sure eventually they will be available in numbers i hope!
I agree on the dash. I would go for the Lexus quality but here in Europe all rich people go for the Defender and use it as a city car. So they'll go for the 20+ inch wheels.
I'll be interested to see how big of a tire you can fit in that wheel well. While the rear diff locker is awesome, I need the 3rd row and may opt to go with their base model (Premium?) then add a lift and tires.
Can you describe any more details on the massaging seats or your opinion on them? I don’t think I want them but I want the upgraded sound system lol
thank you thank you thank you for the payload shot!!!
Is the maintenance cost higher on oil change and other works on overtrail over premium and luxury with skid plate in the way?
This vehicle might be my next rig. Really want to see the New 4 runner vs Land Cruiser.
Enjoyed the banter.
Glad you enjoyed it
I like this a lot. However, I wish Toyota would put their reliability behind an old-school offroader. Body on frame, solid axles, NA V6, with a V8 option for extra $$$, locking diffs, and manual disconnecting swaybar. They might put the Wrangler out of business...
Driving on the long dirt road to the shopping mall in Denver.
In terms of competition, Tommy is square on. Despite the Brit appeal of the Defender, total cost of ownership is so much better with the Toyota product. Resale alone makes the Lexus worth it. Would like to see a bit tougher off-roading.
Your dad cracks me up.
I hope you do a comparison of the Overtrail 550 versus a Land Cruiser 250 series. Right now I consider the Overtrail the new real Land Cruiser.
The embargo ended on February 1! What took so long?
The Redtail Overland rooftop tent (loft) on this will be seen soon.
It's funny watching Ryan following behind you doing his own review...
He had mentioned in his review that he was following Roman and Tommy 😂
I'm a little surprised TFL didn't have this video out as soon as the embargo lifted.
How was the road noise in comparison to a Defender ?
Lexus has 18" and good tires, defender does not.