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- Pokemon Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl have been announced! But why exactly are ILCA and Game Freak's Sinnoh Remakes so divisive? What about the chibi artstyle has people do caught up? Will the gameplay deliver when compared to Pokemon Platinum, or even the original Gen 4 games?
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what worries me the most is the atmosphere tbh. the originals had this nostalgic, melancholic, and kinda lonely atmosphere very reminiscent of a cold winter morning. it was very soothing, and very comfy, and it's the one thing that really remains with me after all these years. i hope the game manages to replicate this to an extent, but either way, i'll always have platinum.
That remake is very cute and bright. It feels boring. Original followed lore very well with the art style. Its 2.5D looked so cool 😍
@@user-vw2bn6qi2l it feels bright but it also has a lifeless shadow. a lot of artists know that to make an atmosphere in lighting look more "realistic", they have to use shadows that are actual colors (for example, blue) rather than black/gray or else it will look dead.
The remake just... doesnt have a lighting engine at all for some reason. Looks so amateur its insane. As a game dev student it really hurts to see all the assets they use as well, especially for the greenery.
You described it the way I thought of it. I didn't get to play DPP growing up, but I did know of the anime. When I finally got Diamond I decided to play it during that winter storm Texas got, and with the atmosphere of the game, and irl, it was perfect. Already feel nostalgia for it now
The thing I'm most scared of is the soundtrack changing too much from where the originals set. You're completely right by saying the atmosphere felt like a cold winter morning, but the music and soundtrack is what furthered that entire plot in the first place. The three lakes music was one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard and it is forever engraved in my mind. Mt. Coronet's soundtrack has me hooked on the adventure of it all and the overall soundtrack of route's is what made me love going back and just training Pokémon in the first place. It had progress written all over it and watching that stray away from what it originally was could kill my entire experience as a whole. I have to be real and upfront as a 20 year old I haven't kept up with most of the newer games and in all honesty this is my first time seeing the announcement of these remakes, but it has my vote if they do it right. I don't want them to revert back to the old art style. I'd rather see them continue to progress, but still keep that nostalgic feel of what Sinnoh is. Even the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire had the distinctive traits that the originals had and them trying to keep Sinnoh in it's original form with newer graphics doesn't feel like it, but in all honesty shits on the entire fan base of it as a whole.
See it doesn't feel like a remake. Alpha Sapphire & Omega Ruby were good examples of remakes. These new D&P games feel more like remasters.
you have no idea how glad i am to see your comment... i seriously thought i was the only one who felt that way
ORAS was really fun to play with this sneak mechanics
The outroar and crying of people hating how different oras was to rse is sadly the reason these are only remasters. Gamefreak always listens it just takes a couple years to see them listening because they're already working on 1 or 2 games when the complaigns start rolling in
@@UltraSteelix people complained about ORAS?? What?? Why??
@@randehmarshgames4608 because it was "too different" they didn't like that their childhood had been upgraded to include a new story. They didn't like that it wasn't a faithful remake. Mega evolution was bashed on a lot because it wasn't part of the story in the originals. The battle frontier not being there (which is understandable I totally agree with this one). They didn't like latios and latias being torn from the endgame and given to you. They didn't like all the wormholes hoopa made that scattered through the region. They hated the idea of alternate timelines. They were screaming that ORAS was another cash grab and gamefreak was their laziest when they made these two. Literally this hate on gamefreak for ORAS was everywhere. I'm not saying nobody liked them. But this hate was SO much louder than the love. So I feel for gamefreak when they want to play it safe. I feel like Pokemon Legends was supposed to be their real remake but they didn't want to let the fans down again so they remastered DPPt into BDSP and that's why they handed it off to another studio so they could focus on the one they really wanted to make yet give all the fans the faithful remake they really wanted.
I just wanted a HD version of Giratinas distortion world. To this day that area feels the most exciting part of any Pokemon game and I was desperately wanting to see that with better graphics and more area.
That area was coke for me as a kid. I remember always trying to get back there to just mess around with the area after catching giratina
@@stickyfingers5189 Walking on walls, or that reversed waterfall, there is no more iconic legendary. It always was a cave, like your gonna catch the flintstones, then its own dimension.
Maybe, we could get that in Legends?
@@iloveminicactialot6895 I think they gotta get the regular overworld down first. It’s looking too rough around the edges for them to start trying out experimental stuff like that in their seemingly open world game
@@bastiangalaz4580 clearly you never played gen 3 then😂 or gen 2
Honestly the art style is a deal breaker for me, if they were just going back to chibi might as well be in 2D.
People said the same thing about Link's Awakening on Switch and they ate their words when it gained a MASS amount of popularity among the fanbase. If legitly stylized art is a deal breaker for you when buying games, you probably shouldn't be buying games. Not all stylized art is good, but if you're more concerned with visuals than gameplay, then it's not really that big an issue.
@@megaman37456 One word. Shading.
To be fair they said it was a faithful remake. It is more nostalgic this way.
@@tgame43 "Faithful" nothing in BDSP is faithful. It's just a excuse for being lazy.
@@lee2249 That is not true
They didn't even give Barry a "THUD" animation. I really wanted to see my character get knocked to the ground from the sheer force of Barry's thuds just like in the Diamond and Pearl anime.
It was this or a black screen with the SwSh textbox saying "thud" in smaller text so pick your poison.
@@cy4069 why cant we get better, thats the problem its either nothing or next to nothing but never something with gamefreak, its just frustrating because a lot of us never complained until gen 8 even though some complained that jump to 3d back with x and y was bad and i love gen 6, i still play omega ruby and hatch eggs in y
@@sdbzfan1 I wish we could, but this is pokemon we're talking about. For some reason they just can't figure out how to program or animate 3D for the life of them.
@@cy4069 but thats not a pokemon problem its a gamefreak problem, games like colosseum and old n64 pokenon games understood how to animate 3d pokemon, remember when gamefreak said that the reason x and y ran bad is because they made the 3d models good enough that they would never have yo make more only to fuck up the transfer from 3ds to switch and everyone called them out on it only for sword and shield to come out and people found out they lied and they did just port the 3ds models, so no we can get good pokenon games just not from gamefreak, snap 2 being the prime example now
Darian Panton I'm hype for the games and look really good and I love the chibi style going for that DS game look. I think the fans started to get toxic from sun and moon and I played moon loved the island challenges which is better then the gyms to me and the handholding tutorial was what got a lot of people annoyed and sword and shield gave the option to skip it. I just find that people are getting more spoiled by each entry and ask for something better by giving no specific detail to improve when Pokemon has been good and successful with the same gameplay or game with not much of a story sun and moon story was not bad but story is not what go to Pokemon for.
>It's how they would've wanted the game to have looked back when they were making it
This is the defining thing a remake should be all about
I've said that a lot in the past too. Remakes should be about taking a game and building it again with the vision you had originally without the layer of abstraction you had to use because hardware at the time couldn't support your vision.
Remakes can add new content or modify mechanics but it has to be in a way that clearly improves the experience. What this game is, is lazy. The sad thing is the chibi overworld art is harder to make because they don't have any assets that were like that prior to base their work on which means they had to create all new assets with new scales and design them to work with specific camera angles.
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They should definitely add something new to the game. Otherwise what’s the point in getting BDSP when it’s just DP with better graphics that don’t even look good. They could add Mega Evolution or Primal forms. Or even be able to make Dialga and Plakia fuse like in the statue. At least SOMETHING new.
@@theredmm9688 they can’t do that because people complained about how much they changed RS, BDSP is what a remake should be.
@@JesseBindus I know. That’s the issue. People complained about it so now we’re just going to get the same game with better graphics. I don’t want to experience the same exact thing because it’s going to be boring despite if it’s a good game or not.
"Its still got time to get better dont worry"
here we go again
I don't know how people still put so much faith into this argument. 8 months in game development isn't a whole lot. It really isn't. Just think of the amount of pre-release trailers for games with "footage not final" at the bottom you've seen that ended up looking pretty much identical to the finished product.
They're gonna have to push that release date back by YEARS to make it into an actually good game with everything fans want (better art, better route designs, additional lore, quality of life changes, employees on a healthy work schedule...) but that's almost certainly not gonna happen, since the dev team's primary goal seems to be getting their hands on quick cash :,D
@@This-Was-Sparta facts 8 months is pretty much polish time theres no big changes or system mechanics being altered this is the game set in stone basically.
@@This-Was-Sparta It can take months just for translation and international shipping. If I recall profession companies estimate it takes about 4.5 months for a standard AAA game to be properly translated and shipped. And that's not considering the Covid restrictions. When you consider that, it's not unreasble to think to add a couple months.
it looks loads better in the oled switch trailer
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@fenixElric i have beaten red and blue like four times in the last week what more do u want from me man
@@LewtwoYT don't listen to them. They are just frustrated genwunners, you shouldn't even need to say that you've played Red and Blue as a justification. You can be a fan without having played the first games
@@LewtwoYT
I wont sugar-coat this:
This Franchise is burning.
And i genuinly dont get why Chibnal gets ore Criticism than Masuda,
despite Chibnal ruining Doctor Who
and Masuda doing Arsene on Pokemon.
To anyone that gets told “it’s just a kids game”
I am a child, and I still don’t think we deserve garbage so
Do what you will with that
Agreed, as person still living childhood, I think we still know the difference between quality and trash
That’s such a bad argument, just because it’s a “kids game” doesn’t mean the game should be bad, there pretty much just saying because there kids they deserve low quality games. Look at Mario odyssey, that game is a kids game yet it looks and is a masterpiece
Did anyone ever hear things like,
“My little pony isn’t for you, it’s for little girls”
“COD/Battlefield isn’t for kids”
“Stop watching cartoons, you’re not a little kid anymore”
Just because a movie, game or whatever is made for a target audience doesn’t mean it won’t grab the attention of an entirely different audience.
Also “It’s a kids game”, AND? Is that an excuse for such poor quality and little effort in a product?
@@isaacinkwell depends. do kids on average care about the aspect in question?
@@MykiiMescal probably not, but still should that be a good enough reason to not care?
I can't stand looking at Barry's shiny ass golden hair, it looks like he went Super Saiyan.
Plot twist: He's actually from planet Vegeta
Lmao I thought I was the only one that thought of this. He looks like base form Goku with his hair dyed super saiyan blonde drawn in Pokémon's art style.
You know Donald Trump?
#SaveBarrysHair
@@yukwa.howardho.866 dont mention that lunatic
as an "action" game, link's awakening -had- to keep its chibi art style, otherwise the gameplay would be completely different to the game it was based on. the dungeon maps and fights would play completely different
but as a turn based rpg, diamond/pearl aren't limited by this. the alternative is the let's go approach. by keeping things chibi and blocky, they could keep the maps faithful and accurate, but the chibi characters still looked like characters, not like lego blocks
Plot twist: BDSP takes place in an alternate timeline where Cyrus won and made the world cute.
Nah, it takes place where Palkia stepped on the overworld and turned people chibi.
@@YujiUedaFan My replies aren't going through
Now that is a plot twist i can get behind
Weird definition of cute
if the world is cute 🤔 then goodbye Gardevoir and Lopunny; they wouldn’t belong
The chibi art style was a necessity back in the DS era. But, seeing it here in the switch, where they're just doing it for the sake of it, just makes it look goofy. I can't take it seriously.
Exactly, this is an artstyle that nowadays is only being used by indie games like Nexomon, and even Nexomon used it better.
I’ve seen the exact opposite complaint with newer Pokémon games
I prefer the older art style but it doesn’t look right on the switch.
Im definitely more a fan of the chibi art style but they could’ve improved much more graphicswhise regardless. The colours and lighting also look pretty off.
I don't like the artstyle but isn't there like 100+ indie games on the Switch with like worse graphics lol
6:36 “You literally cannot ignore its presence.”
Me just noticing Mt. Coronet is there: 👀
Same ngl
I truly wish these remakes were in the gen 8 style they would have helped that style be more relized, same way I feel oras did for the gen 6 style.
I also feel like that would help them develop gen 9 and have those games be more relized aswell.
Also gen 4 having proper cutscenes just sounds amazing.
I wish Sinnoh had gotten the ORAS treatment. ORAS far outstripped even _XY_, let alone RSE. Honestly at this point I would have rather we got the Sinnoh remakes back in Gen7. At least they'd be thematically appropriate at that point.
While I do think ORAS > XY, I can't agree that they're better than RSE. Even if graphically they look better, everything else about them is... off. The main issue is the same thing that was described in this video about platinum, ORAS did not maintain any of the improvements that was brought in with Emerald. Team Magma still has their base in the middle of the ocean... for some reason, areas like Meteor Falls have the same visual design as in Ruby and Sapphire and not the revamped and far superior design from Emerald, and overall there's so much missing that if I wanted to play a Hoenn game, I would just play Emerald.
P.S. I played ORAS before Emerald so I'm not preferring the old product over nostalgia.
Biggest problem with the remakes is that the graphics look really low quality. I'd rather just play the original because they aged better and the graphics for the remakes are already aging.
dont you mean you're too nostalgic for the original? and you like hating on the newer games because YOU were the one who grew up?
@@hemalathapajaniraja1990 Nah, I didn't grow up with Gen 4 and it's far from my favorite. I'm just saying that using sprites in the original instead of going full 3D was to the original's benefit because it aged better.
Trying to mimic that with primitive 3D models and lighting makes it look aged from the moment it comes out. There's such a thing as being too faithful when the world geometry looks lifted straight from the DS original and touched up.
@@D1ab0lical i'd like to think it's pokemon's sense of humor. 'oh you dont want anything changed? then so it will be.' but then again corporates never had one.
Faithfulness aside, artistically it looks.. horrid.
Links awakening is a prime example of what leaning into a chibi artstyle can acomplish. The game looks fantastic for everything still beind chibi. The gen4 remakes look like something I could download from the app store, which really hinders my confidence in them keeping muchless improving the original atmosphere of the gen4 games.
@A B what
The game just gives me a mobile game vibe I just can’t take it serious.
I'm just gonna spend my 60 on Legends the true actual Sinnoh remake
That's because ILCA is mostly a mobile game company lol
@@albertthepeacock8020 that doesn't look much better
@@Buttington_Headerson at least it's different
@@hapz324 different doesn’t mean good though
Just imagine how people would have reacted if Cloud from the FFVI remake looked like a chibi - People being outraged would be an understatement.
So how come people just accept how Nintendo and GF treat their fans, even if they're making changes for the worse?
different games. FF has WAY more cutscenes and emphasis on character design. Pokémon emphasizes gameplay/exploration. Not to mention, people weirdly fetishize cloud, so yeah, they would be pissed.
@PsychedelicPsyduck Yes, but cutscenes will almost always be pre rendered - so essentially they're like a video playing in the background. Weirdly enough the models used in the cutscenes are also the same you see during gameplay and not scaled up and down like in Pokemon.
And it doesn't change the fact that when nintendo remade game titles before they all received enhancements, graphically and QOL wise.
You can still compare apples and pears. They're both fruit even if they're not the same.
I think a lot of people don't, Team Verlisify's just managed to make it seem as if they do by being an extremely loud vocal minority.
Gen 4 and Gen 5 really feel the most “mature” from all gens. Going chibi wasn’t the right move. Going a little more realistic style and tone would have fit way better.
Remember how every Mario Kart game they bring back 16 old tracks and remake them to fit in woth the aesthetic of the current one as well as update it to fit in more with the current mechanics?
That was only in Mario Kart 8. Mario Kart Wii, while being my favorite game in the Mario Kart series, actually didn't do that much to remake the tracks. Although the aesthetic for those retro tracks did fit in.
We don't even nees to go that far, within the same franchise, all prior remakes were made with the clear objective of having them match the current standards of the franchise, FireRed and LeafGreen, HeartGold and SoulSilver, OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire, they were all made to match the look and feel of the games of gens 3, 4 and 6.
@@diamondmario64 To be fair, they didn't really have new, completely game changing mechanics in the game yet.
@@Zevox144 Ah, I probably should've remembered that.
@@diamondmario64 Well mario kart wii's engine can drive really any track.
I think you nailed it with the "just play platinum". I don't really see any reason to buy the remakes when I'm just fine with with the old ones.
The only plus to BDSP is the improvements to the gameplay system since Gen 4 onward (permanent TMs, Destiny Knot IV breeding, Hidden Abilities, etc.), but that ain't worth no $60 when that's the only thing this has over Platinum.
@@espurrseyes42 for that play like renegade platinum, and there's 0 purpose to these remakes lols
I just bought Platinum a month ago and it's even more fun playing it as an adult that understands the games better than it was playing it as a kid. I absolutely will not be wasting my money on these watered down games Game Freak has been giving us since Gen. 6 when the DS games have so much more value and effort put into them.
I wont sugar-coat this:
This Franchise is burning.
And i genuinly dont get why Chibnal gets ore Criticism than Masuda,
despite Chibnal ruining Doctor Who
and Masuda doing Arsene on Pokemon.
my platinum was stolen from me so i got nothin.
I never played the Sinnoh games, so I was excited to play these remakes when the news first broke. I've never been a big believer that graphics really mattered on a game, but in this case, they're absolutely holding me back from wanting to play this game, as bad as that sounds. It's just so unnecessary to look like that.
It's not bad graphics necessarily. It's poor art style.
I actually prefer this art style over the other newer Pokémon games. If you haven’t played gen 4, don’t let the art style stop you lol
Yeah, same for me. But the new Pokemon Presents changed my mind on the games, and I might actually buy them.
Play Platinum instead
Coming back to this, it was dead-on.
Thank god someone finally put it into words. I felt like I was losing brain cells from everyone who kept yelling at sinnoh fans for being ungrateful
You don’t owe one of the largest companies in gaming your undying loyalty, nobody should feel bad about critiquing their offerings
@@frickinfrick8488 people get really, really mad when you critique Pokémon these days.
I get it to an extent, people complaining can get annoying, but the people complaining about the complaining are getting far more annoying.
I will not pay for these games if I’m not interested, I don’t buy new games blindly and I can be patient to see if it’s worth it. It stresses me out that people are so willing to just… always pay for them. Blindly.
@@cannon-evans the whole discussion is annoying. Whether you will get $60 worth of enjoyment out of a Pokémon game is ultimately a personal decision so this kind of rabid “game freak boot licker vs ungrateful troll” dynamic is stupid to begin with.
The most annoying thing for me personally about the new wave of Pokemon hate is the blind worshiping of the old games. The kids that grew up with gen 4 are the new genwunners, they trash the new games for anti consumer practices that have plagued the series from the beginning. Diamond and Pearl released grossly unfinished and forced you to buy a third full price game to experience it properly, but nostalgia makes people think those games were the peak of the series. Pokemon deserves criticism but I wish more people recognised how long term this problem has been.
@@frickinfrick8488 you should watch a video by WoolieVS Called Pokemon It's Pokemon, in it Patrick Boivin brings up that exact point that none of this is new for Pokemon and GameFreak, I would argue it was less obvious and cheap in games pre gen 6 but stuff like making another game taking place in the same generation but better is scummy and always will be, just as scummy as separating Pokemon through different versions of the same game but hey I guess people want a reason to say why X game is better than Z game when ultimately there is nothing different about them
@@iconictrash6023 i think two things made it less apparent, one they were ds and gba games making them cheaper and two anyone who is 25 to 30 were the group of kids who didnt notice, "hey there doesnt have to be 2 versions of the same game", now they are older,
Now that games are 60 to 80 dollars fans want more for their buck while its becoming more and more clear we arent so people hoped for what they consideres the bare minimum catching all the pokemon regardless of version exclusives allowing trading to make up for what you lack in your game but now gamefreak wont even do that leading to two camps those who accept gamefreaks complacency for thie rown reasons and those who find it stupid and are falling out of love for pokemon especially as other passionitely loved game series have evolved over the years like mario and zelda
I think that I went from extremely excited to extremely worried when they said one word:
“Faithful”
Iirc it says they story will be faithfully replicated, no word about the mechanics.
the wording of faithful just means the story itself.
it's not going to be a complete 1-1 as the game will have some modern changes, and improvements seen in past games.
@@Yusei255 will it though? past remakes werent marketed as fervently 'faithful' as bdsp are
That same word took me from "Alright. I'm pretty interested." to "No."
@@Yusei255 What the hell do you mean? "Just means the story." Where are you getting that one?
Is no one gonna talk about how weird the arms and legs on the characters are
One of the things from Platinum that touched me the most was the artstyle, I really enjoyed the spritework and atmosphere so seeing this new artstyle is honestly painful. I'm not saying they should be making it in 2d (you're missing the point) I'm saying that the thought of DPP in a 3d artstyle like SwSh would be amazing. But instead we've got this.
you briefly touched on this but what really worries me is that if its too faithful to the original what reason does anyone have to actually buy it, like the gen 4 games are literally the most pirated games of all time so if its too close to the originals there isnt much reason to spend $60+ on them or if they lack content from platinum they wont even be the most complete way to play the game
Yar
To be fair... people buy ports all of the time, and just cause rom-hacks exist doesn't mean people won't buy it.
2nd, there will be quality of life improvements of modern Pokemon games.
3rd, while it is very faithful, I think we need to remember how big of a risk Legends is. It's like they are going more faithful to have a safety net. Old remakes were a mix of nostalgia + new. But now, they are putting nostaliga in one game and new in another.
I'll buy these games but if they don't retain at least everything from platinum then I'm selling it back. Why would I play the remakes if I can play platinum with more content, more nostalgia, and a way to speed the game up. They've already thrown their "gotta catch em all" phrase out the window so why should I care about the mainline games anyway if they don't want me to get all the pokemon?
They say in pokemon presents that it will have quality of ease that the pokemon game have now so that means fairy types will be in the game and bottle caps will be in the game so it's not 100% true 1 to 1 remake of gen 4
@@nmikk10 because pokemon bank will end soon and once it dose end your pokemon are stuck there unlike this game
God THANK YOU for finally saying it!!! The original D/P chibi style was a NECESSITY, not a stylistic choice
This is why I dislike the remake of link's awakening
Poor game freak they work so hard
@@bijupraveen8652 In terms of working hard, I'm not sure about that
Even if they did worked hard, the results is everything, u don't go out there to sell burger and telling people how much time and effort did you use to make the burgers, consumer will only care about how delicious is your burger, not your hardworking. If you can't give what people want, you simply just fucked up, reality is always the cruelest
@@bijupraveen8652 You realise game freak outsourced this right? They're not makign the game
@@WednesdayMan I got behind the links awakening style more because the whole point is that it is all a dream. So it makes sense link looks unrealistic.
The part that gets me the most is that this game wasn't created on the current generations engine. I am not really a big fan of Sword and Shield, but I still feel like remakes have always been remade on the current engine would have been interesting for me, and possibly brought me back in. I think part of this was that when they developed D/P on DS, they were rushed with low time to develop it. I think that it is quite the Sinnoh thing to happen, where here we are, 10-15 years later, and they are actually in the same situation. The engine for Sword and Shield is probably pretty large, and quite the obstacle to work with. Knowing this, and the fact they needed a D/P remake with again little time, I think that they were forced into this situation, where they had to outsource this project. Honestly this game gives off the recent Disney movie vibes, where it is trying to survive completely off of nostalgia, where that is the thrill of the game... Anyways, I am hoping that the game is still fun to play, and just like you at this moment it is very concerning.
@KD But it actually isnt top down. the camera is tilted slighty to the ground in comparison to the older games. The old style worked because of the small screen you had. Those routes arent made for widescreen and it shows. Everything looks so small while the old games had a grander feeling to them.
But sure the comment section are the morons and not the dude that gets out of his way to call others morons. Get a life kid, you are waisting your current one with negativity.
@KD "I swear this comment section is full of morons" I'm currently looking at one apparently
@KD They gave you an explanation on why your argument is incorrect and you insulted them.
You're gonna cringe at this in a few years
@KD So you never change your opinions because you're just never wrong i guess? Then got banned on your 11 year account.
"Yeah I'm basically going to reset this worlld and wipe out all live" just doesn't have the serious/cool vibe when coming from a model that looks like it would fall over and is 50% head, ya know? It just seems.. off? Don't get me wrong, it's a cool story and the original style looked great, but like you said, it was neccessary - now we would have options that fit better
If the game was maybe $40 like the original I could ignore how it's basically a 1:1 copy, but most likely it will be $60 again like Sword/Shield which.. eh
Dammit, now you've got me picturing a Lego Avengers: Endgame.
Which I somehow imagine the creators might be able to pull off better than this remake is shaping up to be.
What makes generation 5 my favorite is how expressive the Pokémon were and how fast paced the battles felt. I’m ok with the chibi style, but I’m tired of seeing the same models & battle animations from gen 6-8.
I was 100% okay with it on the 3ds titles because of the limitations of the console, I think they did quite a good job with them between the time spent on making it and the actual content they delivered on the 3ds. Far from perfect, but still good for what they were.
I just don't have the energy to rip into swsh rn but maybe later I will
personally, I would hate if the Gen 5 remakes had chibi artsyles but that's just my take.
I dont have any hopes with Gamefreak but if they ever did remake Gen 5, I wish they'll revamp the animations like what Gen 5 did, I wish the Pokemon will look more lively
@@user-gh6zh6dx7m exactly
The biggest issue is pokemon have 4 animations, attacking, standing, falling over, and getting hit,
If there was any type of expression like the sptite animation people wouldnt be bored like infernape monkeying around and if you dont do anything for too long his flame flares up and he gets mad like the anime
16:06 Thank you for saying that. In the 25 years that I've played these games, I literally never complained about any of the pokemon games ever. I thoroughly enjoyed every single one of them and defended Game Freak on many occasions when people were complaining for the smallest things. To now express my discontent with how these remakes look and then getting bombarded with comments such as "you guys always complain" or "they gave you the remake you wanted" just feels so frustrating.
I am one of the many people who liked SwSh, ESPECIALLY the dlc content. The Crown Tundra and it's snowy scenery had me daydreaming about how amazing Sinnoh would look in that style. The dlc showed us what Game Freak can do, and if they wanted they could have used that engine and added so much more to the region. I wouldn't even mind if they released it next year so they had more time to work on it. This feels as if they just wanted to shit out a remake to make some quick cash and in that aspect I kinda feel betrayed as someone who's bought and played every single game until now. At least we have Legends, but we still don't know much about that game, and while it looks insane, I don't wanna get my hopes up too much and get end up disappointed like I did with BDSP
But legends arceus is that
I liked the dlc from sword and shield and defended the dex cut, but didn't like base sword.
This isn't worrying to me this opens so many doors.
Remakes had always been the same thing, they add a little they cut a ton and they can't explore the new ideas. This way we'll see more from sinnoh instead of kinda seeing a little more like we are used to.
I prefer remakes looking like this a million times. I loved the old look and starting with x and y they looked bad to me. Sun and sword look good again.
The main problem is that people can't seem to see that legends arceus is the part of the remake they want to be new cranked to the highest degree, and the other is the nostalgic part to its fullest. I want this not half assed experiences.
@@AsecasJavi "But Legends Arceus exists" has now been added to the pool of arguments I hate, thanks.
Arceus is it's own thing, not a remake. It's GF testing the waters with the whole open world stuff, and we don't even know anything about the game yet. The point of a remake is to literally relive the original games but in an innovative and refreshing way that makes it worth paying full price instead of playing the original, and the way GF has always done that until now was by using the newest engine as a base and then doing a bunch of redesigns, adding new story elements, new features etc, like with HGSS and ORAS. That's what me and most fans hoped for when it comes to these remakes.
@@PokeMixr92 ok you do you. The list of things I hate has all you said now, what a way to start a comment lol
I don't dismiss what you wrote there tho, just jokes, but come on
Anyway continuing what I said. Arceus is the new ideas the remake, to the extreme. We get a new game with new graphics.
I feel like game freak has acostumed us to not being able to further explore a region or making remakes of every single entry in the series.
I prefer the new remakes, cause I prefer that to a port of a ds rom from 2007, and I prefer arceus over episode delta.
Heartgold soulsilver and omega ruby alpha sapphire seem to be more justified than a gen 4 remake imo, since they were such different games gameplay wise, and graphics wise.
That's what I feel tho, gf has always done the same with the newest engine and never has done anything like this, were you explore both sides of what makes a remake good.
@@PokeMixr92 also most fans expected that? Why I find so many people loving the concept from the start?
Again we don't know what'll happen with the diamond remake, you are assuming it will be exactly the same, but maybe it won't.
I'm not saying that it isn't possible that they are too similar either, but I like this approach for a remake since you say that the point is to make you want to play it instead of the original, but they end up being such different games that ( to me at least ) makes the original replayable still. So now I have 2 games I want to play with almost the same story, or in some cases 3 games that have the same story, plot and everything. This remake could do what not other remake could and is making an official way to play the originals in modern hardware without having to touch that slog from the ds ever again.
The price part is disgusting tho, they should be 20 bucks or 30
Although I feel like BDSP was more of a Pokémon Company/Nintendo decision than Game Freak. I think Game Freak refused wanting to make the DP remakes and in compromise they outsourced to another company with Masuda there to look over while Game Freak tries something new.
god everytime I see chibi Dawn or lucas i get the overwhelming urdge to kick them
Just like Kyle with his baby brother Ike in front of him. Kick the baby!
That sounds more fun than playing these remakes. And save me $60
I wanted to get it, then saw the retarded looking chibi models and was like NOPE
@@kellen8405 I'll take the Chibi models with smoothed out gameplay over the same regurgitated 3D Garbage that Gamefreak has been spewing out since Gen 7, technically Gen 6 but ORAS was the exception to that.
The ONLY 3D pokemon games that are any good are the Stadium Games, Colosseum, and XD, and ORAS, and only because it feels like there is slightly more detail done in ORAS compared to what was done in XY where the colors felt kinda muted.
Lucas has my favorite Pokémon protag’ design (especially in platinum), I would have loved to see a more realistically proportioned Lucas in the overworld. I guess I’ll just have to wait to see Pokémon arceus; his design looks dope there.
Also we're yet another step away from our pokemon walking behind us. HG/SS did it so good, and let's go brought it back, and I was so damn sad that they took it away again.
Diamond and Pearl had an area where you could have a certain type of Pokemon walk with you and give you items occasionally.
@Lil Mami. You're comment aged like milk.
I don't usually complain about Pokemon games, I loved all of the mainline games ever since I've been playing since BW 2, but the models just look really lazy. Let's Go looks better than the DP remakes.
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@@dombjomb no, its a opinion not a fact
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@@raptorzeraora2632 Fax
@@raptorzeraora2632 Anyone with a pair of eyes can see it
tbh i just want it in the OR/AS style lmaooo
Ha then people would be complaining that the DP remakes look like a 3DS game, there’s no winning honestly with these games.
@@riotkitty if they kept going with the graphics they have right now and just made a remake like ORAS with a little extra bit of story and more megas and kept ALL THE POKEMON without the DLC crap then they would be golden
riot kitty At least it’d actually look like the current gen game, the way ORAS looked much like XY, instead of a large step backwards
@@emblemblade9245 i kinda like the style i personally just want my old competitive team back with mega t tar
Others: "Bring back the national dex!"
Me, an intellectual: "Bring back the cell-shading! You had it right 7 years ago!"
Thank you for that split second image of Garchomp with cartoon human teeth, the mental damage is really appreciated
im scared to think about how they'll emulate gen 5's art style in 3d...
It's so frustrating hearing people say stuff like "Why are pokemon fans always so ungrateful. They asked for a remake and they got one that's faithful to the original." I don't want a remake to be completely faithful to the original, that's the whole damn point of a remake. I've got a copy of diamond and of platinum I can just go back and play them whenever I want, why would I spend so much money to play a weird plastic looking version of it.
Diamond was my first pokemon game, and while I look back on it fondly I still think it's one of the weaker games in the series, so I'm kind of worried the remakes are just gonna be carbon copies of the original games only faster and with the same damn 3D models we've been seeing since X and Y.
Hell, there are some Wojak memes that mock the people who are pessimistic about the D/P remakes, and I find it disgusting.
they want a world built faithfully to the original, they dont want to the same game reskinned. Give us a world worthy of exploration at the technical ability available for the hardware.
Im not that into pokemon, but what i just dont get is who the hell actually wanted this disgusting 3d graphics? Seeing how the games have evolved, its seems like the developers defition and idea of remake is just about applying this redicilous kid graphic. I used to like Tyranitar and those darker looking pokemons.. Now it looks like something out of nicelodeon for 8-year olds
i hate the idea of being "ungrateful" or "grateful" to a game studio to begin with. these games are not a gift they're giving me. they're a product that a company is making, and that company wants me to buy them. that's like saying i'm ungrateful for not liking a microwaveable dinner i bought with my own money, as if my mother just cooked it herself, gave it to me, and i insulted her by disliking the food. i have no reason to be "grateful" for any product they're trying to sell me. i could feel grateful for good memories but they already made those and i already paid for those games, that doesn't automatically travel forward.
not to mention "be grateful for even getting the sinnoh remake" is a worthless argument in general. god knows i never asked for them to remake this generation, it was personally my least favorite i've ever played. by that logic i would've never been grateful for a sinnoh remake- even if i liked the result and thought it was good.
@@mirrepoix Yeah you summed up my thoughts exactly. Also while I'm nostalgic for Sinnoh since it was my introduction to the series I definitely think it's one of the weaker entries to the series as a whole.
Honestly at this point we shouldnt have any problem with any nitpick, this is pokemon. one of the most profitable game series ever, it shouldnt be the hard to make a good game
EA: hole my lootbox!
@@devilalastor3320 hey at least the lootboxes come with a somewhat decent game
@@nhoyo4979 no the loot boxes are the game
@@devilalastor3320 exactly they do there job and get you the happy juice and make you gamble lol
sadly, making a good game seemingly isnt what gamefreaks top people are really after...
just money, thats why theyre pumping out underdeveloped games for the price of full ones, then smacking on 40 dollar dlcs that somewhat finish the game, still leaving the whole experience as a semi-broken mess.
or remaking a game as basic as possible and then slapping on a price tag that's far above what it should be.
i geuss that's what happens when you have no competition... because you kill it all...
and its not just gamefreak or the pokemon company, its nintendo too by now, theyve been going down the same path with legend of zelda.
ocarina of time and majoras mask 3d are almost entirely just upscales and bug fixes, though the secondary screen actually adds something, skyward sword is just slight upscaling and bug fixing, with a slight control revision that couldve been done better in the end.
ofcourse im still stupid and i bought skyward sword HD anyways, like they want, but still.
"Diamond and Pearl were the first games I played in the series" I didn't come here to feel old, but now I feel old.
Leaf green was my first. There's always someone older. Having said that. we r not that old. once u hit 50-60. then u can feel old.
You want to feel old? My first pokemon games were Red and Blue, when they were released.
I grew out of Pokemon around Black & White 1, but your editing & writing are too good to not pay attention to this series I once loved. You've earned my sub.
appreciate it!!
This man has taken the words right out of my mouth, especially the part about being "ungrateful" that this remake is happening. Once upon a time it was either do things right or not at all, you should not be grateful for everything that you get if what you get is crap. Thank you for making this video!
Hell, there are some Wojak memes that mock the people who are pessimistic about the D/P remakes, and I find it disgusting.
It's like when Hollywood remakes a movie and fucks it up. Yet people don't tell others to just "be grateful" in those instances.
Unless they're part of some shill media journalist website.
@@Superluigi881 Exactly!!! People also forget that you can be a fan of a franchise and still criticise a bad game.
I cant wait for the moment everyone will go "Ugh sword and shield was better". Somethings good only if there's something worse
Well you're gonna say "Man, plain bread was better" if someone starts serving you shit on a plate.
Its a race to the bottom with Pokemon
Sword and Shield set the bar so low. GF can’t possible make a more mediocre game
@@elcocho1568 you wanna place 60$ on it?
@@elcocho1568 Sword and shield was more like Pokemon Kindergarten edition for me. Does game freak really think modern children are so stupid? Were these guys never kids themselves? I still remember when I was a kid that we never liked the "childish" looking games. We always wanted to play gta san andreas and call of duty. We liked jak and daxter and ratchet and clank. Pokemon was cool back then and the graphics werent so baby looking. The sprites for Red, Blue, Silver etc were cool and we used our fantasy a lot back then. The new pokemon games look like they are made for babies.
@@MementoMoriGrizzly Its not about being stupid, and more about wanting to feel like a winner with no real effort. Even adults that grew up playing hard games will often prefer an easy game these days. Mobile gaming and quick action movies spoiled us and made us expect rewards and victories to come flying our way at light speed.
The chibi art style only looks good in 2d. One of my first games was Platinum (that I then traded in for Diamond cause it crashed a lot) and I can say that the chibi stuff doesn't remind me at all of the older pokemon games. You either have normal humans in 3d or chibi in 2d.
If this is the remake of Diamond and Pearl what will happen to the remake of Black and White? Oh my, my favorite generation..
It’d be impossible to fuck up gen 5 holy shit
@@techstuff6551 yeah gen 5 was more story based you cant fuck up remaking tha-
> ultra sun and moon exist
Oh yeah
@@techstuff6551 They could hide the best pokemon like volcarona til post game- *I physically felt my soul leave my body when I considered this*
The biggest issue I have is that with the art style they've chosen it just looks like a slightly more polished game graphically, if its just the same game why even play it? I could just play Platinum with more stuff and get the same experience. I feel like it just exists because they know people will buy it because they love Sinnoh.
Supposedly tho they have the women from platinum that gives u the gracidea flower for shaymin, so praying that there is platinum content in here but i only believe this game should only be $40 at most if its just diamond and pearl remakes
@@kelvin2k13 Sorry friend, but that still doesn’t warrant another buy especially if you have played the originals and platinum :/
Artstyle and graphics are only part of what makes a game objectively good , however, with that being said... the fact that its a remake being advertised to take a much more “faithful” approach is concerning enough. A remake in itself is already faithful in design. Unless it can show enough to differentiate it from its predecessors, this may not be a buy for me. Which sucks bc sinnoh is a great region.
Polished is pushing it. Shit looks soulless as hell and lacking outlines
@@thatanonwholurksmoar7386 it doesnt even look like a switch game. Some 3ds games look twice as good. Sad.
@@AveryCreates xy looks 100 times better than this
"needlessly regressive" just about perfectly sums up my concerns for bdsp
My favorite thing of the remakes what’s how they redesigned the characters, I was kinda disappointed when they said they were going to “stay faithful” since I was looking forward towards the amazing character redesign :(
Thank you.
For months I couldn't fully put into words my complete and utter frustration with these remasters (still can't bring myself to call them anything else) and your video kinda helped me process those feelings. I have never missed a generation, and I've loved each and every one of them equaly. But sinnoh is my absolute top favorite generation and that reveal was just so disappointing and honestly kinda painful to look at, and if I say that to anyone suddenly I'm ungrateful and that my 25 years of love for pokemon meant nothing.
A pixelated chibi art style serves as an abstraction that we can use to build a more detailed image of the characters in our heads
A fully realized 3D chibi model is so clearly it’s own thing it’s hard to imagine what a more detailed character would look like
Bruh when you battle in the pixelated form you already see the “detailed image” when your character pops up on screen
thats got to be the worst take on the planet
@@slu77y It's not a take. It's a fact. You know the uncanny valley? The point at which something looks close to real but it's just far away that there's something off about it, evoking uneasiness? There's something similar to that when it comes to things like this as well. Our brains are really good at filling in the details, so when presented with a more abstract image, the brain can fill in anything that's missing, while dismissing anything that's off (e.g. proportions, facial features or lack thereof, etc.). But when that same image begins shifting towards realistic, suddenly the brain stops filling in details and instead begins searching out things that are off. It's an actual phenomena.
@@raerohan4241 you cant argue with pokemon stans
@@slu77y Let me guess. you defended the Dexit?
this video pretty much summed up all that i feel is "wrong" about these remakes (from what we know till now). The only thing i would add is that the art style also feels like a budgetary choice and that feeds into this remake feeling like a throwaway project, like they went "Ugh, they want gen4 remake. Aight, outsource them to one of our other devs and tell them to just make it 1:1 to speed up development time".
Also, to me it just looks like a downgrade visually, the art style just isn't as interesting to look at. There's a different degree of suspension of disbelief between pixel art and older games against 3d newer games.
I don't get the artstyle choice at all (other than adherence to tradition). In the other remakes I played they reused many assets from the current generation, basically just rebuilding the older game with mostly already developed tools - why not do that with gen 4? They have sword and shield assets AND Let's Go assets, including engines and what not. I bet it would have been easier and cheaper to do it that way.
I hate the weird hands too.
@@ScarsnAlmasy Looks more like they used the new PMD engine to make DP remakes instead of the LGPE/SwSh engine.
@@ScarsnAlmasy Eventually because of the animations because i think they can be even lazier with this artstyle. It doesnt look so worse if a tiny chibi figure make as an example a normal idle animation for things this animation doesnt make sense but it still looks better than by a normal sized figure
I rather have the previous graphics and just add new areas and maps rather than make it more (actually worse) visually appeasing
It’s weird sinoh is once again a region of innovation legends is a new expansive take and its the choice made with of diamond and pearl to stop using nostalgia and innovate it is by far the largest creative risk yet in pokemon
I can’t believe we’ve wanted the sinnoh remakes for so long and now they finally do them and they totally screw them up, with a hideous to look at and lazy “chibi” art style
Bring a “Delta Episode” type experience in the post game that fits with darkrai, shaymin, cresselia, & arceus
yes thank you
ehh prolly not Arceus because of Pokemon Legends but maybe a Delta Episode for Giratina and the distortion world 😯⁉️
The people that say “StOp CoMpLaIniNG YoU HaVe BeEn AsKiNg FoR ThIs FoR so LoNg” can shut up, do they think saying that makes it look any better?
Never liked the 3D art styles in the first place.
Hell, there are some Wojak memes that mock the people who are pessimistic about the D/P remakes, and I find it disgusting.
@@tiruliru1189 To a pessimist. Being realistic is being too optimistic.
To a optimist. Being realistic is being too pessimistic.
The remakes won't be bad cause the thing they're copying was a game that wasn't bad to begin with. The remakes won't be good cause they'll raise the proce and give nothing else.
Here's my opinion: I started with platinum, so like you, I have more of an attachment to it then most people. I think that sinnoh is being disrespected rn. This game is basically a training arc for ILCA. The graphics, let's face it, is done not for stylistic reasons but to make ILCA's ( a more inexperienced team) job easier. It looks more like a HD remaster than a full on remake. And not a good one at that. If GF didn't feel like making sinnoh remakes then they should've just said so and I would've been a little upset but I would probably understand.
Oh my god did you ever hit the nail on the head! When I heard of the remakes I was so hype, then when I saw it I was really disappointed. Would have loved some of the overworld stuff from X&Y but with a farther camera in Sinnoh. It always seemed like a region that had lots of potential to be a beautiful journey.
“They didn’t have the horsepower”
Nah man. The 3DS ran Resident Evil Revelations within its first 2 years on market. The seperate models ain’t about horsepower. It’s about Gamefreak being incompetent
i woudln't say the devs are incompetent. the budget for pokemon games is basically non-existant
@Susandrinks Semens bruh i'm saying the exact opposite. they have a small budget because they want to spend less money and they know people will buy it anyways. i'm not saying the budget can't be bigger
@Susandrinks Semens What exactly do you mean "has gotten lazy"? Game freak has always been incompetent and none of the mainline games are exceptional.
@Susandrinks Semens But they aren't incompetent.
Yes, the team is not as good as other AAA game developers in the graphics department, but that doesn't make them incompetent.
To be "incompetent" is to make a product that has a ridiculous amount of unchecked bugs and glitches and is near impossible to play.
The games release with few bugs and the graphics have been bumped up significantly from the previous generation.
There have been significant upgrades to game systems, UI, online play, and balancing. The gameplay, especially in the competitive scene, has continued to be sophisticated enough that Pokemon TH-camrs can (eventually) win with unconventional teams. GameFreak is not incompetent.
What I'm trying to say here is, either you've never actually played a truly shitty game filled to the brim with bugs, you're finally tired of Pokemon after playing it for years and years (and therefore are unable to see anything good in it), or you're trying to give GameFreak a 1-star review when your actual opinion is actually a 3-star review...
That being said, you are really salty.
Just stop playing Pokemon if you dislike GameFreak so much, you're just wasting your time whining about it.
That's what I did for like 3 years after how disappointed I was in USUM. Now that I'm back I'm realizing the games are a lot more beautiful and fun than what the SwSh haters made it seem...
@World Wide Weeb
> Biggest Media Franchise in the world
> Not much of a budget either
Do I really need to explain what’s wrong with your post? As for the rest of it, they have like 1000 mons at this point. They have literally anything they want for merchandise for at least another decade without making new ones. How do I know this? Pokémon spin offs make bank. You are treating entirely different facets as uniform, and to what end? Excuse Gamefreak (a company who’s corporate culture bleeds talent on the regular because people don’t like working there due to its incompetence)
Nintendo pushing Devs? Don’t make me laugh. If Nintendo was actually pushing their devs anymore, BoTW’s open World wouldn’t be empty, and Smash Ultimate would have more than like 2 game modes worth playing. Ambition is not their thing anymore. Hasn’t been in around 10 years.
I think you're the first Pokémon TH-camr I managed to find who understands _exactly_ how I feel about BD/SP's specific chibi art style. I don't really _hate_ how this specific chibi style looks, and I do feel like I'm getting more used to them as time goes by. But I am disappointed by it feels really safe and _too_ faithful to the point where it feels kinda dated and unnecessary, as the latest Pokémon games are capable of having stuff like realistically-scaled human models in the overworld now.
I do think Sw/Sh seem disappointing based on many TH-cam videos about it and admittedly never actually played them out of disinterest of both those titles and the franchise these days... but I admit that I would have loved to see Sinnoh remade to the capability that Sw/Sh had with fully scaled overworld trainer/NPC models. It would have been as exciting as seeing Gold/Silver remade in the same engine and style as D/P/Pt for HG/SS, and Ruby/Sapphire remade with X/Y's flair for OR/AS. These remakes (as well as the first remake, FR/LG) were good ways of introducing older titles to a newer audience, without giving them an experience that feels too dated for said audience by adding in quality-of-life features and such. They were also great ways for older fans to revisit past regions and look back on how much Game Freak has grown since those original titles.
So it was a bit sad to see that BD/SP will not follow suit with past Pokémon remakes by going as safe and "faithful" as possible, instead of taking some cues from Sw/Sh and adding some occasional creative risks with new content. This safe, "remasters-parading-as-remakes" direction really doesn't give fans who still own the original D/P (or even the slightly better Pt) games a real reason to buy these "remakes".
Anyway, thanks for this really entertaining and well-edited video. I also really liked your "The Man Behind the Sinnoh Remakes" and "why you miss the old Pokemon games" videos. Those videos were great too and I shared them on a Discord server or two. Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for the comment and I completely understand how you feel. Glad you like my stuff, and thanks for the share too! :D
@@LewtwoYT - Sorry for the late reply, but you're very welcome!!
I've been spending some time in some of these comment sections over the past few days and it got me thinking about something. Many of these comments are confused as to how some people like me think BD/SP look more like remasters than remakes, saying that OR/AS had a lot of identical-looking locations like in BD/SP's trailer. But I've been looking back at some past trailers/announcements for past remakes and at least those videos made it very clear about what to expect for these games. Since these comments specifically noted OR/AS, I looked back at the first trailer for that game, and even that teaser showed off new content, notably new redesigns of the characters and new Mega Evolutions for the Hoenn starters.
Do you plan on making a video about Pokémon trailers or something? I think that looking past trailers and the first impressions they gave would be something worth talking about in a video.
@@chyandinii that's actually a super interesting video idea and i'll probably keep it in the back of my mind
Please get sword or shield. They get a lot of hate, but they are solid games.
@@kellen8405 - sorry, not interested based on what i saw of my friend playing it and i don't even have a Nintendo Switch
love it when small content creators get recommended like this, definitely some great content ❤️
"I'm aware that these games are still super early-on"
naw, I think it'd be totally fair to judge them on their current state, since that being the final release state definitely feels like that's how Game Freak operates in regard to pokemon games.
I just hope they take a hint and at least give them standing/idle animations so it actually doesn't make it super uncanny valley.
Prediction: The absolute minimum amount of effort is going to be brought to the table, and the game is going to be basically identical except with a chibi artstyle and either no underground or an underground neutered to the point of being useless.
there is going to be the underground, as it was basically confirmed in the original trailer
@H T It's not pessimistic really, it's just that we don't really expect much out of these games since they've just said "faithful remake" and everything points towards the game not being changed other than different graphics and maybe changing a few things about Sinnoh.
@H T The issue is changing the graphics and increasing the price by 50%. I know what faithful remakes are, I just don't really care for a remake that changes nothing about the game other than making them 3D. The games will still be okay, and I'll probably still play them, but a lot of potential is wasted.
@@lordavy7469 exactly. changing one thing and doubling the price. and the chibi artsyle just feels so off on the switch. why make d/p like that when legends:arceus looks like fucking BOTW? it just sits wrong with me. its a copout to be lazy under the guise of being a faithful remake. but the thing is, it isnt a remake. its just a remaster. the exact same thing, just slightly better quality.
@Wiley Midura
why do you bring up the "buy 2 games just to get the full experience" thing only now with D/P? It's been a constant problem throughout the entire series. Really instead of remaking D/P they should have skipped straight to Platinum, but they will never do that because forcing solo players to buy and play the game twice just to fill out their pokedex literally almost doubles their income.
Also imho, D/P could have been better on certain things but i would hardly call it unfinished, just a little lacking. I really wish they actually improved the secret base mechanic, like letting you place planters in your base to grow berries.
The Cloud reference made me laughed so loud.
Personally I think if you're gonna bother with a remake, it makes no sense to make it super loyal to the original. Don't make a remake then.
I think an experimental art style would've been great! It doesn't have to have models that look like the anime. Just something different instead of a copy of the original's look, please
Mostly agree with you. I greatly appreciate the fact that HGSS and ORAS added a lot of new content over base GS and RS. I don't mind the artstyle, but if that's the only thing that's different in BDSP, I don't see the point in playing them over romhacks or even vanilla Platinum.
I don't want to be overly optimistic, but we have only seen 1 trailer, we know game freak but still I prefer waiting before loving or hating or making statements like it's just like the original
@@AsecasJavi Game Freak aren't making this.
@@ItsAv3rageGamer so? masuda is game freak and he's the director, it's not like suddenly ilca does whatever they want
@@AsecasJavi I know but you said we know game freak. It isn't GF making this.
@@ItsAv3rageGamer but we do know game freak, and we know masuda. Even if they are ilca, I think they are just a work force.
You are right about not being game freak tho.
Can I just say how much I love the editing in your videos. It’s very refreshing!
thank you!!
I like the small character art style and sprites, when Pokémon switched to fully 3D is when I decided to stop playing it felt too different. A return to form is welcomed, this game will get me to play again.
Finally someone with the same opinion. I do get that the game looked bad at first but after the new Direct I’m looking forward to BDSP more then the new game.
"Sinnoh itself was such a creative risk"
I remember being so excited to play DP back in the day with my brand new DS wondering how are they going to make use of the 2nd screen (which has touch sensors!!). Smashed with its heavy lore, darker tone, and new features it was such a novel, magical adventure to play DP, a whole new experience compared to the previous titles.
For BDSP going "faithful" is like waiting for santa to come to your house at christmas under the christmas tree only to be told that he doesn't exist at midnight so you'll go to bed.
this is exactly my concern. this announcement has probably been the most devisive thr pokemon community has been since sword and shield and those that are calling it out are making resonable points like this. i just hope its not a lacking everywhere else than it did in the creativity department
Tbh I just want a Let's Go artstyle with the ride pokemon mechanic and everything from the old games, maybe some platinum content + extra story. The Chibi style is so weird looking, it looks like toys on the screen
we wanted the sinnoh remakes for so long and now that they're coming
we're afraid of what they'll be
I miss the look of black and white, that was peak sprite work
i wonder how todays sprites would look if gamefreak decided to stick with sprites instead of 3D models
Is it possible that we pull a “sonic movie” on our favorite game?
YES. Please LETS DO THAT. Thats what I was thinking.
Honestly all they really need to do is remake the chibi characters to look close to ORAS or Let's go style.
Not enough people hate the remakes
@@AlemoBavir oras style, lets go is not the way to go, the battles already look like lets go
I'd like to let it be known that the moment the BDSP remakes were announced and shown off, I immediately went to eBay and bought a used copy of Platinum for £10 considering what they presented me with lol.
Holy shit a copy of Platinum for £10 sounds like a godsend deal... as much as I love the DS Pokémon games, I have to admit that they are often overpriced/way too inflated in the secondhand market.
10£? Wow, that's... Wow, they're sold here for more than 100€ lol
i cant find anything online on what you said on 5:30 does anyone have a link or something to watch this implemented?
My wish is for Pokémon to work with whatever that new game studio that made Octopath traveler is. Imagine a Pokémon remake that isn’t turned into plastic 3D characters, but saturated, digital/paper-layered pixel art that flows like butter. That is honestly the future of new pixel art styles and if Pokémon gets it (either through partnering or copying) then a new golden age would happen I bet
I think the main issue with the Sinnoh remakes is an issue that happens also when things are translated from one language to another. One option is to translate the words directly. You lose some of the nuance of the original language, like feelings or humor, but you have a 'perfect' translation. The alternative is to translate the meaning of the words, which captures the feeling and intent of the original text/speaking but isn't as faithful to the exact wording. Remakes should translate the feeling and intent. The Sinnoh remakes feel like a port, not a remake.
Well said
This is one of the best examples I’ve heard, nice!
But this is false. If you want to translate something to another language its important that the message is translatet not the words. If you just translate the words you will not understand the other part at all. Its like old google translate. You will not understand the text because leaving out humor or feelings will let you to not understand the other parts intentions. Its the most basic thing in languages that you understand the context.
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You must be the soul of any party.
Im fine with the sinnoh remakes being chibi style, i guess, but id be lying if i said i wasnt disappointed. Is there anyone that wanted a 1:1 remake of sinnoh? I have never heard anyone want that. We all wanted a modern sinnoh.
I didn't. The modern style of pokemon just hasn't done it for me. It feels 2-3 gens behind everything else in terms of making a 3D environment feel natural. It was excusable on the 3ds, but on the switch it's kind of embarrassing. At least with this it's like they are admitting they are better off with the semi-2D style.
If Legends isn't lit I'm done with Pokemon for the foreseeable future.
@@cy4069 In the artstyle i will agree with you and making a 1:1 remake would be fine, but i would have loved to have the new pokemon appear in sinnoh have the game mechanics that are the newest gen have the best parts of platinum woven in so it feels like an upgrade a remake at this point it feels more like a re release with 3d models
The new games they made it a cutscene trainride.
I mean I did because I never played those games. But I’d rather experience them with new features like I did with OR/AS
Good video, enjoyed your editing
After not being very hyped about Pokemon Games since Gen5 (but played most of them some years ago), I really wanted to get a remastered Gen4 Game with the new graphics from PkmGo Pikachu/Evee or even Sw/Sh to a certain extend.
I don't mind it being faithful in story, catchable pokemon, etc. But for me I really wanted to enjoy Gen4 in the new graphical glory which is possible with modern hardware - it was for me the reason to be even interested in the remakes.
Seriously my excitement dropped instantly after seeing a second of the trailer...
I'm actually totally fine with the chibi art style as long as the remakes cost 40 bucks.
They aren't going to cost 40 bucks.
They won't cost less than any other Switch game because most Switch games with physical copies have to cost 60$ due to the cartridges being expensive to make. This isn't just problem with triple A games, but also some indie games that get physical releases on the Switch and games available on other consoles for cheaper
It's already confirmed to be 60
Finally someone with half a brain
@@idunno_ if I were you go to Walmart and get the game for $50
@@raptorzeraora2632 unfortunately where I live, Switch games are 70$ so I can't get it for 50$
I see this remake and I feel like "why play the remake when I can play the original?"
Um because most people dont have a ds/3ds anymore, besides the switch is a hybrid console
@@raptorzeraora2632 You forget people can just emulate it
@@raptorzeraora2632 I mean, you can literally play it whenever you want
@@raptorzeraora2632 The games work on cellphones too
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Desmume
And if not that, then Drastic (An emulator on mobile)
Like the statement / explanation at the end. Does feel like an in between, your right.
Can someone provide a link or any information about the addition of gen 5 pokemon into gen4 games? This is something I'd love to try for myself
As someone who hasn't played pokemon seriously in years, I don't think it has anything to do with being "faithful". I believe they just chose to remake it in the laziet but also safest option. "Why truly bring this game and it's world to life now that we have the power when we can just make the game 3d with little to no styling. So what it'll lack the heart and soul of the original but who the hell cares, not like that will stop it from printing money". Everytime I see footage of that game I'm left shaking my head and shading my eyes from that lifeless game footage.
fucking THIS. The Pokemon Company knows that it doesnt matter. It'll sell like hotcakes. All pokemon games do. They didnt even have their main game developers do it, thats how little they cared. I knew it wasnt gonna be another ORAS, but this is just sad
No yall are both wrong. Unfortunately the outroar and cry for the "blasphemy" that was oras is why we're getting these games. People hated ORAS too much that it was nothing like their childhood RSE and too different with mega evolution and the introduction of alternate timelines and creative control (latios and latias being given). The fans wanted a faithful remake. I know this is hard to believe but gamefreak always listens to the fans. It just takes a couple years to see it because gamefreak is always working on 1 or 2 games when they release one. Seeing time restrictions placed on them they can't go back and add these new feedback to games they're already working on so they take this feedback when they start a new game. So what were seeing rn with BDSP is the feedback they got from ORAS. Literally every fan who hated the game was louder than the ones who loved it. Idk if you guys can remember the internet back then when they released but for a whole 2 years video upon video was made about how gamefreak screwed the pooch on this remake.
@@UltraSteelix I don't recall hearing anything really about oras (granted I was pretty removed from pokemon when it came out) besides a few things being frame rate which is obvious, the battle tower I believe, and for me personally I hate the orchestral version for the opening. Personally I like that gen 3 remakes. Even so, if ppl didn't like those remakes I honestly can't see how anyone can look at the upcoming remake and think it's a far better option in any regard. As I said before looking at the footage I couldn't care less if it is "early footage" it still looks soulless and generic. Besides the fact that it's got higher quality models it looks like it should be on a phone.
@@Blackleo18 yeah im not a big fan of of the way they decided to go. I really had hoped they went an oras route or hgss route and just said fuck it ans did what they wanted to do with the remakes. But I kid you not 2 years of just hate on ORAS and the problem is people either forget about it, became fans of the games over time, or just weren't aware of it. But two years of video after video of wanting a faithful remake and then the lead up to the sinnoh remakes of fans wanting a faithful remake. It just breaks my heart seeing the pokemon remakes coming to this. But I do hope they take a FRLG approach to the remakes. Where the post game is where it's at. Hopefully fingers crossed there's a shaymin, darkrai, and arceus event in the post game. (I say arceus because I think im hearing that the new legends game is a single player with no online play so I'm not sure if you'd be able to transfer pokemon caught in that game)
@@UltraSteelix: Seriously? Because likewise this is literally the first time I've ever heard most of these "complaints" about ORAS. I generally recall the games getting mostly glowing praise, especially for the parts that innovated and improved over the originals.
Yes there were some complains, but if anything it tended to be the other way around from everything you're saying. I remember people complaining ORAS didn't have customizable avatars, when the excuse was that fixed avatars was more faithful to the original. I remember people complaining about the lack of a Battle Frontier, when the excuse was that wasn't in the originals either. Even back then when people complained about ORAS it was more often in regards to the parts that were overly "faithful" to the originals.
If BDSP are in anyway a consequence of complaints made against ORAS, it seems Game Freak learned the opposite lesson of what they should have.
I would love Sinnoh with the Sword and Shield graphic style. It's a dream!!
I’d rather them in ORAS or LGPE style. They’re similar, especially LGPE, I know, but there are just little differences that make those two games so much more visually appealing than Sw/Sh.
@@spiicypotato I think everyone would want a LGPE style. That game looks beautiful
Anybody know what fan game or rom hack this is at 6:00?
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The organization of your video editing and the clarity of your scripts deserve more recognition. Here’s to you Lewtwo and your continued success on this platform
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I just hope that they wont use that artstyle in future games
This is a great summary of my own thoughts. In many Gens (particularly 4-6), I’ve enjoyed the first game but enjoy the remakes/third versions that come even more, as they polish things up, give more content, take mechanics from before and make them more interesting.
New forms, new routes, post game content, altered/deepened story elements, and several other factors make games like HGSS, Platinum, BW2, and ORAS shine to me.
Based one what they’ve shown off so far for BDSP? It looks like none of that is going to be their focus. I think the words you used of “Soul” and “What’s their purpose/risks?” summarize it well.
Like you say, I don’t think the games will be bad? I mean, I went back and replayed Platinum just last year and had a lot of fun with it even all these years later. The originals are still good, so if it’s truly 1-1 it won’t be outright terrible? But it still looks like it will fall so short of what it feels like it could be... like you say, a lot of regressing just for “the sake of faithfulness”, when newer quality of life stuff could make things look/work much better, even if we put aside the art style...
wow this video is so clean and well organized, why does this man not have at least a million subs
Anyone got a link to that romhack with the gen 5 pokemon at 5:32 doe?
100% It's amazing how many other youtubers are actually "praising" this art style and how lazy this remaster is. It's literally the bare minimum. No voice acting. Still random battles. We still have 2d-tile sets, albeit in 3d now. It's lazy in every way. I wanted a 3d complete remake of sinnoh. I wanted to see Dawn in 3d to match her concept art. The story and 1-dimensional characters are all probably going to be 1-to-1 as well. I do not get their desire to make a faithful remake... these games were not even great for their time, and they surely don't stand up now as great games. They should have improved upon them massively... full 3d environments... refine the story... add a lot more lore... etc. rather than regress. I'm so disappointed.
yes. i know its "ILCA" instead of "ICLA." i recorded this in my closet in just two hours. it was really warm shut up. i also didnt forget about Porygon2, Steelix Blissey etc, but it's a handful of evolutions VS like twenty so my point still stands about the risk through time invested into that concept
to add to this -- my point was that the Gen 4 evolutions had FAR more time to weigh on people's minds. Scyther -> Scizor was only a couple of years, but Magmar -> Magmortar was way longer for people to get attached. thought that was clear but I need to make a point like that more obvious next time
Just say it as one word, "Ilca" , like they did in the presentation. Then it won't happen again! =P
I think the fact that this is possibly the only noticeable error in the video stands to show how polished and well thought-out it is.
personally I would love a devolved version of the game in the style of fire red and leaf green or heck the orignals, but not everyone is happy with the dpp remakes, seeing it in the let's go or sun and moon style would have been amazing
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11:54 love that jet set radio track
Holy cow you've put my thoughts into words so perfectly, I agree with every single point you've mentioned.
It maybe early and a bit inappropriate to bring this up but if this is really what remakes are going to continue looking like it makes me more concerned for Black and White remakes.
Though perhaps something different will be done with how these are turning out, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the future ultimately holds for remakes.