Sooner or later these e-car companies have to realize that they’re just going to have to stick to what they know with making cars. And let android auto or apple handle the UI.
@@cossieboy facts bro, my model 3 has not had any issues since the begining. i was an early adopter and within the first 2 updates any glitches were fixed, everyone who comes in my car is impressed with the UI, no other manufacturer comes close. the audi/bmw system is very complicated for older people, but i know people 70+ yrs old with teslas that can operate it just fine, who say their last C/E class was so confusing etc
Honestly, I don't even want a head unit. Just provide a docking station hooked up to an amp and speakers that I can plug my phone into via USB, 3.5mm jack, Bluetooth, etc., and I'm good. Adding unnecessary complexity just increases the probability that something will break. It's like these companies refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of their customers already have user friendly interfaces with which they're VERY familiar that could easily save them millions (billions?) in manufacturing costs.
What are you smoking???? Google, Microsoft and Apple already have major divisions in the auto industry and dominate as preferred UI. They have been making software for cars for over a decade now.
Automotive engineer here. That front suspension is actually double ball joint not double wishbone, which is actually a really good thing because double ball joint is great for handling and some other stuff. Pretty much the two lower ball joints creates a virtual kingpin axis for the front wheels. This translates to a better scrub radius, better steering feel, and more traction at high steering angles than you would get from normal double wishbone. Also those rear toe arms you pointed out look like they are already serving as part of a passive rear wheel steering setup that changes the rear geometry based on the suspension travel. Very cool stuff and should make for a car with good handling and a good feel.
It's insane that a lot of companies are shipping products that are not finished yet and keep promising to bring more features, not doing their work after 2 years. (See Polestar 2)
I think the reason is that making an actual car is a ton of work, requires a lot of logistics/supply chain, materials and machine and man-hours, and once you start rolling out actual cars sitting on them would bankrupt most companies in short order, they have to push them out to finance making more, thus not really viable to delay the car if the software isn't ready.
Still waiting for the lawsuit of the Tesla owners that want their cars to be a taxi and make them 30k a year. I think it was promised idk 5 years ago and will never happen😂. Well, at least Tesla is banned from calling their autopilot autopilot in Germany because it’s not even close to being a autopilot.🤷🏼♂️
I love Car TH-cam but it has sorely missed these kinds of extensive technical breakdowns, especially from a quality and usability perspective for the driving experience. You guys are the best.
Can we get an LTT review of the tech in cars. Not just the camera count and everything, but the silicon (and how old it is) in cars? What is actually powering all of the pretty screens in today's cars?
Something I want to see (which no one does) is how much power each of the USB ports provide. Can any of them provide fast charging? USB-PD? Power a laptop?
what everybody else said but also, you really don't need anything powerful to run a car. Maybe things are getting more complicated with electric cars but you're not gonna use anything serious.
12:42 Not gunna lie, the names Google came up for Android Auto and Android Automotive are very confusing. They're completely different, yet sound like they would be exactly the same thing. Android Auto is more or less a way to cast your phone to your car in a driver friendly interface. Android Automotive is a full stand alone operating system.
@@MarcRitzMD But you can still have Android Auto without needing Android Automotive. Most (all?) aftermarket head units have their own home grown OS and not Android Automotive. Os it goes without saying, you can have one without the other. Same goes for Chromeasts. You can have a Chromecast without having Google TV. At least that's how it was years ago with the original Chromecast and Chromecast4k. I haven't bothered to look because I have a shield, but maybe they changed it in recent years? Either way, we're still back to square one of them being very confusing names.
@@jensalan yah, you got it right. I am just pointing out how Google put out a name that is very clunky with "Chromecast with Google TV", yet at least its clear to everyone. When Alex mentioned Android Automotive, I didn't even realize that it isn't just Android Auto. I thought he was just using a regional or possibly more official name for Android Auto. Google could have probably gone with something more distinctive like "Android Autobot"
Most bs thing: android automotive doesn't include android auto. So if your app works with android auto you cannot be shure it works with android automotive as well.
Regen is great...if it's optional, and it needs to be adjustable without taking eyes off the road, like on a stalk, pedal or dash switches. As a professional driver, I can say confidently that coasting and driveline braking are both crucial, and being able to control them intuitively is more important for safety and driver fatigue than almost any other feature in a vehicle.
I like the setup that Hyundai and I think Kia has where they have the paddle shifters to control the level of breaking from the regenerative braking. They sold it as a "gear shifter" when I got my car, which it can feel like at times. The car starts as a level 1 regardless of where you had it before you started the car, and it feels mostly like regular transmission breaking. Level two and three add about twice and almost three times the amount, but level 3 is a little bit less than that I think. It also gives you the option to go to level zero, which feels like you're just rolling in neutral. One issue I have with it though, is that you cannot control the paddles when you're actually breaking, you have to lay off the brake or start accelerating in order for you to control the levels. Also have a 2022 bolt EUV, and that thing has no real in between, just one paddle on the left to enact the full force of the regenerative braking, or putting it into "one-foot driving," were you only actually the accelerator to keep the car at a steady speed, lay up and it starts doing the regenerative braking. It doesn't have enough stopping power to fully stop the car in any reasonable amount of time if you need to come to a complete stop at speed. I haven't tested the sport mode setting for the car enough to really gauge if that makes a difference or not in terms of breaking, but it does make a difference in acceleration.
@@kaldo_kaldo What's that matter? The tire diameter is the gear ratio. Unless you get smaller and bigger tires with the different wheel sizes, which doesn't make much sense.
Great work Alex! What I appreciate the most about your review: the honesty in admitting that it is not possible for you to put a quantitative rating on it. Instead, you objectively pointed out the pros and cons of the Lucid so that everyone can make up their own mind. I feel like reviewers nowadays often feel forced to stick to their regular, quantitative rating-scheme, so they often put a number out there, that doesn't quite do the product justice - no matter in which direction.
This car is basically the best in hardware worst in software. I have actually used this car in Vancouver and I haven't experienced everything Alex experienced but I can relate to a lot of the things Alex mentions
It's an American car, it's a new American car company's first car, the company and the car both exist as a fuck you to Elon Musk... I'm impressed the thing goes along the road at all.
I'd settle for a stupidly low-tech version of this car. No touchscreens, no cameras, oldschool clock/radio with buttons, physical knobs for vents and volume, audio input jack, that's it. And in return just give me the superior handling, range, and charge time.
That's kind of an odd comment, since if there's one thing Tesla got right, it's the software. Sure, full autonomous driving isn't here yet, but it's a ridiculously hard problem to solve. Aside from that that, the software in Teslas is stellar. Everything works perfectly, the driver assist is insanely good and will only beep in actually dangerous situations, etc. The GPS is competent (though I strongly suspect it's just using Google Maps with a new GUI) and it's been extremely reliable for me.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 EXACTLY! This shit is the future of the automotive industry being held back by dumbass unnecessary tech. Just gimme something cheap and simple.
@@griffin8062 To be fair, those issues are basically all resolved now. It was mostly an issue when it was just one factory since it was responsible for all revenue and any reduction in production could destroy the company. Now the company has iterated and perfected much of the production process, so most issues in build are largely fixed.
Weirdly (?) Alex is the best car reviewer of them all. The "real" automotive journalists I follow all missed the crappy aspects of the BMW iX, this Lucid, the Ioniq, etc. Thanks a bunch for this quality stuff!
Bruh, don’t know what car reviewers you follow, if its MKBHD or other tech channels then yea Alex is the best reviewer in that area. His review lacked some automotive knowledge and was decent compared to real automotive car channels. 1. The Lucid being as quiet as the EQS is a joke if you watched any other reviews and the Lucid has a way too firm/hard suspension as it has no air suspension and the EQS is levels above it in that regard. Yet Alex goes on about how good the suspension is for driving when its literally not a sports car but a luxury EV for 200k that should prioritise comfort. That the Lucid is better handling than the Taycan they had, takes away credibility. 2. Don’t make me go on about the dyno test and why it didn’t achieve the advertised specs. 3. Saying Tesla is the only other manufacturer that has birds eye view and shows the distance to other cars is false, Tesla is one of the view who doesn’t have it while many other cars like the EQS and Taycan have it. Also the BMW iX is by far the best EV SUV you can buy today in its class.
@@ThomasEgerton Except for the kidney grills it looks very good, especially the rear and the interior is a peace of art. The BMW iX starts at $85k US while the Tesla Model X starts at $126k US...do people even realize what BMW is offering here? A very well equipped iX with lots of extras is still cheaper than a base Model X. The BMW is sold out for the next 2 years in the US and absolutely dominates Model X sales in Europe for a reason! Then Alex comes and says the BMW iX is so freaking expensive because their test car was over 100k lmao, but an, in every aspect, overpriced Lucid for over 180k is somehow okay, this dude is anything but objective.
Love that the entire last part of this video was just complaining about the software. Which FUCKING THANK YOU. Car software should NOT be as shit as it is right now. Phones have better car software than cars do right now and I’m so tired of seeing shitty car software experienced.
I wish car manufacturers would honestly just give up on the software side of vehicles and let the big companies that have been doing it for decades handle it. Let Google or Apple put android automotive or Apple carplay in literally every car and you get to choose which one you prefer upon purchase of the car.
You should test the Bolt EV. It’s the most affordable car right now meaning most relevant for your audience because they might actually be able to buy it. I have one if you want to test it.
So.. since I am designing the software user experience for a major car brand that has also been covered already: Let me tell you, it isn't as simple as designing an app or a game sadly for one reason: SAFETY! A game can crash once in a while but the standards while driving are insane. Also car companies don't have huge development teams (yet) because unlike apple or google there is no money printing machine with insane margins in the background.
Knowing one of the first owners who tried doing a Costco food run. They went to return the shopping cart the car some how went into full lock out mode, the tech on the phone tried for hours but days later they sent a big rig and box trailer. Mind you the driver thought you could drive it in the trailer LOL. Week later a flat bed was sent out the CEO is super cool and cares about customers. Was fun for a few hours and not the only user to have that issue. Glad yours lasted longer and only had a 15min lock out when the tech did a remote reboot and it didnt come back alive him saying ohh shit was so funny.
The best part is that in many electric car discussions, the lucid air has been cited as the car to end all the discussions. The one with all the range and fast enough charging to rival gas. And, well, it does do that. But for the price of a house and look what state they ship in.
This car would be my dream electric if they removed all the bells and whistles and just shipped this range and charging capacity. most consumers just want range and reliability, something most electrics have problems with. with this car i could make my 400 mile trip in the middle of winter without worrying about adding an extra 2 hours of charging to it halfway through.
@@quazy1328 because in a realistic sense unless you're going 80+ that capacity is enough for 6 hours of nonstop driving more than long enough that people want a break, or to go eat some food, which in that time could be enough to get another 500 miles. so it is functionally similar
@@kontanaizumi And that takes about 15 minutes, and with a family of 6 it takes about 20-25 then you are back on the road for another 500 miles. Almost like I grew up taking road trips.
@@quazy1328 I did too and if you're actually a family going to a sitdown place and eating that takes a good while. and even if you only take 30, it will have over 400 miles on it ready because it's stated time to charge to 300 is 22minutes. so yeah close
About the power numbers. You have to also factor in drive train losses. Most manufacturers numbers they report are the power coming from the motor and not from the wheels. All the weight causes power losses to actually turn the wheels.
I wonder if the HP difference is also coming from the “at the crank” vs “at the wheel” HP ratings that happens on gasoline cars. So the electric car manufacturer are using similar measurement methodology? It is possible the motors at the shaft produces close to 780 HP but at the wheel it is less? Dyno measures at the wheel number which always lower than manufacturers HP number. Plus Mustang Dynos tend to read out numbers lower than other type of dynos.
This Lucid Air a perfect example of my view on products. I don't care if you have all the latest and greatest features - I just want things to *work* when you need it. It's not about who did it first, it's who did it well and properly. Stability > features any day. A car that locks you out due to software instabilities should have a recall or emergency software update IMHO.
and here I thought ID3 was the buggy mess in recent history. seems like a premium brand startup can just top that these days with less than beta ready software.
That is exactly what you'd expect. An established car maker should have a more polished experience because they can build on top of their existing stuff
@@MarcRitzMD but since none of the older manufacturers actually program their own software, they aren’t able to implement new improvements as easily. I would have expected more from a startup like this
@@SyntheticSpy I don't know how that would matter. Take the VW ID. They can keep everything in it the same and just switch out the motor, tank and powertrain.
I'm sold! Whenever I get an electric car, this is the basis for the features I would want. Physical controls, awesome range, storage, speed, surround view. Teslas don't actually call my attention. This Lucid car looks perfect. I don't care about autopilot or any extra features of that sort.
Even though I don't like ltt some days, after watching some cycling videos by proper cycling media I realise how much more honest ltt is at delivering news. They're not shills , I'm glad Linus just has to say buy bottles 10 times instead of blatantly lying about the product. Props to Linus and his dedication to giving honest reviews on products.
I have the Air Pure (starting price: $87,400) reserved at the original $77,400 starting price, and eligible for the original U.S. $7,500 EV Tax Credit, and 3 years of free charging, which will come in handy with me traveling to from CA to NV a lot.
It's quite unseen how fucked the software on this is. Tesla and Lucid Air seem not to have the QC control measures that traditional automakers have so strictly in place. Sad to buggy software let done a masterpiece of a car. No doubt the issues will be fixed but they shouldn't have ever shipped the car like this in the first place.
@@jay-uo2bi That's because they are separate divisions and somewhat act as a completely different company. It's a micro-management and support problem that almost every company on earth deals with. Same can be said for literally any product.
We are at a very awkward stage in auto industry. The vehicles get shipped first and the features get added/fixed later through software updates, like your sub $1500 consumer electronic. Auto should have stricter regulation on what gets released. There is no software without bugs and takes multiple rounds of rigorous testing to iron out bugs. And that's fine for a handheld, but not for a 2 ton alexa on wheels. I mean, imagine if fast and furious had the situation at 14:38
Honestly this is the best review so far! Says that this is the best car that needs software and hardware integration. This is what all of us need to hear. Lucid fixes this and I am assuming this is a 10/10. Right now it’s a 6.5/10.
an elderly man here in my hometown has a Dream edition, he offered to let me give it a whirl, i politely declined as I was covered in paint and sweat, but mainly cause I was nervous that murphys law would decide to show face. I see the gent weekly and he always says the offer still stands. He says he just drives it around his ex spouses house to show what she bought.
I'd suspect the difference in torque might be due to the drivetrain losses not being figured in. You're still going to have drivetrain losses between the output side of the electric motors and the surface of the tires, (because of gear meshing, heating of the gears and grease/oil due to friction, heating of the motor itself, etc.) so that might account for a bit of the loss. They don't specify wheel torque on Lucid's website, so I'd suspect that's it. The manufacturer numbers may be the equivalent of "brake" torque (and hp), as opposed to "wheel" torque (and hp). Obviously, since this has front and rear motors, there shouldn't be as much drivetrain loss as a gas all wheel drive gas-powered car with a driveshaft connecting the axles, but still. So even before the correction factors that you can't input, and the issue of not going full wide open throttle (er... full accelerator, in this case) you'll probably still have small losses. Plus, depending on whether ABS was disabled (which may not be possible, usually this is done by pulling fuses on normal cars), if any slip was detected, torque vectoring/traction control may be interfering. It may be minor, but it may account for some of the loss if there's a slight difference in speeds between the rollers during the dyno pull. Also, props to using Odesza for sound validation. :) Can't say I'd use anything different. Lol
Alex and I clearly have very different ideas of what a massive trunk looks like ... Love his car reviews, but he and I care about very different things in a car
I LOVE that you guys are starting to touch base on cars that are heavy on new tech. I think you're pretty well suited for this and I can't wait to see what comes!
This thing is supposed to compete with cars like the S63 AMG: most of the performance of a Model S Plaid with more range and an actual luxury interior. Still not quite as nice as a Mercedes-Maybach or Lexus Bespoke, but still opulently beautiful and comfortable. Absolute damn shame about the software issues, especially since the hardware is so amazing.
@@romannasuti25 There isn't a current S63 to compete with, the EQS580 is the direct Mercedes opponent. Audi E-Tron, Porsche Taycan and BMW i7 all come to mind aswell as competition.
at this rate for sure if I live long enough to need a next car, it can be electric, charge quickly, look great, and have the latest tech. I bought a car during 2020 lockdown BTW and would have gone electric but the charge infrastructure wasn't (and isn't) there, and the charge speed was abysmal. We're at the point it seems that you can drive continuously from point A to B if you had two drivers. That's amazing!
@@abdulhfhd I didnt say it was tho And it depends on where you are ion the world, in most of north america, all they need to do is add one more wheel and its a 2 seat car, in some states an enclosed 3 wheeler is licenced/insured/taxed as a car.
"You don't want to drive 800km/day" But if I am going somewhere far away I will because I don't want to waste holiday days travelling. Of course one will have short breaks so 800km range EV works perfectly - except that when it gets sub-zero and you drive on a highway speeds it is likely more like 500km.
Apparently, the 2.0 version of the UI software fixed a ton of these problems. I assume that version wasn't present for this review. Totally agree that they should have all of these issues sorted before delivering a car with this kind of price tag.
I have driven the Lucid on a dyno several times. It does have a Regen disable mode for coasting down, and a specific Dyno mode that allows it to run on a dyno, yes it still throws all the warning but it lets you drive it no problem.
2:00 now THAT ain't the sound you're used to hearing from a dyno pull XD What's fascinating about this car is that it seems to be an almost perfect opposite to the Tesla Model S. Amazing hardware that's basically second to none, but horrible software. Dang. That's a huge bummer.
I don't understand the surround camera (bird eye view) part, how is Tesla the only other car manufacturers doing it when Tesla is actually one of the view that doesn't have birdy eye view, the EQS and many other cars have it and will show you the distance to other objects...
Still waiting for you guys to test a Polestar 2 (or any car with Android Automotive built in). It's the tech / software / music parts I'm interested in. There are many car reviewers that will tell me about the boot space, or how nice the seats are ;-)
If I had to guess the part you mentioned very briefly at 4:00 could also be related to why the numbers are all off by a little bit… at high speeds the readings might come back lower.
I work at a local pet store in the middle of a bad part of town and I saw one of these in our parking lot. I'd never even heard of Lucid before. My only thought was "what idiot drove that car here? It's gonna get broken into instantly"
Just also came to say I like the car reviews and you guys should keep it up. I think they're great and really a smart move from who the other channel's target audience is. I like tech, I like cars, these are tech cars explained by reasonably skilled tech guys. A big thank you.
Wow! I can't believe all the things that would drive me crazy with this car that no other review I've seen has mentioned. Then again were any of those actual reviews? I guess I watch lots of really long commercials without realizing it.
You have a very different definition of "Massive storage" than I. I would love to see an electric car that had a real key, real door locks, and, you know, wasn't bogged down to shit with all the electronic nonsense.
Love that suspension design. Good, solid, heavy forged aluminum. Fold down rear center console is one of those little features you really appreciate. Personally, I prefer cloth seats, but I'm sure you can get it with them. As of replacing the perfectly good Google Apps with the crappy ones from Amazon, it is the most awful thing one could do for this. I understand replacing them with open source versions or vendor created ones, but Amazon?! Give me a break! It's like saying I'm not going to water my garden with grey water, so I'll just pump the contents of the latrines.
I was so excited about Lucid when I first heard about them. I put my reservation deposit in as soon as I saw it was open. Then I saw the roof. WHY do electric car makers think their cars need all glass roofs? I live in southern Nevada. No amount of A/C will prevent the summer sun's UV rays from cooking you alive, even through "coated" glass. After seeing that all their models will share that bad design decision, I pulled my reservation out. Rivian did the same thing with the R1S. It's almost as if all these EV makers want me to buy a Tesla (I don't want a Tesla). EV MAKERS (not Tesla): The first one of you who makes a car WITHOUT a glass roof will get my money.
But Tesla does the all glass roof thing, too. 🤷♂ I agree, though. The glass roof thing is a deal-breaker for me on any car. I don't even want a sunroof.
Just waiting for these car videos to go full on old school Top Gear :P the cars are already nearing the same level of ridiculous unaffordability as they had in that show, now we just need the goofing around and two more hosts :)
Lucid Air review before R1T!? Heck if I were you I would’ve put the Air first too given that it’s had little to know coverage compared to the R1T. Seems like such a good car, shame it’s being bogged down by half baked tech. The camera and sensor setup is truly impressive and that interior is just *chefs kiss* and if it drives anywhere near as good as the Taycan than that’s really something. Anywho, loving these videos. Keep up the amazing work
Not a car person. So I started watching this expecting to quickly skip to the conclusion. Ended up watching the whole video. Excellent work Alex, you got me hooked.
No one needs 800km range. No one. I have driven 1000 miles in a day from Piraeus Greece to Austria, you have to stop to pee, stretch your legs, have a bite to eat, clear your head. You can be charging at these times. At the end of a 1000 miles you are completely knackered. You really need those 20 minutes breaks. Just like long distance lorry drivers need them. Range issue is such an ICE thing its crazy.
@@FireMunki63 Last weekend we drove 800km in "one go" with one stop. I changed with my wife midway and thats it. 30min brake max. But with a longer stop this distance should not be a problem with an electric car.
@@thany3 The continent is North America but he is Canadian and not American. You could however technically say he's North American. Either way, your initial statement was incorrect.
Fun video. Just dropping by in summer 2024 to say most of those software issues have been sorted out through OTA updates. Nav is now quite good. Wireless CarPlay works but still no Android Auto. Lane keeping is really good (you can adjust level of intrusion and turn off audio warnings. It now lets me wear sunglasses, etc., etc. Many new features added like dog mode, auto park, improved audio, Auto seat retract and restore per profile, and more that I have forgotten. Driving mine for 2 years now and still in love.
Nice, I've been thinking of buying a Lucid Air. Wanted to know how much better it was now, vs videos like this. Is the interface laggy at all? I know that was a common complaint. What model year is your lucid? Does it have a sentry mode of any kind? I have a mach e that was keyed, and it doesn't have sentry mode. I'd be worried if I bought an expensive lucid someone would key it also. How is the turn radius on the lucid as well? My Mach E kinda turns like a boat. I want my next EV to be more nimble and turn better in tight spaces.
@@bradleyfrank7933 I got my Air GT in early '22. The screens boot up instantly now, but I really recommend finding a way to visit a Lucid Studio (locations listed on their site) to see one hands-on. It's the driving feel that will win you over. Sentry mode- Lucid has an alarm & tow off setting, no video (I doubt the utility of that anyway, not like the cops will start an investigation). Turning circle feels good but Air is a big-ish car. The surround view cameras are an amazing tool for parking in tight spaces. Parking sensors are very accurate. HTH
This was a very interesting video to see, especially since Lucid was supposed to be hyped up a ton. To see if fall so flat is somewhat sad, but hopefully they figure out whatever manufacturing or development woes and get them fixed ASAP. Side note, I'd still love to see a VW ID.4 2022/3 review and an ID.Buzz review when they seed them out :)
To be fair, he raved about the engineering, interior, mechanical and fit and finish portions of the car but pointed out that the software blows. Which is pretty bad considering the price, but fortunately software problems are much easier to fix after the fact. I really hope that Lucid stays afloat and is able to address these issues as I’d like to see it succeed. As consumers we all win by having a diverse number of vehicle manufacturers to drive improvements and price reductions. I’d eventually like to be able to afford a Lucid but I wouldn’t buy one with the kinds of problems shown in the video, I’m not wealthy enough to have a non-functional vehicle, especially at that price! If Lucid ends up in a shaky financial situation, they will likely be bought out by another auto manufacturer, some of their tech is pretty equivalent to Tesla (not software 🤣😭) and ahead of most of the traditional automakers.
Finally!!! I’ve been commenting for so long abt this car 🥲. Instead of using the usual 400v system like other electric car makers, Lucid has a 900v battery and drivetrain. Which means they can get same power output while drawing half the current and thus electrical resistance is decreased by 75%!! That’s why this car is soo efficient and has good range. Another thing that contributes to this range is that 0.2 drag coefficient. Is there any way you guys can get hold of a Lucid Air Dream edition Performance? That car is on an even another level.
@@mcslender2965 maybe, or maybe not. It depends I guess. I’m sure a lotta money went into R&D for this unique voltage and using unconventional parts since most EVs top out at 400-500V. So they can’t just use random off the shelf parts like other car makers can do.
5:42 "You don't want to drive 800km in a day". Agreed, but if you listen to a vocal minority (?) of dinosaur juice enthusiasts they do 1000km in one leg every other day.
The range anxiety is overhyped. I personally believe it's exactly those kinds of people overhyping it to try and make EVs seem like it's not worth it. The average American drives around 30 miles a day, so even an EV with 200 to 300 miles over range would be more than enough for city driving and occasional trips.
I used to work in automotive infotainment software for a while for a big manufacturer and I'm not surprised. It's very complex, takes lots of people and hardware to test, and there are ALWAYS more bugs. You either need more money (people) or more time, and eventually there's a hard deadline for the new release. All the not-quite-critical bugs get demoted to something where they basically don't matter and can be shipped. Maybe a very desparate team would ship critical bugs too when they don't crash the car. After the release, the bugs get their original priority back. Occasionally you get a bug that has a low priority AND high risk attached to it (meaning trying to fix it might break other things or take way too much time), and then that bug simply won't get fixed. Ever. And fixing bugs isn't really most people's career goals, so it's mostly people fresh out of school doing it, or people who basically missed an exit and now feel like they are doomed. You sit there, fixing one bug after the other, making the code progressively worse because you don't get enough time to do it "right", praying for some new feature request so you can use at least 1% of the skills you studied for. (I'm glad I got out, even though the people working there were kinda fun)
Alex, should you be holding the sound meter while it's reading? Your hand vibrations in most of them can mess up the readings. Not sure about yours but I don't see why holding it would be okay. Also I hate that they require Tidal. Tidal is a pretty questionable company.
Alexa: Do you want me to increase the temperature by 5 or turn on driver seat ventilation? What do you want me to do when you say that? Alex: YES Also Alex: Alexa is totally broken!!!
Range, looks, charging, trunk capacity, and ,?frunk storage.. look superb. When will EV makers stop with the ridiculous 'smart' stuff that is just so idiotic though? It's from the most minor of things like that charging flap, just have a mechanical panel that opens, nobody cares about soft electronic openers.. to the major flaws in the software. Some of the proper/ physical switchgear looks okay on this car, but what is it with the alpha level of shipping software that is just a distraction from driving experience? People do not give a bleeping bleep about digging 5 deep into menus to make an adjustment that used to just be a button.
@@nilleftw Good point. They should fix that with embedded micro heaters built into those panels /s Actually not too unlikely to happen, sounds very akin to the old story about 'nasa spending ?millions on a pen for astronauts that works in space, Roscosmos gave theirs pencils'
Crazy how you can really tell this came from same man who made the original Model S. The original Model S also had an insane amount of issues caused by everything being overly automated and mine also had an issue with the front passenger door handle not retracting, funny coincidence, maybe its a personal easter egg of sorts.
im just counting the things that will break in a year, lets see so far i have Charging port door Door handles Electric trunk rear screen ,and basically everything else
Have you not seen other high-end luxury cars for the better part of a decade? Or Teslas? They are basically identical and many are on the road with zero issues. It's all part of how you maintain the car. Plus you aren't buying a $150k+ car to not take care of it. Chances are that if you are buying this car you have the funds to have the issues delt with and most of the issues are technical, not mechanical so it can easily be fixed and often for free.
my favourite part about this is knowing that you guys will always call out poor manufacturing whether its hardware or software. thanks guys
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@@TheAceTroubleshooter yes yes it's been changed
did you even saw the video? A Prius is more reliable
@@Karma-lo3dn did you read my comment?
@@Karma-lo3dn please it makes the ID3 looks good here.
Sooner or later these e-car companies have to realize that they’re just going to have to stick to what they know with making cars. And let android auto or apple handle the UI.
The boomer execs are too arrogant to let that happen.
No tesla did a great job with the ui they should just hire better people
@@cossieboy facts bro, my model 3 has not had any issues since the begining. i was an early adopter and within the first 2 updates any glitches were fixed, everyone who comes in my car is impressed with the UI, no other manufacturer comes close. the audi/bmw system is very complicated for older people, but i know people 70+ yrs old with teslas that can operate it just fine, who say their last C/E class was so confusing etc
Honestly, I don't even want a head unit. Just provide a docking station hooked up to an amp and speakers that I can plug my phone into via USB, 3.5mm jack, Bluetooth, etc., and I'm good. Adding unnecessary complexity just increases the probability that something will break. It's like these companies refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of their customers already have user friendly interfaces with which they're VERY familiar that could easily save them millions (billions?) in manufacturing costs.
What are you smoking???? Google, Microsoft and Apple already have major divisions in the auto industry and dominate as preferred UI. They have been making software for cars for over a decade now.
Considering the car can turn itself off for 15 minutes, have to admire Jake for getting in that boot and letting them close it on him.
Hopefully the emergency release is always hot.
Cars sold in the US have a mandatory emergency release for any trunk/storage area big enough to fit a child.
@@D3Vlicious Yeah but aren't they in Canadia? I think in Canada you have to ask the car politely to let you out.
@@sonnyrodriguez9850 oh my god ur so funny and original.
@@TheTemplarnight At least it was contributing unlike yours
Automotive engineer here. That front suspension is actually double ball joint not double wishbone, which is actually a really good thing because double ball joint is great for handling and some other stuff. Pretty much the two lower ball joints creates a virtual kingpin axis for the front wheels. This translates to a better scrub radius, better steering feel, and more traction at high steering angles than you would get from normal double wishbone.
Also those rear toe arms you pointed out look like they are already serving as part of a passive rear wheel steering setup that changes the rear geometry based on the suspension travel.
Very cool stuff and should make for a car with good handling and a good feel.
Very informative, thank you!
I used to be a virtual kingpin but then my GTA V savegame got deleted...
It's insane that a lot of companies are shipping products that are not finished yet and keep promising to bring more features, not doing their work after 2 years. (See Polestar 2)
or roughly 80% of AAA games from the last 5 years
@@pitecusH compare 70 dollar game and 240k car.
@BahadirM Just curious - what promised features are missing from the Polestar 2?
I think the reason is that making an actual car is a ton of work, requires a lot of logistics/supply chain, materials and machine and man-hours, and once you start rolling out actual cars sitting on them would bankrupt most companies in short order, they have to push them out to finance making more, thus not really viable to delay the car if the software isn't ready.
Still waiting for the lawsuit of the Tesla owners that want their cars to be a taxi and make them 30k a year. I think it was promised idk 5 years ago and will never happen😂. Well, at least Tesla is banned from calling their autopilot autopilot in Germany because it’s not even close to being a autopilot.🤷🏼♂️
@17:05 highly recommend when you ever try to show us how long something takes and you speed it up 5x you also add a stopwatch
Yeah I thought he was going to say how long it took, in seconds, but they just keep going onto the next topic.
Damn a 16,000 watt power supply! Wow! Seasonic defies all logic
Just what it takes to hold a next-generation PC
Minimum power requirement for the 4090.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez HAHA I died.
Haha I didn't even catch that he said 16 000 W
Should be good for at least the 40 and 50 series from Nvidia!
I love Car TH-cam but it has sorely missed these kinds of extensive technical breakdowns, especially from a quality and usability perspective for the driving experience. You guys are the best.
Check out SavageGeese if you want deep dives
Can we get an LTT review of the tech in cars. Not just the camera count and everything, but the silicon (and how old it is) in cars? What is actually powering all of the pretty screens in today's cars?
It's usually FPGA's and custom stuff, tesla use AMD these days iirc.
proprietary SoC in every board
Something I want to see (which no one does) is how much power each of the USB ports provide. Can any of them provide fast charging? USB-PD? Power a laptop?
what everybody else said but also, you really don't need anything powerful to run a car. Maybe things are getting more complicated with electric cars but you're not gonna use anything serious.
@@username65585 Bro most new cars today have outlets so you can basically charge up whatever you want.
alex is usually such a chill guy so i had a blast watching him rant about the stupid stuff
12:42 Not gunna lie, the names Google came up for Android Auto and Android Automotive are very confusing. They're completely different, yet sound like they would be exactly the same thing.
Android Auto is more or less a way to cast your phone to your car in a driver friendly interface.
Android Automotive is a full stand alone operating system.
They could have followed the naming scheme of "Chromecast with Google TV" and called it "Android Auto with Android Automotive"
@@MarcRitzMD But you can still have Android Auto without needing Android Automotive. Most (all?) aftermarket head units have their own home grown OS and not Android Automotive. Os it goes without saying, you can have one without the other.
Same goes for Chromeasts. You can have a Chromecast without having Google TV. At least that's how it was years ago with the original Chromecast and Chromecast4k. I haven't bothered to look because I have a shield, but maybe they changed it in recent years?
Either way, we're still back to square one of them being very confusing names.
@@jensalan yah, you got it right. I am just pointing out how Google put out a name that is very clunky with "Chromecast with Google TV", yet at least its clear to everyone.
When Alex mentioned Android Automotive, I didn't even realize that it isn't just Android Auto. I thought he was just using a regional or possibly more official name for Android Auto. Google could have probably gone with something more distinctive like "Android Autobot"
Most bs thing: android automotive doesn't include android auto.
So if your app works with android auto you cannot be shure it works with android automotive as well.
Clearer names would be...hmm Android AutoCast and Android for Automotives
Regen is great...if it's optional, and it needs to be adjustable without taking eyes off the road, like on a stalk, pedal or dash switches. As a professional driver, I can say confidently that coasting and driveline braking are both crucial, and being able to control them intuitively is more important for safety and driver fatigue than almost any other feature in a vehicle.
I like the setup that Hyundai and I think Kia has where they have the paddle shifters to control the level of breaking from the regenerative braking. They sold it as a "gear shifter" when I got my car, which it can feel like at times.
The car starts as a level 1 regardless of where you had it before you started the car, and it feels mostly like regular transmission breaking. Level two and three add about twice and almost three times the amount, but level 3 is a little bit less than that I think. It also gives you the option to go to level zero, which feels like you're just rolling in neutral.
One issue I have with it though, is that you cannot control the paddles when you're actually breaking, you have to lay off the brake or start accelerating in order for you to control the levels.
Also have a 2022 bolt EUV, and that thing has no real in between, just one paddle on the left to enact the full force of the regenerative braking, or putting it into "one-foot driving," were you only actually the accelerator to keep the car at a steady speed, lay up and it starts doing the regenerative braking. It doesn't have enough stopping power to fully stop the car in any reasonable amount of time if you need to come to a complete stop at speed. I haven't tested the sport mode setting for the car enough to really gauge if that makes a difference or not in terms of breaking, but it does make a difference in acceleration.
Actuate, not actually. I'm too lazy to open the app to edit this.
the wheels add ratio to the final drive, so that's probable the correct HP.
They should have done it with 19s
@@kaldo_kaldo What's that matter? The tire diameter is the gear ratio. Unless you get smaller and bigger tires with the different wheel sizes, which doesn't make much sense.
Drivetrain loss maybe?
Great work Alex!
What I appreciate the most about your review: the honesty in admitting that it is not possible for you to put a quantitative rating on it. Instead, you objectively pointed out the pros and cons of the Lucid so that everyone can make up their own mind.
I feel like reviewers nowadays often feel forced to stick to their regular, quantitative rating-scheme, so they often put a number out there, that doesn't quite do the product justice - no matter in which direction.
I'm sure all 400 owners getting them per quarter are just thrilled.
This. It's nice that they're even producing them at all though!
But right now, all we see are press cars.
Apparently they have dramatically ramped up production in the last week to 50 cars a day. We'll see.
There at 600+ now
@@niradgupta4075 “we’re ramping up production” is the official slogan of these startups lmao
@@ToreOnTH-cam the car in the video is literally an owned car and not a press car, lol
In fairness to the car, I didn't see a single external shot where you weren't halfway outside your lane in every curve, lol.
Happy to see you guys reviewing more cars!
This car is basically the best in hardware worst in software. I have actually used this car in Vancouver and I haven't experienced everything Alex experienced but I can relate to a lot of the things Alex mentions
I love these car reviews with Alex. Keep em coming!
Damn for $185k I would expect everything to work perfectly
It's an American car, it's a new American car company's first car, the company and the car both exist as a fuck you to Elon Musk... I'm impressed the thing goes along the road at all.
@@gospelofrye6881 not a good reason to buy it.
I think this is just the expectation we have to have for car companies out of California. High tech, lots of "promised features", poor QA.
I'd settle for a stupidly low-tech version of this car. No touchscreens, no cameras, oldschool clock/radio with buttons, physical knobs for vents and volume, audio input jack, that's it. And in return just give me the superior handling, range, and charge time.
That's kind of an odd comment, since if there's one thing Tesla got right, it's the software. Sure, full autonomous driving isn't here yet, but it's a ridiculously hard problem to solve. Aside from that that, the software in Teslas is stellar. Everything works perfectly, the driver assist is insanely good and will only beep in actually dangerous situations, etc. The GPS is competent (though I strongly suspect it's just using Google Maps with a new GUI) and it's been extremely reliable for me.
@@wizzblue Tesla's problem is hardware QA. Faulty door handles, bad paint jobs, panel gaps and the like.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 EXACTLY!
This shit is the future of the automotive industry being held back by dumbass unnecessary tech.
Just gimme something cheap and simple.
@@griffin8062 To be fair, those issues are basically all resolved now. It was mostly an issue when it was just one factory since it was responsible for all revenue and any reduction in production could destroy the company. Now the company has iterated and perfected much of the production process, so most issues in build are largely fixed.
Weirdly (?) Alex is the best car reviewer of them all. The "real" automotive journalists I follow all missed the crappy aspects of the BMW iX, this Lucid, the Ioniq, etc. Thanks a bunch for this quality stuff!
Bruh, don’t know what car reviewers you follow, if its MKBHD or other tech channels then yea Alex is the best reviewer in that area. His review lacked some automotive knowledge and was decent compared to real automotive car channels.
1. The Lucid being as quiet as the EQS is a joke if you watched any other reviews and the Lucid has a way too firm/hard suspension as it has no air suspension and the EQS is levels above it in that regard. Yet Alex goes on about how good the suspension is for driving when its literally not a sports car but a luxury EV for 200k that should prioritise comfort. That the Lucid is better handling than the Taycan they had, takes away credibility.
2. Don’t make me go on about the dyno test and why it didn’t achieve the advertised specs.
3. Saying Tesla is the only other manufacturer that has birds eye view and shows the distance to other cars is false, Tesla is one of the view who doesn’t have it while many other cars like the EQS and Taycan have it.
Also the BMW iX is by far the best EV SUV you can buy today in its class.
@@AOTanoos22 maybe the best in its class, but the IX looks like absolute shit...
@@ThomasEgerton Except for the kidney grills it looks very good, especially the rear and the interior is a peace of art. The BMW iX starts at $85k US while the Tesla Model X starts at $126k US...do people even realize what BMW is offering here? A very well equipped iX with lots of extras is still cheaper than a base Model X. The BMW is sold out for the next 2 years in the US and absolutely dominates Model X sales in Europe for a reason! Then Alex comes and says the BMW iX is so freaking expensive because their test car was over 100k lmao, but an, in every aspect, overpriced Lucid for over 180k is somehow okay, this dude is anything but objective.
Love that the entire last part of this video was just complaining about the software. Which FUCKING THANK YOU. Car software should NOT be as shit as it is right now. Phones have better car software than cars do right now and I’m so tired of seeing shitty car software experienced.
I wish car manufacturers would honestly just give up on the software side of vehicles and let the big companies that have been doing it for decades handle it. Let Google or Apple put android automotive or Apple carplay in literally every car and you get to choose which one you prefer upon purchase of the car.
You should test the Bolt EV. It’s the most affordable car right now meaning most relevant for your audience because they might actually be able to buy it. I have one if you want to test it.
So.. since I am designing the software user experience for a major car brand that has also been covered already:
Let me tell you, it isn't as simple as designing an app or a game sadly for one reason: SAFETY! A game can crash once in a while but the standards while driving are insane. Also car companies don't have huge development teams (yet) because unlike apple or google there is no money printing machine with insane margins in the background.
Knowing one of the first owners who tried doing a Costco food run. They went to return the shopping cart the car some how went into full lock out mode, the tech on the phone tried for hours but days later they sent a big rig and box trailer. Mind you the driver thought you could drive it in the trailer LOL. Week later a flat bed was sent out the CEO is super cool and cares about customers. Was fun for a few hours and not the only user to have that issue. Glad yours lasted longer and only had a 15min lock out when the tech did a remote reboot and it didnt come back alive him saying ohh shit was so funny.
The best part is that in many electric car discussions, the lucid air has been cited as the car to end all the discussions. The one with all the range and fast enough charging to rival gas. And, well, it does do that. But for the price of a house and look what state they ship in.
This car would be my dream electric if they removed all the bells and whistles and just shipped this range and charging capacity. most consumers just want range and reliability, something most electrics have problems with. with this car i could make my 400 mile trip in the middle of winter without worrying about adding an extra 2 hours of charging to it halfway through.
I can fuel up in under 5 minutes and go another 500 miles while you take and hour or longer. So how does this rival my gas vehicle?
@@quazy1328 because in a realistic sense unless you're going 80+ that capacity is enough for 6 hours of nonstop driving more than long enough that people want a break, or to go eat some food, which in that time could be enough to get another 500 miles. so it is functionally similar
@@kontanaizumi And that takes about 15 minutes, and with a family of 6 it takes about 20-25 then you are back on the road for another 500 miles. Almost like I grew up taking road trips.
@@quazy1328 I did too and if you're actually a family going to a sitdown place and eating that takes a good while. and even if you only take 30, it will have over 400 miles on it ready because it's stated time to charge to 300 is 22minutes. so yeah close
About the power numbers. You have to also factor in drive train losses. Most manufacturers numbers they report are the power coming from the motor and not from the wheels. All the weight causes power losses to actually turn the wheels.
I wonder if the HP difference is also coming from the “at the crank” vs “at the wheel” HP ratings that happens on gasoline cars. So the electric car manufacturer are using similar measurement methodology?
It is possible the motors at the shaft produces close to 780 HP but at the wheel it is less?
Dyno measures at the wheel number which always lower than manufacturers HP number.
Plus Mustang Dynos tend to read out numbers lower than other type of dynos.
Not really, transmission and diff count for most of those losses.
It's probably rated in electrical power. 820HP is 610KW meaning it probably can send up to 610KW (820HP) of electrical power to the motors.
First honest review that I have seen, and its not even a car channel!! Great work!
This Lucid Air a perfect example of my view on products. I don't care if you have all the latest and greatest features - I just want things to *work* when you need it. It's not about who did it first, it's who did it well and properly.
Stability > features any day. A car that locks you out due to software instabilities should have a recall or emergency software update IMHO.
to an extent yea, but when i went to get a new car (2018-19 ish) the ford focus base model didn't even have power windows for like 19k
Had it on reserve. Being delivered in Feb, bought a S580 instead and I absolutely love it.
and here I thought ID3 was the buggy mess in recent history. seems like a premium brand startup can just top that these days with less than beta ready software.
That is exactly what you'd expect. An established car maker should have a more polished experience because they can build on top of their existing stuff
@@MarcRitzMD but since none of the older manufacturers actually program their own software, they aren’t able to implement new improvements as easily. I would have expected more from a startup like this
@@SyntheticSpy I don't know how that would matter. Take the VW ID. They can keep everything in it the same and just switch out the motor, tank and powertrain.
I'm sold! Whenever I get an electric car, this is the basis for the features I would want. Physical controls, awesome range, storage, speed, surround view. Teslas don't actually call my attention. This Lucid car looks perfect. I don't care about autopilot or any extra features of that sort.
Even though I don't like ltt some days, after watching some cycling videos by proper cycling media I realise how much more honest ltt is at delivering news. They're not shills , I'm glad Linus just has to say buy bottles 10 times instead of blatantly lying about the product. Props to Linus and his dedication to giving honest reviews on products.
Jason Cammisa's review of this car on Hagerty was INCREDIBLE.
Maybe the 800hp number is what the motors are rated for, but with 90% efficiency, it would be closer to 700hp
I have the Air Pure (starting price: $87,400) reserved at the original $77,400 starting price, and eligible for the original U.S. $7,500 EV Tax Credit, and 3 years of free charging, which will come in handy with me traveling to from CA to NV a lot.
Looks like a Honda Accord and a Tesla S had a child. Great review!
I cant believe you guys got the first test drive on this car, thats a really huge get, well done dudes :)
It’s incredible how software can break an entire car. This is truly dystopian.
Well to be fair. Considering how expensive vehicles are. It doesn't surprise people are demanding more out of them
It's quite unseen how fucked the software on this is. Tesla and Lucid Air seem not to have the QC control measures that traditional automakers have so strictly in place. Sad to buggy software let done a masterpiece of a car. No doubt the issues will be fixed but they shouldn't have ever shipped the car like this in the first place.
Software can break any car within in the past 30 years. WTF are you talking about?
@@jay-uo2bi That's because they are separate divisions and somewhat act as a completely different company. It's a micro-management and support problem that almost every company on earth deals with.
Same can be said for literally any product.
@@jay-uo2bi that doesnt really apply, the usual car companies like mercedes have the most horrific UI and software, wheres the QC?
We are at a very awkward stage in auto industry. The vehicles get shipped first and the features get added/fixed later through software updates, like your sub $1500 consumer electronic.
Auto should have stricter regulation on what gets released. There is no software without bugs and takes multiple rounds of rigorous testing to iron out bugs. And that's fine for a handheld, but not for a 2 ton alexa on wheels.
I mean, imagine if fast and furious had the situation at 14:38
That's the first dyno running in ubuntu I have seen... Love that!
I like the honesty in all the videos thanks.
the main reason why you guys are my go to when checking out something new.
That scrim flip is the first “whoooosh” feature in years that blew my mind :D soooo cool
Honestly this is the best review so far! Says that this is the best car that needs software and hardware integration. This is what all of us need to hear. Lucid fixes this and I am assuming this is a 10/10. Right now it’s a 6.5/10.
an elderly man here in my hometown has a Dream edition, he offered to let me give it a whirl, i politely declined as I was covered in paint and sweat, but mainly cause I was nervous that murphys law would decide to show face. I see the gent weekly and he always says the offer still stands. He says he just drives it around his ex spouses house to show what she bought.
really like the design and look of this car. it gives me hope for these to be a viable option for driving enthusiasts of the future.
I'd suspect the difference in torque might be due to the drivetrain losses not being figured in. You're still going to have drivetrain losses between the output side of the electric motors and the surface of the tires, (because of gear meshing, heating of the gears and grease/oil due to friction, heating of the motor itself, etc.) so that might account for a bit of the loss. They don't specify wheel torque on Lucid's website, so I'd suspect that's it. The manufacturer numbers may be the equivalent of "brake" torque (and hp), as opposed to "wheel" torque (and hp). Obviously, since this has front and rear motors, there shouldn't be as much drivetrain loss as a gas all wheel drive gas-powered car with a driveshaft connecting the axles, but still.
So even before the correction factors that you can't input, and the issue of not going full wide open throttle (er... full accelerator, in this case) you'll probably still have small losses. Plus, depending on whether ABS was disabled (which may not be possible, usually this is done by pulling fuses on normal cars), if any slip was detected, torque vectoring/traction control may be interfering. It may be minor, but it may account for some of the loss if there's a slight difference in speeds between the rollers during the dyno pull.
Also, props to using Odesza for sound validation. :) Can't say I'd use anything different. Lol
Alex and I clearly have very different ideas of what a massive trunk looks like ... Love his car reviews, but he and I care about very different things in a car
I LOVE that you guys are starting to touch base on cars that are heavy on new tech. I think you're pretty well suited for this and I can't wait to see what comes!
I was watching the entire video under the impression it was a $70k car it when he said the actual price I was floored 😂
This thing is supposed to compete with cars like the S63 AMG: most of the performance of a Model S Plaid with more range and an actual luxury interior. Still not quite as nice as a Mercedes-Maybach or Lexus Bespoke, but still opulently beautiful and comfortable. Absolute damn shame about the software issues, especially since the hardware is so amazing.
@@romannasuti25 There isn't a current S63 to compete with, the EQS580 is the direct Mercedes opponent. Audi E-Tron, Porsche Taycan and BMW i7 all come to mind aswell as competition.
@@romannasuti25 even a decked out Lexus LS500 is about 70k cheaper than one of these.
at this rate for sure if I live long enough to need a next car, it can be electric, charge quickly, look great, and have the latest tech. I bought a car during 2020 lockdown BTW and would have gone electric but the charge infrastructure wasn't (and isn't) there, and the charge speed was abysmal.
We're at the point it seems that you can drive continuously from point A to B if you had two drivers. That's amazing!
0:18 The Aptera is supposed to get a 1600km range with just 100kwh, and up to 40 miles of range per day from solar charging alone
It's not a car tho
@@abdulhfhd I didnt say it was tho
And it depends on where you are ion the world, in most of north america, all they need to do is add one more wheel and its a 2 seat car, in some states an enclosed 3 wheeler is licenced/insured/taxed as a car.
Didn't the EQXX have a 1000km range??
The Aptera that is again on hold? They ran out of money. Again. It's a scam, bud
@@evilkillerwhale7078 source?
"You don't want to drive 800km/day"
But if I am going somewhere far away I will because I don't want to waste holiday days travelling.
Of course one will have short breaks so 800km range EV works perfectly - except that when it gets sub-zero and you drive on a highway speeds it is likely more like 500km.
I know this is a tech channel but with this type of videos i hope someday you guys do a collab with Donut Media, that would be so epic
That low frequency response is shocking. My Model 3 gives a great response down to 45Hz even without the subwoofer.
Still love this car, it looks amazing and the specs are insane.
Apparently, the 2.0 version of the UI software fixed a ton of these problems. I assume that version wasn't present for this review. Totally agree that they should have all of these issues sorted before delivering a car with this kind of price tag.
Actually, I think there's a reason it gives warnings about turning. He routinely takes his corners too sharply or too wide depending on direction.
Volvo's high range cars (e.g. XC90) also does the 360 top-view camera and it is excellent! They have been doing that for years now.
I believe one of your best LTT reviews this year. Great Job!
That's a fact!
I have driven the Lucid on a dyno several times. It does have a Regen disable mode for coasting down, and a specific Dyno mode that allows it to run on a dyno, yes it still throws all the warning but it lets you drive it no problem.
2:00 now THAT ain't the sound you're used to hearing from a dyno pull XD
What's fascinating about this car is that it seems to be an almost perfect opposite to the Tesla Model S. Amazing hardware that's basically second to none, but horrible software. Dang. That's a huge bummer.
I don't understand the surround camera (bird eye view) part, how is Tesla the only other car manufacturers doing it when Tesla is actually one of the view that doesn't have birdy eye view, the EQS and many other cars have it and will show you the distance to other objects...
Still waiting for you guys to test a Polestar 2 (or any car with Android Automotive built in). It's the tech / software / music parts I'm interested in. There are many car reviewers that will tell me about the boot space, or how nice the seats are ;-)
We've already looked at Android Automotive in the XC40 and S90! -AC
If I had to guess the part you mentioned very briefly at 4:00 could also be related to why the numbers are all off by a little bit… at high speeds the readings might come back lower.
I so badly want Lucid to succeed. I really want an electric car that's actually well built unlike Tesla.
what's great is that the factory that builds these cars is like a 15 minute drive down the road from my house, very cool
I work at a local pet store in the middle of a bad part of town and I saw one of these in our parking lot. I'd never even heard of Lucid before. My only thought was "what idiot drove that car here? It's gonna get broken into instantly"
Maybe they dropped it off there because the car froze up and they needed to get into it + an insurance payout lol.
Just also came to say I like the car reviews and you guys should keep it up. I think they're great and really a smart move from who the other channel's target audience is. I like tech, I like cars, these are tech cars explained by reasonably skilled tech guys. A big thank you.
It seems like all their software engineers were either limited because of business deals or they were all interns.
It was probably outsourced to india
@@moortu Fiverr 🤣
@@moortu if they had done that it would've at least started every time
Wow! I can't believe all the things that would drive me crazy with this car that no other review I've seen has mentioned. Then again were any of those actual reviews? I guess I watch lots of really long commercials without realizing it.
You have a very different definition of "Massive storage" than I. I would love to see an electric car that had a real key, real door locks, and, you know, wasn't bogged down to shit with all the electronic nonsense.
Love that suspension design. Good, solid, heavy forged aluminum.
Fold down rear center console is one of those little features you really appreciate.
Personally, I prefer cloth seats, but I'm sure you can get it with them.
As of replacing the perfectly good Google Apps with the crappy ones from Amazon, it is the most awful thing one could do for this. I understand replacing them with open source versions or vendor created ones, but Amazon?! Give me a break! It's like saying I'm not going to water my garden with grey water, so I'll just pump the contents of the latrines.
I was so excited about Lucid when I first heard about them. I put my reservation deposit in as soon as I saw it was open. Then I saw the roof. WHY do electric car makers think their cars need all glass roofs? I live in southern Nevada. No amount of A/C will prevent the summer sun's UV rays from cooking you alive, even through "coated" glass. After seeing that all their models will share that bad design decision, I pulled my reservation out. Rivian did the same thing with the R1S. It's almost as if all these EV makers want me to buy a Tesla (I don't want a Tesla).
EV MAKERS (not Tesla): The first one of you who makes a car WITHOUT a glass roof will get my money.
The Pure and Touring variants of the Lucid Air come with a fully metal roof as standard.
But Tesla does the all glass roof thing, too. 🤷♂ I agree, though. The glass roof thing is a deal-breaker for me on any car. I don't even want a sunroof.
I love Alex talking about cars.
Just waiting for these car videos to go full on old school Top Gear :P the cars are already nearing the same level of ridiculous unaffordability as they had in that show, now we just need the goofing around and two more hosts :)
Lucid Air review before R1T!? Heck if I were you I would’ve put the Air first too given that it’s had little to know coverage compared to the R1T. Seems like such a good car, shame it’s being bogged down by half baked tech. The camera and sensor setup is truly impressive and that interior is just *chefs kiss* and if it drives anywhere near as good as the Taycan than that’s really something.
Anywho, loving these videos. Keep up the amazing work
Damn, 16,000W power supply? Thanks for that Seasonic!
Not a car person. So I started watching this expecting to quickly skip to the conclusion. Ended up watching the whole video. Excellent work Alex, you got me hooked.
800km range. HOLY - this could be one i want, but cant pay xD
Wtf is a km
No one needs 800km range. No one. I have driven 1000 miles in a day from Piraeus Greece to Austria, you have to stop to pee, stretch your legs, have a bite to eat, clear your head. You can be charging at these times. At the end of a 1000 miles you are completely knackered. You really need those 20 minutes breaks. Just like long distance lorry drivers need them. Range issue is such an ICE thing its crazy.
@@FireMunki63 Last weekend we drove 800km in "one go" with one stop. I changed with my wife midway and thats it. 30min brake max. But with a longer stop this distance should not be a problem with an electric car.
Today I learned: Seasonic makes a SIXTEEN THOUSAND WATT power supply, even though the box only says 1600, it's actually SIXTEEN THOUSAND.
"I'm taking a corner normally" - Proceeds to throw a tire into the ditch like Takami in his 86.
Americans are not generally very good drivers, so this is normal by their standards.
@@thany3 Well he's Canadian...
@@jcalerre Remind me which continent Canada is in?
@@thany3 Well according to the Oxford dictionary, American means a citizen of the US
@@thany3 The continent is North America but he is Canadian and not American. You could however technically say he's North American. Either way, your initial statement was incorrect.
Fun video. Just dropping by in summer 2024 to say most of those software issues have been sorted out through OTA updates. Nav is now quite good. Wireless CarPlay works but still no Android Auto. Lane keeping is really good (you can adjust level of intrusion and turn off audio warnings. It now lets me wear sunglasses, etc., etc. Many new features added like dog mode, auto park, improved audio, Auto seat retract and restore per profile, and more that I have forgotten.
Driving mine for 2 years now and still in love.
Nice, I've been thinking of buying a Lucid Air. Wanted to know how much better it was now, vs videos like this. Is the interface laggy at all? I know that was a common complaint. What model year is your lucid? Does it have a sentry mode of any kind? I have a mach e that was keyed, and it doesn't have sentry mode. I'd be worried if I bought an expensive lucid someone would key it also. How is the turn radius on the lucid as well? My Mach E kinda turns like a boat. I want my next EV to be more nimble and turn better in tight spaces.
@@bradleyfrank7933 I got my Air GT in early '22. The screens boot up instantly now, but I really recommend finding a way to visit a Lucid Studio (locations listed on their site) to see one hands-on. It's the driving feel that will win you over.
Sentry mode- Lucid has an alarm & tow off setting, no video (I doubt the utility of that anyway, not like the cops will start an investigation). Turning circle feels good but Air is a big-ish car. The surround view cameras are an amazing tool for parking in tight spaces. Parking sensors are very accurate. HTH
This was a very interesting video to see, especially since Lucid was supposed to be hyped up a ton. To see if fall so flat is somewhat sad, but hopefully they figure out whatever manufacturing or development woes and get them fixed ASAP. Side note, I'd still love to see a VW ID.4 2022/3 review and an ID.Buzz review when they seed them out :)
To be fair, he raved about the engineering, interior, mechanical and fit and finish portions of the car but pointed out that the software blows. Which is pretty bad considering the price, but fortunately software problems are much easier to fix after the fact. I really hope that Lucid stays afloat and is able to address these issues as I’d like to see it succeed. As consumers we all win by having a diverse number of vehicle manufacturers to drive improvements and price reductions. I’d eventually like to be able to afford a Lucid but I wouldn’t buy one with the kinds of problems shown in the video, I’m not wealthy enough to have a non-functional vehicle, especially at that price! If Lucid ends up in a shaky financial situation, they will likely be bought out by another auto manufacturer, some of their tech is pretty equivalent to Tesla (not software 🤣😭) and ahead of most of the traditional automakers.
Finally!!! I’ve been commenting for so long abt this car 🥲.
Instead of using the usual 400v system like other electric car makers, Lucid has a 900v battery and drivetrain. Which means they can get same power output while drawing half the current and thus electrical resistance is decreased by 75%!! That’s why this car is soo efficient and has good range. Another thing that contributes to this range is that 0.2 drag coefficient.
Is there any way you guys can get hold of a Lucid Air Dream edition Performance? That car is on an even another level.
I imagine that getting to 900v must cost a fortune.
@@mcslender2965 maybe, or maybe not. It depends I guess. I’m sure a lotta money went into R&D for this unique voltage and using unconventional parts since most EVs top out at 400-500V. So they can’t just use random off the shelf parts like other car makers can do.
Kudos to the camera op switching head focus of inside the car.
5:42 "You don't want to drive 800km in a day".
Agreed, but if you listen to a vocal minority (?) of dinosaur juice enthusiasts they do 1000km in one leg every other day.
The range anxiety is overhyped. I personally believe it's exactly those kinds of people overhyping it to try and make EVs seem like it's not worth it. The average American drives around 30 miles a day, so even an EV with 200 to 300 miles over range would be more than enough for city driving and occasional trips.
I used to work in automotive infotainment software for a while for a big manufacturer and I'm not surprised. It's very complex, takes lots of people and hardware to test, and there are ALWAYS more bugs. You either need more money (people) or more time, and eventually there's a hard deadline for the new release. All the not-quite-critical bugs get demoted to something where they basically don't matter and can be shipped. Maybe a very desparate team would ship critical bugs too when they don't crash the car. After the release, the bugs get their original priority back. Occasionally you get a bug that has a low priority AND high risk attached to it (meaning trying to fix it might break other things or take way too much time), and then that bug simply won't get fixed. Ever.
And fixing bugs isn't really most people's career goals, so it's mostly people fresh out of school doing it, or people who basically missed an exit and now feel like they are doomed. You sit there, fixing one bug after the other, making the code progressively worse because you don't get enough time to do it "right", praying for some new feature request so you can use at least 1% of the skills you studied for. (I'm glad I got out, even though the people working there were kinda fun)
Alex, should you be holding the sound meter while it's reading? Your hand vibrations in most of them can mess up the readings. Not sure about yours but I don't see why holding it would be okay.
Also I hate that they require Tidal. Tidal is a pretty questionable company.
Tidal is just what one service that supports Dolby Atmos
Well, the overall design is awesome, the only problem is the software, which is fixable
Alexa: Do you want me to increase the temperature by 5 or turn on driver seat ventilation? What do you want me to do when you say that?
Alex: YES
Also Alex: Alexa is totally broken!!!
But after I finished being big dumb it still didn't turn on the seat vents haha -AC
One year later, how is the software situation now? Has it improved?
Maybe Alex thinks the lane detection is too sensitive cause he’s all over the road like a soccer mom on her cell phone.
That dyno test reminded me of the days we would have to do AirCare tests here in BC ;)
Range, looks, charging, trunk capacity, and ,?frunk storage.. look superb.
When will EV makers stop with the ridiculous 'smart' stuff that is just so idiotic though? It's from the most minor of things like that charging flap, just have a mechanical panel that opens, nobody cares about soft electronic openers.. to the major flaws in the software.
Some of the proper/ physical switchgear looks okay on this car, but what is it with the alpha level of shipping software that is just a distraction from driving experience? People do not give a bleeping bleep about digging 5 deep into menus to make an adjustment that used to just be a button.
Every time I see some fancy, slow opening panel, all I can think is "how does this do in -25c cold with ice".
@@nilleftw Good point.
They should fix that with embedded micro heaters built into those panels /s
Actually not too unlikely to happen, sounds very akin to the old story about 'nasa spending ?millions on a pen for astronauts that works in space, Roscosmos gave theirs pencils'
Crazy how you can really tell this came from same man who made the original Model S. The original Model S also had an insane amount of issues caused by everything being overly automated and mine also had an issue with the front passenger door handle not retracting, funny coincidence, maybe its a personal easter egg of sorts.
im just counting the things that will break in a year, lets see so far i have
Charging port door
Door handles
Electric trunk
rear screen
,and basically everything else
oh wow nvm im wrong IT'S ALREADY BROKEN, i stopped to comment right before you said it
those flappy climate switches do not inspire confidence either
I don't mind bugs in my games but Not in a deadly weapon i have to trust my life and others too
Have you not seen other high-end luxury cars for the better part of a decade? Or Teslas? They are basically identical and many are on the road with zero issues. It's all part of how you maintain the car. Plus you aren't buying a $150k+ car to not take care of it. Chances are that if you are buying this car you have the funds to have the issues delt with and most of the issues are technical, not mechanical so it can easily be fixed and often for free.
I wasn't sure I'd be interested. You won me over Alex. Great balance of Nerd passion, Gearhead passion and anti-fanboyism. Good job man!