Thanks a ton for this awesome content!!! The big fish on the frog was awesome!!! It reminds me of how the big browns in our creeks here in West Virginia eat a mouse pattern, it’s amazing explosive eat too. Again, thanks!!!
Much respect to Kelly but I've seen more than a few holes in the mountain west, where fish are sitting 8+ feet deep, right at the bottom of a deep holes. Dropping a deep dropper rig right in front of them has got me fish when streamers in the top 2 feet wouldn't make them budge. Granted, the river topography is much different than this river or the Madison, but to say they're never less than 5ft doesn't match my experience.
I would just have to comment on the fly line, and casting (a heck of a lot of skillful, shorter distance, accuracy type casting going on here by Kelly Galloup). It reminds me of something Lafkas and Madden pointed out recently in their episode. Not to wait until one gets to Michigan, Montana or South America to un-wrap one's high end fishing tackle and use it. Even if one has some grass available in a nearby park or recreation area, aim to fit in at least some time with the tackle. I've heard stories from experienced Steelhead anglers even who ventured as far as the trout streams of New Zealand, even though they were capable of being casting instructors for steelhead types of lines. When it came to the stream and river trout situation, the had to 'go back to school' in terms of casting, because they never handled those rods or lines. Maybe an episode of Kelly showing this line and rod set up 'on grass' aiming for a paper cup or some such? Would be useful? One doesn't typically just show up fresh, and do what Kelly is doing here, expecting it all to work. This short distance, accuracy stuff that Kelly is doing, that all has to be 'dialled in' in advance, and long before one gets to set foot, and land in Chile. Even changing from six weight to seven, or six to five. The practice for each of those different rods is a different deal too. I am finding, as I try to learn to fish 'shorter' as opposed to longer.
That's about the only thing I would say. It might require a down-sized frog top-water fly, thrown using a 'five weight' tackle system, to convert more of those eats, into takes and hooksets. There are some stiff action five-weight rods I've played with lately, that are somewhat closer in strength to what a six weight used to be. Which still have just about enough backbone to play a large trout, but totally change things as far as delicacy of presentation goes. The positive splash when the frog lands of the six or seven weight is sometimes exactly what fish respond to (my sense at looking at this footage it's earlier in the season for trout in Chile, when trout could be more aggressive). Using a 'seven weight' on some practice ponds, pools and riffles here with different lines and lures . . . I'd almost conclude that it is hard to get away from some kind of a seven weight instrument (and there's large variance in casting action between different seven weight rods). Coming at it from a steelhead, salmon perspective in fly fishing, the seven weight feels almost like a tool I'm used to. I've put in the most time with. Yet, I cannot do things with that seven weight, no matter how good I am, that I could do with a stiffer-action five. And for extreme, extreme finesse the faster, stiff action 'four' weight even has it's own place. For ultra delicate streamer fly presentation (I've even used Stren mono as a running line on 'soft' action four weights, to throw streamers with a short piece of Intermediate six, or seven weight line tied on the end of the mono). It gives you access to fish and takes, that otherwise one wouldn't have a chance with. But this takes exceptional amounts of practice and focus, to have different tools in the toolbox. A seven weight is a great all-round tool.
I'd compare it to glide baits or swim baits in gear tackle angling. Anglers often 'search fish' or practice on water using larger baits, not necessairly to get fish bites. As much as to get some larger, quality fish to show themselves and follow things such as a glidebait. And that may be what we're witnessing too in the footage from the Chile river system. This might be an excellent way in which to search, as opposed to catch. I think that is how an experienced gear tackle angler may view these results.
I'm curious, Kelly doesn't believe in theories related to aerial predators. But what about NZ, and other regions where trout grow to massive sizes? A lot of people attribute the lack of predators as a significant factor, including the winged varieties. Those massive trout seem to hold in places you just don't see in other regions of the world.
I think NZ trout setting out in the open is influenced by the lack of angling pressure. From what I've read, fishing is also closed during the winter while they spawn. Prior to a conservation group and TU doing a ton of unneeded work on a local spring creek, large rainbows would consistently be found right out in the open in less than 2ft of water, even on bright days. Now, with increased angling pressure and messing with the habitat (supposedly to favor brook trout), those big bows are not in the open anymore.
@@JP-dz7zu , which is why I said holding, vs feeding lies. My fishing has primarily been in Oregon and PNW, and we have some deep and fast rivers. In my experience, unless it's early or late, or if there is an active hatch, the fish hold in the deepest water they can. Either way, I don't pretend to be an expert, and I'm just trying to learn myself. Also, each system is unique. NZ is a special place, and there is a lot of "theory" on the subject of their large trout. I think a lot of factors just added up perfectly. Certainly low pressure, a lack of predators, a lack of seasonal fishing pressure, a heavy conservation effort, and of course their cicadas and mice all play into it.
@@stephengrunden4830 , I would agree that it is a significant factor. I am fascinated by the subject. Despite a lot of research, there doesn't seem to be a firm consensus, which actually makes it even more interesting. I think it's a combination of a lot of things.
Nice , looked like a great time. I’ve used frogs in AK and its something when a fish hammers one . Thanks for taking us along.
Thanks a ton for this awesome content!!! The big fish on the frog was awesome!!! It reminds me of how the big browns in our creeks here in West Virginia eat a mouse pattern, it’s amazing explosive eat too. Again, thanks!!!
We need this frog pattern asap. I’ve been looking for a frog pattern for a long time.
Can't go wrong with a small dahlberg
Messinger Frogs are really neat. I am a suckervfor frogs too
Great stuff as always team slide. Maybe see u next week if you’re at the slide.
Awesome video
Shoutout Brayden the camera guy for the great analysis at the end
Could you show or tie the frog 🐸? Another great video !
Much respect to Kelly but I've seen more than a few holes in the mountain west, where fish are sitting 8+ feet deep, right at the bottom of a deep holes. Dropping a deep dropper rig right in front of them has got me fish when streamers in the top 2 feet wouldn't make them budge. Granted, the river topography is much different than this river or the Madison, but to say they're never less than 5ft doesn't match my experience.
I would just have to comment on the fly line, and casting (a heck of a lot of skillful, shorter distance, accuracy type casting going on here by Kelly Galloup). It reminds me of something Lafkas and Madden pointed out recently in their episode. Not to wait until one gets to Michigan, Montana or South America to un-wrap one's high end fishing tackle and use it. Even if one has some grass available in a nearby park or recreation area, aim to fit in at least some time with the tackle. I've heard stories from experienced Steelhead anglers even who ventured as far as the trout streams of New Zealand, even though they were capable of being casting instructors for steelhead types of lines. When it came to the stream and river trout situation, the had to 'go back to school' in terms of casting, because they never handled those rods or lines. Maybe an episode of Kelly showing this line and rod set up 'on grass' aiming for a paper cup or some such? Would be useful? One doesn't typically just show up fresh, and do what Kelly is doing here, expecting it all to work. This short distance, accuracy stuff that Kelly is doing, that all has to be 'dialled in' in advance, and long before one gets to set foot, and land in Chile. Even changing from six weight to seven, or six to five. The practice for each of those different rods is a different deal too. I am finding, as I try to learn to fish 'shorter' as opposed to longer.
That's about the only thing I would say. It might require a down-sized frog top-water fly, thrown using a 'five weight' tackle system, to convert more of those eats, into takes and hooksets. There are some stiff action five-weight rods I've played with lately, that are somewhat closer in strength to what a six weight used to be. Which still have just about enough backbone to play a large trout, but totally change things as far as delicacy of presentation goes. The positive splash when the frog lands of the six or seven weight is sometimes exactly what fish respond to (my sense at looking at this footage it's earlier in the season for trout in Chile, when trout could be more aggressive). Using a 'seven weight' on some practice ponds, pools and riffles here with different lines and lures . . . I'd almost conclude that it is hard to get away from some kind of a seven weight instrument (and there's large variance in casting action between different seven weight rods). Coming at it from a steelhead, salmon perspective in fly fishing, the seven weight feels almost like a tool I'm used to. I've put in the most time with. Yet, I cannot do things with that seven weight, no matter how good I am, that I could do with a stiffer-action five. And for extreme, extreme finesse the faster, stiff action 'four' weight even has it's own place. For ultra delicate streamer fly presentation (I've even used Stren mono as a running line on 'soft' action four weights, to throw streamers with a short piece of Intermediate six, or seven weight line tied on the end of the mono). It gives you access to fish and takes, that otherwise one wouldn't have a chance with. But this takes exceptional amounts of practice and focus, to have different tools in the toolbox. A seven weight is a great all-round tool.
I'd compare it to glide baits or swim baits in gear tackle angling. Anglers often 'search fish' or practice on water using larger baits, not necessairly to get fish bites. As much as to get some larger, quality fish to show themselves and follow things such as a glidebait. And that may be what we're witnessing too in the footage from the Chile river system. This might be an excellent way in which to search, as opposed to catch. I think that is how an experienced gear tackle angler may view these results.
Looks like a Michigan river right there
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Art Lee was the master of a 22 on size 22. But hey that’s an eastern thing.
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Bag of dirt 😂
I'm curious, Kelly doesn't believe in theories related to aerial predators. But what about NZ, and other regions where trout grow to massive sizes? A lot of people attribute the lack of predators as a significant factor, including the winged varieties. Those massive trout seem to hold in places you just don't see in other regions of the world.
I think NZ trout setting out in the open is influenced by the lack of angling pressure. From what I've read, fishing is also closed during the winter while they spawn. Prior to a conservation group and TU doing a ton of unneeded work on a local spring creek, large rainbows would consistently be found right out in the open in less than 2ft of water, even on bright days. Now, with increased angling pressure and messing with the habitat (supposedly to favor brook trout), those big bows are not in the open anymore.
Some of the biggest trout I’ve caught in the US have been in water under 2’ deep. They sit in shallow water when they’re feeding.
@@JP-dz7zu , which is why I said holding, vs feeding lies. My fishing has primarily been in Oregon and PNW, and we have some deep and fast rivers. In my experience, unless it's early or late, or if there is an active hatch, the fish hold in the deepest water they can.
Either way, I don't pretend to be an expert, and I'm just trying to learn myself. Also, each system is unique. NZ is a special place, and there is a lot of "theory" on the subject of their large trout. I think a lot of factors just added up perfectly. Certainly low pressure, a lack of predators, a lack of seasonal fishing pressure, a heavy conservation effort, and of course their cicadas and mice all play into it.
@@stephengrunden4830 , I would agree that it is a significant factor. I am fascinated by the subject. Despite a lot of research, there doesn't seem to be a firm consensus, which actually makes it even more interesting. I think it's a combination of a lot of things.
12:06 just a pilot? I got two jobs mon.