Hey guys, I’m not sure how to contact you outside of leaving a comment on this video, so I hope it reaches you. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch this film and for your kind and compassionate words. I’m continuously grateful for the opportunities I’ve had in which to share my husbands story and to see how it’s being spread throughout this diving community he loved so much. This was a tragic loss not only to me and my three children, but to the world at large. He was an incredible man. 💔 Thank you for sharing this, and for the personal comments about not carrying the burden of guilt with me. I think all of us who have lost someone carry a piece of “If only…” with us, and I’m eternally grateful you’ve taken the time to share this with so many people. Thank you all so much. Please feel free to reach out if you want to discuss any aspects of this film and/or Brian’s story with me. ❤️ Ashley Bugge
Ashley, I’m so sorry for your loss and would’ve loved to meet Brian and share some amazing dives with him, he definitely seemed to be super passionate about diving and that’s something we absolutely have in common. It’s hard to put into words how much I appreciate you taking the time to not only watch our video but to leave a comment and share your willingness to meet with us and discuss further. We are the ones eternally grateful for Brian’s service in the military and for the countless lives he has saved and will continue to save in the future from divers who will learn about Brian and about what happened, and your strength and willingness to share that story to make sure this doesn’t happen to someone else really shows your character. I’m proud of you. You can reach us at info@divetalk.com anytime. We really appreciate this comment, and we would love to stay in touch with you if that’s okay. Gus
Hi Ashley, this is Woody. I share Gus’s sediments and I’m extremely touched that you reached out to us. You were/are so brave to share this story with the world. I’m so sorry for your loss. I know you and your children will always be proud of him. Sadly, his tragic loss of life (and you) have now contributed greatly to enhance the absolute essential priority of how safety always must be priority number 1, ESPECIALLY for dive instructors as they train and ALWAYS supervisor their students. It would be our honor to speak with you further. You can truly see through your words the special bond and love you two had for each other. I bet he would be so proud of you for sharing this story as you did. Thank you again for that. With total respect, Woody.
@AshleyBugge , im so sorry for yours and your babies beautiful loss. I hope and pray you don't hold any kind of guilt. You were the best wife in my opinion you want what makes your husband happy and you want him to go for his goals. I would have done the exact same thing. I've been with my husband for almost 17years we have 1 adopted baby girl who's 8yrs old and we have a 3month old. I cant even began to think about how it would effect our children and my self and our families and friends. Your a strong woman & mother & wife. Your husband was amazing and that will live on forever. This brought me to tears listening to you (Ashley) and Gus and Woody paint a beautiful picture of your husband. Im so thankful you shared something so special even if it saves just one person your the reason why.. Sending love and prayers to you and your beautiful babies and families and friends. Thank you so much momma🙏🕊⚓
Not a rebreather diver but I am an anesthesiologist. Checklist every patient, every case no exceptions. I have been doing this almost 20 years. Doesn't matter. Every case, every time.
Sometimes it really is the little things. I don't have much time myself and I really do appreciate each day and all the support around me.❤😊prayers to you and your loved ones. Denise Milwaukee wisconsin USA
@mikecarson101 Sending you hugs, and I pray you get through this. Sending you all the best..😢 I just went through this with my father. My heart is forever broken 😢 Stay positive, and I will to..❤ xx Hydie
I'm not a diver. Actually, I have never even been interested in diving - but I really enjoy listening to you two discuss diving and the processes involved. I have a very healthy respect for it all, and while I'll still prefer to just snorkel and stay close to the surface, I thank you for all the fantastic information and in your collective style of communicating it all.
Bro same here! Got into these videos n stories because of them but it lowkey made me wanna dive a little. Nothin crazy at all but these guys just make me respect it so much and make me wanna overcome my fear of diving at least once! Love y’all guys videos and this long video was so good, y’all should do more of them honestly!
Ive always loved the idea of diving but never on the same page with water 💧 finding this channel i can genuinly say for the first time in my life ide want them to teach me
Just so you know, I would love longer videos, I feel a lot of us would. Never limit yourself because you think we'll get bored, listening to you two is meditative to me.
So true ! this is one of the few channels I can listen to for hours .. The Edd Sorenson and Mike Young one for example was epic the whole way through !
It's exactly the opposite. We are insanely patient bc we have spent years standing around waiting for shit to start, only to get told to go somewhere else and wait.
I really liked the point you made about experienced divers being upset about buddy checks and taking care of each other. I’ve only done one dive, but have over 400 skydives. It is the same thing in the skydiving community. Regardless of experience I always ask for an equipment check on the way to altitude. It blows my mind receiving anything but an emphatic yes when I ask another experienced skydiver if they want me to check their gear out. Put your ego aside and be safe.
Same goes for rock climbing. Many climbers turn their noses up at buddy checks, and I've gotten some strange looks for insisting on following all safety steps in the gym. Better safe than sorry I say.
True. Same applies for medical field. So many avoidable occurrences if protocols were followed. As you say, when people become complacent and checklists and protocols gets watered down.
@@pietekoo5559 I'm a pharmacy technician and I can't tell how many things are caught when a second, third, fourth ect set of eyes looks at something. It always shocks me when people are scared to ask when they have a question about something. So many things in life are safer because of "stop the line" like procedures, second checks and asking questions.
@@ThatGirlJD Interestingly, I just recently watched a video of a plane crash whereby the pilot and second officer went through the take-off checklist interalia when to abort or go ahead if something goes wrong whilst in the process of rolling down the runway. On take-off, a tyre actually burst, and indecision whether to abort or to continue take- off, actually led to a crash. The NTSA investigated and they described part of the reason of the crash, was "automatism" whereby the same procedure gets recited so many times that people eventually pay no real attention to the check.
I have never been a diver but I was a pilot. When Woody went through that summary of how all the little factors added up to another level of complexity and can create problems I immediately thought about the fact that crashes are usually not do to one thing but a series of small steps or incidents that by themselves seem innocuous. I really love your videos no matter how long, or how technical, they are fascinating.
Yeah that's a hard problem for most people to understand cause and effect is kind of limited. What caused the accident? I like vectors myself the first small mistake is a vector towards disaster the second is another and another and if you don't have enough vectors going to the good you can be in trouble.
@@Mikesworld777 here's an atomic bit of you want to learn something without blaming anybody. Which came first the chicken or the egg? There's no way to know it toggles back-and-forth there's only two. Which came first the cause or the effect? It's a toggle so it bounces back and forth. I have a thing I believe more than I believe in anything else. Do your job do your whole job and do nothing but your job. I was on a truck job and the trainer told me not to lock the trailer we were only going 15 minutes, do the next stop. I lock the trailer and I told him to take me back to the fleet if he thought he could teach me not to do my job. I will never be talkin to the FBI agent, and have him ask me do you always blow off half of your job and not do it or was this something special and you hit something and ruin the tire so the truck would be stopped long enough for somebody to get in the back?
One of my colleagues calls disaster a result of "swiss cheese alignment". On rare occaisions you can see through a Swiss Cheese - the holes all line up.
This video completely made me cry. The lost diver’s wife crying when she supported him to do his last required day of training to complete his rebreather certification. I just pray she doesn’t blame herself. 🥺 She was just being a loving and supportive wife. 💯❤️ I will watch the full documentary next…. Thank-you for the link to the original and this review while handling this difficult situation with gentleness and kindness. 👌
@@DIVETALK I am near end and had a strong & immediate reaction to one thing: When watching the lost diver’s wife speak, at no moment did I get the impression she pressured her husband to “finish the class and be done with it”. I didn’t think that was fair to her, especially when she is dealing with “what if” and grief. If a documentary can interview her and illicit her responses, I find it hard to believe throughout the investigation, that the same didn’t occur with them.
As a scuba diver, I DO think that after these types of diving incidents, there should be investigations similar to air traffic accidents. Let me explain why. Air traffic accident investigations focus on a; What happened, b; Why did it go wrong, and c; What can be done to prevent it in the future. If something similar is done (Internally by independent dive professionals) then all of us get an opportunity to learn and change procedures for the better
that would help or just make the training a bit harder and take the whole thing more seriously like to the degree us pilots take flying. ps I also scuba dive.
@@masonmax1000 i think it would increase discipline and safety. In a recent episode with the rebreather scrubber incident I remember Woody going through the procedure that should have been followed. These investigations if done with the right intention can be useful
@@johnjob9523 yeah being a pilot and a diver I always wondered how is scuba so lenient when in the aviation world rules are written in blood. should be the same way for scuba.
@@masonmax1000 Commercial versus private I would guess. Like private crashes are really investigated because it does or can have an impact on commercial side. For diving, there just isn't that scope as greatly. I mean I bet commercial divers in their industry will have investigations and update their procedures, but that is internal to their workplace/industry. (Only going for that as my work we supplied a commercial diving team (welders and repairs) and chatted with them a bit)
That already happens, just an FYI. Investigations occur, they find out what happened, what went wrong, and what can be done to fix it (which we all, already know). DAN usually writes about the incidents.
I really love the fact that you guys explain everything in detail for the people who don’t know too much about diving, like me and don’t think it’s all self explanatory. I really appreciate it a lot. I learn so much from these kinds of videos!
Again, the design of equipment, Why doesn't the "computer" have a haptic vibration function, that would immediately warn the diver of danger! This way, they won't have to look at it all the time, which probably decreases with experienced divers anyways due to complacency.
N true. Horror that awaits if theydo 1 little thing wrong torturous they wanted to die like this or they would live like that they'd die more horrble like that caveing n underwater caving is the absalute worst me i ll stick with rollarcoaster the good onsije cedar point even kiddy Disney world n land bush gardens all of them been to most scary storys like u guys n mr ballen especially if true horror movies i was a teenage pairs figure compatituin figur skater exhilarating. Flashy im a show off n pairs is the most danders of all firgur skating first learn boring trace line in 1000 skates with jump bars n toe stops a was rollar artistic but exact right down to the names of everything jumps spins pairs lifts what i did u have to be a substatial in your own single woman singles same with the guy lifts n pairs skater the guys men r yes 9 out of 10 straight hetrosexual nothing against homosexual but they would make me do as good job b cuz id get the cute ones n frankly i hate to admit safer
Thank you to Brian's wife for being so brave and strong to tell his story. If it helps safe 1 person's life ,it was worth it. GOD BLESS HER AND HER CHILDREN FOR BEING SO STRONG.
Dear Woody and Gus, I’m a IANTD Normoxic CCR Diver from Brazil and just adore this channel. Cheers for your high quality content and didatic. This video particularly struck me cause I experienced myself a very similar incident one year ago in a shallow dive here in Brazil. My O2 shutoff closed when I jumped off the boat, and I got hypoxic and blacked out swimming on the way to grab the cable to start my descent. It all happened in no more than one or two minutes… Luckily there were other divers just below me that saw what happened and took me out of the water to the boat and started CPR. Things can go south very fast when you are a CCR diver and your concern with checklists, avoiding distractions (cameras) and following protocols is more than justified! All the best. Mauricio
I just need to show some appreciation for Woody's pink equipment. Love it! Side note, I always notice you guys pre-apologize for pausing videos. As a non-diver who has always wanted to know how, I have no problem with the pauses. You guys give good information, especially for ppl like me who know nothing. You guys make reaction vids. If ppl want to see the video without the pauses, they can watch that instead. I like hearing your opinions, reactions, and teaching. Don't apologize for doing what you do. Keep it up! I would love for you two to teach me how to dive, minus the caves lol.
i did not like pink nor would I have considered pink as dive equipment, until i dove in a quarry following a buddy with oink tanks, They were highly visible which is awesome in low light or murky situations. Now I have pink fins and would love a pink guardian full face mask . .. .
Well, Brian was right about one thing. He was very lucky to have such an amazing wife. She supported him, encouraged him when he wanted to give up, and told him not to worry about her and go after it. Really not anything more anyone could want from a wife and Brian’s death is being used to save lives. His death is not meaningless and is being used for good now and I am sure he would be proud.
You talk about when you dive having total focus on the diving task, and that's how we divers generally operate. Psychologists call someone with this character trait an 'obsessive compartmentaliser'. "I'm driving the car, if you ask me about dinner next week I won't hear you". The problem comes when we should be in our little diving/cockpit/first responder box, but external issues do intrude. If you're at home making toast and it suddenly strikes you that your wife has been spending an unusual amount on tennis lessons since that new pro arrived, you may get dark toast; if that pops into your mind while you're checking your gasses, you may end up dead. It's a known phenomenom and it can have a catastrophic effect on concentration, disrupting established patterns of behaviour. Part of human factors awareness is recognising situations in yourself and others where 'cognitive failures' can occur and develop strategies to avoid them, or if you do fail, to do so safely.
having a physical checklist that you actually tick off when a task is done will help you stay focussed and prevent second guessing, it also helps with task-loading as you'll know what you've already done and what's left to do
Not to mention that not everybody is an obsessive compartmentalist. It’s hard to imagine someone being able to think about anything else while focusing on something, yet a lot of people do & while some can do it fine & stay focused, for others it leads to distractions that you really can’t have in this type of environment
Thank you for explaining wet vs dry suit. That was a question that I never really knew I had until you started explaining it. That is one of the many things I love (as a non diver) about this channel.
Thank you for this video. I was in Normoxic Trimix CCR training at the same dive “Academy” when Brian had his accident. I had been on dives with Brian (on CCR). Everyone, and I mean everyone at every level of CCR training at the “Academy” thought, “Damn, I knew it was gonna happen at this Academy”. We were all sorry to hear about Brian. It was tragic. Every CCR student, at every level at that time knew it was an inevitability based on how that training was run. It was an avoidable tragedy. In true diving accident tradition, there was a sequence of errors in judgement at many levels that led to the outcome. Bottom line: Brian was the student, the instructor was training fast and loose, and now we have one less fellow diver that was a solid guy and a Patriot. Take care, Ashley, I think of Brian before every dive I make. His memory makes me a safer diver, every time. -C. Metcalf.-
I'm a long way from taking a rebreather course and I knew nothing about them until now. This video was a massive learning tool. You guys put out some of the most informative videos I've seen and I love your channel. From one diver to another, keep up the good work guys.
1:11:58 I disagree with you here Woody. The industry does a great job on technical skills but is lacking on teaching a just culture, team communication (I'm not talking about hand signals here). Diving is still very much a macho culture and some instructors make it very hard for students to feel able to speak up. Remember one of the students in If Only felt she should've spoken up at some point but didn't feel like she could. These things happen a lot but usually don't lead to an accident. Until they do.
I'm not sure attacking the macho diver instructor is the right course of action, maybe instead the person should have had the balls to speakup. Just my opinion.
This is another part you can compare to airline crash investigations. Investigators discovered investigating a number of big airplane crashes... That in a decent portion of them the whole thing could habe been avoided if a co-pilot/first officer or even flight engineer (back in the day) had spoken up. 2 or 3 sets of eyes watching instruments, or 2 or 3 brains working on a problem is better than 1. What they found was happening though, is that when you'd combine a Captain with a lot of seniority, a lot of hours and experience and respect factor, with a much more junior first officer / engineer. Is that the junior guy would just never speak up out of either respect for questioning the orders of the senior guy, or basically a sense of intimidation, like "who am I to question this dude who's got so much more experience than me". So the industry introduced something called CRM... Crew resource management. It's a system by which every single person on the crew, including flight attendants, are trained over and over to ALWAYS speak up if they even remotely think something is out of the ordinary or requires extra attention. Even the least experienced person is encouraged to speak their minds at all times, and the most senior and experienced people are encouraged to always listen. It ensures good teamwork and cooperation and has saved a lot of lives.
@@two-tonetony8722 Pointing out that the "macho" mentality can have catastrophic downsides is acknowledging an important reality. Especially in a learning environment. People ask questions and make comments for a reason, to better understand, or verify their understanding of, a situation. Either one can reveal a critical failure waiting to happen.
What was she going to speak up about? The current, the fact he went in alone before instructor, the fact he rushed through any checklist? He didn't even turn his oxygen on or switch to dive mode. No offense, but those are pretty dumb mistakes. I'd be triple checking that shit esp in training
@@brittanylee4591 i think she noticed many things that seemed out of ill practice: the instructor not double checking everyones gear, and the overall lack of thorough teaching environment. Making mistakes is normal and doesn’t make you stupid, the problem is no one double checked with him and corrected them. This is more a lesson on proper instructing than user error.
I'm not sure if either of you gentlemen are military veterans or not, but your explanations of the immense responsibilities you have as instructors reminds me so much of my Squadron Sgts and commanders when I was in the AF. I'm new to your channel (Mr. Ballen sent me) and already I have so much respect for the two of you. There is no such thing as "short cuts" in doing checks of any type when your goal is to get everyone back home safe. Short cuts = short lives. I can't imagine the weight of such a burden the both of you carry in leading these classes. So much respect for you both. Thanks for wht you do!
@@DIVETALK Wow thanks so much!! Veterans or not, you both have that same heart and spirit. I'd trust you both with my life. If ever I get into diving, I'm coming to you guys to train! Lol 🖤
That's one thing I loved about power line work. They drill into you, hey I don't care if this is your first day and your lineman has been here for 20 years. If you see something that doesn't look right, say something. Don't ever be afraid to ask questions. I can't tell you how many times I heard, you can't out perform safety.
True. I'm an mechanical engineer and we've had a lot of safety training in school. If you see someone doing anything dangerous or weird you say something. It doesn't matter if the guy has been working the job for 30 years you need to talk about it. Even if it's just leaving trash somewhere where someone can trip on it.
I hate that you guys have to apologize for “stopping the video”. That’s why I watch! I know nothing about diving and have learned so much from you guys. Keep up the great work
I'm not a diver, I'm a nuclear engineer and I think this video is important for people in many different fields to watch. While we are regulated by the government, the strict adherence to protocol applies in my field as well. Protocols are there for a reason, wether they are enforced by the government or not. It might just take some people hearing about it from a different perspective for them to better understand it's importance, especially when it comes to compounding errors. Great video as always!
I am not a diver, heck not even a swimmer as I almost drowned, but I have huge respect for divers. It amazes me how much is involved. Respect for this profession. Also prayers to those who lost their lives and their families. 🙏
Woody and Gus, thanks for this video. I’m a brand new open circuit diver with just 6 dives logged as a open water diver. Your highlights about checklists are spot on. I’m also a pilot and use checklists every single time I get the aircraft. This is a eye opener for me to do that final check with a buddy before getting wet. I’m so sorry for this families loss here. This was absolutely preventable with proper checks and no complacency ever among divers getting in the water together.
The worst pain in life is not losing someone. It's the guilt of going on, of persisting, in their absence. Survivor's guilt is a real thing, and she clearly has it.
I don’t know how I stumbled into this technical diving niche… I am not a diver, I probably will never get into it due to my fear but I’m really enjoying these videos as an outsider; I feel like I’m learning a lot from your videos - the way you present your points esp. in this case with such sensitivity but also with a firm stance is great. Subscribed!
Personally, I tripped onto the channel with the following algorithm: disaster timeline breakdowns, chernobyl power plant timeline, chernkbyl exclusion zone video, dudes scuba diving in chernobyl plant water pools/tunnels, reaction video to said divers.
There is a lot to learn and many transferable skills to tech diving. Especially within stress and risk managament. The importance of competence and being safety oriented. I don't tech dive myself, but I am looking to get into it, and I apply a lot of the same strategies in other parts of my life.
I would just like to say that, I am new to diving, never done it in my life, i have my first open water diver class on saturday next week and you guys help so much giving me a kickstart to learning about this whole new work of hobbies. Learning about all the different numbers, and words and even certifications you can get being a diver helps tremendously with my understanding of the whole thing. there is a lot more to diving than I thought and you guys help a lot. Thank you.
As a lifetime climber that’s spent many of scary nights on a sketchy port-a-ledge and even bumped elbows with Alex Honnold growing up and I’ll be the first one to tell you that you diver folk are crazy brave 😯 mad props for real 😧
@@tomriley5790 it’s just funny cuz both sports have you risking your life on your safety protocols and equipment yet every time I watch a Dive Talk vid I’m like, “damn, these people are nuts, I could never do that!” Hahaha 🤣
@@tomriley5790 if my gear fails at 10 feet ima be ok, sadly we can see that’s not the case sometime with you nutty divers(giving mad props btw not talkin sh*t) lol Plus, both of us can fall(sink) if something goes wrong Gus and Woody said so! Lol
@@KP-ol3tc haha! True! In all honesty though so many things went wrong here it's almost unbelievable. I'm struggling for a climbing analogy but sort of like doing an ice climbing course with an experienced climber who sets off from a ledge because he's cold and then discovers that he's forgotten to tie in or put his crampons on and the instructor and climbing buddy doesn't check because he's an experienced climber.... In all honesty one thing that Woody didn't bring up which is a major difference from open circuit scuba is that on a rebreather just because you can breathe on the loop doesn't mean it's safe. On open circuit (those hypoxic mixes aside) if you can breathe that's probably fine (the opposite of this is also true of course - if you have a problem with your rebreather you can still breathe, whereas on open circuit probably you can't.
What a great episode guys. As a newbie diver this put a lot of things into perspective with tremendous detail without scarring me into moving forward towards a potential rebreather side of diving. I will definitely watch this a few times. Thanks guys and may the friends and family related to this tragedy find peace and fall in love with diving all over again.
Please don't feel bad about pausing the video to comment on. This is supposed to be a commentary and not a watch party. I love every pauses because there are so many lessons I have learned from your comments. I am a non-diver but somehow I feel like I am a diver sitting in a class with you as my instructors. Keep it up!
Incredibly serious video to watch, you both did an amazing job of giving an honest reaction and being sensitive to the diver's family, heart goes out to them. For myself, and others like me, who are planning to learn to dive, you guys bring up how serious it is to learn all the skills and safety protocols involved. Love how you both encourage students to ask questions or flat out say, 'wait I"m not ready'. Not a diver yet, but proud how you both champion the industry, great vid gentlemen.
Please bear in mind that sitting relaxed on a bench breathing down the PPO2 in the demonstration is a whole lot different than being in the water, probably overheated/overexerted, stressed, excited and taskloaded, finning because of small current etc. I would not be surprised Brian burned O2 3x faster. It is a common error not to monitor PPO2 when floating on the surface being on the loop. That said ... he was in a course. He was not certified and his instructor should have kept him safe during the course while training. And only certify him as a rebreather diver if he mastered all required skills.
Man, I saw this documentary a few months ago. I signed up for Gareth Lock's online course and bought his book the next day. This is so important to understand for safety...thank you guys for covering this. Powerful stuff.
I would love a link to buy this book. I read a lot of dive related books to learn from. I’m currently reading “Dark Descent” by Kevin F. McMurray about the Empress of Ireland (my goal).
You guys explaining every step of this situation is absolutely fascinating. To hear this tragic story is one thing, to understand exactly what is going really takes it to another level. Thank you guys. RIP Brian.
As a flight instructor I can't help but notice the many similarities between our fields. We even have an ABCDE checklist! The FAA requires student pilots to learn and understand the dangers of the "5 Hazardous Attitudes", being; Antiauthority, Impulsivity, Invulnerability, Macho, and Resignation. I wonder if there is anything similar in dive training?
It probably doesn't matter too much but I wanted to say I watch every episode all the way through. Which is actually a big deal because I have a bad phobia dealing with anything underwater. I can't look at sea creatures without having a panic attack. Not sure why. I've been like this my whole life. I will just put the video down and listen if I get scared. Anyway. Just wanted to say you have my full support. Stay happy and very importantly, stay safe. You two are rolemodels to me even if I will never dare dive myself.
The ocean can be scary like anything else in nature. It’s also just as beautiful as it is scary. I’ve grown up in the ocean learning scuba from my grandpa. It’s so interesting how most people are completely terrified of it. Movies and TV make it look so much more intense than it really is (that is if you’re just doing surface level stuff). It’s quite rare to see something that is looking to attack you. The creatures are just as interested in us as we are in them. That’s why some fish/sharks get so close, they’re curious. I’ve only seen a few sharks in my 18 years of diving and it was in Maui Hawaii. I followed them around and they’re really just trying to get away from us like every other fish. I think the real danger of the ocean is the tides. You can get swept out in the ocean easily if you’re not paying attention.
Sincerely, I would love to see you face and overcome that fear. Though I understand and sympathize, my love for the ocean outweighs any other sentiment. Remember, bravery isn't the absence of fear, but instead the choice to push forward in spite of that fear. Listening to/watching Dive Talk is already your first step :D Love and respect!
I had a phobia, and I did not know why. When I started asking about my early life from before I could remember, I found that a past trauma had caused it. I had no conscious memory of this event. I encourage you to ask those who might know about anything from before you were old enough to remember. Knowing why I had this terrifying, paralyzing fear has helped me to face and overcome it.
ME: ballin like a baby listening to the divers wife. And then reving up for a second wave of tears... YT AD: YOU EVER WONDER HOW ACTORS AND ACTRESSES GET INTO SHAPE BEFORE A MOVIE!!!? ME: Emotions confused and struggling to recover
I watched Dave not Coming Back on TH-cam recently and there was an ad right in the middle of the final description of the recovered footage. I've never been so physically angry at an ad it felt so disrespectful.
Hey guys…I had a narcout if you want to call it that some 20 years ago in martinique…never went under again…that is until You boys brought my confidence back…thanks lads my first try is in 3 weeks so fingers crossed…all the best…NAC
Awesome!!! You'll do great. 20 years ago was a different world. I think the dive community is more safety concious today. Have fun and dive within your limits, and you'll love it. Also, DEFINITELY get a refresher course, now that it's been so long.
Thanks guys for taking the time to explain terminology like "Dry suit clock" for us non divers believe it or not I have learned so much watching you guys.
33:28 "hypercapnia tends to be an issue at depth" - 100% true, from a freediving perspective that can create a very narcd-like feeling deeper than 60m or even less if the water is cold. The first time I experienced this is was a super lucid and bizzare feeling. Blurry vision, foggy thoughts, and loss of the concept of time.
I unfortunately have a medical condition that makes it unlikely that I can dive below 100FT because of what the pressure would do to my body's implanted/internal medical device (I say 'unlikely' because there's not a lot of medical research on the subject, but I'm not about to test it myself), so I appreciate this channel because I still feel like I get the 'experience' of diving from the safety of my house, lol.
Same I have the Deep Brain 🧠 Stimulation for my Dystonia which is a movement disorder and I breathe though my mouth too much so I want to try to dive but I doubt I ever will be able to dive
@@stephanienoblet8503 I have Hydrocephalus controlled with a VP shunt, which basically means that my brain is always under constant, tremendous pressure (due to a ventricle blockage) but the shunt acts as an equalizer for that pressure. So I can only imagine having pressure on the inside AND outside of my body would probably be a really bad idea.
@@Komaesa yeah no way does that sound safe. Not worth the risk in that. I’m pretty sure I wouldnt be able to dive due to a spinal cord injury I had 4 yrs ago but my problem isn’t the pressure, more everything else. I wasn’t able to fly after for some time as well which was to do with the pressure but that problem went after time and I’ve flown since.
I love these kinds of videos because they are so informative. My grandfather was a lifeguard and a diver! I never got into it but he did teach me to swim and just being able to take a peak into the world that he was in really makes me so happy! I am able to understand even a little bit about how great he was to do all this. Luckily he is still with me and I will make sure to appreciate him even more.
"if people are bothering you, if you haven't gotten through your checks, guess what...they'll wait". I can't tell you just how important this qoute is in diving. I just returned from Egypt. Great place to dive but the crew of the diveboat was rushing things to the point that it got dangerous. I should have put one of the deckhands in his place a lot sooner than I did, because people (including me) were making mistakes when gearing up due to his annoying tendencies to rush. Luckily no accidents occured but still it was just pointless. Also one more thing to remember: "The more you rush, the slower I'll go".
Just tell them I’d rather do this once right then never to do it again and die I tell a similar thing to my BJJ students when starting out. Especially adults they want to jump right into things and act like they know just cause they’re older than me or their classmates. Kids ofc are the best learners if you tell them to take something serious once they will. Adults want to rush
All the way back to when I was a very young child, even when my mother would get SOOOooo pissed at how I'd slow down through tasks (usually new ones or things I was unfamiliar with)... I'd eventually just tell her all matter of factly, "Alright, Mom. I'll hurry up, but it's just going to take me longer." AND I've carried that same attitude my whole life, occasionally talking myself into more trouble... BUT I'm usually faster over the very slightly longer term, because when I've done something, it was right the first time, while everyone who rushed through their work, missed little details and have to go back and do it all again... and again... ;o)
Driving scares the sh#t out of me, even swimming scares me but I discovered your channel through a Mr.Ballen reaction and just find your conversations nice to listen to and with putting on gear to demonstrate a point, it really shows your dedication! I'm a (non-diver) fan!
Hi guys, I fully understand the "chain of events" principle, but I can't help feeling the final straw was taking the camera. Being focused on looking at the camera's display may have prevented him from checking his ppO2. I only ever dived Open Circuit up to DM level, but thought about rebreathers. My main concern was thinking that I could not "taste" Oxygen and would therefore be relying on Oxygen sensors. I hope to think I would have been checking my Oxygen levels continuously, perhaps to the detriment of the dive. Thanks for making these educational videos and everyone please stay safe diving. Edit: I also hope this helps reinforce that Instructors should not allow Students to take cameras on training dives.
I have to say " Thank you both, your honesty about your own struggles and failures is so inspiring. It truly shows how much you care about this sport and your fellow humans. Troy
You guys did a fantastic job bringing this out to everyone. I just cannot imagine that one instructor went out with three students into an open water situation with currents, no divemaster or support people, and did not have his head in the game. This is so sad and it could easily been prevented.
The "computer" should really have a haptic vibration function, which would vibrate if PaO2 went into dangerous levels. Every cell phone has vibration function, why don't modern diving "computers" to warn of imminent danger?
@@tropickman Some computers do have a vibratory function. I am not a certified Liberty diver (the one used in this tragic accident), but I believe the Liberty handset does have a vibratory warning. The most popular rebreather diving computers are from Shearwater Research. They only have visual warnings with a color change in the display from white to orange to red.
About “asking up,” or questioning your instructor, it’s essential in any sort of classroom. I urge my students (although I teach in Asia), to ask questions all the time. Although they’re not life-or-death as they are here, if you’re wondering about something, someone else is too. If your life’s on the line, or even if you’re just paying for a class, get your money worth. Make that instructor earn their pay.
I think that is an excellent point. It can be hard to interrupt, slow things down. Get really hard when the only one asking questions - with some instructors and in all things. I think much like don't allow pressured to rush; don't let fear of looking stupid or just plain annoying get in the way of education. It is most likely true someone else has the same question. (And I've always really appreciated someone taking the time to thank me for asking"that". 😜) At the very least people that already do know/remember the answer it is an opportunity for review and a little un-graded self-administered test 😆.
@@theredrover3217 Very true. And let’s face it, if questions weren’t supposed to be asked, you wouldn’t have an instructor there in the first place! If an instructor doesn’t have time put aside for questions, then they’re in need of some classroom management instruction themselves.
Just a real quick big thank you to you both. Im not a diver, but I found the channel last week and have been enthralled and at 40 I'm inspired and am seriously getting the desire to take classes. What a gem this channel is. Thanks again guys, you deserve all the success you will inevitably attain.
Pause all you want, make the videos long! We love it!!! I’ve been watching your videos for a while and they’re just so informative! So happy to have found you guys, and the awareness you spread is needed!
You guys have quickly become one of my favorite channels. Although I'm not a diver, your explanations and demonstrations make understanding the technical side easy. Thanks so much!
Absolutely heart wrenching video. Well done guys. Aside: don’t worry about the length of your videos the off the cuff nature of your dynamic feels like a podcast, so doing longer videos honestly is better IMO! You guys are great, love the content
Unknowingly started watching this on the exact 5 year anniversary of his death, May 20th 2023. Harrowing story, thank you for your insight on the situation ❤️
This is a great video! I've been certified since I was allowed to be with PADI, but I haven't been in the game for a few years. Y'all's ability to educate and breakdown these scenarios is exactly the thing that puts things back in to perspective. You guys are right, it is very important to not become over confident in your ability on any system. Keep up the great work!
Sir I’m a teenager and I’m claustrophobic and afraid of water and I will never probably would try diving but listening to all of your opinions and giving us knowledge about scuba diving safety and calling out false information is really important so I’m thankful sirs ☺️
I'm no re-breather expert, but at the end when the guy was talking about standards, I think he was talking more about uniformity amongst products/configurations rather than how well they preform and how well they are produced/manufactured. If a diver is using brand A and someone else is using brand B, they can both look at each-others equipment/config and see if anything major is problematic w/o being an expert on that brand.
When it comes to CCR (or rebreather) training everyone in the training class is diving the same unit. Because all rebreathers are different, the classes you take are specific to that rebreather. Additionally, when you go through the pre-dive checks the basics are essentially the same. When it comes to your ABC's, they're even the same for OC. The fact that something was missed can happen, the fact that it wasn't spotted in ~15 minutes is the real cause of death. A diver should be checking his/her PO2 regularly. I suspect the camera and various other distractions (task loading) contributed to him not looking at his computer. I'm in Florida where the sun is strong as well, but there's always a way to see the computer screen.
I've never been a diver nor involved with anyone who was a diver. But when I started watching your videos, I haven't been able to watch anything else. Videos are so interesting and you guys are so awesome in the way you explain things. I never knew how much was involved in diving and its equipment. Thank you ❤
I’m a year late to this video but I love the thorough explanations, I love the experiments, it’s very respectfully done too, I am very impressed with your channel!
Woody suddenly appearing with his diving gear, goggles and all, made me smile. It's incredibly sad what happened to Brian. Listening to his wife broke my heart. Complacency kills. I have a huge fear of cave diving, but I would give just about anything to learn to dive extreme depths in open water. I hope I get to learn before it's too late.
How deep is "extreme depths" for you? Open ocean can be much tougher than caves, but as long as you have the time/money.... the limits are pretty high (e.g. deep). What's your goal in going deep? Anyway, only wanted to post that it's very doable :)
I’d like to point out that wetsuits keep you warm because the insulation comes from the neoprene rubber that the suits are made out of. The neoprene has closed gas bubbles that conduct heat slowly and there for insulate you. The water trapped by your wetsuit does insulate you like you said but this is minimal compared to it’s primary function. Super wide spread misconception about wetsuits
i absolutely love learning about anything and everything and the way you structure and make your videos is amazing! the pausing to add context is especially helpful, especially for those of us who have no clue how diving works. i don’t care how long the video is; it’s filled with such valuable information (that’s applicable to everyone). keep up the awesome work yall!
Case studies are such an immensely valuable tool for sewing the seeds of success. I've been flying since I was young and I'm pretty sure pilots would do it with, or without an FAA. Thanks for sharing the story. Contrary to popular preaching, I'm not at all convinced the length is an issue....
Yeah I've never even dived (my dad was a master), but I watch all of the case studies because I want to know everything that could go wrong before I get into the water.
After watching many of your reaction videos and learning a ton, a part of me wants to eventually attempt to take up diving with some classes. I think a first step would be to learn how to swim though. That's probably important. I've always had a fear of water that stemmed from being uncomfortable in it and never learning to swim or tread and I think that's a separate fear I'd have to overcome before I ever thought about diving.
I think it’s an awesome plan! I completely understand feeling that fear of the unknown, but I also believe if we find the right place to learn (and instructors to learn from) that we can do just about anything. I hope you take that first step! I completely understand the fear, but I love that you have the vision to see yourself diving someday and that you know what your first step would be, and that it’s a manageable step. That’s the kind of practicality and problem solving that goes into doing *anything* challenging, and you seem like the kind of person who actually makes things happen!
You're on the right path, I'm doing the same actually. I can swim but not very well and I had some fear to put my head under water without a mask. I tried scuba diving years ago and I was hooked. But I had this problem in my way. So now I started taking some aquaphobia classes, the first course made all my fears dissapear, I feel like a fish underwater, I'm so happy. I can go train alone in the pool when my teacher isn't available. TLDR, You'll be much more comfortable and you'll enjoy your diving lessons much more if you take care of that first. Knowing how to swim is capital in scuba diving. I hope you'll find a nice and comprehensive instructor.
@@Narusasu98 One thing I would like to ask is how did you get over the uncomfortable feeling of water going up your nose without a mask? I eventually practiced until I could open my eyes underwater but could never really stop holding my nose when underwater.
I just found this channel today from a Mr. Ballen video, and I feel like im learning so much already. Ive been binging vids for the past few hours, and although this video didnt seem to be very popular, it was very educational. Thanks for making these videos guys!
Pausing 5 min in just to say there’s not many people on TH-cam that are gonna tell you “we know a lot of you aren’t gonna watch this long ass video” so you can tell it’s 100% about getting the information out there and for that I can’t give you guys enough respect I’m not a diver , I don’t know any divers, nor do I ever plan to become a diver. But I love what you guys do seriously
It's funny, whenever I see you have put out a long video I think to myself "heck yea, an hour plus of Gus and Woody!" Next thing I know the videos over -.- I think the videos are so full of information that I dont notice the time passing by. Keep hitting that pause button, I love it!
What I love about your channel is that I have no interest in diving BUT I love knowing stuff and now I know more about diving than most people so I can be clever and smartass for no reason :D I truly love knowing random stuff and this topic is very interesting to me :) And you two are so nice to watch because you seem like the type of people I love surround myself with
Knowing a little about.many different topics and skills makes us more interesting conversationalist. We can find common ground faster and avoid boring small talk .
Do t worry about the length of the video. This went by so fast because I was so engaged. Truly sad but I’m glad you can shed light on how re-breather divers can stay safe in the future.
Sometimes I look at video length with some channels I’m ‘put off’ but with yours I’m genuinely attracted to watch them as they just fly by, even rewinding back and forth if I miss something. As with this one it’s very interesting and the reactions from you both are excellent, making very good content.
I ran across your videos and have been watching them regularly. They are sooooo interesting and informative. I am not a diver or a swimmer and never have been or do I intend to be but your videos are so interesting that I can't stop watching. I guess I will gain head knowledge rather than actual experience. By the way I am 81 years old. Keep up the excellent work.
My first time actually being up and close was with divers in Florida while fishing....I was bass fishing at the local river and after catching 3 or 4 bass and after constantly throwing in the jig close to a bridge piling I can see multiple alligators in a 100 meter distance to the left and right and they literally walked up and I talked to them a while about the gators and they said that gators don't mess with the divers but it was so cool seeing them...that was my first time ever actually seeing divers going in the water
Thank you guys for this video. I am a new diver who only just got advanced open water so I am no where near a re-breather course but this gave me more confidence to be a better open water diver and not supplant safety no matter how lax it seems. These are important lessons that even rec divers can take to heart to always have a checklist, and even the "easy" dives can be deadly. Keep up the great channel and I look forward to catching up on all your videos.
I really appreciate the physical demonstration I’m a very visual person and having you illustrate how long it would take to loose oxygen made me consider trying diving. This is a tragic situation and I appreciate how compassionate you are while including a wealth of information. Another great video guys!
Thats on a rebreather tho. But do give it a try!! Ive used the "normal" regulatory set up. And didn't even take a course. Its a little nerve racking "forgetting" the whole "I can't breathe underwater" but when you do its pretty awesome. Im saving up to get certified now lol.
this is one of the most educational video ive ever seen . Your input and comments combined with your experience are absolutely priceless. I dont dive rebreather but ive learned a lot from this 80min. Its amazing how much we all learn from this channel. thank you for your time and wisdom .
Such a tragic incident. It's heartbreaking that the wife might be beating herself up about it - she was being supportive and did everything she could for her husband; she couldn't have known. Wanted to comment on checking your buddy, student(s) and fellow instructor(s) - I think no matter your level and years under the dive belt, so to speak, checking whether you have X equipment on and checking O2 levels prevents complacency. You developed those habits - to check everything - for a reason. I would rather question than assume. Sobering video, but I love listening to you two break it all down.
you really have to have a degree of ocd to be a safe/good diver. situation awareness is critical. that means everyone, not just yourself. you guys are great about that. thank you for 'Dive Talk' and sharing your knowledge and experience. take care, stay safe!
"I don't know about you, but I feel like all my pressures - money, job, life, family issues - all those pressures go away while I'm diving." I've never dove, but I know that feeling. I'm a coaster enthusiast, and while it's not like diving, I know the feeling you're describing here. I feel nothing but bliss, calm, and a rush of adrenaline when I'm in that coaster train and have gone over that first drop or launched into the run, soaring through the air, at the mercy of gravity and speed, wind rushing against my face. I feel like I'm present, perfectly in the moment, able to breathe again. Everything else is just gone, all the stress and pain of the world is gone. In those maybe 1-2 minutes of riding that ride, I'm just purely enjoying happiness and joy in the most intense and harmonious of ways. I'm alive, truly alive, and happy to be alive. When you have a hobby or an interest that involves exploring things that are not the typical human experience, when you're into a sport or an extreme thrill or an activity like Diving, you go into another world and become someone else. Everything gets left at the loading station, or at the surface, or in the plane, or off field. The second you step over that threshold and into that other world, you have shed your skin and you're experiencing renewal. I thought your statements there are really something a lot of us can relate to. Thanks :)
Love your content. Your comment on complacency and distraction is spot on. The use of checklists can never be drilled enough be it Diving or Flying as well as other high task environments. Not diving related but topic underscore - Northwest Flight 255 is a great example of a high hour experienced crew (captain had 20K hours) got distracted and missed their taxi checklist. The flight crashed on takeoff in Detroit killing 150 people because the aircraft was never configured for takeoff (flaps). New viewer but ditto from me on the longer vid's.
Hey guys, I’m not sure how to contact you outside of leaving a comment on this video, so I hope it reaches you. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch this film and for your kind and compassionate words. I’m continuously grateful for the opportunities I’ve had in which to share my husbands story and to see how it’s being spread throughout this diving community he loved so much. This was a tragic loss not only to me and my three children, but to the world at large. He was an incredible man. 💔 Thank you for sharing this, and for the personal comments about not carrying the burden of guilt with me. I think all of us who have lost someone carry a piece of “If only…” with us, and I’m eternally grateful you’ve taken the time to share this with so many people. Thank you all so much. Please feel free to reach out if you want to discuss any aspects of this film and/or Brian’s story with me. ❤️ Ashley Bugge
Ashley, I’m so sorry for your loss and would’ve loved to meet Brian and share some amazing dives with him, he definitely seemed to be super passionate about diving and that’s something we absolutely have in common.
It’s hard to put into words how much I appreciate you taking the time to not only watch our video but to leave a comment and share your willingness to meet with us and discuss further.
We are the ones eternally grateful for Brian’s service in the military and for the countless lives he has saved and will continue to save in the future from divers who will learn about Brian and about what happened, and your strength and willingness to share that story to make sure this doesn’t happen to someone else really shows your character. I’m proud of you.
You can reach us at info@divetalk.com anytime.
We really appreciate this comment, and we would love to stay in touch with you if that’s okay.
Gus
Hi Ashley, this is Woody. I share Gus’s sediments and I’m extremely touched that you reached out to us. You were/are so brave to share this story with the world. I’m so sorry for your loss. I know you and your children will always be proud of him. Sadly, his tragic loss of life (and you) have now contributed greatly to enhance the absolute essential priority of how safety always must be priority number 1, ESPECIALLY for dive instructors as they train and ALWAYS supervisor their students. It would be our honor to speak with you further. You can truly see through your words the special bond and love you two had for each other. I bet he would be so proud of you for sharing this story as you did. Thank you again for that. With total respect, Woody.
Am so sorry for you and your children's loss my heat breaks for yall you will be in my prayers
@AshleyBugge , im so sorry for yours and your babies beautiful loss. I hope and pray you don't hold any kind of guilt. You were the best wife in my opinion you want what makes your husband happy and you want him to go for his goals. I would have done the exact same thing. I've been with my husband for almost 17years we have 1 adopted baby girl who's 8yrs old and we have a 3month old. I cant even began to think about how it would effect our children and my self and our families and friends. Your a strong woman & mother & wife. Your husband was amazing and that will live on forever. This brought me to tears listening to you (Ashley) and Gus and Woody paint a beautiful picture of your husband. Im so thankful you shared something so special even if it saves just one person your the reason why.. Sending love and prayers to you and your beautiful babies and families and friends. Thank you so much momma🙏🕊⚓
God bless you and your family
Not a rebreather diver but I am an anesthesiologist. Checklist every patient, every case no exceptions. I have been doing this almost 20 years. Doesn't matter. Every case, every time.
@@jinxigrl as a pilot, i agree
Im on Hospice with stage 4 Cancer and lay in bed and watch these videos and it helps me tremendously! thank you Gus and Woody.
Hugs to you 🙏
Hope your in remission Sir, GOD speed, GOD bless and safe travels...
Sometimes it really is the little things. I don't have much time myself and I really do appreciate each day and all the support around me.❤😊prayers to you and your loved ones.
Denise
Milwaukee wisconsin USA
@mikecarson101 Sending you hugs, and I pray you get through this. Sending you all the best..😢 I just went through this with my father. My heart is forever broken 😢 Stay positive, and I will to..❤ xx Hydie
I'm not a diver. Actually, I have never even been interested in diving - but I really enjoy listening to you two discuss diving and the processes involved. I have a very healthy respect for it all, and while I'll still prefer to just snorkel and stay close to the surface, I thank you for all the fantastic information and in your collective style of communicating it all.
I am exactly the same. Snorkeling is as far as I go, but so into the diving stories, cave diving stuff and love these guys videos about diving!
I'm in the same boat
Bro same here! Got into these videos n stories because of them but it lowkey made me wanna dive a little. Nothin crazy at all but these guys just make me respect it so much and make me wanna overcome my fear of diving at least once!
Love y’all guys videos and this long video was so good, y’all should do more of them honestly!
Ive always loved the idea of diving but never on the same page with water 💧 finding this channel i can genuinly say for the first time in my life ide want them to teach me
Same! Addicted to watching these but not interested in diving really - love snorkeling.
Just so you know, I would love longer videos, I feel a lot of us would. Never limit yourself because you think we'll get bored, listening to you two is meditative to me.
So true ! this is one of the few channels I can listen to for hours .. The Edd Sorenson and Mike Young one for example was epic the whole way through !
Absolutely! I listen to Dive Talk when I'm sewing (which I can do for hours and hours) and whenever I see a long video I'm like awww yis!
Yes we love longer format! The beauty of youtube
Me too!
@@Getsum725 i rewatch them all the time 😀 I hope I get to meet these legends some day
"Coming from the military where stuff comes on time."
I served in the military, I can assure stuff does not come on time.
Hurry up and wait. I served too.
If it’s something you don’t want it’s never late
It's never too late to thank y'all for serving in the military though.😊
It's exactly the opposite. We are insanely patient bc we have spent years standing around waiting for shit to start, only to get told to go somewhere else and wait.
@@justanotherotrguy imho one of the most important lessons I learned in the military is patience and staying calm and being able to wait
I really liked the point you made about experienced divers being upset about buddy checks and taking care of each other. I’ve only done one dive, but have over 400 skydives. It is the same thing in the skydiving community. Regardless of experience I always ask for an equipment check on the way to altitude. It blows my mind receiving anything but an emphatic yes when I ask another experienced skydiver if they want me to check their gear out. Put your ego aside and be safe.
Same goes for rock climbing. Many climbers turn their noses up at buddy checks, and I've gotten some strange looks for insisting on following all safety steps in the gym.
Better safe than sorry I say.
True. Same applies for medical field. So many avoidable occurrences if protocols were followed. As you say, when people become complacent and checklists and protocols gets watered down.
@@pietekoo5559 I'm a pharmacy technician and I can't tell how many things are caught when a second, third, fourth ect set of eyes looks at something. It always shocks me when people are scared to ask when they have a question about something. So many things in life are safer because of "stop the line" like procedures, second checks and asking questions.
@@ThatGirlJD So true.
@@ThatGirlJD Interestingly, I just recently watched a video of a plane crash whereby the pilot and second officer went through the take-off checklist interalia when to abort or go ahead if something goes wrong whilst in the process of rolling down the runway. On take-off, a tyre actually burst, and indecision whether to abort or to continue take- off, actually led to a crash. The NTSA investigated and they described part of the reason of the crash, was "automatism" whereby the same procedure gets recited so many times that people eventually pay no real attention to the check.
I have never been a diver but I was a pilot. When Woody went through that summary of how all the little factors added up to another level of complexity and can create problems I immediately thought about the fact that crashes are usually not do to one thing but a series of small steps or incidents that by themselves seem innocuous. I really love your videos no matter how long, or how technical, they are fascinating.
Yeah that's a hard problem for most people to understand cause and effect is kind of limited. What caused the accident? I like vectors myself the first small mistake is a vector towards disaster the second is another and another and if you don't have enough vectors going to the good you can be in trouble.
The swiss cheese model 👌
@@Mikesworld777 here's an atomic bit of you want to learn something without blaming anybody. Which came first the chicken or the egg? There's no way to know it toggles back-and-forth there's only two. Which came first the cause or the effect? It's a toggle so it bounces back and forth. I have a thing I believe more than I believe in anything else. Do your job do your whole job and do nothing but your job. I was on a truck job and the trainer told me not to lock the trailer we were only going 15 minutes, do the next stop. I lock the trailer and I told him to take me back to the fleet if he thought he could teach me not to do my job. I will never be talkin to the FBI agent, and have him ask me do you always blow off half of your job and not do it or was this something special and you hit something and ruin the tire so the truck would be stopped long enough for somebody to get in the back?
@@markmcgoveran6811what?
One of my colleagues calls disaster a result of "swiss cheese alignment". On rare occaisions you can see through a Swiss Cheese - the holes all line up.
This video completely made me cry. The lost diver’s wife crying when she supported him to do his last required day of training to complete his rebreather certification. I just pray she doesn’t blame herself. 🥺 She was just being a loving and supportive wife. 💯❤️ I will watch the full documentary next…. Thank-you for the link to the original and this review while handling this difficult situation with gentleness and kindness. 👌
Definitely hard to watch...such a horrible and preventable tragedy
@@DIVETALK I am near end and had a strong & immediate reaction to one thing: When watching the lost diver’s wife speak, at no moment did I get the impression she pressured her husband to “finish the class and be done with it”. I didn’t think that was fair to her, especially when she is dealing with “what if” and grief. If a documentary can interview her and illicit her responses, I find it hard to believe throughout the investigation, that the same didn’t occur with them.
i have a feeling you get emotional about alot of stuff lol
@@sn3akydna314 I’m not ashamed of being a sentimental person.
@@sn3akydna314 That's a good thing.
As a scuba diver, I DO think that after these types of diving incidents, there should be investigations similar to air traffic accidents. Let me explain why.
Air traffic accident investigations focus on a; What happened, b; Why did it go wrong, and c; What can be done to prevent it in the future.
If something similar is done (Internally by independent dive professionals) then all of us get an opportunity to learn and change procedures for the better
that would help or just make the training a bit harder and take the whole thing more seriously like to the degree us pilots take flying. ps I also scuba dive.
@@masonmax1000 i think it would increase discipline and safety. In a recent episode with the rebreather scrubber incident I remember Woody going through the procedure that should have been followed. These investigations if done with the right intention can be useful
@@johnjob9523 yeah being a pilot and a diver I always wondered how is scuba so lenient when in the aviation world rules are written in blood. should be the same way for scuba.
@@masonmax1000 Commercial versus private I would guess. Like private crashes are really investigated because it does or can have an impact on commercial side. For diving, there just isn't that scope as greatly. I mean I bet commercial divers in their industry will have investigations and update their procedures, but that is internal to their workplace/industry. (Only going for that as my work we supplied a commercial diving team (welders and repairs) and chatted with them a bit)
That already happens, just an FYI. Investigations occur, they find out what happened, what went wrong, and what can be done to fix it (which we all, already know). DAN usually writes about the incidents.
I really love the fact that you guys explain everything in detail for the people who don’t know too much about diving, like me and don’t think it’s all self explanatory. I really appreciate it a lot. I learn so much from these kinds of videos!
Agreed!! They're so informative in a way that's easy to understand.
Again, the design of equipment, Why doesn't the "computer" have a haptic vibration function, that would immediately warn the diver of danger! This way, they won't have to look at it all the time, which probably decreases with experienced divers anyways due to complacency.
@@tropickman okoolilikoooo
N true. Horror that awaits if theydo 1 little thing wrong torturous they wanted to die like this or they would live like that they'd die more horrble like that caveing n underwater caving is the absalute worst me i ll stick with rollarcoaster the good onsije cedar point even kiddy Disney world n land bush gardens all of them been to most scary storys like u guys n mr ballen especially if true horror movies i was a teenage pairs figure compatituin figur skater exhilarating. Flashy im a show off n pairs is the most danders of all firgur skating first learn boring trace line in 1000 skates with jump bars n toe stops a was rollar artistic but exact right down to the names of everything jumps spins pairs lifts what i did u have to be a substatial in your own single woman singles same with the guy lifts n pairs skater the guys men r yes 9 out of 10 straight hetrosexual nothing against homosexual but they would make me do as good job b cuz id get the cute ones n frankly i hate to admit safer
@Richard Louk - WHAT??! Those 2 ridiculously long sentences made zero sense.
Thank you to Brian's wife for being so brave and strong to tell his story. If it helps safe 1 person's life ,it was worth it. GOD BLESS HER AND HER CHILDREN FOR BEING SO STRONG.
Thank you 💛
"A rebreather gives you time to deal with problems, if there's not a problem before you jump in the water"
What a great quote, Woody.
Dear Woody and Gus,
I’m a IANTD Normoxic CCR Diver from Brazil and just adore this channel.
Cheers for your high quality content and didatic.
This video particularly struck me cause I experienced myself a very similar incident one year ago in a shallow dive here in Brazil. My O2 shutoff closed when I jumped off the boat, and I got hypoxic and blacked out swimming on the way to grab the cable to start my descent. It all happened in no more than one or two minutes…
Luckily there were other divers just below me that saw what happened and took me out of the water to the boat and started CPR. Things can go south very fast when you are a CCR diver and your concern with checklists, avoiding distractions (cameras) and following protocols is more than justified!
All the best.
Mauricio
WOW Mauricio, so glad you are okay!
Thank you for sharing your story and let's go CCR diving in Brazil!
Glad you’re still with us bro.
I just need to show some appreciation for Woody's pink equipment. Love it!
Side note, I always notice you guys pre-apologize for pausing videos. As a non-diver who has always wanted to know how, I have no problem with the pauses. You guys give good information, especially for ppl like me who know nothing. You guys make reaction vids. If ppl want to see the video without the pauses, they can watch that instead. I like hearing your opinions, reactions, and teaching. Don't apologize for doing what you do. Keep it up! I would love for you two to teach me how to dive, minus the caves lol.
Yes 🙌🏼
i did not like pink nor would I have considered pink as dive equipment, until i dove in a quarry following a buddy with oink tanks, They were highly visible which is awesome in low light or murky situations. Now I have pink fins and would love a pink guardian full face mask . .. .
@@pamturner5529 Is that why Woody wears pink a lot? I just figured he liked the color. lol
Yes, all the words above!
Agreed! They shouldn’t feel they need to apologize. I don’t think most of us care.
Well, Brian was right about one thing. He was very lucky to have such an amazing wife. She supported him, encouraged him when he wanted to give up, and told him not to worry about her and go after it. Really not anything more anyone could want from a wife and Brian’s death is being used to save lives. His death is not meaningless and is being used for good now and I am sure he would be proud.
Thank you very much for the kind words. 💛
You talk about when you dive having total focus on the diving task, and that's how we divers generally operate. Psychologists call someone with this character trait an 'obsessive compartmentaliser'. "I'm driving the car, if you ask me about dinner next week I won't hear you". The problem comes when we should be in our little diving/cockpit/first responder box, but external issues do intrude. If you're at home making toast and it suddenly strikes you that your wife has been spending an unusual amount on tennis lessons since that new pro arrived, you may get dark toast; if that pops into your mind while you're checking your gasses, you may end up dead. It's a known phenomenom and it can have a catastrophic effect on concentration, disrupting established patterns of behaviour. Part of human factors awareness is recognising situations in yourself and others where 'cognitive failures' can occur and develop strategies to avoid them, or if you do fail, to do so safely.
Well said
I wonder if this is more common for neurodivergent people. I struggle with this a LOT when I'm hyperfocusing.
having a physical checklist that you actually tick off when a task is done will help you stay focussed and prevent second guessing, it also helps with task-loading as you'll know what you've already done and what's left to do
Not to mention that not everybody is an obsessive compartmentalist. It’s hard to imagine someone being able to think about anything else while focusing on something, yet a lot of people do & while some can do it fine & stay focused, for others it leads to distractions that you really can’t have in this type of environment
Yes, well said!
Thank you for explaining wet vs dry suit. That was a question that I never really knew I had until you started explaining it. That is one of the many things I love (as a non diver) about this channel.
Thank you for this video. I was in Normoxic Trimix CCR training at the same dive “Academy” when Brian had his accident. I had been on dives with Brian (on CCR). Everyone, and I mean everyone at every level of CCR training at the “Academy” thought, “Damn, I knew it was gonna happen at this Academy”. We were all sorry to hear about Brian. It was tragic. Every CCR student, at every level at that time knew it was an inevitability based on how that training was run. It was an avoidable tragedy. In true diving accident tradition, there was a sequence of errors in judgement at many levels that led to the outcome. Bottom line: Brian was the student, the instructor was training fast and loose, and now we have one less fellow diver that was a solid guy and a Patriot. Take care, Ashley, I think of Brian before every dive I make. His memory makes me a safer diver, every time. -C. Metcalf.-
I'm a long way from taking a rebreather course and I knew nothing about them until now. This video was a massive learning tool. You guys put out some of the most informative videos I've seen and I love your channel. From one diver to another, keep up the good work guys.
Good luck on your rebreather class!
1:11:58 I disagree with you here Woody. The industry does a great job on technical skills but is lacking on teaching a just culture, team communication (I'm not talking about hand signals here). Diving is still very much a macho culture and some instructors make it very hard for students to feel able to speak up. Remember one of the students in If Only felt she should've spoken up at some point but didn't feel like she could. These things happen a lot but usually don't lead to an accident. Until they do.
I'm not sure attacking the macho diver instructor is the right course of action, maybe instead the person should have had the balls to speakup. Just my opinion.
This is another part you can compare to airline crash investigations. Investigators discovered investigating a number of big airplane crashes... That in a decent portion of them the whole thing could habe been avoided if a co-pilot/first officer or even flight engineer (back in the day) had spoken up. 2 or 3 sets of eyes watching instruments, or 2 or 3 brains working on a problem is better than 1. What they found was happening though, is that when you'd combine a Captain with a lot of seniority, a lot of hours and experience and respect factor, with a much more junior first officer / engineer. Is that the junior guy would just never speak up out of either respect for questioning the orders of the senior guy, or basically a sense of intimidation, like "who am I to question this dude who's got so much more experience than me". So the industry introduced something called CRM... Crew resource management. It's a system by which every single person on the crew, including flight attendants, are trained over and over to ALWAYS speak up if they even remotely think something is out of the ordinary or requires extra attention. Even the least experienced person is encouraged to speak their minds at all times, and the most senior and experienced people are encouraged to always listen. It ensures good teamwork and cooperation and has saved a lot of lives.
@@two-tonetony8722 Pointing out that the "macho" mentality can have catastrophic downsides is acknowledging an important reality. Especially in a learning environment. People ask questions and make comments for a reason, to better understand, or verify their understanding of, a situation. Either one can reveal a critical failure waiting to happen.
What was she going to speak up about? The current, the fact he went in alone before instructor, the fact he rushed through any checklist? He didn't even turn his oxygen on or switch to dive mode. No offense, but those are pretty dumb mistakes. I'd be triple checking that shit esp in training
@@brittanylee4591 i think she noticed many things that seemed out of ill practice: the instructor not double checking everyones gear, and the overall lack of thorough teaching environment. Making mistakes is normal and doesn’t make you stupid, the problem is no one double checked with him and corrected them. This is more a lesson on proper instructing than user error.
I'm not sure if either of you gentlemen are military veterans or not, but your explanations of the immense responsibilities you have as instructors reminds me so much of my Squadron Sgts and commanders when I was in the AF. I'm new to your channel (Mr. Ballen sent me) and already I have so much respect for the two of you. There is no such thing as "short cuts" in doing checks of any type when your goal is to get everyone back home safe. Short cuts = short lives. I can't imagine the weight of such a burden the both of you carry in leading these classes. So much respect for you both. Thanks for wht you do!
We are not veterans but we have the utmost respect for our veterans and we thank you for your service.
@@DIVETALK Wow thanks so much!! Veterans or not, you both have that same heart and spirit. I'd trust you both with my life. If ever I get into diving, I'm coming to you guys to train! Lol 🖤
Mr.Ballen send me too 😃
That's one thing I loved about power line work. They drill into you, hey I don't care if this is your first day and your lineman has been here for 20 years. If you see something that doesn't look right, say something. Don't ever be afraid to ask questions.
I can't tell you how many times I heard, you can't out perform safety.
Great point
Exactly. A culture where people aren't afraid to speak up saves many lives.
True. I'm an mechanical engineer and we've had a lot of safety training in school. If you see someone doing anything dangerous or weird you say something. It doesn't matter if the guy has been working the job for 30 years you need to talk about it. Even if it's just leaving trash somewhere where someone can trip on it.
I hate that you guys have to apologize for “stopping the video”. That’s why I watch! I know nothing about diving and have learned so much from you guys. Keep up the great work
I'm not a diver, I'm a nuclear engineer and I think this video is important for people in many different fields to watch. While we are regulated by the government, the strict adherence to protocol applies in my field as well. Protocols are there for a reason, wether they are enforced by the government or not. It might just take some people hearing about it from a different perspective for them to better understand it's importance, especially when it comes to compounding errors. Great video as always!
I am not a diver, heck not even a swimmer as I almost drowned, but I have huge respect for divers. It amazes me how much is involved. Respect for this profession. Also prayers to those who lost their lives and their families. 🙏
I love how you dont care about video length and u make sure the information is out there!!! so important!
Woody and Gus, thanks for this video. I’m a brand new open circuit diver with just 6 dives logged as a open water diver. Your highlights about checklists are spot on. I’m also a pilot and use checklists every single time I get the aircraft. This is a eye opener for me to do that final check with a buddy before getting wet. I’m so sorry for this families loss here. This was absolutely preventable with proper checks and no complacency ever among divers getting in the water together.
The worst pain in life is not losing someone. It's the guilt of going on, of persisting, in their absence. Survivor's guilt is a real thing, and she clearly has it.
I don’t know how I stumbled into this technical diving niche… I am not a diver, I probably will never get into it due to my fear but I’m really enjoying these videos as an outsider; I feel like I’m learning a lot from your videos - the way you present your points esp. in this case with such sensitivity but also with a firm stance is great. Subscribed!
Personally, I tripped onto the channel with the following algorithm: disaster timeline breakdowns, chernobyl power plant timeline, chernkbyl exclusion zone video, dudes scuba diving in chernobyl plant water pools/tunnels, reaction video to said divers.
What if you end up in a game of technical diving based trivia ? That's what I tell myself qhen I question why I watch every dive talk video
@@lilscratchnsniff hahahaha
There is a lot to learn and many transferable skills to tech diving. Especially within stress and risk managament. The importance of competence and being safety oriented.
I don't tech dive myself, but I am looking to get into it, and I apply a lot of the same strategies in other parts of my life.
@@paulchaisson8301 I'm on kinda the same journey; started with the Chernobyl series and now enjoying the other informative video. RIP Brian. 😥
What a tragedy.. I'm glad you informed yourself on this incident before reacting. Very professional and respectful of you ❤️ RIP Brian.
I would just like to say that, I am new to diving, never done it in my life, i have my first open water diver class on saturday next week and you guys help so much giving me a kickstart to learning about this whole new work of hobbies. Learning about all the different numbers, and words and even certifications you can get being a diver helps tremendously with my understanding of the whole thing. there is a lot more to diving than I thought and you guys help a lot. Thank you.
As a lifetime climber that’s spent many of scary nights on a sketchy port-a-ledge and even bumped elbows with Alex Honnold growing up and I’ll be the first one to tell you that you diver folk are crazy brave 😯 mad props for real 😧
Geez.... all I'll say is you portaledge guys are either crazy or brave (or both:-)!)
@@tomriley5790 it’s just funny cuz both sports have you risking your life on your safety protocols and equipment yet every time I watch a Dive Talk vid I’m like, “damn, these people are nuts, I could never do that!” Hahaha 🤣
@@KP-ol3tc Yeah but when you're diving you don't fall :-)!
@@tomriley5790 if my gear fails at 10 feet ima be ok, sadly we can see that’s not the case sometime with you nutty divers(giving mad props btw not talkin sh*t) lol Plus, both of us can fall(sink) if something goes wrong Gus and Woody said so! Lol
@@KP-ol3tc haha! True! In all honesty though so many things went wrong here it's almost unbelievable. I'm struggling for a climbing analogy but sort of like doing an ice climbing course with an experienced climber who sets off from a ledge because he's cold and then discovers that he's forgotten to tie in or put his crampons on and the instructor and climbing buddy doesn't check because he's an experienced climber.... In all honesty one thing that Woody didn't bring up which is a major difference from open circuit scuba is that on a rebreather just because you can breathe on the loop doesn't mean it's safe. On open circuit (those hypoxic mixes aside) if you can breathe that's probably fine (the opposite of this is also true of course - if you have a problem with your rebreather you can still breathe, whereas on open circuit probably you can't.
Thanks for keeping me company during my insomnia attack. You guys rock.
What a great episode guys. As a newbie diver this put a lot of things into perspective with tremendous detail without scarring me into moving forward towards a potential rebreather side of diving. I will definitely watch this a few times. Thanks guys and may the friends and family related to this tragedy find peace and fall in love with diving all over again.
Please don't feel bad about pausing the video to comment on. This is supposed to be a commentary and not a watch party. I love every pauses because there are so many lessons I have learned from your comments. I am a non-diver but somehow I feel like I am a diver sitting in a class with you as my instructors. Keep it up!
Incredibly serious video to watch, you both did an amazing job of giving an honest reaction and being sensitive to the diver's family, heart goes out to them. For myself, and others like me, who are planning to learn to dive, you guys bring up how serious it is to learn all the skills and safety protocols involved. Love how you both encourage students to ask questions or flat out say, 'wait I"m not ready'. Not a diver yet, but proud how you both champion the industry, great vid gentlemen.
Please bear in mind that sitting relaxed on a bench breathing down the PPO2 in the demonstration is a whole lot different than being in the water, probably overheated/overexerted, stressed, excited and taskloaded, finning because of small current etc. I would not be surprised Brian burned O2 3x faster.
It is a common error not to monitor PPO2 when floating on the surface being on the loop.
That said ... he was in a course. He was not certified and his instructor should have kept him safe during the course while training. And only certify him as a rebreather diver if he mastered all required skills.
Man, I saw this documentary a few months ago. I signed up for Gareth Lock's online course and bought his book the next day. This is so important to understand for safety...thank you guys for covering this. Powerful stuff.
Thank you for watching.
I would love a link to buy this book. I read a lot of dive related books to learn from. I’m currently reading “Dark Descent” by Kevin F. McMurray about the Empress of Ireland (my goal).
I just started listening to Gareth's book on the way to work today. What a coincidence.
You guys explaining every step of this situation is absolutely fascinating. To hear this tragic story is one thing, to understand exactly what is going really takes it to another level. Thank you guys. RIP Brian.
As a flight instructor I can't help but notice the many similarities between our fields. We even have an ABCDE checklist! The FAA requires student pilots to learn and understand the dangers of the "5 Hazardous Attitudes", being; Antiauthority, Impulsivity, Invulnerability, Macho, and Resignation. I wonder if there is anything similar in dive training?
Literally never dived and never will dive but enjoy your videos for some reason. Heartfelt respect goes out to the poor chap that lost his life.
It probably doesn't matter too much but I wanted to say I watch every episode all the way through. Which is actually a big deal because I have a bad phobia dealing with anything underwater. I can't look at sea creatures without having a panic attack. Not sure why. I've been like this my whole life. I will just put the video down and listen if I get scared. Anyway. Just wanted to say you have my full support. Stay happy and very importantly, stay safe. You two are rolemodels to me even if I will never dare dive myself.
The ocean terrifies me too. As do sea creatures lol. But I’ve scuba’d a few times and that fear goes. It’s amazing 👍
The ocean can be scary like anything else in nature. It’s also just as beautiful as it is scary. I’ve grown up in the ocean learning scuba from my grandpa. It’s so interesting how most people are completely terrified of it. Movies and TV make it look so much more intense than it really is (that is if you’re just doing surface level stuff). It’s quite rare to see something that is looking to attack you. The creatures are just as interested in us as we are in them. That’s why some fish/sharks get so close, they’re curious. I’ve only seen a few sharks in my 18 years of diving and it was in Maui Hawaii. I followed them around and they’re really just trying to get away from us like every other fish. I think the real danger of the ocean is the tides. You can get swept out in the ocean easily if you’re not paying attention.
Makes sense we really Dont belong in it. Atleast under the surface
Sincerely, I would love to see you face and overcome that fear.
Though I understand and sympathize, my love for the ocean outweighs any other sentiment.
Remember, bravery isn't the absence of fear, but instead the choice to push forward in spite of that fear.
Listening to/watching Dive Talk is already your first step :D
Love and respect!
I had a phobia, and I did not know why. When I started asking about my early life from before I could remember, I found that a past trauma had caused it. I had no conscious memory of this event. I encourage you to ask those who might know about anything from before you were old enough to remember. Knowing why I had this terrifying, paralyzing fear has helped me to face and overcome it.
ME: ballin like a baby listening to the divers wife. And then reving up for a second wave of tears...
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I watched Dave not Coming Back on TH-cam recently and there was an ad right in the middle of the final description of the recovered footage. I've never been so physically angry at an ad it felt so disrespectful.
Hey guys…I had a narcout if you want to call it that some 20 years ago in martinique…never went under again…that is until You boys brought my confidence back…thanks lads my first try is in 3 weeks so fingers crossed…all the best…NAC
Good Luck!
Good luck!! You got this!
Always get back on the bike after a fall.
Awesome!!!
You'll do great. 20 years ago was a different world. I think the dive community is more safety concious today. Have fun and dive within your limits, and you'll love it. Also, DEFINITELY get a refresher course, now that it's been so long.
@@DIVETALK does he really need the luck? Or confidence? 🤔
Thanks guys for taking the time to explain terminology like "Dry suit clock" for us non divers believe it or not I have learned so much watching you guys.
That’s dedication Woody, whipping your rebreather setup out to demonstrate on the sofa 😁
33:28 "hypercapnia tends to be an issue at depth" - 100% true, from a freediving perspective that can create a very narcd-like feeling deeper than 60m or even less if the water is cold. The first time I experienced this is was a super lucid and bizzare feeling. Blurry vision, foggy thoughts, and loss of the concept of time.
Do you remember how deep you went and the temp? Super interesting
I unfortunately have a medical condition that makes it unlikely that I can dive below 100FT because of what the pressure would do to my body's implanted/internal medical device (I say 'unlikely' because there's not a lot of medical research on the subject, but I'm not about to test it myself), so I appreciate this channel because I still feel like I get the 'experience' of diving from the safety of my house, lol.
Same I have the Deep Brain 🧠 Stimulation for my Dystonia which is a movement disorder and I breathe though my mouth too much so I want to try to dive but I doubt I ever will be able to dive
@@stephanienoblet8503 I have Hydrocephalus controlled with a VP shunt, which basically means that my brain is always under constant, tremendous pressure (due to a ventricle blockage) but the shunt acts as an equalizer for that pressure. So I can only imagine having pressure on the inside AND outside of my body would probably be a really bad idea.
@@Komaesa yeah no way does that sound safe. Not worth the risk in that. I’m pretty sure I wouldnt be able to dive due to a spinal cord injury I had 4 yrs ago but my problem isn’t the pressure, more everything else. I wasn’t able to fly after for some time as well which was to do with the pressure but that problem went after time and I’ve flown since.
Most recreational scuba diving stays well above 100 feet (the limit is 130) - that shouldn't be a problem.
@@stephanienoblet8503 You may very well be able to dive. FYI when diving you HAVE TO breathe through your mouth.
I love these kinds of videos because they are so informative. My grandfather was a lifeguard and a diver! I never got into it but he did teach me to swim and just being able to take a peak into the world that he was in really makes me so happy! I am able to understand even a little bit about how great he was to do all this. Luckily he is still with me and I will make sure to appreciate him even more.
"if people are bothering you, if you haven't gotten through your checks, guess what...they'll wait". I can't tell you just how important this qoute is in diving.
I just returned from Egypt. Great place to dive but the crew of the diveboat was rushing things to the point that it got dangerous. I should have put one of the deckhands in his place a lot sooner than I did, because people (including me) were making mistakes when gearing up due to his annoying tendencies to rush. Luckily no accidents occured but still it was just pointless. Also one more thing to remember: "The more you rush, the slower I'll go".
Just tell them I’d rather do this once right then never to do it again and die I tell a similar thing to my BJJ students when starting out. Especially adults they want to jump right into things and act like they know just cause they’re older than me or their classmates. Kids ofc are the best learners if you tell them to take something serious once they will. Adults want to rush
All the way back to when I was a very young child, even when my mother would get SOOOooo pissed at how I'd slow down through tasks (usually new ones or things I was unfamiliar with)... I'd eventually just tell her all matter of factly, "Alright, Mom. I'll hurry up, but it's just going to take me longer."
AND I've carried that same attitude my whole life, occasionally talking myself into more trouble... BUT I'm usually faster over the very slightly longer term, because when I've done something, it was right the first time, while everyone who rushed through their work, missed little details and have to go back and do it all again... and again... ;o)
Driving scares the sh#t out of me, even swimming scares me but I discovered your channel through a Mr.Ballen reaction and just find your conversations nice to listen to and with putting on gear to demonstrate a point, it really shows your dedication! I'm a (non-diver) fan!
Hi guys, I fully understand the "chain of events" principle, but I can't help feeling the final straw was taking the camera. Being focused on looking at the camera's display may have prevented him from checking his ppO2. I only ever dived Open Circuit up to DM level, but thought about rebreathers. My main concern was thinking that I could not "taste" Oxygen and would therefore be relying on Oxygen sensors. I hope to think I would have been checking my Oxygen levels continuously, perhaps to the detriment of the dive. Thanks for making these educational videos and everyone please stay safe diving.
Edit: I also hope this helps reinforce that Instructors should not allow Students to take cameras on training dives.
Agreed Paul.
I would love to be trained by one of you guys. You're so passionate and I can tell you love what you do
I have to say " Thank you both, your honesty about your own struggles and failures is so inspiring. It truly shows how much you care about this sport and your fellow humans. Troy
You guys did a fantastic job bringing this out to everyone. I just cannot imagine that one instructor went out with three students into an open water situation with currents, no divemaster or support people, and did not have his head in the game. This is so sad and it could easily been prevented.
Predive "ABCDE" checklist. Great idea and super simple. I wonder what brilliant instructor taught you guys that one? :)
THE BEST ONE
@@DIVETALK 🤣🤣🤣👍
The "computer" should really have a haptic vibration function, which would vibrate if PaO2 went into dangerous levels. Every cell phone has vibration function, why don't modern diving "computers" to warn of imminent danger?
@@tropickman Some computers do have a vibratory function. I am not a certified Liberty diver (the one used in this tragic accident), but I believe the Liberty handset does have a vibratory warning. The most popular rebreather diving computers are from Shearwater Research. They only have visual warnings with a color change in the display from white to orange to red.
@@tropickman Great, I was gonna say the same thing. Could've easily saved his life, vibration.
+1 for long videos, with lots of interruptions.
About “asking up,” or questioning your instructor, it’s essential in any sort of classroom. I urge my students (although I teach in Asia), to ask questions all the time. Although they’re not life-or-death as they are here, if you’re wondering about something, someone else is too.
If your life’s on the line, or even if you’re just paying for a class, get your money worth. Make that instructor earn their pay.
I think that is an excellent point. It can be hard to interrupt, slow things down. Get really hard when the only one asking questions - with some instructors and in all things. I think much like don't allow pressured to rush; don't let fear of looking stupid or just plain annoying get in the way of education.
It is most likely true someone else has the same question. (And I've always really appreciated someone taking the time to thank me for asking"that". 😜) At the very least people that already do know/remember the answer it is an opportunity for review and a little un-graded self-administered test 😆.
@@theredrover3217 Very true. And let’s face it, if questions weren’t supposed to be asked, you wouldn’t have an instructor there in the first place!
If an instructor doesn’t have time put aside for questions, then they’re in need of some classroom management instruction themselves.
As a non-diver I love all the commentary and facts you guys give, and really enjoy your interactions between each other!
Just a real quick big thank you to you both. Im not a diver, but I found the channel last week and have been enthralled and at 40 I'm inspired and am seriously getting the desire to take classes. What a gem this channel is. Thanks again guys, you deserve all the success you will inevitably attain.
It’s genuinely amazing!!!!
Pause all you want, make the videos long! We love it!!! I’ve been watching your videos for a while and they’re just so informative! So happy to have found you guys, and the awareness you spread is needed!
You guys have quickly become one of my favorite channels. Although I'm not a diver, your explanations and demonstrations make understanding the technical side easy. Thanks so much!
Absolutely heart wrenching video. Well done guys. Aside: don’t worry about the length of your videos the off the cuff nature of your dynamic feels like a podcast, so doing longer videos honestly is better IMO! You guys are great, love the content
Unknowingly started watching this on the exact 5 year anniversary of his death, May 20th 2023. Harrowing story, thank you for your insight on the situation ❤️
This is a great video! I've been certified since I was allowed to be with PADI, but I haven't been in the game for a few years. Y'all's ability to educate and breakdown these scenarios is exactly the thing that puts things back in to perspective. You guys are right, it is very important to not become over confident in your ability on any system. Keep up the great work!
Glad it was helpful!
Sir I’m a teenager and I’m claustrophobic and afraid of water and I will never probably would try diving but listening to all of your opinions and giving us knowledge about scuba diving safety and calling out false information is really important so I’m thankful sirs ☺️
I'm no re-breather expert, but at the end when the guy was talking about standards, I think he was talking more about uniformity amongst products/configurations rather than how well they preform and how well they are produced/manufactured. If a diver is using brand A and someone else is using brand B, they can both look at each-others equipment/config and see if anything major is problematic w/o being an expert on that brand.
When it comes to CCR (or rebreather) training everyone in the training class is diving the same unit. Because all rebreathers are different, the classes you take are specific to that rebreather. Additionally, when you go through the pre-dive checks the basics are essentially the same. When it comes to your ABC's, they're even the same for OC.
The fact that something was missed can happen, the fact that it wasn't spotted in ~15 minutes is the real cause of death. A diver should be checking his/her PO2 regularly. I suspect the camera and various other distractions (task loading) contributed to him not looking at his computer. I'm in Florida where the sun is strong as well, but there's always a way to see the computer screen.
I've never been a diver nor involved with anyone who was a diver. But when I started watching your videos, I haven't been able to watch anything else. Videos are so interesting and you guys are so awesome in the way you explain things. I never knew how much was involved in diving and its equipment. Thank you ❤
Yall have been really knocking the content out of the park lately!! I need the pandemic to end so I can go get certed!! The Sea Calls Me Name!!!
I’m a year late to this video but I love the thorough explanations, I love the experiments, it’s very respectfully done too, I am very impressed with your channel!
Woody suddenly appearing with his diving gear, goggles and all, made me smile. It's incredibly sad what happened to Brian. Listening to his wife broke my heart. Complacency kills.
I have a huge fear of cave diving, but I would give just about anything to learn to dive extreme depths in open water. I hope I get to learn before it's too late.
How deep is "extreme depths" for you? Open ocean can be much tougher than caves, but as long as you have the time/money.... the limits are pretty high (e.g. deep). What's your goal in going deep? Anyway, only wanted to post that it's very doable :)
Just discovered these guys today and I haven't been able to stop watching there videos. Amazing content
I’d like to point out that wetsuits keep you warm because the insulation comes from the neoprene rubber that the suits are made out of. The neoprene has closed gas bubbles that conduct heat slowly and there for insulate you. The water trapped by your wetsuit does insulate you like you said but this is minimal compared to it’s primary function. Super wide spread misconception about wetsuits
i absolutely love learning about anything and everything and the way you structure and make your videos is amazing! the pausing to add context is especially helpful, especially for those of us who have no clue how diving works. i don’t care how long the video is; it’s filled with such valuable information (that’s applicable to everyone). keep up the awesome work yall!
Case studies are such an immensely valuable tool for sewing the seeds of success. I've been flying since I was young and I'm pretty sure pilots would do it with, or without an FAA.
Thanks for sharing the story. Contrary to popular preaching, I'm not at all convinced the length is an issue....
Thanks for sharing!
Yeah I've never even dived (my dad was a master), but I watch all of the case studies because I want to know everything that could go wrong before I get into the water.
I just discovered your videos and I'm binge watching. You guys do such a good job explaining everything to a non-diver
After watching many of your reaction videos and learning a ton, a part of me wants to eventually attempt to take up diving with some classes.
I think a first step would be to learn how to swim though. That's probably important.
I've always had a fear of water that stemmed from being uncomfortable in it and never learning to swim or tread and I think that's a separate fear I'd have to overcome before I ever thought about diving.
That would be a great first step.
I think it’s an awesome plan! I completely understand feeling that fear of the unknown, but I also believe if we find the right place to learn (and instructors to learn from) that we can do just about anything.
I hope you take that first step! I completely understand the fear, but I love that you have the vision to see yourself diving someday and that you know what your first step would be, and that it’s a manageable step. That’s the kind of practicality and problem solving that goes into doing *anything* challenging, and you seem like the kind of person who actually makes things happen!
You're on the right path, I'm doing the same actually. I can swim but not very well and I had some fear to put my head under water without a mask.
I tried scuba diving years ago and I was hooked. But I had this problem in my way.
So now I started taking some aquaphobia classes, the first course made all my fears dissapear, I feel like a fish underwater, I'm so happy.
I can go train alone in the pool when my teacher isn't available.
TLDR,
You'll be much more comfortable and you'll enjoy your diving lessons much more if you take care of that first. Knowing how to swim is capital in scuba diving. I hope you'll find a nice and comprehensive instructor.
@@Narusasu98 One thing I would like to ask is how did you get over the uncomfortable feeling of water going up your nose without a mask? I eventually practiced until I could open my eyes underwater but could never really stop holding my nose when underwater.
I got certified not knowing how to swim. The instructor then met with me frequently and taught me how to swim. This was more than 20 years ago.
I just found this channel today from a Mr. Ballen video, and I feel like im learning so much already. Ive been binging vids for the past few hours, and although this video didnt seem to be very popular, it was very educational. Thanks for making these videos guys!
Great vid as always! Please do a video about a tribe that dives and fishes for over 13 minutes, I think is the Bajau tribe!!
Pausing 5 min in just to say there’s not many people on TH-cam that are gonna tell you “we know a lot of you aren’t gonna watch this long ass video” so you can tell it’s 100% about getting the information out there and for that I can’t give you guys enough respect I’m not a diver , I don’t know any divers, nor do I ever plan to become a diver. But I love what you guys do seriously
It's funny, whenever I see you have put out a long video I think to myself "heck yea, an hour plus of Gus and Woody!" Next thing I know the videos over -.- I think the videos are so full of information that I dont notice the time passing by. Keep hitting that pause button, I love it!
What I love about your channel is that I have no interest in diving BUT I love knowing stuff and now I know more about diving than most people so I can be clever and smartass for no reason :D I truly love knowing random stuff and this topic is very interesting to me :) And you two are so nice to watch because you seem like the type of people I love surround myself with
Knowing a little about.many different topics and skills makes us more interesting conversationalist. We can find common ground faster and avoid boring small talk .
Do t worry about the length of the video. This went by so fast because I was so engaged. Truly sad but I’m glad you can shed light on how re-breather divers can stay safe in the future.
Sometimes I look at video length with some channels I’m ‘put off’ but with yours I’m genuinely attracted to watch them as they just fly by, even rewinding back and forth if I miss something. As with this one it’s very interesting and the reactions from you both are excellent, making very good content.
Dudes.. we love your videos don’t worry how long or how many pauses happen. I just need more bananas
I ran across your videos and have been watching them regularly. They are sooooo interesting and informative. I am not a diver or a swimmer and never have been or do I intend to be but your videos are so interesting that I can't stop watching. I guess I will gain head knowledge rather than actual experience. By the way I am 81 years old. Keep up the excellent work.
My first time actually being up and close was with divers in Florida while fishing....I was bass fishing at the local river and after catching 3 or 4 bass and after constantly throwing in the jig close to a bridge piling I can see multiple alligators in a 100 meter distance to the left and right and they literally walked up and I talked to them a while about the gators and they said that gators don't mess with the divers but it was so cool seeing them...that was my first time ever actually seeing divers going in the water
Thank you guys for this video. I am a new diver who only just got advanced open water so I am no where near a re-breather course but this gave me more confidence to be a better open water diver and not supplant safety no matter how lax it seems. These are important lessons that even rec divers can take to heart to always have a checklist, and even the "easy" dives can be deadly. Keep up the great channel and I look forward to catching up on all your videos.
I really appreciate the physical demonstration I’m a very visual person and having you illustrate how long it would take to loose oxygen made me consider trying diving.
This is a tragic situation and I appreciate how compassionate you are while including a wealth of information.
Another great video guys!
Thats on a rebreather tho.
But do give it a try!! Ive used the "normal" regulatory set up. And didn't even take a course. Its a little nerve racking "forgetting" the whole "I can't breathe underwater" but when you do its pretty awesome. Im saving up to get certified now lol.
Never dived or had any desire to dive in my life , yet for some reason I keep watching all gus and woodys videos .
Whenever Dive Talk posts, I grab my 🍿 Tragic story, but informative. Your channel is awesome, thanks Gus and Woody
this is one of the most educational video ive ever seen . Your input and comments combined with your experience are absolutely priceless. I dont dive rebreather but ive learned a lot from this 80min. Its amazing how much we all learn from this channel. thank you for your time and wisdom .
Such a tragic incident. It's heartbreaking that the wife might be beating herself up about it - she was being supportive and did everything she could for her husband; she couldn't have known. Wanted to comment on checking your buddy, student(s) and fellow instructor(s) - I think no matter your level and years under the dive belt, so to speak, checking whether you have X equipment on and checking O2 levels prevents complacency. You developed those habits - to check everything - for a reason. I would rather question than assume. Sobering video, but I love listening to you two break it all down.
Thanks for the video guys. Really sad. I think this was one of your best videos.
you really have to have a degree of ocd to be a safe/good diver. situation awareness is critical. that means everyone, not just yourself. you guys are great about that. thank you for 'Dive Talk' and sharing your knowledge and experience. take care, stay safe!
"I don't know about you, but I feel like all my pressures - money, job, life, family issues - all those pressures go away while I'm diving."
I've never dove, but I know that feeling. I'm a coaster enthusiast, and while it's not like diving, I know the feeling you're describing here. I feel nothing but bliss, calm, and a rush of adrenaline when I'm in that coaster train and have gone over that first drop or launched into the run, soaring through the air, at the mercy of gravity and speed, wind rushing against my face. I feel like I'm present, perfectly in the moment, able to breathe again. Everything else is just gone, all the stress and pain of the world is gone. In those maybe 1-2 minutes of riding that ride, I'm just purely enjoying happiness and joy in the most intense and harmonious of ways. I'm alive, truly alive, and happy to be alive.
When you have a hobby or an interest that involves exploring things that are not the typical human experience, when you're into a sport or an extreme thrill or an activity like Diving, you go into another world and become someone else. Everything gets left at the loading station, or at the surface, or in the plane, or off field. The second you step over that threshold and into that other world, you have shed your skin and you're experiencing renewal.
I thought your statements there are really something a lot of us can relate to. Thanks :)
Love your content. Your comment on complacency and distraction is spot on. The use of checklists can never be drilled enough be it Diving or Flying as well as other high task environments. Not diving related but topic underscore - Northwest Flight 255 is a great example of a high hour experienced crew (captain had 20K hours) got distracted and missed their taxi checklist. The flight crashed on takeoff in Detroit killing 150 people because the aircraft was never configured for takeoff (flaps). New viewer but ditto from me on the longer vid's.
Y'all's videos are about the only ones I can sit and watch without losing interest keep up good work .
You guys do such a great job, I love watching and learning from you both! Definitely a sad situation but much to learn from this. RIP Brian 🙏♥️