NETHERLAND DUTCH & BELGIAN DUTCH (FLEMISH)

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    Standard Netherland Dutch is the official language of the Netherlands and serves as the standard form of Dutch used in government, education, and media across the country. It is spoken by around 17 million people and is part of the West Germanic branch of the Indo-European language family. While it shares the same linguistic roots as Belgian Dutch (Flemish), Standard Netherland Dutch has its own distinct accent, vocabulary, and usage patterns influenced by the culture and history of the Netherlands.
    Flemish Dutch, often referred to as "Flemish" or Vlaams, is a variety of Dutch spoken in Flanders, the northern region of Belgium. It differs from the standard Dutch spoken in the Netherlands through pronunciation, vocabulary, and some grammatical nuances. Tussentaal (meaning "in-between language") is an informal, colloquial dialect that blends aspects of standard Dutch with local Flemish dialects, creating a widely understood spoken form used in casual settings, media, and social interactions. It serves as a bridge between the more formal Standard Dutch (used in writing and official communications) and the many regional dialects of Flemish. While Tussentaal lacks official status, it is a significant and dynamic part of everyday communication in Flanders.
    The most distinctive sound differences between Standard Netherland Dutch and Standard Belgian Dutch (Flemish) lie in vowel quality, intonation, and consonant pronunciation. Netherland Dutch typically features shorter, crisper vowels and a flat, direct intonation, with guttural "r," "g," and "ch" sounds, similar to German. In contrast, Flemish has longer, softer vowels, a more melodious and sing-song intonation, and a softer "r" that is often rolled. Diphthongs like "au" and "ou" are smoother in Flemish, while Netherland Dutch emphasizes them strongly. Additionally, Flemish speech often reduces or drops schwas and uses the glottal stop more frequently, creating a rhythmic, fluid quality distinct from the precise, clipped nature of Netherland Dutch.
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  • @yogasapoetra
    @yogasapoetra 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +76

    Dutch vs flemish vs afrikaans vs surinamese dutch

    • @hlindner75
      @hlindner75 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      That would be interesting. Greetings from Namibia. Hier praat ons Afrikaans.

    • @RichardHoogstad
      @RichardHoogstad วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      In that case maybe also include Caribbean Dutch? Meaning,st Maarten, Curaçao, Aruba, Bonaire, st Eustatius. Pick one I guess

  • @alexBumann
    @alexBumann 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    Flemish and West Flemish is more close to old Dutch than the Dutch itself 🤯

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes, Flemish was never updated like "Dutch" as we have been occupied by Spain, Austria, France and even The Netherlands.,

    • @Eugensson
      @Eugensson 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Well Flemish preserves some older features in certain parts (like vowels). The Hollands Dutch may preserve other things.

  • @winifsan3873
    @winifsan3873 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    There's also a distinct "variety" of Flemish in Belgium, which is the one learned and spoken by native Walloons. It mostly differs in pronunciation (heavily French/Walloon inflenced) and by overusage of Dutchified French loanwords and verbs. For example they pronounce W's like in English and the R's like French.

    • @sorbetcitron8198
      @sorbetcitron8198 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's not a variety. That's just a French accent. It is not official. We pronounce like this bc it's not our native language and learn it at school. I'm Walloon but roll my Rs and don't pronounce my Ws like in English

    • @agrich024
      @agrich024 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think you meant the Flemish spoken in Brussels and Brabant. It’s not really spoken by the Walloons but rather by the native Flemish and Brusselian Dutch speakers. As a side note you can check the local Flemish dialect of Brussels, the Brusseleir. It has the same characteristics that you’ve mentioned. Although endangered, it is still spoken by the elderly native Flemish speakers of Brussels :))

  • @kazekokonaya1220
    @kazekokonaya1220 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I like the way Flemish sounds more than Netherlands Dutch. I wanna learn Flemish someday.

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I am Flemish and prefer "Vlaams" cause the language is a lot softer spoken than "Dutch". It also shows the mindset of Flemish people : Quiet and Reserved. You can't learn Flemish as such, you need to learn "Nederlands" and afterwards stay some time in Flandres.

  • @Davlavi
    @Davlavi 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great video duo thanks for sharing.

  • @Phoenix7998.
    @Phoenix7998. 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    it's so funny that it's basically the same thing

    • @dionisiodussart5629
      @dionisiodussart5629 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      It IS the same thing. This video just shows accents, while talking dutch. It doesn't describe the flemish dialects.

    • @boink800
      @boink800 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Are the Irish accents and the Scottish accents in English the "same" thing?

  • @BrandonLack
    @BrandonLack 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "Three things are not attained: youth by means of dye, wealth by means of desire, and knowledge by means of mere pretense."

  • @AKockasfuluNyulwastaken
    @AKockasfuluNyulwastaken 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Belgian accent sounds better.

    • @dionisiodussart5629
      @dionisiodussart5629 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      No .....
      Big mistake, to think they have a french accent. It's the french who have a flemish accent. The franks, who created France, were a germanic tribe that came from current Belgium. That's why french doesn't sound latin.

    • @AKockasfuluNyulwastaken
      @AKockasfuluNyulwastaken 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      edited

  • @pakaso777
    @pakaso777 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Very interesting to learn the differences between this two dialects!

  • @carolus5409
    @carolus5409 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Flemish sounds much more "pure German" than Dutch to me

    • @Deelom100
      @Deelom100 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It is, the pronounces of the g is soft like German. The Dutch adapted the Hollandic dialect and forced other people to speak this too. That's why other dialects are dying in The Netherlands

  • @BrandonLack
    @BrandonLack 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    “Thou hast sufficient fortune in eloquence, to speak that thou mayest be understood, and to describe that thou mayest be concise.”

    • @arthurmoran4951
      @arthurmoran4951 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      tú has suficiente fortuna en elocuencia, para hablar que tu manera sea entendida, y para describir que tu manera sea concisa

  • @sergiobaauw
    @sergiobaauw 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Sorry, but most "Flemish" options in this video can be heared in the Netherlands too. I don't think these two oposite lists make any sense.

    • @JeeWeeD
      @JeeWeeD วันที่ผ่านมา

      They don't: some of the Dutch options are also ... let us say a little strange and in some cases plainly incorrect.

  • @MrEvers
    @MrEvers 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    The map you are showing is a completely made up alternate history map of some sort

  • @bintangbenua
    @bintangbenua 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    My Grandmother collonial language. And the first language of some my football national players😂😂😂

    • @bintangbenua
      @bintangbenua 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@riazedn4728 Because I'm not Surinamese, but I'm Indonesian. We Indonesian only learn English as second language. Indonesian is first language and regional language is third language

    • @黒君-s3r
      @黒君-s3r วันที่ผ่านมา

      "Colonial language" have some respect for this great country.

  • @allgrayxyz
    @allgrayxyz 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Much closer to each other than the Walloon are to the French

    • @libertas6884
      @libertas6884 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      maybe because flemish isn't a language. Walloon is a language.

    • @allgrayxyz
      @allgrayxyz 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@libertas6884 I Know

    • @sorbetcitron8198
      @sorbetcitron8198 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      The French spoken in Wallonia is basically the same as the one spoken in France except for the numbers and some school related vocab

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Walloon is a dialect and even though I know the French language, Walloon is difficult to understand.

    • @Bexchoklad
      @Bexchoklad 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There is a walloon dialect of French and separate Walloon language.

  • @kauemoura
    @kauemoura 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    In Belgium it sounds almost pretty.

  • @Phoenix7998.
    @Phoenix7998. 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    is there a video already of French & Walloon?

  • @Deelom100
    @Deelom100 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Flemish speaker must be from somewhere in Flemish-Brabant or the province of Antwerp

  • @VAhhhh98
    @VAhhhh98 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Love from Indonesia 🇮🇩

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Kamu juga.

  • @msb8792
    @msb8792 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Flemish sounds way way nicer

  • @NiallCummings
    @NiallCummings 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Does Flemish include language spoken in France, typically between Lille and Dunkirk?

    • @sebastienmossoux5919
      @sebastienmossoux5919 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      It sort of does. They speak West Flemish there, which can be considered its own language 😛

    • @NiallCummings
      @NiallCummings 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@sebastienmossoux5919 thanks for clarifying. These French Flemings should not be forgotten.

    • @tchop6839
      @tchop6839 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@NiallCummingsThese cities are majority Chti, although Dunkirk has a Flemish past and still has a large Flemish minority. Flemish people are a majority in a small area between these cities, around the Hazebroek area. Unfortunately, both Chti and Flemish are dying languages, and most Flemish and Chti people in France speak only French (I myself come from that area and am mixed Flemish-Chti, but my family speak almost exclusively French and no Flemish at all).
      It’s worth noting that there’s a difference between Flemish as a language, and Flemish as a dialect of Dutch. The Flemish language (Vloams) is a sister language of Dutch spoken in western Flanders and French Flanders, while the Flemish dialect of Dutch is what we heard in the video, and comes from the Brabants region Flanders and the Netherlands. This dialect is unfortunately replacing Vloams in western Flanders, and Limburgish language in Belgian Limburg

    • @sebastienmossoux5919
      @sebastienmossoux5919 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@NiallCummings No indeed. They are like brothers from another mother(land) 😂

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They are, The region used to be part of the West-Flandres region until 1667. It became part of France. Initially France forced everyone to speak only French but some older people still speak the West Flandres dialect from that time. There is even a small revival of that dialect as it is dying out. You can also still see some small towns having a Flemish name.

  • @BambolaSgarbie
    @BambolaSgarbie วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Flemish has more soft sounds. The G and Ch in Dutch are too strong.

  • @dionisiodussart5629
    @dionisiodussart5629 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "Flemish" is here the named given to the belgian way of pronouncing their official dutch language. Actually, like in switzerland, very distinct dialects are spoken even by young educated people, and that's what we call vlaams (flemish). They can be impossible to understand between one another. Speaking dutch, or even speaking french, is then what they do.

    • @Andreyas-ou7fq
      @Andreyas-ou7fq 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That's actually not completly true. I am a person from West-Flanders(in Flanders we speak dutch so you can't reallly call yourself a Flemish speaker.) And I understand almost everything Dutch. It's the same in the other way but if people are from example from far away it can be a little bit more difficult to understand us but I also sometimes mumble a bit.

  • @Malegys
    @Malegys 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    & now West Frisian & West Flemish 😀

  • @timothytruter
    @timothytruter 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It seems Belgian Dutch is closer to Afrikaans than Netherlandic Dutch is. 🤔

    • @Deelom100
      @Deelom100 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Don't forget that the VOC existed thanks to Flemish people. We made Leiden (city) big due to immigration and this is where the wealth in The Netherlands started.

    • @timothytruter
      @timothytruter วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Deelom100 Oh I see, that makes sense, thanks.

    • @Monkeyamingus777
      @Monkeyamingus777 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​​​​@@Deelom100 dat betekent niet dat jullie het hebben opgericht
      Johan van Oldenbarnevelt heeft de Voc opgericht in Middelburg in het jaar 1602
      Vlaamse was nog niet eens een ding in die tijd
      De imigranten van wat nu België is
      Hebben wel arbeids werk gedaan voor de Voc

    • @Monkeyamingus777
      @Monkeyamingus777 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@timothytruterhes spewing false information
      The VOC started in Middelburg around the year 1602
      And the man that started the company was Johan
      Oldenbarnevelt

  • @gialinh4749
    @gialinh4749 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Do French vs Belgian French please?

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Belgian French doesn't exists. It's French. Check out the video about "Walloon vs. French".

    • @hirsch4155
      @hirsch4155 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pvisityou’re wrong, it exists just in the same way US English exists. Are you ok?
      And by way the practically no one speaks Walloon anymore.

  • @r.r.f.kalkhoven
    @r.r.f.kalkhoven 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It is quite difficult to define standard Dutch, since ABN (Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands) is gradually making way for Poldernederlands. The Dutch in the story about the wren is not ABN either, but influenced by (wild guess) South-Holland dialect.

  • @The_Rising_Sun-No.1
    @The_Rising_Sun-No.1 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Are Dutch in Belgium and Dutch in Holland the same? If they are can both Dutch speakers understand each other?

    • @levibillyattley9906
      @levibillyattley9906 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      yes.

    • @boink800
      @boink800 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes, they can understand each other but there's a big different in accents.

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They can understand each other if they use the standard language as it is learned in both countries. It is exactly the same as everywhere in the world. A country is using several dialects and the rulers decide to make a general language to be able to talk all over the country. The most extreme example of this is Indonesia.

  • @radeknelmannCZ
    @radeknelmannCZ 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Proste dobre

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Inderdaad.

  • @pharmacist5884
    @pharmacist5884 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Belgian Dutch (Flemish)is heavily influenced by French in terms of loanwords and synthax, whereas Dutch Dutch (Netherlands) is more influenced by German and most recently by English loanwords and synthax.

    • @alexBumann
      @alexBumann 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Influenced yes but still more close to old Dutch than Dutch

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If that is the case, why the hell do the Dutch Dutch use the word "Jus d'orange" for orange juice ?

    • @pharmacist5884
      @pharmacist5884 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pvisit exceptions do exist. But generally Flemish Dutch has alot more french loanwords compared to Dutch Dutch. I think that exception is so iconic that Dutch tourists are sometimes ridicoulsy asking for "Jus d'orange"of apples....On the other hand Flemish tourists asking for fruitsap (fruit juice): dutch people will ask from which fruit you want to have juice: oranges, peaches, apples, pineapple....

    • @Ama94947
      @Ama94947 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I actually think that Belgium Dutch has more English influences. like they use words like Job, Jeans and so on. nowadays it seems like people want to keep the Dutch language in The Netherlands pure Dutch, I actually think that the trend of English loanwords arent that relevant anymore than it was before in the 2000s. French loanwords are more normal in Belgium/Flemish while in The Netherlands they sound posh or even old fashion to use too much.

  • @gialinh4749
    @gialinh4749 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do German vs Austrian German please? Not Bavarian

  • @riazedn4728
    @riazedn4728 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Er zijj 3 varianten van het Nederlands 2 in Europa. Dus het Nederlands van Nederland en België. En Zuid Amerikaans (Caribisch Nederlands). Dus Suriname

  • @Aleksssssssss
    @Aleksssssssss 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Don’t Belgians say neen?

  • @joseg.solano1891
    @joseg.solano1891 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    British English dialects compared in one video, please

  • @CommentGuy94
    @CommentGuy94 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    That map is so far from accurate it's sad

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly. I wonder who made this. Probably a Walloon living Brussels? 😄 Why ? Brussels is integrated in Wallonia and everything is marked in French/Dutch.

  • @torrawel
    @torrawel 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wat een nonzens dit. Het echte Vlaams is een dialect van het Nederlands. Het Nederlands wordt gesproken in België, Nederland en Suriname.
    De standaardtaal in Nederland en België is vrijwel gelijk (wat deze video ook bewijst). De officiële namen zijn noord-nederlands & Zuid-Nederlands.
    De reden dat men de standaardtaal in België ook Vlaams noemt, is omdat het gebied Vlaanderen heet.
    Vergelijk het met québécois... Dat is Frans en geen aparte taal. Het heet enkel zo omdat de regio Québec heet.
    Dit is dus geen video over een taalvergelijking tussen 2 verschillende talen.
    Voor het Vlaams dialect (oost&west), zie bv Wikipedia.

  • @Jotun184
    @Jotun184 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    wa is me da hier

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      k'zout ni wete.

  • @gialinh4749
    @gialinh4749 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do german vs swiss german not Lucerne

  • @MrAllmightyCornholioz
    @MrAllmightyCornholioz วันที่ผ่านมา

    Flemish = Belgian Dutch

  • @Girl_Of_Renaissance3119
    @Girl_Of_Renaissance3119 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    what about Bosniak dutch 🇧🇦🇳🇱 !?

  • @Henk-e8c
    @Henk-e8c วันที่ผ่านมา

    Netherlands Dutch is an attack to your ears.

  • @SKITNICA95
    @SKITNICA95 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dutch G and R are pronounced like guttural H.

    • @ImaginatorJoren
      @ImaginatorJoren 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Like old English letter yogh?

    • @pvisit
      @pvisit 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Don't think so. Some examples please.

  • @quinob
    @quinob 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First one here 😁

  • @mikhailomanzik9524
    @mikhailomanzik9524 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    2:43 swearing 💀

  • @haraldtorsten8746
    @haraldtorsten8746 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What a mistake. “Flemish” does not exist. Belgium uses and speaks Standard Dutch. Dialects in Belgium are not unified just like in the Netherlands.

    • @joeri49
      @joeri49 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ever wondered why the accents in Flemish TV shows are different and often contain traits that are specific to Belgium Dutch dialects? There is something called in-between language, an unofficial variety of Dutch, which is used in daily official communication and media. You could refer to that variety as "Flemish" when you mean the language used in the whole Flemish region, not to confuse with actual Flemish dialects spoken in the East and West Flanders provinces.

  • @suevialania
    @suevialania 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Frisian language is not nieder Deutsche!

  • @pipatultrainstinct6046
    @pipatultrainstinct6046 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Can Dutch people communicate with Belgians?

    • @boink800
      @boink800 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yes, it's no problem. It's just two different accents.

    • @sheikh_goku
      @sheikh_goku 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Of course, it's still the same language after all.

    • @Ama94947
      @Ama94947 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      yes, It's both Dutch language actually. the difference is that flemish side of Belgium has another standard Dutch dialect than they use in The Netherlands. but even in Flanders/Limburg(Dutch & Belgian sides) they have different accents who are very different, and in The Netherlands as well, except that they have a province(Friesland) with their own language called Frisian.

    • @mcfly2410
      @mcfly2410 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Not all Belgians can easily communicate with Dutch speakers, as Belgium has three official languages: Dutch, French, and German. Most Wallonians speak French and often have limited proficiency in Dutch, making communication challenging. In contrast, Flemish people, who speak Dutch, generally have an easier time with other languages, including French and English. This linguistic divide highlights Belgium's regional language differences.

    • @dionisiodussart5629
      @dionisiodussart5629 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Keep in mind that Dutch is in Belgium one of three official languages. Beside, it's an artificial country (didn't exist before 1830) where there's less and less unity.

  • @Gotsyn
    @Gotsyn 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Flemish sounds better with the rolled Rs than Dutch’s American Rs. Sounds too funny

    • @angreagach
      @angreagach 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It's a matter of taste.

    • @kimashitawa8113
      @kimashitawa8113 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      The american r's are pretty recent and only really in the west of the Netherlands
      I would rather call it "Hollandic" together with the over the top "g"

    • @BobWitlox
      @BobWitlox 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Pronuncation of R and G vary throughout the Netherlands. Not everyone has this American R. I'm from the South of the Netherlands, I roll my Rs, but not as emphasized as in Flemish. Also my G is closer to the Flemish version, but not as soft.

    • @Gotsyn
      @Gotsyn 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@BobWitlox Is there a reason why people in the west speak with “american R’s”? Is it even because of US cultural hegemony or just a quirky shift in pronunciation?

    • @kimashitawa8113
      @kimashitawa8113 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Gotsyn I think it's the first. I mean just look at Amsterdam and around. They all hear and speak English.