Hey man I have been using this calculator even in 2021, but I was hoping maybe we can make a updated version? Simple calculations seems to go over the limit when the complex ones fall in line, also a way to input mutiple mice to cecck and save would be awesome! Maybe a database of mice measurements. If you can get back to me that be awesome I’d love to know the math of this.
You guys should really come up with a database of mouse measurements so that gamers can plug their own measurements in and find a list of mice that would work well for them. It wouldn't be a bad way to advertise your services, either ;-)
@@Preyge yea but that accounts for full hand height and and hand width not just palm like this shows i would go out on a limb and say this is way more accurate
Hi, I think the concept of this video and calculator are amazing. Regardless of the "model" of a mouse a person would be interested in having an actual guideline of sizes is great. Nevertheless, would you consider doing an updated video? One in which you SHOW US how to make the measurements? Are we supposed to measure BEFORE the wrist wrinkles? Across the palm? (Cause you do mention from the base of the pinky to the base of the thumb). I'm sure a video like that would not take that much time to make and I can guarantee it would help a lot of people, myself included.
I'm having a hell of a time finding a mouse for my short, wide hands. I'm not understanding where to measure the palm height. Your diagram is stopping short of the spot where the palm meets the wrist, but I don't know if this is where the muscles end or not. More help with the measuring would be helpful.
Hi Nathan! Hopefully I can help you here - the measurement is intentional to be at the base of the palm to the base of the fingers. While there are intrinsic muscles (smaller ones in the hand which start at the base of the palm or in between the hand bones) many of the muscles we use to control our fingers with the mouse are located in the forearm. Regardless of location the measurement is designed to consider the palm arches so these muscles will be at their optimized lengths when matches to the measurements of the mice. So the intent is to use the measurements as is to help you find the appropriate mouse. The other thing to keep in mind is that even if it is slightly outside of the range, that is OK. Ultimately this is just one piece of the pie as it relates to your health. Things like your schedule, general conditioning and habits around gaming have larger contributions to your health than the decision of what mouse you are going to use. Choose what you want in terms of performance and as close to within the optimal range as possible :)
@@1HP Thank you for responding. I'm still not quite sure where to measure and what would be considered the palm arches, but I understand the stuff about it not needing to be exact. I am more just wondering and trying to confirm what I am feeling in terms of mice that I have used. depending on where I measure, my palm length varies greatly from 95 - 105. When I saw your examples at 90 and 95, it made me question, as my hands are not large (long) at 180mm from palm base to middle fingertip. width is 81mm Most medium mice feel too long for me, but small mice feel to thin. I have no less than 5 mice on my desk right now as I kind of went crazy and bought a few to try them out. I didn't realize that there can really be such a thing as too small. Model O-, CM MM711, Model D-, Viper Ult. Wireless, and the one I've been using for 2 years that has malfunctioned, the G Pro Wireless. I like the Model O the best at first impression, but can tell it's extremely small (thin). The MM711 feels good for aiming but seems less comfortable than Model O-. The D- minus is very comfortable, but not great for aiming due to the fact that it seems to really want me to palm or claw it. The G Pro has never been my favorite shape as it feels like gripping an egg, and now it feels to heavy. I guess my dilemma is that I can't tell if the small ones will be less comfortable in the long run than the the other two heavier ones.
@@blockaderunner Yes, I think I am going to grab that if only for work, as I am experiencing much pain with most mice. I just returned a D- because it comfortable but clunky for gaming. I wish I hadn't.
@@nathanwhite617 I can feel your pain. I have short hands but my hands are wide 18x10cm I got a viper mini, lengthwise it was good the weight was nice too but defiantly too thin my hands were wide and got under the mouse and it pinched my hand. I was almost gonna order the D- cos it looked good, wide and isn’t that big like the death adder or razor mamba but you said it was too clunky. I’m really lost on what to get because I can’t play with my current viper mini and rly need a good mouse. I’m very sorry for my bad grammar, English isn’t my first language.
I bought the model d and checked and I got a 2.00 on simple and complex height 1.241 complex width 1.34 so I think I am happy that I got this mouse Also I am doing Minecraft pvp that’s y I got the glorious model d
Tbh i think generally length matters the least. Height only matters foe claw and palm and generally thats more of a hump shape plus max hump height issue. The only one that matters in all grips and in terms of muscle overuse/control is mouse width around the areas that your fingers actually grip. And at both id say a mouse to hand ratio of 0.6 is generally optimal. But i would add a bit more leeway for the pinky mouse width as people use different angles of the finger and have different contact points. Some prefer a inner side contact very similar to the ring finger and some prefer a larger angle and contact closer to the fingertip. All in all mouse width at the ring finger area of 0.55 to 0.65 x hand width should be very comfy and 0.55-0.725 should be comfy. The closer to 0.6 and 0.633 the better imo. Try it and i bet your current preferred mouse fits these measurements most closely. Obviously allow for variances if you have specific non conventional grip/ contact locations and use common sense regarding whether your ideal ratio would be larger or smaller based on them.
Thank you so much for posting this. I'm not a gamer but my work has me constantly click, dragging across dual monitors close to 40hr/week and the wrist pain is creeping in. Just ordered a new mouse with close to the golden ratios for my tiny Asian girl hands (80/70)
i have the same measurements with you! I would love to know what mouse you got though its already been almost a year since you've commented this. I also work with lots of clicking and dragging (graphic design) and no mouse have not given me carpal tunnel issues
Not all mice have a fixed width. My mouse logitech G300s width is large near the wrist and much thinner under buttons. Ratios are almost perfect, but it is not comfortable and I had carpal injuries from it.
This is an amazing guide and I've been following these steps for my mouse selection over the past months! I am performing at optimal level (or atleast that's what i like to think) and am looking to improve more but I am curious with some questions. Regarding grip width, most mouses are measured by the total width size but doesn't state the specific grip width (the part which most people grip the sides of their mouses because it goes inwards), so is it in theory better to calculate with grip width or just general mouse width?
Was hoping my sub would get you to 10k. Thanks for the advice, I've been using mice wrong for 26 years. I'm on the hunt for a gaming mouse that isn't comically small in my hands.
G Pro Wireless. Slightly to small. Not sure which one to get next, should be wireless though. : ) Zowie Fk1 wireless where are you? ... Simple: Hand to Mouse Ratio: 1.70 Complex: Height Ratio: 1.213 Complex: Width Ratio: 1.18 Thanks for the guide!
You should probably make the calculator highlight the answers with red/green background. so I know if it's the right fit or is it not. Or show the ideal numbers next to the results. Just a suggestion to make it more user friendly.
No wonder my hand hurts. 8.13 simple, 0.396 complex height 1.41 complex width on G502 For reference, i have monster hands (115mm height x 106mm width) Any mice recommendations?
1.8 is within the range but is close to the mouse being considered "too big" and vice versa for 2.5 "too small" which lead to the respective compensations at 2:26
@@1HP why does my hand hurt more with the gpro wireless, even though it's technically as close to the golden ratio for my hand as possible? I have a razer deathadder v2 and it's outside of the ratios, but hurts my hand less
My hand size 18.5 cm and 87.5 cm using as palm girip and not like ergo. Razer Deathadder V3 Pro mouse used and width, height are big for me. Which mouse will fit? Do you any suggestions?
hey, i got 2.49 in the simple calculation and 1.482 in complex height / 1.42 in complex width.. mouse I was using for reference was the g pro superlight, does it fit or not ? since when I look at the complex calculations it fits but for the simple one it doesnt? im confused
According to your complex ratio, my basilisk v2 is too wide for my hands. Yet I feel close to constant strain in my pinky and ring finger muscles which you said happen when the mouse is too small. Could there be a margin of error for the length of someone's fingers? I have longer fingers that tend to hang over the side of the mouse
Thanks - I was wondering if the model o was too big or I just wasnt used to hit, calculator says it should be perfect so ill just keep practicing with it
Sir, I did not understand your video very well. Maybe because my English is not good. Here are my measurements, what should I do? Should I switch to a smaller mouse? Simple: Hand to Mouse Ratio: 2.41 Complex: Height Ratio: 1.486 Complex: Width Ratio: 1.38
Hi, Can anyone recommend a mouse for me? Palm height: 92.8mm & Palm width: 80.1mm So far only the Logitech G305 fits within the optimal range but I prefer an ergonomic design than ambidextrous. Thanks in advance for the help!
bro i felt like my mouse was way too small cuz i always get problems with my pinky finger starting to hurt but after i watched your vid i think ill have to keep it bc every mouse i was thinking about getting you tested and they are even smaller idk what to do
What excactly says the calculator about your mice/hand combination? Is your hand to big? My hand regarding 1hp's measurement is 105mm height and 95mm width. So at home i have a Razer DeathAdder Elite which barely fits regarding the calculator but seems to work fine for me even after hours. At work i have a Logitech G518(but more than 10yrs old) which fits fine but i have the feeling its a bit heavy. I looked up some mice from Razer and Logitech and regarding the calculator most Razer mice are not for me. But the Logitech G402 and G502 seem to be best fitting for my hand size. There seem to be much more mice for smaller/normal hands.
Hello, my simple and complex width are in golden ratio but missing a bit to fit in complex height 1.163 would you still recommend me to use it? It's ergonomic mouse and im using palm grip. Thank you. Ur amazing :)
My hand is 18x10cm (Palm grip) Is it small or medium? I used DAV3 , EC2-CW , Superlight , Origin One X , MM731 I kinda like MM731 Want an ergo DAV3 is big af
My problem is i have a big palm but also have long fingers, so my mouse is actually in optimal range according to the calculator but it still feels really uncomfortable for my hands unless im grabbing the mouse from the ends. should i just find a mouse that is longer than mine?
Was looking to upgrade to the new g303 shroud edition but my current Hati S is apparently 2.09 simple calculation and 1.300 / 1.31 complex. while the g303 is 1.81 / 1.213 / 1.26... That's just within range so i should be ok?
unfortunately for "small hands" like me.. finding a comfortable mouse IS VERY VERY HARD it seems that manufacturer is racing to make biger and bigger mouse 5 years ago 100mm length is common.. but today.. its hard to get even 120mm.. it all goes up to 140 mm.. WTF??! bring back those small and short mice !
@@Safsal that’s what I prefer too I would recommend model D, Ultra custom ergo and the death adder doesn’t matter which variant. I have used these all and I can highly recommend them
actually a good point here, was using my best mouse for the test. used mouse width on the calc and wasnt optimal, changed to grip width and the calc is optimal af. ppl should rly use grip width.
Is it possible that the simple calculation falls out of range but the complex calculation is almost exactly golden ratio? For me it was 2.28 simple and 1.405 and 1.40 for complex
i’ve 115mm height and 100 width (20cm x 10cm in total) and according to your site i can’t use any mouse also the deathadder is out of range in simple calculations and also near to out in complex calculations have you some mouse to advise? e.e
Hey Rosso - these are general ranges that reflect potential risk if you fall outside of the ranges. While your hands are definitely larger than most it may result in your using a claw grip over a palm to allow for better control of the mouse. Ultimately I would still choose a mouse you are interested in but just understand the underlying potential for increased stress due to the mismatch in sizing. Some of this can be accounted for with grip but in general think of the bigger picture (conditioning, scheduling >>>>>> ergonomics and mouse choice when it comes to injuries)
@@1HP thanks for the reply currently i am adopting to the mouse i have (i had gpw,razer viper ultimate,razer deathadder v2) and i have the same perfomance with all of them also the comfort is the same because i use a fingergrip/claw hybrid so doesn't matter how big or small is it the mouse ,just for say i can't palm completely anyone of them comfortly just the deathadder a little bit. my problem is the tracking because i wanna use the pinky streight as anyone as stabilizer idk how to explain, instead currently i'm using it curved into the back of the mouse lol (claw style)
@@1HP i’m really sad cause i’m a lefty and i have huge hands and can’t find a single mouse near my hand range, but i’ll take your advice and just get one and hope it works. I was using the viper ultimate before and i literally couldn’t grip it so hopefully a new one will work better
Hey Vox - I wrote this below but yep it is definitely okay. Think of the range as a GUIDE. if you are within the range there will be less overall stress on the hand. As you move further away from the optimal range you are only very slightly increasing stress on your wrist/hand. In the bigger picture - the ergonomics associated with the mouse is only a small percentage of your overall health. Stretching regularly and working on the conditioning of your wrist will ensure you can use whatever mouse you want
Im a bit confused. I've narrowed down my search between the viper ultimate and the viper mini and the DeathAdder V2 Mini. The Viper Ultimate has a simple score of exactly 2.00 which is supposed to be perfect but its complex is 1.274 height and 1.36 width. The Viper Mini has a simple score of 2.39 which is way too much but its Complex is way better than the Ultimate because it's 1.352 Height and 1.48 Width. The DeathAdder V2 mini has a simple of 2.36 which again is too high, but an almost perfect set of complex scores of 1.383 height and 1.42 width. Which do you think I should pick? it seems like the death adder v2 has the best complex scores but the Viper Ultimate has a perfect simple score. And the Viper Mini has a much better complex to the viper ultimate but the simple is way off. I'm pretty confused as to which to focus more on and what is most important. Sorry for the paragraph. I just want some good advice as to which would be best. I mainly use Claw grip with sometimes using a sorta lazy palm in between claw and palm.
Fuck. Simple: Hand to Mouse Ratio: 2.20 Complex: Height Ratio: 0.737 Complex: Width Ratio: 1.31 I have huge hands (XXL), and Ive loved my G403 but have always known it was too small. Ive had wrist and forearm pain lately when adjusting my desk height setup (a lot of clicking all day, especially from League), but realized that I probably strain my hand a lot with how small the mouse is in my hand. I guess it would be worth going for something bigger like the G502.
Is it fine if the simple calculation is 7 hundredths out of range? The hand to mouse ratio for me is 2.22 for the mouse I want to get, and its only a tiny bit out of range. I don't want to switch mouse or find a different mouse because I've been wanting to get this mouse for so long and I don't want to change it because of a measurement. Is it really that big of a deal if my measurements are only a tiny bit out of range?
Really great question - yes it is 100% okay to use the mouse that you want. As you move further away from the optimal range you are only very slightly increasing stress on your wrist/hand. In the bigger picture - the ergonomics associated with the mouse is only a small percentage of your overall health. Stretching regularly and working on the conditioning of your wrist will ensure you can use whatever mouse you want
im looking at getting the razer viper mini and for my simple calculation it's a 2.43 but for the complex height its a 1.433 and width is 1.42?? does this mean its good for my hand? i'm confused as to why the simple one is so high seeing as those 2 are so close to being perfect
Hey I have one question about Model O and Model D Ambidex vs Ergo 2.31 1.437, 1.34 (Model D) 2.31 1.478, 1.34 (Model O) I got those results, which are very close, I use fingertip mostly and I wanted to see what is your opinion on ambidex vs ergo mices? I am also considering logitech lightweight and viper ultimate...but a lot of people tell me to get viper mini because of fingertiping - hand size is 185-190mm height, 110mm palm height, 90-100mm palm width
So, you bought or tested one, I have the same grip as you and pretty much the same hand size but it's pretty hard to find a mouse that gets a good ratio, i`m using a viper mini but that tiny mouse really put a stress in my fingers
@@SrBigulim I got model O...after g502 it felt so mucb lighter, I really like it, but the shape feels smaller. I just have an issue with a squeaky right click, so I will return it for exchange or just refund Afterwards I'll buy model D to try out probably if I can return the O. I have wireless, but since it's for my dekstop pc only, I might just get wired version...the wire is soooo lightweight that you don't feel it at all But yeah I wish I knew how the model D feels, it does have more hump and height, which I think might be better, but I can't say just yet I was thinking about getting viper mini, but I think it will be too small I did couple other tests and got razer orochi v2 as the shape for me...
@@axiosw0774 Yea, I'm thinking about getting a Model D, or the Deathadder V2 just for the size, actually I've used a deathadder 2013 and the g403 but I can only remember having pain in my wrist ( More exactly in the ulnar bone) when I picked up an ambi mice!
@@SrBigulim I'd say don't pick up a heavy mouse, trust me the lightness is a hugeeeee difference, deathadder is heavy I was thinking about getting g403 too...I still wanna try that, but to be honest for me it's easier - if a mouse has no usb C in 2021 I don't buy it no matter what I'd say right not viper ultimate, model O, model D, gpro lightweight, g403, orochi and viper mini maybw are like considered the best The hard thing is that there is no way to try anything anywhere with covid
@@axiosw0774 Yea, i will search a little more and get one, probably will by a asymmetrical shape just to see if that helps not only in the pain and aim too, and please if you buy or test one, leave a comment here so I can have an opinion!
I have a 21.1 cm lenght hand, i converted it to mm and it gave me 211 mm, in the simple optimal range the result is 5.0 hahahah, i think i make something bad, a 150 lenght mouse gave me 4.29
@@psychozein5605 Ah i am not including the finger length within the measurement as the palmar contact is the more relevant measurement within my calculator
@@piranhaman1044 haha nice! Yeah, we definitely need to change the grip :) currently using a ZA12 shaped clone from PMM Mods and a original ZA11C modded to 60g also :) the GPro was not for me as far as I've tried
I actually talk about this in part 2 of this series :) Ultimately it modifies where the stress is distributed and for thumb-sided issues in certain situations it can lead to a bit more discomfort depending on how you move and control the mouse. th-cam.com/video/17E8uZVKebQ/w-d-xo.html
Wow my hands are the exact same size as yours, that made following the guide even easier. Good work!
mine too
Hey man I have been using this calculator even in 2021, but I was hoping maybe we can make a updated version? Simple calculations seems to go over the limit when the complex ones fall in line, also a way to input mutiple mice to cecck and save would be awesome! Maybe a database of mice measurements. If you can get back to me that be awesome I’d love to know the math of this.
You guys should really come up with a database of mouse measurements so that gamers can plug their own measurements in and find a list of mice that would work well for them.
It wouldn't be a bad way to advertise your services, either ;-)
Rjn got it on his site
@@Preyge yea but that accounts for full hand height and and hand width not just palm like this shows i would go out on a limb and say this is way more accurate
Hi, I think the concept of this video and calculator are amazing. Regardless of the "model" of a mouse a person would be interested in having an actual guideline of sizes is great. Nevertheless, would you consider doing an updated video? One in which you SHOW US how to make the measurements? Are we supposed to measure BEFORE the wrist wrinkles? Across the palm? (Cause you do mention from the base of the pinky to the base of the thumb).
I'm sure a video like that would not take that much time to make and I can guarantee it would help a lot of people, myself included.
Nice! Thank you for taking the time to make this
Where's the website I don't get outputs do 8 need to be on PC?
I'm having a hell of a time finding a mouse for my short, wide hands. I'm not understanding where to measure the palm height. Your diagram is stopping short of the spot where the palm meets the wrist, but I don't know if this is where the muscles end or not. More help with the measuring would be helpful.
Hi Nathan! Hopefully I can help you here - the measurement is intentional to be at the base of the palm to the base of the fingers. While there are intrinsic muscles (smaller ones in the hand which start at the base of the palm or in between the hand bones) many of the muscles we use to control our fingers with the mouse are located in the forearm. Regardless of location the measurement is designed to consider the palm arches so these muscles will be at their optimized lengths when matches to the measurements of the mice.
So the intent is to use the measurements as is to help you find the appropriate mouse. The other thing to keep in mind is that even if it is slightly outside of the range, that is OK. Ultimately this is just one piece of the pie as it relates to your health. Things like your schedule, general conditioning and habits around gaming have larger contributions to your health than the decision of what mouse you are going to use. Choose what you want in terms of performance and as close to within the optimal range as possible :)
@@1HP Thank you for responding. I'm still not quite sure where to measure and what would be considered the palm arches, but I understand the stuff about it not needing to be exact. I am more just wondering and trying to confirm what I am feeling in terms of mice that I have used. depending on where I measure, my palm length varies greatly from 95 - 105. When I saw your examples at 90 and 95, it made me question, as my hands are not large (long) at 180mm from palm base to middle fingertip. width is 81mm Most medium mice feel too long for me, but small mice feel to thin.
I have no less than 5 mice on my desk right now as I kind of went crazy and bought a few to try them out. I didn't realize that there can really be such a thing as too small. Model O-, CM MM711, Model D-, Viper Ult. Wireless, and the one I've been using for 2 years that has malfunctioned, the G Pro Wireless. I like the Model O the best at first impression, but can tell it's extremely small (thin). The MM711 feels good for aiming but seems less comfortable than Model O-. The D- minus is very comfortable, but not great for aiming due to the fact that it seems to really want me to palm or claw it. The G Pro has never been my favorite shape as it feels like gripping an egg, and now it feels to heavy. I guess my dilemma is that I can't tell if the small ones will be less comfortable in the long run than the the other two heavier ones.
@@nathanwhite617 Short Wide Hands you say? Cooler Master MM720
@@blockaderunner Yes, I think I am going to grab that if only for work, as I am experiencing much pain with most mice. I just returned a D- because it comfortable but clunky for gaming. I wish I hadn't.
@@nathanwhite617 I can feel your pain. I have short hands but my hands are wide
18x10cm
I got a viper mini, lengthwise it was good the weight was nice too but defiantly too thin my hands were wide and got under the mouse and it pinched my hand.
I was almost gonna order the D- cos it looked good, wide and isn’t that big like the death adder or razor mamba but you said it was too clunky.
I’m really lost on what to get because I can’t play with my current viper mini and rly need a good mouse. I’m very sorry for my bad grammar, English isn’t my first language.
I bought the model d and checked and I got a 2.00 on simple and complex height 1.241 complex width 1.34 so I think I am happy that I got this mouse
Also I am doing Minecraft pvp that’s y I got the glorious model d
It would be awesome if you could take our hand measurements and suggest "golden ratio" mice!
Tbh i think generally length matters the least. Height only matters foe claw and palm and generally thats more of a hump shape plus max hump height issue. The only one that matters in all grips and in terms of muscle overuse/control is mouse width around the areas that your fingers actually grip. And at both id say a mouse to hand ratio of 0.6 is generally optimal. But i would add a bit more leeway for the pinky mouse width as people use different angles of the finger and have different contact points. Some prefer a inner side contact very similar to the ring finger and some prefer a larger angle and contact closer to the fingertip.
All in all mouse width at the ring finger area of 0.55 to 0.65 x hand width should be very comfy and 0.55-0.725 should be comfy. The closer to 0.6 and 0.633 the better imo. Try it and i bet your current preferred mouse fits these measurements most closely. Obviously allow for variances if you have specific non conventional grip/ contact locations and use common sense regarding whether your ideal ratio would be larger or smaller based on them.
Thank you so much for posting this. I'm not a gamer but my work has me constantly click, dragging across dual monitors close to 40hr/week and the wrist pain is creeping in. Just ordered a new mouse with close to the golden ratios for my tiny Asian girl hands (80/70)
what mouse did you get?
i have the same measurements with you! I would love to know what mouse you got though its already been almost a year since you've commented this. I also work with lots of clicking and dragging (graphic design) and no mouse have not given me carpal tunnel issues
@@rdhdhn Fenifox Bluetooth slim mouse. It's cheap so you get what you pay for but it's the only one I found with the right dimensions
THIS HELPED ME ALOT.
THANK YOU !!!! ❤❤❤
great i guess my hands are just too small for any mouse ;-;
That’s what she said
bruh you didnt even use it correctly
@@utterkid2 I know
Same D:
My hands are way too big for any mouse
Not all mice have a fixed width. My mouse logitech G300s width is large near the wrist and much thinner under buttons. Ratios are almost perfect, but it is not comfortable and I had carpal injuries from it.
This is an amazing guide and I've been following these steps for my mouse selection over the past months! I am performing at optimal level (or atleast that's what i like to think) and am looking to improve more but I am curious with some questions. Regarding grip width, most mouses are measured by the total width size but doesn't state the specific grip width (the part which most people grip the sides of their mouses because it goes inwards), so is it in theory better to calculate with grip width or just general mouse width?
Hey, amazing content, but the calculator is down, it's don't work?
Was hoping my sub would get you to 10k. Thanks for the advice, I've been using mice wrong for 26 years. I'm on the hunt for a gaming mouse that isn't comically small in my hands.
G Pro Wireless. Slightly to small.
Not sure which one to get next, should be wireless though. : )
Zowie Fk1 wireless where are you? ...
Simple: Hand to Mouse Ratio:
1.70
Complex: Height Ratio:
1.213
Complex: Width Ratio:
1.18
Thanks for the guide!
100 height palm
90 width palm..idk never mouse for me with this method , i try : G502,G pro, glorius D, mmcorsair, G305, zowie efc 2 ecc
I cant find any mouse that fit my hand(100x95) using simple calculations. But if i use complex almost every mice is fine.
This was great, thanks. :)
You should probably make the calculator highlight the answers with red/green background. so I know if it's the right fit or is it not. Or show the ideal numbers next to the results. Just a suggestion to make it more user friendly.
Thanks this helps I have big foot style hands
No wonder my hand hurts.
8.13 simple, 0.396 complex height
1.41 complex width on G502
For reference, i have monster hands
(115mm height x 106mm width)
Any mice recommendations?
For the hand to mouse ratio, what does it mean if:
it is closer to 1.8?
it is closer to 2.5?
1.8 is within the range but is close to the mouse being considered "too big" and vice versa for 2.5 "too small" which lead to the respective compensations at 2:26
@@1HP ahh thank you!
@@1HP why does my hand hurt more with the gpro wireless, even though it's technically as close to the golden ratio for my hand as possible? I have a razer deathadder v2 and it's outside of the ratios, but hurts my hand less
Is it intentional that in order to have a 1 complex height ratio, the mouse height and the palm width have to be the same?
My hand size 18.5 cm and 87.5 cm using as palm girip and not like ergo. Razer Deathadder V3 Pro mouse used and width, height are big for me. Which mouse will fit? Do you any suggestions?
thanks for gatekeeping me from the new deathadder with this
hey, i got 2.49 in the simple calculation and 1.482 in complex height / 1.42 in complex width.. mouse I was using for reference was the g pro superlight, does it fit or not ? since when I look at the complex calculations it fits but for the simple one it doesnt? im confused
According to your complex ratio, my basilisk v2 is too wide for my hands. Yet I feel close to constant strain in my pinky and ring finger muscles which you said happen when the mouse is too small. Could there be a margin of error for the length of someone's fingers? I have longer fingers that tend to hang over the side of the mouse
Same mouse and same problem here + thumb bind tendinopathy. My hands are on the larger side
my hand is medium size but it doesn't fit any mouse like gpro or viper ultimate always my little finger never touches the mouse
is there a way to see what's being done in the calculator?
Where would you measure width for an ergo mouse? Since the width is so variable depending where on the mouse you measure
Thanks - I was wondering if the model o was too big or I just wasnt used to hit, calculator says it should be perfect so ill just keep practicing with it
i have 18x9cm hands and i finger tip the ul2 cape town its great fit for me ;D
Great work!
I guess I don't need to upgrade from razer viper mine.. I got 1.97 for simple calc and around 1.4 for complex
Sir, I did not understand your video very well. Maybe because my English is not good. Here are my measurements, what should I do? Should I switch to a smaller mouse?
Simple: Hand to Mouse Ratio:
2.41
Complex: Height Ratio:
1.486
Complex: Width Ratio:
1.38
They need to make absolutely huge noises like non are big enough for my hand but vertical mouses
Hi, Can anyone recommend a mouse for me? Palm height: 92.8mm & Palm width: 80.1mm
So far only the Logitech G305 fits within the optimal range but I prefer an ergonomic design than ambidextrous.
Thanks in advance for the help!
bro i felt like my mouse was way too small cuz i always get problems with my pinky finger starting to hurt but after i watched your vid i think ill have to keep it bc every mouse i was thinking about getting you tested and they are even smaller idk what to do
What excactly says the calculator about your mice/hand combination? Is your hand to big?
My hand regarding 1hp's measurement is 105mm height and 95mm width. So at home i have a Razer DeathAdder Elite which barely fits regarding the calculator but seems to work fine for me even after hours. At work i have a Logitech G518(but more than 10yrs old) which fits fine but i have the feeling its a bit heavy. I looked up some mice from Razer and Logitech and regarding the calculator most Razer mice are not for me. But the Logitech G402 and G502 seem to be best fitting for my hand size. There seem to be much more mice for smaller/normal hands.
Hello, my simple and complex width are in golden ratio but missing a bit to fit in complex height 1.163 would you still recommend me to use it? It's ergonomic mouse and im using palm grip. Thank you. Ur amazing :)
My hand is 18x10cm (Palm grip)
Is it small or medium?
I used DAV3 , EC2-CW , Superlight , Origin One X , MM731 I kinda like MM731
Want an ergo
DAV3 is big af
I feel like there's a huge gap in the ball of my hand, or under my thumb, are there any mice out there to help with that?
Your pretty lucky I didn’t click off after that intro, that was probably the worst pun I’ve ever heard 😂
I got 1.68 in simple head to mouse ratio.
Should i go for this mouse?
(Got 1.2 and 1.14 in complex
Do you measure your hand exactly as seen in picture, or does the hand need to be compact?
calc is unavailable on ya web site...any advice?
i have 80 x 80 mm hands and i cant find any range
Is this optimal range, no matter the grip style?
Yeah he said so in the video
Guys I am getting near golden complex ratio with small mouse but my simple ratio is out of the range should I go for small mouse?
I have 2.48 simple and about 1.5 on both complex do you think i should get the mouse?
My problem is i have a big palm but also have long fingers, so my mouse is actually in optimal range according to the calculator but it still feels really uncomfortable for my hands unless im grabbing the mouse from the ends. should i just find a mouse that is longer than mine?
I can't find e good mouse for Height 95 Width 87 - Relaxed Claw grip .... any tips?
I'm testing on large mice and I have 90x75 mm hands and it is always at least 2.75... I feel like that isn't right but I can't tell
Was looking to upgrade to the new g303 shroud edition but my current Hati S is apparently 2.09 simple calculation and 1.300 / 1.31 complex. while the g303 is 1.81 / 1.213 / 1.26... That's just within range so i should be ok?
unfortunately for "small hands" like me.. finding a comfortable mouse IS VERY VERY HARD
it seems that manufacturer is racing to make biger and bigger mouse
5 years ago 100mm length is common.. but today.. its hard to get even 120mm.. it all goes up to 140 mm.. WTF??!
bring back those small and short mice !
My hand is 18x10cm
Is it small or medium?
I used DAV3 , EC2-CW , Superlight , Origin One X , MM731 I kinda like MM731
Want an ergo
DAV3 is big af
Darmoshark M3 Micro
Will the model o wireless be to big for me I have a hand to mouse ratio size of 2.78
My hand size is like Elliot's and I'm struggling to find a big light mouse, maybe you have some recommendations for me?
What would you consider light also what mouse do u want ergo or symmetrical
@@EagleCloudy ergo, 60 to 80g
@@Safsal that’s what I prefer too I would recommend model D, Ultra custom ergo and the death adder doesn’t matter which variant. I have used these all and I can highly recommend them
finger length has no impact on this measurement?
do you know any ambidextrous mice that would work for someone with 110-105 mm hands?
The program is not working. Do you know something that I can do about it?
What the website you use to caculate these ratio
When you say Mouse width- Do you mean Grip width or the overall Width?
actually a good point here, was using my best mouse for the test. used mouse width on the calc and wasnt optimal, changed to grip width and the calc is optimal af. ppl should rly use grip width.
Simple 2.24 is okay?
Mouse such as G PRO Wired
There is a large difference between the top view and the actual grip width of the mouse, which width do you calculate?
for consistency we are utilizing the bottom-side width distance of the mouse
Bro
Can I use a 12.5 cm long mouse
My palm size is 18.5 cm
wait the palm is without fingers how is it so large ? i have pretty big hands and from wrist to top of my middle finger i'm at 22 cm ...
Is it possible that the simple calculation falls out of range but the complex calculation is almost exactly golden ratio? For me it was 2.28 simple and 1.405 and 1.40 for complex
same here
Simple: Hand to Mouse Ratio:
1.95
Complex: Height Ratio:
1.176
Complex: Width Ratio:
1.38
You remind me of Ron Rambo Kim!
Ron is my hero :)
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i’ve 115mm height and 100 width (20cm x 10cm in total) and according to your site i can’t use any mouse also the deathadder is out of range in simple calculations and also near to out in complex calculations have you some mouse to advise? e.e
Hey Rosso - these are general ranges that reflect potential risk if you fall outside of the ranges. While your hands are definitely larger than most it may result in your using a claw grip over a palm to allow for better control of the mouse. Ultimately I would still choose a mouse you are interested in but just understand the underlying potential for increased stress due to the mismatch in sizing. Some of this can be accounted for with grip but in general think of the bigger picture (conditioning, scheduling >>>>>> ergonomics and mouse choice when it comes to injuries)
@@1HP thanks for the reply currently i am adopting to the mouse i have (i had gpw,razer viper ultimate,razer deathadder v2) and i have the same perfomance with all of them also the comfort is the same because i use a fingergrip/claw hybrid so doesn't matter how big or small is it the mouse ,just for say i can't palm completely anyone of them comfortly just the deathadder a little bit. my problem is the tracking because i wanna use the pinky streight as anyone as stabilizer idk how to explain, instead currently i'm using it curved into the back of the mouse lol (claw style)
@@1HP i’m really sad cause i’m a lefty and i have huge hands and can’t find a single mouse near my hand range, but i’ll take your advice and just get one and hope it works. I was using the viper ultimate before and i literally couldn’t grip it so hopefully a new one will work better
Do the same rules apply to vertical mice?
nope sorry this was made intentionally for a normal horizontal mouse. Have not looked into too many V.mouse currently!
it is okay to buy a mouse with 1.197 height ratio for me? (razer mamba eite)? this is only one optimal range i go beyond
Hey Vox - I wrote this below but yep it is definitely okay. Think of the range as a GUIDE. if you are within the range there will be less overall stress on the hand. As you move further away from the optimal range you are only very slightly increasing stress on your wrist/hand.
In the bigger picture - the ergonomics associated with the mouse is only a small percentage of your overall health. Stretching regularly and working on the conditioning of your wrist will ensure you can use whatever mouse you want
@@1HP thank you for responding :)
so the zowie fk1 is perfect for my hand (2.0 x 1.34 x 1.28),just to make sure will this also improve aiming?
No. It will make it easier to improve.
considering that I have 2 (hand-mouse ratio) 1.1 (height ratio) and 1.5 (radio width) and that I am a fingertip gamer will the viper mini suit me?
Yes
Im a bit confused. I've narrowed down my search between the viper ultimate and the viper mini and the DeathAdder V2 Mini. The Viper Ultimate has a simple score of exactly 2.00 which is supposed to be perfect but its complex is 1.274 height and 1.36 width. The Viper Mini has a simple score of 2.39 which is way too much but its Complex is way better than the Ultimate because it's 1.352 Height and 1.48 Width. The DeathAdder V2 mini has a simple of 2.36 which again is too high, but an almost perfect set of complex scores of 1.383 height and 1.42 width. Which do you think I should pick? it seems like the death adder v2 has the best complex scores but the Viper Ultimate has a perfect simple score. And the Viper Mini has a much better complex to the viper ultimate but the simple is way off. I'm pretty confused as to which to focus more on and what is most important.
Sorry for the paragraph. I just want some good advice as to which would be best. I mainly use Claw grip with sometimes using a sorta lazy palm in between claw and palm.
This is a great question and would love to know the answer
Fuck.
Simple: Hand to Mouse Ratio:
2.20
Complex: Height Ratio:
0.737
Complex: Width Ratio:
1.31
I have huge hands (XXL), and Ive loved my G403 but have always known it was too small. Ive had wrist and forearm pain lately when adjusting my desk height setup (a lot of clicking all day, especially from League), but realized that I probably strain my hand a lot with how small the mouse is in my hand. I guess it would be worth going for something bigger like the G502.
I got a golden 2.03 ratio with the gpro, guess I’ll be spending 100 bucks pretty soon😂
Is it fine if the simple calculation is 7 hundredths out of range? The hand to mouse ratio for me is 2.22 for the mouse I want to get, and its only a tiny bit out of range. I don't want to switch mouse or find a different mouse because I've been wanting to get this mouse for so long and I don't want to change it because of a measurement. Is it really that big of a deal if my measurements are only a tiny bit out of range?
Really great question - yes it is 100% okay to use the mouse that you want. As you move further away from the optimal range you are only very slightly increasing stress on your wrist/hand.
In the bigger picture - the ergonomics associated with the mouse is only a small percentage of your overall health. Stretching regularly and working on the conditioning of your wrist will ensure you can use whatever mouse you want
@@1HP Ok, thank you.
im looking at getting the razer viper mini and for my simple calculation it's a 2.43 but for the complex height its a 1.433 and width is 1.42?? does this mean its good for my hand? i'm confused as to why the simple one is so high seeing as those 2 are so close to being perfect
same here and hopefully it fits ( but the width is 1.276 for me )
According to this calculator only G402 logitech falls in all 3 optimal area for me
Hey I have one question about Model O and Model D
Ambidex vs Ergo
2.31 1.437, 1.34 (Model D)
2.31 1.478, 1.34 (Model O)
I got those results, which are very close, I use fingertip mostly and I wanted to see what is your opinion on ambidex vs ergo mices?
I am also considering logitech lightweight and viper ultimate...but a lot of people tell me to get viper mini because of fingertiping - hand size is 185-190mm height, 110mm palm height, 90-100mm palm width
So, you bought or tested one, I have the same grip as you and pretty much the same hand size but it's pretty hard to find a mouse that gets a good ratio, i`m using a viper mini but that tiny mouse really put a stress in my fingers
@@SrBigulim
I got model O...after g502 it felt so mucb lighter, I really like it, but the shape feels smaller. I just have an issue with a squeaky right click, so I will return it for exchange or just refund
Afterwards I'll buy model D to try out probably if I can return the O. I have wireless, but since it's for my dekstop pc only, I might just get wired version...the wire is soooo lightweight that you don't feel it at all
But yeah I wish I knew how the model D feels, it does have more hump and height, which I think might be better, but I can't say just yet
I was thinking about getting viper mini, but I think it will be too small
I did couple other tests and got razer orochi v2 as the shape for me...
@@axiosw0774 Yea, I'm thinking about getting a Model D, or the Deathadder V2 just for the size, actually I've used a deathadder 2013 and the g403 but I can only remember having pain in my wrist ( More exactly in the ulnar bone) when I picked up an ambi mice!
@@SrBigulim
I'd say don't pick up a heavy mouse, trust me the lightness is a hugeeeee difference, deathadder is heavy
I was thinking about getting g403 too...I still wanna try that, but to be honest for me it's easier - if a mouse has no usb C in 2021 I don't buy it no matter what
I'd say right not viper ultimate, model O, model D, gpro lightweight, g403, orochi and viper mini maybw are like considered the best
The hard thing is that there is no way to try anything anywhere with covid
@@axiosw0774 Yea, i will search a little more and get one, probably will by a asymmetrical shape just to see if that helps not only in the pain and aim too, and please if you buy or test one, leave a comment here so I can have an opinion!
how do you measure your hand exactly ?
Follow themarkings at 1:19 to find your measurements :)
Height: 105mm, Width: 90mm. Large hands make mouse searching annoying. Especially when you're on a budget.
We're do I see the ratio tf? There's deadass no outputs On the article
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I have palm height 110 mm and width 90 mm. Mouse for my hand simply don't exist.
Cant access the link
are you still unable to?
my simple is 2.78 💀 time to change mouse ig
can someone help me with my big a$$ hand, 120mm height, 80mm width, I can't find mouse big enough for my hand
Thanks to all for your help
Lmao my hands are the exact same size as yours
For me, If it feels uncomfortable to hold, it is not a good fit
I have 23 by 12.75 cm hand. HELP PLS
wow thats large tho. Maybe just try to find a shape u rlly like and play it with claw. You wont be able to use anything relaxed/palmed with that size
MY DAMN TINY HANDS
I AM YOUR 100TH COMMENT
My hand is a square lmao 102x102 xD
9yo me watching this: I didnt skip any class why dont I know what is ratio ua ua ua
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I have a 21.1 cm lenght hand, i converted it to mm and it gave me 211 mm, in the simple optimal range the result is 5.0 hahahah, i think i make something bad, a 150 lenght mouse gave me 4.29
LOL i think the 21.1 cm may have been a mismeasurement..?
@@1HP rocketjumpninja have 19cm length and some people have 20+. i don't know if you are refering about the ".1"
@@psychozein5605 Ah i am not including the finger length within the measurement as the palmar contact is the more relevant measurement within my calculator
@@1HP makes sense, my bad. Thanks!
@@psychozein5605 No need to apologize! Glad I was able to provide some clarity :)
MY HANDS ARE TOO FUCKING BIGGGG
Wish I picked a different hobby
@@piranhaman1044 feel u.. 115/95 gang here
@@auro8649 ended up getting a G Pro Super Light and changed my grip and its been working great
@@piranhaman1044 haha nice! Yeah, we definitely need to change the grip :) currently using a ZA12 shaped clone from PMM Mods and a original ZA11C modded to 60g also :) the GPro was not for me as far as I've tried
This only makes sense for palm grip players.
Math teachers when they game:
What's your take on vertical mouses? Are they better for e.g. thumb pain induced by excessive mouse use?
I actually talk about this in part 2 of this series :)
Ultimately it modifies where the stress is distributed and for thumb-sided issues in certain situations it can lead to a bit more discomfort depending on how you move and control the mouse.
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