The Cars You Only Know BECAUSE of Gran Turismo
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MFW the fastest Group C in GT4 is also a fax machine
Music (in order):
Friday Night - Kensuke Inage, Yoshihiro Arai (Yakuza 0)
Kitsch - Yu Miyake (Tekken 4)
Burnin' Rubber - Hiroshi Okubo (Ridge Racer Type 4)
When The Rains Come - Satoshi Bando (Gran Turismo 5)
Tough Roads Ahead - Masanori Takeuchi (Sega GT 2002)
Ogre Stage - Keiichi Okabe (Tekken Tag Tournament PS2)
Purple Sky - AJURIKA (Ridge Racer - Planetary Sounds)
Race Menu 2 - Isamu Ohira (Gran Turismo 4)
Race Menu 1 - Isamu Ohira (Gran Turismo 4)
Vis - mergrim (Gran Turismo 6)
Friday Night - Kensuke Inage, Yoshihiro Arai (Yakuza 0)
Channels credited:
/ @xtimelessgaming
/ @superdott98
/ @randomcarguy17
/ @kamepo
/ @vinanderson1497
/ @lompi
/ @denefindov
/ @tpl-motorsport
/ @stevenmckay1934
/ @gearshifter
/ @hsgautomotive
/ @rynogt4
/ @rsr9377
/ @notperfectgame
/ @calemmrnazreenn
/ @undergroundgamingente...
/ @b3an_machine
/ @thegtstech
/ @gtgamecars
/ @motogamestv
/ @zocker1990
/ @dustinedenyt
/ @tiranngtposting2844
/ @adracoz
/ @gtcars5408
/ @venadobo
/ @adversarynemesis2616
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0:00 Introduction
1:26 Tommy Kaira ZZ-S
8:43 Hommell Berlinette
14:27 Jaguar XJ13
20:35 Cizeta V16T
26:43 Toyota Minolta 88C-V
37:22 Chaparral 2D
44:43 Isuzu 4200R
50:28 Ending - เกม
The GT2 A-Spec mod is continuing this legacy of introducing me to obscure ass cars. Some cars people post there are so obscure there's barely any info on them whatsoever.
That's where I found out about Aston Martin Nimrod lol
@@heavenlanes5598 same
@@heavenlanes5598 and how i found about the "Sintura S99 GT1"
i just wish theyd put in a few more road cars
@@titicaca.The Isuzu 4200R should've been returned in GT7.
I was actually familiar with Hommell cars before they were eventually featured in Gran Turismo 4, but there's a bit of a story to it. All the way back in the very early 2000s, probably around the time GT3 came out, I had the opportunity to visit a museum in the French town of Lohéac, called the Manoir de l'Automobile. This museum is the property of Michel Hommell, and multiple Hommell cars are on display there (among many, many, many others), including the playable Berlinette RS Coupe and two prototypes of it, but also some of the versions you mentioned, such as the Berlinette Echappement, the Barquette, and even the RS2.
Having returned to the museum in 2019 and in 2023, I'm happy to confirm they are all still there in nearly pristine condition. If you ever find yourself in this corner of France, I can't recommend visiting it enough, this is quite possibly the only way to see a Hommell in real life relatively conveniently.
Hommell Barquette? Was that the next gen Berlinette?
@@purwantiallan5089 Nope.
Berlinette : French word for a small sports coupé (similar to the Italian "berlinetta"). The original Alpine A110 was colloquially named "la berlinette" in France before the Hommell Berlinette has been released.
Barquette : French word for a small sports roadster (generally without a windshield like a Renault Spider, similar to the Italian "barchetta")
The Hommell Barquette was just a roofless version of the Berlinette.
That fugly frog looking vehicle should never have been featured
Honorable mention: Proto Motors Spirra 4.6 V8 '04
I was so shocked to see that the brand had changed name in GT6. Currently playing through it now
somewhat debatable, while the car was in GT4-6 i do remember it was in Forza Motorsport 2 iirc
@@mondaybear21 Oh, I didn't know that - I only played GT4, GTPSP & GTSport 😅
Found that car in Forza Mortsport 2-4.
underrated
Funnily enough, while deciding a team name/identity for my 2020 MyTeam career mode; Gran Turismo gave me the idea of reviving Chaparral as an F1 team. (The influence was particularly from the 2X VGT with some influence from the historically legendary Chaparral's like the 2J, 2D and the Indycar championship winning 2K) After winning 40+ Grand Prix's and 4 Drivers and 3 Constructor's Titles and loving the pure insanity from Jim Hall's innovations. Chaparral became one of my favorite stories of Motorsport. God Bless Jim Hall.
I also ever put Kasumi Nakasu and Antonio Giovinazzi as driver lineup for Chaparral F1 Team on F1 2020 to F1 23 MyTeam Career Mode.😂
"babe wake up roflwaffle posted a new vid"
damn he beat me to it
100% relatable
Yessir
Literally me. I Will never scroll past a video from the GOAT
You don’t need to wake me up, I got the notification on my own phone.
I literally learned about lots of cars first because of Gran Turismo and other racing titles.
For me it's the Escudo but everyone's probably sick of hearing about that car by now
@@ablationerColin McRae R4 Rally Car should've also appearing on GT7.
I always wondered how the devs were finding those cars at all, especially back in the 90's. They probably had a special department that was going through foreign magazines to find what they can. And even if they did, I can't imagine how hard it was for a Japanese person to try and contact a little custom car manufacturer somewhere in Europe.
17:40 yo I just wanna say I appreciate you actually going over WHAT was changed in the rebuild, it feels like everybody who talks about this car simply mentions it's not 100%, but never goes into what was actually different.
So many cars in GT2 both on final game and beta builds didnt made into the cut.
12:40 Oooh, so this is where the racing modification of the Viper RT/10 came from! The more you know
It's funny how, because Gran Turismo doesn't simulate engine malfunctions, cars that are considered unreliable IRL are able to shine in-game. The Minolta 88C-V is a great example as you show, since it's 50kg lighter than most other Group C's without any real downside. The tyre wear issue can be fixed by lengthening the gears or driving in MT, since 1st and 2nd gear are pretty much unusable when it has over 900hp. The FD RX-7's are top-class JDM's as well in a world where you're not forced to deal with rotary shenanigans.
By the way, to give a bit of insight into the V16T, GT4 absolutely doesn't do it justice. Cars in GT4 follow a general rule of "newer = better", so PD gave the V16T far worse grip stats than, say, the Zonda's or Esprit's. It has a few weird quirks as well: it has 0 / 20 non-adjustable downforce and the rear tyres are much wider than the front, so while it does have a 40:60 weight distribution, it feels very strange in corners because it both understeers and oversteers depending on the situation. This is all on top of it weighing 1361kg after reductions, so yeah, it's a boat with some not-so-ideal braking distances, and tuning can only really do so much to help it.
Whenever you think gear ratios are unusuable, use these numbers:
1
1.15
1.35
1.65
2.1
2.5
And then adjust the final ratio until it's good for the car's top speed. This way the car will have a MotoGp-esque ratio where 1st is really long and usable with all the other gears keeping you in the highest part of your RPMs. If the car has 7 gears the top gear should be like 0.95 or so.
@@DanArnets1492 Those numbers are going to be different for every car, especially if you mess with the auto slider. There's an easier way to get those close gear ratios though, if you make final as short as possible, set auto to 1, stretch out the gears with final again, then arrange the individual ratios so 1st and 2nd are left, 5th and 6th are right, and 4th is 3/4's to the right.
For the 88C-V, that would be: final to 5.500, then auto to 1 then final to 2.600, then set individual gears to 2.882, 2.061, 1.685, 1.390, 1.159, 0.976.
@@TeaKanji - That 1st gear is gonna be considerably shorter than the one I told you. I told you a 2.5 with a 1.0 for top, you just said 2.88 and 0.98...
@@DanArnets1492 Yes, because I went in-game, did the setup exactly as I described, and got those numbers. Did you?
@@TeaKanji - The numbers are universal. Use those numbers, then just play with the final gear ratio (use LM24 or even Twin Ring Motegi to test) until you're hitting the top speed you want. I use them in GT7, Forza8, FH5... It's very very useful!
I actually knew about the Hommell Berlinette before GT4, as someone in my area has both an Echappement and an RS.
They were STREET PARKED on the main street of a village we had to cross to go get groceries so I saw them pretty often as a kid so it didn't surprise me to see them in GT4. Only recently have I learned at how rare they are.
The owner still has them, he has since built a garage for them to sleep in.
On the street? Crazy
You know it's a banger when it starts off with Friday Night blasting
There's a party alright
New Roflwaffle video let's go boys!
Fun fact: I'm the creator of GT Wiki's Gran Turismo 2 car images, the ones at Motor Sports Land. You can see it at 4:23 of this video, for example. It's so nice to see them featured here on your channel!
Thanks brotha
Great work, bruv 🙌
Hey man, since you're here, I was wondering, why did you hide or maybe even delete all your previous videos? You've had gorgeous concepts of some kind of "Gran Turismo Remakes", which had beautiful design and I really miss them, since it's a great example of the idea "if you'll take the UI design from the old games and remake it in Full HD - it would be strongly competitive even to modern games".
I was your subscriber for a couple of years and unsubscribed only after you've hidden all the content, so I was really curious for a long time, why did all of this happen
Always wondered which track it was, thanks for all the work
@@vedantyadav378i belive it was Motorsports Land. The only ever track that appears in Gran Turismo 2.
The Toyota Minolta 88c-v is my favorite car in the Gran Turismo series I can't remember how many races I've won using this car. It really underrated and a awesome car I wish it would return in GT7
most of Toyota's prototypes are underrated
a bit strange tho that they gave it 6 gears when I'm pretty sure all the group c cars of that era were 5 gears
Same, I’ve won no problem with it in B spec mode in most of the endurance races
Oh yeah I love the engine sounds
I have fond memories driving the Berlinette in GT5. In particular I remember using it specifically for the rally special events, of all things.
"My name is giovanni giorgio, but most call me, giorgio"
Giovanni Giorgio? Who is he btw?
@@purwantiallan5089Giorgio Morodor, who is referenced in the video. His full name is Giovanni Giorgio Morodor.
the mention of the Diablo's debut coinciding with the premium remodel of the Cizeta made me realise GT must have paid tribute to their licencing workarounds when the Ruf brand and the BMW McLaren returned in the new gen GTs.
Ohh I had a Chaparal 2D hotwheel car as a kid and being able to unlock it in GT4 back in the da was such a highlight for kid me.
The Chapparal 2D is one of my favorite sports cars of all time. It's so photogenic. Hot Wheels is what introduced me to the car as a kid, and I was an immediate fan.
Gt made me love that car more than any other car. ❤️❤️❤️
You can't be the *fan* of that car it's not the 2J.
@@purplestrawberrysunset2D was kicking ass long before the 2J
Some bloke at Mattel must have seen the Isuzu Como Concept. Its resemblance to the Deora II is undeniable!
26:56 I hit like as soon as I heard the Tekken Tag Tournament music
The Ford GT 90 was one of the greatest cars i ever saw as a kid. Wish we could use it again some time in gt series again
Anyone here ordering a V16T?
Nope
If I had the money I would in a heart beat. I have always loved that car. It is so cool and batshit
@@BouncingZeus i would too. I think i'd order a yellow open-top version
Bro does not run out of ideas🔥🔥🔥
i agree
he's only been doing it for like a year.
I would love to see a video about the few trucks that have been featured in Gran Turismo. As a “car” game, I always found it a bit weird that they would even bother adding trucks to begin with. That being said I wish polyphony would add more as they are some of my favorite vehicles to mess around with.
Yeah, a newer Raptor and a TRX would be great. Not to mention Toyota recently debuting new generations for all their trucks and BOF SUVs.
I saw the jaguar xj13 at the heritage museum about 20 years ago as a teen. They also had the 88 xjr9 there. They said if the guy who usually works there was in I could have sat in it 😅. I did buy a really good jaguar in group c book that I still have to this day.
I'd seen the Cizeta before in a supercar book in the library early 90s.
I watched the Minolta Toyota racing in the 1988 1000 km of Fuji (I was 4 years old) on VHS. My dad used to go to le mans to support jaguar which was common in Coventry.
I'm glad you mentioned the reasons for why they probably chose it as I always came to the same conclusion that they should have chosen the ts010 or the 94c-v
I still can't work out why they added the 99 r34 penzoil skyline and the Castrol supra without the nsx that raced them both, same for the BMW/mercedes dtm 2016 cars for group 2
*Starts Video*
Immediately hears Friday night.
You absolute legend, God bless.
My exact thoughts
When did he said that?
Opening up the video with yakuza 0 OST is absolutely genius
I've found very interesting recently with the dawn of GT youtubers, the fact that I've completed GT4 World Championship with the Nissan R89C to actually be out of ordinary. I knew the Minolta was kinda strong but I do remember the AI piting earlier for tires, while I could stretch my stints a bit further in races.
I remember having a Chaparral 2D as a Hot Wheels car when I was a kid. Nice of you to mention the 2D nonetheless.
What I find funny is that the Hot Wheels car came out the year before GT4 came out in Japan. Makes me wonder if Hot Wheels and GT got their ideas separately or not.
I would absolutely love to more stories like this and even if we don't, I'm always happy to see you upload, every video of yours is a BANGER. Props for Tekken music btw 👀
You forgot that GT was the only game that added the legendary FIAT PANDA.
The way you describe the looks of these cars is a rare accordance and cars was the reason why Gran Turismo feels like home let alone people like you and me that has a passion for cars. ❤🚕🏎
Stuff like the Gillet Vertigo is a good honorable mention
This guy pumps out near hour long videos like every 2 days about things I like and it's actually a good video
you should totaly tell about r30 silhouette. it was one of the fastest cars in gt2 and it was infamous for the 2 race strategy of completing the game. i personally also know this car because of gt2
Callaway C12 became my childhood dream car because of this game, not realizing it's actually a Corvette
I had a hot wheels of the Chaparral 2D when I was a kid, and I was vaguely aware of a lot of the endurance race cars because I always liked watching endurance sports car racing. But stuff like the Tommy Kaira I only learned about from video games!
Had no idea that chaparral itself existed, but the moment i found 2D on gran turismo (psp) i imediatly fell for it, I dont know, it just looks so damn good, and the history it carries is just icing on the cake.
This is so unbelievably true. All of my tastes have been influenced and shaped by GT. Even now, I see vehicles and go: “Oh! That’s in Gran Turismo XX” I blame GTPSP especially for this 😅 great job dude 🎉
That last Isuzu story was really interesting to me - both the 4200R and the Como.
Thank you.
A great video as always. My Gran Turismo discovery was the humble Mitsubishi FTO. Not super obscure, but it wasnt sold in my country and I was like 3 years old lol
I'm the same. There's a guy on my street who drives a Supra and no one understands why I go gaga over it, to my wife it's 'just a Toyota'
Great video! I was definitely thinking the Vectors were going to get a spotlight here. Perhaps next time! The line-up in this video was definitely top tier stuff for the theme.
thank you for talking about the TommyKaira models and the ASL models they were so strange to me but i loved them, especially the ZZ-II
The 2D is legitimately the best looking racers from it's period, always gets slept on just from a design perspective.
Fun fact: Giorgio Moroder, produced the song "Highway to the danger zone", made famous by Top Gun, often thought to be a song about "going Mach 2 with your hair on fire", but, the lyrics were written by his mechanic (for some reason, that's awesome) and they're about driving a Ferrari at high speeds through winding back roads.
Gran Turismo as a child is what started my passion for cars
The Nike One 2022 the concept that was never forgotten
Probably not as obscure as I’m thinking it is but I think the only reason I know of the Lister Storm is because of GT
I actually had a Chaparral 2D hotwheels before I ever played Gran Turismo, and it was my favorite hotwheels. I still have it somewhere.
*GameAnyone logo shows up in the bottom right corner*
me: oh hey, unexpected rynogt4 footage
30:01 that also happened in late 2010s, some year between 2017 and 2019, but i can't remember when, i just remember the sheer sadness of the ones who wanted Porsche's streak to end
Back in 2008 I managed to sit in a Garaiya at the Tokyo Auto Salon; it was a demo car for a company selling car stereos (Carrozerria I think they were called, though it also could have been Pioneer as they sold a line called Carrozzerria). The representative was trying to talk to me about the soundstage but all I wanted to talk about was the car lol.
AFAIK there were 25 cars made altogether, and some were sold in the UK.
Already looking forward to the video about the two (non-existent) Tommy kiara cars at 4:26 :D
The white one reminds me alot of the Watson Revenge Racer from Burnout
That Isuzu is definitely where hot wheels stole the idea for Deora II
Wasn’t expecting to hear Tekken 4 music
I love the Minolter so much it carried me throughout all my GT4-GT6 playthrough.
The 88C-V is among one of the most beautiful race cars I’ve ever looked at, and while I never saw it in GT, it was brought to my attention by a friend talking about its appearance.
Dude, you started the vid with Friday Night…if I hear the pillows anywhere soon you’ll be my fav TH-camr forevermore
When did he say Friday night?
What a great video to watch. I'm so glad you're doing this and bringing this pieces to the spotlight with such good context about them in real life. Thank you so much for your work man!
I’m in total agreement with the ZZ-II being one of the best looking cars never made. I loved that thing in GT3 too, used it at every opportunity.
As many cars Gran Turismo has introduced me to I looked at racing history due to reading the description of some of the cars so I had to do my own research and I found more cars than any Gran Turismo or Forza game could ever show me Gran Turismo showed me that cars was my passion same with engineering and mechanics this gave me my career
I've always wondered if Polyphony Digital would ever make a bus or train game in the same way. Iconic vehicles and routes of the past, dazzling graphics, phenomenal love for the content they make, no DLC...
But this is GT3/GT4 era PD I'm talking about here. I wonder if it still exists.
I feel like this could make a nice series. There are a lot of obscure cars in these games...
Tommy Kaira ZZ-II is still one of my favourite looking cars, and also one of my favourites to drive in game. and i would never have heard about it if it wasnt for Gran Turismo
The 2D struck my interest from the moment I saw it in GT4 over the 2J, I ADORE the 2D as one of my many go to cars when it's featured.
For a video about cars people only know because of the games, you could find a dozen of them in GT4 alone, like the Jay Leno Tank Car, possibly the biggest car in the series, Spyker C8 Laviolette, a car forgotten after the brand was mismanaged to oblivion, Buick Special, a car only added because the devs liked it during a car show, and even some cool but very iconic concepts like Dome Zero, Nike One, Mazda Kusabi and especially Toyota RSC!
Noticing the Sega GT 2002 music hit some nostalgia for me in this video
I was not aware of Pikes Peak event. Thanks to GT2 debuting the infamous Escudo PPV, now I know.
How about a video about Gran Turismo's concept cars, and how they turned out to be today
It's always intriguing seeing cars that is quite common nowadays depicted as futuristic concept in the 2005 game, for example Suzuki Swift, Mazda 6, Audi R8, and GTR R35
The Chaparral 2 D is my Absolute Fav. I just LOVE How it accelerates Like a Rocket Once its gets passed 100 Kmh aka First Gear. Cant wait to get it in GT 7.
My dad used to nickname the minolta the "crazy 88"
20:19 The XJ13 also appears in GTA Online as the Ocelot Swinger.
Your videos are so good, they're always so well produced and researched and I really appreciate your passion for the Gran Turismo series, as well racing games in general!
Cizeta V16T looks like a mixture between a Lamborghini Diablo and Ferrari Testarosa❤🎉
the cool thing is, that i started playing GT4,GT3,GT6 since i was a young kid when i was 4-6 years old
The Tommykaira ZZ II was my online terrorizer in GT5. Had the exact same tuning profile as the R34 GTR, because it had the same engine, weighed half of what the R34 did and only cost 58k in the used dealership. Put a top speed tune on it, learn how early to brake and you’ll be on your way to spanking LMP cars on tracks with long straights
Mazda 787B. GT has made people think it was actually competitive.
So it actually sucked??
Well it wouldnt be the first "cool" car I heard of that actually sucked
If GT can bring back cars from the dead, they need to do that w/ the Mazda Furai, may she rest in peace. That car was amazing in the earlier GT games!
I enjoyed the 2d. I remember having a setup that would mean the other racers would get a headstart only for me to drive by like they were standing still. It was especially funny in online since other players wouldn't realise how slow the take off is you'd get boosted and skip the low revs
You can tell just by looking at the XJ13 that it would've had aerodynamic deficiencies compared to the '67 cars it was grouped with in GT5.
I’ll break the no concept car rule: Mazda Furai. My absolute favourite
A fan of tekken music I see, great taste
The Honda NSX became my favourite car, thanks to the original Gran Turismo. It also has quite a fascinating history, what with Ayrton Senna involved in the design. Seeing that in one of your videos, Roflwaffle, would be great.
This was fantastic, nonetheless, and very interesting - thank you!
I actually knew of the Chaparral 2D before the 2J, but only because I got a Hot Wheels toy of it as a kid. Still have it, matter of fact. But this video taught me the history of it when I just never bothered to look it up myself, and for that, I am thankful.
the jauguar xj13 was always my favorite, love the curves and sound!
The Minolta is a very interesting choice. In motorsport, many people judge the performance of a car, team, or driver by their stats, but it doesn't tell the full story. Gran Turismo celebrates the history of cars. Even the non-winning cars have cool stories to tell.
What if the Minolta won Le Mans? Well Gran Turismo is a game so you can give her a happy ending :)
Tommykaira ZZII ....That was the one that got me. Beast of a sports car using a Nissan Skyline engine, it never made it past prototype. Lightweight and brutally fast.
For me it's the ASL Garaiya, and especially the race version. That car drives so well, I love it.
I originally found out about the Tommykaira ZZ Gen. 2 from Tomica - the JP Die Cast cars - and to find out that its first generation exists in GT just makes me love this quirky little JP Elise boi even more, the Tommykaira ZZ came in 2 colors from Tomica - red and yellow. I had the yellow one and it's still sold at my local toy store despite it not being made anymore, i got the car along with another goofy boi that sadly isn't in GT i think - that being the Toyota IQ casting from '09.
Tekken music on Gran Turismo, blow up mi mind, love these two games
The WRX, EVO and GTR were made popular in the US because of GT.
I have seen more in person than playing video games. I did grow in the 80's and I loved cars from TV shows, movies and believe it or not books/magazines and actual Anime!
I mean yeah, i only knew of the '89 Toyota Minolta 88c-v race car because of GT4. It was insane to see a car, with a big turbo and an oil change hit over 1,200 hp.
the Minolta car is a perfect example, imho, of a car/livery out living the on-track performance of said car. It's a beautiful group C car with attractive body lines and shapes, and it's livery is iconic in it's own right. Plenty of nascar, indycar, and F1 car's follow in that same footstep.
one of the best videos I've seen in a long time, this one was highly nostalgic. thank you for making it.
I've known most of the cars before GT (some were present in other games), but Tommy Kaira ZZ-S is definitely one of them. Also, even as somebody that likes and owned french race cars, the Alpine A220 from GT7 took me by surprise. I've never heard of it before.
What makes it sad that Vector will never return as the founder passed away along with the factory getting cleared all the prototypes and shells of vector cars all got thrown into the scrapyard.
30:00 seeing Toyota retiring from the race due to the cars breaking down feels so unreal, like it's not right...
Then again, Carlos Sainz back in 1998 WRC season with his Corolla...
The background music low key slaps