I'm Japanese. I checked the video about Dome S102. The video begins with racing driver Daisuke Ito wanting to check out the course before his first attempt at Le Mans. Afterwards, the Best MOTORing editorial team visited Polyphony Digital's studio and asked them to create a special simulator. Producer Kazunori Yamauchi readily agreed to this request, and a simulator exclusively for Daisuke Ito was created. Kazunori Yamauchi clearly states in the video, "We created a special version of Gran Turismo." Therefore, we can see that the Dome S102 is a model created for this version and has no relation to the released version. (Sorry if there are any translation mistakes.)
Fun fact. The cars raced in NASCAR in 2009 have never been officially licensed in any video game. NASCAR 09 featured the 2008 cars, and NASCAR The game 2011 featured the 2010 cars.
@@diegosaenz9989 The 2008 and 2009 COT's are all the same bodies. I believe iRacing had the 2008 COT and didn't update it until 2010 when they went back to the spoilers. I was more specifically referring to official licensing of paint schemes of the 2009 NASCAR season.
41:29 Well, I'm Japanese and saw the episode in the description. In the episode, the game was mentioned as: 1. Using "Secret data" of S102 by dome to build virtual counterpart of the car. 2. It is the Special build of the game to let both drivers of Ito and Kataoka, who had never been in salthe circuit, to learn the track with Tsutiya. and no more mention about the game itself in the video. I think the car exists in only the special build sown in Best Motoring, without body models. The possible reason to PDI to ditch the car, is mentioned in the beginning of the best motoring; "Daisuke Ito has injured at July 11, 2008, while filming HotVersion (another Japanese video series featuring car culture, specially in tuned vehicle)." PD seemingly avoid the race car that caused injury in real life just like Mercedes CLR. I hope this will help you.
I would guess Polyphony did create this car - but only the physics model, not the visual model. In racing games all this is independent from each other (only like BeamNG is different) Making the physics for the GT4/5 engine may be a days work when Done hands you a slightly more detailed spec sheet. Weight, torque/power curves, aero behaviour, spring/damper values (tho I actually don't think those games used detail this fine) It probably had no model at all, or a placeholder.
not really a secret car imo but i think i have a special mention for GT6: the BMW M3 GT2 Base Model the car is normally inaccessible in the dealership, it can only appear in the dealership if you select the BMW M3 GT2 in arcade mode and do a race with it edit: you don't need to complete a full race with it, you can just enter the race start menu then leave and it will still appear in the dealership
As someone who's fortunate enough to have played the auto show build of GT6 and drive the Hyundai Vision GT, it's always confused me how the car was fully playable in the game, but polyphony decided to leave it out. Thank you for covering this!
My guess is that they decided to release the car for gt sport due to how the car looks. Unlike most gt6 vision gt cars that i’ve seen so far, the hyundai actually looks like it could be made and race in real life at some point in the near future, like a decade from when it was first shown. It contrasts itself with the existing vision gt cars in gt6 which many if not all of them have a fantastical and highly futuristic look to it. With gt sport planned to be a more grounded take on the series compared to previous entries, they probably thought why not shelve the car for now and release it in gt sport since it definitely blends itself better with the more grounded and serious aesthetic and atmosphere of the game
@@e-money9251 Some of those Vision GT cars were actually built in real life and were fully drivable though. Volkswagen built a Vision GT car in real life (which you can see in this video). There was a company (forgot what it's name was) which took SLS AMG Black Series cars and turned them into Mercedes Benz Vision GT cars for wealthy customers, one of those cars was even driven by Ben Affleck's Batman in the Snyderverse movies. I think Hyundai found out about Gran Turismo Sport being in development and decided that it would be better publicity for them to officially introduce the car through GT Sport instead of in an update in GT6.
@@CyanRooper i mostly refer to how the hyundai looks like it could be feasibly made and raced by hyundai themselves which actually corroborates with your theory that they withhold the car from gt6 because it would generate better publicity if it first appeared in gt sport, the “grounded” entry of the series. Meanwhile, while indeed there are vgt cars that exist in real life many of them are part of the gt sport lineup of VGTs, like the audi e tron vgt and bugatti vgt. I heard about the mercedes being planned to be built but it was never confirmed if they ever went through with it since Mercedes were and still is very strict when it comes to licensing their concept car to be built as is, the justice league vgt is actually a personal request by zack snyder himself to Mercedes. The golf meanwhile is a somewhat unique case as it was based on an actual drivable golf gti concept, the golf design vision gti, so i imagined it wouldn’t be too difficult to make a full size probably drivable version of said car, kinda like the lexus vgt and the lf lc
An interesting thing I've noticed while watching this video is seen at 6:13 . In the background of this shot on the Nürburgring there is an advertisement board for Opel saying: Wir sind Opel (We are Opel). Now, most people who have played GTS will tell you that Opel cars aren't in the game. In fact they have been absent from GT since GT6. This was later changed with this section of the Nordschleife getting AMG advertisements instead. However you can still find Opel logos on the Nordschleife as part of the Graffiti on the track. One of them right before the "Bellof-S" section even has text reads: "Go Manta Go". Most likely a massage for the Legendary Kissling Motorsport Opel Manta B which has a total of 21 Starts at the 24 hours of Nürburgring. Quite incredible for a car that's nearly 40 years old.
I really wish that the Dome S102 had made it into Gran Turismo. The Dome zero was already an obscure but memorable addition, racing the lmp car with it’s minimalist white livery would’ve been pretty cool.
Always appreciate the shout-outs and I love these thorough videos you make! btw you have no idea how many attempts it took me to get the Polo to appear in an Event Synthesizer race in GT2 haha.
Well without your videos I wouldn't be making stuff like this at all! P. S. I tried looking for other footage of someone getting the Polo to load but it seems like you might be the only person on TH-cam who's done it lol
Fun fact about the CLK GTR , Mercedes actually secretly bought a privateer McLaren F1 GTR (chassis 11R) and modified it , using it a test bed for their eventual CLK GTR. They swapped their own powerplant in, along with their own aero bits. Even though they made sure to have no Mercedes logos on it, during testing it had a crash and with the media taking interest, they stopped using the test car. Thankfully , Mercedes did restore the F1 GTR to its original spec and quietly sold it in an auction. The new owner then did a conversion to make it road legal.
Hi from Japan. Can confirm from the Best Motoring video that Polyphony created a special version (Kaz himself confirms) simulating the Dome S102 in engine power, gearing, weight, drive feel for training purpose of the Le Man rookies. Clearly a one-off so I highly doubt they did any modeling hence no footage.
I remember biking to my local GameStop once a week to play demos and I remember playing the GT5 demo at Indy RELIGIOUSLY. I always chose Dale Earnhardt Jr's car and I remember the wing, so it's interesting that it wasn't in the final release.
I would like to add some cars that I think should also have been mentioned. GTC: • 350Z Razo version - It was essentially a "350Z" Gran Turismo Aero, with a Razo livery and tinted headlights. • Peugeot 106 '01 - In GTC, the secretly included 106 was a 2001 model. However I'm not sure if it had major differences to the '03. • Civic Type R EP with CTR EK colours. (Additionally, there was a model of the Del Sol with a white colour, which was never seen again.) GT3: • R34 GT-R M-Spec '01 - An almost finished GT-R, that was cut from the game. It also features menu graphics, and its banner is styled in the same way as beta car banners. GT3 Beta/GTC • Ford Mustang SVT Cobra '99 - The beta versions of GT3 & some versions of GTC have a hidden Mustang model representing the car from GT2. Its day model was essentially finished for early beta standards. It also featured complete physics in GT3 beta, so it was actually driveable. Additionally, I believe the "Dome S102" they were driving was most likely using a placeholder model from another car, but they probably had modeled the physics accurate to the real thing. Otherwise it wouldn't have helped the drivers very much if they were using other cars.
> sign exclusivity deal with Mercedes Benz to feature the CLK GTR in Need for Speed > put said car in only 3 games in the entire franchise > refuse to offer an explanation > leave
Overall, I loved your take on Gran Turismo's secret/scrapped cars; covering them in the right amount of detail and giving your take on why they were scrapped. While I have known about most of these cars at this point myself, I just love hearing someone else's commentary on them. For what you said regarding the 406, a common idea that fans will say (I know because fans have constantly told me this on my videos) it's down to PD's bias towards Japanese cars. They'll allow special treatment of their home country's brands in giving them a million variations while with foreign brands to them; they'll just go "ehhhh". In which, there is merit to that argument as there's quite a few cars that PD didn't necessarily have to get rid of, but choose to anyway. Like the 1999 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra that was hidden in early builds of GT3 that was never finished, the BMW e46 328ci that was in GT2-3 and dropped in GT4, and the Ford GT40 Mk.1 road car that was in GT3 and was dropped in GT4 for some reason. As for what cars I wished made it to their respective Gran Turismo games. The Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR in GT2 is at the top of my list; I'm still salty they let that model out of the game because of EA's interference. Second place would be Kaz's Porsche 996 GT3 in Gran Turismo 3 and 3rd is the Dome S102 race car. I do believe you in saying the Dome is pure vaporware as I believe PD would've put effort into modelling it by GT5 if it wasn't. With that said, they really should've put time into modelling and licensing it. It could've made for another good LMP competitor in GT5 & 6, but PD didn't want to put in the effort in doing that.
At first I thought for sure the sound of the fake Dome was a diesel, but considering there were no diesel’s in GT4, it probably sounds closest to a V6. The only V6 LMP car in GT4 is the Pescarolo Courage Judd, so that is my conclusion
Hearing about the cut cars from GT Concept was particularly interesting - I had no idea about those before this video. A video idea I did have is, since you've looked at and rated every mainline Gran Turismo game's implementation of endurance races and rallying, what about doing the same format for the licence tests in each game? There's a surprising amount of variety within these tests between games, such as how (un)fair the difficulty is, and how well they actually teach the player to become a better driver.
Regarding the Dome S102 in GT5P it seems like at least based on the RPM limit of 7500 in-game the engine in question is not the one actually used by the S102. The real-life car ran with a Judd GV5.5 S2 engine which as far as I found only raced at a restricted 7000RPM and which unrestricted could go up to 10000RPM anyways. GT4 however features some other LMP1 cars which also used a Judd engine, the 2004 and 2005 Pescarolo Courages, which used an earlier and smaller version of the same engine, the GV5, which also in GT4 has the same redline of 7500RPM. This could suggest Polyphony reused some of the data from those previous models to create a "Dome S102" at least on paper which to use in the game, which I believe they did since there exists a text string of the model even if that "car" was only a reused chassis of a previous LMP1 car from GT4 with a few values tweaked.
I was ready to type a comment saying many cars were missed in this video. But at the end I'm glad you mentioned the fact not every cut car was featured. One thing I'd like to be researched is GT5/6 and everything surrounding it. The PS3 era of GT is full of unused content which would be great to be shown off to more people. The weird wedding build of the game is one I'd love to know more about and I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned in this video since pictures and footage does exist of it. That build in particular features a 599, Roadster and a DB9 volante which is never seen in any other game as only the Coupe is seen. There's also the fact that GT5 has most of GT4 content still inside of it and old tracks can still be loaded. Most likely being remnants of what GT HD was meant to be. It would be great to see stuff like this shown off to the growing audience on this channel!
Regaeding GT2, some of the missing cars in question is actually in Project A-Spec, a mod for that said game, especially The Volkswagen Polo, which is playable inside the mod and can be purchased in the dealership.
Being a NASCAR fan, I knew about the 2009 Bodies getting scrapped and replaced with the 2010 bodies, but I never knew about the PSP version's files referencing the demo bodies, including a 4th Demo body. So maybe Polyphony was trying to get the Dodge Charger implemented alongside the other COTs but negotiations fell through at some point
I've been playing Gran Turismo since 2005 when I got started with GT4. And have been obsessed with the series ever since. And not ONCE have I ever heard about the CLK-LM/GTR differences. The more you know. Great video!
Roflwaffle doing a Gran Turismo secret cars video? HELL YEAH! What a great day to be a fan of Roflwaffle. I would love if you went over the text only cars discovered in the GT series as well.
33:15 The McLaren MP4/13 probably wasn't just for testing, the IRL cars had sponsorship from West, a German cigarette brand. With how the Winfield logos were modified on the eventually-cut '98 Rally Australia Mäkinen Evo, Polyphony must've been testing the limits of how close they could get with their depictions without getting the game's ESRB rating bumped from E for Everyone, up to perhaps T for Teen. However, the top view of the in-game MP4/13 still has the original West logo on the top of the car, right in front of the driver, so unless there are still some Polyphony employees from the development of GT2 with some insight, we may never know for sure.
Another very interesting thing is that GT Concept cars can be backported directly to GT3 and are mostly functional as-is. Additionally, the 99' Mustang SVT Cobra's body was present in some earlier GT3 demos iirc, but it likely was replaced by the SVT Cobra R in the final game.
Speaking of cut content, I can recall the pain of detailed Impreza WRC 2000 from earlier build GT HD never made it onward. Pretty sure there are existing chassis to model on, but Polyphony still refuse to do the work. For the Stratos, I'm afraid the OG vehicle is impossible to include authentically (as seen in PS3 titles) due to the issue of the livery's sponsor, Alitalia (now known as ITA Airways). And awesome for try to make sense of the Dome S102 story-which begs the question did Dome or Sega disallowed the Mother Chassis JAF-GT300 cars appearing in Gran Turismo?
Quick clarification on the Polo opponent in GT2 - the game has one big list of opponents, and the data for each event lists which opponents from that list it uses (e.g. number 123, 124, 125, 126). The Polo exists in the opponent list, but the Compact races don't use it, hence why it doesn't show up in them. Its opponent number however is in the middle of the opponents that actually are used, implying that it was once used there too. The game also has a setting per car which can hide it from specific regions / languages. For example, this is used to make Vauxhall opponents only show up in PAL English, and Opel opponents only show up in the other languages, or to restrict Acura to the US version only. Most of the unused / incomplete cars (including the CLK RC) have this set to hide the car in all regions. The Polo however is the odd one out, and is not hidden in any region, which is why it can pop up in the Event Generator.
Luckily it didn't stop modders. There's an Assetto Corsa mod for it that's so well simulated, you can actually get it to lift off just like the real one.
The flying isn't even exclusive to the CLR. The 911 GT1's also had issues with taking off at certain tracks, but that isn't nearly as memorable as the same model taking off 3 times in a single event. It was mostly due to the overhang allowed by the regulations at the time that caused the issues. I'm surprised none of the F1's had such issues; Mercedes would've probably bought the crashed chassis and cannibalised them like they did with the street car during the CLK GTR development lol.
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head, Mercedes want absolutely nothing to do with the CLR to the point where the remaining surviving chassis from the event was auctioned off to a private collector. Getting a license to use this car from Mercedes is practically impossible.
@@e-money9251 I think he's talking about both versions of F1's. It's unique for being legal hypercar that later became racing car, in comparence with other GT1's cars that produced road cars for regulations. For me, F1 is the best GT1 Ever😁
the dome lemans prototype situation you mentioned is highly because for racing driver to drive the virtual car,a well-made 3d model isnt needed anyway,what is more important is the physic data of the car which needs far less time for developers to write than a process of PS3 graded model creating workflow for a dome s102 for a fairly simple physic model of GT5,thats probably why they can make the drivable in-game car in short time.
another cool thing about the car of tomorrow: the front lip. the original cot had that weird hole in the grill with the bars holding the lip. it caused an issue where if a car went into the grass, the lip would get stuck in the ground and total the car. when the wing was removed, they also removed the weird grill and the lip. i'm not a gt player so i might be wrong, but the footage you showed of the post refresh cot in gt5 had the spoiler, but the front lip was still the old one. it seems like the gt5 cot is some weird pre and post facelift hybrid
46:19 if you do, i hope the BMW Z4 GT300 from the Good Smile Racing team is mentioned (one of their many Hatsune Miku race cars), it would have made for a really unique looking car, akin to the BMW E92 GT2 Art Car in Forza. Also because many players make, and use itasha/anime cars from GT Sport onwards, and of course, GSR is one of, if not the most popular one
You know, I actually having more fun listening to Roffwaffle need to explain about the difference of CLK GTR, CLK LM, and CLR And funny how the in-game CLK LM still using the wrong wheel since GT4, despite people praising GT7 to have *the most accurate car model* (I do think it'd be one more reason that Roffwaffle was right about GT Sport and 7 could have brought back the same premium car model from previous PS3 GT) Anyway, answer for the end question, is the Dome S102 itself, I'd like to see the car appears for real in GT, and no more as a myth
11:07 random, but I saw that wreck live on TV; I was playing Midnight Club 3 on my PSP and my grandfather went "Jeeeesus" as I heard it unfold, I look up and that car is just tumbling down the track 😳 Forever burned into my memory lmao
The Porsche GT3 is actually obtainable in Gran Turismo 3 but with codes. And in the NA version, the Diablo is also obtainable with codes, like you mentioned lol
So, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Japan & Korea have had a rocky relationship for many, many years. What this means, is that you seldom see Korean cars running around in Japan; and from what I've seen in Gran Turismo the past 25+ years, is that Polyphony Digital (a Japanese company), has seldom featured Korean cars in their games. Of course, older titles gave us the Accent Rally Car; and later GT games gave us the Tiburon and a few other Korean cars. But it is no small coincidence that Gran Turismo has featured numerous cars from every other major automaker; but not from Kia & Hyundai. As Korea does produce some pretty AWESOME cars these days, I hope the attitudes towards Korean cars will change amongst Polyphony Digital in the years to come.
7:35 fast forward to today and news headlines say a sub-GR86, possibly the S-FR or based on the S-FR is in actual development to go against the MX5/Miata apparently.
When I was a little kid growing, I our neighbor had kids that were around the same age that I was (7 to 8 years old) and one of them was "slow" and every time he came over to our house, he would chew on the hotwheels and matchbox cars that we had. They were all chewed up!
17:35 Somewhat rushed development but still has one of the most impressive car lists in any Gran Turismo titles! So many cars and even tracks never returned afterwards… Love Gran Turismo 2!
For sure, the Dome's drivers were driving another Le Mans car already in game. To find out which one it was, not only the sound of the car could be helpful (even if it wasn't very accurate back in time), but maybe (maybe) even the rpm showed on the rev counter could be a clue
It might have been the Pescarolo-Courage - Judd GV5 '04... it's featured in GT5 and uses the same engine as the Dome (or rather, the Dome uses the same Judd engine)
the Hyundai N24 VGT was also drivable at the New York Auto Show at the Javits Center, I believe that same year- they had a booth & cockpit setup on the main floor, where people could queue up to drive it-it was a time trial around one of the Matterhorn layouts, and oddly on Sports tyres, as opposed to proper racing ones I remember trying it, taking a couple photos, and posting about it at the time but I think those accounts are lost by now, I'll have to dig a bit
I assume it's well known but GT Concept has a number of leftover tracks from GT3 within the games files. This includes the likes of SSR11, Monaco and Test Course.
Also, you forgot to mention that the Porsche 911 GT3 996, along with its successor, the 997, was first seen ahead of the update as drivable cars during the Nations Cup segment of the 2018 Gran Turismo World Tour at Red Bull Hangar-7 in Austria. Surprised you didn't mention that part, considering that it was a huge deal among people who originally watched the livestream.
23:55 THANK YOU I’m so tired of on any post of a CLK GTR a bunch of comments about “it makes it good airplane too!!!! That thing really flies!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣”
In Gt sport, there are 3 cars that i found out about a while back. First: "Mazda Roadster S N200 (Tuned)" (Images of this variant can be seen in some pre-release videos and screenshots of the game) Second: "Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Final Edition N300" (It has an unused thumbnail that was used for the mission challenge in early stages, i think) Third: Now this one's interesting. It's a "Volkswagen Golf VII GTI" with rally modifications. It even has a render showing it off, but never made it into the final game
30:04 One of the speculations why Lancia Stratos were cut from GT3 is the visual glitch which can be seen in this footage. Front tires is breaking through front fenders.
I think it would be interesting to have a video about the history of drag racing/zero-yon in Gran Turismo, if only there's enough information on the subject to make a meaningful video.
Would be cool. Knowing GT2 had drag planned yet GT4 has the Las Vegas Strip, Sega GT Dreamcast had it which being a GT1 or 2 competitor was interesting. Forza Motorsport 3 or 4 among other games had it always was interesting seeing how they presented drag racing. Not an area I know enough about but would be curious. Then again a comparison of oh PS2 racers or Xbox racers would be a fair dive as well. Or locations in racing games. Just seeing the 4 different ways the Nurburgring was done in PGR2, GT4, Forza Motorsport and Enthusia in a Digital Foundry video was like wow whether the time they got photos or thought it would suit the look of the track it is cool. Or PGR city layouts or other tracks just being fun to drive on. Original tracks in games not real locations.
As I started watching NASCAR as a rugrat around 2009 and 2010, I do have a lot of nostalgia for the COT but I must admit that the huge GT style wings were definitely a low point for the cup series
Those time trials in arcade mode in Gran Turismo three A-Spec, back in the day: I beat the developer times so many times the only names on the record, were my own !!! Complex string is a course I wish would have stayed in Gran Turismo for the long run, it was such a fun course!!
You are missing 2 additional hidden VGT cars which were shown on the website but never made it to GTSport. A modified VW VGT for the Gr.B class featuring foglights, raised suspension and other racing bits. Also the ISO Rivolta Zagato with an additional huge GT wing attatched, propbably intended for the Gr.3 class, again, shown on the website but never released in that config. These were fully 3D models clearly rendered in the GTSport engine.
honestly my best guess for what the dome clip's actual car was would probably be the audi 8 or r15 (I can't remember what they called it). Either that or the peugot from the same era. that engine sound is very disticntly a turbo diesel to me, which would also explain the spin you showed one of the drivers have early in the clips, since the torque comes on way earlier in the powerband. I know personally from playing forza motorsport 4 that both of those cars had odd lines at le mans and were easy to spin being diesels (I know that's not the best comparison since different handling models, but driving characteristics usually stay similar between cars). The audi especially liked to turn in way quicker than you'd expect, and one of the drivers nearly hits the inside wall going into the first chicane in one of the clips. To me though, the thing that seals it is the acceleration mixed with the lower engine notes. Both the audi and peugot had fairly low rev limiters, only around 3500 rpm, but both cars accelerated very quickly, even for high level racing standards, and seeing how quickly they were able to go on the mulsanne from 200 to 300, it really makes me think it would be the audi.
44:51 if I have to guess, I'm sure it was the GT-ONE that was driven in the le-mans The only reason I say this is because the GT-ONE front body resembles A LOT with S-102
Your next video should be 'Hidden Racetracks of GT' 😁 BTW, I remember maybe around 8 years ago on some obscure website, someone managed to find evidence of Gunsai Touge in GT4 files or something, or maybe from the devkits, it was a long time ago and I did save the images on my old computer, but that was fried from a lightning strike a while back... :( I know it may sound like utter bs, but I think it's worth looking into, it was also on the same site page they found evidence that Vemac was meant to be in the game somehow. Again this was all 8+ years ago so my memory is not perfect, but I really hope I wasnt seeing things.
Its not a secret car, but more rather a paintjob. On GT Sport but if you won a audi r18 on a ticket, i got it once with the livery with dirt marks, like at the end of the 24 hours of le mans.
The largest GT secret for me is, why they never feature the Suzuki Swift Sport ZC32S. In GT5/6, there even is the original ZC31S and the facelift. In GT7, they just feature the facelifted ZC31S and the ZC33S. I don't know if the ZC32S is even featured in any video game at all. Never found it.
Another thing to mention is, how in GT5 & 6 theres both '05 and' 07 model years for the ZC31S Swift Sport, despite having no apparent differences (akin to the EA11R and 21R Cappuccinos, but even then, in GT6, the EA21R has different looking areo/bodykits, most notably, a bumper similar to the one found in the Initial D series, instead of reusing the 11R parts like GT5 did)
In an early trailer for GT PSP there was a Peugeot 908 Hdi with the Pescarolo livery, it was never featured in the game or any games since. The car itself, yes of course, but never in that livery. I sadly cannot provide any more information. I was a big fan of the car at the time so it was easyly recognised by me.
You forget to mention one of the series top mystery cars - Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car '99 Premium model. For the first time I have saw it on the GT HD press disc (yeah, there were cd’s with only press materials even for demos like GT HD). It was on two screenshots. I was curious back then and launched GT HD but it wasn’t there. It wasn’t in any Gran Turismo game really. It’s a really mystery that fully detailed premium model have never appeared in GT HD, GT5, GT6 or even GT7. But GT5 and GT6 have the same ‘99 rally Impreza but only Standard version. It was so poorly detailed in GT6 by the way. Looks like game developers never tried to make it look better for GT6. Anyway, they just fully modelled this Impreza in premium for GT HD, showed it on a few videos and screenshots and then just throw it away completely from the serious. I am very curious, what should went so wrong so they decided to cut this car entirely without a chance to come back later. 😢
Funny thing is, if you look at the front of the Toyota SF-R, it sorta looks like the Daihatsu Copen GR-SPORT trim. Maybe GR took inspiration from the SF-R? Just something that hit me once i saw the yellow boi
I remember when i had gt5 on ps3 and got a flashdrive and used a wizard to open and use some of the game files containing those secret cars. My ps3 soon broke after i started playing old Cod's online like b02 and ghosts. Would really enjoy getting the chance to play with it again.
Hallo. Regarding the sound of the "Dome" in the best MOTOring clip i listened carefully many times with the full volume of my setup. My conclusion is tnat the sound file used is one from the previous games that is meant to simulate an M series Mercedes V8. Of course since it was a special build they could have done whatever changes they wanted but when it comes to GT4 GT PSP GT5 & GT6 *None of the LMPs ever used that engine sound* . So with that said my best guess is that it was a modified file of the 2002 SL 55 AMG.
17:59 Pretty good pronunciation of Mäkinen right there. Sounded pretty fluent. Tommi had an extra 'h' when you said the 'T' but that's a minor detail. Trying to pronounce anything Finnish can be very difficult, so I just had to compliment you for that.
There was a VGT that was from Volvo that came to any of the games even today. Im gonna be honest that VGT is really beautiful and it's a shame that it never came to life in the games.
Just to let you know, on certain mobile phones (and, as far as I know, it only works on smart phones, as it doesn't work on desktops or laptops or even other mobile devices [trust me, i checked]), there is an option under subtitles to translate non-english spoken videos. Just click the symbol on the upper right screen on your phone, press 'Captions', click 'Auto-translate', then 'English'. I dunno if it works on all smart phones, but it works on my phone. I'll use it in the Best MOTORing Dome video to translate it as best as i can. 🙂
"Gran Turismo on the PSP, which was being developed alongside GT5, does contain text data for four generic NASCAR models." Hmm, the fact that there were four of them makes me wonder if there was originally supposed to be a Dodge, which never had any of their teams represented in GT's NASCAR content despite being the fourth manufacturer in the series at the time, but now that I'm writing this I think there are some other possibilities as to what NASCAR DEMOs Type A-D could be. Those of you who know your NASCAR might have noticed that the E3 2009 trailer only includes Chevrolet and Toyota, no Fords, and the entire pack of cars is made up of different driver/livery/color variations of entries from only four teams. Those being Hendrick, Stewart-Haas, JGR and MWR. Maybe those types A-D are broken down by the real-world team each livery belonged to instead of by manufacturer, but I've got another theory that might be closer to the right answer. There was a short, post-credit trailer scene in Gran Turismo PSP featuring NASCAR that appeared to be from an even earlier stage in development, even though the release of GT PSP was a few months after E3 2009. This trailer showed only four of the skins from the E3 trailer as shown in this video: Jeff Gordon DuPont (2009 version), Jimmie Johnson Lowe's, Tony Stewart Old Spice, and Dale Earnhardt Jr. National Guard. It just makes logical sense for the four NASCAR variations referenced in the code to be the same four that are visible in a trailer that is also in that same game's files.
The NASCAR cut is one that I honestly can't understand, especially when they seem to be pretty much done (and even weirder when on Spec 2.0 they added the '11 cars lol)
10:46 thank you for talking about NASCAR and GT 😭 I feel like these cars aren't appreciated as much as they should be.I've made a fire road course set up and I've won every endurance event that I can enter the Stock Cars into in GT5 (minus the two 24s and the Indy 500). GT6 they made the cars terrible for some reason, idk y. I would love to see them come back into GT, especially with the new Next Gen car which is a bit more compatible with road course racing.....or the version even more compatible with road course racing, the G56 entry
I'm Japanese. I checked the video about Dome S102.
The video begins with racing driver Daisuke Ito wanting to check out the course before his first attempt at Le Mans.
Afterwards, the Best MOTORing editorial team visited Polyphony Digital's studio and asked them to create a special simulator.
Producer Kazunori Yamauchi readily agreed to this request, and a simulator exclusively for Daisuke Ito was created.
Kazunori Yamauchi clearly states in the video, "We created a special version of Gran Turismo."
Therefore, we can see that the Dome S102 is a model created for this version and has no relation to the released version.
(Sorry if there are any translation mistakes.)
Holy crap this was great
Rofl better pin this!
ども ありがと! (Thank you in japanese)
Slow 👏
大丈夫です、英語👌
Fun fact. The cars raced in NASCAR in 2009 have never been officially licensed in any video game. NASCAR 09 featured the 2008 cars, and NASCAR The game 2011 featured the 2010 cars.
NASCAR the game 2011 had both 2010 as well as the 2011 cars.
@404TVfr no the NASCAR game he referred to was called "NASCAR the 2011"- I get the point you made though reading this out load 😂😂
i thought Iracing had the 2009 COT
@@diegosaenz9989 The 2008 and 2009 COT's are all the same bodies. I believe iRacing had the 2008 COT and didn't update it until 2010 when they went back to the spoilers. I was more specifically referring to official licensing of paint schemes of the 2009 NASCAR season.
@@TankSlappr ohhhh i see
41:29
Well, I'm Japanese and saw the episode in the description.
In the episode, the game was mentioned as:
1. Using "Secret data" of S102 by dome to build virtual counterpart of the car.
2. It is the Special build of the game to let both drivers of Ito and Kataoka, who had never been in salthe circuit, to learn the track with Tsutiya.
and no more mention about the game itself in the video.
I think the car exists in only the special build sown in Best Motoring, without body models. The possible reason to PDI to ditch the car, is mentioned in the beginning of the best motoring; "Daisuke Ito has injured at July 11, 2008, while filming HotVersion (another Japanese video series featuring car culture, specially in tuned vehicle)." PD seemingly avoid the race car that caused injury in real life just like Mercedes CLR.
I hope this will help you.
I would guess Polyphony did create this car - but only the physics model, not the visual model. In racing games all this is independent from each other (only like BeamNG is different)
Making the physics for the GT4/5 engine may be a days work when Done hands you a slightly more detailed spec sheet. Weight, torque/power curves, aero behaviour, spring/damper values (tho I actually don't think those games used detail this fine)
It probably had no model at all, or a placeholder.
not really a secret car imo but i think i have a special mention for GT6:
the BMW M3 GT2 Base Model
the car is normally inaccessible in the dealership, it can only appear in the dealership if you select the BMW M3 GT2 in arcade mode and do a race with it
edit: you don't need to complete a full race with it, you can just enter the race start menu then leave and it will still appear in the dealership
that's really specific. wonder why it's otherwise inaccessible in the dealership. Unintended bug maybe?
@@Kurzovor an easter egg, GT6 also had a weird easter egg trophy, by knocking down the blue tyres on the final corner of Mount Panorama
@@JinteiModdingnext to the pedigri banner i guess. it was hard to find
22:17 I’m not sure if by “the stats were based on” you weren’t including this, but the 95 c class dtm was rwd, not awd
As someone who's fortunate enough to have played the auto show build of GT6 and drive the Hyundai Vision GT, it's always confused me how the car was fully playable in the game, but polyphony decided to leave it out. Thank you for covering this!
My guess is that they decided to release the car for gt sport due to how the car looks. Unlike most gt6 vision gt cars that i’ve seen so far, the hyundai actually looks like it could be made and race in real life at some point in the near future, like a decade from when it was first shown. It contrasts itself with the existing vision gt cars in gt6 which many if not all of them have a fantastical and highly futuristic look to it. With gt sport planned to be a more grounded take on the series compared to previous entries, they probably thought why not shelve the car for now and release it in gt sport since it definitely blends itself better with the more grounded and serious aesthetic and atmosphere of the game
@@e-money9251 Some of those Vision GT cars were actually built in real life and were fully drivable though. Volkswagen built a Vision GT car in real life (which you can see in this video). There was a company (forgot what it's name was) which took SLS AMG Black Series cars and turned them into Mercedes Benz Vision GT cars for wealthy customers, one of those cars was even driven by Ben Affleck's Batman in the Snyderverse movies. I think Hyundai found out about Gran Turismo Sport being in development and decided that it would be better publicity for them to officially introduce the car through GT Sport instead of in an update in GT6.
@@CyanRooper i mostly refer to how the hyundai looks like it could be feasibly made and raced by hyundai themselves which actually corroborates with your theory that they withhold the car from gt6 because it would generate better publicity if it first appeared in gt sport, the “grounded” entry of the series. Meanwhile, while indeed there are vgt cars that exist in real life many of them are part of the gt sport lineup of VGTs, like the audi e tron vgt and bugatti vgt. I heard about the mercedes being planned to be built but it was never confirmed if they ever went through with it since Mercedes were and still is very strict when it comes to licensing their concept car to be built as is, the justice league vgt is actually a personal request by zack snyder himself to Mercedes. The golf meanwhile is a somewhat unique case as it was based on an actual drivable golf gti concept, the golf design vision gti, so i imagined it wouldn’t be too difficult to make a full size probably drivable version of said car, kinda like the lexus vgt and the lf lc
@@e-money9251I too played that build in 2017 🙌
An interesting thing I've noticed while watching this video is seen at 6:13 .
In the background of this shot on the Nürburgring there is an advertisement board for Opel saying: Wir sind Opel (We are Opel). Now, most people who have played GTS will tell you that Opel cars aren't in the game. In fact they have been absent from GT since GT6. This was later changed with this section of the Nordschleife getting AMG advertisements instead. However you can still find Opel logos on the Nordschleife as part of the Graffiti on the track. One of them right before the "Bellof-S" section even has text reads: "Go Manta Go". Most likely a massage for the Legendary Kissling Motorsport Opel Manta B which has a total of 21 Starts at the 24 hours of Nürburgring. Quite incredible for a car that's nearly 40 years old.
Yeah it was most of the time Vauxhall instead of Opel.
what you mean "-no Opel in game" when there is amazing Opel Calibra Touring Car with 15000 rpm engine in Gran Turismo 2, how could you miss it
@timsdav as in: after GT6. I'm fully aware that Opel first appeared in GT2. I never said that they were never part of the franchise.
I really wish that the Dome S102 had made it into Gran Turismo. The Dome zero was already an obscure but memorable addition, racing the lmp car with it’s minimalist white livery would’ve been pretty cool.
It's always fascinating to see race cars in minimallistic livery, especially if they are actual real life designs.
Always appreciate the shout-outs and I love these thorough videos you make! btw you have no idea how many attempts it took me to get the Polo to appear in an Event Synthesizer race in GT2 haha.
Well without your videos I wouldn't be making stuff like this at all!
P. S. I tried looking for other footage of someone getting the Polo to load but it seems like you might be the only person on TH-cam who's done it lol
Fun fact about the CLK GTR , Mercedes actually secretly bought a privateer McLaren F1 GTR (chassis 11R) and modified it , using it a test bed for their eventual CLK GTR. They swapped their own powerplant in, along with their own aero bits.
Even though they made sure to have no Mercedes logos on it, during testing it had a crash and with the media taking interest, they stopped using the test car.
Thankfully , Mercedes did restore the F1 GTR to its original spec and quietly sold it in an auction. The new owner then did a conversion to make it road legal.
One of my favorite automotive related stories. Could you imagine owning the car with that lore behind it?
The original Mercedes-powered F1 GTR was crashed in the famous El Jarama circuit
I was always disappointed that it got cut from the US release of Gran Turismo2…
The CLK-GTR that is..
@@DanArnets1492 And the remaining F1 GTR models, the ones we know and love, and BMW-powered.
@@turismofoegaming8806you can thank EA for that
Hi from Japan. Can confirm from the Best Motoring video that Polyphony created a special version (Kaz himself confirms) simulating the Dome S102 in engine power, gearing, weight, drive feel for training purpose of the Le Man rookies. Clearly a one-off so I highly doubt they did any modeling hence no footage.
I remember biking to my local GameStop once a week to play demos and I remember playing the GT5 demo at Indy RELIGIOUSLY. I always chose Dale Earnhardt Jr's car and I remember the wing, so it's interesting that it wasn't in the final release.
I played that demo so many times at target and best buy ♥️
I would like to add some cars that I think should also have been mentioned.
GTC:
• 350Z Razo version - It was essentially a "350Z" Gran Turismo Aero, with a Razo livery and tinted headlights.
• Peugeot 106 '01 - In GTC, the secretly included 106 was a 2001 model. However I'm not sure if it had major differences to the '03.
• Civic Type R EP with CTR EK colours. (Additionally, there was a model of the Del Sol with a white colour, which was never seen again.)
GT3:
• R34 GT-R M-Spec '01 - An almost finished GT-R, that was cut from the game. It also features menu graphics, and its banner is styled in the same way as beta car banners.
GT3 Beta/GTC
• Ford Mustang SVT Cobra '99 - The beta versions of GT3 & some versions of GTC have a hidden Mustang model representing the car from GT2. Its day model was essentially finished for early beta standards. It also featured complete physics in GT3 beta, so it was actually driveable.
Additionally, I believe the "Dome S102" they were driving was most likely using a placeholder model from another car, but they probably had modeled the physics accurate to the real thing. Otherwise it wouldn't have helped the drivers very much if they were using other cars.
27:34 they never stop, do they? This is one SINGLE car that has exclusivity with Need For Speed, despite not being used since 2002. Holy f*cking sh*t
> sign exclusivity deal with Mercedes Benz to feature the CLK GTR in Need for Speed
> put said car in only 3 games in the entire franchise
> refuse to offer an explanation
> leave
@@CyanRooper the ultimate business strategy lmao
@@CyanRooper EA already doing shady shit even in their golden era
The car was used last in 2017 in Forza motorsports 7
@@NeotheDarkspineyou mean the road legal version of the clk gtr? Cause that’s a whole other car
Overall, I loved your take on Gran Turismo's secret/scrapped cars; covering them in the right amount of detail and giving your take on why they were scrapped. While I have known about most of these cars at this point myself, I just love hearing someone else's commentary on them.
For what you said regarding the 406, a common idea that fans will say (I know because fans have constantly told me this on my videos) it's down to PD's bias towards Japanese cars. They'll allow special treatment of their home country's brands in giving them a million variations while with foreign brands to them; they'll just go "ehhhh". In which, there is merit to that argument as there's quite a few cars that PD didn't necessarily have to get rid of, but choose to anyway. Like the 1999 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra that was hidden in early builds of GT3 that was never finished, the BMW e46 328ci that was in GT2-3 and dropped in GT4, and the Ford GT40 Mk.1 road car that was in GT3 and was dropped in GT4 for some reason.
As for what cars I wished made it to their respective Gran Turismo games. The Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR in GT2 is at the top of my list; I'm still salty they let that model out of the game because of EA's interference. Second place would be Kaz's Porsche 996 GT3 in Gran Turismo 3 and 3rd is the Dome S102 race car. I do believe you in saying the Dome is pure vaporware as I believe PD would've put effort into modelling it by GT5 if it wasn't. With that said, they really should've put time into modelling and licensing it. It could've made for another good LMP competitor in GT5 & 6, but PD didn't want to put in the effort in doing that.
At first I thought for sure the sound of the fake Dome was a diesel, but considering there were no diesel’s in GT4, it probably sounds closest to a V6. The only V6 LMP car in GT4 is the Pescarolo Courage Judd, so that is my conclusion
*no diesel LMPs that is
@@RedCruuveare there deisile lmps irl at that point?
@@Randm_Shit Yes, the Audi R10 TDI was unveiled in 2005, although it didn't appear in GT games until GT5 (so not in GT5 Prologue)
@@Randm_Shit Now that i've checked, no. The first diesel LMP was the Audi R10 from 2006 (as in it was not in GT4 or GT5 prologue)
It sounds like a cross plane V8 to me and the car pitches a lot under braking. I'm not even sure it's a racecar
Hearing about the cut cars from GT Concept was particularly interesting - I had no idea about those before this video. A video idea I did have is, since you've looked at and rated every mainline Gran Turismo game's implementation of endurance races and rallying, what about doing the same format for the licence tests in each game? There's a surprising amount of variety within these tests between games, such as how (un)fair the difficulty is, and how well they actually teach the player to become a better driver.
Regarding the Dome S102 in GT5P it seems like at least based on the RPM limit of 7500 in-game the engine in question is not the one actually used by the S102. The real-life car ran with a Judd GV5.5 S2 engine which as far as I found only raced at a restricted 7000RPM and which unrestricted could go up to 10000RPM anyways.
GT4 however features some other LMP1 cars which also used a Judd engine, the 2004 and 2005 Pescarolo Courages, which used an earlier and smaller version of the same engine, the GV5, which also in GT4 has the same redline of 7500RPM. This could suggest Polyphony reused some of the data from those previous models to create a "Dome S102" at least on paper which to use in the game, which I believe they did since there exists a text string of the model even if that "car" was only a reused chassis of a previous LMP1 car from GT4 with a few values tweaked.
Yeah, I also immediately thought about the Pescarolo rather than the Audi R8
I was ready to type a comment saying many cars were missed in this video. But at the end I'm glad you mentioned the fact not every cut car was featured.
One thing I'd like to be researched is GT5/6 and everything surrounding it. The PS3 era of GT is full of unused content which would be great to be shown off to more people.
The weird wedding build of the game is one I'd love to know more about and I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned in this video since pictures and footage does exist of it. That build in particular features a 599, Roadster and a DB9 volante which is never seen in any other game as only the Coupe is seen.
There's also the fact that GT5 has most of GT4 content still inside of it and old tracks can still be loaded. Most likely being remnants of what GT HD was meant to be.
It would be great to see stuff like this shown off to the growing audience on this channel!
Regaeding GT2, some of the missing cars in question is actually in Project A-Spec, a mod for that said game, especially The Volkswagen Polo, which is playable inside the mod and can be purchased in the dealership.
yeah roflwaffle mentioned the aspec mod in the video when talking about the clr
A lot of original GT2 cut cars are bought back to life through GT2 Plus
33:20 lmao I love how the level of detail makes it change car models entirely
Being a NASCAR fan, I knew about the 2009 Bodies getting scrapped and replaced with the 2010 bodies, but I never knew about the PSP version's files referencing the demo bodies, including a 4th Demo body. So maybe Polyphony was trying to get the Dodge Charger implemented alongside the other COTs but negotiations fell through at some point
I've been playing Gran Turismo since 2005 when I got started with GT4. And have been obsessed with the series ever since. And not ONCE have I ever heard about the CLK-LM/GTR differences. The more you know. Great video!
33:18 Fun fact: It's also a play on the West Cigarettes livery on the original car (the wing even still says West on it).
FuN fAcT. Keep it tough yourself or just say what you know. Yall are so grating
Roflwaffle doing a Gran Turismo secret cars video? HELL YEAH! What a great day to be a fan of Roflwaffle. I would love if you went over the text only cars discovered in the GT series as well.
33:15 The McLaren MP4/13 probably wasn't just for testing, the IRL cars had sponsorship from West, a German cigarette brand. With how the Winfield logos were modified on the eventually-cut '98 Rally Australia Mäkinen Evo, Polyphony must've been testing the limits of how close they could get with their depictions without getting the game's ESRB rating bumped from E for Everyone, up to perhaps T for Teen. However, the top view of the in-game MP4/13 still has the original West logo on the top of the car, right in front of the driver, so unless there are still some Polyphony employees from the development of GT2 with some insight, we may never know for sure.
Another very interesting thing is that GT Concept cars can be backported directly to GT3 and are mostly functional as-is.
Additionally, the 99' Mustang SVT Cobra's body was present in some earlier GT3 demos iirc, but it likely was replaced by the SVT Cobra R in the final game.
Love junk's remix in the GT Concept segment, also, i Wish the '09 nascar cars and GT6 Hyundai VGT/Toyota SF-R builds someday get found
Speaking of cut content, I can recall the pain of detailed Impreza WRC 2000 from earlier build GT HD never made it onward. Pretty sure there are existing chassis to model on, but Polyphony still refuse to do the work.
For the Stratos, I'm afraid the OG vehicle is impossible to include authentically (as seen in PS3 titles) due to the issue of the livery's sponsor, Alitalia (now known as ITA Airways).
And awesome for try to make sense of the Dome S102 story-which begs the question did Dome or Sega disallowed the Mother Chassis JAF-GT300 cars appearing in Gran Turismo?
Quick clarification on the Polo opponent in GT2 - the game has one big list of opponents, and the data for each event lists which opponents from that list it uses (e.g. number 123, 124, 125, 126). The Polo exists in the opponent list, but the Compact races don't use it, hence why it doesn't show up in them. Its opponent number however is in the middle of the opponents that actually are used, implying that it was once used there too.
The game also has a setting per car which can hide it from specific regions / languages. For example, this is used to make Vauxhall opponents only show up in PAL English, and Opel opponents only show up in the other languages, or to restrict Acura to the US version only. Most of the unused / incomplete cars (including the CLK RC) have this set to hide the car in all regions. The Polo however is the odd one out, and is not hidden in any region, which is why it can pop up in the Event Generator.
Mercedes must've been so ashamed of the CLR they prevented racing game devs to implement it.
Luckily it didn't stop modders. There's an Assetto Corsa mod for it that's so well simulated, you can actually get it to lift off just like the real one.
The flying isn't even exclusive to the CLR. The 911 GT1's also had issues with taking off at certain tracks, but that isn't nearly as memorable as the same model taking off 3 times in a single event. It was mostly due to the overhang allowed by the regulations at the time that caused the issues. I'm surprised none of the F1's had such issues; Mercedes would've probably bought the crashed chassis and cannibalised them like they did with the street car during the CLK GTR development lol.
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head, Mercedes want absolutely nothing to do with the CLR to the point where the remaining surviving chassis from the event was auctioned off to a private collector. Getting a license to use this car from Mercedes is practically impossible.
@@stuntvist are we talking about the mclaren f1 longtail here?
@@e-money9251 I think he's talking about both versions of F1's. It's unique for being legal hypercar that later became racing car, in comparence with other GT1's cars that produced road cars for regulations. For me, F1 is the best GT1 Ever😁
Discovered your channel 3 days ago and I've been binging nearly all the content you have on here, great addition to the GT community
the dome lemans prototype situation you mentioned is highly because for racing driver to drive the virtual car,a well-made 3d model isnt needed anyway,what is more important is the physic data of the car which needs far less time for developers to write than a process of PS3 graded model creating workflow for a dome s102 for a fairly simple physic model of GT5,thats probably why they can make the drivable in-game car in short time.
another cool thing about the car of tomorrow: the front lip. the original cot had that weird hole in the grill with the bars holding the lip. it caused an issue where if a car went into the grass, the lip would get stuck in the ground and total the car. when the wing was removed, they also removed the weird grill and the lip. i'm not a gt player so i might be wrong, but the footage you showed of the post refresh cot in gt5 had the spoiler, but the front lip was still the old one. it seems like the gt5 cot is some weird pre and post facelift hybrid
28:20 *Barely audible* "The Mercedes has taken off..."
Had to get one last jab in an the infamous flying Mercedes didn't 'cha? 😂
Never played a Gran Turismo in my life, but i'm a big fan of racing games, your videos always keep me hooked, keep up the good work man!
46:19 if you do, i hope the BMW Z4 GT300 from the Good Smile Racing team is mentioned (one of their many Hatsune Miku race cars), it would have made for a really unique looking car, akin to the BMW E92 GT2 Art Car in Forza. Also because many players make, and use itasha/anime cars from GT Sport onwards, and of course, GSR is one of, if not the most popular one
Also shoutouts to EVA Racing and Team Mach for more anime-inspired teams.
someone should travel back in time and tell the drivers to drive the dome in third person
You know, I actually having more fun listening to Roffwaffle need to explain about the difference of CLK GTR, CLK LM, and CLR
And funny how the in-game CLK LM still using the wrong wheel since GT4, despite people praising GT7 to have *the most accurate car model* (I do think it'd be one more reason that Roffwaffle was right about GT Sport and 7 could have brought back the same premium car model from previous PS3 GT)
Anyway, answer for the end question, is the Dome S102 itself, I'd like to see the car appears for real in GT, and no more as a myth
11:07 random, but I saw that wreck live on TV; I was playing Midnight Club 3 on my PSP and my grandfather went "Jeeeesus" as I heard it unfold, I look up and that car is just tumbling down the track 😳
Forever burned into my memory lmao
It's a good day to be a Roflwaffle fan.
Everyday's a good day to be a Roflwaffle fan, wym
He means present tense@@BushMermaid1394
Rofling my Waffle rn
The Porsche GT3 is actually obtainable in Gran Turismo 3 but with codes. And in the NA version, the Diablo is also obtainable with codes, like you mentioned lol
Even to this day we may also have unused cars in GT7 files that were on the list for the update, history still being repeated over and over.
Ah yes, another topic I'm deeply familiar with, especially the hidden or never released GT6 models.
mercedes-benz clk gtr was also featured in NFS III: Hot Pursuit, 1 year prior to NFS: High Stakes
So, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Japan & Korea have had a rocky relationship for many, many years. What this means, is that you seldom see Korean cars running around in Japan; and from what I've seen in Gran Turismo the past 25+ years, is that Polyphony Digital (a Japanese company), has seldom featured Korean cars in their games.
Of course, older titles gave us the Accent Rally Car; and later GT games gave us the Tiburon and a few other Korean cars. But it is no small coincidence that Gran Turismo has featured numerous cars from every other major automaker; but not from Kia & Hyundai.
As Korea does produce some pretty AWESOME cars these days, I hope the attitudes towards Korean cars will change amongst Polyphony Digital in the years to come.
Which is also interesting because GT4 is the only way I found out about the Spirra.
Lol, GT4 introduced me to Hyundai .
The Dome would be a great entry into the list of suprisingly quirky racecars featured in GT, like the Esperante or the Vertigo.
There's quite an interesting amount of tracks as well that have been cut from the GT series, like the many PS2/1/Portable tracks found within GT5.
7:35 fast forward to today and news headlines say a sub-GR86, possibly the S-FR or based on the S-FR is in actual development to go against the MX5/Miata apparently.
When I was a little kid growing, I our neighbor had kids that were around the same age that I was (7 to 8 years old) and one of them was "slow" and every time he came over to our house, he would chew on the hotwheels and matchbox cars that we had.
They were all chewed up!
17:35
Somewhat rushed development but still has one of the most impressive car lists in any Gran Turismo titles!
So many cars and even tracks never returned afterwards…
Love Gran Turismo 2!
For sure, the Dome's drivers were driving another Le Mans car already in game. To find out which one it was, not only the sound of the car could be helpful (even if it wasn't very accurate back in time), but maybe (maybe) even the rpm showed on the rev counter could be a clue
It might have been the Pescarolo-Courage - Judd GV5 '04... it's featured in GT5 and uses the same engine as the Dome (or rather, the Dome uses the same Judd engine)
Bro really made a SlapShoes1 video in the middle of his GT5 section. Goated
the Hyundai N24 VGT was also drivable at the New York Auto Show at the Javits Center, I believe that same year-
they had a booth & cockpit setup on the main floor, where people could queue up to drive it-it was a time trial around one of the Matterhorn layouts, and oddly on Sports tyres, as opposed to proper racing ones
I remember trying it, taking a couple photos, and posting about it at the time
but I think those accounts are lost by now, I'll have to dig a bit
we NEED a “The Many SECRET FEATURES of Gran Turismo” at some point
"if we going to talk about car that are rumoured or only mentioned in text, then we would be here all day"
Mr waffle, I got all day
I assume it's well known but GT Concept has a number of leftover tracks from GT3 within the games files. This includes the likes of SSR11, Monaco and Test Course.
Monaco was retooled for some GT Concept demos, such as the 350Z demos.
Also, you forgot to mention that the Porsche 911 GT3 996, along with its successor, the 997, was first seen ahead of the update as drivable cars during the Nations Cup segment of the 2018 Gran Turismo World Tour at Red Bull Hangar-7 in Austria. Surprised you didn't mention that part, considering that it was a huge deal among people who originally watched the livestream.
23:55 THANK YOU I’m so tired of on any post of a CLK GTR a bunch of comments about “it makes it good airplane too!!!! That thing really flies!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣”
In Gt sport, there are 3 cars that i found out about a while back.
First: "Mazda Roadster S N200 (Tuned)" (Images of this variant can be seen in some pre-release videos and screenshots of the game)
Second: "Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Final Edition N300" (It has an unused thumbnail that was used for the mission challenge in early stages, i think)
Third: Now this one's interesting. It's a "Volkswagen Golf VII GTI" with rally modifications. It even has a render showing it off, but never made it into the final game
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One of the speculations why Lancia Stratos were cut from GT3 is the visual glitch which can be seen in this footage.
Front tires is breaking through front fenders.
5:52 _chokes and spits out honey and peppermint tea_
I wish they had added some of Dome's 90s unicorns in these games such as the Zero or the Caspita.
8:04 wait what? Grab Turismo on triples? Wtf! That has to be a PC build!!!
Good to see you again Roth. Glad to see you are well and still making informative content. Take care, be well, and stay awesome! -Medic out!
I feel like the Cut VW Polo has the Mona Lisa effect, if it hadn't been cut it would not have been interesting
I think it would be interesting to have a video about the history of drag racing/zero-yon in Gran Turismo, if only there's enough information on the subject to make a meaningful video.
Would be cool. Knowing GT2 had drag planned yet GT4 has the Las Vegas Strip, Sega GT Dreamcast had it which being a GT1 or 2 competitor was interesting.
Forza Motorsport 3 or 4 among other games had it always was interesting seeing how they presented drag racing. Not an area I know enough about but would be curious.
Then again a comparison of oh PS2 racers or Xbox racers would be a fair dive as well.
Or locations in racing games.
Just seeing the 4 different ways the Nurburgring was done in PGR2, GT4, Forza Motorsport and Enthusia in a Digital Foundry video was like wow whether the time they got photos or thought it would suit the look of the track it is cool.
Or PGR city layouts or other tracks just being fun to drive on. Original tracks in games not real locations.
In GT4 or 5 the text files showed they had internally tested top fuel and funny car dragster cars 😢
As I started watching NASCAR as a rugrat around 2009 and 2010, I do have a lot of nostalgia for the COT but I must admit that the huge GT style wings were definitely a low point for the cup series
Those time trials in arcade mode in Gran Turismo three A-Spec, back in the day:
I beat the developer times so many times the only names on the record, were my own !!!
Complex string is a course I wish would have stayed in Gran Turismo for the long run, it was such a fun course!!
You are missing 2 additional hidden VGT cars which were shown on the website but never made it to GTSport. A modified VW VGT for the Gr.B class featuring foglights, raised suspension and other racing bits.
Also the ISO Rivolta Zagato with an additional huge GT wing attatched, propbably intended for the Gr.3 class, again, shown on the website but never released in that config.
These were fully 3D models clearly rendered in the GTSport engine.
Could have included the VGT's advertised in GT6 and (much) later added too... like the Lamborghini VGT.
honestly my best guess for what the dome clip's actual car was would probably be the audi 8 or r15 (I can't remember what they called it). Either that or the peugot from the same era. that engine sound is very disticntly a turbo diesel to me, which would also explain the spin you showed one of the drivers have early in the clips, since the torque comes on way earlier in the powerband. I know personally from playing forza motorsport 4 that both of those cars had odd lines at le mans and were easy to spin being diesels (I know that's not the best comparison since different handling models, but driving characteristics usually stay similar between cars). The audi especially liked to turn in way quicker than you'd expect, and one of the drivers nearly hits the inside wall going into the first chicane in one of the clips. To me though, the thing that seals it is the acceleration mixed with the lower engine notes. Both the audi and peugot had fairly low rev limiters, only around 3500 rpm, but both cars accelerated very quickly, even for high level racing standards, and seeing how quickly they were able to go on the mulsanne from 200 to 300, it really makes me think it would be the audi.
44:51 if I have to guess, I'm sure it was the GT-ONE that was driven in the le-mans
The only reason I say this is because the GT-ONE front body resembles A LOT with S-102
Your next video should be 'Hidden Racetracks of GT' 😁
BTW, I remember maybe around 8 years ago on some obscure website, someone managed to find evidence of Gunsai Touge in GT4 files or something, or maybe from the devkits, it was a long time ago and I did save the images on my old computer, but that was fried from a lightning strike a while back... :(
I know it may sound like utter bs, but I think it's worth looking into, it was also on the same site page they found evidence that Vemac was meant to be in the game somehow.
Again this was all 8+ years ago so my memory is not perfect, but I really hope I wasnt seeing things.
Its not a secret car, but more rather a paintjob. On GT Sport but if you won a audi r18 on a ticket, i got it once with the livery with dirt marks, like at the end of the 24 hours of le mans.
The largest GT secret for me is, why they never feature the Suzuki Swift Sport ZC32S. In GT5/6, there even is the original ZC31S and the facelift. In GT7, they just feature the facelifted ZC31S and the ZC33S. I don't know if the ZC32S is even featured in any video game at all. Never found it.
Another thing to mention is, how in GT5 & 6 theres both '05 and' 07 model years for the ZC31S Swift Sport, despite having no apparent differences (akin to the EA11R and 21R Cappuccinos, but even then, in GT6, the EA21R has different looking areo/bodykits, most notably, a bumper similar to the one found in the Initial D series, instead of reusing the 11R parts like GT5 did)
these video uploads are how i know 2 weeks have passed
2:44 : Forza Horizon 5 have these brands today.
In an early trailer for GT PSP there was a Peugeot 908 Hdi with the Pescarolo livery, it was never featured in the game or any games since. The car itself, yes of course, but never in that livery. I sadly cannot provide any more information. I was a big fan of the car at the time so it was easyly recognised by me.
You forget to mention one of the series top mystery cars - Subaru IMPREZA Rally Car '99 Premium model.
For the first time I have saw it on the GT HD press disc (yeah, there were cd’s with only press materials even for demos like GT HD). It was on two screenshots. I was curious back then and launched GT HD but it wasn’t there. It wasn’t in any Gran Turismo game really.
It’s a really mystery that fully detailed premium model have never appeared in GT HD, GT5, GT6 or even GT7. But GT5 and GT6 have the same ‘99 rally Impreza but only Standard version. It was so poorly detailed in GT6 by the way. Looks like game developers never tried to make it look better for GT6.
Anyway, they just fully modelled this Impreza in premium for GT HD, showed it on a few videos and screenshots and then just throw it away completely from the serious. I am very curious, what should went so wrong so they decided to cut this car entirely without a chance to come back later. 😢
Funny thing is, if you look at the front of the Toyota SF-R, it sorta looks like the Daihatsu Copen GR-SPORT trim. Maybe GR took inspiration from the SF-R? Just something that hit me once i saw the yellow boi
It's a shame that we didn't get the GT3 in GT3.
I remember when i had gt5 on ps3 and got a flashdrive and used a wizard to open and use some of the game files containing those secret cars. My ps3 soon broke after i started playing old Cod's online like b02 and ghosts. Would really enjoy getting the chance to play with it again.
Just saying - the boring cars missing ARE a problem! I wanna race something trash and make it good! Off road prius mod for humor! Let me have it! XD
Hallo. Regarding the sound of the "Dome" in the best MOTOring clip i listened carefully many times with the full volume of my setup. My conclusion is tnat the sound file used is one from the previous games that is meant to simulate an M series Mercedes V8. Of course since it was a special build they could have done whatever changes they wanted but when it comes to GT4 GT PSP GT5 & GT6 *None of the LMPs ever used that engine sound* . So with that said my best guess is that it was a modified file of the 2002 SL 55 AMG.
GT3 race? Use the Audi RS5 Turbo DTM car.
800 PP limit race? Use the FAP and take it down to 800. Win every race. Drinks almost no fuel.
As a new GT player, this is something I never knew was a thing and now I do, thank you sir Roflwaffle
17:59 Pretty good pronunciation of Mäkinen right there. Sounded pretty fluent. Tommi had an extra 'h' when you said the 'T' but that's a minor detail. Trying to pronounce anything Finnish can be very difficult, so I just had to compliment you for that.
There was a VGT that was from Volvo that came to any of the games even today. Im gonna be honest that VGT is really beautiful and it's a shame that it never came to life in the games.
Just to let you know, on certain mobile phones (and, as far as I know, it only works on smart phones, as it doesn't work on desktops or laptops or even other mobile devices [trust me, i checked]), there is an option under subtitles to translate non-english spoken videos. Just click the symbol on the upper right screen on your phone, press 'Captions', click 'Auto-translate', then 'English'. I dunno if it works on all smart phones, but it works on my phone. I'll use it in the Best MOTORing Dome video to translate it as best as i can. 🙂
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you had to include this. didnt you?
In the NY auto show I got to drive the Hyundai VGT on a GT6 game wheel, I drove it on Matterhorn Dristelien circuit
"Gran Turismo on the PSP, which was being developed alongside GT5, does contain text data for four generic NASCAR models."
Hmm, the fact that there were four of them makes me wonder if there was originally supposed to be a Dodge, which never had any of their teams represented in GT's NASCAR content despite being the fourth manufacturer in the series at the time, but now that I'm writing this I think there are some other possibilities as to what NASCAR DEMOs Type A-D could be. Those of you who know your NASCAR might have noticed that the E3 2009 trailer only includes Chevrolet and Toyota, no Fords, and the entire pack of cars is made up of different driver/livery/color variations of entries from only four teams. Those being Hendrick, Stewart-Haas, JGR and MWR. Maybe those types A-D are broken down by the real-world team each livery belonged to instead of by manufacturer, but I've got another theory that might be closer to the right answer. There was a short, post-credit trailer scene in Gran Turismo PSP featuring NASCAR that appeared to be from an even earlier stage in development, even though the release of GT PSP was a few months after E3 2009. This trailer showed only four of the skins from the E3 trailer as shown in this video: Jeff Gordon DuPont (2009 version), Jimmie Johnson Lowe's, Tony Stewart Old Spice, and Dale Earnhardt Jr. National Guard. It just makes logical sense for the four NASCAR variations referenced in the code to be the same four that are visible in a trailer that is also in that same game's files.
The NASCAR cut is one that I honestly can't understand, especially when they seem to be pretty much done (and even weirder when on Spec 2.0 they added the '11 cars lol)
Sportscar GT on the PC and PSX was another EA game released around the same time that included the CLK GTR
10:46 thank you for talking about NASCAR and GT 😭 I feel like these cars aren't appreciated as much as they should be.I've made a fire road course set up and I've won every endurance event that I can enter the Stock Cars into in GT5 (minus the two 24s and the Indy 500). GT6 they made the cars terrible for some reason, idk y. I would love to see them come back into GT, especially with the new Next Gen car which is a bit more compatible with road course racing.....or the version even more compatible with road course racing, the G56 entry
The gt6 trailer on the intro gives me childhood flashbacks.
Could it be the Playstation Pescarolo C60 being used as a base for the "Dome S102"? considering they're both powered by the Judd V10 engine.
Man I really want the CLK GTR to be added :/. We have 3 McLaren F1s so I don't see why we shouldn't get the clk gtr at some point
the SFR should have been a roadster with the BRZ/86 drivetrain. what a fantastic run that would be
The CLK-GTR racecar has a V12, while the future CLK-LM and CLR use a twin-turbo V8.
Finally a Content creator that notice the CLK-GTR and CLK-LM misidentification in Gran Turismo!